1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, we are going 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: to take a little bit of a tour back in 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: time to Butler, Pennsylvania, because I have Selena Zito with me. 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: She is a veteran political reporter with more than twenty 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: years of experience based in the swing state of Pennsylvania. 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: And I believe Western Pennsylvania, which is where I was born, 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: where my parents grew up. 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 2: So as I was reading this book, I didn't know that. Yeah. 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: And as I'm reading this same my dad's from Pittsburgh, 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: and I'm reading this book and I'm like, man, this 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: it was so powerful because just the way you talked 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: about seeing someone in Pittsburgh being so small, and all 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: of the conversations throughout this book about Pennsylvania were very 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: meaningful to me, but I think so meaningful to the 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: entire country. So she's written a book. It's called Butler. 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to hold it up here so you can see. 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: And I said to you before we got on, it's 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: so much more than Butler. 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: So thank you for writing this. 20 00:00:59,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: Thank you. 21 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 4: It is is so much more than Butler. 22 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: Obviously, that's a very pivotal moment, right, I think all 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 3: of us have seen to some degree or another what happened, 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: either through television or social media, or you knew someone 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: or you were there. 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 4: However, the story of Butler is the story of the 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 4: heartland of this country. And whether you live in Pennsylvania 28 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 4: or Michigan, or Ohio or Wisconsin, North Carolina, anywhere. 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 5: That that that is often sort of not thot thought 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 5: of as part of elite culture, right right, you. 31 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 4: Can see yourself and you can feel and you will 32 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 4: you read that book and you're like, I know these people. 33 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 4: I see these people every day. That's my family, that's me, 34 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: that's my neighbors. 35 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 5: And that is I think what is part of what's 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 5: most compelling about the book, not not just the you 37 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 5: know that day and what led up to that day, 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 5: but it also explains why President Trump picks places like Butler. 39 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: To go to, why he picks smaller places in Michigan 40 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: or Wisconsin or Ashtabula, Ohio, wherever he shows up. He 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 4: has this intuitive understanding of seeing people that are rarely 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 4: seen and being able. 43 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 5: To showcase those people throughout the country by showing up 44 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 5: in their towns. 45 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: Well, as I'm reading this, you know, you start with 46 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: the day of stress and getting ready, and it's so relatable. 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: As I'm reading this, I'm like everybody who has ever 48 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: had anything for business to get to understands this. And 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: if you've been through a Trump rally, you really understand 50 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: this because there's that moment where you're like, we have 51 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 1: this much time to get there. We've got to get 52 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: through the line, we've got to get through security, and 53 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: you had the most important day. You're interviewing the president. 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: Your daughter is going with you, she's going to take pictures, 55 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: and you have all this anticipation of what it's going 56 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: to be. It's hot, you're preparing for that, and I 57 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: think reading it, you're in a different position because we 58 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: already know what's about to happen, but you're taking us 59 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: through the before, even the before with the president because 60 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: you talk about getting there and they're rushing you in 61 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: and you think you the plans change at the last minute. 62 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: You think you're interviewing him after the rally, they rush 63 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: you in. You're like, oh my goodness, are we going 64 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: to interview him now? But you have this rare few 65 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: minutes to just talk to him. And that, to me 66 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: is the behind the scenes that so many people will 67 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: never know. If you don't read this book, is that 68 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: you get to walk in there and see him just 69 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: moments before he is shot, and he talks to you 70 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: and he's so welcoming, he's so warm, and he's so 71 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 1: excited for the people, and he talks about what you think. 72 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: He's also very inquisitive about how you feel about things 73 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: throughout the whole book book. 74 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: Every time you talk to him, you. 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: See this side of the president that some of us know, 76 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: that most people don't believe is real, and you capture 77 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: it so beautifully in this book, not only that day, 78 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: but when he returns to Butler. And I think that 79 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: when you talk about the return to Butler, that part 80 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: of the book to me was even more powerful because 81 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: he's so concerned with Corey's family, the firefighter who died, 82 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: and you talk about how there's a true weight on 83 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: him that someone was lost, And I knew that was 84 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: how he felt, but to see how you captured it 85 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: in words was incredible. 