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Speaker 1: Cheryl Cocher seemingly disappears. This is what we know. Seven

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Speaker 1: at seven thirty five she posts on Facebook. Now, according

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Speaker 1: to the Riverside Police, at seven forty five am, everything's fine,

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Speaker 1: but significantly all social media everything with Cheryl Cheryl Cocher stops.

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Speaker 1: What happened to Cheryl Cocher? Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Riverside Detective Travis Abernue says, this case has quickly become urgent.

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Speaker 1: Stephane not normal. This is an odd case, to say

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Speaker 1: the least. Wednesday Night, Detective Abney says, the department recovered

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Speaker 1: Coker's car in a parking lot of Burkhart and Spinning Road.

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Speaker 1: Coker has two thousand and sixteen Toyota Highlander was found

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Speaker 1: your Clancy's taver A car locked. Her belongings were still inside.

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Speaker 1: added to the suspicion. To say the least. Coker is

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Speaker 1: What happened to Cheryl Poker? Joining me an all star

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Speaker 1: panel to break it down put it back together again.

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot judge, trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley

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Speaker 1: Wilcot dot Com. James Shellnutt metro major, k SWAT officer

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Speaker 1: now lawyer, forensics expert, founder Bear Bones Consulting, Karen Smith,

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Speaker 1: forensic Psychiatrists joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction. You

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Speaker 1: can find him at Instagram at doctor Daniel Bober. But

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Speaker 1: right now, to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Paige,

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Speaker 1: tell me Levi about the surroundings. What happened when Cheryl

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Speaker 1: Cooker goes missing? So, Nancy, it's October second, twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: and she dropped her daughter off at seven thirty in

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Speaker 1: wait wa wait, slow it down. She was in the shower,

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Speaker 1: He says that he was asleep, asleep, Okay. Trying to

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Speaker 1: establish a timeline is the number one priority of police

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Speaker 1: at this juncture. Take a listen to our friend Cheryl

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Speaker 1: mckinry w hiot V seven News, October two. Detectives say

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Speaker 1: Cheryl left her house on Christie Avenue about seven fifteen,

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Speaker 1: just stopped. Three hours later, surveillance video shows Cheryl's su

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Speaker 1: Riverside police to report her sister missing after Cheryl's daughter

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Speaker 1: couldn't reach her too and never never be gone without

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Speaker 1: Sheryl Koger's daughter tells me she used to find my

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Speaker 1: But you are right, Nancy, Women, and you know, vulnerable

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Speaker 1: like things have been clean? Do you smell bleach? That's

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Speaker 1: a big clue. And I'm not trying to I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to hang the guy. All I'm saying is is

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00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: if he has nothing to hide, the search warrant should

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00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: turn up literally nothing as far as he's concerned. Just

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00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: like the polygraph crime stories with Nancy Grace. Despite searching

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Speaker 1: from eight am to about five this afternoon, they did

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Speaker 1: not uncover anything today. But that does not mean that

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00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: they're stopping or quitting. In fact, tomorrow they will be

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00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: right back out in Vandalia again, tightening the circle of

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Speaker 1: the area that they'll be searching to see where Sheryl

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Speaker 1: Coker might be. Cheryl Coker has been gone for almost

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Speaker 1: a year. Today, EQUI search leaders are more confident than

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Speaker 1: ever that they will find her after conducting a large

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Speaker 1: search effort in an undisclosed location and then Delia, we're

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Speaker 1: one step away. I think, I think we're in the

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Speaker 1: right church, but we got to find the right pew.

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00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: You guys, make sure you search that area real good

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Speaker 1: because the car couldn't easily fit through there. Saturday search

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00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: wasn't without its challenges. It's kind of brutal out here,

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Speaker 1: but the volunteers continue to search for hours, unwilling to

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Speaker 1: give up on finding their neighbor. They have one of

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00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: their own that's missing. You know, they take this stuff

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00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: personally and they want they want to find her for

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00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: the family. You are hearing our friends at WDTNTV leave

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Speaker 1: my page. What can you tell me about the search? Nancy?

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Speaker 1: We know that on Halloween twenty eighteen, police released information

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Speaker 1: about the search warrants that they conducted in this case.

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Speaker 1: They had two search warrants for the Toyota Highlander that

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Cooker drove the twenty seventeen Toyota, Tacoma that her

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Speaker 1: husband drove. We know that there was a search warrant

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Speaker 1: for her husband's cell phone, court orders to search the

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Speaker 1: bank records of both Cheryl and William Cooker. There was

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Speaker 1: a court order to search records held by William Cooker's

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Speaker 1: place of employment, two court orders for cell records for

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Speaker 1: two separate phone numbers, and they had a search warrant

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Speaker 1: for the residence of their home. And in it they

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00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: talk about what they're looking for. Any items used to

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Speaker 1: conceal or dispose of a body in any and all materials,

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Speaker 1: electrical stimuli, chemicals, topicals, indigestibles are inhalance that could render

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Speaker 1: a human unresponsive or unconscious. Wow, that sounds like a

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Speaker 1: lot of legal documents as well. What can you tell

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Speaker 1: us about the search for her body, Nancy. We know

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Speaker 1: that Texas Equisearch, which is a high profile search team

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Speaker 1: that is volunteered in a lot of cases that we

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00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: know of, like Natalie Holloway, Stacy Peterson, they volunteered their

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00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: time to search in this case and they have found

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00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: in muddy searches that they've done evidence. Now they're not

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Speaker 1: saying what exactly they found, but they said that they

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Speaker 1: did find evidence and turned it over to law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: and law enforcement told them not to speak specifically about

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Speaker 1: what they did find. We are also learning that police

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00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: say they have a suspect, but James Shellnutt Metro major

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Speaker 1: case and lawyer, no arrest or formal charges have been made. Why.

