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<v Speaker 1>This episode of Atlanta Monster contains explicit language. Listener discretion

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<v Speaker 1>is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in a recording studio and I'm recording a song

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<v Speaker 2>in my phone rings. It's Wayne Williams. Everybody in his

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<v Speaker 2>studio is like everyone with step.

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<v Speaker 3>From that point forward? What transpired?

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<v Speaker 4>What did Wayne and say?

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<v Speaker 3>What was developing after that?

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to the real world, neo.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know Wayne Williams absolutely describe Wayne to me?

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<v Speaker 4>What's he like?

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<v Speaker 2>Brilliant asshole, very intelligent asshole. That's the best way I

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<v Speaker 2>could put it. And I don't mean it in a

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<v Speaker 2>bad way because I'm an asshole at times, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's the He's the type of person that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be very strong to deal with him because

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<v Speaker 2>mentally he could just run over the average person.

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<v Speaker 5>And Atlanta another pond.

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<v Speaker 4>It was discovered through the twenty third at the police

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<v Speaker 4>Time Forts headquarters.

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<v Speaker 6>There are twenty seven faces on the wall twenty sixth

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<v Speaker 6>murder one missing.

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<v Speaker 4>We do not know the person or persons that are responsible. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 4>we do not have the money.

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<v Speaker 5>From Tenderfoot TV.

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<v Speaker 3>In House too works in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 7>Like eleven other recent victims in Atlanta, Rogers apparently wasn't sexy.

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<v Speaker 8>Exert Atlanta is unlikely to catch the killer unless he

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<v Speaker 8>keeps on killing.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Atlanta monster.

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<v Speaker 2>The average person doesn't have the mental acumen to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to hold conversations with this guy. I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>about the asshole part. There have been multiple conversations that

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<v Speaker 2>me and him have had that end up in me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, basically having to curse him out and tell him, Look, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta shut the fuck up and let me do

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<v Speaker 2>what I know how to do. You've been in prison

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<v Speaker 2>for over thirty years and you don't understand how the

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<v Speaker 2>world is operating. Right now, you understand and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>go under the premise and guys of how things were operating.

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<v Speaker 3>Before you left the real world.

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<v Speaker 2>So shut the fuck up and let me do what

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<v Speaker 2>I do. And absolutely absolutely if you're not strong, he

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<v Speaker 2>will have you doing some shit that maybe you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do. It's been a roller coaster ride. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been a roller coaster ride for the simple fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you're dealing with a microcosm of so many different emotions

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<v Speaker 2>and you're dealing with such a extreme personality. You're dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with the guy who was supposed to be la Red.

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<v Speaker 2>You understand, Wayne Williams started a radio station when he

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<v Speaker 2>was fifteen years old and it was successful. His family

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<v Speaker 2>was educators and his dad was a college professor. He

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<v Speaker 2>knew the people in the affluent circles of the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Atlanta. You imagine somebody like myself who has a

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<v Speaker 2>very strong personality. Now I meet this guy thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>years removed from everything that is transpired and all of

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<v Speaker 2>the psychological damage and everything else that he's had to

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<v Speaker 2>and do it. So we bump hes a lot, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have to think it's a guy who had

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<v Speaker 2>all his promise in was the only child, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>been in prison and has had to watch his mom

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<v Speaker 2>with away and die, watch his dad with away and die.

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<v Speaker 1>When you first talked to Wayne, what did he tell

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<v Speaker 1>you in your first conversation?

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<v Speaker 3>What was he saying to you?

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<v Speaker 2>He started doing the background on me. He found out

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<v Speaker 2>what I had already been doing as far as community

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<v Speaker 2>activism and you know, educating people in the black community.

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<v Speaker 4>So when we first.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked, he wanted me to know that he was impressed

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<v Speaker 2>with what he had already.

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<v Speaker 9>Learned about me.

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<v Speaker 2>So, because he learned all of these things about me,

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<v Speaker 2>he said he thought I was the perfect person to

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<v Speaker 2>put together a documentary piece.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I was aware of.

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<v Speaker 2>Things that publicly most Americans just don't think it's possible

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<v Speaker 2>or would never believe to cover up by both the

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<v Speaker 2>GBI and FBI, and how they played such a hand

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<v Speaker 2>in this. Because of course, whenever you get involved with

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<v Speaker 2>something like this, it's always going to be a certain

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<v Speaker 2>level of fear that will always be looming.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think Wayne cares about most as a person?

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<v Speaker 2>I think from what I know about him now, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is a fault of his very selfless

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<v Speaker 2>human being, selfless so much so that he hurts himself.

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<v Speaker 2>He's more concerned with helping this guy who's a good

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<v Speaker 2>This is a good kid.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not supposed to be here, right, Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing of it is is that, dude, if

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<v Speaker 2>you get out of prison and we prove what we

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<v Speaker 2>can potentially prove, you're gonna be able to help a

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<v Speaker 2>lot a lot of people that are in this kid's situation.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, Wayne cares more about other people than he

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<v Speaker 1>does themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I'm the same way. So I understand it.

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<v Speaker 4>When you live in this.

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<v Speaker 2>World and you meet Morpheus, so to speak, and you

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<v Speaker 2>make a decision to take the red pill, and you

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<v Speaker 2>see the injustices, and you see the things that we

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<v Speaker 2>see in this world that we just.

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<v Speaker 4>Know are not right.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you have an understanding of it from my perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>A Wayne's perspective always has to be a patsy, And

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<v Speaker 2>usually the person who's the patsy, they have some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of connection, just as Lee Harvey Oswald did to the

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<v Speaker 2>CIA or to some sort of governmental agency.

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<v Speaker 1>Right where do you draw the line between conspiracy theories?

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I don't even consider the concept of what

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<v Speaker 2>people say conspiracy theory is a real thing, because is

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<v Speaker 2>it a conspiracy theory or were the facts or what

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<v Speaker 2>was presented to the public alter to make it seem

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<v Speaker 2>a certain way. I know the truth, You know, Wayne

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<v Speaker 2>knows the truth. The problem is we live in a

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<v Speaker 2>world in which people have been programmed not to ask questions.

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<v Speaker 5>Dwayne maybe right about this.

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<v Speaker 1>There seems to be a lot of lingering doubt when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to Wayne William's guilt, but it's not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>widely discussed. For example, I'd heard varying opinions of Wayne's

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<v Speaker 1>physical capacity to kill and disposed of Nathaniel Cater, the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven year old, was one of the few adult

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<v Speaker 1>victims of the Atlanta child murders.

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<v Speaker 5>I asked Dwayne what he thought about that.

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<v Speaker 2>The murder of Nathaniel Cater and it being blamed on

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne Williams. It's no way it could have happened at all.

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<v Speaker 2>In the court case, Wayne's car never stop on the bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>So a six one, one hundred and eighty pound man

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<v Speaker 2>was thrown from a moving car over a barrier that's

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<v Speaker 2>about five feet high. How he man can't do that?

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<v Speaker 2>This guy six y' one, How is he gonna fit

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<v Speaker 2>out of a window of a car. Nathaniel Cater was

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<v Speaker 2>a badass. Nathaniel Cater was known in the streets of

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta to be able to beat up two guys at

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<v Speaker 2>one time, three guys at one time. So little five

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<v Speaker 2>to seven Wayne Williams, little fat five to seven Wayne

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<v Speaker 2>Williams killed this guy. No, there's no way. So how

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<v Speaker 2>now does Wayne take a six to one, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty pound man with one arm.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the most disgusting lie ever.

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<v Speaker 5>Dwayne says.