86 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, We've had several very powerful conversations about Butler about 87 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 4: what happened that day, about face. You know that you 88 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 4: read the book and his real sort of awakening to 89 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: the mean hand was on me. 90 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: That was powerful. 91 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, the hand of God when he said that. You know, 92 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 5: he said that to me the day after the shooting. 93 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 5: This is in the book. I'll give people a little 94 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 5: a little window into it. But he calls me early 95 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 5: the next morning, and before I even say hello, he says, 96 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 5: this is Donald Trump, Like I don't know, it's Donald. 97 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 4: Trump, right, And the first thing he asks is, how 98 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 4: are you, Selena? How is your daughter and your son 99 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 4: in law? Because my daughter is a photo journalist. She 100 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 4: is often with me in the field covering just everyday events, 101 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 4: let alone a big interview like this. And we dragged 102 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: my son in law along with us for a complete 103 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: vanity reason. Right, there's gonna be one hundred and one 104 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: degrees that day, and it was, and we thought, well, 105 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 4: we'll make him carry all the equipment so we look 106 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: nice and you know, crisp and clean. That did not happen. 107 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 4: I mean, he carried everything, but we did not look 108 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 4: crisp and cream. 109 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 5: We were sweaty, and you know, I have Italian hair. 110 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 6: It was. 111 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 4: There's this famous scene in the Friends show where Monica 112 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 4: says it's the humidity because her hair got really big. 113 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 5: And I always feel like I have to say I 114 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 5: have to make an excuse for my hair, right, but 115 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 5: you know so, so he called and he said are 116 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 5: you okay? And I did something that I rarely do, No, 117 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 5: I've never done with the President. 118 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 4: I swore I. 119 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 6: Did say, are you kidding me? 120 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 5: You were the one that was shot, not me, But 121 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 5: that empathy and compassion and concern was the first thing 122 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 5: out of his mouth. 123 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 6: And people will. 124 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 5: Find out that moment will come to life in a minute, bigger, 125 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 5: more profound way later in those conversations that day. 126 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 6: He called me seven times that day. 127 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 5: When he talks about people think that that President Trump 128 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 5: said a fight, fight, fight for a vanity reason, right, 129 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 5: like for a photo off. There is a very deep 130 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 5: and profound reason why he says that. 131 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 6: And I can't wait. 132 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 5: Till people read about that, because it was It even 133 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 5: took my breath away that that in that moment, you know, 134 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 5: you don't know how you're going to act in a 135 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 5: moment of crisis and in a moment of being shot 136 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 5: at right. 137 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: Right exactly, That's what I've always said. You can't plan 138 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: for that. 139 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 5: No, we don't sit down in ho at home and go, well, 140 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 5: if I'm shot, this is what I'm going to do, right, 141 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 5: but but you know, the way the kids thought process 142 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 5: and why he did that, I think. 143 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 6: Is going to low people's It's really powerful. 144 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: And even even getting to see it from your perspective 145 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: is incredibly powerful because you were right so many of us. 146 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think probably the entire world has watched 147 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: that moment on TV. You hear the shots, you see 148 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: him grab his ear, you see him stand back up. 149 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: So many people have seen what happened on TV. But 150 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: you were right there. 151 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: It's almost like, I mean, that's a god thing too. 152 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: You were placed there because you're the storyteller and you 153 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: tell the stories so beautifully. And I mean just from 154 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: this from not only what you see as you go down, 155 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: you're being held down on the ground too. That I 156 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: also found fascinating. You were immediately protected. People were talking 157 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: about you know, it was total chaos, but you have 158 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: a secret Service agent who has his hand on you. 159 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: He's protecting you in that moment. It's his first instinct 160 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: is to make sure the people around him are safe. 161 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: But just the sounds that you hear, the I mean, 162 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: the way you describe the cheers and then the blood 163 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: curdling scream and all of the things that happened. 