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Speaker 1: The Crown is yours. Welcome. Welcome in, Jay Stu. You'll

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Speaker 1: love this so as you guys know. And I popped

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Speaker 1: on the show yesterday from the airport. We were in St.

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Speaker 1: Thomas and the Virgin Islands for the last week with

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Speaker 1: my basketball team, and it was I mean when I

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Speaker 1: say the weather was perfect, this is a from somebody

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Speaker 1: who grew up in southern California. It was perfect, warm

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Speaker 1: A little bit human but not no bugs, No, not

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Speaker 1: like perfect. And we're supposed to get like fifty five

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Speaker 1: mile in our wins this afternoon still may happen here

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Speaker 1: and we're digging out the snow today. But such is life.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Gottlieb Show. Good to be back, Good

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Speaker 1: to be with you. Let's talk some sports, shall we.

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Speaker 1: I heard something from Joe Burrow and it's really interesting,

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Speaker 1: Like Joe Burrow today is going to be healed hailed

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Speaker 1: as a hero, right, I mean, just like like you

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Speaker 1: go through the heroes of our lifetime in sports, and

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's going to be listed a month those guys

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Speaker 1: because well, this is what he said. What he was

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Speaker 1: asked about. Are the argument being made the Bengals should

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Speaker 1: not play him tomorrow or the rest of the season

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Speaker 1: because they're out of the playoffs. Here's what Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: I understand why people feel that way, but if you

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Speaker 2: look at it from my perspective, I'm a football player,

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Speaker 2: and if I get hurt, I'm going to go through

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Speaker 2: when I feel like I can go out there and play.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna ever go to somebody and say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm healthy, But no, I don't think. I don't think

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Speaker 2: I should go out there and play. That doesn't make

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Speaker 2: a lot of sense to me. I'm not gonna live

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the idea is that we're somehow making it

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Speaker 1: heroic for Joe Burrow to do his job, which is

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Speaker 1: becase quarterback of the Bengals. And what he's saying is like,

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Speaker 1: I'm a football player. I play football. When there's a

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's a catch twenty two or jaxtaposition, Chase,

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Speaker 1: do you're you can parse by words as as much

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Speaker 1: on one hand, and Jason, I think you like to

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Speaker 1: poke fun at gen Z rightfully so for how they

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Speaker 1: have become just an entitled generation of people. But if

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Speaker 1: you think about it, the people who are asking Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: Those are the same people who are critical of modern

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's kind of a fascinating social experiment here.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I there's lots of things you

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Speaker 1: Everybody that that that uh plays sports understands that the

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Speaker 1: That's what you do. On the other hand, it's our

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Speaker 1: So do I think that Joe Burrow is a heroic figure?

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Speaker 1: Not about heroic, but it's the kind of message that

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow fan. On the other hand, isn't he simply

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Speaker 1: doing his job. It's like the old Chris Rock bit

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Speaker 1: And the root cause of the problem is not gen Z,

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Speaker 4: you know me, I don't. I don't do this lightly.

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Speaker 4: I don't go here often, but I will say this,

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Speaker 4: how much how much does race play into this? How

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Speaker 4: much of the load management is black guys not work

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Speaker 4: play Joe Burrow? Why would you play Joe Burrow? The

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Speaker 1: It hadn't come to my mind at all.

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Speaker 4: I do think, I do think it strikes me this week.

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Speaker 1: Oh I well, I don't. I don't know on on Burrow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, part of Burrow's thing is he has been

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Speaker 1: So it's it's more than just like, well he's never

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Speaker 1: instances NBA players probably catch the most flack for it

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Speaker 1: that there's always going to be a group of people that,

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Speaker 1: My issue with that is I have a blind spot

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Speaker 1: it's there with football, because I think that people believe

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Speaker 1: But it is a tremendous social experiment.

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Speaker 4: And you bring up the that the fact that there

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Speaker 4: we always think that all these people when they get

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Speaker 5: Remember, would you rather being a spot where you can

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Speaker 6: And I'm glad you asked that. When you're talking about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's just it's such a bad narrative.

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Speaker 1: I do think there are people that believe that. I

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Shor Sanders had

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Speaker 1: another time with the media today. Here's what he had

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Speaker 7: All your supporters out, I dare say that that Kevin

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Speaker 7: Stefanski was sabotageing me.

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Speaker 8: So you just want to start trouble.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I know.

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Speaker 9: I want to ask you what your relationship with him?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, what people do outside the building isn't really

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Speaker 8: do whatever. You know, that's that's not nothing I could

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Speaker 10: I could do.

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Speaker 8: But overall, you know, I'm just happy to be here. Stefan.

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Speaker 8: You've been coaching since I got here, and uh, you've

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Speaker 8: been doing a very great job, you know, with everything

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Speaker 9: But what is your relationship like with him? And when

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Speaker 9: we don't see you guys together.

