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Speaker 1: ween out on Patreon. Okay, if a wizard approached you,
Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein and said tonight, you will forget everything you
Speaker 1: know about the teams that you love, and those memories
Speaker 1: will be replaced by a lifetime of experiences of being
Speaker 1: a fan of a completely different team. But you must choose. Now,
Speaker 1: which team would you pick?
Speaker 2: Dan? So in my lifetime?
Speaker 1: Yeah, in lifetime, all of those wonderful Oregon memories before that,
Speaker 1: I guess Florida State for you. Okay, all of your
Speaker 1: college football memories of a specific team, your favorite team,
Speaker 1: those are going to be hot swapped with those of
Speaker 1: another team.
Speaker 2: So let's say since two thousand somewhere in there. Does
Speaker 2: that make sense?
Speaker 1: I mean, that would only be half of your lifetime.
Speaker 1: But sure, if you want to.
Speaker 2: Say no, I know, but it's okay, you can. You
Speaker 2: can do. There's just so many different eras to sort
Speaker 2: of weigh. So if I had to swap memories, I
Speaker 2: think it would be lame to say Alabama, Right, that
Speaker 2: would be lame. That would be a dorks answer to
Speaker 2: say Alabama or Ohio State. I don't know that does.
Speaker 2: I'm looking for strictly a fun experience, So you have
Speaker 2: to experience some lows so the highs feel a little
Speaker 2: bit sweeter. You have to there has to be a
Speaker 2: fun element to this. If I'm going to pick a
Speaker 2: specific memory implant, I want to implant fun memories that
Speaker 2: like there are upsets involved. Maybe style of play is
Speaker 2: interesting to watch over the years. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: choose a national championship team I don't think.
Speaker 1: Well, So there's two strategies to this, Right, If the
Speaker 1: wizard is going to wipe out all my Notre Dame stuff, yeah,
Speaker 1: and replace it with the team of my choosing. I
Speaker 1: either want to pick a team that is currently good
Speaker 1: so that I hit the ground running. Yeah, Ohio State,
Speaker 1: George's a team that is very much in the zeitgeist,
Speaker 1: or the other avenue, maybe this is the one you prefer,
Speaker 1: pick a team that used to be good, or just
Speaker 1: pick a team that has a lot of great memories,
Speaker 1: Like I was thinking Stanford Stanford not currently good, but
Speaker 1: Stanford had and those are some lows. Man, Stanford had
Speaker 1: an incredible run with Christian McCaffrey, when Jim Harball was
Speaker 1: there Andrew Luck. Right, So there are two different ways
Speaker 1: that you could approach this.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do. I don't think there's enough juice around
Speaker 2: Stanford football to say I am implanting my brain. Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: So if I were to choose a national championship program,
Speaker 2: which I don't think I should, I might choose LS.
Speaker 2: I think there are enough highs, enough entertainment around the
Speaker 2: program enough players that are so rootable that you would
Speaker 2: just enjoy your time being on that side of the action.
Speaker 2: Over the years, obviously you're going back, you're getting less miles,
Speaker 2: you're getting coach Oh, You're getting Nick Saban, You're getting
Speaker 2: some low points in the nineties, You're getting some low
Speaker 2: points here and there, coming down off of some high points.
Speaker 2: But I think entertainment factor among the elite teams, without
Speaker 2: saying Ohio State, without saying Alabama, whatever that next tier is,
Speaker 2: that makes sense to me. If I'm going to select
Speaker 2: a team that's just not a national championship team, that's quality,
Speaker 2: that cares, that plays in big games, that plays an
Speaker 2: entertaining brand of football, that has had upsets, I think
Speaker 2: you might be able to do worse than Ole miss
Speaker 2: Ooh okay, that's not good.
Speaker 1: Now, that's not bad. I thought you were going to
Speaker 1: take mine, which was mine is Boise State.
Speaker 2: Boise State hasn't won national championship, has had fun, has
Speaker 2: had quality. The frustration about like the ceiling involved with
Speaker 2: being a Poise State fan.
Speaker 1: For sure, But you know, I believe it is you,
Speaker 1: my trustee co host, who has argued for or an
Speaker 1: eternity on this show that the national championship is not
Speaker 1: necessarily the point.
Speaker 2: No, I know, but you're talking about access, right. It's
Speaker 2: a different argument when you're saying, like, we don't even
Speaker 2: have access when we are going eleven and one, twelve
Speaker 2: and er. It's not the point as a national fan
Speaker 2: to me, But I understand the frustrations of bois people
Speaker 2: in the two thousands.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can only imagine the unbelievable high that
Speaker 1: came with that Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma back in
Speaker 1: the day, sure, right, So to have that in my
Speaker 1: memory bank would definitely make me at least five percent
Speaker 1: more joyful of a human being and a college football fan,
Speaker 1: and also to some extent being unburdened for a long
Speaker 1: time from that national championship conversation. I understand there might
Speaker 1: be some frustration that comes with it, but to not
Speaker 1: necessarily start the season wondering if that's gonna happen, that
Speaker 1: would definitely cut stress out of my life, out of
Speaker 1: my memory bank. And also being able to watch this
Speaker 1: slow build of Boise State through the nineties up to
Speaker 1: present day. You know, that has definitely been I think
Speaker 1: the journey of a lifetime for Boise State. Fans watching
Speaker 1: this program rise to prominence, most recently now being in
Speaker 1: a college football playoff, having great players move through their
Speaker 1: sort of being this upstart program, this team that can
Speaker 1: upset you if you're not paying attention, while at the
Speaker 1: same time now obviously being more of a national story.
Speaker 1: So I just think that evolution would have been fun
Speaker 1: to watch. If I could swap out some of the
Speaker 1: painful Notre Dame losses to like mac teams and maybe
Speaker 1: swap in just this perennial underdog. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a bad trade to made. If if the Wizard presents
Speaker 1: himself to me and gives this unholy choice.
Speaker 2: To me, I would have a conversation about either of
Speaker 2: the Arizona schools, because that means I probably lived in
Speaker 2: warm Weather had access to better Mexican food. Okay, I've
Speaker 2: always had.
Speaker 1: This isn't a life thing, this is just a memory state.
Speaker 1: I play to a football team.
Speaker 2: Here's here's why I say, Arizona schools. You're generally getting
Speaker 2: quality with some definitive low points. Some of the Herm
Speaker 2: Edwards years, some of the Kevin Someone years get.
Speaker 1: Kevin Someone years. Man, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: You're competing for conference championships, there's pretty consistent quality even
Speaker 2: if you're losing, you know, even if you're sort of
Speaker 2: the Washington Generals to you know, the better Stanford Oregon
Speaker 2: USC teams throughout the years in the Pac twelve. Now
Speaker 2: you're moving on to the Big twelve. So there's a
Speaker 2: little bit of novelty involved with being a fan of
Speaker 2: one of those schools. But at the same time, you're
Speaker 2: not expecting eleven wins a year. Like you get to
Speaker 2: live in a reality that it's probably more healthy, sure,
Speaker 2: and you appreciate the finer things when they arrive.
Speaker 1: See that's my Boise argument right there.
Speaker 2: Well poise poises highs have been higher to me, sure
Speaker 2: more consistently. But the down part of Boisse is you
Speaker 2: have to ride through the Andy Avlos and Brian Harsoniers.
Speaker 1: Which are not a Well there's no perfect answer. There's
Speaker 1: no perfect answer, but I would love to hear from
Speaker 1: people in this one. This is a fabulous question from ween.
Speaker 1: By the way, I want of our trustee for ballers. Uh,
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Speaker 2: Or you can take the tact of take a more
Speaker 2: downtrodden program, be a Vandy fan, be a per new fan,
Speaker 2: be a Rutgers fan, because you expect nothing and you
Speaker 2: get to be surprised by competence, and so you protect
Speaker 2: yourself against the pain. Tie. No, you're like, I'm a
Speaker 2: Vandy fan. We're gonna lose, but if we don't, holy moly,
Speaker 2: we're gonna throw some stuff into a river. I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's something to be said about protecting from the pain,
Speaker 2: but I don't think you can live your life like that, right.
Speaker 2: You gotta love like nobody's watching. Tie. That's what your
Speaker 2: tattoo says. That's what that's the core belief of mine. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: so all right, answer. Let's go to this question from Efrin. Okay,
Speaker 2: I understand that the Big Ten has org, Ohio State, Michigan,
Speaker 2: and Penn State. Yes, that leaves fourteen teams. Are those
Speaker 2: fourteen teams so vastly superior to the Big twelve? I
Speaker 2: feel like there's not a lot of difference between the
Speaker 2: Minnesota's and Illinois and teams like Case State and Baylor.
Speaker 1: However, people keep on talking about the Big Twelve like
Speaker 1: it's a poverty league. Poverty league.