164 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: It was as I'm. 165 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: Reading the book. It takes you into that moment so perfectly. 166 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, and I'm tearing up, you know, 167 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm reading this and I'm like, gosh, you were there. 168 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: You saw you could see that you had a bird's 169 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: eye view of the president. 170 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was only a few feet away. 171 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 5: And actually the person who so I when the first 172 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 5: four shots went off, I'm a gun owner. I knew 173 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 5: exactly what it was. I didn't get down. I don't 174 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 5: know what that is in me that happened. But I 175 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 5: just like, have a job to do and I'm gonna 176 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 5: do it. And and the second four shots go off 177 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 5: and four, yeah, it felt like four. And I could 178 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 5: still hear them in my head. The guy who took 179 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 5: me down, he wasn't a secret service agent. He was 180 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 5: the campaign's press leap. Oh, this young man, you know, 181 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 5: in his late twenties, just was so brave and so 182 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 5: detective just took me down on the ground and laid 183 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 5: on top of me until he knew everything was all clear. 184 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 5: And just his comportment, his composure, his professionalism, but also 185 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 5: his compassion in that moment. That young man, to me 186 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 5: is someone that is also a gift from God. He 187 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 5: is an angel because he really responded. You know, some 188 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 5: people step up in a moment. He didn't have to 189 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 5: do that. 190 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 6: I was a reporter, he's a press a. 191 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 5: You know, you want to protect yourself, right, There was 192 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 5: no reason for him to make the decisions that he did, 193 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 5: and yet he did. 194 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 195 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. And as I'm reading this, I'm like, 196 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: all of these people they came together. There was nobody 197 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: who ran. That was the other fascinating thing. It wasn't 198 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: total chaos. And that young man he could have bolted. 199 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 2: All of these people could have just been running scattered. 200 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: But even and that was a conversation that you had 201 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: with the president too. Even he was like, you know, 202 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: the people, they didn't freak out, they didn't run. 203 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it has part part and part a 204 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 5: large part has to do with just the mindset of 205 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 5: the people that attended Trump rally. 206 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 6: You know, there have been. 207 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 5: All sorts of horrible stories written about what journalists and 208 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 5: I'm I'm a journalist, but what journalists think Trump. 209 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,239 Speaker 6: Supporters are right, all sorts. 210 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 5: Of derogatory comments thrown their way, violent, racist, whatever, you know, 211 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 5: whatever is for they want to use, however, has never 212 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 5: been I've been to dozens and dozens of them covering 213 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 5: them as a reporter, and that has never been my experience. 214 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 5: My experience has always been it's like a Jimmy Buffett concert. 215 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 6: Right, except the people trade in parrot. 216 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 5: Hats and and and and Hawaiian shirts for patriotic gear. 217 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 5: People are believe they're part of something bigger than self. 218 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 5: There with people there to celebrate and and so you know, 219 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 5: you take that mindset and and you you place it 220 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 5: in a in a in a very horrific scenario. And 221 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 5: the response, while it was surprising in the moment, as 222 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 5: you're more reflective, you understand, well, of course that's how 223 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 5: they behave well. Of course, people were taking care of 224 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 5: each other, of course, no one can. Much of that 225 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 5: had to do with how the president handled when he 226 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 5: was shot and getting up and showing strength, but a 227 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 5: lot of it just had to do with these people 228 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 5: that are part of something bigger than self, and and 229 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 5: and so when people left the. 230 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 6: Farm show complex, which is like a huge farm field. 231 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 5: Basically they just left very orderly, They were very quiet. 232 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 5: I was held in the back for over an hour 233 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 5: before they let me and several other photo journalists and 234 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 5: my daughter and my son in law out. I think 235 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 5: they thought we were injured. I mean, most people who 236 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 5: saw that sort of iconic photo because it was on 237 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 5: the front. 238 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 6: Pages of a lot of papers the day. 239 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 5: After with Michelle McCard the campaign on top of me. 240 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 5: All you see are my legs in my booth, my boots. 