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Speaker 2: Hull that for me. I'm a man, I'm for it.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: Edith state is that?

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Speaker 1: Woo woo? And then and tie, Dan Rubinstein. We have

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Speaker 1: now turned the calendar to the month of June. The

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Speaker 1: season is getting much, much, much closer even as we speak,

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Speaker 1: which means that today it is time to tackle the

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Speaker 1: important questions as part of our June Q and A episode.

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Speaker 1: My friend, welcome back. How are you? Can't wait? I'm good?

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Speaker 2: Uh, the sun is shining. I had a good weekend.

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Speaker 2: Plenty of uh sports sidelines for kids playing t ball,

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Speaker 2: coach pitch baseball. You pick it. Uh, life is good, Tie,

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Speaker 2: life is good. How about you?

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Speaker 1: I am doing wonderful. I played a terrible round of

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Speaker 2: On the back, the bone on the outside.

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Speaker 1: The Internet has no answer for what that is.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you injured yourself in a mysterious way

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Speaker 2: that the internet full of horrible golfers who constantly do

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Speaker 2: exceeded their knowledge base. It would appear as if that

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Speaker 2: is the case. Yeah, that is the case.

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Speaker 1: of this episode. Yeah, let's start with this one from

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Speaker 1: ween out on Patreon. Okay, if a wizard approached you,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein and said tonight, you will forget everything you

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Speaker 1: know about the teams that you love, and those memories

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Speaker 1: will be replaced by a lifetime of experiences of being

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Speaker 1: a fan of a completely different team. But you must choose. Now,

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Speaker 1: which team would you pick?

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Speaker 2: Dan? So in my lifetime?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in lifetime, all of those wonderful Oregon memories before that,

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Speaker 1: I guess Florida State for you. Okay, all of your

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Speaker 1: college football memories of a specific team, your favorite team,

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Speaker 1: those are going to be hot swapped with those of

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Speaker 2: So let's say since two thousand somewhere in there. Does

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Speaker 1: I mean, that would only be half of your lifetime.

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Speaker 2: Say no, I know, but it's okay, you can. You

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Speaker 2: can do. There's just so many different eras to sort

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Speaker 2: think it would be lame to say Alabama, Right, that

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Speaker 2: say Alabama or Ohio State. I don't know that does.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for strictly a fun experience, So you have

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Speaker 1: Now, that's not bad. I thought you were going to

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Speaker 1: take mine, which was mine is Boise State.

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Speaker 2: Boise State hasn't won national championship, has had fun, has

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Speaker 1: For sure, But you know, I believe it is you,

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Speaker 2: To me, I would have a conversation about either of

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Speaker 1: This isn't a life thing, this is just a memory state.

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Speaker 1: I play to a football team.

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Speaker 2: Here's here's why I say, Arizona schools. You're generally getting

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Speaker 2: You're competing for conference championships, there's pretty consistent quality even

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Speaker 2: live in a reality that it's probably more healthy, sure,

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Speaker 2: and you appreciate the finer things when they arrive.

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Speaker 1: See that's my Boise argument right there.

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Speaker 2: Well poise poises highs have been higher to me, sure

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Speaker 1: Which are not a Well there's no perfect answer. There's

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Speaker 2: Or you can take the tact of take a more

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Speaker 2: downtrodden program, be a Vandy fan, be a per new fan,

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Speaker 2: be a Rutgers fan, because you expect nothing and you

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Speaker 2: yourself against the pain. Tie. No, you're like, I'm a

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Speaker 2: Vandy fan. We're gonna lose, but if we don't, holy moly,

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Speaker 2: There's something to be said about protecting from the pain,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think you can live your life like that, right.

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Speaker 2: so all right, answer. Let's go to this question from Efrin. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I understand that the Big Ten has org, Ohio State, Michigan,

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Speaker 2: and Penn State. Yes, that leaves fourteen teams. Are those

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Speaker 2: Minnesota's and Illinois and teams like Case State and Baylor.

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Speaker 1: However, people keep on talking about the Big Twelve like

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Speaker 1: it's a poverty league. Poverty league.

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Speaker 2: Who name names, that's my problem, name names?

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Speaker 1: He says, what do you what do you all think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So I don't think Ephan's wrong, Okay. I think on

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Speaker 1: this show we've done our best to push back on

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Speaker 1: that narrative a bit because we love the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 2: So once again we're saying, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State,

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Speaker 2: take them aside, take away ties, billion dollar Hollywood face. Sure,

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Speaker 2: he's not so different than you and I, that's right, Okay.