Speaker 2: Who name names, that's my problem, name names?
Speaker 1: He says, what do you what do you all think?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I don't think Ephan's wrong, Okay. I think on
Speaker 1: this show we've done our best to push back on
Speaker 1: that narrative a bit because we love the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: So once again we're saying, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State,
Speaker 2: take them aside, take away ties, billion dollar Hollywood face. Sure,
Speaker 2: he's not so different than you and I, that's right, Okay.
Speaker 1: What he's wrong about, I think is the approach to
Speaker 1: the question. Okay, because he is thinking about this like
Speaker 1: a logical college football fan, right, who cares about nuance
Speaker 1: looking at the middle of a conference, looking at something
Speaker 1: from soup to nuts. The broader national conversation is defined
Speaker 1: by the top of a conference, not the media middle.
Speaker 2: So that's like the competent depth.
Speaker 1: But that includes the top of the top, that includes
Speaker 1: the top top absolutely. So I think in that sense
Speaker 1: because of conference realignment, because the Big Twelve is kind
Speaker 1: of headless at this point, we don't know who's taking
Speaker 1: over the mantle. Oh my Arizona State sun Devils, our
Speaker 1: tie nacos that he thinks it could be ASU, why
Speaker 1: not them? Right, But the top of the conference at
Speaker 1: present remains somewhat undefined. Yeah, I actually think the more
Speaker 1: interesting experiment to test this theory would be to put
Speaker 1: out a poll, and I guess we could do this
Speaker 1: if we want it, asking whether or not just a
Speaker 1: blind taste test. I guess it's not blind. But you
Speaker 1: see where I'm going with continual which conference is tougher,
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve or the ACC? And I want to
Speaker 1: see how people answer that because the ACC definitely has
Speaker 1: teams with a little bit more star power. You've got
Speaker 1: Clemson in Florida State, and Miami and North Carolina, even
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech. Right, I think the highs of that conference
Speaker 1: just in terms of name recognition, brand recognition, all those
Speaker 1: goofy buzzwords, it's probably higher in the ACC, even though
Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily that it's a tougher conference, But
Speaker 1: I just think with some of that star power at
Speaker 1: the very top, you would have a poll that skews
Speaker 1: in the direction of the ACC. That's my theory. I agree,
Speaker 1: So I think that's where the Big Twelve comes up
Speaker 1: a little bit short, just in terms of the top
Speaker 1: of the conference. The other thing that I would say
Speaker 1: about the Big twelve. Dan, Yeah, four of the five
Speaker 1: biggest TV markets belong to newer teams. Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: biggest in Houston, which Houston's got a good sized fan base,
Speaker 1: but they just got there. They don't have a whole
Speaker 1: lot of experience competing at the Power Conference level. TCU
Speaker 1: and Fort Worth is the next highest, made the title
Speaker 1: game a couple of years ago, but TCUs a smaller
Speaker 1: private school constantly competing for oxygen with schools like Texas
Speaker 1: Texas A and M for I guess broader recognition in
Speaker 1: the state of Texas and beyond. The next biggest are
Speaker 1: Arizona State, new Team Colorado, new Team UCF, relatively new
Speaker 1: team right. So again to the recognition point, the biggest
Speaker 1: TV markets in general belong to new teams. And if
Speaker 1: I can make one final point before I kick it
Speaker 1: over to you, yes, I don't know if the middle
Speaker 1: of the Big ten is necessarily better than upper middle
Speaker 1: of the Big twelve. To Effhren's point, they are richer,
Speaker 1: though they are much richer. Yeah, And I think again,
Speaker 1: if we're talking of this in terms of like the
Speaker 1: broader national conversation, whether or not people want that to
Speaker 1: factor in. It is definitely still something on the periphery
Speaker 1: that people think about when they make a snap judgment
Speaker 1: on a conference.
Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, what do you think? Okay, So it's hard
Speaker 2: to separate awareness, it's hard to separate national familiarity from
Speaker 2: this question. You'll notice it was Ephremn left out USC, right,
Speaker 2: huge program in a huge place with huge a huge name, brand, coach, whatever,
Speaker 2: and just very recognizable in terms of where this program
Speaker 2: has been in college football, and not recently, not recently,
Speaker 2: but we're not too old that we forget USC as
Speaker 2: a national power.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you're kind of making my Big
Speaker 1: twelve point here as well. Sure, because when you think
Speaker 1: of the Big twelve, you don't necessarily think of like
Speaker 1: Arizona State, Arizona.
Speaker 2: No Arizona, Arizona State are Pack twelve programs.
Speaker 1: Right, And I think the same is true on USC's front.
Speaker 1: I still don't call the old school. I know they're
Speaker 1: technically as is Oregon in Washington, Ucla. I know these
Speaker 1: teams are technically in the Big ten. But well, at
Speaker 1: your finger snap judgment, I'm not thinking US season the
Speaker 1: Big ten yet. I have not reprogrammed that quickly.
Speaker 2: USC is a little bit different to me because they
Speaker 2: actively tried to murder the conference they were in. So
Speaker 2: I am from my vantage point, USC is a murderer,
Speaker 2: and so they're a Big Ten team. This is what
Speaker 2: they wanted college football to be. They wanted USC comma
Speaker 2: Big Ten member.
Speaker 1: We had a guy right in by the way every
Speaker 1: time we talk about USC schedule, wanted me to play.
Speaker 2: Sure, we took a few years off. I mean, they
Speaker 2: played Notre Dame and Oregon this year, right, I know.
Speaker 1: We could start that back up, though it's always fun continue.
Speaker 2: The other thing, the Big Twelve just feels so much
Speaker 2: even though it spans you know, Arizona to West Virginia
Speaker 2: and Orlando, there is still something highly regional, if not
Speaker 2: about like the places or the alums, but the interest
Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve. That look, I've lived on the
Speaker 2: West Coast, I've lived on the East Coast, and now
Speaker 2: I live in the biggest city in the Midwest, and
Speaker 2: when you look up and down the Big Twelve, I
Speaker 2: can't think this is an insane anecdotal piece of argument
Speaker 2: that I'm about to make. Okay, this is cow Herdian
Speaker 2: in its nature. Okay, great, I don't think and maybe
Speaker 2: somebody's listening to this and knows me and is friends
Speaker 2: with me. I don't think I know a single person
Speaker 2: that went to any of these schools that lives near
Speaker 2: me right now. But I can think of I have
Speaker 2: SEC friends, I have obviously Big Ten friends, I have
Speaker 2: former Pac twelve friends, I have ACC friends. But what's
Speaker 2: interesting to me, and I don't know if it's just
Speaker 2: a footprint thing, but there is something about the Big
Speaker 2: Twelve that when you lose the recognizable heads of a
Speaker 2: conference in Texas and Oklahoma. And by the way, I
Speaker 2: think the Big Twelve is a sensational job in rebuilding
Speaker 2: and repopulating and having a high floor.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like what they've done. And I'm
Speaker 1: not necessarily making this argument that effort is is batting around,
Speaker 1: not at all. I mean, people who listen know that
Speaker 1: we like the conference. But it's I think it's a
Speaker 1: fair point to raise because this is very much the narrative.
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
Speaker 2: And you look at the teams who have played in
Speaker 2: huge national games recently in the postseason. You have TCU,
Speaker 2: of course, you have ASU, of course, and then you
Speaker 2: look at the rest of the list in terms of
Speaker 2: playoff playoff ish teams. Utah has kind of flirted, but
Speaker 2: they've been a Big Twelve team for an hour and
Speaker 2: a half. Kansas State has had some really interesting high
Speaker 2: like they just there's no consistency at or near the top.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State or of showed it. They make a Big
Speaker 2: Twelve championship game and fall off like the Mariannus trench
Speaker 2: of college football immedia? Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1: Yes in the Atlantic, Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so there is something about the consistency of
Speaker 2: inconsistency in the Big Twelve where you're just like, who
Speaker 2: is this conference built on the backs of And when
Speaker 2: you look at the ACC and you look at the
Speaker 2: interest that you know, Clemson has generated nationally and it's
Speaker 2: taken a while. But Miami, of course not necessarily within
Speaker 2: the ACC, but it's a huge brand with recognizable everything
Speaker 2: about Miami football. Say what you will, Miami's huge. And
Speaker 2: then there's there are the enormous schools or the big,
Speaker 2: big name schools, whatever you want to call it in
Speaker 2: the Northeast. Not that they've had sustained success, but these
Speaker 2: are huge programs, both in basketball and football, and the
Speaker 2: Big Twelve has a ton of basketball firepower, but I
Speaker 2: don't know. There is still something about a bunch of
Speaker 2: B plus type programs that is impressive and to be
Speaker 2: modeled after. But there has to be that bar. That's
Speaker 2: what we talked about when Nick Saban retired, that Alabama
Speaker 2: did the impossible thing in the SEC where it was
Speaker 2: people decry a lack of parity, but it is nice
Speaker 2: that we had this measuring stick of a program in Alabama.