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Speaker 8: Definitely like a coach, you know, he tells me what

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Speaker 11: He's the most powerful black man in sports, no other,

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Speaker 1: Yeah he is, he says grown. He didn't say it

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, they've just been so inconsistent. It's been

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottliebin for Collins to hurt Fox Sports Radio, iHeart

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Speaker 1: Radio app. You and I have also discussed that as

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Speaker 1: a as a play caller, Dan Campbell feels like he

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Speaker 1: calls plays, but he's not an offensive coordinator. Right, this

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Speaker 1: is a play here and play there. It's not as smooth,

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the same rhythm. What did you think of yesterday?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. Like, you know,

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Speaker 10: it's you know, the one thing about Jared Goffin and

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Speaker 10: maybe the entire offense is having. You know, it's interesting

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Speaker 10: you think about it from the defensive standpoint. For an

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Speaker 10: offensive standpoint, right, offensive coordators like three and out didn't

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Speaker 10: work out, We'll just punt. The defensive coordinator sits there

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Speaker 10: and goes, hey, three and it didn't work. It's well,

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Speaker 10: they just scored a touchdown. It's just a completely different

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Speaker 10: way to look for the game, right. I think if

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Speaker 10: you think of at home, you're like, yeah, I've never

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Speaker 10: thought of it that way, like an offen the quarteror

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Speaker 10: like if it doesn't work out, he just punt the

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Speaker 10: ball and try again. It doesn't work out. On defense,

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Speaker 10: you're in trouble and so that's why it makes it hard.

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Speaker 10: And I also think to your point, Doug, like you

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Speaker 10: want to find the rhythm with your quarterback where you're feeling,

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Speaker 10: like we just talked about with little flu or feeling

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Speaker 10: the emotions of the game, or feeling the offensive guy

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Speaker 10: that he spends the entire time on. You know that

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Speaker 10: this is what I feel like is the right direction.

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Speaker 10: Detroit misses that a little bit. Certainly, Ben Johnson's done

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Speaker 10: a great job in Chicago put the Bears where they are,

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Speaker 10: but this is a coordinator that they desperately lost and

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Speaker 10: desperately miss.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to the nightcap. Let's start in the negative.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with Lamar Jackson?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I just I feel like he's just missing grows

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Speaker 10: and I know that we're all watching it unfold, but

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Speaker 10: just the lack of like the locked in or the

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Speaker 10: decision making, and he just looked like he was, you know,

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Speaker 10: rushing himself and then quickly explicting the ball out and

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Speaker 10: trying to make a play, and just it's affected his accuracy.

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Speaker 10: And I don't think it was the weather at all.

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Speaker 10: This has been something we've seen with Lamars not processing

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Speaker 10: very well for him, and therefore you know he's looking

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Speaker 10: arrent and then his accuracy's really off almost back to

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Speaker 10: like his rookie campaign, kind of a feeling where what's

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Speaker 10: going on with this guy? So I don't have a

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Speaker 10: great answer for why Lamar Jackson feels like he's regressed

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Speaker 10: based off what he's been able to do in the past.

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Speaker 10: But I would say that the main thing is that

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Speaker 10: I feel like he's rushing as you're watching on the field,

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Speaker 10: like he's like someone's in this year saying you got

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Speaker 10: to make the decision, hurry and.

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Speaker 3: Make a decision.

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Speaker 10: And because of that, I think he's throwing the ball,

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Speaker 10: you know, early, and it's throwing off his accuracy.

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Speaker 1: I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they

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Speaker 1: thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense,

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Speaker 1: and my thought was, like, you want MVP with that offense.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's what it was. But

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Speaker 1: you know, you're bringing Monk in and it's a passing

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Speaker 1: based offense. He still runs, but it's more, Hey, now

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Speaker 1: he's been the league. Now he's a better Now he's

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Speaker 1: a better passer, not just a thrower. And I again,

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Speaker 1: and their defense isn't you know when they were when

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Speaker 1: they were failing in the playoffs previously, the defense was awesome,

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Speaker 1: and the offense, you know, was allowed to to just

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Speaker 1: run the football and to be conservative occasionally take a shot.

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Speaker 1: Is it too much for him to carry the team

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Speaker 1: as a passer.

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Speaker 10: It feels like it right now, right. I mean, Mike

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Speaker 10: McDonald ottis is a great defensive corder, has done a

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Speaker 10: great job as the head coach down Seattle and getting

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Speaker 10: them in position of the postseason, and they missed that

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Speaker 10: he was, you know, he's brilliantly smart, and so they

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Speaker 10: missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe the

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Speaker 10: town's not to the level we've seen the Ravens before,

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Speaker 10: but they were technically on top of everything offensively. The

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Speaker 10: frustrating thing for me when I watched the Ravens, and

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Speaker 10: I'm sure Ravens says too, they could have run the

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Speaker 10: ball last night like they were running the ball perfectly fine.