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<v Speaker 1>Cater was six to one, one hundred and eighty pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>but according to court documents, he was actually five to eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and forty six pounds. Nathaniel Cater was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the two adult victims that Wayne was actually convicted

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<v Speaker 1>of murdering. The other was twenty one year old Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Payne. Payne lived on Magnolia Street, about a block

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<v Speaker 1>from the home of Patrick Boltazar.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Ray Payne was a guy who was in the

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<v Speaker 2>streets who supposedly Wayne killed. On the autopsy report on

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<v Speaker 2>Calls of death, initially it said that it was undetermined.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it was changed to say asphyxiation, which basically means

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<v Speaker 2>he was strangled.

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<v Speaker 4>I have the actual picture.

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<v Speaker 5>I checked this out. Dwayne was right.

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<v Speaker 1>Records show that Jimmy Ray Pain's cause of death was

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<v Speaker 1>originally marked as undetermined rather than homicide on the medical

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<v Speaker 1>report on June sixteenth, nineteen eighty one. However, on August sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one, through a short was redone and Pain's

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<v Speaker 1>cause of death was changed to homicide. News covers of

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne Williams's trial shows that the medical examiner could only

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<v Speaker 1>say with certainty that Paine's death was a result of

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<v Speaker 1>undetermined asphyxia.

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<v Speaker 10>Officials from the Fulton County Medical Examiner's office spent more

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<v Speaker 10>than six hours last night and today examining Jimmy Paine's body.

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<v Speaker 1>There are multiple means of asphyxiation, and the medical examiner

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be sure of the exact mechanism.

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<v Speaker 11>Any external marks at all around the neck, no extended

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<v Speaker 11>locks out on the neck.

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<v Speaker 10>There is there any evidence of sexual molestation.

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<v Speaker 7>No evidence of sexual molistation.

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<v Speaker 10>Doctor Zaki says there is still a slight chance Pain drowned.

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<v Speaker 10>He estimates the twenty one year old died very soon

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<v Speaker 10>after he disappeared last Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>When the medical examiner was questioned by Wayne's attorney, he

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<v Speaker 1>admitted changing the cause of death to homicide. He also

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<v Speaker 1>went on to say that he couldn't totally exclude drowning,

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<v Speaker 1>but there should have been clearer evidence than Pain's lungs.

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<v Speaker 3>So is there any doubt in your mind that Wayne

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<v Speaker 3>Williams did these murders?

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<v Speaker 2>Is no doubt in my mind, unequivocally, he didn't murder anyone, unequivally,

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<v Speaker 2>without a doubt. He didn't murder anymore, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 3>Where does that firm belief come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for one, for me examining you know, the cases

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<v Speaker 2>and learning what I've learned, you know, researching what I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to need to research just to do the documentary.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>And along the way it went from hey man, nobody

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be able to speak up for me

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<v Speaker 2>like you.

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<v Speaker 3>So does Wayne want to get out of jail.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to get out of prison, but he also

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<v Speaker 2>wants justice for the families more than anything else. We

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<v Speaker 2>consider him the thirtieth victim.

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<v Speaker 3>Does Wayne consider himself a victim?

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't, but I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think there is a killer or killers out

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<v Speaker 1>there responsible for some of these murders that have never

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<v Speaker 1>been apprehended.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know that there is. That's a fact, Jack,

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<v Speaker 2>That is an absolute fact.

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<v Speaker 1>Dwayne told me he wasn't the only one who believed

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<v Speaker 1>in Wayne's innocence. In fact, there were two reputable sources

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<v Speaker 1>public figures. One was named Sidney Dorsey and the other

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<v Speaker 1>was Lewis Graham, who worked as detectives on Wayne's case

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<v Speaker 1>back in the early eighties. Graham even tried to reopen

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<v Speaker 1>the case into cab County back in two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things we hope to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to do is to get the actual notes from Lewis

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<v Speaker 2>Graham and Lewis Graham and Sidney Dorsey were pretty close.

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<v Speaker 2>Both of these guys were detectives for Atlanta Police Department.

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<v Speaker 2>Sidney ended up being the sheriff for the Cab County.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what he was really trying to do is

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<v Speaker 2>he was trying to solve the murders. Initially, he found out,

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<v Speaker 2>for one, that there were multiple people that were doing

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<v Speaker 2>the murders. They were prepared to make arrests.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he find any evidence that would Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, absolutely absolutely. I mean Sidney Dorsey is.

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<v Speaker 4>The key to all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>If you get a interview with Sidney Dorsey, he has

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<v Speaker 2>all of the intimate knowledge as far as the police work.

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<v Speaker 3>Where is he now.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in Reesville State Prison.

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<v Speaker 3>During a life sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>Sidney Dorsey was the first African American sheriff of Dekap

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<v Speaker 1>County in Atlanta from nineteen ninety six to two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>When he ran for reelection in two thousand, he was

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<v Speaker 1>defeated by Derwin Brown. Sidney Dorsey then arranged for the

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<v Speaker 1>assassination of his opponent by a deputy. Derwin Brown was

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<v Speaker 1>then murdered and Sidney Dorsey was sentenced to life without parole.

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<v Speaker 1>Per Dwayne's recommendation, we looked into Sidney Dorsey's involvement in.

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<v Speaker 5>Reopening Wayne's case.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the years, he's been quoted by news sources, including

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Journal Constitution, advocating for Wayne's innocence.

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<v Speaker 5>So we decided to write Sidney Dorsey a letter in prison.

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<v Speaker 5>We haven't heard back yet.

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<v Speaker 1>After meeting Dwayne Hendrix, I started looking for more people

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<v Speaker 1>who knew Wayne Williams before he went to prison, before

0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Dwayne even met him.

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<v Speaker 5>It was hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a very long time and Wayne didn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have tons of close living friends and family. But

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<v Speaker 1>after weeks of searching, I eventually found someone. His name

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<v Speaker 1>was Tyrone Brooks, a civil rights advocate, a disciple of

0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:40.120
<v Speaker 1>doctor Martin Luther King Junior, and Reverend Joseah Williams. Tyrone

0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:40.920
<v Speaker 1>agreed to meet with me.

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<v Speaker 7>I know Wayne, I met him when he was in

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<v Speaker 7>high school, and he invited me to his home of

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<v Speaker 7>on Penelope off Anderson Avenue in northwest Atlanta to do

0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.280
<v Speaker 7>a live radio show. I get a phone call from

0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.240
<v Speaker 7>Wayne Williams. He says, my name is Wayne Williams. I'm

0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:02.240
<v Speaker 7>a high school student. I have a radio show. I

0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.360
<v Speaker 7>like for you to pay on my show. Said where's

0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.040
<v Speaker 7>your show? He said, over here on Penelope Drive off

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<v Speaker 7>of Anderson Avenue. I said, I'm familiar with that area,

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<v Speaker 7>so I went over and sure enough, he's got a

0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:17.760
<v Speaker 7>FCC license and he's broadcasting. He's got a tower down

0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.000
<v Speaker 7>the street. He got a radio tower up in there

0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.200
<v Speaker 7>down the street. His daddy had helped him build a

0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.320
<v Speaker 7>radio station. And how in the world he gets a

0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:31.920
<v Speaker 7>license from the Federal Communications Commission to broadcasts. And I

0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.400
<v Speaker 7>was just amazed that, you know, here's a high school

0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.720
<v Speaker 7>student with the radio station in the backyard and he's

0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.640
<v Speaker 7>already got his FCC license.

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<v Speaker 1>To brock Tyrone Pannawayne Williams as a whiz kid, a normal,

0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:46.120
<v Speaker 1>likable teenage boy.

