1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today, 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: we've got my friend and colleague Fox News medical analyst, 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: doctor Mark Siegel. He's also a physician and an NYU 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Langone professor, but he's going to talk to us about 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: his brand new book, The Miracles among Us. It's perfect 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: heading into the holidays as well. But he tells stories 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: like the jaw dropping case of fourteen year old John Smith, 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: who had no pulse for nearly an hour after drowning 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: in a Missouri lake until his mother's prayer and the 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: trauma room and his heart suddenly restarted. Doctors called it 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: a bona fide miracle. There's stories just like that cross 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: the country, and doctor Mark Siegel tells their stories. So 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: what makes someone survive something like that? What do we 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: need to know about miracles and medicine. It's a really 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: interesting story. It is a really heartwarming book. I think 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: you're really going to love this interview. Stay tuned for 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: my friend and colleague, doctor Mark Siegel. Well, doctor Siegel, 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: it's great to have you on the show. I always 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: enjoy when we get a co host together. So I'm 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: looking forward to talking about your book and really appreciate 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: you making. 23 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: The time great to be on with you. 24 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: So you've got this new book, The Miracles among Us. 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: I've got to tell you a funny story. So one 26 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: of the stories that you highlight John Smith, this miraculous recovery, 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: this teen no pulse for you, know, after drowning in 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: cold water, and I want to have you tell the 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: story in just a moment. But so there's a movie, 30 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: The Breakthrough, about this case, doctor Siegel, and I was 31 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 1: on a flight at Cross Country Flight and I watched 32 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: this movie and I was sobbing so hard. I had 33 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: to like get up and go to the bathroom on 34 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: the flight, and the flight attendant was worried about me 35 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: because the movie just like touched me so much. But 36 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: talk about this story a little bit and why you 37 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: decided to feature it in your new book. 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: So the book has different chapters and each is a 39 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: different universe. It's narrative nonfiction, which is a first for me. 40 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: I've written nonfiction books, I've written novels, but this is 41 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: a lot of fun because it's actual stories. It reads 42 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: like a novel, but everything's true. And what I decided 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 2: to do as a technique was to take a lot 44 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: of different angles. And the executive producer of Breakthrough is 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 2: named Sam Rodriguez. He is a pastor and he's incredible, 46 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: and he started me off and told me his overview 47 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: of it. And he's got a lot of miracles in 48 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: his life as a pastor, including his sister, his daughter 49 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: rather surviving COVID in the ICU at a time when 50 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: we didn't even know how to treat it. And he 51 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: said he was in another room praying, and at the 52 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: exact time he prayed, she felt angels coming into the 53 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: room and she actually ended up getting better and got 54 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: off of the ventilator and went home. And that's the 55 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: kind of story he tells. So I got his perspective, 56 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: but he helped me interview everyone involved, because one of 57 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: the things you wonder about with a story like this 58 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: is can anyone verify this and listen to this Lisa. 59 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: First of all, John Smith and his two buddies go 60 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: out on the ice and it's cold in Missouri. But 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: the next day one of the boy's sisters says, oh, 62 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: come on, you didn't include me. So they go back 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: to the lake, only this time it's in the is 64 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: outside and all three boys fall into the water. And 65 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: I say to Michael Bodden, I didn't put this in 66 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: the chapter. I say to Michael Bodden, the fame pathologist, 67 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: what are the chances that somebody under the ice would 68 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: suffer from hypothermia which would keep their heart going for 69 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: a lot longer. And he said, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's 70 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: probably the real story. Because Michael is not a big believer. 71 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: He's a believer in a spiritual reality, as you can 72 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: tell in a later chapter in the book, but he's 73 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: not a big believer in you know. He always wants 74 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: the science first. And so then I said to him, yeah, 75 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: but it's in the He says, okay. If it's in 76 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: the then the protective effect of being under the water 77 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: lasts about ten minutes. Okay, And keep that in mind 78 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: when I tell you the rest of this. So the 79 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: emergency responder comes there, finds the other two boys, pulls 80 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: them out, can't find John, and all of a sudden, 81 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: there's a voice from the shore says, go fifteen feet 82 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: to the right. He goes fifteen feet to the right, 83 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: and there's John. He looks back at the shore. There's 84 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: no one there. Lisa, I interviewed the guy whose voice 85 