Speaker 2: I hope, for the sake of the Big Twelve, maybe
Speaker 2: that becomes Arizona State. It'd be very cool. They seem
Speaker 2: to be a very likable program at the moment, unless
Speaker 2: you're in Tucson, I guess, And you need that bar
Speaker 2: to measure yourself against, and the Big Twelve is searching
Speaker 2: for that. It's a conference in its absolute infancy. Whereas
Speaker 2: like the Big Ten in SEC and ACC are growing
Speaker 2: by adding to an existing roster, the Big Twelve had
Speaker 2: to morph into something new when losing its huge brands.
Speaker 2: And so sure you can say the Big Twelve is
Speaker 2: competitive with the Big Ten minus the bars and the
Speaker 2: SEC minus the bars, But I mean, this is why
Speaker 2: movie stars have the prettiest faces, you know, like you
Speaker 2: got to have that recognizable flash to sell tickets, and
Speaker 2: you know, we're paying to see Sidney Sweeney, not Cheryl Sweeney.
Speaker 2: Cow Herdian soapbox.
Speaker 1: Now, now that that was a great Cowhardian argument. By
Speaker 1: the way, as you were going off on that tangent
Speaker 1: p I did post to our social account a poll
Speaker 1: asking which conference do you think is tougher, Big twelve
Speaker 1: or ACC? So by the time, by this time tomorrow
Speaker 1: we'll know the answer to the experiment. But I if
Speaker 1: I were to venture a guess, I would say the ACC.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily because I think it's that much tougher or
Speaker 1: weaker or whatever, but I just think because of the top,
Speaker 1: because of the star power at the top, that is
Speaker 1: what works against the Big twelve. You made the same
Speaker 1: point as well. I would expect that the ACC is
Speaker 1: going to win this, but we'll see. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's also people are probably gonna make jokes about this
Speaker 1: this question and altogether.
Speaker 2: But no, it's fine. And it's also look from a
Speaker 2: recruiting standpoint, and I guess portal standpoint, but mostly recruiting.
Speaker 2: You know, over the last you know, five ten years,
Speaker 2: and then Texas Tech was a major player in the
Speaker 2: portal this year, and we'll see how that works out
Speaker 2: for them. But these this is a conference that from
Speaker 2: a pure roster standpoint, and it's changed again in the
Speaker 2: portal era, it's a conference that can't absorb injuries, that
Speaker 2: hasn't built up the kind of depth when you compare
Speaker 2: it against other conferences that you know, a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, a couple of quarterbacks go down and West
Speaker 2: Virginia's win in a bunch more games than they probably
Speaker 2: should have, and good for them, right that it's easier
Speaker 2: to win games in a conference that doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 2: NFL depth at a lot of positions. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying the Big Twelve is easy, no, but I think
Speaker 2: the bar to get to, you know, the road to
Speaker 2: eight wins in the Big Twelve maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: easier because you're not dealing with week in and week out.
Speaker 2: You know, this team might not have an offense, but
Speaker 2: their defense is incredible, or this team might not have
Speaker 2: a defense, but their offense is incredible. I think you're
Speaker 2: getting a lot of mediocrity at you know, a three
Speaker 2: to four position group layer that you might not be
Speaker 2: getting in the bottom of the or the middle of
Speaker 2: the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's move on. Let's go to this one
Speaker 1: from Dan. Okay, every podcaster in college football media member
Speaker 1: with a mailbag has been asked a dozen times? How
Speaker 1: many years would it take Nick Saban to turn X
Speaker 1: into a contender?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Saban only really one big at decided blue blood programs
Speaker 1: like LSU and Alabama. Yeah, what is the lowest tier
Speaker 1: of a program that the best coaches in the game
Speaker 1: could turn into a top five team? Could they do
Speaker 1: it or could they do it at a top fifteen program,
Speaker 1: a top twenty five program? What is the lowest tier?
Speaker 1: Let's use Nick Saban as an example, best coach of
Speaker 1: all time in college football? Sure you put Nick Saban
Speaker 1: the Eastern Michigan. I don't like that exercise is stupid, Okay, explain.
Speaker 2: Nick Saban would never These guys are used to a
Speaker 2: certain lifestyle and it's not worth it for them. The
Speaker 2: money is not worth it if the money behind the
Speaker 2: program and the prestige behind the program isn't aligned with
Speaker 2: what they're used to doing with coaching. So I think
Speaker 2: the more sensical question is what Dan is actually asking,
Speaker 2: right that, like Nick Saban going to a MAX school
Speaker 2: and winning the mac a bunch of times, but he's
Speaker 2: never going to really be able to probably generate enough
Speaker 2: financial interest behind the scenes at the school and amongst
Speaker 2: alumni to draw in five stars from Florida and Georgia
Speaker 2: to play for Eastern Michigan.
Speaker 1: So I mean, realistically, yeah, this would have been a
Speaker 1: different question fifteen years ago, right, because back in the day,
Speaker 1: you could build up teams kind of like you build
Speaker 1: them up in the video game, where you consistently recruit well,
Speaker 1: you consistently develop talent, you see a progression of results
Speaker 1: on the conference, on the national level, and then at
Speaker 1: some point, if you're doing it right, you hit a
Speaker 1: critical mess. Right, you know, I'm oversimplifying, but it's not
Speaker 1: unlike what happened at Boise State, which I sort of
Speaker 1: just described right in twenty twenty five, though, this is
Speaker 1: a much different answer, even though we did see a
Speaker 1: guy like a Frank Signetti turn around Indiana in one
Speaker 1: off season. Regardless of what you think of Indiana, they
Speaker 1: should be in the playoff. They should in Indiana went
Speaker 1: from three to nine to eleven and two. With a
Speaker 1: better coach and with help of the transfer portal, you
Speaker 1: can do it very quickly. It's not the same time
Speaker 1: calculation as it used to be, and a favorable schedule,
Speaker 1: and a favorable schedule, so you know, you put a
Speaker 1: big name coach, a bigger name coach at really any school,
Speaker 1: you will probably see something of a spike in terms
Speaker 1: of transfer interest, in terms of maybe the donor class,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But the bigger question is that donor class
Speaker 1: to your point, all right, donor class and revenue on
Speaker 1: the football program, because it's gonna take money. Now, it's
Speaker 1: gonna take money to bring the talent in. It's gonna
Speaker 1: take money to keep your homegrown talent stop them from
Speaker 1: going elsewhere. I don't it doesn't matter if it's Nick
Speaker 1: Saban turning things around, turning you into a name brand
Speaker 1: quarterback at whatever Max school. The question is can you
Speaker 1: keep that guy another year? Because on some level, it's like,
Speaker 1: it's great playing for Nick Saban, it's great being there,
Speaker 1: it's great having him being like the seal of approval
Speaker 1: on your future. Right, But unless you can afford to
Speaker 1: pay three million dollars to keep the guy in town,
Speaker 1: forget it, right, He's gonna be playing down the road
Speaker 1: at Ohio State next year. So that's the reason why.
Speaker 1: This is a much different question than I think it
Speaker 1: used to be. I don't know if I really have an answer.
Speaker 1: I guess the answer is a school that is big
Speaker 1: enough to bring in enough dollars to keep the talent
Speaker 1: in place on a recurring basis. Like maybe Memphis is
Speaker 1: the answer with their investment that they got from FedEx.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a good investment for the AAC. It's
Speaker 2: not necessarily a good investment for the highest levels of
Speaker 2: college football.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but that's what it takes. It takes a
Speaker 1: school that is big enough to get those donor dollars
Speaker 1: year in, year out, regardless of who the coach is.
Speaker 1: Having the coach would help, but you need the money
Speaker 1: at this point in time if you're going to sustain it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of it is just going
Speaker 2: to be a location situation that takes schools that are
Speaker 2: close to Florida, Georgia, Texas, maybe California that yes, at
Speaker 2: Arizona State, at Louisville, at TCU. I think those places
Speaker 2: would qualify places that are much more in the like
Speaker 2: seventeen to thirty Raine, Okay, and our geographically advantageous I
Speaker 2: think Nick Saban Kirby Smart, Dabbo, take your pick. The
Speaker 2: best of the best. Coaches could find ways to win
Speaker 2: with that kind of proximity to talent and that kind
Speaker 2: of proximity to money. I don't know what the money
Speaker 2: scene is like. I know it's good at Louisville. It
Speaker 2: seems TCU not sure Like Syracuse would just be more difficult,
Speaker 2: Like the job Nick Saban would have in trying to
Speaker 2: convince players from the South Texas, Florida, Georgio, Tennessee, wherever,
Speaker 2: to come to Syracuse. Over going to George and playing
Speaker 2: for Kirby Smart, going to Texas and playing for Steve Sarksian.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. He would get some, but not on
Speaker 2: the same level. It would just be a different kind
Speaker 2: of argument that there are just going to be players
Speaker 2: who are like I want to play in near family,
Speaker 2: I want to play somewhere warm, I want to play
Speaker 2: in a southern college town, and it's Syracuse is just
Speaker 2: going to check fewer boxes for those types of prospects.
