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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of Too Much Information, the

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Speaker 1: show that brings you the secret facts and little alone

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Speaker 1: history behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows and more.

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Speaker 1: We are your heinous bitches of hay giography, your updated

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Speaker 1: Shakespeare's sagas of up to date details, your list loving

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Speaker 1: the tharios of all things pop culture. There are some

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Speaker 1: who say which is too good to be true? My

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Speaker 1: name is Jordan run Tug. That's a good one. I

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Speaker 1: was with you the whole way. Hi, thank you. I'm

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Speaker 1: Alex Heigel, and today we are talking about one of

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Speaker 1: the crown jewels of the late nineties string of stellar

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Speaker 1: teen comedies, Ten Things I Hate About You. This modern

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Speaker 1: update of Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew, a name that

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Speaker 1: did not age well charmed audiences and critics alike when

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Speaker 1: it was released at the end of March nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: twenty five years ago. It made ours out of Julia

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Speaker 1: Styles and Heath Ledger and birth some iconic cinematic moments

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Speaker 1: sin East really forever. Although I generally preferred my teen

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Speaker 1: during this era. Can't Hardly Wait, American Pie, Clueless, She's

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Speaker 1: All That my personal favorite, and of course this one.

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Speaker 1: We really we were spoiled with these. We were growing

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Speaker 1: up great run there. While you and I were slightly

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Speaker 1: younger than the characters in these movies, for me, they

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Speaker 1: were almost aspirational in a sense. They offered an idea

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Speaker 1: where I remained as weird and dorky as ever. Higer,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of ten things I heard about you?

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Speaker 1: You know, my memories of this said teen Boob are

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Speaker 1: mostly of me trying to see boobs in movies, So

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Speaker 1: anything that wasn't like a hard r was kind of

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Speaker 1: an out for me that surprises me. I could see

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Speaker 1: you being being into the high jinks of this move.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, No really, no, is it too sweet? Yes,

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Speaker 1: if I wanted high jinks at this time, I would

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Speaker 1: have gone to Jackie Chan or do them yourself.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, for sure, I mean Jackass was going around

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Speaker 1: Okay, that is true. That is true. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I obviously I have I love sweet baby Heath Ledger

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Speaker 2: and this he's he's just adorable. But I've never really

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Speaker 2: been the world's biggest Julius Styles fan, and I think

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Speaker 2: I was just like residual crushing on lariso Olnik from

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Speaker 2: the Secret World of Alex Mack And oh of course, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't really go any further than that for me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair to everybody listening right now,

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Speaker 1: I sprung this on High Goal like maybe three hours

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Speaker 1: the weekend. I read tenth Scait about you instead of

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Speaker 1: I believe Frank Sinatra's My Way was what we were

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Speaker 1: kind of to So it's quite the a bad face. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So you were handling this like a champ,

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Speaker 2: this was shot on film with like real sets and

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Speaker 2: I forgot there used to be craft in this. It

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Speaker 1: And that's the weird thing too, because I mean not

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Speaker 1: these movies are being made, I was really into watching

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Speaker 1: stuff from the fifties and sixties, and I remember thinking

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Speaker 1: Like Scott Fitzgerald moved to Hollywood. Yeah, before he died.

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Speaker 1: The plot centers around a bet, a bet or a wager.

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Speaker 1: more of an agreement, sort of a gentleman's handshake german's

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Speaker 1: You follows two sisters, Bianca and her elder sister Kat. Bianca,

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Speaker 1: I guess going over this. Now, this is obviously this

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Speaker 1: poem Here's everything you didn't know about Ten Things I

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Speaker 1: Ella Enchanted, the aforementioned She's the Man, and the House Bunny.

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Speaker 1: I'll over run there. Wow. But it all started with

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Speaker 1: Ten Things Desperate to break into the industry. They were

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Speaker 1: Those great illustrated classics books as a kid? Yep. I

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Speaker 1: Karen McCollough explained in a twenty fifteen interview with The

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Speaker 1: Script Lab. We knew we wanted to write a teen movie,

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Speaker 1: and when Clueless came out, we thought Amy Heckerling was

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Speaker 1: So I don't know Shakespeare Sigar chopping executive Shakespeare. I

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Speaker 1: tell you, nodds to Shakespeare and his works are sprinkled

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Speaker 2: But yeah, this is good. This episode's going to drag

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Speaker 1: Ten Things They Heard About You, there are character names

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Speaker 1: Ten Things I Hate About You is inspired by the Barge,

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Speaker 1: but the title comes from real life, stripped from the headlines, yes,

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Speaker 1: high school, Karen McCullough decided to read through her high

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Speaker 1: protect the guilty until they ultimately tweaked it to the

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Speaker 2: Think they kicked themselves when they got a percentage of

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Speaker 1: Find that in time for your birthday in November. But

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Speaker 1: to cast him.

431
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Speaker 2: He's just so unique looking. Is that who he refers

432
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: to as handsome? Like classically handsome, unique, strong jawline and

433
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: beautiful hair like. He's so unique looking. He just looks

434
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: like Adonis.

435
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: Junger added to viewmanity dot Com. Heath had never done

436
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: a movie, He'd done the least amount of work of

437
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: anyone on the cast, but he just exuded a sexuality

438
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 1: and charisma that was palpable. It was thrilling in the

439
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: initial reading, and the reading, it must be said, was

440
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: very short. They gave him eight pages to go through,

441
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: and barely a minute into the first page, they stopped

442
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: teeth and told him to put down the page and

443
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 1: poor he he took this as a bad thing. He

444
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: assumed to bomb the audition and he looked terrified, and

445
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: Gil Junger said, no, no, no, this is a very

446
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: good thing. I think you're a very talented guy, and

447
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: I just want to improv with you for a while.

448
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this guy sucks. His quote continues. I

449
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: wanted to see how fascile his ability was to shift

450
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: attitudes and maybe play off some humor. And we did

451
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: that for about forty five seconds, and I said, okay,

452
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming in. And he looked

453
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: at me like, dude, I just flew here from Australia.

454
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: You're spending two minutes with me for a sixteen hour flight.

455
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: Heigel your thoughts.

456
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: Oh no, please read the next sentence.

457
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: Uh. Junger apparently placed the call to Heat's agent as

458
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: soon as he was out of the room. Continue Junger

459
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: recalled saying to the women on the production team, Ladies,

460
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Speaker 1: I've never wanted to sleep with a man, but if

461
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: I had to sleep with the man, that would be

462
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: the man. Please call him immediately. There it is. Can

463
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: we can we say that? I feel like you have

464
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: to read that like Matthew Berry and the things we

465
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: say in the Shadows, Ladies.

466
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 2: I've never wanted to sleep with a man, but if

467
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: I had to sleep with a man, that would be

468
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: the man. Can we get up in the front of

469
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 2: a camera, please cast him immediately. He just exudes sexuality

470
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: and charisma.

471
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: Palpable, that's all right, good, very good. It sucks, man.

472
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: I thought I was.

473
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: I was feeling bad for just like ragging on him earlier.

474
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 2: But the fact that he saw a bunch of like

475
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: teens and was like, what a piece.

476
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: Of ass he was a teeny?

477
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: He's okay even still just being like, yeah, dude, man,

478
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: you exude sexuality. You want to do improv together? Did

479
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: you hang do you like to hang around men's locker room?

480
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: Like?

481
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: What the fuck? Man?

482
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: I need? Like this guy? Oh boy?

483
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: I guess you could say he liked him, Jung.