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Speaker 1: What he's wrong about, I think is the approach to

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Speaker 1: a logical college football fan, right, who cares about nuance

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Speaker 1: looking at the middle of a conference, looking at something

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Speaker 1: from soup to nuts. The broader national conversation is defined

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Speaker 2: So that's like the competent depth.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I like what they've done. And I'm

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Speaker 1: Now, now that that was a great Cowhardian argument. By

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's move on. Let's go to this one

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Speaker 1: from Dan. Okay, every podcaster in college football media member

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban would never These guys are used to a

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Speaker 2: to play for Eastern Michigan.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, realistically, yeah, this would have been a

435
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Speaker 1: different question fifteen years ago, right, because back in the day,

436
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Speaker 1: you could build up teams kind of like you build

437
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Speaker 1: them up in the video game, where you consistently recruit well,

438
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Speaker 1: you consistently develop talent, you see a progression of results

439
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Speaker 1: on the conference, on the national level, and then at

440
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Speaker 1: some point, if you're doing it right, you hit a

441
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Speaker 1: critical mess. Right, you know, I'm oversimplifying, but it's not

442
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Speaker 1: unlike what happened at Boise State, which I sort of

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Speaker 1: just described right in twenty twenty five, though, this is

444
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Speaker 1: a much different answer, even though we did see a

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Speaker 1: guy like a Frank Signetti turn around Indiana in one

446
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Speaker 1: off season. Regardless of what you think of Indiana, they

447
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: should be in the playoff. They should in Indiana went

448
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Speaker 1: from three to nine to eleven and two. With a

449
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Speaker 1: better coach and with help of the transfer portal, you

450
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Speaker 1: can do it very quickly. It's not the same time

451
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Speaker 1: calculation as it used to be, and a favorable schedule,

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Speaker 1: and a favorable schedule, so you know, you put a

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Speaker 1: big name coach, a bigger name coach at really any school,

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Speaker 1: you will probably see something of a spike in terms

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Speaker 1: of transfer interest, in terms of maybe the donor class,

456
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Speaker 1: et cetera. But the bigger question is that donor class

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Speaker 1: to your point, all right, donor class and revenue on

458
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Speaker 1: the football program, because it's gonna take money. Now, it's

459
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Speaker 1: gonna take money to bring the talent in. It's gonna

460
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Speaker 1: take money to keep your homegrown talent stop them from

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Speaker 1: going elsewhere. I don't it doesn't matter if it's Nick

462
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Speaker 1: Saban turning things around, turning you into a name brand

463
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Speaker 1: quarterback at whatever Max school. The question is can you

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Speaker 1: keep that guy another year? Because on some level, it's like,

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Speaker 1: it's great playing for Nick Saban, it's great being there,

466
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Speaker 1: it's great having him being like the seal of approval

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Speaker 1: on your future. Right, But unless you can afford to

468
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Speaker 1: pay three million dollars to keep the guy in town,

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Speaker 1: forget it, right, He's gonna be playing down the road

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Speaker 1: at Ohio State next year. So that's the reason why.

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Speaker 1: This is a much different question than I think it

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Speaker 1: used to be. I don't know if I really have an answer.

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Speaker 1: I guess the answer is a school that is big

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Speaker 1: enough to bring in enough dollars to keep the talent

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Speaker 1: in place on a recurring basis. Like maybe Memphis is

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Speaker 1: the answer with their investment that they got from FedEx.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a good investment for the AAC. It's

478
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Speaker 2: not necessarily a good investment for the highest levels of

479
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Speaker 2: college football.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but that's what it takes. It takes a

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Speaker 1: school that is big enough to get those donor dollars

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Speaker 1: year in, year out, regardless of who the coach is.

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Speaker 1: Having the coach would help, but you need the money

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Speaker 1: at this point in time if you're going to sustain it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of it is just going

486
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Speaker 2: to be a location situation that takes schools that are

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Speaker 2: close to Florida, Georgia, Texas, maybe California that yes, at

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Speaker 2: Arizona State, at Louisville, at TCU. I think those places

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Speaker 2: would qualify places that are much more in the like

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Speaker 2: seventeen to thirty Raine, Okay, and our geographically advantageous I

491
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Speaker 2: think Nick Saban Kirby Smart, Dabbo, take your pick. The

492
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Speaker 2: best of the best. Coaches could find ways to win

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Speaker 2: with that kind of proximity to talent and that kind

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Speaker 2: of proximity to money. I don't know what the money