Speaker 2: All of these coaches, by the way, would be the
Speaker 2: first to tell you that they're nothing special without players,
Speaker 2: and there's only so much you can do with a
Speaker 2: capped talent level. And you're just going to have that
Speaker 2: cap level at a lot of places in that like
Speaker 2: twenty two to forty five zone, and you can get
Speaker 2: great coaching, you can develop players super well, but in
Speaker 2: terms of depth, in terms of star power, the usual
Speaker 2: suspects seem like they're always going to draw more. And
Speaker 2: so it's a nice symbiotic relationship that like, players make
Speaker 2: the coach, coach make the players, and everybody thinks the
Speaker 2: best of everybody. And I just I couldn't see Kirby Smart,
Speaker 2: you know, achieving national glory at Iowa State consistently.
Speaker 1: Saban at Tulane would be I think as far down
Speaker 1: as I would go a school like a two lane,
Speaker 1: but I think it would have to be the upper
Speaker 1: crust of the non power five, a place that has
Speaker 1: a serious investment in football, had some recent success to
Speaker 1: build upon, already has talent, right, you know, starting from
Speaker 1: square one, you're not going to put him at Kent State. No,
Speaker 1: you're going to be better if you put him at
Speaker 1: Kent State, because he's a better coach. But in terms
Speaker 1: of building something longer term, turning this into any kind
Speaker 1: of juggernaut, the money.
Speaker 2: It's actually more fascinating in basketball when you just need
Speaker 2: you know, two or three incredible balls. Different a different
Speaker 2: what Rick Patino has done because we actually see it
Speaker 2: in basketball on a different level, like John Calipari at Memphis.
Speaker 2: Memphis obviously historical program has had star power there, but
Speaker 2: it's not what Kentucky is right, it's you know you
Speaker 2: he turned UMass into a power. And so the basketball thing,
Speaker 2: the coaches have more of an opportunity because you got
Speaker 2: to convince two kids and then others will follow those
Speaker 2: two kids pretty quickly. And so that's the fascinating thing
Speaker 2: when you see who is the Michigan coach forever who
Speaker 2: went to San Diego State, Steve Fisher. Deep sure that
Speaker 2: we actually do see it in basketball, and that's that's
Speaker 2: when it becomes super fascinating. But no, football wise, I
Speaker 2: just think it's so much more difficult, especially now with
Speaker 2: how much players can move around. I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: tough to say, like you, Nick Saban would find really
Speaker 2: good and develop really good dbs and find really good
Speaker 2: dB coaches. You know, if we were coaching in the MAC,
Speaker 2: if we were coaching the Big twelve and the Big
Speaker 2: ten wherever. But the high high level roster that goes
Speaker 2: too deep everywhere. As much as that is difficult now,
Speaker 2: I just think you're asking so much of one human
Speaker 2: to completely transform a place that's not built to be transformed.
Speaker 1: This question from Jacob is not directed direct batching my
Speaker 1: words here.
Speaker 2: You're good.
Speaker 1: It's not address solely to you, but it might as
Speaker 1: well be. Okay, can you compare twenty twenty five college
Speaker 1: football teams to early two thousand's pop punk bands.
Speaker 2: I deleted this.
Speaker 1: I do not believe we've ever gotten this question before.
Speaker 2: I deleted it. I don't compare anymore. Do you have
Speaker 2: any thoughts from comparisons. I'm sorry I put you on
Speaker 2: a bad I'm a bad teammate right now saying that
Speaker 2: it's okay.
Speaker 1: No, it's fine, it's fine. You can you can tell
Speaker 1: me if I'm right or wrong with these comparisons.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I have Michigan down as Green Day.
Speaker 2: Michigan as Green Day. That's not early two thousands. They
Speaker 2: had Dookie was like ninety four.
Speaker 1: I just jotted down that they have some old school credibility.
Speaker 1: Its Michigan. They had their moment against recently. A lot
Speaker 1: of people think they peaked in the nineties, but.
Speaker 2: Michigan Screen Championship like three hours ago.
Speaker 1: I said they had their moment recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: And then the other one I jotted down was Penn
Speaker 1: State is Jimmy World because they're they're solid, they're consistent,
Speaker 1: they have occasional moments of brilliance, but they have never
Speaker 1: quite been the headliner.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I would more. I would be more likely
Speaker 2: to look at Fallout Boy songs and compare them to
Speaker 2: like twenty twenty four seasons like song names, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: Dead on Arrival, Grand Theft, Autumn, whatever, old Fallout Boy, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and compare them to seasons or yeah, like team seasons
Speaker 2: from last season than banned reputation because it's just so
Speaker 2: highly subjective. And college football, there's a you objectively went
Speaker 2: ten and two, you objectively won three straight national championships,
Speaker 2: or appeared in three straight national championships, where I think
Speaker 2: I will go song title more than that Fallout Boy,
Speaker 2: like what program is like early two thousands or all
Speaker 2: of the Fallout Boy ouvre ouvre what's the question exactly?
Speaker 1: He says, can you compare twenty twenty five college football
Speaker 1: teams to early two thousands pop punk bands?
Speaker 2: Well, Michigan isn't peaked in like their twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: team is relying on a young lead singer. Was there
Speaker 2: anybody that was especially young singing for a pop punk
Speaker 2: group in like two thousand and two the starting line
Speaker 2: and Kenny there.
Speaker 1: Was that dude from the calling They had one big
Speaker 1: song and he was like.
Speaker 2: Seventeen years old punk. That guy was just doing an
Speaker 2: Eddie Vetter impression. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fallout Boy has
Speaker 2: withstood the test of time. Midwest high energy, yep, a
Speaker 2: lot of hair decisions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were.
Speaker 2: Associated with Ashley Simpson. So who played in that Orange
Speaker 2: Bowl that Ashley Simpson sang in?
Speaker 1: Was that Penn State?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 1: It might have been Pen State or she saying the
Speaker 1: halftime show?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she had the really the really bad hiccup
Speaker 2: on national TV on SNL. Yeah, so I guess Fallout
Speaker 2: Boys associated with both of the those things.
Speaker 1: It was the two thousand and five Orange Bowl.
Speaker 2: Okay, who played in the two thousand and five Orange Bowl.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five Orange Bowl, I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: right here. Oh my gosh, I'm looking at this clip
Speaker 1: right now. Two thousand and five Orange Bowl. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was USC against Oklahoma that was the two thousand and
Speaker 1: five BCS National Championship Game.
Speaker 2: I would say Ohio State, if you're going to force
Speaker 2: me to do fall Out Boy, I would say Ohio State,
Speaker 2: that Midwest been around for a while amongst an elite
Speaker 2: tier with their peers Fallout Boy, you know, selling out
Speaker 2: arenas and stuff like that, Like they just they have
Speaker 2: a huge national, if not international following.
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because Jacob is the second
Speaker 1: part of Jacob's comment here is, for example, I feel
Speaker 1: like Ohio State is Fallout Boy, big name, some good hits,
Speaker 1: has a lot of haters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I think it's pretty reasonable. The Midwestern thing
Speaker 2: rings true obviously.
Speaker 1: Well, since he deleted it, we can move on to
Speaker 1: the next question. If we can move on Xavier rights
Speaker 1: in how many coaches do you think can get fired
Speaker 1: or retire? Just looked and I can see Auburn, LSU, FSU, Florida, USC, Iowa, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and sy State, Pit, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: I mean this answer is easier to say, like, who
Speaker 2: do you think is in a pretty good spot?
Speaker 1: I could see all of these teams. He also has Maryland, Wisconsin, Arkansas.
Speaker 1: All of these teams making moves either due to firings
Speaker 1: or retirements, and I'm wondering if maybe we'll see some
Speaker 1: coaches stay on for that reason. Okay, so he's obviously
Speaker 1: focused on the Power Conference coaches. He did list a
Speaker 1: lot of schools there. Many of them have complex situations
Speaker 1: that are I think worth following. Only a fraction of
Speaker 1: those places are probably willing to pay crazy buyout money.