0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:54.320
<v Speaker 7>He's very friendly, very affable, humorous, funny, funny, smart, he's

0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:59.800
<v Speaker 7>a smart guy's intelligent, very intelligent. But he was kind

0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.880
<v Speaker 7>of like, yeah, you civil rights guys, you guys are

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<v Speaker 7>my heroes. You all really made it possible for me

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<v Speaker 7>to be where I am. I got my own radio

0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.960
<v Speaker 7>station and I'm working here at Channel two or eleven,

0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:13.920
<v Speaker 7>one of them. He worked for both of them at

0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:14.720
<v Speaker 7>for a period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Wa ain't looked up to Tyrone because at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Tyrone was one of the youngest members of the SCLC,

0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the Southern Christian Leadership Conference founded by civil rights leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>primarily doctor Martin Luther King.

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<v Speaker 7>From reconstruction up until nineteen forty six, black people could

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<v Speaker 7>not vote in the democratic primaries. Nineteen forty six. The

0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.800
<v Speaker 7>whole goal was cheap black people from voting. We don't

0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.600
<v Speaker 7>want them in our democratic primary because pretty soon they're

0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.440
<v Speaker 7>going to start wanting to hold public offices themselves. They're

0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.800
<v Speaker 7>going to change the whole dynamic of the white segregationist

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<v Speaker 7>whole on the South. But on April second, nineteen forty six,

0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:00.800
<v Speaker 7>the United States Supreme Court ruled unanimously George is all

0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:07.280
<v Speaker 7>white Dixiecrat Party primary was illegal and unconstitutional. So on

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<v Speaker 7>April second, it was a huge celebration across the South

0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.720
<v Speaker 7>of African Americans and supporters who said we can find

0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.800
<v Speaker 7>a vote in the democratic primaries. My parents went to

0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.399
<v Speaker 7>vote in my hometown of Warranton. Many of them were

0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.440
<v Speaker 7>met by mobs a kookut klansman, and the klan said,

0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.720
<v Speaker 7>ain't no niggas coming in here to vote. And my

0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.280
<v Speaker 7>daddy and some of my relatives got guns and they

0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.680
<v Speaker 7>went back to the courthouse and they said, we're either

0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.560
<v Speaker 7>going to vote, we're gonna die. Five people died, two

0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.800
<v Speaker 7>couples that an unborn infant, George Darcy May, Mary Dorsey,

0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.439
<v Speaker 7>Roger Malcolm, Darthur Malcolm, and the baby. We named the baby.

0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.280
<v Speaker 7>In two thousand and eight, we named the baby Justice.

0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.080
<v Speaker 1>It captured national attention and President Truman tried to pass

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<v Speaker 1>an anti lynching legislation.

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<v Speaker 7>This is a case that remains unsolved. It was doctor

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<v Speaker 7>King's project. He had two things on his agenda when

0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.960
<v Speaker 7>he was assassinated in nineteen sixty eight. The Poor per

0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.679
<v Speaker 7>Campaign March on Washington, which we did complete, and the

0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.080
<v Speaker 7>Moors for a bridge lynchings.

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<v Speaker 1>Though tons of names and suspects are tied of this event,

0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.960
<v Speaker 1>cooperation was limited. No one confessed, and to this day

0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the case remains unsolved.

0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.639
<v Speaker 7>So here comes the Missing and Murdered Children crisis in

0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.280
<v Speaker 7>the late seventies and early eighties. Okay, here it comes,

0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.439
<v Speaker 7>you know, here it comes, and all of a sudden,

0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.800
<v Speaker 7>Wayne is back in our lives again.

0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Tyrone told me he actually went to sea Wayne the

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<v Speaker 1>day he became a suspect.

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<v Speaker 7>He calls me up and he says, I need you

0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 7>and Reverend jose Williams to come up to our home.

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<v Speaker 7>My daddy his father's name Homer. Mister Homer was a

0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.320
<v Speaker 7>photographer for the Atlanta Daily World. We need to go

0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.679
<v Speaker 7>talk to Wayne. He's called me. I know he's called you.

0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.440
<v Speaker 7>He told me he called you, Tyroe. We need to go,

0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.200
<v Speaker 7>seem So jose In I drove up to the home

0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:54.600
<v Speaker 7>and so we went up to the house. Now, when

0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.480
<v Speaker 7>we got there, the whole front yard was covered with

0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.159
<v Speaker 7>TV cameras. I mean it was like the present in

0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.720
<v Speaker 7>the United States holding a news conference. I mean the

0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.359
<v Speaker 7>whole front the whole the driveways, the little streets and

0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.360
<v Speaker 7>narrow streets were just cluttered with cars. So the authorities

0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.240
<v Speaker 7>had made a decision that they were going to hone

0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.160
<v Speaker 7>in on Wayne's and they were going to get him,

0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.480
<v Speaker 7>and they had notified the media.

0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.000
<v Speaker 5>So we go up to the house. So we go in.

0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:23.600
<v Speaker 7>They let us in and Josea said to Wayne in

0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.399
<v Speaker 7>front of his parents, jose said, Wayne, I'm talking to

0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:33.159
<v Speaker 7>you as your second father. Tyrone met you when you

0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.280
<v Speaker 7>were in high school. We're here, we respect you. We've

0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:40.080
<v Speaker 7>been on your radio show You've been following us around

0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.560
<v Speaker 7>in the movement. You've covered us in the movement, he said,

0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.240
<v Speaker 7>But if you've been involved in any of this, you

0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.320
<v Speaker 7>gotta tell us because we want to help you get

0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.920
<v Speaker 7>the best legal counsel possible. And Wayne looked us in

0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:55.159
<v Speaker 7>the eye and he said, Reverend Williams. Tyrone, I have

0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.280
<v Speaker 7>not been involved in any of these killings. I've only

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.480
<v Speaker 7>tried to cover the killings. I've only been following the authorities.

0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:04.760
<v Speaker 7>I've been getting leads and tips, and people on the

0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.119
<v Speaker 7>inside of the police departments have been calling me and

0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.840
<v Speaker 7>telling me, you know, they found the body here, and

0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:11.600
<v Speaker 7>he would go to that spot and he'd be set

0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.440
<v Speaker 7>up there with his camera. Yeah, people on the inside

0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:19.080
<v Speaker 7>of the police department. He had connections, and I think

0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.720
<v Speaker 7>he stepped on toes and he rubbed people the wrong way.

0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.600
<v Speaker 7>But he told us that night, and he convinced me

0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.960
<v Speaker 7>that he was not involved in any killings. He said,

0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.680
<v Speaker 7>they have to find a scapegoat to close this case out.

0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:35.359
<v Speaker 7>I believe he did. I believe he was telling the truth.

0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.159
<v Speaker 7>I think he told us the truth that night, and

0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.360
<v Speaker 7>I believe he has maintained all alone. I think Wayne

0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.720
<v Speaker 7>is prepared to die standing on his conviction of telling

0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:50.080
<v Speaker 7>the truth. I think it's a tragedy for Atlanta. I

0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.800
<v Speaker 7>think it's a tragedy for the American criminal justice system

0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.360
<v Speaker 7>to have an innocent person incarcerated for something they did

0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.760
<v Speaker 7>not do. And the sad fact is the real killers

0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.920
<v Speaker 7>were never captured, the real killers have never been punished.