484
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna regret reading what I wrote director Gil Junger's

485
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: crush on Heath Ledger. I wrote adorable, but I'm rethinking

486
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: that now is palpable to use his own words. They

487
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: tweaked the character bio for Patrick Verona to make him

488
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: Australian so that Heath could keep his natural accent, which

489
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: Junger felt made the character of Patrick quote dangerous and sexy.

490
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm just hearing him with Matthew Berry now. Junger always

491
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: remembered the outfit that Heath wore on the first day

492
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: on the set, cracked olive green leather pants, topped off

493
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: with a white, worn out leather belt, some crazy pair

494
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: of white shoes, a hat, and who knows what shirt.

495
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: I looked at him and I thought to myself, if

496
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: I put on any one of those pieces of clothing,

497
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: everyone around me would burst out laugh before whatever reason

498
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: on Heath it was so cool. He could sell anything. Sure, man,

499
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: does it get better or worse? Same? Okay? Same continues, continues,

500
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: the pace continue. Yeah, actually no, it gets worse, but

501
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: not just with Heath. Oh.

502
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: I bet he has thoughts on Larissa, doesn't he?

503
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: No? No? Oh okay. Yeah. This was famously Heath Ledger's

504
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: first American movie, but he'd been a rising star in

505
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: his native Australia for a few years. He was mostly

506
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: known for roles in Australian TV series like Sweat Shipped,

507
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: a Shore, Roar and Home and Away Anyone, Anyone, Phil,

508
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 1: Front of the Pod, Phil or Resident favorite friend from

509
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: Southern Hemisphere, Phil, Please get in touch. Heath Ledgard appeared

510
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: in the nineteen ninety seven Australian feature film Black Rock,

511
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: but that was pretty much the extent of his filmography.

512
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: As a result, Touchstone got him cheap, reportedly shelling out

513
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: just one hundred thousand dollars. What would be Heath Ledger's

514
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: breakout role, and he threw himself into it with his

515
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: trademark gusto that would kind of kill him, yeah right, yeah.

516
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: In addition to improvising on set was his idea, for example,

517
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: to grab at the flame in the scene in the

518
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: science lab. He's literally playing with fire. Get it. He's like,

519
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, yeah. He studied extensively for his part. He

520
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: drew inspiration from Richard Burton's nineteen sixty seven portrayal of

521
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: Petruccio The Tamming of the Shrew, character upon which his

522
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: role of Patrick Verona is based, and he also strove

523
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: to give quote a Jack Nicholson edge to him with

524
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: his cheekiness and his smiles, and Heath would famously revisit

525
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: his love of Jack Nicholson nearly a decade later when

526
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: he portrayed the Joker, a role Jack had originated on

527
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: the big screen and Tim Burton's nineteen eighty nine adaptation

528
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: of Your Beloved Batman. Another thing the Heath Ledger brought

529
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: to the role, supposedly, sources say, is his car. The

530
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: red nineteen sixty three Dodge Dart that Cat drives in

531
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: the film was reportedly heats, at least if various listicles

532
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: are to be believed. I had a hard time running

533
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: that down. I couldn't couldn't get the VIN number.

534
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: Do you think they paid him to Uh, they paid

535
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: it to ship it across the country.

536
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: Oh, man, I bought it. I need to think of

537
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: that ocean.

538
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: Or he just bought it in La. It's a very

539
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: la car. It's a sick car. I fewer a loved

540
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: one have a Dodge? Don you'd like to sell us?

541
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: We don't have the money.

542
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: Well ve five bucks? Yeah it. Installment is our budget.

543
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

544
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: right back with more. Too much information in just a moment.

545
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: Well.

546
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: The sizzling on screen chemistry between the pair Heath Ledu

547
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: in Julia styles led fans to wonder if there was

548
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: anything going on irl as the kids say between the

549
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: nineteen year old Heath and the seventeen year old Julia.

550
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: My notes say, hey, it's from Australia. Can't be extradited. Well,

551
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: you're right to wonder, because apparently something was going on

552
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: between the pair. Maybe Heath was just going method. I

553
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: don't know. They played somewhat coy about this in interviews

554
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: over the years, maybe because of the eight seventeen nineteen

555
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: year old thing, But during a tenth anniversary commentary, it

556
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: was revealed that the two leads had started dating during filming,

557
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: but drifted after the film's release, and by January two thousand.

558
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: They were Done'd be cool if you didn't mean drifted

559
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: apart and you were like, they just got super into drifting.

560
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: You know, they'd seen the Fast and Furious movie, became

561
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: competitive drift bracers together.

562
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: Heath had his Dodge Dart tricked out. Yeah, exactly.

563
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: If I get a time machine, that's what I'm going

564
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: back and spending my time obsessively making sure that that

565
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: goes right. Forget baby Hitler, I can make sure he

566
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: Pledger gets into drifting.

567
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: But apparently there was no bad blood after they split,

568
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: or supposedly allegedly split, and in a twenty sixteen interview

569
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: with The Hubigan Post, Julia Styles recalled a note she'd

570
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: recently rediscovered that Heath had written to her when they

571
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: were together. I'm forgetting the beginning of the quote, she said,

572
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: but it's something like dance like you've never heard music

573
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: and love like you've never been hurt. It was so sweet.

574
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: I almost cried. That was his goodbye note to me.

575
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: So that's all sweet. But here's where it gets weird.

576
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: Director Giljunger claims that Julia was actually in an on

577
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: set relationship with a different co star, Joseph Gordon Levitt.

578
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: I find this hard to believe because as much as

579
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm all for the nerdy guy getting the girl, I

580
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: cannot imagine that giving the choice between nineteen ninety nine

581
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: era Heath Ledger and third Rock from the Son era

582
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: Joseph Gordon Levitt, the kid from Angels in the Outfield,

583
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: she went with the latter. Ggl's cute, but he's no

584
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: Heath Budger. That's the thing. You're a batman head. I

585
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: didn't really realize this, but I guess. There was a

586
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: lot of talk online about how much Heath Ledger and

587
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: Joseph Gordon Levitt resembled one another when they were in

588
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: back to back Christopher Nolan Batman movies. I don't see it,

589
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: and you didn't see it then and I don't see

590
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: it now. But do you have do you have thoughts

591
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: on this? No? Move on? Okay, okay, So yeah, that's weird.

592
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't know about this relationship between Julius Styles and

593
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: Joseph Gordon Levitt. We'll touch more on that later. But

594
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: all of this is mostly speculation, but it is true

595
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: that Heath Ledger was Julius styles first on screen kiss,

596
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: which is a good one. If you gonna have a

597
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: first on screen kiss, that's probably the one you want

598
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: to go with. She would tell Cosmo in twenty eleven

599
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: that he was the best kisser in Hollywood, which is cute.

600
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: She had this to say after his tragic death in

601
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 1: January two thousand and nine. He was so nice. He

602
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: was such a force. He was, even at that age,

603
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: a very very powerful, lovely human being. God. I remember

604
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: when he died where he was living was like you

605
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: could almost see it from my dorm, and a bunch

606
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: of us like kind of wandered over there. What.

607
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: I had a guitar teacher once who I took like

608
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: three lessons for this guy because he sucked so bad.

609
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: He was a great guitarist, just a real piece. And

610
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: when Heath Ledger died, this guy had like a more

611
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: than passing resemblance to Heath Ledger, like more than Joseph

612
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: Gordon Levitt. And he simply went to Keith Ledger's apartment

613
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: and started busking out on the sidewalk. But it was

614
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: just like so socopathic of him to like just go

615
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: under the go to Heath Ledgers recently vacated by reason

616
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: of death apartment and just stand outside the window and like,

617
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, play Hallelujah or some bullshit.