Speaker 1: So like USC and Lincoln Riley. We had Ryan Abraham
Speaker 1: on a couple months ago. Lincoln Riley's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: They're not paying that buyout. I think there is a
Speaker 1: trend right now to that point of rather than shelling
Speaker 1: out dead buyout money, reinvesting it into talent acquisition and
Speaker 1: seeing where the program can go. Florida sort of did
Speaker 1: something like this. Of the programs, he listed the ones
Speaker 1: that I would say I'm watching the closest, we're most
Speaker 1: interested in. Mark Stoops is getting progressively more grumpy at Kentucky. Sure,
Speaker 1: sometimes that could be a precursor to a retirement. Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State the writings of the Wall, We talked that one
Speaker 1: through Oklahoma. We like what brand Venables is doing, but
Speaker 1: going to need to start seeing some results sooner than later,
Speaker 1: especially with what they're doing now. Wisconstant of wig Fickle.
Speaker 1: We talked about that one. It has not been off
Speaker 1: to a great start. Virginia Tech was underwhelming last year
Speaker 1: for a multitude of reasons, some of which are on
Speaker 1: the coach. Iowa, I think is going to have another
Speaker 1: good year, but we know that Kirk Ferrens is going
Speaker 1: to be there forever. And Florida State, like Florida State,
Speaker 1: had a horrible year, made a big move to go
Speaker 1: out and get Gus gust come in and run the offense.
Speaker 1: Two new coordinators now in total should be better, if
Speaker 1: only because they can't get much worse. But if Florida
Speaker 1: State is not more reliably in that playoff conversation, I
Speaker 1: think starting this year we're going to have to start
Speaker 1: having a Mike Norvell conversation. So those are just the
Speaker 1: schools that he listed.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think the Mike Norvel conversation has begun.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's definitely begun. Yeah, I'm trying to be you know,
Speaker 1: generous here with my assessment, but Florida State should be
Speaker 1: in that CFP conversation nearly every year full stop.
Speaker 2: I think with the demands placed on coaches now, the
Speaker 2: list is probably far longer of coaches who are just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm done with this. I'm done with this. I've made
Speaker 2: enough money and I'm good. I don't want to recruit
Speaker 2: my own roster every hour of every day. I think
Speaker 2: there's more. I think the teams that Xavier listed are
Speaker 2: all reasonable because of expectations, because of how teams have
Speaker 2: gone into the portal, or how teams are hoping to
Speaker 2: bounce back from last season. They're all reasonable here. But
Speaker 2: I just think the list is more vast, Like, the
Speaker 2: list is more vast of programs not necessarily who are
Speaker 2: excited to pay money to a coach to not coach.
Speaker 2: But if you if you take away the schools that
Speaker 2: just hired somebody or their good vibes early on, and
Speaker 2: a coach is ten years somewhere, and you just take
Speaker 2: any school that has had a coach that has been
Speaker 2: there for four or five years, you're not going to
Speaker 2: be fully surprised. If Kirby Smart's like, I'm good, If
Speaker 2: Dabolsweeny's like I'm good.
Speaker 1: I see, but you're talking to the retirement angle. And
Speaker 1: I think that's well, it's in the question, right, It's
Speaker 1: in the question. It's absolutely valid, totally. What I don't
Speaker 1: know though, with this new era of money and especially
Speaker 1: with revenue sharing. We actually have a question about revenue
Speaker 1: sharing a little bit later that we'll get to. I
Speaker 1: don't know the willingness of some of these programs to
Speaker 1: pay that buyout money. I agree, you know, and that
Speaker 1: is something we're just going to have to chart. We're
Speaker 1: going to have to see which programs are really desperate
Speaker 1: to get rid of whoever is running the thing and
Speaker 1: start anew versus who's just going to hang tight and
Speaker 1: see if anything materializes, maybe reinvest the way I described right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2: I think there are very few programs that have had
Speaker 2: a coach for a while that the coach does not
Speaker 2: go through spells of why am I even doing this?
Speaker 2: And from the top on down, like I would bet
Speaker 2: Steve Sarkasian has had low moments at Texas, that Dan
Speaker 2: Lanning has had low moments at Oregon. That take your
Speaker 2: pick of the gilded class of coaches that they're dealing
Speaker 2: with issues that make them question why they are coaching
Speaker 2: major college football in twenty twenty five now, though the
Speaker 2: issues likely don't outweigh the positive aspects. And these are
Speaker 2: places that you can throw money at problems in a
Speaker 2: way that you can't at a lot of places. But
Speaker 2: the pain of the job, I'm sure rears its ugly
Speaker 2: head for every single one of these. For Kenny Dillingham,
Speaker 2: who's got it better than Kenny Dillingham right now coming
Speaker 2: off of a Big twelve title and being seen as
Speaker 2: like a good guy, intense guy doing stuff that is
Speaker 2: a blueprint for other new coaches, young, younger new coaches.
Speaker 2: But even he is, you know, frustrated by a lot
Speaker 2: of realities. I'm sure. So I think the list is
Speaker 2: always longer than you think it is. Okay, and you
Speaker 2: just these coaches are talented at figuring out how to
Speaker 2: convince people to throw money at problems.
Speaker 1: Let's go to David as a Big ten fan in
Speaker 1: my sixth decade of life, nice in his fifties, I
Speaker 1: am increasingly struggling with how to handle games that interest
Speaker 1: me that are on in the very late TV window.
Speaker 2: Okay, we don't know where David lives, do we?
Speaker 1: We do not know where he lives now, Okay, I
Speaker 1: can stay up, but it wrecks me the next day.
Speaker 1: He says, as a parenthetical, Yes, I am very washed,
Speaker 1: especially if the game is exciting, since I too am
Speaker 1: wound up after the game and I am unable to
Speaker 1: fall asleep as soon as the head hits the pillow.
Speaker 2: I assume David lives in the big ten footprint in
Speaker 2: the central times On.
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair assessment. I've tried to go
Speaker 1: to sleep at halftime, but then I tossed intern all
Speaker 1: night with suspense, not wanting to wake up until morning
Speaker 1: to see what happened. Sometimes, with the suspense killing me,
Speaker 1: I wake up at like two or three AM, and
Speaker 1: I check the score, but of course I also have
Speaker 1: to see the drive chart and everything, and then good
Speaker 1: luck trying to fall back asleep for like two more hours.
Speaker 1: They really should have considered the old folks when scheduling
Speaker 1: any advice or thoughts. Don't laugh. This will be useful day, buddy,
Speaker 1: it already is us. We're just at this point now
Speaker 1: where we have to gut it out so that we
Speaker 1: can do the live streams at midnight Eastern time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after a day's worth of games. So we are Simpatico. David,
Speaker 1: I think the best answer is probably to move to
Speaker 1: Hawaii if that's within your budget.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not a great answer, but it's not an answer.
Speaker 2: Who was Who was.
Speaker 1: The NBA guy who did that for ESPN the old
Speaker 1: was it Chad Ford?
Speaker 2: Is that that sounds right? That he lived? Was that
Speaker 2: specifically for time zone purposes?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he was a professor or something.
Speaker 2: There's a basketball writer for the Athletic Sam Vessini. He
Speaker 2: lives in Australia. I don't know how that works for
Speaker 2: him and covering the NBA, if that's advantageous or like
Speaker 2: if the games started at nine am and he's like
Speaker 2: this is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a great answer. But what's your solution,
Speaker 1: what's your what's your advice here for David.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the actual problem here is you've got
Speaker 2: to fall asleep in like like a harder rock, right,
Speaker 2: Like you have to be asleep so thoroughly that you
Speaker 2: don't wake up in the middle of the night. You
Speaker 2: will wet your bed. You will wet your bed because
Speaker 2: you got to get up. Sometimes I'd like, how opposed
Speaker 2: to you are edibles? Like Okay, like if you can
Speaker 2: find that sort of blend that just sort of keeps
Speaker 2: you locked into your sleep pattern. So you're winking up.
Speaker 1: You're saying, rugs, seek the assistance of something that can
Speaker 1: either help knock you out right or keep you knocked
Speaker 1: out so that the college football distractions aren't quite as distracting.
Speaker 2: I would figure out maybe how to negotiate a power
Speaker 2: nap window the next morning if you have to stay up,
Speaker 2: if that's an unavoidable thing.
Speaker 1: See, this is where I thought you were going with it,
Speaker 1: because that's been our approach to staying awake later into
Speaker 1: the night.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't have an issue staying awake. He's saying
Speaker 2: it wrecks him the name morning. Well yeah, but so
Speaker 2: you're still saying stay up late, but he's still going
Speaker 2: to be wrecked.
Speaker 1: But gutting out these night games now, as we have
Speaker 1: for the last two years. The best advice you gave
Speaker 1: me was probably to do the power nap around five pm.
Speaker 2: Right, But that prepares you for the to prepare you
Speaker 2: awake for the night window. It doesn't help you the
Speaker 2: next morning.