0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.800
<v Speaker 7>We believe the Ku Kluk Klan is connected to this,

0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.880
<v Speaker 7>and we believe that some of these white officers who

0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:14.119
<v Speaker 7>are klansmen, closet klansmen, they are out here picking up

0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.560
<v Speaker 7>these young black kids. I believe that was a similus

0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:19.800
<v Speaker 7>of truth to it. I really believe that was a

0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:24.679
<v Speaker 7>clan connection. I'm convinced that Wayne Williams is innocent of

0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 7>any murder. I think Wayne Williams probably just got a

0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.840
<v Speaker 7>little too close to the investigators. They were frustrated. And

0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.159
<v Speaker 7>the thing that really really is important to me is

0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:38.359
<v Speaker 7>the fact that the two lead detectives who worked the case,

0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.400
<v Speaker 7>Lewis Graham, who was chief of homicide for the City

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.080
<v Speaker 7>of Atlanta for many years, any went over to Fulton

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.440
<v Speaker 7>County became chief, then he went to the Cab County

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 7>became chief. Before Lewis and Graham died Lewis would always

0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:52.720
<v Speaker 7>see me in passing and he would say, man, you

0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.240
<v Speaker 7>are someone that we'll always respect. You had the courage

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.040
<v Speaker 7>to speak the truth to power. We were convinced that

0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.880
<v Speaker 7>Wayne Williams did not commit those crimes. And his partner

0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:07.240
<v Speaker 7>was Sidney Dorsey. Detective Sydney Dorsy who later became chef

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.439
<v Speaker 7>of the cab count Who's you know, famous for another reason.

0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.600
<v Speaker 7>But they both said to me, there should have been

0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.879
<v Speaker 7>more people in Atlanta standing up and speaking out and

0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.840
<v Speaker 7>telling the truth about Wayne Williams.

0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I asked Mike McCombs about his thoughts on the racial

0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.719
<v Speaker 1>tensions around the Atlanta child murders.

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<v Speaker 12>It always comes back to racial tensions. Of course, there

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.679
<v Speaker 12>was a lot of racial tensions. You know, people were

0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.560
<v Speaker 12>afraid of each other. I mean, I don't think it's

0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 12>any worse than it is now, but when you have

0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.639
<v Speaker 12>a pacific crime, that adds fuel to the fire. And

0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:41.600
<v Speaker 12>like I said, the blacks wanted to be white and

0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:43.680
<v Speaker 12>the whites wanted it to be a black And I

0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:45.360
<v Speaker 12>didn't care who it was as long as we caught them.

0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:46.320
<v Speaker 4>I could have cared less.

0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.000
<v Speaker 12>But I don't think the racial tensions then were any

0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.399
<v Speaker 12>worse than they are now. I mean, people treated me

0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.600
<v Speaker 12>with respect and I treated them with respect, and so

0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 12>I don't think it's any different than what it is now.

0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:57.560
<v Speaker 4>It was just a high.

0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:58.880
<v Speaker 12>It was a very tense time.

0:22:59.119 --> 0:22:59.920
<v Speaker 4>It was very tense.

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 12>There's always been, you know, discrimination, always has been. I'm

0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.159
<v Speaker 12>fearful to say that there always will be. There's just

0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.680
<v Speaker 12>always going to be somebody that's going to discriminate, and

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 12>there's blacks that discriminate against whites and whites that discriminate

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.399
<v Speaker 12>against blacks. It doesn't mean that either one of them's right.

0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 12>As a matter of fact, it means both of them

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 12>are really really wrong. You know, I didn't know whether

0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 12>you were black or white when you called me, and

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:27.480
<v Speaker 12>didn't care, could care less. I mean, you know, it's

0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:29.919
<v Speaker 12>not the way I was raised. You know, you're going

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 12>to have agitators to this day. You always have agitators

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:36.199
<v Speaker 12>that get involved, that take things to the extreme, and

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:37.280
<v Speaker 12>that's that hurts.

0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:39.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it hurts a lot, worse hurts the situation.

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 4>So we had them then.

0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:44.280
<v Speaker 12>You know, we had agitators that said that you know,

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.639
<v Speaker 12>it was we were that someone was trying to you know,

0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 12>commit genocide of the Blacks and this.

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:50.640
<v Speaker 4>That and the other.

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 12>I mean, you have to keep in mind, And I

0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.399
<v Speaker 12>used to tell people this all the time, The FBI

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 12>wanted to know what the truth is. We didn't want

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 12>to convict Wayne Williams. We wanted to know what the

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:04.480
<v Speaker 12>truth was. So when you're doing this and you're poking holes,

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.520
<v Speaker 12>try to see what the individual's motives are. But yeah,

0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:11.119
<v Speaker 12>there's going to be those folks out there that doesn't

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.359
<v Speaker 12>think that, for whatever their motives are, that he didn't

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.800
<v Speaker 12>do it. But you know, people, that's the reason now

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.680
<v Speaker 12>that I'm not in the FBI, I'm not real quick

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:22.159
<v Speaker 12>to render an assessment on things because I know that

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 12>I don't have all the facts. I'm not in that

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.679
<v Speaker 12>circle anymore, and I know that what goes on in

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:28.840
<v Speaker 12>the middle of that circle, there's a lot of things

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:31.920
<v Speaker 12>that John Doe public they just don't know, and they're

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 12>not going to know, and so they don't have enough

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:38.960
<v Speaker 12>information to make a good intelligent assessment. That's my thoughts

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:39.320
<v Speaker 12>on it.

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:40.840
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, he did it.

0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.359
<v Speaker 5>Why do you think Wayne liam still says he didn't

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 5>do it?

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 12>Well, I'm not really sure that there would be any

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 12>advantage to him admitting it. For the first thing. But

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:57.439
<v Speaker 12>I think Wayne has some mental issues, some disorders that

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 12>would cause someone to be a compulsive liar. I don't

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 12>think he'll ever admit it. I don't think he has

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:05.640
<v Speaker 12>the ability to admit it. Shoot, he's been in there now.

0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:09.680
<v Speaker 12>We convicted him in eighty two, so I mean he's

0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.200
<v Speaker 12>he's got thirty five years in prison now.

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Just like mccombis, Popcorn also thinks Wayne Williams is guilty

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and that Wayne is the Atlanta child murderer. But he

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>acknowledges people's disbelief. He didn't necessarily look like a cold

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 1>blooded murderer.

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.920
<v Speaker 13>He was not a threatening character. The first time I

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.440
<v Speaker 13>looked one him, I almost laughed. I said, this guy,

0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 13>but he was not threatening. And that's why he got

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:33.639
<v Speaker 13>away with it, because people said, no, this guy murdered

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 13>that many kids.

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:35.399
<v Speaker 3>They refuse to believe it.

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 13>You know, if somebody has a better suspect out there,

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 13>please let us know. But there's no one has ever

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 13>come forward with anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>But after Wayne Williams was apprehended, did the murders actually stop?

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<v Speaker 13>The best evidence of will was last body that fell

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<v Speaker 13>off the bridge. We arrested Willie Williams, They ain't been

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<v Speaker 13>a murder since what do you mean, no murder since

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<v Speaker 13>after we arrested him, they were no more victims.

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<v Speaker 1>So since eighty one, there's been no murdered African American.

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<v Speaker 13>First has been don't you read the papers, but none

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<v Speaker 13>with a similar, dissimilar mo There have been no similar

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:12.679
<v Speaker 13>murders since that last body fell off the bridge, strangling, strangling,

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 13>taking off the street, young black male taken off the street,

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 13>strangled and dumped. Now the people who don't believe, would

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 13>have you believe that the murders still continue. The newspapers

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 13>are just covering up with the police. I mean I've

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 13>heard that that said, the murders have continued all this time,

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<v Speaker 13>just the police and the media not reporting them. Do

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<v Speaker 13>you think I'm an idiot? You work for the media,

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<v Speaker 13>do you do you think it's true? No, but this

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 13>is the stupid shit they come up with. But Wayne,

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 13>that was the best evidence, the every ten day pattern

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.200
<v Speaker 13>of a kid stripped, dumping or stopped, and we didn't

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<v Speaker 13>have any more.

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<v Speaker 5>Why do you think Wayne Williams still claims he's innocent.

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<v Speaker 13>Because that's Wayne Williams. One of the things Wayne Williams

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 13>thought he was smarter than us, And I said, his

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 13>biggest mistake was overestimating his intelligence and underestimating oz and

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.679
<v Speaker 13>he thought he can commit for a crime. He wanted

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 13>to show the world that he was smarter than everyone else.