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Speaker 10: They just couldn't stick with it. But you know, if

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Speaker 10: they can just find a way to get back to

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Speaker 10: Derrick Henry and giving him the ball twenty plus times

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Speaker 10: a game, I think that even if they fall behind

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Speaker 10: ten or twelve or thirteen points, I think you still

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Speaker 10: want to focus on Dereck Henry getting the ball because

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Speaker 10: that to me, is your ticket to finding a way

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Speaker 10: to still win the North, which again is wide open,

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Speaker 10: and even the Bengals, as hard as it's to imagine,

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Speaker 10: and so late, you're only a few games out now,

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Speaker 10: you know, and I know we don't have a lot

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Speaker 10: of games left, but you know it might be nine

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Speaker 10: and eight or eight and nine could win that division,

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Speaker 10: which before the season started, Doug, I would have never

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Speaker 10: dreamt that with those three teams Pittsburgh obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati,

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Speaker 10: I would have never dreamt it would have been that

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Speaker 10: kind of an outcome before the seasons ended up right.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a football fan.

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Speaker 1: You love what Joe Burrows said. And here's here's kind

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Speaker 1: of my takeaway. Mark, just stick with me. Let me

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Speaker 1: kind of explain it. Were so critical of athletes when

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Speaker 1: it's load management or when they shut it down, you know,

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Speaker 1: late in the college football season, late in the NFL season,

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Speaker 1: and yet our generation, you and I were kind of

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Speaker 1: the ones that came up with this idea of load

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Speaker 1: management or protecting the asset that that is the player

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Speaker 1: in college, in the pros or whatever. So if anything,

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Speaker 1: we got to be self critical and understand that you know,

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Speaker 1: gen X is being critical of gen Z for an

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Speaker 1: idea for an idea and a plan that is really

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Speaker 1: a gen X plan. That being that being said, what

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Speaker 1: does it say What does Joe Burrow playing despite the

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Speaker 1: very very slight chance of making the playoffs say about

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Speaker 1: Burrow and and how we view him.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, if you I'm sure as we watched

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Speaker 10: the game last night, we saw the injury history of

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Speaker 10: Joe Burrow and it's it's something that I've talked about

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Speaker 10: multiple times over the years that that's just a sad

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Speaker 10: fact of his career, whether it was in college or

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Speaker 10: now in the NFL, that he gets banged up a lot.

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Speaker 10: And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that

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Speaker 10: he can be out there with the guys, and he

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Speaker 10: understands every year can be magical and special and you

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Speaker 10: just don't know how it's longer you get to play

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Speaker 10: this game. It can be taken away from you in

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Speaker 10: a blink. And so I love that that he decided

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Speaker 10: that he wanted to be out there. And I think

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Speaker 10: it also because the Bengals were mathematically still alive, that

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Speaker 10: you put him back out there and say, hey, well,

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Speaker 10: let's let's see what we can do and see what

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Speaker 10: we're kind of spark we can give the team. And

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Speaker 10: even though we started a little slow, he's certainly you know,

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Speaker 10: sped up and really kind of you know, looked like

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Speaker 10: the Joe Burrow that you know, could have been the

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Speaker 10: that you know, when's the division we'll see. I mean again,

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Speaker 10: we've got only a few We got enough games left

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Speaker 10: where you could say, yeah, it would be bizarre, but

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Speaker 10: you know, they play each other, They've got to play

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Speaker 10: out the components. You know, nothing's pulling apart for any

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Speaker 10: team right now.

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Speaker 3: In the North.

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Speaker 10: It's a stretch. But it was fun to watch him

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Speaker 10: be out there and show that you know, as a leader,

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Speaker 10: he's gonna if he can be there, he'll be there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, help me out, I need the absolute neutral former

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Speaker 1: gentle manager, former player personnel guy, your opinion on Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 1: How did he play in his first week as a starter?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 10: You know, I you know you got to give him

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Speaker 10: credit for at least you know, I know, you make

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Speaker 10: the half back pass and you know you got to

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Speaker 10: let the running backs. You know, Scamper's in for a

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Speaker 10: long touchdown and so he gets the stats for that,

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Speaker 10: but he still has to get the ball in his

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Speaker 10: hand to put in the right spot. You know, he

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Speaker 10: made the one throw down the field, but overall, I

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Speaker 10: still felt like the game was uber fast for him.