241 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 5: Thank god, I wore a score that day. I'm just saying, 242 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 5: thank goodness I had to wearwithal because my legs were 243 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 5: all up in the air. But people recognized me because 244 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 5: I always wear cowboy booths everywhere with a skirt dressed 245 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 5: gown my daughter's wedding, I always have cowboy So there 246 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 5: were a lot of people that thought I had died, 247 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 5: you know, including members of my own family wow, because 248 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 5: of that photo. But but I'm getting ahead of myself, 249 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 5: as when we came out, there was nothing left in 250 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 5: the farm field, right. 251 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 6: Everybody had exited. 252 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 5: Everybody had exited very quietly, and there's that sort of 253 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 5: beautiful crane with the American flag is still flowing. 254 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 6: It was very powerful to see that there were water 255 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 6: bottles all over the place. 256 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 5: The garbage cans had become overflown, and you know, people 257 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 5: just drop them to get out there. And there was 258 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 5: a wheelchair in the middle of the farm field, but 259 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 5: yet there was no panic. And we get over the 260 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 5: hill to where they had the parking area and nobody 261 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 5: had left because they didn't let anybody leave. This I 262 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 5: saw the most miraculous thing. People were out of their cars, 263 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 5: they were talking, they were hugging, they were sharing food, 264 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 5: they were sharing water, and it was you know, and 265 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 5: I talked to other journalists that cover the that day 266 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 5: and they said they never saw anything like it. You know, 267 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 5: there was just this calmness that was really something to 268 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 5: be admired in that moment. 269 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: Even when you talk about going back and sitting with 270 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: in that hour that you're sitting with the other journalists 271 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: back there, just the emotion that you go through and 272 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: that you talk about that's in that room in the moment, 273 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: and it's so real and it's so raw, and it 274 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: really I love the way it takes us into this 275 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: glimpse that none of us would have seen. 276 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: But then that's not it. 277 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: I want people to know that the book is so 278 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: much there's so much more depth than that, because you 279 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: take us through the campaign, then you kind of bring 280 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: us full circle back to but. 281 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: And you take us through all of the other things. 282 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: You take us through Puerto Rico, and you talked about 283 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: the reporters. 284 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: That want to attack the president on a regular basis 285 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: and say he's racist, and that this was the moment 286 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: that they thought, Okay, we've got him. Now we're going 287 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: to raise Kama up and this is it for him. 288 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: But the whole time, you. 289 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: Knew there's like this understanding inside of you. And I 290 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: think it was what you said at the beginning that 291 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: you knew the people. You knew the dedication of the 292 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: people who wanted to see the country preserved, and they 293 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: believed that Donald Trump is the person to do that. 294 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: And I think he's proven that he is restoring the country. Mean, 295 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: we don't have border crossings anymore, we don't have all 296 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: of this chaos in the world. Donald Trump is truly 297 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: a man of the people. But you also take us 298 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: through something that I think is so important because of 299 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: what we're seeing in New York right now. And I 300 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: want to kind of dive deep into this because we 301 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: see Mom, Donnie, and he is this man of a 302 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: million faces. I don't know if any if you've ever 303 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: watched Game of Thrones, there's this way to put it. Yeah, 304 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: there's this there's this scene in Game of Thrones, and 305 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever watched it, but it's 306 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: like the faceless man and they can become anyone. And 307 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: that's that is like, this is literally an evil character 308 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: in a television show that can become anyone. And that's 309 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: who I see Mom Donnie being. However, I think that 310 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: the play is off of who Donald Trump truly is, 311 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: but he's not trying to play. And that's what you 312 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: capture so well. Is he goes into McDonald's and you 313 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: talk about how there's a joy and people go, man, 314 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: there's a joy people enjoy seeing someone say I want 315 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: to be with you, guys. It's not that he's impersonating someone. 316 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: He wants to be with the people. You capture that 317 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: so well, and I think that's what the Democrat Party 318 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: is trying to to steal. 319 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: But they're using actors. 