Speaker 1: This is true.
Speaker 2: I am still So what I'm saying is I don't
Speaker 2: know if David has kids and responsibilities on Sunday mornings
Speaker 2: that he has, you know, active plans every Sunday morning.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, if you do have plans, figure
Speaker 2: out a way with your significant other to say, at
Speaker 2: ten thirty am, I'm going to need twenty five minutes
Speaker 2: to close my eyes, because you can't go past twenty
Speaker 2: five minutes. Really, if you want to do a power nap,
Speaker 2: you chug a little coffee and you close your eyes
Speaker 2: for twenty five minutes. That can help you the next day.
Speaker 2: If you are wrecked from staying up until or you
Speaker 2: wake up in the middle of the night, that's right.
Speaker 2: You can put your phone in another room so you
Speaker 2: can't check scores if you happen to wake up.
Speaker 1: Right, and this is what therapists will tell you to
Speaker 1: do if you have trouble sleeping at night, if you
Speaker 1: are constantly on the phone, if you're dooms scrolling, whatever,
Speaker 1: they will tell you put the phone in another room.
Speaker 1: There are some settings on the phone that can prevent you,
Speaker 1: I guess, from using your own device. Right, they tend
Speaker 1: to not work because you're the one who sets it up.
Speaker 1: You know how to get around it. But but what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is. But that's not a bad idea. I
Speaker 1: like the idea.
Speaker 2: There are those apps though, right, there's those apps that
Speaker 2: they're just like, don't let me on my phone between
Speaker 2: ten pm and six am. Yes, okay, so I think
Speaker 2: maybe that's the move. Okay, now if he is, so,
Speaker 2: if in somewhat suspense, you can just turn on the TV,
Speaker 2: right you can. There are ways around not checking your phone,
Speaker 2: but at least turning on your TV. You feel like
Speaker 2: even more of a degenerate that you're fully dedicating yourself
Speaker 2: to an entertainment sidebar in the middle of the night
Speaker 2: from two to three eighteen am, Whereas the ease of
Speaker 2: the phone being taken away I feel like is at
Speaker 2: least a step. It's at least if you have a
Speaker 2: significant other, have them hide the phone.
Speaker 1: Oh, hide the phone, hide the phone and Easter egg
Speaker 1: hunt at three thirty am to see what the box
Speaker 1: score was between Texas Tech and you know whoever?
Speaker 2: Yeah, or how about this tie? Give yourself a reward
Speaker 2: system for not staying up late and checking the scores
Speaker 2: on your phone. Right, treat yourself Sunday morning. You made
Speaker 2: it through. Now you're going to scrub through. At six
Speaker 2: am while you're drinking coffee. Seven am. While you're drinking coffee,
Speaker 2: reward yourself and go get a breakfast burrito. You only
Speaker 2: get the breakfast burrito if you pass the test.
Speaker 1: What does not work and has never worked, is a
Speaker 1: tip delay thing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I have yet to hear from what we've been doing
Speaker 1: this show since eight I have yet to hear from
Speaker 1: Harvarballer Hood anyone truly, anyone who has ever been able
Speaker 1: to pull that move off, right, Because back in the day,
Speaker 1: when it was like a VCR, you had to rewind it.
Speaker 1: You could see the scores. Now, if you're using any
Speaker 1: of the streaming apps out there, you still have to
Speaker 1: rewind it. Like it. I've never had success with starting
Speaker 1: right at the moment where it's supposed to record and
Speaker 1: then just watching it without getting any of those tells right.
Speaker 1: I've always had to rewind it or maybe I'm doing
Speaker 1: it wrong. I don't know, but that doesn't work. I
Speaker 1: don't have that kind of patience. I don't have that
Speaker 1: kind of willpower. So yeah, maybe use the apps to
Speaker 1: try and shield yourself from the results. I don't know, David,
Speaker 1: let us know if you come up with a better solution.
Speaker 2: I like my drugs idea, I mean, lives in the
Speaker 2: hand of big Pharma.
Speaker 1: Let's go out to Tyler here. Yeah, as revenue sharing
Speaker 1: for players kicks off shortly, do you have any creative
Speaker 1: ideas for how schools can earn more revenue to offset
Speaker 1: the increased expenditures. The best idea Penn Steak could come
Speaker 1: up with was to make the minimum price for parking
Speaker 1: at any game this year one hundred and five dollars. Parenthetically,
Speaker 1: he says, yes, seriously, one hundred and five to park
Speaker 1: in a grass field when FIU comes to town. Right,
Speaker 1: Needless to say, I'm a little bit frustrated. I would
Speaker 1: love to have some fun with this. How are we
Speaker 1: going to earn more sweet sweet cache to keep up
Speaker 1: the program and make sure it maintains and make sure
Speaker 1: it stays a well oiled machine. Okay, Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: four creative ideas here, okay that I came up with.
Speaker 2: Are any of them renting chairs?
Speaker 1: No? Okay, damn, I have a couple options. I want
Speaker 1: you to tell you what you think, all right. As
Speaker 1: you know, we are noted entrepreneurs. Here, we do a
Speaker 1: sharp tank knockoff fund.
Speaker 2: I have a business minor everybody.
Speaker 1: Option one a premium bathroom pass. Oh man, that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of evil. Okay, premium pass. Okay, they do something
Speaker 1: like this Disney World. You can jump to the front
Speaker 1: of the line, right m speed pass. Is that what
Speaker 1: it's called? Something like? Yeah, fifty dollars. Fifty bucks gives
Speaker 1: you access to a no line restroom. Okay, judging from
Speaker 1: your response, you don't like it. I'll move on.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. No, I was. I didn't know
Speaker 2: if you had more to say about it.
Speaker 1: No, that was it.
Speaker 2: Fifty bucks gets you a pass to a no line restroom, correct,
Speaker 2: all right, So you're you're looking for the the richer
Speaker 2: fans to put this bill.
Speaker 1: We are basically all of my ideas are scamming the
Speaker 1: people who go to the game.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's so smart, ty A, what a good thing
Speaker 2: for college football. Scam people going to games.
Speaker 1: Option two, yeah, I call this workable Wi Fi. Okay,
Speaker 1: workable Wi Fi. So you go up like in a
Speaker 1: plane and they charge you for the Wi Fi.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Kind of a scam. But also, oh, when you want it,
Speaker 1: you really want it. Yeah, everybody, you look in the stands.
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that we want more people on their
Speaker 1: phones during games. But let's just be real with where
Speaker 1: we're at in twenty twenty five. Everyone's on their phone anyway. Right,
Speaker 1: Let's charge for Wi Fi in the stadiums, workable Wi
Speaker 1: Fi in the stadiums, because right now none of them work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pay twenty five bucks, just like you would in an airplane.
Speaker 1: You get access to actually functional Wi Fi.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's good. I like that, not bad, right, I
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: We're stepping up here. Yeah, rentable AR headsets.
Speaker 2: Augmented reality headsets hundred bucks, hundred bucks. And what is
Speaker 2: the augmentation to college football that you're getting at a game.
Speaker 1: It's not unlike those little radios that used to be
Speaker 1: able to rent where you could hear the play by
Speaker 1: play guy, right, But with an AR headset, you get
Speaker 1: the first down line, get all the relevant stats, you
Speaker 1: get instant replay if you want that. Think of all
Speaker 1: the things that they could pack into enhance the experience
Speaker 1: and just be like watching on TV. Really, but you
Speaker 1: would get the benefit of some real time updates as
Speaker 1: you are watching in the stance.
Speaker 2: Right. Hundred bucks, hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you prevent those from being stolen.
Speaker 1: But you know somebody can come up.
Speaker 2: With that's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm just an idea guy, Dan, That's what I hear you.
Speaker 1: I hear you, And here is my big one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm ready sitting down. I'm calling this door dash for concessions. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you charge a small fee on top of your concession
Speaker 1: orders so that they can be delivered directly to your seat.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, my idea for this is using delivery drones. I
Speaker 1: don't know the legality of this.
Speaker 2: Drones hovering over a stadium dropping pad tie.