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Speaker 10: I don't feel like it's and I would have him

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Speaker 10: the start of this week. I would. I would at

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Speaker 10: three or four starts unless he fails desperately or terribly,

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Speaker 10: I should say, you know, I would go ahead and

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Speaker 10: get a sense because really, where the Browns sit as

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Speaker 10: an organization is who's the number two? Is Biling going

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Speaker 10: to be the number two? Is shoud Door good enough

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Speaker 10: to be a number two? Let's figure that out, because

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Speaker 10: there's really no number one on this roster. I don't

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Speaker 10: think it's either one of these guys based off of

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Speaker 10: what I've seen from both of them this year. But

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Speaker 10: I would like to see more should do. But I

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Speaker 10: don't think it's going to get better, honestly, Doug. I

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Speaker 10: just and I'm not a hater on Shaduur or anything

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Speaker 10: like that, I just feel like the process sings too

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Speaker 10: fast for him and he doesn't process it's fast enough.

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Speaker 10: And like what he was able to do in Colorado,

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Speaker 10: where the system was really quick, you get the ball out.

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Speaker 10: Now things are everything's moving so much faster. I think

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Speaker 10: it's hard for him.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that improves with experience?

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Speaker 10: Usually it can because the games of quote unquote slows

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Speaker 10: down for young players, But to me, the style of play.

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Speaker 10: This is why Shouduor dropped because a lot of people

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Speaker 10: worried about the system he played in Colorado that was

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Speaker 10: so quarterback friendly for him specifically, that can that trans

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Speaker 10: laid over. So a lot of people are like, I

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Speaker 10: don't know what you know. I thought he was a

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Speaker 10: first round pick. Well, a lot of scouts went in

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Speaker 10: there and go, you know, I don't know about this

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Speaker 10: office is what we're going to run in the NFL,

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Speaker 10: And so therefore do I feel like he's got the

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Speaker 10: same tools I can get him to where he needs

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Speaker 10: to go to the next level, and a lot of

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Speaker 10: clips that I don't think so, you know, and obviously

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Speaker 10: the other things around you. To her, he's tried to

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Speaker 10: handle those the best he can. But I think when

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Speaker 10: you watch it, yes, you're supposed to give him more time,

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Speaker 10: but to me, I still think you're going to see

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Speaker 10: a lot of interceptions over the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, same question with JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 10: I think it's fair, and I think the same thing

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Speaker 10: is very frustrated for JJ also is that you feel

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Speaker 10: like he should be able to do it and be

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Speaker 10: more of a consistent player, you know, one through four quarters,

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Speaker 10: and not be spurty. And I think that the same

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Speaker 10: thing though, is no matter what I played JJ the

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Speaker 10: rest of the year, as long as he can be

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Speaker 10: on the football field to find out exactly what I have.

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Speaker 10: But I got to understand that as an organization, I

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Speaker 10: don't have to be married to him. As much as

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Speaker 10: that sounds crazy, he's only two years in and this

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Speaker 10: is really only his first year.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 10: The one mistake you can do is say, well, we'll

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Speaker 10: just give him one more year and so we can

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Speaker 10: get just figured out if the Vikings are in a

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Speaker 10: position where they could draft another quarterback and say, hey,

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Speaker 10: look we're going to make a competition, but we've got

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Speaker 10: to find that guy. That's what you have to do,

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Speaker 10: because in the end, we all know that that's really

648
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Speaker 10: what matters the most, is who's pulling the trigger on

649
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Speaker 10: your football team at that position. If that means you

650
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Speaker 10: have to go back to the well again, go back

651
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Speaker 10: to the well. Look at Chris Ballard. He's done it

652
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Speaker 10: basically every year as a coach GM. He's had a

653
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Speaker 10: different starter out there, and now he may have found

654
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Speaker 10: the right one at Daniel Jones for a while.

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Speaker 1: Mark you the best man. I love your analysis, obviously,

656
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Speaker 1: I respect all the experience you have and I hope

657
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Speaker 1: you had a great Thanksgiving with the family. Enjoyed this weekend.

658
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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week on my show. In

659
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Speaker 1: the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest in

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Speaker 1: the hurt.

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me on. Like Happy Thanksgiving brother.

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Speaker 1: Did you skate?

672
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Speaker 14: You came from a cold place.

673
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Speaker 13: You would think I don't know how to skate In

674
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Speaker 13: any way, like no rollerblade, no, no, no. I remember

675
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Speaker 13: taking so the parks in our town. They would take

676
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Speaker 13: the ball diamonds and you'd put a skating rink on

677
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Speaker 13: a little warming house and I remember sliding with my

678
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Speaker 13: moon boots on that when I was a kid. I

679
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Speaker 13: have a big family, but my aunt and uncle that

680
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Speaker 13: we would visit the most. They have a creek running

681
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Speaker 13: through their backyard out in the country and that would

682
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Speaker 13: freeze over skate. But I never learned first going down, sliding, falling, yes, sledding, snowmobiling,

683
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Speaker 13: the whole deal. But I never really learned to skate.