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Speaker 2: scene is like. I know it's good at Louisville. It

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Speaker 2: seems TCU not sure Like Syracuse would just be more difficult,

497
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Speaker 2: Like the job Nick Saban would have in trying to

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Speaker 2: convince players from the South Texas, Florida, Georgio, Tennessee, wherever,

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Speaker 2: to come to Syracuse. Over going to George and playing

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Speaker 2: for Kirby Smart, going to Texas and playing for Steve Sarksian.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot. He would get some, but not on

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Speaker 2: the same level. It would just be a different kind

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Speaker 2: of argument that there are just going to be players

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Speaker 2: who are like I want to play in near family,

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Speaker 2: I want to play somewhere warm, I want to play

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Speaker 2: in a southern college town, and it's Syracuse is just

507
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Speaker 2: going to check fewer boxes for those types of prospects.

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Speaker 2: All of these coaches, by the way, would be the

509
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Speaker 2: first to tell you that they're nothing special without players,

510
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Speaker 2: and there's only so much you can do with a

511
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Speaker 2: capped talent level. And you're just going to have that

512
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Speaker 2: cap level at a lot of places in that like

513
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Speaker 2: twenty two to forty five zone, and you can get

514
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Speaker 2: great coaching, you can develop players super well, but in

515
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Speaker 2: terms of depth, in terms of star power, the usual

516
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: suspects seem like they're always going to draw more. And

517
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: so it's a nice symbiotic relationship that like, players make

518
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Speaker 2: the coach, coach make the players, and everybody thinks the

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Speaker 2: best of everybody. And I just I couldn't see Kirby Smart,

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Speaker 2: you know, achieving national glory at Iowa State consistently.

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Speaker 1: Saban at Tulane would be I think as far down

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Speaker 1: as I would go a school like a two lane,

523
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Speaker 1: but I think it would have to be the upper

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Speaker 1: crust of the non power five, a place that has

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Speaker 1: a serious investment in football, had some recent success to

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Speaker 1: build upon, already has talent, right, you know, starting from

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Speaker 1: square one, you're not going to put him at Kent State. No,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be better if you put him at

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Speaker 1: Kent State, because he's a better coach. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of building something longer term, turning this into any kind

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Speaker 1: of juggernaut, the money.

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Speaker 2: It's actually more fascinating in basketball when you just need

533
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: you know, two or three incredible balls. Different a different

534
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Speaker 2: what Rick Patino has done because we actually see it

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Speaker 2: in basketball on a different level, like John Calipari at Memphis.

536
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: Memphis obviously historical program has had star power there, but

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Speaker 2: it's not what Kentucky is right, it's you know you

538
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: he turned UMass into a power. And so the basketball thing,

539
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: the coaches have more of an opportunity because you got

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Speaker 2: to convince two kids and then others will follow those

541
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Speaker 2: two kids pretty quickly. And so that's the fascinating thing

542
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 2: when you see who is the Michigan coach forever who

543
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: went to San Diego State, Steve Fisher. Deep sure that

544
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: we actually do see it in basketball, and that's that's

545
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: when it becomes super fascinating. But no, football wise, I

546
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: just think it's so much more difficult, especially now with

547
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Speaker 2: how much players can move around. I don't know, it's

548
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Speaker 2: tough to say, like you, Nick Saban would find really

549
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: good and develop really good dbs and find really good

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Speaker 2: dB coaches. You know, if we were coaching in the MAC,

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Speaker 2: if we were coaching the Big twelve and the Big

552
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Speaker 2: ten wherever. But the high high level roster that goes

553
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Speaker 2: too deep everywhere. As much as that is difficult now,

554
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Speaker 2: I just think you're asking so much of one human

555
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Speaker 2: to completely transform a place that's not built to be transformed.

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Speaker 1: This question from Jacob is not directed direct batching my

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Speaker 1: words here.

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Speaker 2: You're good.

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Speaker 1: It's not address solely to you, but it might as

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Speaker 1: well be. Okay, can you compare twenty twenty five college

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Speaker 1: football teams to early two thousand's pop punk bands.

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Speaker 2: I deleted this.

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Speaker 1: I do not believe we've ever gotten this question before.

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Speaker 2: I deleted it. I don't compare anymore. Do you have

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Speaker 2: any thoughts from comparisons. I'm sorry I put you on

566
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: a bad I'm a bad teammate right now saying that

567
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Speaker 2: it's okay.