618
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: Was that the idea with you? Like it was this

619
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: an opera, like an opportunity or is he just like

620
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: paying tribute?

621
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: Okay, No, let me see if I can find uh

622
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: the interview where he talked about this incident.

623
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Speaker 1: Oh, he he gave an interview about this. I thought

624
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: he just was telling you about this. No.

625
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: I remember googling him at one point, like researching him,

626
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: and that's what came up. I mean, would you, honestly

627
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: if you looked like that and and I.

628
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: Look like that, wouldn't be playing on the street corner

629
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: that's for damn sure, that's true. All right, where were we?

630
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: We have to talk about the other cast members. Well,

631
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Speaker 1: Joseph Gordon Levitt, Let's just say that little that.

632
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: Little cutie boy, that little theater kid got around on set.

633
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: Reportedly he was dating Larissa olinek, who played his on

634
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: screen rush Bianca Stratford. Also, their characters in Third Rock

635
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: from the Sun dated. Isn't that cute?

636
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: I like that? What do you think about that? I

637
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: like that.

638
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: I just remember French Stewart from Third Rock from the

639
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: Sun experiencing such a visceral dislike that. I barely remember

640
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: anything else about the show. Yep Olnic is most famous

641
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 2: for most people for her starring role in the Secret

642
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: World of Alex Mack or as Ken Cosgrove's wife on

643
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: Mad Men. If You're a Super Weirdo. Funnily enough, her

644
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: first kiss was right or Strong aka Sean when she

645
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: was guesting on Boy Meet's World, but they had actually

646
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: met when they were ten years old doing a production

647
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: of the Miz Together. There's like three degrees of separation

648
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: between all nineties teen stars. It's true anyway. Olanic reportedly

649
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: wanted the role of Kat, the older sister initially, and

650
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: it eventually went to Styles, who is only three months

651
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: older than her, even though the characters portrayed as two

652
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: years old.

653
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Speaker 1: I feel I'm legally obligated to mention in the Mama

654
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: Mia sequel when was cast as Meryl Streep's mom, even

655
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: though they're only like a year apart. Like a good

656
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: on share for being like, okay, yeah, I'll be. I'll

657
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: be Meryl Streep's mom.

658
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: And look better than everyone else in this movie. Yes,

659
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: funny side note. In the film, Cat is accepted to

660
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: Sarah Lawrence College on the outskirts of New York. In

661
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: real life, that is where Larissa Olenik went. Did you

662
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: watch the sex Crimes documentary It's called Stolen Youth about

663
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: a bunch of Sarah Lawrence kids who got into like

664
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: a horrifying essentially like a sex human trafficking cult. No,

665
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: because one of their friends' dad moved into their dorm

666
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: era like there. You can have these detached dorm style

667
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: or housing dorms like that are like detached houses. And

668
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: her dad got out of jail and moved in there

669
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: with them and slowly brought them all under his throat.

670
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: I did hear about this, oh, Liz Garbus produced this.

671
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: She's amazing, Yeah, and she did a great documentary on

672
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher, the brilliant but troubled chess master, and also

673
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: a really scary documentary called There's Something Wrong with Aunt Diane,

674
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: about a woman who drove the wrong way up some

675
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: interstate parkway with her children in the car before crashing

676
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: into a head on going like eighty five miles an hour,

677
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: and no one knows why or what happens.

678
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: The love Struck Cameron James, the nerd who desperately wants

679
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: the hand of Bianca. That character name is, as you

680
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: might assume, a semi pointless joke about James Cameron. When

681
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: Joseph Gordon Leavitt auditioned for the film, he initially wented

682
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: the role of Michael Eckman, later played by David Crumhols,

683
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: the wise ass friend who tries to help Cameron get

684
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: the girl. So after having to be talked into auditioning,

685
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: he then had to be talked into accepting one of

686
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: the major parts. He told Vanity Fair in twenty twenty,

687
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: I remember having a meeting with the directors where I

688
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: was like, this doesn't make any sense, and this feels

689
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: cheesy and that feels cheesy list I think to some

690
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: of my ideas, but mostly I think I was probably

691
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: just wrong and kind of being too serious about the

692
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: whole thing. Yeah, that's theater kid energy bow. He admitted

693
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: in the same interview, the experience is actually what I

694
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: love most about the whole thing. Even if people didn't

695
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: like the movie, we had such a good time. All

696
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: of us hung out all the time. Can you imagine

697
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: Joseph Gordon Levick coming under your set and giving you notes.

698
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: I can, and it's infuriating.

699
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Speaker 1: Were you a theater kid you sort of were.

700
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: So briefly I missed my window. I fortunately, thank god.

701
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: What were the shows?

702
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: Yes, Virginia in our town. I mean I did play

703
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: king Lear once.

704
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Oh, I would give it.

705
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 2: That was like the hardest thing I had to do

706
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: in high school, except for like getting my black belt

707
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: and Eagle Scout. Oh I'm sure saying king Lear did

708
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: to memorize all that then, because we were just constantly

709
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: being cut for time. They would literally be calling me

710
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: up the night before and they were like, page sixty

711
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 2: three to seventy two is cut. It's like, oh okay,

712
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: and it is so fucking embarrassed to do Shakespeare. They

713
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: made us do it in front of the whole school.

714
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: I could see you'd be an incredible king leir though.

715
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: No, don't ever want to do that again. I don't

716
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: ever want to do that again in my life. So

717
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: many words, that's really cool. I say that's I say,

718
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: that's truly, that's really cool.

719
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: Joseph Gordon Levitt's character learns French so that he can

720
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: tutor Bianca, but in real life the actor is fluent

721
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: in the language. He shows off these skills later in

722
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen The Walk, in which he plays French

723
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: tightrope talker Philippe Tit who once walked between the Twin Towers.

724
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: Did you ever see that documentary? No? I haven't. Oh

725
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: it's really I mean, I'm scared of heights, so seeing

726
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: it in the front row in the theater it was

727
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: a bad move. But yeah, it's really cool. Oh man

728
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: man wi, Yeah, I don't know.

729
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: I think the French should stick to miming. Another fun fact.

730
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: At the beginning of the movie, Cameron James quotes a

731
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: line from The Taming the Shrew end quote, I pine,

732
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: I burn, I perish, okay man. The role of the

733
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: battie teen who pays Heath Ledger's character to take out

734
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: cat not like a mob hit, so her father would

735
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: consent to him dating. Pianca was reportedly going to be

736
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: played by James Franco before ultimately going to Andrew Keegan.

737
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: Franco had had a similar situation years later when he

738
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: was supposed to play the love interest Aaron Samuels in

739
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: Mean Girls, but was dismissed shortly into shooting. Technically, the

740
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: Mean Girl's producers never divulged who it was that they

741
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: let go, but Daniel Francese, who played Damien, told the

742
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: story in Altitude magazine in twenty fourteen, saying that the

743
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: other actor hadn't shaved and didn't take his hat off.

744
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: He was playing it really cool. People kept coming over

745
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: to him like, you know, you should really take your

746
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: hat off, and then right after the table read he

747
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: got fired.

748
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: Stinks of Franco.

749
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: Do you think Franco also came in with his hat

750
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: off and not shaving, didn't They talked about the one

751
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: frecksing geeks person talked about how he was walking around

752
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: with a copy of Camu in his back pocket, so.