684
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Speaker 13: I'd like to pick it up, though, and I know

685
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Speaker 13: how learned to skate USA exactly. Hit Monty up at

686
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Speaker 13: Monte Bologos. You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. College.

687
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Speaker 13: Hoops a topic of conversation, it always is during Thanksgiving

688
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Speaker 13: weeks holiday tournament. Doug Gottlieb was fresh off of a

689
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Speaker 13: tournament at the US Virgin Islands as Green Bay took fourth,

690
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Speaker 13: went to and one during those games over the weekend.

691
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Speaker 13: Doug's gonna join us from the Islands in a bit,

692
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Speaker 13: Doug Gottlieb show, Fox Sports Radio. She's Monty Bolanos. I'm

693
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Speaker 13: Dan Byer joining us now, fresh off of a fourth

694
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Speaker 13: place finish at the Paradise Jam on the US Virgin Islands.

695
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Speaker 13: He's the head coach of the Green Bay Phoenix and

696
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Speaker 13: the host of this show. Doug Gottlieb joining us here.

697
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Speaker 13: So when one coach job well.

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Speaker 3: Done, I mean I'm getting goosnest here and thinking about it,

699
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, what what people who don't know

700
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: our sport don't understand is like it's kind of career.

701
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: It was like schedule aside what I what I did

702
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: to start to hear rights at Minnesota, at Buffalo, at

703
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Speaker 3: Saint Thomas, and then to this tournament where we were

704
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: far away to the lowest rated team last year and

705
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Speaker 3: going into this year. So to win too, you know,

706
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Speaker 3: against and to play as well as we played against

707
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Speaker 3: Yale in the first game, who won the tournament. It

708
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Speaker 3: was just awesome. And then you know, we were able

709
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Speaker 3: to do so with our leading scorer Marcos Slho rolled

710
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Speaker 3: his ankle at the end of the Yale game, so

711
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: he didn't play in the two wins. And you know

712
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Speaker 3: the difference in this year's team and last year's team,

713
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Speaker 3: as you know, Dan. Last year we lost the nation's

714
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: lean scorer, Anthony Roy, and we just kind of collapsed

715
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: for about a month before we figured it out. And

716
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: you know, this year we've you know, we have I

717
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: got a little bit more talent and just now and

718
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Speaker 3: came off the bench and gave us twenty seven to

719
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Speaker 3: twenty eight back to back nights, and the guys, guys

720
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Speaker 3: just fought is really really fought. And it was a big,

721
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 3: big week for us in terms of like team bonding

722
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Speaker 3: and then figuring ourselves out. So yeah, thanks, thanks for

723
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Speaker 3: the congratulations.

724
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think that. I think it's great. You talked

725
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Speaker 13: so much last year. Are you maybe overscheduled and this

726
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 13: year you were going to be conscious of it? Has

727
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Speaker 13: that worked out so far? Because I mean this tournament,

728
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Speaker 13: you're facing an IONA team that's picked top half of

729
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Speaker 13: Metro Atlantic. You've got UMass in them, an American they're

730
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Speaker 13: considered a top half program and in that league. In

731
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Speaker 13: the preseason, Paul, you just mentioned Yale their pick to

732
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Speaker 13: win the IVY League. Was this kind of what you

733
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Speaker 13: had in mind in terms of comparing the last year

734
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Speaker 13: when you were playing all those big, big teams.

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Speaker 3: No, No, this year's actually this year's actually worse, but

736
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Speaker 3: now it gets it only gets better now because we

737
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 3: have the game spaced out. You know, last year they

738
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Speaker 3: were just like kind of earlier. This year kind of

739
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: stacked on you. It's hard to get them all in.

740
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Speaker 3: But you know now what we play halfo any nations

741
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Speaker 3: with a nine dy one. It's a big game for

742
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Speaker 3: us with with the folks that are night of sponsoring it.

743
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Speaker 3: That's Saturday, and then we open up conference play a

744
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Speaker 3: week from Thursday, so we have like spit because you know,

745
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: like they get worn down, and also you have to

746
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Speaker 3: kind of and once you figure your team out, Okay,

747
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: this is what defense they plays, this is what offense,

748
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 3: this is what the rotation or you know, so you

749
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: need some practice time and we just didn't have it

750
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: last year, and we were traveling so far across the country.

751
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Speaker 3: So we this year we're able to condense the travel

752
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 3: Saint Thomas and Minnesota one trip, you know this three

753
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Speaker 3: games one trip, so it was it was less taxing.

754
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Speaker 3: But the level of competition is actually higher this year.