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 2: it was, who assures me he was in an office 86 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: back in town and he's not a ventriloquist. So that was, 87 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: you know, an other worldly voice that said fifteen feet 88 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: to the right. Then they pulled John out. He has 89 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: no pulse. They bring him into the hospital and he's 90 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: pulseless for forty five to fifty five minutes. I interviewed 91 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: the doctor in the er. I interviewed the doctor that 92 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: ran the recovery, and I said, what are the chances 93 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: of somebody living that long with no pulse even with CPR? 94 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that? Because I trained at Bellevue 95 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: Hospital in New York, I've never seen that. They all go, 96 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: We've never seen that. But the mother wouldn't let us 97 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: call off the code. She wouldn't let us, so she 98 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: insisted on arriving before we called it off. And we've 99 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: never seen this in our career. Then I said, if 100 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: someone like that did wake up, what are the chances 101 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: they would have a meaningful recovery. That's a neurological term, 102 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: a meaningful recovery. Interesting and they said zero. I said, 103 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 2: so what happened? The mother came to the emergency room 104 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: and starts to pray. The moment she starts to pray, 105 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: his pulse comes back. I interviewed her. I interviewed all 106 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: the doctors, the nurses. Then they pull them out of 107 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: the cardiac arrest, and a day or so later he 108 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: wakes up. I interview John Smith. He's completely intact, no 109 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: neurological deficits. Years later. There's just no other explanation for 110 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: this story than divine intervention. Which is not to say 111 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: that all the stories of my book are like that, 112 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: that they're not all either or you can't fathom this 113 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: story without bringing God it well. 114 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: And that's what I loved about the story too, is 115 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: just the mom's refusal to give up on her son, 116 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, as you mentioned, just praying out loud loud 117 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: in the trauma room, even the doctor in the case 118 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: of the atmosphere in the room, you know, literally changed. 119 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's why, like it made me so 120 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: emotional when I watched the movie, and like with your 121 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: chapter in the book, is just a mother's refusal to 122 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, no, my son's it's not you know, it's 123 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: not his time yet, and you know, and and and him, 124 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, making a miraculous recovery. You know, as a doctor, 125 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: how do you reconcile some of these things because as 126 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: you mentioned, I mean, you know, not every doctor out 127 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: there is going to be religious, and you know you 128 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: see these these miracles that you outline in your book, 129 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: so you know, how do you reconcile those things beyond 130 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: just you know, divine intervention? 131 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: As you mentioned, fantastic question before I answered, I want 132 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: to tell you, hey, you're going to be a great 133 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: mom one day. Be thank you. I just saw my 134 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: wife running down the street. She didn't know I was there, running, running, running, running, 135 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: and I said, Luda, what's going on? She says, I'm 136 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: meeting this is our youngest child. I'm meeting him for 137 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: an appointment for shoe inserts. And I thought I would 138 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: never get that kind of attention or focus. But anyway, 139 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: back to your question, The issue is that doctors tend 140 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: to separate this out in their minds, and that's really 141 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: wrong because most doctors are religious seventy percent, and most 142 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: believe in miracles, and they don't understand that by not 143 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: giving up and by acknowledging what they learned in medical 144 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: school that we all have a spiritual reality, you can't 145 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: look inside the body, or look at physiology or anatomy 146 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: without believing that it's divine. I mean, it's so incredibly sophisticated, 147 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: just living one day, and doctors know that. Most doctors 148 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: know that, but they don't want to integrate it. And 149 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: they should because otherwise they end up playing ridiculous godlike 150 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: roles like physician assisted suicide or I mean, I believe 151 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: we go to palliative care too soon. Look, this is 152 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: this is a big political debate because there's a lot 153 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: of money spent on this side, and I know that 154 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: hospice is actually cheaper than but I think we have 155 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: to in all of our interventions as physicians, keep in 156 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: mind God's will and God's presence because it makes us 157 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: humbler and it makes us cherish life more so, I 158 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: believe in putting these things together. 159 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: How did you decide, you know, which stories to include 160 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: or not? What what sort of led you to including some? 161 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: And you know, how'd you kind of make those decisions? 162 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: Another great question. That's done, and that's done in two ways. 163 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: One was, as I started to write the chapters, I 164 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: started to see if they went somewhere where, And this 165 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: is where me and the me and the publisher, who's 166 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: a freaking genius, we tend to disagree on the following thing. 