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 13>So this was this was an ego.

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<v Speaker 4>Trip for him.

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<v Speaker 13>I tell people in my bureau career, I put five

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 13>men in prison who murdered a total of thirty five people,

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 13>and twenty five of them were done by one man.

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<v Speaker 13>How many people can say that good old fashioned police work,

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 13>you know, nothing fancy just sitting under a bridge waiting

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 13>for something to happen. If you come up with a

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 13>better suspect, please let us know. But right now, this

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 13>is the best thing, the best suspect we got going.

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<v Speaker 14>Like now, when you look back on it, I felt

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 14>like they just they need to put it on somebody,

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 14>and he kind of like fell into place, and then

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 14>it hadn't helped it. After they got him, it stopped.

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 14>So you know that just say, oh, we got the

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 14>right man. That doesn't necessarily me he's the right man,

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 14>but you know, it stopped. I mean, I think he

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 14>could have did some stuff, but I definitely don't think

0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 14>he did all of it, even if he did any

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 14>of them, you know, but the only thing hearing him

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 14>is they stopped once they got him, they stopped.

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 4>So it was like, well, even if we ain't got

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 4>the man, they stopped. The problems are with.

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<v Speaker 15>Wayne Williams under arrest. Everyone thinks they can relax and

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 15>the string of murders has stopped. But it just may

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 15>be that whoever's really doing it, if it's not Wayne Williams,

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 15>they decide, well, now it's a good time to stop

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 15>because this other guy's in jail for it.

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 16>Many people think, well, maybe these murders didn't stalk. With

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:32.199
<v Speaker 16>Wayne Williams arrest, there's a lot of contention around the

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:37.439
<v Speaker 16>distinction between the murder of children and the murders of

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 16>these adults who Wayne Williams was directly convicted of killing,

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 16>and whether those are necessarily a part of the same

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 16>pattern crimes. They see my valid questions to ask. In

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 16>my opinion, every single child that was identified as part

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 16>of the pattern cases of the Atlanta child murders wasn't strangled,

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 16>and they all were in the same place or found

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 16>in the same place or from the same place. More

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 16>or less generally, when you have that volume, but not

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 16>all of them. There's always this sense that what evidence

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 16>was collected, what evidence was lost?

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 17>How many children black males from poverty areas disappeared after

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 17>Wayne Williams went to jail, the list existed. After he

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 17>was convicted, the list disappeared. But I've always wanted to

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 17>know how many black boys in that same age group

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 17>from those neighborhoods disappeared after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking at the numbers, fewer kids died from asphyxiation in

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two versus nineteen eighty one.

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 5>But to say that all the murder stopped just isn't true.

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Dozens of young black kids were abducted and murdered in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties after Wayne williams imprisonment. However, maybe a

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>more accurate statement is that the volume of pattern crimes decreased,

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>in particular young black males who died from asphyxiation rather

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>than stab wounds or gun violence, and whose bodies were

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>later found seemingly scattered throughout metro Atlanta. So do serial

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>killers just stop killing? Well, sometimes they do. For example,

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the infamous BTK killer stopped killing after seventeen years, and

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't apprehended until nearly fourteen years after the last

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>murder he committed. I sat down with Meredith, one of

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<v Speaker 1>our producers, and a man named Kerrie Middlebrooks, the brother

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>of victim Eric Middlebrooks. He wanted to hear his perspective

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>as a family member. Who was his brother Eric, and

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>what to Kerry think of Wayne Williams.

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<v Speaker 8>My foster dad called me and he woke me up.

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<v Speaker 8>He said, we'll come over here. I want to talk

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 8>to you about something. He said, well, I don't know

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 8>how to tell you this, but Eric was killed last night.

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.479
<v Speaker 8>I guess I just didn't know what to say at

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 8>that point, so finally I said, well what happened? And

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 8>he said, well, they found him behind the with Johnson

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 8>Hotel buying some dumpsters. So what happened? Did somebody shoot

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 8>him or what? And they said, well, no, he was

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 8>seriously injured. He had been hitting the head with something

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 8>and on his bicycle. They cut his tires and stabbed

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 8>them in their arm.

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<v Speaker 11>The body of fourteen year old Eric middlebrook was found

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 11>about seven this morning behind a bar and the two

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 11>hundred block of Flat Shoals Road near Memorial. He was

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 11>hit on the back of the head with some kind

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 11>of blood instrument his pockets had been gone through. The

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 11>bike he was riding was next to his body.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it was an earth shattering I guess you know.

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<v Speaker 8>I still have not gotten over that because he was fourteen.

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 8>Body can do something like that to a kid. This

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 8>was just straight up violence, you know, holding his head

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 8>stabbed in an arm. I mean, I try and sit

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 8>up and imagine what was going on in his mind

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 8>at the time. All of this stuff was going on,

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 8>and it's rough, But I actually became an Atlanta police

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 8>officer because my brother had been killed.

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 4>I had just got out a Marine Corps.

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 8>I was working as a security officer at the P

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 8>Street Plaza Hotel. One of my supervisors said, you know,

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 8>the city of Atlanta is hiring, why don't you become.

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 4>A police officer. There was no way, in.

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<v Speaker 8>My opinion, my brother died by mechanisms of Wayne Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie Middlebrooks then told me his own theory about Eric's murder.

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 1>He saw some thing the day his brother was found

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>dead and it stuck with him to this day. He

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>mentioned a woman named Lisa, one of Eric's neighbors.

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 8>Apparently, Lisa called my foster dad's house to ask if

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 8>Eric could go to the store to get some cigarettes

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 8>around nine o'clock ish that night. All I know is

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 8>he said they got a phone call at nine o'clock

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 8>the night before about the store trip.

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 4>He didn't come back home.

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 8>Where my foster dad lived and where Lisa lived was

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 8>approximately one hundred feet They all lived in the same

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 8>apartment complex. I guess i'd been there a couple hours

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 8>and Lisa said, why don't you come down to my

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 8>house and we'll talk. When I went to her house,

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 8>I can just say I didn't see it happened, but

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 8>I just have to say something brought me to that

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 8>apartment for me to observe that something that takes place.

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 8>Whether it was God or you know, fake O don't,

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 8>I don't know, but based on what I saw, something

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 8>related to my brother had to have happened there.

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:16.360
<v Speaker 4>When I got down to her apartment, I noticed.

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.800
<v Speaker 8>There was a lot of blood on the floor, table,

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 8>various places, you know. I started having all kinds of stuff.

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 4>Running through my head.

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 8>She explained to me that her finger had been cut,

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 8>and I don't know how all of that blood could

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.400
<v Speaker 8>have come through that basically or scratch. It wasn't just

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 8>in one spot.

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 4>It was in.

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 8>Several spots about a pint of blood. My thing is,

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 8>I don't think Wayne Williams killed my brother. I think

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 8>it occurred about a hundred feet from where my brother

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 8>actually lived.

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 4>I did tell the policeys, I did tell the FBI this. Now.

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:00.080
<v Speaker 8>What I should have done, which is what I was

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 8>thinking about doing, was scoop up some of the blood

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 8>and put it on something.

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 4>Didn't do that.

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 8>I guess I was sort of gullible, but I'm saying

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 8>that he died in that apartment. I clearly told the

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 8>FBI what I thought about what took place with my brother.

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 8>Apparently they didn't do anything because Wayne Williams seemed to

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 8>remain the primary subject they were focusing on. And so

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 8>I just don't feel that man could have killed my brother,

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 8>you know. I mean, like I said, Eric was fourteen,

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 8>so he was really kind of like a young lion,

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 8>you know. I mean, Wayne Williams was not much bigger

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 8>than my brother, not that my brother was a big guy.