320 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, President Trump. I remember the first time 321 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 5: I interviewed him and thinking, Okay, this is the public 322 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 5: perception of him. He's this three time married playboy dating 323 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 5: Howard Stern regular who you know who has constructed you know, 324 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 5: lives in a gold high rise in Tower Trump Tower 325 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 5: in New York. Right, that's the construct that that people 326 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 5: are are handed. Right, he's not going to have a 327 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 5: connection to the working class. That it's all a mirage. 328 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 5: So I sit down with him in Pittsburgh in September 329 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 5: of twenty sixteen, and we're at a shale conference. This 330 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 5: is Marcella Shale. It's just starting to it's sort of 331 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 5: in its sixth year. It's really starting to boom because 332 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 5: shale hadn't been discovered in Pennsylvania until I think two 333 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 5: thousand and nine, twenty ten, right, so this is just 334 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 5: taking off. And at this convention are all of these 335 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 5: what I call suits, right, these wealthy they're not bad people, 336 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 5: they're just you know, sort of wealthy and successful, and 337 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 5: you know, and they want a piece of him, right, 338 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 5: they want to talk to them. And then there's the 339 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 5: guys and girls that work in the oil fields, right, 340 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 5: they're there too. And then there are the people that 341 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 5: are working the event. Right, they're the ones behind the 342 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 5: curt the janitors, the people, the caterers, the electricians, the plumbers, right, 343 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 5: they're all moving around they're all moving parts behind the scene. 344 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 6: They're what makes the convention happen, right, they. 345 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 5: Are what makes everything look beautiful on the other side 346 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 5: of the curt So President Trump and I sit down 347 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 5: and we do the interview. It's in that interview that 348 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 5: I say to him, you know, sir, it's been my 349 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 5: experience that voters take you seriously, but they don't take 350 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 5: everything you say literally, whereas my profession takes you literally. 351 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 5: They don't take you all that seriously. And he thought 352 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 5: about that, and he goes, oh, that's a really interesting way 353 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 5: to look at it. 354 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 6: And so after the interview, he says, come on, let's 355 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 6: go take a walk. 356 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 5: And I'm like, okay, mind you, this is the first 357 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 5: time I've ever met him. So we leave what was 358 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 5: a curtain dop area called the green room, and we 359 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 5: start walking through. 360 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 6: The back of the convention hall. 361 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 5: That's where all the regular people are, right, the janitors, 362 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 5: the plumbers, the caterers, the people pushing around carts of water. 363 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 5: And he just starts going up and talking to them. 364 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 5: No cameras are there, right, it's you know, all on background. 365 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 5: It's not on the record. And so he's not getting 366 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 5: anything from this, right, this is not a performance. 367 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 6: And he starts to talking back and forth with them 368 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 6: about their lives. What do you do, why do you 369 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 6: do it? How many you know? 370 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 5: Are you married, did you go to college? How long 371 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 5: has your family lived in your neighborhood? That kind of thing, right, 372 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 5: the normal kinds of things you have have when you 373 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 5: have a conversation with someone that you just met. And 374 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 5: it was in that moment that I understood him. That 375 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 5: what his two superpowers are. That is his curiosity about 376 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 5: people's lives. That's a sense of humanity that most politicians 377 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 5: do not possess. They wish they did, They try to bag, 378 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 5: but they don't possess. If you've ever had a conversation 379 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 5: with a politician, seven times out of ten, if you're lucky, 380 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 5: they don't look past you while you're talking, right, they 381 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 5: look at you Trump. That's one of Trump's superpowers. He 382 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 5: never takes his eyes off of you when he's talking 383 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 5: to you. He doesn't look away, he doesn't look past you. 384 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 5: He looks at he looks he's he's in the moment 385 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 5: with you. Uh. And the other superpower is, you know, 386 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 5: this is a guy from the outer borough. He's not 387 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 5: from Manhattan. Right. And so there's this this sort of 388 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 5: layers of elitism in New York where if you're from 389 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 5: the outskirts, the outer borough, right, you're not part of 390 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 5: the club. 391 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 6: Your all your new money, you're not old money. 392 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 5: And and he spent a lot of his life and 393 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 5: coming up in the business of building in real estate, 394 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 5: working with the men and women that bake stuff. So 395 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 5: his connective tissue is and this is the thing that 396 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 5: my profession really missed, is his connective tissue is for the. 397 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 6: Everyman, is with the everyman, and it's genuine. 