753
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: Like fully fully that guy, fully that.

754
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: Guy and speaking of great what what was this segue?

755
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 2: And speaking of greatness, we have to talk about teen

756
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: movie rural to Gabrielle Union, who makes an appearance in

757
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: this movie as a character, but is all in the

758
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: rich lineage of her role and status as teen movie queen.

759
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: She's in, She's all that Bring It On and this film.

760
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: Despite playing a teenager in all of these roles, gabriel

761
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: Union was twenty five while filming Ten Things I Hate

762
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: About You. In the twenty nineteen interview with The New

763
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: York Times, she said, I was over ten years older

764
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Speaker 2: than my younger cast members, some of whom were still

765
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: in high school. I was kind of like, how close

766
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: is this to my high school years? Do I look

767
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: crazy playing a fifteen year old? Don't mention Earth Wind

768
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: and Fire or give away your age.

769
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Speaker 1: She's fifty one. Now. While moving through the supporting cast,

770
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: we have found ourselves at David Crumbholtz, who seems to

771
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: be having a moment now due to his role in

772
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer and also apparently just like putting it all out

773
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: there on social media these days. At least he was.

774
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 2: You had a bunch of viral tweets on about how

775
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: bad his experiences in Hollywood were you just sold the

776
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 2: garbage you got to put up with, and like embarrassing

777
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: audition stories and stuff.

778
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: And then he deactivated his Twitter account recently. I guess

779
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: the power Sip felt that he knew too much and

780
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: they pulled the plug on him.

781
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 2: You're like, you're getting a little too close to the truth, buddy,

782
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: the handler deactivated him.

783
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: Well, his forthrightness has been clear in all interviews he's

784
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: ever given about ten things they hit about you, and

785
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: he's become something of a cast diarist, as we'll get

786
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 1: to in a moment. He wrote a very touching piece

787
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: for Vulture a few years back recalling his time on

788
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: the set. Apparently that wasn't a miserable experience, but a

789
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: very good one. Uh. This anecdote, however, is less touching.

790
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: You recall that his character Michael Eckman, the wise ass

791
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: geek that jose Gordon Levitt wanted to play winds up

792
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: with uh genitalia drawn on his face courtesy of the

793
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: movie Battie Andrew Keegan. Crumbholtz recently told HuffPo I remember

794
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: having to teach Andrew Keegan how to draw a proper

795
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: in my face, which was a little strange to have

796
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: to do. He was nervous. I was like, I draw

797
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: tons of start with the head, do the shaft, get

798
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: to the balls. Tremendous.

799
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: Imagine Daniel da Lewis, give me an interview. Maybe it

800
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: wasn't Hollywood's fault, buddy, And now let's offset this vulgarity

801
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 2: with a bit of the bard Crumholtz's character also quotes

802
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: Shakespeare in this film, saying sweet love renew thy force.

803
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: A line from Shakespeare's Sonnet fifty six. And now we

804
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: are saving the best of the cast for the last.

805
00:42:54,080 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: Alison Janny she plays the what right, No? No? Am

806
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: I right? Or am I right? Yeah? No, It's just funny.

807
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: We get up to all these teen stars and we're like,

808
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: Alison jan good for her, though I know.

809
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: She plays the wonderful miss Perky, the guidance counselor who

810
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: also writes erotic fiction on the side. She has that

811
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: great exchange with Julia Styles's character. People perceive you as

812
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: somewhat tempestuous hens bitch is the term used most often. Well,

813
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 1: I love that. Alison Jenny also added the line where

814
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: she gestures to the feed line on her mug and

815
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: goes cat and purrs, which people seem to like online.

816
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: It's very jiffable and tumbler friendly.

817
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 2: I suppose gift get uh oh yeah, sorry, despite I mean,

818
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: that's a huge topic. I'm surprised it hasn't come up

819
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: by now, Hey it has.

820
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 1: I actually forget what I actually feel about gift versus

821
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: g which says a lot more about me than it

822
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: does about you.

823
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: Just went with the one you knew would annoy me.

824
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: You're like, I didn't somehow I feel like saying it.

825
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: Wait now I forget, Now I forget. Hang on, I'm gonna.

826
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it how I would normally say it,

827
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: and I actually forget what annoyed you.

828
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: Giff gif is correct, Okay, all right. It's an acronym

829
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: for graphics interchangeable for me. Yes, I remember this is graphics.

830
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 2: The word graphics does not start with the J sound. Yes,

831
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: it's not graphics, folks. It's a pretty it's settled. It's

832
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: like you don't use It's like saying a TF or

833
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 2: fpe ce a like you don't just get to alter

834
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: the way words letters sound. Because it's part of an acronym.

835
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: It makes it a whole new word though, all right,

836
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: all right, okay, I don't I don't I see I

837
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: see the color in your face turning, turning, different shapes

838
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: in our great. It's just a fact that's not what

839
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: the word sounds like.

840
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm taking crazy bills from people get

841
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: into this conversation with me. It's like somebody like just

842
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: walks up to you and you know, they're like, yeah,

843
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I spent a lot of time on my efone.

844
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: Well, okay, Well there's there's there's there's there's akronym twer

845
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: dot com, insta, Instagram, there's there's acronym a story like

846
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: c I a fb I where you're saying letters. But

847
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: then there's NASA where words that are made.

848
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: Up of full on yeah, but still all of those

849
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: words that you're not changing the way that. I'm like,

850
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure somebody's somewhere said NASA and someone's like, no,

851
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: it's not pronounced like that. But it's like, you don't.

852
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: Say like like radar or scoola.

853
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: You don't say like scuba because it's hard to say.

854
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: As with everything American, it comes down to convenience.

855
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: The hell are we speaking of America? Okay? Ten things

856
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: I Hate About You came out just a few months

857
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: before The West Wing premiered on NBC, and Allison Janey

858
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: became known across the country as c J. Craig. But

859
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: she always had fund memories of Ten Things Hate About

860
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: You because she said it was the first time, at

861
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: that point ten plus year Hollywood career, that she's been

862
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: paid a decent salary, which makes me sad.

863
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never watched a single episode of The West

864
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: West Nope.

865
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: Me, neither. Kind of seem boring. Yeah, well, now we're

866
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: moving on too. We haven't even gotten to the production yet.

867
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: Ten Things I Had About You was shot in just

868
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: thirty three days in the summer of nineteen ninety eight,

869
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: and it was shot almost entirely on location, actually, I

870
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: believe entirely on location in Tacoma, Washington. I've seen some

871
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: listicals say that not a single set was built for

872
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: this movie, which seems insane to me. They just used

873
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: actual houses and schools and fields and what have you.

874
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: In a sense, you could say the Pacific Northwest is

875
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: a character in the film. To celebrate the twentieth anniversary

876
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, Seattle Magazine published a guide to all

877
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: the Ten Things I Hate About You date spots. Such

878
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: landmarks include Lake Union, where Kat and Patrick went paddle boating,

879
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: the Fremont Troll where Bianca and Cameron went to talk

880
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: after school, and the Paramount Theater where prom was held.

881
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: Shout out to my friend Anna Maria, who was just

882
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: visiting the Stratford family home and Tacoma, which is kind

883
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: of what partially inspired me to do this episode.

884
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: And here's where Chris Cornell shot up Heroin, Here's where

885
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: Lane Staley shot up Heroin.