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 8>To me, Eric would have had to have been killed

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 8>sort of like in an enclosed area or confined area.

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 8>I don't feel that they have the right person for

0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.240
<v Speaker 8>my brother's murder. I think they were kind of reaching

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 8>for Straws. I mean at one point they called them

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 8>a psychic. We're talking professional police investigators. You call it

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 8>a psychic to help you do what?

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<v Speaker 1>Kerry brought with him a framed document titled a resolution.

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>It was sent to his family in twenty thirteen by

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 1>the Georgia House of Representatives.

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 4>It said, honoring the victims and the Atlanta Missing a

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 4>Murdered Children.

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:32.800
<v Speaker 18>Case, It's a resolution to commit to continuing work until

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 18>adequate laws or passed to protect our children in Atlanta

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 18>by the House of Representatives. Here is this consolation. Do

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 18>you feel Did you feel good about receiving this?

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 8>I mean, it's just the plaque or some acknowledgement that

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 8>something occurred with a bunch of names on it.

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 4>But it doesn't resolve anything.

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 8>But yeah, hopefully y'all can do something with this man.

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 8>I mean, Wayne Williams has been saying that he's innocent.

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 8>How innocent I don't know, but I don't think he

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:08.759
<v Speaker 8>killed my brother.

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Carrie Middlebrooks was now the second relative of a victim

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>to tell me he did not believe Wayne Williams was guilty,

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>at least for any crime against his family. Back in

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 1>my very first meeting with Dwayne Hendrix, he mentioned a

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>man that knew Wayne Williams very well back in the day.

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 5>His name was Jimmy Howard.

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy would be what you would say is was Wayne's protege.

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>He was the lead singer for the group that Wayne

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 2>was managing at the time, and he was the guy

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 2>who was with Wayne every day, and he.

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Was part of the band that Wayne was putting together

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>right before he was arrested. The same one Wayne mentioned

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 1>in his press conference. Jimmy knew Wayne back at the

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.479
<v Speaker 1>very beginning, when Wayne was in his early twenties trying

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 1>to start the next Jackson five.

0:37:56.200 --> 0:38:02.479
<v Speaker 19>Tell me mentioning in murder kids kids, think y'all Wayne

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 19>Trevor killing them kid? They got the Wayne Trither two grown,

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 19>the ducks man. Put all the all the kids that

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 19>are done, look at them. See the number one thing

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 19>here to me. Number one. You got the parents out

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 19>here who kids has been murdered. They number one that

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:23.320
<v Speaker 19>never been closed, that wounds still open. But the place

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 19>keep moving on. Wayne will Number two a man that

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 19>y'all use for an escapegoat. Lock this man up, forget

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 19>about it. Then y'all think y'all on the side of

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 19>the case.

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:37.320
<v Speaker 5>Ask Jimmy how he met Wayne in the first place.

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 19>Man, I met Wayne in a talent show. Who's doing

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:48.280
<v Speaker 19>the talent show? I was in a band. We was performing.

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.359
<v Speaker 19>You know, after all the accident did their thing, they'll

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 19>come out and said who won is who placed this

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 19>and that? But when at the time was when we

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 19>hit the stage. The crowd, you know, they had a

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 19>big spotlights now shout. I was playing drums and they

0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:03.240
<v Speaker 19>shine that light back there on me. In the crowd

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 19>just went crazy cause I was singing and playing the

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 19>drums at the same time. So when it was over with,

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 19>as soon as we got ready to exit the stage

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:13.760
<v Speaker 19>to go out to the back and was greeting people

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 19>and talking to people, that's when I met Wayne and

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 19>he came in and duced. He said, Man, that was great, man.

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 19>What's your name?

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:22.359
<v Speaker 3>Man?

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 9>That was hot. Man.

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 19>Listen, man, you you don't need to be on the drums,

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 19>you need to be out here in the front. So

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 19>I'm looking at him like, yeah, he said, what's your name?

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 19>I told him he said, Man, hey, take my car,

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 19>get in touch with me.

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 13>Man.

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 9>You gotta know I can call it man. I got

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 9>some things I'm putting together.

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 19>That's exactly how how it went, so I didn't never

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 19>call him. I ended up seeing Wayne again at about

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 19>two other shows and then my brother said said, what

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 19>do you see? What are you talking about when? And

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 19>that's that's why I went. And he told me what

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 19>he was doing.

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 3>How old were you?

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:57.240
<v Speaker 9>Fifteen? Sixteen? And he said, I'm putting the group together.

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 19>So one one weekend and he asked me to come

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 19>to the studio recording section, rang my mom and everybody.

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 19>He said, I want to build this group around you.

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 19>I met the guys, we talked. We all locked in

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 19>pretty good.

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 9>At the time.

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 19>It was just them two guys I met, and then

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 19>three of y'all yeah, and then the other two came,

0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 19>so it was five at that point. We went on

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 19>and started doing songs man, and just doing things, meeting

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:30.239
<v Speaker 19>every other weekend, mean through the weekdays on rehearsing on

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:33.840
<v Speaker 19>these songs that he had picked that Wayne had chous,

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 19>some songs and remixes that each old for us to

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:41.240
<v Speaker 19>do well. The plans were to be the next, the

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 19>next famous group behind the Jackson.

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 9>It was just crazy the time. But I can say

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.439
<v Speaker 9>this though I know we ain't even do no killing?

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 3>What is The group called.

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:58.400
<v Speaker 20>Gemini guards at the Fulton County Jail were authorized to

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:01.239
<v Speaker 20>allow Williams three calls per week. The guards were to

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.400
<v Speaker 20>dial the numbers from outside Williams's maximum security selle and

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 20>had him the receiver.

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 5>But that is not what happened.

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 20>The calls made by Williams include calls to members of

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 20>this group of singers who Williams claims to manage. In fact,

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 20>Wayne Williams from his sale set up this rehearsal and

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 20>invited the Action News team into videotape it.

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Then Jimmy told me an incredible story. He was actually

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 1>with Wayne the night he was picked up by the

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 1>FBI and taking in for questioning. That night, Wayne had

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 1>taken Jimmy and his fellow bandmates to Wendy's after practice.

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 5>That's when it happened.

0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 19>We went to Wendy's on food in the dust. I

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 19>was sitting in the wonder Man. You can see the cops.

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 19>You can see the cars. They were just sitting there,

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 19>the ones that we would recognize. Okay, we're sitting there.

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 19>When I said, man, thin' gonna lot me? If I

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 19>will say, just gonnun lock me up and stop harassing me.

0:41:58.200 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 9>You know everybody at home.

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.920
<v Speaker 19>We got on bank aage they Brian home and as

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 19>we was going down that street over our bank head,

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.759
<v Speaker 19>we went past bread house and turned around. Two mark

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 19>cars was following up behind cars that I never seen

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 19>that was at the windows day was behind us. We

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 19>turned around, came back, dropped them off some once. I'm

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 19>tired of this s As we was getting to the

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 19>edge of the street, stopped trying on bank here Wain

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 19>so I'm been and call him mayor tell him that

0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 19>they gonna lock me up, Lock me up now. He

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 19>pulled a splitt across the street into the JR. It

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 19>used to be a jar Creek store. It was a

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 19>big star. That was a phone book now and he

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 19>got out the car. Man toyot was sitting in the car. Man,

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 19>I think he got on that phone book. No more

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 19>than about two minutes. Cars just come from everywhere swarmed

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:42.320
<v Speaker 19>the car.

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 9>Helicopters. Man, it was crazy. Me and two was looking

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 9>at each other.

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:49.279
<v Speaker 19>Man We was like, what that, what's going on here?