568
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: No, it's fine, it's fine. You can you can tell

569
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Speaker 1: me if I'm right or wrong with these comparisons.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

571
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Speaker 1: I have Michigan down as Green Day.

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Speaker 2: Michigan as Green Day. That's not early two thousands. They

573
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: had Dookie was like ninety four.

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Speaker 1: I just jotted down that they have some old school credibility.

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Speaker 1: Its Michigan. They had their moment against recently. A lot

576
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Speaker 1: of people think they peaked in the nineties, but.

577
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Speaker 2: Michigan Screen Championship like three hours ago.

578
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Speaker 1: I said they had their moment recently.

579
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: And then the other one I jotted down was Penn

581
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Speaker 1: State is Jimmy World because they're they're solid, they're consistent,

582
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: they have occasional moments of brilliance, but they have never

583
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Speaker 1: quite been the headliner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I would more. I would be more likely

585
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Speaker 2: to look at Fallout Boy songs and compare them to

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Speaker 2: like twenty twenty four seasons like song names, yeah, you know,

587
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Speaker 2: Dead on Arrival, Grand Theft, Autumn, whatever, old Fallout Boy, Yeah,

588
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: and compare them to seasons or yeah, like team seasons

589
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: from last season than banned reputation because it's just so

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Speaker 2: highly subjective. And college football, there's a you objectively went

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Speaker 2: ten and two, you objectively won three straight national championships,

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Speaker 2: or appeared in three straight national championships, where I think

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Speaker 2: I will go song title more than that Fallout Boy,

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Speaker 2: like what program is like early two thousands or all

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Speaker 2: of the Fallout Boy ouvre ouvre what's the question exactly?

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Speaker 1: He says, can you compare twenty twenty five college football

597
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Speaker 1: teams to early two thousands pop punk bands?

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Speaker 2: Well, Michigan isn't peaked in like their twenty twenty five

599
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: team is relying on a young lead singer. Was there

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00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: anybody that was especially young singing for a pop punk

601
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Speaker 2: group in like two thousand and two the starting line

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00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: and Kenny there.

603
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Speaker 1: Was that dude from the calling They had one big

604
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Speaker 1: song and he was like.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen years old punk. That guy was just doing an

606
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Speaker 2: Eddie Vetter impression. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fallout Boy has

607
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: withstood the test of time. Midwest high energy, yep, a

608
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Speaker 2: lot of hair decisions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were.

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Speaker 2: Associated with Ashley Simpson. So who played in that Orange

611
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: Bowl that Ashley Simpson sang in?

612
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Speaker 1: Was that Penn State?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 1: It might have been Pen State or she saying the

615
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Speaker 1: halftime show?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she had the really the really bad hiccup

617
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: on national TV on SNL. Yeah, so I guess Fallout

618
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: Boys associated with both of the those things.

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Speaker 1: It was the two thousand and five Orange Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Okay, who played in the two thousand and five Orange Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and five Orange Bowl, I'm looking at it

622
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Speaker 1: right here. Oh my gosh, I'm looking at this clip

623
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Speaker 1: right now. Two thousand and five Orange Bowl. Yeah, that

624
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: was USC against Oklahoma that was the two thousand and

625
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: five BCS National Championship Game.

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Speaker 2: I would say Ohio State, if you're going to force

627
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Speaker 2: me to do fall Out Boy, I would say Ohio State,

628
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: that Midwest been around for a while amongst an elite

629
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Speaker 2: tier with their peers Fallout Boy, you know, selling out

630
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: arenas and stuff like that, Like they just they have

631
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Speaker 2: a huge national, if not international following.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because Jacob is the second

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Speaker 1: part of Jacob's comment here is, for example, I feel

634
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Speaker 1: like Ohio State is Fallout Boy, big name, some good hits,

635
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: has a lot of haters.

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00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I think it's pretty reasonable. The Midwestern thing

637
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: rings true obviously.

638
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: Well, since he deleted it, we can move on to

639
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: the next question. If we can move on Xavier rights

640
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: in how many coaches do you think can get fired

641
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: or retire? Just looked and I can see Auburn, LSU, FSU, Florida, USC, Iowa, Kentucky,

642
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and sy State, Pit, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Oklahoma State,

643
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Texas Tech.

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00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: I mean this answer is easier to say, like, who

645
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Speaker 2: do you think is in a pretty good spot?

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Speaker 1: I could see all of these teams. He also has Maryland, Wisconsin, Arkansas.