398 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 5: His connective tissue isn't with the people that that were 399 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 5: from Manhattan, that were from Park Avenue. 400 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 6: Ye, he got there, but just like the rest of. 401 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 5: The people who want to earn their way up in life, 402 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 5: you know, he never forgot the people that made that 403 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 5: made his success possible. 404 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: I think what you're saying right now is so critical 405 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 1: because there is a huge difference between a Donald Trump 406 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: and a JD. 407 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: Pritzker. 408 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: JD. Pritzker is a he's a born billionaire. He has 409 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: had a silver spoon in his mouth. He has no connection. 410 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: And I've seen this across many different areas of my life. 411 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: When you meet somebody who built their own wealth as 412 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: opposed to somebody who has always grown up with wealth. 413 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: There is a huge difference in the way they connect 414 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: to humanity. I mean, they just have had a different life, 415 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: They've had different experiences, They've had to fight for what 416 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: they have. And I think that that instant reaction of fight, fight, fight, 417 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: keep going was really what he was saying, don't. 418 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: Let this stop. 419 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: I think that's because inside of him, he's always been building, 420 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: always been building. 421 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 5: I have, I've been around, I've been in the field 422 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 5: a long time. 423 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 6: I approach. 424 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 5: Journalism and covering politics and culture, and you know, those 425 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 5: two overlap in so many ways, in a very different way, 426 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 5: but it's a way that used to be the standard. 427 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 5: So I don't fly, not because I'm afraid to. I 428 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 5: fall asleep as soon as I get on a plane, 429 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 5: so you know, you can throw the fear thing out. 430 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 5: But I don't fly because I would miss so much 431 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 5: of what happens between point A and point B. I 432 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 5: also don't take interstates. I only take back rows because 433 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 5: if you take an interstate, you may as well fly, 434 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 5: because you know, the only place you stop is like 435 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 5: at an interchange, and it's the same gas station and 436 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 5: the same. 437 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 6: Foods place, and you know, Strip Mall, and then you're 438 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 6: back on and you really don't under the understand the 439 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 6: depths of what's happening in the country, what places are 440 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 6: doing good, what places are not doing good? 441 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 5: Why, how you know? And you don't learn about the 442 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 5: resiliency of the American people if you're on an airplane. 443 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 5: So you know, I take the reader back a little 444 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 5: bit so that they understand why President Trump picks showing up. 445 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 6: In places like Butler. 446 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 5: Right, If anybody's old enough to remember the song Allentown, 447 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 5: there was a Billy Joel song and it's very sort 448 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 5: of mournful and nostalgic about the decay of this hometown 449 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 5: because the loss of manufacturing and then the trick will 450 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 5: effect it had on churches and neighborhoods. Right. And there 451 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 5: were people when that song came out all across the 452 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 5: country that sang along with They'd never even been to Allentown. 453 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 5: But it's because Allentown represented so many places across the country. 454 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 5: It became a cultural touchdown. And that's what places like 455 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 5: East Palestine are. Yeah, that's what places like Butler are. 456 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 5: There's only been two presidents that have ever campaigned for 457 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 5: election for president in the entirety of our country in Butler, 458 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 5: and that was JFK and Donald Trump. 459 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 460 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 461 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: The fact that you bring up that there were two 462 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: attempted assassinations on presidents there was fascinating. 463 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, so President Trump, it is not the only president 464 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 5: to have been shot at right by their ear. 465 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 6: In Butler. George Washington won. This was well and I 466 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 6: won't give too much away, but. 467 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 5: I think what is important about understanding two presidents, two 468 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 5: presidents of consequence right, like the country will look incredibly 469 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 5: different had they not been president. 