886
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: But arguably the most precious locations for fans of Ten

887
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: Things to Hit About You is the high school featuring

888
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: the bleachers and the field, which we will talk about

889
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: in a moment. The school was called Stadium High School,

890
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: so named for the fifteen thousand seat stadium that we

891
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: see during the infamous song scene. Fifteen thousand seats for

892
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: our public high school. That's insane. Wow. I think it's

893
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: a wow. Between the epic coastal location and the truly

894
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: overwhelming exterior, you'd be forgiven for assuming that this was

895
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: some kind of rented mansion. That's because the building that

896
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: houses the school was initially designed to be a French

897
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: chateau style luxury hotel financed by the North Pacific Railroad Company. However,

898
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: due to the one to two punch of the financial

899
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: crash of eighteen ninety three and the fire work in

900
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: the hotel was abandoned and the building sat empty for

901
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: years before being repurposed and opened as a high school

902
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: in nineteen oh six. And it's an historical landmark these

903
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: days that's hosted speaking engagements from Presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson,

904
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: and Warren G. Harding. The school still operates today and

905
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: even held the Ten Things I Hate About You screening

906
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: to mark the twentieth anniversary of the film in twenty nineteen.

907
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: In the movie, Stadium High School was renamed Padawa High School.

908
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: This is a reference to Padawa, where Shakespeare set his

909
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: play and I Guess Now is a Good Time? As

910
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: Andy to mention that Patrick Verona's surname comes from the

911
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: birthplace of his equivalent character in the Shakespeare play, and

912
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: the Stratford sisters Cat and Bianca are named as a

913
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: nod to Shakespeare's birthplace Stratford. Upon Avon, the vibe on

914
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: this set was unusually good. I'm pleased to report the

915
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: young cast all met into Coma and became fast friends

916
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: by the end of the inaugural kickoff dinner held at

917
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: the restaurant of the Sheridan, where they were all staying.

918
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: David Crumholtz wrote a very sweet remembrance of his experience

919
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: on set for Vulture in twenty fifteen, and he referenced

920
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: this welcome dinner specifically. He said, by the night's end,

921
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: it was clear that this would be a transformative experience

922
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: for all of us. I had only made a few

923
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: films by that point, including The Santa Claus, which we

924
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: are legally obligated to mention, and often found myself working

925
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: with older actors like Tim Allen, not ones of my generation.

926
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: This was a chance to work with my peers, and

927
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: this only Kismet would allow. I found myself getting along

928
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: famously with my castmates, and he goes on to do

929
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: a cute spotlight on each cast member, and the piece

930
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: work was fun, and after work we were inseparable. We laughed,

931
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: we partied, we wrapped. Joseph Gordon Levitt turned me on

932
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: to fish and I turned him onto Wu Tang.

933
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: That was the worst sentence I think I've ever read.

934
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 2: Those two in a room as teenagers talking about fish

935
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: and the Wu Tang clan. Can you imagine can you

936
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: imagine Joseph gord Levitt like the months after he discovered

937
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: Wu Tang clan is just like walking around talking about

938
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: Shao Land and reciting the torture skit from thirty six.

939
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: Chambers is just.

940
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: Doing all He's probably talking like method man, like oo ever.

941
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: Give a theater kid access to rap. I want to say, arguably, now.

942
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: That's how we got lin Manuel Miranda.

943
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it might be worse after he

944
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: was exposed to fish though, I mean, yeah, two roads

945
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: diverged in a wood. It's like mustard gas and pepper spray.

946
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: Gabrielle Union had us and stitches. Julia Stiles brought her

947
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: own brand of Soho bred artistic intellectualism at only seventeen,

948
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: mind you, Larissa Olenix. Laughter filled the room and we

949
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: marve that the tones inness of Andrew Keegan's muscles a

950
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: great sport and Heath Ledgerd didn't arrive until a few

951
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: days after the rest of the cast, since he was

952
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: still doing Australia to continue his work on the TV

953
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: show Roar and Crumholtz recalled worrying that the addition of

954
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: this handsome new guy would disrupt the delicate social balance.

955
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: But as he wrote, this was a concern that was

956
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: remedied a few days later when he arrived and we

957
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: found yet another comrade and sensibility. The group with Heath

958
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: only got stronger. Before I knew it, the cast was

959
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: experiencing what I've since found to be all too rare.

960
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: I unified chemistry throughout the ensemble, without a single bad

961
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: apple in the bunch. We all agreed that we were

962
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: having the best summer of our lives. Julia Styles and

963
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: pretty much everyone echoed the sentiment to Cosmo, saying that

964
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: the most enjoyable part of filming was quote just being

965
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: teenagers away from home making a movie over the summer.

966
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. It was such a special experience because

967
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: it was so raw and we were so unfiltered, all

968
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: of us in the cast. There was something innocent and

969
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: pure about that time. The cast got along so well

970
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: together that they even went to concerts and dinner during

971
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: a break from filming. They saw both The Beastie Boys

972
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: and Pearl cham Heath's arrival really had a marked impact

973
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: on both the cast and crew. Director gild Junger's crush

974
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: on Heath also continued to intensify, as he told HuffPo

975
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: working with Heath was so special. I'm not saying this

976
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: because he's dead, one of the all time qualifiers. I

977
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: just liked being around him, you know, because he was alive.

978
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: I added that last book, yuess he was all alive

979
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: and all and so sexy. Just sot, he continued. Most

980
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: of the days of the Oh, this is actually I

981
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: find this a little weird. Most of the days I

982
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: would have my driver me up a little early, and

983
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: then I'd go pick up Heath so I could take

984
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: the extra half hour ride in with him, because I

985
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: just found them to be so freaking interesting. He was amazing.

986
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: I just like, man, if you are that border's on

987
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 2: like stalking. If you're like picking up your male star

988
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: a half an hour early for call without telling him

989
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: and then just driving around with him in the car

990
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: that is live as.

991
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: A white van.

992
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is alarming. What did you have like Bartles

993
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: and James in the bag, like hey, get in there,

994
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: like Luther Vandross is on the stereo. Young's already got

995
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: his shirt off.

996
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, well where were we? Gabrielle Union recalled

997
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: Heath's impressive arrival during a twenty sixteen episode of Watch

998
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: What Happens Live with Andy Cohen. He told me and

999
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: anyone else who is over twenty one, so go meet

1000
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: him at the top of the bar, at the top

1001
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: of this hotel. And we walk in, and he's just

1002
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: got this wild hair. And again he's nineteen, and he's

1003
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: got like a dad drink and he gets up and

1004
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: he was just such a man, such a gentleman. But wait,

1005
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: he was nineteen. Maybe they maybe maybe the hotel is

1006
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: in id Maybe the hotel was in Canada. I don't know,

1007
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: the almost close to Canada, right.

1008
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: No other fans of all the underage strange in the

1009
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 2: movie may remember. Fans of the movie will recall the

1010
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: scene in which Julius Styles gets drunk at a house

1011
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: party for reasons, and, in a rare instance of letting

1012
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: loose around her classmates, starts dancing on a tabletop and

1013
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: then she whacks her head on the chandelier. It may

1014
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: surprise no one to learn that those dance moves were

1015
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 2: improvised by Julia Stiles, and it got her the role

1016
00:54:53,880 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: of Save Last Dance Woman. I mean that that sort

1017
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 2: of is the tenor of her dance presence in that movie.

1018
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 2: It was like drunk white girl who thinks she's down

1019
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 2: maybe gets a little too comfortable in certain settings, saying

1020
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: certain things. The Save the Last Dance guy saw her

1021
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: drunkenly dancing on a table and was like, there's the

1022
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: lead of my new film about solving interracial strife in Chicago,

1023
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 2: in Chicago's South Side.