Speaker 1: They're not dropping pad tie, Okay, they're dropping they're lowering down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some sort of order from the concession stands. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: so you're not ordering out burger King. But if Burger
Speaker 1: King is in the stadium and you want to have
Speaker 1: it delivered to your seat, we would program these delivery
Speaker 1: drones so that it only happens during commercial breaks. We
Speaker 1: don't want them buzzing around while the action is actually unfolding. Right,
Speaker 1: Maybe you could have them launch from a spot on
Speaker 1: the roof or in the parking lot. You have a
Speaker 1: couple hundred of them. Each of them can handle two
Speaker 1: orders of pop got an app on the phone, provided
Speaker 1: you've got workable Wi Fi. Maybe that's why you get
Speaker 1: the subscription yep, and then boom. Instead of having a
Speaker 1: get up and stand in the line and deal with
Speaker 1: that entire circus, you just have this thing come buzzing
Speaker 1: on down from the sky, lowers your nacho order down, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then buzzes off. Before you know what, the game's
Speaker 1: back on. You don't even have to leave your seat,
Speaker 1: right just start. Just are just small feel on top
Speaker 1: of whatever it would cost you otherwise. Now, concessions are
Speaker 1: already expensive. I'm not saying that this is economical, but
Speaker 1: if we're looking for ways to try and drum up
Speaker 1: a little bit more revenue, fill the coffers, because you've
Speaker 1: got to pay the players, or you want to pay
Speaker 1: the players. To Tyler's point one hundred and five, the park,
Speaker 1: that's pretty steep. That's going to keep people out. Once
Speaker 1: we get people in, that's when we've got a captive audience.
Speaker 1: And that's why we do door dash for concessions.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I appreciate that this is all I have.
Speaker 2: The problem is, I think a lot of people are
Speaker 2: tailgating and they're coming into the game pretty full right,
Speaker 2: like the selling point of college football, I think the
Speaker 2: hot dog in nacho quality and demand. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's the huge selling point of going to a game, right.
Speaker 2: It's the environment, It's being with your friends, it's the
Speaker 2: ability to tailgate beforehand, it's the traditions. Like improving concessions
Speaker 2: is worthwhile. I just don't know if people are freaking
Speaker 2: out about a revolutionary concession system. Listen, people are drunk
Speaker 2: before they come into the stadium. That doesn't stop them
Speaker 2: from buying more beer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe the reason that people aren't buying more
Speaker 1: concessions is because they don't want to deal with the
Speaker 1: crowds and the line, right, and the inconvenience of that.
Speaker 1: So I am offering to America to eighties out there,
Speaker 1: to university presidents, maybe lawyers. I don't know who's involved
Speaker 1: in this process, but this is how we this is
Speaker 1: how we drum up interesting concessions. And maybe this gives
Speaker 1: stadiums a little bit more of a chance to bring
Speaker 1: in different vendors. Sure, offer more different types of concessions
Speaker 1: that people would want to.
Speaker 2: But that's all like taking care of an edge rusher
Speaker 2: for the season, right, Like we had eight hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty grand. Like, great, that's going to mateo u jungalo.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, he asked the question. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be creative here. I haven't heard anything from you.
Speaker 2: Okay, who are on an individual basis? Who are the
Speaker 2: people who are able to generate the most on site
Speaker 2: income relative to the work they actually do? I wrote
Speaker 2: down here cart girls. Now is that a problematic answer?
Speaker 2: Of course it is, sure, yes, of course, But extrapolate
Speaker 2: that over a whole stadium. Now we've got two edge rushers. Okay,
Speaker 2: next item week four in ri odd Now perhaps even
Speaker 2: more problematic.
Speaker 1: You want more international games.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, in terms of how quickly you can
Speaker 2: make money live college football, zero conscious conscience.
Speaker 1: You live college football.
Speaker 2: I mean teams of Colorado already, like had a rogue
Speaker 2: Stafford explore that right, yes, somewhere looking for Middle Eastern money. Correct,
Speaker 2: that's that's not a great answer. Here's here's an interesting thing.
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't, I don't know actually know
Speaker 2: how interesting it is. But this is this is where
Speaker 2: my wheels were turning. What if you canceled everybody's season
Speaker 2: tickets and or the best season tickets in the stadium
Speaker 2: and reopened them up in like a bid system.
Speaker 1: I mean, if the state of the game right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just did a whole episode on this. If the
Speaker 1: state of the game right now is potentially alienating the
Speaker 1: biggest fans of the game, what do you think that
Speaker 1: would do well?
Speaker 2: This is the richest fans, not the biggest game, biggest fans,
Speaker 2: richest fans.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know exactly how this would work,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying, like, free market the best tickets and
Speaker 2: see where it gets you. Maybe it's a terrible idea.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what you did. Like
Speaker 2: at this point, Like truly, if there are any entities
Speaker 2: out there that I feel the least for in terms
Speaker 2: of sympathy, major college football programs trying to figure out
Speaker 2: how to make ends meet, especially if you're in the
Speaker 2: Big ten and SEC like Penn State jacking up what
Speaker 2: do you say parking prices here? Yeah, hundred bucks to park.
Speaker 2: I just don't feel bad for Penn State, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't think we need to put our extremely limited brain
Speaker 2: power towards figuring out these schools with these enormous endowments.
Speaker 2: Obviously they're earmarked for specific programs and situations, but like,
Speaker 2: I don't know crime a River. I don't care if
Speaker 2: Penn State doesn't have enough money to pay the next
Speaker 2: you know dds, it doesn't matter to me. Like I
Speaker 2: just care about the football. And so if these schools
Speaker 2: are all going to cry poor and are going to
Speaker 2: cut back the number of people who are photo shopping,
Speaker 2: you know, happy birthday message is to high school sophomores,
Speaker 2: so be it. That's okay. I look, they're gonna they're
Speaker 2: gonna get creative with it. They're going to charge more
Speaker 2: for everything, they're going to pass along, you know whatever,
Speaker 2: people parking their car. They're not going to do enough
Speaker 2: to improve the in game environment, despite all of your
Speaker 2: pleas to drop pad tie drones, which I don't think
Speaker 2: is a bad idea. I would love to subscribe to
Speaker 2: a pad tie drone.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But.
Speaker 2: I just I don't feel bad. I don't feel like
Speaker 2: I feel bad for smaller schools trying to figure it
Speaker 2: out and how to compete. But like Penn State jacking
Speaker 2: up parking prices, in what universe is that going to
Speaker 2: make anybody want to go to these games?
Speaker 1: That's my point. That's my point. I am focusing on
Speaker 1: the in stadium experience right and not putting up the
Speaker 1: barrier to get in the stadium that I think one
Speaker 1: hundred and five does when it comes to parking.
Speaker 2: But what is what is better Wi Fi going to do?
Speaker 2: Like I'm on the fence about going to Penn State Northwestern,
Speaker 2: but excuse me, excuse me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are still gigantic student sections in all of
Speaker 1: these stadiums. You don't think that there would be something
Speaker 1: of an appeal for that audience Wi Fi? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you know how much big screen TVs costs? Now?
Speaker 2: Every student has one. If you've got three hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty bucks, you can sit at home. You can inject
Speaker 2: comedies do you want. They're all on their phones. They are,
Speaker 2: But they can be on their phones at home too.
Speaker 1: But they're not. They're at the games. They're on their phones.
Speaker 2: Some are, I mean saying, look at what Nick Saban
Speaker 2: complained about at the end of his career and people
Speaker 2: leaving in the student section.
Speaker 1: Not I know, listen, I know I'm not necessary for
Speaker 1: as much as I'm on my phone normally if I'm
Speaker 1: at a game, I'm not really on the phone. I'm
Speaker 1: watching the game, but I'm also not necessarily who this
Speaker 1: is target toward, targeted towards. So now and I probably
Speaker 1: still would pay it to get better WiFi just in case.
Speaker 2: So now we circle back to art girls. Three per section,
Speaker 2: five per section, all with bodyguards. You know, safety is paramount.
Speaker 1: Here the bodyguards. Yeah, unfortunately, But.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, those add up, those tips add up?
Speaker 2: I have no I have no clue how these places
Speaker 2: who are making tens upon tens upon millions of dollars
Speaker 2: from TV arrangements that they have all they're all in
Speaker 2: bed with and didn't pay money to players forever and
Speaker 2: ever and ever. I just I just think it's a reckoning,
Speaker 2: you know, tighten up the b hole and deal with it.
Speaker 2: Why don't we go out on this note? Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a non college football note from Gary. I am
Speaker 1: in no way qualified to answer this question. Okay, he
Speaker 1: wants tips from Dan for traveling flying to California from
Speaker 1: New Jersey with a six year old and a two
Speaker 1: year old. He said, my wife, me and my wife,
Speaker 1: two kids and in laws. We're all going to Disneyland
Speaker 1: Universal a Dodgers game of Padres game, the San Diego
Speaker 1: Zoo doing the whole thing out there.
Speaker 2: So it's extended family doing touristy things in southern California
Speaker 2: with a six year old and two year old.
Speaker 1: He's looking for travel tips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everybody, every parent has their own philosophy.
Speaker 2: My philosophy as anything goes at thirty five thousand feet.
Speaker 2: So Pixar movies, you know, if the kids into sports,
Speaker 2: you can download a bunch of stuff off a YouTube.