470 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: Maybe that journey you take us on, Honestly, that is 471 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: worth going into this book and reading it because it 472 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: just the way you take us through that journey, and 473 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: then the reaction of President Trump when you talk to him, 474 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: it brings it all together in such a powerful way. 475 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: I really appreciated that. 476 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 6: Thank you so much. 477 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 5: I think I hope, I hope that people understand that 478 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 5: this book isn't just about Butler, although that is a 479 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 5: pivotable and powerful moment, but it's also a story and 480 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 5: a journey through America and I'm up in Michigan in 481 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 5: the story too. 482 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 6: As well as in Wisconsin. 483 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 5: Uh these I usually cover Appalachia and the Great Lakes Midwest. 484 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 5: It's about place and how place dominates how we vote, 485 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 5: and it is an emotion and and a gravital pull 486 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 5: to our rootedness that most political strategists don't even know 487 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 5: how to understand it. Yeah, President Trump was very very 488 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 5: good in understanding the nuance and and the and the 489 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 5: and the fabric of why place impacts people's votes. It's 490 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 5: it's why people did not understand why the working class 491 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 5: voting for President Trump wasn't just going to be white, 492 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 5: it was also Hispanic and black and Asian in a 493 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 5: massive way, because the Democrats kept putting people in silos 494 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 5: and trying to connect them. 495 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 6: From each other. 496 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 5: Right, that's so true, That's not what was happening in 497 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 5: this country. You know, working class voters, Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, 498 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 5: they voted shoulder to shoulder with their community because of place, 499 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 5: because of how tired they are to each other, to. 500 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 6: A community and to family. 501 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 5: And the Democrats completely did not understand that, and in 502 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 5: a breathtaking way. And so I take the voters in 503 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 5: I mean, I take the readers inside those moments and 504 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 5: inside those families' lives, so they have a better understanding 505 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 5: of what is happening in our country. 506 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: So much though, so I will tell people it comes 507 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: up out on July eighth. It is called Butler, The 508 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: Untold Story of the near Assassination of Donald Trump and 509 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: the Fight for America's Heartland. You read this book, it's 510 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: going to be more than Butler. Like I said before, 511 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: you're going to meet intimately meet characters that you hear 512 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: about every day. Susie Wiles an amazing woman. You're going 513 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: to meet her in this book. Chris las Avita, even 514 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: Elon Musk, all of these characters come through and you 515 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: and you can tell throughout this book that the President 516 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: has this incredible belief in you, Selena, this incredible trust 517 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: in you. And that's why this is so much more 518 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: than a book. 519 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: It's history. 520 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: It is going to be impactful for generations to come. 521 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: So I want to thank you today. Is there anything 522 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: you want to tell people about where they can get it? 523 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 6: Oh, you can just. 524 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 5: Get it on Amazon or at your local bookstore. I hope, 525 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 5: I hope people enjoy it. If you do read it 526 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 5: and you liked it. Please, you know, comment on Twitter. 527 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 5: It's at Zito, Selena. I'd love to hear from you. 528 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 5: I'd love to hear what your thoughts were about it. 529 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's great and at the very least, you 530 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: have an amazing picture that you get to put on 531 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 1: a coffee table. That picture she did, I love it. 532 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: That's what we were talking about this morning. We're like, 533 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a great book to have about. 534 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. J took that as so as we were, and 535 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 5: readers will find out. We're in the We're in the 536 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 5: back with him before he goes out, and he has 537 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 5: this running joke and you read it in the book 538 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 5: and he always says, Hey, Selene, you want to go 539 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 5: out on the stage with me. 540 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm like no, But that's what I mean. There's this 541 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: trust between the two of you. There's a genuine he 542 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: cares and that's what It's not just you, that's how 543 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: he feels about people. You capture it so well and 544 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: I just so appreciate it. It's been such a great conversation. 545 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: Selena Zito. Please check her out. Check out this book. 546 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 547 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: Thank you and thank you all for joining us on 548 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 549 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: For more, you can go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot. 550 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: Com, iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Also, 551 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: you can watch us on Rumble and YouTube at tutor Dixon. 552 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: But make sure you join us next time and have 553 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: a blessed day.