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Speaker 1: I think that they've had a hard time linking this

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Speaker 1: beyond a circumstantial case. And although in many states people

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Speaker 1: can be convicted on circumstantial evidence, I think they're wanting

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Speaker 1: just a little bit more of this case. I believe

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Speaker 1: wholeheartedly that the detectives and even the district attorney's office

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00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: believe they know exactly who killed her, But I think

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Speaker 1: they're wanting just a little bit more. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at w DTNTV. Cooker's husband, William, has

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00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: been named the homicide suspect by Riverside police, but has

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00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: been neither arrested nor charged with the crime. Since the

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00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: case is ongoing, the search team must be careful even

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Speaker 1: if they do find something, So we want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we're doing things the right way, so if

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Speaker 1: something is found that through the judicial system, we're doing

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Speaker 1: things right. So nobody gets off on any technicologies, but

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Speaker 1: they're not leaving any stone unturned in their search to

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Speaker 1: bring closure to the Cooker family. When we do something,

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00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: we're absolutely doing it, crossing the t's and dotting the eyes.

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Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee you if this isn't the last

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Speaker 1: time you'll see me. We know that extensive searches have

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00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: taken place to find her body. Still nothing, no arrest.

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Speaker 1: Now police have going out on a limb and they

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00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: say they have a suspect in the case. They are

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00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: naming her husband as a suspect. But that is not

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Speaker 1: an arrest or an indictment. Make what about it, Ashley

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00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: will Cott, Yeah, it doesn't. So you know, there are

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00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: different standards of evidence and how much information they have

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00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: and part of what I think has happened in this case.

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00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but kind

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Speaker 1: of a court of public opinion, because everybody says he

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00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: did it, he did it, he did it, all right,

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00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: So as a judge, I've got different standards. If I'm

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00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: going to sign an arrest warrant, there has to be

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Speaker 1: probable cause for finding that the person I'm signing the

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00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: arrest warrant for committed the crime. And if I don't

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00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: see that evidence, if there's not enough evidence connecting that

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00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: person to having committed the crime, in this case, him

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00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: killing his wife or being involved with the disappearance, since

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00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 1: the body hasn't been found, then I can't sign an

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00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: arrest warrant. And then after that the next step is

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00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: all right, you have them arrested, but then you also

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00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: have to have enough to take them to trial to

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00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: prove the crime against them. Listen, even though Cooker's body

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00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: has never been found, that's despite the public helping search

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00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: since April and police naming her husband a homicide suspect

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00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: in February. A business's surveillance video the IT Team has

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00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: previously obtained from the morning Cooker disappeared shows her suv

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00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: pull into the Kroger parking lot less than a mile

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Speaker 1: from her house. The video shows a person dressed in

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00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: all black getting out of Coker's suv. That's close to

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00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: the time someone called nine one one saying they saw

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00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: a suspicious man dressed in black walking in her neighborhood.

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00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: Later that night, surveillance footage captures Bill Cooker at Kroger

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Speaker 1: getting groceries. As he's leaving, police said Bill Cocker appears

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00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: to have a visible injury on his arm. Investigators believe

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00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: that is significant to the case. Police say that they

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00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: now believe Sheryl Cocker was murdered. They have named her husband,

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00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: Old Cooker, is their main suspect. He denies wrongdoing. Do

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00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: you have any idea what happened to Cheryl some previously

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00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: behavior right before she disappeared? And I haven't really been

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00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: willing to put that out there because I didn't want

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: to hear about it. The question that police would ask

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00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: you or our audience would ask you, did Did you

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00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 1: have anything to do with Cheryl's death? Did you kill her? No?

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00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: I didn't, I did not, and you have anything Never,

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00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: never in my entire life heard anyone given that when

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00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: you you came back from Florida the very next day

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00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: was the day that she apparently was the last time

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00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: anyone saw her. Is that correct? Yea, So did you

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00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: get to see her in between the time you came

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00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: back and the time that she took Michael at to

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00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: school that day? I seen her the night we came back, okay,

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00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: and then she left it school that the next day,

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00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: and you went over to the house after that. No,

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Speaker 1: I would as of right now, no arrest and no

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00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: formal charges. How badly will it hurt the case? James

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00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: shalnot that there is no body, you know, Nancy, Not

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00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: having a body is an issue. Not having it is

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00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: definitely an issue. However, there have been cases across the

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Speaker 1: country where defendants have been convicted of murder without a

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00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: body being ever found. Take a listen to this. Despite

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00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: searching from eight am to about five this afternoon, they

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00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: did not uncover anything today. But that does not mean

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00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: that they're stopping or quitting. In fact, tomorrow they will

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00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: be right back out in Vandalia again, tightening the circle

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00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: of the area that they'll be searching to see where

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Speaker 1: Sheryl Cooker might be. You were hearing our friends at

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Speaker 1: w DT and TV News. That was Williamson. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfolds tipline nine three seven six eight one

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Speaker 1: two three zero one Nancy Grace crime story signing off,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,