1024
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: Dumbass.

1025
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: Anyway, folks, it's been long enough. Now we have to

1026
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: talk about the most iconic scene in the movie. It

1027
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: is one that the fine folks at Huffington Post dedicated

1028
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: an entire long read to great read.

1029
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: Check it out.

1030
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: It is, and it's the moment when Heath Ledger tries

1031
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: to make amends with Julius Stiles's character for not kissing

1032
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: her when she was blackout drunk. If memory serves, and

1033
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: he crashes her success practice soccer practice.

1034
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: What a success practice? Click for you Heigel.

1035
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: Crying, crashing her soccer practice with a marching band and

1036
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: serenading her with a delightfully cringey version of Frankie Valley's

1037
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 2: Can't Take My Eyes off of You. So it's hard

1038
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: to believe now that was not the original song. That

1039
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: they wanted to use. According to multiple sources, they were

1040
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: going back and forth between I Think I Love You

1041
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: by the Partridge Family or I Touch Myself by the Divinyls,

1042
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 2: which I'm guessing was a Junger pick. Gil Junger's like,

1043
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 2: what if we haven't bear with me, guys, what if

1044
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: we have this sexy guy who we found singing about masturband.

1045
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: In front of a bunch of underage Yeah? Good athleics,

1046
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: what do you guys think? No, just let it marinate.

1047
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: Let mary, we'll talk about it.

1048
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll come back to it tomorrow. We'll circle back.

1049
00:56:52,680 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: We'll circle back. Good lord, I know. Screenwriter Karen told

1050
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: The New York Times, I think Heath decided that that

1051
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: wasn't romantic enough, so he chose the Frankie Valley song,

1052
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 2: which was a much better call. Some have also stated

1053
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: that was Julius Styles's idea, but I don't think she's

1054
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 2: interesting enough for that. He was apparently very god, I'm sorry,

1055
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: I can't It's like tonguing a sore tooth now, I

1056
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: just can't stop doing it. Heath was apparently very nervous

1057
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: before shooting the scene because he'd never sung in front

1058
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: of anyone which is so so cute. Heath took an

1059
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,479
Speaker 2: active interest in preparing for the scene. He reportedly worked

1060
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: hard on his wardrobe. Screenwriter Kirsten Smith told Weis in

1061
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. He was so specific about what he wanted

1062
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: to wear. It had to be this certain type of

1063
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: dark shirt with a precise fit. Oddly, it's kind of

1064
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: a nondescript ensemble when you actually watched the movie, but

1065
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: seeing him architect the costume as part of his preparation

1066
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: was so impressive, especially because he was only nineteen. He

1067
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 2: also trained with choreographer Marguerite Palm Heern Derrecks, which is

1068
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: as a Christopher guest mockumentary name if I've ever heard

1069
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: one who was blowing up at the time, because she

1070
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: choreographed the Austin Powers street dancing intro. Derek's prepared Heath

1071
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: by showing him scenes from the newly released show Girls,

1072
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: Showgirls iconic movie, and lots of Fred Astaire movies. Then

1073
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: at the eleventh hour they decided to have Heath backed

1074
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: by a full scale marching band. I was shocked they

1075
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: didn't fly out the USC Trojans for it. The school

1076
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: where they were filming stadium. High school didn't have a

1077
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: marching band, so director Gil Junger sent to an assistant

1078
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: to nearby Lincoln High School to enlist one.

1079
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: Hey, go to all the god all the high schools nearby.

1080
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 4: Yes, find out find out the really really you know,

1081
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 4: the ones that ooze sexuality. You know what, I better

1082
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 4: go with you on this one. I'm just gonna everybody,

1083
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: We're wrap, We'll wrap, We'll do it now.

1084
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: No, go with the.

1085
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with my cat character. It's gonna be

1086
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: a very busy afternoon.

1087
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: Hold this trombone, Hold this trombone.

1088
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh this drum bone? Yeah, really slide it. The band

1089
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: director said no, perhaps realizing the kids revolted. The student

1090
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: leader of the marching band ended up getting a glorified

1091
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: extra roll in the film, and since Heath's character was

1092
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: such an outcast, they decided to film a scene of

1093
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: him paying the band leader three hundred dollars. Afterward, where

1094
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 2: do you think that came me? You came from? I'm

1095
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: going to show you how to palm this hundred dollars.

1096
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: Not something I've not something I've done a lot in

1097
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: my life down on skid row, but just to really

1098
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: kill Junger This became a bit of a running gag.

1099
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: You'll remember this band leader becomes the guy who could

1100
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: get things done right. You remember the cops who chased

1101
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: Heath Ledger across the bleachers, prompting a slightly premature end

1102
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: to the song. I guess it's illegal to karaoke in public?

1103
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is on what grounds? He goes to the school?

1104
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: He's not trespassing. It's the woke left, you know.

1105
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: An actor playing one of the cops, the overweight one

1106
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: that Heath gooses, actually had the paramedics called after shooting

1107
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: the scene because he was having shortness of breath and

1108
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: thought he was having a heart attack. Okay, man, I

1109
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: don't have an updat as to whether or not he lived.

1110
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: I assume he did. Moving on, for the scene in

1111
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: which Julius Stiles reads the titular poem in class, that

1112
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: was done in one take, and the tears she cried

1113
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: were not planned, she later told Cosmo. When it came

1114
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: to filming, I never expected that I was going to

1115
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: start crying. I don't know why I did, whether connected

1116
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: to something going on at the time, or if I

1117
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: was just overwhelmed by the whole experience of making my

1118
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: first big movie. I thought that was going to be

1119
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: much more touching, and she simply said she did just

1120
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: cried for no reason.

1121
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: Well, you'll see this more.

1122
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: Furthermore, director gil Junger told The New York Times that

1123
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: her performance made him cry too. I did everything I

1124
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: could to cover my mouth and nose because I was

1125
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: crying so hard. It was such an amazing performance. The

1126
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 2: take in the film is the first take.

1127
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: I think.

1128
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: I jumped up and just hugged her for the longest time.

1129
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: Gil Junger always makes mouth sounds when he's on a

1130
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: hot mic.

1131
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: Oh.

1132
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: Despite the rumored affair between Heath and Julie, gil Junger

1133
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: says that Julie was actually in love with Joseph Gordon

1134
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: Levitt and it was her affection for him that drew

1135
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: this impassioned performance out of her. He has said this

1136
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 2: in numerous interviews over the years, including one to the

1137
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: Spanish outlet Miria ken En Condre. I asked her where

1138
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 2: did that come from? And she told me, I was

1139
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: just thinking about the person's name that she was deeply

1140
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: in love with at the time. It wasn't me, certainly,

1141
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: but it wasn't Heath either. She for a minute or

1142
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: ten went out with Joseph Gordon Levitt. They were very,

1143
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: very attracted to each other. I should know. I was watching.

1144
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: She's prof saying her love to Ledger and she's in

1145
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: love with the guy waiting in his trailer to shoot

1146
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: the next scene. Watching them, it was beautiful how much

1147
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: they enjoyed each other.

1148
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: God, this guy is weird. I should know. I was watching.

1149
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: For legal reasons. We should say that we have no

1150
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: evidence to clan that killed or acted inappropriately on the

1151
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: set of this film.

1152
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just reading between in between a lot of lines.