647
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: All of these teams making moves either due to firings

648
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: or retirements, and I'm wondering if maybe we'll see some

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00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: coaches stay on for that reason. Okay, so he's obviously

650
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: focused on the Power Conference coaches. He did list a

651
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: lot of schools there. Many of them have complex situations

652
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: that are I think worth following. Only a fraction of

653
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: those places are probably willing to pay crazy buyout money.

654
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: So like USC and Lincoln Riley. We had Ryan Abraham

655
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: on a couple months ago. Lincoln Riley's not going anywhere.

656
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: They're not paying that buyout. I think there is a

657
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: trend right now to that point of rather than shelling

658
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: out dead buyout money, reinvesting it into talent acquisition and

659
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: seeing where the program can go. Florida sort of did

660
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: something like this. Of the programs, he listed the ones

661
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: that I would say I'm watching the closest, we're most

662
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: interested in. Mark Stoops is getting progressively more grumpy at Kentucky. Sure,

663
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: sometimes that could be a precursor to a retirement. Oklahoma

664
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: State the writings of the Wall, We talked that one

665
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: through Oklahoma. We like what brand Venables is doing, but

666
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: going to need to start seeing some results sooner than later,

667
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: especially with what they're doing now. Wisconstant of wig Fickle.

668
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: We talked about that one. It has not been off

669
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: to a great start. Virginia Tech was underwhelming last year

670
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: for a multitude of reasons, some of which are on

671
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: the coach. Iowa, I think is going to have another

672
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: good year, but we know that Kirk Ferrens is going

673
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: to be there forever. And Florida State, like Florida State,

674
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: had a horrible year, made a big move to go

675
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: out and get Gus gust come in and run the offense.

676
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: Two new coordinators now in total should be better, if

677
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: only because they can't get much worse. But if Florida

678
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: State is not more reliably in that playoff conversation, I

679
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: think starting this year we're going to have to start

680
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: having a Mike Norvell conversation. So those are just the

681
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: schools that he listed.

682
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I think the Mike Norvel conversation has begun.

683
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Oh, it's definitely begun. Yeah, I'm trying to be you know,

684
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: generous here with my assessment, but Florida State should be

685
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: in that CFP conversation nearly every year full stop.

686
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: I think with the demands placed on coaches now, the

687
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: list is probably far longer of coaches who are just like, yeah,

688
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm done with this. I'm done with this. I've made

689
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: enough money and I'm good. I don't want to recruit

690
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: my own roster every hour of every day. I think

691
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: there's more. I think the teams that Xavier listed are

692
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: all reasonable because of expectations, because of how teams have

693
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: gone into the portal, or how teams are hoping to

694
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: bounce back from last season. They're all reasonable here. But

695
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: I just think the list is more vast, Like, the

696
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: list is more vast of programs not necessarily who are

697
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: excited to pay money to a coach to not coach.

698
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: But if you if you take away the schools that

699
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: just hired somebody or their good vibes early on, and

700
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: a coach is ten years somewhere, and you just take

701
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: any school that has had a coach that has been

702
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: there for four or five years, you're not going to

703
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: be fully surprised. If Kirby Smart's like, I'm good, If

704
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: Dabolsweeny's like I'm good.

705
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I see, but you're talking to the retirement angle. And

706
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: I think that's well, it's in the question, right, It's

707
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: in the question. It's absolutely valid, totally. What I don't

708
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: know though, with this new era of money and especially

709
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: with revenue sharing. We actually have a question about revenue

710
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: sharing a little bit later that we'll get to. I

711
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: don't know the willingness of some of these programs to

712
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: pay that buyout money. I agree, you know, and that

713
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: is something we're just going to have to chart. We're

714
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: going to have to see which programs are really desperate

715
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: to get rid of whoever is running the thing and

716
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: start anew versus who's just going to hang tight and

717
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: see if anything materializes, maybe reinvest the way I described right,

718
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.

719
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: I think there are very few programs that have had

720
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: a coach for a while that the coach does not

721
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: go through spells of why am I even doing this?

722
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: And from the top on down, like I would bet

723
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: Steve Sarkasian has had low moments at Texas, that Dan

724
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: Lanning has had low moments at Oregon. That take your

725
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: pick of the gilded class of coaches that they're dealing

726
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: with issues that make them question why they are coaching

727
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: major college football in twenty twenty five now, though the

728
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: issues likely don't outweigh the positive aspects. And these are

729
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: places that you can throw money at problems in a

730
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: way that you can't at a lot of places. But

731
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 2: the pain of the job, I'm sure rears its ugly

732
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: head for every single one of these. For Kenny Dillingham,

733
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: who's got it better than Kenny Dillingham right now coming

734
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: off of a Big twelve title and being seen as

735
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: like a good guy, intense guy doing stuff that is

736
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: a blueprint for other new coaches, young, younger new coaches.