Speaker 2: You just you always want to have more snacks and
Speaker 2: water availability than you need. Right, comfort is huge, but
Speaker 2: there's only so much, Like a two year old's tough
Speaker 2: on a plane, Like eighteen months until three is generally,
Speaker 2: in my experience, extended iPad age. Again, anything goes so
Speaker 2: lots of snacks, lots of entertainment. Maybe stickers are really
Speaker 2: good on a plane, like the easily stickers, so easy,
Speaker 2: like the sort of more like the clear stickers that
Speaker 2: like like decal type stickers that really come off of things.
Speaker 1: What are we doing with those?
Speaker 2: Are you putting on the window the back of seats
Speaker 2: and stuff like that? Oh I thought you were putting
Speaker 2: them over the child's mouth.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we gone?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, not tape, not doing decals, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That that can that can take you for a while
Speaker 2: in terms of going to theme parks like the Zoo
Speaker 2: and SeaWorld and Disneyland and stuff. Get the double stroller
Speaker 2: the kids. Kid's not going to be happy on his
Speaker 2: or her feet for an extended period of time. You
Speaker 2: gotta go double stroller there. Again, it's snacks, it's recognizing
Speaker 2: the heat outside and making sure you're in the shade.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's all about comfort and it's uh,
Speaker 2: I know, dealing with in laws and extended family on
Speaker 2: those things. You have to set expectations early, like guys
Speaker 2: are not hitting every ride, this is our plan, and
Speaker 2: leave earlier than you think because kids expire and everybody's tired.
Speaker 2: Oh you've never heard that turn of phrase.
Speaker 1: No, I've heard it used when we're referencing death. Not
Speaker 1: necessarily just getting tired.
Speaker 2: There is just a certain amount of energy and like
Speaker 2: they're going to be just jacked out of their minds
Speaker 2: with excitement about things. Right, they're going to be seeing
Speaker 2: killer whales who should never be in captivity by the way,
Speaker 2: Gacie blackfish, of course, and you're going to be waiting
Speaker 2: in lines at Disney, like they're just going to be
Speaker 2: antsy and just the dopamine hits are going to be
Speaker 2: through the roof. And so if they're normally like that,
Speaker 2: at like five point thirty six pm, like they start
Speaker 2: to expire, it's me four fifteen, right, expire. I use
Speaker 2: that word every day. So leave yourself cushions, right, have
Speaker 2: more food on hand than you think, more granola bars,
Speaker 2: more water bottles, more cups of grapes, more whatever. Try
Speaker 2: your best, in my opinion, try your best to not
Speaker 2: you know, fully eliminate, but do a good job with
Speaker 2: the sugar, because that becomes, you know, a fuel to
Speaker 2: be all over the place for some kids, So you
Speaker 2: fill their bellies. Right. If it's just garbage, then they're
Speaker 2: just they're wild cards, man, especially out in the wild,
Speaker 2: like going to a new place in a new state
Speaker 2: and they're seeing dopey and they're seeing a dolphin jumping,
Speaker 2: and like, you just got to manage expectations with the family.
Speaker 2: Take breaks and do your best, do your best. Realize
Speaker 2: that they're the especially the two year old is not
Speaker 2: going to remember any of it. So live in the
Speaker 2: moment with the two year old and try to see
Speaker 2: the world through their eyes, and you know, realize that
Speaker 2: this isn't about you. But honestly, ty, if we're being real,
Speaker 2: if I can, if I can pull everybody into my
Speaker 2: my truth corner over here, Sure, Disney kind of sucks.
Speaker 2: I've never been to either the and I know people
Speaker 2: love it, and I grew up loving it, and I
Speaker 2: went even as a grown up, like when I was
Speaker 2: in my twenties, and I would go with buddies who
Speaker 2: worked for ESPN or ABC and would get free park
Speaker 2: passes and stuff. It was pretty fun. I went with
Speaker 2: kids last month or two months ago, and the ratio
Speaker 2: of enjoyment to just sitting in a line, and it's
Speaker 2: so crowded. I've never been Disney World, so I can't
Speaker 2: speak to that. But Disneyland specifically, it's not great. And like,
Speaker 2: if your kid doesn't actually have a reference point, like
Speaker 2: hasn't seen every Disney movie, it's not mandatory. You can
Speaker 2: live an awesome life without like sitting in Disney lines.
Speaker 2: And you don't want them to be a pariah. And
Speaker 2: all their friends have been to Disney and they've never
Speaker 2: been to Disney. But if they don't even have the
Speaker 2: reference point that they haven't seen the Seven Dwarfs and
Speaker 2: Beauty and the Beast and Toy Story and all, you know,
Speaker 2: everything in Star Wars. The Star Wars Land, by the way,
Speaker 2: they did an awesome job with it. It looks really cool.
Speaker 2: I didn't my kids didn't care about Star Wars, so
Speaker 2: we didn't do any of that stuff. But we walked
Speaker 2: through the new Star Wars Land or whatever it's called.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy expensive and you're waiting in lines and
Speaker 2: it's packed and it's hot, like Disneyland's cool, but also
Speaker 2: you just don't it's not mandatory.
Speaker 1: Well, good Gary, Gary is now canceling his trip. Good,
Speaker 1: I don't go to the beach kids disappointed. I've never been.
Speaker 1: I've never been to Disney or Disney World.
Speaker 2: I'm not a zoo guy, but I understand the appeal
Speaker 2: of taking kids to a zoo.
Speaker 1: San Diego Zoo's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: San Diego Zoo is great, and there's like the wildlife
Speaker 2: part life the wildlife parks where animals are more out
Speaker 2: in the open, like dirabs are running on Is it
Speaker 2: grabs giraffes? Can we do diraffs on the show? If
Speaker 2: it stabs and halves. It would it would have to
Speaker 2: be drafs, it would have to be giraffes. So if
Speaker 2: a herd of, is it a herd of?
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you talk. Man.
Speaker 2: If it's a.
Speaker 1: Giraffe, if you want to invent animal terms, go for it.
Speaker 2: I'm standing with draves. I understand why this appealing for kids.
Speaker 2: You know, you peak curiosity, you see different species that
Speaker 2: you never be able to see. I'm not a zoo guy, now,
Speaker 2: I'm not a marine park guy, but I understand the
Speaker 2: appeal for kids that you're opening their eyes to, you know,
Speaker 2: a broader world. So that's cool.
Speaker 1: Kids love diraffs.
Speaker 2: But I'd go broader world rather than small world. How
Speaker 2: about that tie, because it's a small world after all.
Speaker 1: Wow, put a bow on the whole thing. All right. Uh,
Speaker 1: thank you to Gary for that wonderful question. Thank you
Speaker 1: to Tyler.
Speaker 2: And stay away from Hollywood. By the way, if you're
Speaker 2: going out to La, don't do don't do the Walk
Speaker 2: of Fame, don't do the whatever it's called Gramman's Chinese Theater.
Speaker 2: Hollywood's terrible. There are great parts of LA. There are
Speaker 2: great parts of southern California. Hollywood specifically, it's like Times Square.
Speaker 2: There is just don't do it. Don't go for a hike,
Speaker 2: go for Santa Monica, go for anywhere, go for Carlsbad,
Speaker 2: Go to Griffith Park, the La Zoo, go to a
Speaker 2: Dodger game. There's a ton to do that's super fun.
Speaker 2: Stay away from Hollywood. It's terrible.
Speaker 1: All right, there you go. Wow, Okay, coming in hot here.
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2: Go to Amoba Records.
Speaker 1: Amiba Records sounds beautiful. Thank you everybody who chimed in.
Speaker 1: We have a bunch more questions that we did not
Speaker 1: get to. We're going to save up some of these
Speaker 1: and we'll include those part of our upcoming bonus episodes.
Speaker 1: So if you didn't hear your question today, we got
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Speaker 1: rapid fire through them on the bonus episode a little
Speaker 1: bit later on this week, next couple episodes, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking Florida with a good friend, Gator Dave. He's
Speaker 1: going to stop by a little bit later on this week.
Speaker 1: We'll have that. We've also got a conversation I think
Speaker 1: coming up. We want to talk about this game draft
Speaker 1: that we read about on the athletic seems a ton
Speaker 1: of fun, So we're gonna work up something.
Speaker 2: That's TV network drafting games to be more.
Speaker 1: Specific, correct, Yes, Scott Document wrote an article about that,
Speaker 1: so we want to talk about that process and try
Speaker 1: to understand that a little bit more since you and
Speaker 1: I both found interesting. Yeah, we're gonna be rampant things
Speaker 1: up here. Still two episodes a week, but getting a
Speaker 1: little bit closer to the twenty twenty five season. Once
Speaker 1: we start talking July, Dan, then we start talking previews.
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Speaker 1: why don't we leave it there, big thanks again to
Speaker 1: everybody who chimed in. Happy June to you and yours
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