1153
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: As you meditate on that, we'll be right back with

1154
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: more too much information after these messages. Great soundtrack time

1155
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: capsule time capsule of a soundtrack. Cardigan's semi sonic sister

1156
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: Hazel Say Ferris performs at the John Hughes style prom

1157
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: alongside Letters to Cleo, friend of mine's uncle.

1158
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: Was briefly in that band. It's a Boston bustinary band.

1159
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: Letters to Cleo.

1160
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: Performed the second best known song in this movie, a

1161
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: cover of Nikola's Cruel to Be Kind, the title of

1162
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: which is a line from Shakespeare. They are also the

1163
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: band who covered Cheap Tricks. I Want You to Want

1164
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: me on the roof of the school at the end

1165
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: of the movie, which you naturally took to be an

1166
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: homage to the Beatles.

1167
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: It's probably not.

1168
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 2: Start doing Voorshak tests with you and just say does

1169
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: this remind you of the Beatles? John Jordan, does this

1170
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: remind you of the Beatles? Looks like my parents divorce.

1171
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: It's an actual picture. It's an actual picture of John

1172
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: and Paul. Apparently, director Gil Junger asked Disney if they

1173
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: could do this very costly scene and the company said no.

1174
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: So instead, this first time director decided to lie to

1175
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: the producer and say that Disney said it was okay, And.

1176
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: They didn't even get a permit to get the shot either.

1177
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: He went rogue, getting a bunch of high schoolers and

1178
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: getting a bunch of sexy sexy teens and a few

1179
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: bands up on a rooftop on an extremely windy day.

1180
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 2: And naturally it.

1181
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: Was just one band. To be fair, it was just

1182
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: one band. Oh so sorry.

1183
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: It was just letters to clear and a bunch of

1184
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: sexy sexy teens.

1185
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: Letters to clear.

1186
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 2: Lead singer Kay Hanley evocatively described the scene to The

1187
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: New York Times in twenty nineteen. We're all arranged on

1188
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: top of this postage stamp sized roof with chicken wire

1189
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: him protecting us from toppling to our deaths into the

1190
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 2: Puget Sound. The overhead shots were achieved by a helicopter,

1191
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: and they were told that each flyover cost half a

1192
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 2: million dollars, so it was very important that they didn't

1193
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: get up. Unfortunately, director Gil Junger didn't tell them that

1194
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 2: he was going to order the pilot to practically fly

1195
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: into them. Singer Kay Hanley continued, as we started playing,

1196
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: we saw the helicopter appear off in the distance. It's

1197
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 2: hard to sa say how far it was at first

1198
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: because we were up so high in the air. But

1199
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, the helicopter does this dive

1200
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: bomb directly toward us. Is the helicopter out of control?

1201
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: Is it supposed to be coming at us like this?

1202
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, don't up keep singing the song. It

1203
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,479
Speaker 2: costs five hundred grand every time the copter takes off.

1204
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: It was unbelievably scary, but it turned out to be

1205
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: such an amazing shot. According to one interview, Kay said

1206
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 2: that she literally peed her pants.

1207
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, we literally lost its meaning. Can we

1208
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: confirm that.

1209
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 2: Can we run that down to a fact check department,

1210
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: the research the iHeart research department.

1211
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: Well, while I run that down, did you know that

1212
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: Gil Junger actually wanted this to be the soundtrack to

1213
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: the movie that they were going to play off on

1214
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: the roof?

1215
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,439
Speaker 3: Do you know what it's time for?

1216
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: Oh?

1217
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 3: No, a sexy party?

1218
01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: It's wow? Watching that, Yeah, that's so obscene. I wasn't

1219
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: even gonna watch it because I know it. But watching

1220
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: it and as if pretending that that's the director of

1221
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: Ten Things I Hate About You made it so much funnier.

1222
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: Killed johnner Man.

1223
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why he was so comfortable being pervy, because

1224
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: he knew that there was a chance he might kill them.

1225
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 2: I just wanted he wanted to go out on top.

1226
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: If I'm going to John landis this bitch, I'm going

1227
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: to make sure that I've got my jolly's with these

1228
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: sexy teens first.

1229
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in a way, it's surprising that

1230
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: his career didn't do better because when Ten Things I

1231
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: Hated About You was released on March thirty first, nineteen

1232
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: ninety nine, it was a huge critical and commercial success.

1233
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: It grossed something like sixty million dollars against the thirteen

1234
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: million dollar budget, and it serves as a springboard for

1235
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: many of its stars, including Julia Stiles, Joseph Gordon Levitt,

1236
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: and of course, Heath Fledger. Here he is again. I

1237
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: forgot I had a mayor. Director Gil Junger warned Heath

1238
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: about the attention that he would receive following the release

1239
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: of the film, as he recalled a huff Poe. I

1240
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: told Heath, look, I just want you to know that

1241
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: when this movie comes out, you're not gonna know what

1242
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: hate you. People are going to be clamoring to work

1243
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: with you, and I bet your next offer is going

1244
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: to be a million dollars. And as a new friend,

1245
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: I was just telling him to do his best to

1246
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: remain who he was, an old soul, mature, not distracted

1247
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: by drugs. Then he said to me, I really appreciate

1248
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: the advice, but rather than worry about what's going to happen,

1249
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: help me be the best I can today. For an

1250
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: eighteen year old who's getting his first movie, I thought

1251
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: he was nineteen, and that first movie is with a

1252
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: Disney studio, and that director of your first movie telling

1253
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: you you're going to be a huge star. Any kid

1254
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: would have been like, oh, man, that's so cool. I

1255
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: hope so, but not Heath. He just wanted to be

1256
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: the best he could in that moment. That's so telling

1257
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: of who he was. Or you're his director and not

1258
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: his life coach, and he just wanted to make my

1259
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: shirt off at the time.

1260
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: You know, Keith, if you ever just want to come

1261
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: over and run lines, I can pick you up in

1262
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: the van, or if you ever want to like you

1263
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: ever just want to read some Byron together.

1264
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: Heath reportedly turned down offers of similar teen movies after

1265
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: his turn on Tendings I Hate About You because he

1266
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 1: was fearful of getting type cast. Obligatory memoriam for Heath,

1267
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: he started in sixteen films prior to his death due

1268
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: to accidental drug intoxication on January twenty second, two thousand

1269
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: and eight, at the age of twenty eight. During his

1270
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: two brief career, he earned two OSCAR nominations, posthumously, winning

1271
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 1: for Best Supporting Actor in two thousand and nine for

1272
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: The Dark Night. While researching this movie's legacy, I was

1273
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: surprised to stumble on a short lived TV adaptation that

1274
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: aired on ABC Family for a single season in two

1275
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. Gil Junger directed the pilot and I

1276
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: think a few other episodes too, but Larry Miller, who

1277
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: played Cat and Bianca's father, was the only cast member

1278
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: to reprise his role from the feature film, but the

1279
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: TV adaptations co starred Nicholas Braun aka cousin Greg from

1280
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: Succession as the Joseph Gordon Levitt character Cameron James. And

1281
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 1: I also learned thanks to friend of the Pod Max Biddle,

1282
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 1: I hope I'm saying your name right, that Nicholas Braun's dad,

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Speaker 1: Craig Braun, designed the lips logo for the Rolling Stones,

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Speaker 1: as well as the cover for Sticky Fingers, the Who's

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Speaker 1: Tommy soundtrack, Alice Cooper's Schools Out, the Carpenter's logo All

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Speaker 1: look up Craig Brown's Wikipedia pays It's really not so

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Speaker 1: many iconic rock designs he is responsible for, so so

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Speaker 1: that's weird. I'm glad we got to the Rolling Stones

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Speaker 1: from te Thing's Head about you in an authentic way

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Speaker 1: in this episode. Have you seen cousin Greg. No, he's tall.