167 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: She wanted me to identify the prevailing miracle in each chapter. 168 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: My view was if the chapter told enough in terms 169 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: of an accumulation of miracles, then it stayed. And so 170 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: I followed the story and tried to figure out whether 171 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: whether there was enough twins, twists and turns in the road. 172 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: And this is my editor. Eric was great at this. 173 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: He said, we don't really want to know what the 174 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: miracle is when we start reading the chapter. We want 175 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: to kind of know what it is as it evolves. 176 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 2: And so I started to see this as an accumulation. 177 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: So that's how I started to figure out it may 178 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: if it make the cutting and floor. There's a neurosurgeon 179 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: who I won't name that my researcher liked because she 180 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: had done her interview with him, I think for maybe 181 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: Fox Digital or something years ago, and I interviewed him 182 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: and he told this story about outer body experiences. And 183 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: my wife was in the other room and she's a neurologist, 184 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: and she's like, afterwards, Mark, I don't believe this guy 185 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 2: at all. So then I started reading about him and 186 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 2: he's in a lot, he's gotten in a lot of trouble, 187 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 2: and he doesn't look reputable. So I said to my researcher, 188 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: we either get an interview with his doctor who verifies 189 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: all of this. And all we could get from his 190 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: doctor was like kind of a validation that what he 191 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: said was true. Wasn't enough for me, so I didn't 192 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: use that chapter. 193 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: I've got to take a quick commercial break. More with 194 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: doctor Mark Siegel on the other side, you know, not 195 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: quite a miracle, but more just my grandfather who's now deceased, stubbornness. 196 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: But he had gotten He was a builder, and he 197 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: had a boulder fall in his head and never did 198 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: anything about it. And then he got no car accident 199 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: closer to before he passed, and they almost did surgery 200 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: on his neck because he had a broken neck. And 201 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: it turns out that he had broke it like a 202 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: decade earlier and just never. 203 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: Did anything about it. 204 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: So I guess, you know, more of a testament to stubbornness. 205 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 2: But the way that speaks to Bonden's line. Bonden has 206 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: this famous line. He told me that people die from 207 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: different things, and that what you find on the autopsy 208 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: table is that people had stuff that you can't even 209 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: believe they were living with. That's like him. 210 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: It goes to show like the strength of you know, 211 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: both the human spirit as well, but you also decide 212 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: to share some personal stories from your own life as well, 213 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: like your your son's recovery from deafness. Was that tough 214 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: to kind of tell some of your own stories and 215 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: to get a little bit vulnerable with that. 216 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: I think I had to do that, But I think 217 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: the harder part was to figure out where to draw 218 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: the line on that. Like I have another story that 219 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: I've been telling on TV lately about my older son 220 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 2: and about how when he was born, I was lost. 221 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: When your first child is born, the father usually gets lost, 222 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: Like what's my role now? I mean, and you're trying 223 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: to figure it out? I was lost and I ran 224 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: across a guy sitting on the street on a Saturday 225 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: who handed me a prayer book and said, you have 226 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: a new son, pray for his health. And I said, 227 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: who are you? 228 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: Well? 229 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: What do you mean? How do you know I have 230 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: a new son? Like I don't to this day, I 231 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: don't know who this man was and how he knew 232 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: that I had a new son. Handing me a prayer book. 233 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: I didn't put that in the book, not because it 234 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: would have made me vulnerable, but because I was trying 235 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: to make the book more about the stories of other people. 236 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: But I did include some of my patients, and I 237 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: did include some of my personal stories. It was a balance. 238 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: You know, you've interviewed a lot of patients and families 239 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: for this book. Have you noticed any like patterns, lifestyle, 240 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: spiritual community that seemed to show up more often in 241 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: some of these people who beat impossible odds? 242 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: Yes, family and faith. I think that whether it's caustive 243 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: or not, and I think it is. You know, like 244 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: Brett and Amy, Brettbear are our own. Brett Bear is 245 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: a phenomenal guy and his wife, but they're great, and 246 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: they formed an amazing team for their son, Paul, who 247 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 2: survived five heart operation and the team was there and 248 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: each time and they prayed. And I felt the same 249 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: thing with the guy who the rabbi. The rebbie was saying, 250 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: get a heart operation, and the doctors were refusing, Who's 251 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: this rabbi telling us to operate? They ended up saving 252 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: the kid's life. That father was amazing and the love 253 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: he had for his son, and you told that already 254 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: at the beginning, like the idea of UH with breakthrough. 