755
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: Santa Barbara coming up still, Campbell coming up still. But

756
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Speaker 3: the good thing is we have some space between games

757
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 3: and then next year we'll we'll still play a good

758
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Speaker 3: group of mid and high majors, and then we'll have

759
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Speaker 3: you know, some more teams at our level home and

760
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Speaker 3: road that we can play. We just you know, you

761
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: absorb some of the previous and that it's actually two

762
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 3: staffs to go schedule and then last staff and it's

763
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Speaker 3: it's honestly, Dan, it's like when you're taking over being

764
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Speaker 3: a contractor for how that's had like two other contractors,

765
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: You're like, why they did this. It made sense to

766
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Speaker 3: them at the time, but doesn't make sense what you

767
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: want to do. So this year we were able to

768
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Speaker 3: space out some of the games, especially moving forward, and

769
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Speaker 3: then next year we're we're going to try and space

770
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Speaker 3: them out and thence to travel and play a little

771
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: bit more appropriate level opponents for half of the non conference.

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Speaker 13: And I don't want the question to be posed in

773
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Speaker 13: a certain way because the whole nobody you crap last

774
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 13: year was just completely it was wrong because it wasn't

775
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Speaker 13: You weren't talking about Michigan Tech in that conversation. My

776
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Speaker 13: point with the schools that you played in the Paradise

777
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Speaker 13: Jam or that these aren't bottom feed er schools from

778
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Speaker 13: the worst conferences of college basketball, that these are legitimate programs.

779
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Speaker 13: I mean, we know, UMass, we know Frank Martin, but

780
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Speaker 13: that is more of I was wondering if that is

781
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Speaker 13: more of like a test for you guys at this

782
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 13: point of your program tenure, that were these schools more

783
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Speaker 13: appropriate to find out where green right now, That's kind

784
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Speaker 13: of my question and my point.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, you know, Buffalo is undefeated in the MAC,

786
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Speaker 3: and we felt like we had a good shot to

787
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Speaker 3: beat them. I didn't play just Tallens that game because

788
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 3: he was not yet, not yet where we wanted to

789
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Speaker 3: be defensively. So maybe maybe I'm an idiot in that sense,

790
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean I really you messed Dan. I

791
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: mean you watched all of our games.

792
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 13: Why do we get beat defense.

793
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: Outside of defense rebounding turnovers?

794
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Speaker 13: Right yeah?

795
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Speaker 1: And so.

796
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Speaker 3: You know again I think you mess out rebounded us,

797
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: but they're a phenomenal rebounding team. But we were right there.

798
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 3: We we didn't turn the ball over against them five

799
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: turnovers last night, won the rebounding battle. Last night, we

800
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: won the rebounding battle against Yale. So you know, like

801
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: when you're well, you can't just go by results. The

802
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: process of getting better defensively getting better on the boards,

803
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: getting more secure with the basketball. All it's all there,

804
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 3: and then we just we've thrown some in to win

805
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: some of these games. But the bigger point in terms

806
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: of tests you mess, I mean, Frank Martins team's play

807
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: hard and physical, and last year's team probably would have

808
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: wilted at some point under the pressure. This team did not.

809
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: And then you know, I ownA plays a really really

810
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: electric offensive style and we fell fell behind early like

811
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Speaker 3: nine to nothing, not playing well, and then fell behind

812
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: again started second half. Last year's team would have wilted.

813
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 3: This year's team did not. So I think that's where

814
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: the growth is, regardless of quality of opponents. Yeah, those

815
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: are good teams. They're frankly above our level in really

816
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: in good major leagues. Weren't a good major major league,

817
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: but you know we were. We were picked three hundred

818
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: and twentieth in the country. So right now we're playing

819
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: better than that. But we'll see if we can keep

820
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 3: it going.

821
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Speaker 13: All right, Edo Jason Stewart wants in, but I've got

822
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 13: one more and I'm just curious on how much it's

823
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 13: you take over the program in May of twenty twenty four,

824
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 13: so just of having that extra two months, having that

825
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 13: extra time to prepare the season. How different has that

826
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 13: been to be able to have like a full basically

827
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 13: a full year, to have your fingerprints on it.

828
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 3: Oh, it's totally different. I mean my staff is different.

829
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: And again it's not like to take shots at players

830
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: of the past or staff in the past, but like,

831
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: what works for me is different than I thought. What

832
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: works for Green Green Bay is a little bit different

833
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 3: than I thought. And then you have to really judge

834
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: the landscape and you know, you kind of got to

835
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: get a feel for who can play for you and

836
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: what you need and all those things. So and we're

837
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: still not perfect. We missed. We missed on some kids

838
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 3: in recruiting that either playing well elsewhere that we passed

839
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 3: on or we didn't you know, we didn't go hard

840
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: enough on some of the kids. There's a couple of

841
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: ours that are not yet bought into what we want.