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Speaker 1: He's a tall boy. Well that goes a long way.

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Speaker 1: Apparently he gets smoked salmon from the same place I do.

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Speaker 1: In Williamsburg.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the thing is is that I'm not

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Speaker 2: looking ahead him through my eyes. I'm looking at him

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Speaker 2: through Gil Junger's eyes. Oh but he's six seven?

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Speaker 1: Was he leisure to all? I don't know. He was

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Speaker 1: probably actually short. Yeah, I could see that he's got

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Speaker 1: that like kind of brit rock star Jimmy Page, George Harrison.

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Speaker 1: I thought you'd be taller, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yes.

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Speaker 1: Gil Junger directed the pilot. But a guy called Carter

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Speaker 1: Covington is the one who created the Ten Things They

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Speaker 1: Hate About You show weirdly, or maybe not, because they

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Speaker 1: knew it was gonna be bad. The original screenwriters, Kristen

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Speaker 1: Smith and Karen mccullall were not involved. At the show.

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Speaker 1: Covington decided to move the focus of the series away

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Speaker 1: from the romantic relationships and instead onto the relationship between

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Speaker 1: the two sisters. Hey somewhat evolved take for a ABC

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Speaker 1: Family show, but a poor one. I love the movie,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people love the movie,

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Speaker 1: Covington told the Futon critic. I know there can be

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Speaker 1: a lot of backlash when you try to turn a

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Speaker 1: hit movie into a television show, but I'd always wanted

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Speaker 1: to do a show about siblings. I think the Sibling

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Speaker 1: Dyed is incredibly ripe for comedy. Audiences disagree. In a

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Speaker 1: world overrun with half baked sequels and remakes, it seems

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Speaker 1: shocking that there hasn't been a fifteen Things I Hate

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Speaker 1: about You or eight Things I Hate about You, or

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Speaker 1: some other equally questionable take. But don't worry, they tried.

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Speaker 1: Director Gil Junger wrote a sequel called Ten Things I

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Speaker 1: Hate About Life, and he reportedly tried to send the

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Speaker 1: script to Heath Ledger. As he told Hoffing can Post

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Speaker 1: two weeks before Heath died, I was just finishing a

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Speaker 1: script for him that I wanted him to star in

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Speaker 1: Ten Things I Hate About Life. I called Steve Alexander,

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Speaker 1: Heath's agent, and asked if Heath could give me a

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Speaker 1: call so I could share this exciting project with him.

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Speaker 1: He said Heath would be taking no work calls at

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Speaker 1: all while he's filming Dark Night, because he's so far

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Speaker 1: into the character that he can't get out of it,

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Speaker 1: and he's having incredible trouble sleeping. That role shook him.

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Speaker 1: He took it so seriously and so professionally and so

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Speaker 1: profoundly that he couldn't escape it.

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Speaker 2: I should know about people not being able to escape.

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Speaker 1: But if he's the Ledgers alive and he just faked

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Speaker 1: his own death, try to get away from this guilt

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Speaker 1: and not make this movie. Following Heath's death, Junger kept

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Speaker 1: tinkering with his script, which was more of an unofficial sequel.

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Speaker 1: He described it to Variety in twenty twelve as quote

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Speaker 1: the story of two relatable, ordinary people with normal jobs

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Speaker 1: and normal desires, who seemingly great lives have become unmanageable.

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Speaker 1: Two people who go to the same place at the

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Speaker 1: same time to end it. Their chance meeting is so awkward,

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Speaker 1: so raw, and so funny, they postpone their intentions, presumably

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Speaker 1: ending it, and go their separate ways, which is very

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Speaker 1: similar to a Nick Hornby book I called A Long

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Speaker 1: Way Down, about a bunch of people, if I'm remembering correctly,

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Speaker 1: who meet on New Year's Eve at the top of

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Speaker 1: a building and they all plan to jump off, I think,

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Speaker 1: and the same thing happens. They decide how hilarious it is,

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Speaker 1: how ridiculous their circumstances, they all decide to live, and

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Speaker 1: then I think the story is told every year on

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Speaker 1: New Year's they meet up it's almost like a little

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Speaker 1: support group or something. I don't I've read it in

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Speaker 1: a while. It was a good book anyway, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Evan Rachel Wood was eventually tapped to be the female

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Speaker 1: lead in Ten Things Ahead about life, and filming began

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Speaker 1: in late twenty twelve, but was interrupted after two months

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Speaker 1: due to management changes at the production company and also

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Speaker 1: Evan Rachel Wood's pregnancy. In late twenty thirteen, when production

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Speaker 1: was set to resume, Wood left the project, claiming that

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Speaker 1: the producers were unable to pay her a salary. The

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Speaker 1: producers then suit her for thirty million dollars for breach

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Speaker 1: of contract. Her lawyers responded that Wood was never adequately

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Speaker 1: paid for the work she'd already done since the production

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Speaker 1: company had run out of money. There have been some

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Speaker 1: production stills at about thirty minutes of footage from this

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Speaker 1: project that have surfaced, but as of twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: the lawsuit is ongoing, and it's been stated by the

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Speaker 1: producers and Gil Junger that the film will never be completed,

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Speaker 1: thus sparing us a sequel. Nobody asks for for this

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Speaker 1: great beloved nineties teen classic. What else is there to

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Speaker 1: say about Ten Things I Hate about You. It's a

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Speaker 1: quality movie that didn't talk down to its young audience,

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Speaker 1: respected the intense emotions from that age, and more or

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Speaker 1: less told you not to change yourself for anyone. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's cool in that regard. It's the anti Grease.

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Speaker 1: If Sandy at the end of Grease completely changes herself

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Speaker 1: to win over her desire of her affections, this one's

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Speaker 1: the total opposite. Might be accepted for who you are,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's wonderful. It's a well made movie,

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Speaker 1: the great message, great performances without taking itself too seriously.

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Speaker 1: I feel like both of these displayed the duality of

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Speaker 1: this great movie. The first of these messages was a sweet,

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Speaker 1: candid photo of Heath with the caption reading, this Sunday

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Speaker 1: marks the twentieth anniversary of the release of Ten Things

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Speaker 1: I Hate About You, and all I can think about

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Speaker 1: is this kind soul, this leader, this talent, my friend

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Speaker 1: just too good to be true. And then he followed

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Speaker 1: up this message with a photo of himself from the

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Speaker 1: film with a penis crudely drawn on his face. There

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Speaker 1: you have the yin and yang of Ten Things I

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Speaker 1: Hate About You? Was was it? Youngers?

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Speaker 2: It comes over a shirt less like, Hey boys.

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Speaker 1: David, you are quite the artist. Ah, do you need

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Speaker 1: any figure? Do you do any figure studies? Have you ever?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to?

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Speaker 2: Why don't you and Keith come to my trailer after this? Keith, Keith,

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Speaker 2: he could sue us over this. Make sure you cut

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Speaker 2: enough of these that were not libels. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 2: for listening, folks, everybody you know, stay young at heart.

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Speaker 2: I'm Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan Runtalg.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time if Gil Junger hasn't sued

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Speaker 1: us into oblivion yet. Too Much Information was a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and

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Speaker 1: Jordan Runtogg. The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 2: The show was researched, written and hosted by Jordan Runtogg

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Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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Speaker 1: If you like what you heard, please subscribe and leave

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