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 19>And we looking cop opened up the door and and

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:57.080
<v Speaker 19>put one over to and say hey, come on, come

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 19>on over with us. We're gonna take Wing with us.

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:00.080
<v Speaker 19>Tweyn said, why you gonna do that?

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:00.359
<v Speaker 4>Man?

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:02.919
<v Speaker 19>It is do y'all think really, way ain't killed them kids?

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 19>I said, nah, I ain't did that, man, I don't

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 19>believe that. He said, well, he said, come on, we're

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 19>gonna we don't want the media you see your guys.

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:09.799
<v Speaker 19>Come on, he covers up. We're gonna carr y'all home.

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 19>We're gonna take Wayne with us for some question. At

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.719
<v Speaker 19>that point, At that point, right there, that's when I

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.359
<v Speaker 19>really started feeling some kind of way.

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 9>Right there. It was a scary moment. I was like, man,

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 9>what the what is they doing?

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:31.520
<v Speaker 19>Look at who they convicted Wayne or killing and they

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 19>didn't even have the evidence to convict him of that.

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 9>What's evidence?

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 5>This is?

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 19>This is big, man, This is huge. This case is huge.

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 19>And I'm gonna say this here. I been knowing Wayne

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:46.239
<v Speaker 19>in a long time, long time, But I know you

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 19>got some bitterness in him, because think about it, if

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 19>you was, if you was in his situation, in his shoes,

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 19>you would want someone to stand for you knowing that

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 19>you hadn't done this.

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:00.360
<v Speaker 9>When you man, this thing.

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 19>It's deep, man, It's deepen than a lot of people,

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 19>let me tell you, So, that was the name that

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 19>the media giving Wayne Way. They wouldn't use his name.

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 19>They gave him this name, Atlanta Monster. We're gonna show

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 19>this man and it's a good thing. So you know,

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 19>we can put this puzza together and everybody gonna be shocked.

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 5>I currently live in Atlanta now.

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:53.399
<v Speaker 1>I work downtown off Poncetan Leon Avenue in the Old

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Fourth Ward. I wanted to explore the city through the

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 1>lens of the Atlanta Child Murders. Living here, I'd heard

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.959
<v Speaker 1>of many places in this case, but a lot's changed

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta since then. Jason from Hellstuff Works went through

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>the process of mapping out all the major sites in

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta child murders, including the homes of victims, places

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 1>they were last seen, and where each victim was found.

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 1>One day, we hopped in the car and drove around

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:17.720
<v Speaker 1>the city to get a feel for where these tragedies

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 1>took place thirty five years ago.

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 4>Where'd you get this?

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 21>Well, the only place you can give them at these

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 21>days Barnes and Noble.

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 5>So we are here, Yuseph Bell can.

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:42.800
<v Speaker 4>Hear the traffics from I twenty right behind us.

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 5>So This definitely used to be a building, and they

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 5>found Bell's body when it was abandoned. Yusuf was last

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 5>seen three days ago. He was running an errand for

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 5>a woman who lived in the apartment complex.

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 8>He came to this little store at the corner of

0:45:57.719 --> 0:45:59.240
<v Speaker 8>McDaniel and Georgia Avenue.

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 17>Ibody out there like that that has and I just

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 17>wish they knew that somebody here loves him, that a

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 17>whole lot of people love him, that this whole community

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:08.879
<v Speaker 17>loves him, and they want him back too.

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:13.359
<v Speaker 22>Yusuf's body was found Thursday in an abandoned schoolhouse at

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:16.719
<v Speaker 22>Fulton and Martin Streets, near the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium.

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.720
<v Speaker 22>Police believe the boy, who had been missing for eighteen days,

0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 22>was strangled.

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 5>We're probably five minutes from the office right now.

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 1>If you were just dropped me here and blindfolded, I'd

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>have no idea where I was.

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 8>There's like a new kid I disappearing every three or

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 8>four weeks.

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.240
<v Speaker 1>The last place we went that day in your neighbor

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.360
<v Speaker 1>was Wayne William's old home off Penelope Road in Atlanta.

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 4>Left here, go.

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 5>Straight then should be next.

0:46:56.239 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 17>Just cross this bridge, then your destination will be on

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 17>the right.

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:09.799
<v Speaker 23>Your destination is on the right.

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 1>We turned down the street and I went by myself

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:31.080
<v Speaker 1>to the door. There was no one there, so I

0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.359
<v Speaker 1>walked down to one of the neighbor's houses. Someone came

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:35.440
<v Speaker 1>to the door. He didn't live here in the eighties,

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:36.520
<v Speaker 1>but he had an interesting take.

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:39.480
<v Speaker 21>Nonetheless, it's so funny though, because like every time I

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 21>take the left, and every time a left driver.

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:43.240
<v Speaker 9>Come over, they say, that's the way william house.

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:45.799
<v Speaker 21>And then like then we heard of it, and then

0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:47.240
<v Speaker 21>we googled in and everything.

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:49.279
<v Speaker 24>It was somebody at the gas station told me because

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 24>he needed a ride home or whatever, and they told him, oh,

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 24>you live over there by where and he said it

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 24>and he didn't think really anything about it. And then

0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:58.920
<v Speaker 24>a second person told him in the same.

0:47:58.719 --> 0:47:59.919
<v Speaker 4>Weeks, different mix.

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.359
<v Speaker 5>You know, what's the general consensus you're getting from people.

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 21>That he has something to do in it or whatever.

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:11.359
<v Speaker 21>But it was like, it's probably because clann alre they

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 21>bringing kids for them or whatever. I don't know, Yeah,

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 21>what did you hear about whatway Williams? I google No,

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:21.200
<v Speaker 21>But I believe that it's a lot of people in

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 21>pressing for stuff that they didn't do. Trust me, you know,

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.799
<v Speaker 21>and they get scared and taking deals, you know, and

0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 21>especially in place like Georgia, like where it's not even

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:32.600
<v Speaker 21>safe to go outside of Fourteenth County. Like you know,

0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 21>if you're African American, you know, the South is still

0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:38.719
<v Speaker 21>the South is all black on the outside and white

0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 21>in the middle. That's not a racist statement, it's it's

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 21>a true statement. Because you have black people out here

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 21>still that fear of white people. They don't want to,

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:49.640
<v Speaker 21>you know, they don't want to cross that line. A

0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 21>lot of people are still stuck in the past out here.

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I'd seen Wayne's house in his old neighborhood. But what

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.799
<v Speaker 1>about his car, the car that he was driving on

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the bridge that night, the same one Jimmy Howard was

0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:05.160
<v Speaker 1>writing in.

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 5>When the FBI picked him up.

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 1>The car that would have been a key piece of

0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>evidence in this case, if Wayne was in fact the

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta schold murderer.

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:14.720
<v Speaker 5>I searched the internet, but I wasn't hopeful.

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:17.240
<v Speaker 1>But believe it or not, I found a two thousand

0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 1>and nine article suggesting that I was completely intact. The

0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.239
<v Speaker 1>car was in possession of a man named doctor Blackwelder

0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:25.399
<v Speaker 1>in northeastern Alabama, or at.

0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 5>Least that's where it was eight years ago. I didn't know.

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:30.759
<v Speaker 1>Who this man was, and I couldn't find a single

0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 1>phone number for him, but I drove down there anyways.

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.239
<v Speaker 5>And gave it a shot. Maybe the car was still

0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 5>around and it was.

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Blackwelder was willing to give me his perspective. He

0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:48.520
<v Speaker 1>was actually a good family friend of Wayne Williams and

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 1>had been there through the whole thing, including the trial.

0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:54.360
<v Speaker 6>Trot was in eighty two, and as the hand of

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 6>the law enforcement and criminalistic program in a community college,

0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:00.760
<v Speaker 6>he would want to know if I'd come up some evidence.