842
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: And but yeah, better, I mean, you know, I'm not

843
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: an idiot, Like I know that you need experience and

844
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: that it was it was gonna be hard with the experience.

845
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: And then it's not just that it was in May,

846
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: but it was you know, Sunday and Swix did a

847
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: great job, but he was only there for you know,

848
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: thirteen months. You know, so again like you're coming in

849
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: and you're cleaning up messes. And last year we were

850
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: on academic probation and you know, everything that could go

851
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: wrong went wrong. So yeah, I feel much more confident

852
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: and competent. And you know, I'm bummed that I didn't

853
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: get to do the show while we're in the Virgin Islands.

854
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: But you know, you get all these things, like you

855
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: it does give you a chance to reflect and take

856
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: a snapshot of it. And it's really interesting, you know,

857
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: because you know, some other players and other coaches come

858
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: up like, hey, I actually listen to your show. You're

859
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 3: not doing it this week. Like, no, the games at

860
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: the same time as my show doesn't work. So the

861
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: whole thing is better and it feels more comfortable. And yeah,

862
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: I mean the ext it's not just the extra two months.

863
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: It's when you coach in college basketball. You have a

864
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: better feel for the portal, You got a better feel

865
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: for the fishy and you got a better field for schedule,

866
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: get a better feel for staff, your own players, how

867
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: it all works, you know. And also I haven't been

868
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: doing it for forty years, so I'm not annoyed by

869
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: little things like all these things are new and fun

870
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: to me, So that part helps too. That and I look,

871
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: we were bad. You know, I took a beating in

872
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: the media. I'm still going to take a beating every

873
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: time we lose. You know. I don't know how good

874
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: we are ultimately. But that was different than I thought

875
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: it would be, and it affected my players more than

876
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: I thought it would affect them. But I also think

877
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: that the ones that came back, part of it is

878
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 3: they came back because they want to prove everybody wrong,

879
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: and we use that to kind of fuel them as well.

880
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 4: I think the one thing that I am in charge

881
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: of around here is I have my finger on the

882
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: pulse of social media. I am a good rip barometer

883
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 4: for the social media reaction to you and you and

884
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: your team. And I've noticed a couple of things over

885
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 4: the last couple of days. One of two things really quiet,

886
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 4: really quiet on the negative front. And then I've seen

887
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: a lot of compliments. And I'm gonna say this because

888
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: you can't so all those jerks that were quick to

889
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 4: kick Doug Gottlieb and the teeth a year ago, I

890
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 4: need you to go on to your social media now

891
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 4: and give credit when credits due. I know it's only

892
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 4: the first month of the season. I know it's only

893
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 4: three wins, but you can't kick him in the teeth

894
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: for an entire season without being like, you know what,

895
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: maybe I was wrong about this guy. That's what I'm

896
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 4: looking for, Doug. I know you can't say it, but

897
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: that's what I'm looking for. You deserve that.

898
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 3: I agree. Guys, been doing all shore radio all the time.

899
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 13: We've done a little. Yeah, we've done a little.

900
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 3: Listen. I appreciate. I appreciate Jason. I would just say that,

901
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 3: like again, you know, nobody's when I do in victory

902
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: laps over you know, winning two games in the Constellation backet.

903
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: We I know my coaches have really really helped me,

904
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: and I've gotten better. I believe we're really well coached

905
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: and well prepared, and I think our players are better

906
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 3: collectively better. I know there's you know who knows. I

907
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 3: think our league is really good. I think it's gonna

908
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 3: be hard, but it's a lot like the Shador thing, right, like, hey,

909
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: just one game the best of the best. It's how

910
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: much can you how often can you do it? How consistently.

911
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: Can you do it? And the only way to shut

912
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: people up is to just keep a keep at it

913
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: and keep doing your job. And you know you can't

914
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: control what other people think of what you're doing.

915
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 15: Hey, Doug, a quick question for actually just sort of

916
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 15: a general.

917
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: No without playing Iowa, well, I saw.

918
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 15: That on the schedule. Maybe someday in the future that

919
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 15: would be nice. But how about this the Holy Trinity

920
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 15: of experiences from the cribbing your first time down there?

921
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 13: Can you give me one food takeaway?

922
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 15: One's just sort of island takeaway of your experience in

923
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 15: the Caribbean, first time in the Caribbean, And did you

924
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 15: have a carib beer?

925
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: I did not have a curb beer, although I'm at

926
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: the airport bar. I might I mean, do I need

927
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: to I take a suggestion?

928
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 15: We were just it's just it's just to say you

929
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 15: did so. It's it's nothing special, but just just as

930
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 15: curious about I saw your I saw like maybe the

931
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 15: foyer or whatever it is to your hotel. It looked

932
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 15: so gorgeous, like, look, tell us about that Western.