255 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: So there's a commonality of when parents are involved in 256 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: this book, they're involved with an undying love and a 257 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: great faith and belief in the spirituality of their children. 258 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: It's so refreshing to see that these days. 259 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: You know, how much does a will to live matter too? 260 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: Because you know, I don't know why I was watching 261 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: this like weird show for a while. It's called like 262 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: I Was Prey and it's all these people who like 263 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: survived Animal I think it's on like Animal Plan. I 264 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: don't even know how I started watching it one day, 265 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: but what really stood out to me was that everyone 266 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: who survived like they had something to look forward to, 267 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, like it's like a daughter's wedding or you know, 268 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: they were getting married or you know, and and so 269 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: they're like, I just you know, and the doctors were 270 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: like shocked that these individuals survived, but they just like 271 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: they had something that they were fighting for and that 272 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: they didn't want to give up on life. How much 273 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: does that matter in life? Of just you know, just 274 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: that that the will to survive, will to will to 275 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: continue living. 276 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 2: I could be very clinical about that and say that 277 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: if you don't have that, your succumbed the depression and 278 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: anxiety and metabolic dysfunction. That's a purely scientific view, but 279 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: I also think it's connected to spiritual overriding. Why is 280 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: it that one a couple's been married a really long time. 281 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you right now, my father's one 282 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: hundred and two of my mother's one hundred, and they're 283 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: not going to last that much longer. But I practice, 284 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: I predict they're both going to be gone within the 285 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: same six month period. Well they're over one hundred, so 286 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: that's a pretty good, pretty good odd to that. But 287 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: a lot of times that happens where your will to 288 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: live is the predominant issue of how long you survive. 289 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: It's connected to prayer, it's connected to faith, it's connected 290 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: to being uplifted. You know. One of the things that 291 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 2: the book emphasizes is that God has a greater reality 292 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: that we're supposed to be afraid of, not like all 293 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: this in the trenches stuff where we fight among each other. 294 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: That's why I was so upset to see the statistic 295 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: this morning that seventy two percent of people are not 296 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: having Thanksgiving with people that they agree with. Politically, used 297 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: to be the opposite sen at the table with someone 298 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: you disagree with. I mean, now it's like what weapon 299 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: are they bringing to dinner? 300 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: Well, and you know that is really sad that people 301 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: can't see beyond that these days, you know, politics has 302 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: divided a lot of families around the country. You had 303 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: mentioned Sir brettan Amy Bear's son story about Paul, who's 304 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: underwent undergone multiple, you know, life threatening heart surgeries. You've 305 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: also talked you know, Shannon Briham is featured in the 306 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: book as well, so you tell the stories of some 307 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: of her colleagues and you know some of the people 308 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: that the folks who are listening, you know, watch on 309 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: TV as well. 310 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: Well. Shannon told me last week when I went down 311 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: to do Fox News Sunday that I could tell this 312 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: She wrote the ford, right, Shannon wrote the ford. I said, 313 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: why did you leave out the fact that what you 314 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: were suffering from that caused you to be depressed was 315 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: dry eye syndrome? She said, you can say that, I'm 316 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: not not saying that. It's just that she wont wanted 317 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: the book to be about me. She you know, I 318 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: mean about my story she didn't want to distract from it. 319 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: Detract from it. She's an amazing human being, but that's 320 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: what she had. She went. I knew her then too. 321 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: She was going through like severe dry eyes until they 322 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: figured it out. She was very depressed, and then miraculously 323 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: she got cured. The bread situation was It's kind of 324 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: what I call the by the way diagnosis, where an 325 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: intuitive physician who's connected spiritually to the world and to 326 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: their patients comes upon things that you might that might 327 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: not be in the cookbook. Like they diagnosed the son 328 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: initially because the doctor just happened to be walking by 329 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: the hospital. He wasn't even on duty at just the 330 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: right time, and he walks in and he sees Paul, 331 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: and Paul's just a tiny baby, and he says, you know, 332 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: he doesn't look quite right now. I'm not even on call, 333 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: but I want an echo cardigram. So they do an 334 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: echo cardiogram and they find the issue. And he had 335 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: several problems with his heart. I went over all of 336 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: them in the book. He had several valvular issues and 337 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: congenital issues and started him on a series of operations 338 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: because what they put in he ended up out growing 339 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: and they'd have to replace it. But they you know, 340 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: Amy's a very very very loving mom and Brett too. 341 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: But Brett was all about figuring out next steps, like 342 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: he is on the air, the same thing, like what 343 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: are the next steps? What's coming up? What do I do? 344 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: How do I prepare? And then the last operation he 345 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to be having anymore. He was sixteen and 346 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: he just had what he thought was a cold and 347 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: he went in to see his interns to who he had 348 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 2: just started with, and the guy said, you're fine, there's 349 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: nothing here, but you know, maybe i'll do an X 350 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: ray just to be sure. She does an X ray. 351 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: It looks normal, but it's just slightly bigger. He says, well, 352 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 2: maybe the heart's a little bigger because of what you've 353 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: been through, but you know, just to be sure, I'll 354 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: have a cardiologist see it, you know, so that kind 355 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: of stuff. And the cardiology saw it and said, you know, 356 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: there's an aneurysm here that's about to burst. So he 357 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: doesn't so that he has another operation. And the day 358 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: before the operation, he's out playing golf with Brett and 359 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: he beats Brett. That is part of what you're talking about. Lisa. 360 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: The fortitude and the courage to overcome huge part of 361 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: the whole thing. 362 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: On also just goes to show that, look, we all 363 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: have things going on in our lives, you know, because 364 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: if you watched Brett on air every day and Shannon, 365 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: you would have never had any idea that, you know, 366 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: anyone's struggling with any of these personal things. So just 367 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: goes to show that, you know, we've all got things 368 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: that we're dealing with in our lives. You know, she'll 369 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: shew a little bit of kindness to everyone as well. 370 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: You know, one big story that we all remember, Jamar Hamlin. 371 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: He's playing for the Buffalo Bills when he suffered cardiac 372 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: arrest on the field. I think it was, you know, 373 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: January twenty twenty three, big game against the Bengals at 374 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: the time. What details did you learn and sort of 375 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: investigating the story, what might surprise people? 376 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: What did you learn that de mor Hamlin's story I 377 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: love because it shows that the book is not about 378 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: out rip and reading headlines. It's about finding undercurrents to 379 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: the story that you didn't know existed. And that's how 380 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: I ended up deciding whether a chapter is included. I 381 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: didn't use Damar because it's Tomar. I used Deamar because 382 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: I found out a story that I didn't know that 383 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: no one in the public knows. I'm trying to break 384 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: not to break news, but break ground. Here here's how 385 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: that happened. Bill Hemmer knows the Cincinnati Bengals really well. 386 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: So I said, Bill, can you connect me with the 387 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: team physician of the Cincinnati Bengals? That he does? Bill Hemmer, 388 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: our anchor of America's newsroom, dear friend of mine, a 389 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: huge fan of yours, Lisa. Oh, he's awesome, so he is, 390 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 2: so Bill. So I talked to the Cincinnati team doctor 391 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: who gives me a background on tomorrow. He says, by 392 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: the way, I wasn't in charge. I said, how could 393 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: you not be in charge? It's your field. He says, yeah, 394 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: but you don't know this. But in the NFL it's 395 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: the visiting team's physician who's in charge. And I said, well, 396 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: that's easy. I went to med school at Buffalo. I 397 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: never went to Orchard Park. It was too cold. I 398 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 2: was kind of a Bills fan, you know, because they 399 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: were pretty good in my day too. But I called 400 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: up the head of orthopedics at Buffalo. I'm in an 401 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: alumni and he'll call me back right away. And he said, yeah, 402 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: I was in charge that day, and he I talked 403 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: to him at length. I got some briefer stuff and 404 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: statements from DeMar, but I talked to Bison at length, 405 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: and he told me something that's absolutely a miracle. He said, 406 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: back in two here's how miracles work, so they're not 407 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 2: always directly connected. Back in two thousand and seven, skater 408 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: who had recently left the Buffalo Sabers and went to 409 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 2: the Florida Panthers was skating up in Buffalo and Leslie 410 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: Bisson was also the team doctor for the Sabers. And 411 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 2: the guy had to skate to his carotid artery and 412 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: started to bleed out on the ice, and Bisson came 413 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 2: and applied tourniquet and stopped the bleeding and they got 414 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: to that guy to the hospital and he needed like 415 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: ten units of blood and he barely survived. And Bisson said, Okay, 416 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: that's it. From now on, I rehearsed cardiac arrests and 417 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: emergencies on the field on the court on all of 418 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: my teams. Once a month, we go into full attack 419 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: mode and we get ready and in the NFL. Everybody said, Bisson, 420 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 2: you're crazy. No, there hasn't been a cardiac arrest on 421 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 2: the field since nineteen fifty five. He says, we're rehearsing it, 422 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 2: and as time went on, he started having a premonition 423 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: that he was going to need to use it. When 424 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 2: the damar situation happened, they recognized right away that the 425 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: helmet had hit in mid cycle of his heartbeat, which 426 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: is called Komosho cordis, which almost never occurs at anybody 427 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: that old. Not that he's old, but old in terms 428 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: of you know, football, I mean old in terms of 429 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: sportsperson that this happens to. It doesn't usually happen with 430 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 2: shoulder pads like this, and it doesn't usually happen with 431 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 2: some of this big but it happened. But because of 432 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 2: that protocol, they zoomed over there in one minute, got 433 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: the defibrillator on him, got the shoulder pads off them, 434 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: they cut him off, got the CPR started, and got 435 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: his heart rate back within one minute. And we like 436 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: to say time is brain. So they saved him and 437 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: then he woke up slowly. It wasn't like they told 438 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 2: it in the news reports. Again getting under the story 439 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: and getting to the real thing. He woke up slowly, 440 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: and they didn't know if he would fully wake up. 441 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 2: No one thought he would ever be able to get 442 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: back and play, but he has quick break. 443 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing, please you're on social 444 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: media or maybe send it to your family and friends. Doctor, 445 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: before we go, this must have been pretty cool for you, obviously, 446 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: your doctor, your Fox News medical contributor, and you you're 447 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: also an NYU Langon professor. This must have been pretty 448 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 1: cool to sort of like do something a little bit different, 449 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: right and to sort of, you know, learn about these stories, 450 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: write about these stories. So before we go, what was 451 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: writing this book like for you? 452 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: I'm actually a writer by trade. I mean, I'm Fox's 453 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: senior medical analyst now and I've done a lot of reporting. 454 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: The thing I like the most about being on TV 455 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: is actually reporting because I'm a writer by trade. I 456 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: trained in graduate writing back many years ago at Brown 457 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 2: and I published a novel and I've published several books 458 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: and written a lot of articles and op eds over 459 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: the years, and I really enjoy that. And one of 460 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: the ways I do TV is I try to write 461 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: an article, get deeper into it and then presented on TV. 462 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: I did that last week with somebody named Christopher Smith 463 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: who had a miracle where he was shot in the 464 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: head and survive, and like, I like that angle. This 465 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: was very different for me because I've written fiction and 466 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: I've written nonfiction, but I've never written what's called narrative nonfiction, 467 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 2: where it's a book of stories. And I so enjoyed 468 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: that that by interviewing different people and getting different angles 469 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: and bring a story to life, and it's something simple 470 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: like this. Lisa Eric Nelson, the editor of the book, 471 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: says to me, the actual event that you're focusing on, 472 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: I want that in the present tense. I said, really, 473 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: I never thought of that. He says, yeah, put the 474 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 2: event in the present tense, and then the build up 475 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: to the event or the after the event goes back 476 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: in the past tense. And it gives an immediacy of 477 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: the stories that really help a lot well. 478 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: And it's also a great book for people to get 479 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: heading into the holidays as well. 480 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: There's a prayer section too in the book where you 481 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: can there are healing prayers, a section of healing prayers 482 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: in there. Love it. 483 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Mark Siegel, author of the new book The miracles 484 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: among us, but not a new author as you put 485 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: it out, but author of this new book, doctor Mark Siegel. 486 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: Always great to see you or hear you, hear you 487 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: on this but looking forward to seeing you soon zor. 488 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: Great to be on with you, Lisa. Thank you. 489 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: That was doctor Mark Siegel. Appreciate him for making the 490 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: time every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout 491 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: the week. Also want to thank my producer John Casio 492 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: for putting the show together. That sign