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:02.839
<v Speaker 6>She just give him an opinion about what I thought

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:04.520
<v Speaker 6>about the evidence, if it was any good or not.

0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:08.000
<v Speaker 6>And as it ended up, I staved through the whole

0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 6>trial and got to know Wayne's mom and dad real well,

0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:15.440
<v Speaker 6>and then after it was over, I just stayed with

0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 6>him and I kept going to see Wayne's mother had

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:24.319
<v Speaker 6>catch her and she sometime during our conversation she made

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 6>me promise that I'd never turned my back on her baby,

0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:30.440
<v Speaker 6>and I told her, I said, well, I'll promise you

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:32.640
<v Speaker 6>that I'll ever turn my back holding But I said

0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 6>I might go promise him.

0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:34.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, all I should.

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 6>Agree with him, because he was hard to you know,

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:39.439
<v Speaker 6>sometimes she'd I did exactly agree on things.

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.200
<v Speaker 5>I asked Blackwold, why you even had the car.

0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 1>He explained that the car being part of the house

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<v Speaker 1>of Wayne's father, Homer Williams, for years just sitting there and.

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<v Speaker 6>He just pretty much parked in the backyard and just

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<v Speaker 6>left it. So and I went to the prison several

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<v Speaker 6>times to see Wayne until I got to where I

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<v Speaker 6>just had a heart attack and cancer and all that.

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<v Speaker 6>And then Homer died and Wayne called and he said,

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<v Speaker 6>you can have that scean wagon if you want it.

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<v Speaker 4>So my wife and I went over.

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<v Speaker 6>There with a roll bag and got the car and

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<v Speaker 6>brought it back over here.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty much is.

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<v Speaker 6>Most people just want to look at it and take pictures,

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<v Speaker 6>but we have people about two or three times and

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<v Speaker 6>boks that want to buy it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you carefully look at it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, everything is it?

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<v Speaker 6>It was in there when when I got it. Nobody's

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<v Speaker 6>earing thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So we don't want to worry.

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<v Speaker 1>Abrom all the stories i'd heard the station wagon was white,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't white anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>The car there's been white in the plays. When when

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<v Speaker 6>Wayne headed it was this color, and Homer painted the

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<v Speaker 6>blue collar after he got after Wayne was in prison.

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<v Speaker 5>It's now a light blue color and covered with brown rust.

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<v Speaker 1>Also full of dirt and junk fishing that papers men's

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<v Speaker 1>athletic shoes. Blackwater said he believes that most of this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff belonged to Wayne's father, Homer. Blackwaters seemed pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to Wayne Liams and his family, so I asked him

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<v Speaker 1>what was Wayne like.

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<v Speaker 6>He had an old police car that had he had

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<v Speaker 6>a scanner in it, and he would go out and

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<v Speaker 6>take pictures of fires and crime sines and things like

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<v Speaker 6>that and sell the pictures sing and bodies that warned you.

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<v Speaker 6>And he had a job of some type with WSB Television.

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<v Speaker 6>He would make you think that he was the star

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<v Speaker 6>of the show, but I think really he was just

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<v Speaker 6>a runner or so it was really when it came

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<v Speaker 6>out down to it, you know, he had a pretty

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<v Speaker 6>normal life. He was he was an only child, only

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<v Speaker 6>was spoiled, and I think his mom and dad he

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<v Speaker 6>had a need to be in the limelight. Have you

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<v Speaker 6>ever been in that house up there?

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<v Speaker 3>Not inside of it.

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<v Speaker 6>We walked outside, okay, and on very back was where

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<v Speaker 6>his radio station was, and he had some kind of

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<v Speaker 6>small transmitter that would cover the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 12>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he was the DJ and the news director, but

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<v Speaker 6>he wanted to open his radio station up and then

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<v Speaker 6>he wanted to be a promoter or something. That's what

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<v Speaker 6>he was doing out when they caught him on the bridge.

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<v Speaker 6>He was trying to find the address of a girl

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<v Speaker 6>that he had an interview with the next day to

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<v Speaker 6>do singing or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Blackwater had sat through the entire trial, so he actually

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<v Speaker 1>owned all the defense documents. He even played a role

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<v Speaker 1>in the trial actively working with wings attorneys.

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<v Speaker 6>My agreement was with him that I would get a

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<v Speaker 6>copy of all of the documents that they used, and

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<v Speaker 6>I got copies of all. I've got a basement with

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<v Speaker 6>eight or ten bucars full of documents, all the reports

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<v Speaker 6>and all the documentaries that the defense got under discovery,

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<v Speaker 6>the federal documents, FBI documents, and practically all of the

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<v Speaker 6>state documents, FBI reports, all the autopsy reports had scribble

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<v Speaker 6>notes that the attorneys took dinner, a meeting at night.

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<v Speaker 6>His mother gave me several photographs that of their family

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<v Speaker 6>album of Wayne. It was just a little bit fellow

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<v Speaker 6>growing up. You see how my filing system.

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<v Speaker 4>Is right here.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it seems like it's kind of my folly system.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, after I retired, I brought everything into the house.

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<v Speaker 6>It's all just so I'll have to get somebody to

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<v Speaker 6>get somebody to go through and dig it out.

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<v Speaker 4>But I've got it. It's all. It's sealed up.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think he got a fair trial because I

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<v Speaker 6>know that Maynard Jackson and all of them needed somebody

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<v Speaker 6>to call it because it was affecting convention in trade

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<v Speaker 6>and so forth. And when I would go up there

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<v Speaker 6>on the weekends and go out and eat, a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of the resturants will be just about empty. And the

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<v Speaker 6>people said the business had really fallen off since that happened,

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<v Speaker 6>and it it hadn't picked up, you know. But once

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<v Speaker 6>they called him, then everybody took a shower or leave

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<v Speaker 6>and thought, well, you know, we can go back to

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<v Speaker 6>live in our normal lives. And of course they called him,

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<v Speaker 6>which means people will assume that if they catch somebody,

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<v Speaker 6>he's guilty, and then during the trial it would have

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<v Speaker 6>been hard, I think for Jerry to find him not

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<v Speaker 6>guilty and then go back into their neighborhoods and live.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know how much to a what degree.

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<v Speaker 6>They just didn't want to have to put up with

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<v Speaker 6>what they would catch from the people of school, to

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<v Speaker 6>work at church or whatever if they had found him

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<v Speaker 6>not guilty. So I think that plays a part in it,

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<v Speaker 6>but I don't know how much.

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<v Speaker 1>After several months of researching the Atlanta child murders and

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne Williams himself, I found the case perplexing and nobody

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to agree on anything. After meeting in person with

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<v Speaker 1>Tween Hendricks in Texas, he called me out of the

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<v Speaker 1>blue one day and was about to send this projects

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<v Speaker 1>in a whole new direction.

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<v Speaker 2>It was going all day and I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to you.

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<v Speaker 23>I actually spoke.

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<v Speaker 8>With Wayne WI about the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>He basically gave his blessings, gave me ain't light, and he's.

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<v Speaker 12>Willing to talk.

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<v Speaker 11>Give me a call you get.

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<v Speaker 4>Out the tummy tree.

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<v Speaker 5>Next time on Atlanta Monster.

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<v Speaker 4>Alexa, watch the temperature.

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<v Speaker 23>Right now in Piedmont. It's forty nine degrees with clear

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<v Speaker 23>skies throughout the night. You can expect more of the

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<v Speaker 23>same with a low of thirty six degrees.

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<v Speaker 3>Alexa, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 6>You're welcome, Alexa.

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<v Speaker 24>Will you marry me?

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<v Speaker 23>I don't want to be tied down. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 23>can't be. I'm amorphosed by nature.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you drinking her prisoner here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 12>I am really