933
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: We stayed the Western, and I think it had been

934
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: redone because I think one of the hurricanes hit it

935
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 3: my brother last time he coached here. He said, you know,

936
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 3: hurricane and hid and so they didn't stay there or whatever.

937
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: It was spectacular. We never left the property except for

938
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: practice and games. We didn't need to, so I have

939
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: no real experience at the same Thomas, other than the

940
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 3: beach was amazing, the weather was perfect, that people are nice,

941
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: and everybody everybody for now on you when I tell

942
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: you it's five minutes, I'll be home in five minutes.

943
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: Or I'll do in five minutes, and five turns to

944
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 3: seven or ten or twelve. Just so I'm an island times.

945
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: I've learned that island times. I got leave done. I

946
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,479
Speaker 3: feel like the most efficient guy ever down here.

947
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 13: Let's wrap it up. I can hear the announcements being made.

948
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 13: I can't wait to see what's going to happen in

949
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 13: conference play. But job well done on the islands, and

950
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 13: safe travels back here to the mainland.

951
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 3: Thanks, thanks guys. Next time we do the island trip,

952
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 3: that's when we have to do the remote not in Kansas.

953
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 13: Yes, agreed, all right, Safe travels.

954
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 12: Breaking news from Fox Sports.

955
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 5: I Doug.

956
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 13: Hello, breaking news. Let's go straight to the news desk

957
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 13: with Isaac Long Kron.

958
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 16: The NFL has just suspended Carolina Panthers safety Trayvon Merrig

959
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 16: one game without pay for punching San Francisco forty nine

960
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 16: Ers receiver Juwan Jennings in the groin during last night's game.

961
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 4: He does have the right to appeal.

962
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 13: I'm calling it package gate. I don't know what you

963
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 13: want to call it. I don't know that's what I'm

964
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 13: going to call this package gate?

965
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 14: Can you explain that for the people who.

966
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 13: May not know what? No, I don't, I don't. I

967
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 13: can only do it after ten PM. I can only

968
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 13: explain it at that point. Mark had a cast as

969
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 13: well when he took the shot to Juwan Jennings. The

970
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 13: question is this is now back to back weeks where

971
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 13: we've had disrespected respect acts on the football field between

972
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 13: opposing players.

973
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 14: Yeah, which is unfortunate because it's you just don't want

974
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 14: to see that. I mean, the spinning thing is one thing,

975
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 14: but I obviously do not know what it.

976
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 13: Is like to be hit there. Sure you know what

977
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 13: I'm saying, but it seems awful. What's worse? Do you think?

978
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 13: Not pain tolerance because spinning the isn't hurt. But what

979
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 13: is worse integrity.

980
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 14: Wise, I feel like a dude doing that to a

981
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 14: dude hurting you in the spot where it hurts. That's

982
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 14: kind of worse because it's like, you know what, you

983
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 14: know how much.

984
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 13: Let's let's ask a dude, Jason Stewart, what's worse spin

985
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 13: on or being hit in the package?

986
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 4: No, I think if you're just doing disrespect and dehumanizing,

987
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 4: I think I think spitting is close to the top

988
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: than other bottom way fluids.

989
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 13: But but you guys play games like you do do that?

990
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 13: You do that? Yes, nobody plays, you know, loogie games

991
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 13: with each other.

992
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 14: Yeah, the spit thing is complete disrespect. The other one

993
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 14: is I want to cause you pain because you guys

994
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 14: know that it's causing pain. It's like the easiest way

995
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 14: to cause pain.

996
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 13: Yes, which kind of sucks, like.

997
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 14: You took a that's an eat.

998
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 13: That's a cheap shot, as you know, we we know

999
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 13: it is.

1000
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 14: But yes, the spit thing is is definitely more disrespectful.

1001
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 13: But Jason, I felt like I cut you off, that

1002
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 13: I cut you off or you.

1003
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 4: No, no, No, I think she's right. What she's just

1004
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: said is true. And I think another man going after

1005
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 4: another man's jewels, it's just a different category of not cool,

1006
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 4: correct and bush league. But the spitting is just degraded

1007
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 4: in his helf.

1008
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 13: Well, it's also it's also whack because you could shove him,

1009
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 13: you could hit him in the face, so many other things, yes,

1010
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 13: but the ultimate side of disrespect is the spitting.

1011
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 14: Absolutely absolutely, like you said, you could have punched them,

1012
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 14: shoved them, but instead you.

1013
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 13: Went, I'd rather be hit in the that area than

1014
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 13: to be spit.

1015
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 14: On, sure, because it's I think it's degrading.

1016
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 13: I think that's the word, and I agree with Jason.

1017
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 13: There's not enough parrel in here as well that would

1018
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 13: be able to solve the spit being on you. Hey,

1019
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,440
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1020
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1021
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1024
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1026
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1027
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