737
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: But even he is, you know, frustrated by a lot

738
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: of realities. I'm sure. So I think the list is

739
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: always longer than you think it is. Okay, and you

740
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: just these coaches are talented at figuring out how to

741
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: convince people to throw money at problems.

742
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: Let's go to David as a Big ten fan in

743
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: my sixth decade of life, nice in his fifties, I

744
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: am increasingly struggling with how to handle games that interest

745
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: me that are on in the very late TV window.

746
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: Okay, we don't know where David lives, do we?

747
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: We do not know where he lives now, Okay, I

748
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: can stay up, but it wrecks me the next day.

749
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: He says, as a parenthetical, Yes, I am very washed,

750
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: especially if the game is exciting, since I too am

751
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: wound up after the game and I am unable to

752
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: fall asleep as soon as the head hits the pillow.

753
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: I assume David lives in the big ten footprint in

754
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: the central times On.

755
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair assessment. I've tried to go

756
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: to sleep at halftime, but then I tossed intern all

757
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: night with suspense, not wanting to wake up until morning

758
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: to see what happened. Sometimes, with the suspense killing me,

759
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: I wake up at like two or three AM, and

760
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: I check the score, but of course I also have

761
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: to see the drive chart and everything, and then good

762
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: luck trying to fall back asleep for like two more hours.

763
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: They really should have considered the old folks when scheduling

764
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: any advice or thoughts. Don't laugh. This will be useful day, buddy,

765
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: it already is us. We're just at this point now

766
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: where we have to gut it out so that we

767
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: can do the live streams at midnight Eastern time. Yeah,

768
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: after a day's worth of games. So we are Simpatico. David,

769
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: I think the best answer is probably to move to

770
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: Hawaii if that's within your budget.

771
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not a great answer, but it's not an answer.

772
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 2: Who was Who was.

773
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 1: The NBA guy who did that for ESPN the old

774
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: was it Chad Ford?

775
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: Is that that sounds right? That he lived? Was that

776
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: specifically for time zone purposes?

777
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he was a professor or something.

778
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: There's a basketball writer for the Athletic Sam Vessini. He

779
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: lives in Australia. I don't know how that works for

780
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: him and covering the NBA, if that's advantageous or like

781
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: if the games started at nine am and he's like

782
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: this is great.

783
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a great answer. But what's your solution,

784
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: what's your what's your advice here for David.

785
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: Well, I think the actual problem here is you've got

786
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: to fall asleep in like like a harder rock, right,

787
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: Like you have to be asleep so thoroughly that you

788
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: don't wake up in the middle of the night. You

789
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 2: will wet your bed. You will wet your bed because

790
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 2: you got to get up. Sometimes I'd like, how opposed

791
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: to you are edibles? Like Okay, like if you can

792
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: find that sort of blend that just sort of keeps

793
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: you locked into your sleep pattern. So you're winking up.

794
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: You're saying, rugs, seek the assistance of something that can

795
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: either help knock you out right or keep you knocked

796
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: out so that the college football distractions aren't quite as distracting.

797
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 2: I would figure out maybe how to negotiate a power

798
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: nap window the next morning if you have to stay up,

799
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: if that's an unavoidable thing.

800
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: See, this is where I thought you were going with it,

801
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: because that's been our approach to staying awake later into

802
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: the night.

803
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: But he doesn't have an issue staying awake. He's saying

804
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: it wrecks him the name morning. Well yeah, but so

805
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: you're still saying stay up late, but he's still going

806
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: to be wrecked.

807
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: But gutting out these night games now, as we have

808
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: for the last two years. The best advice you gave

809
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: me was probably to do the power nap around five pm.

810
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: Right, But that prepares you for the to prepare you

811
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: awake for the night window. It doesn't help you the

812
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 2: next morning.

813
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: This is true.

814
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: I am still So what I'm saying is I don't

815
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: know if David has kids and responsibilities on Sunday mornings

816
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: that he has, you know, active plans every Sunday morning.

817
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, if you do have plans, figure

818
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: out a way with your significant other to say, at

819
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: ten thirty am, I'm going to need twenty five minutes

820
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: to close my eyes, because you can't go past twenty

821
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: five minutes. Really, if you want to do a power nap,

822
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: you chug a little coffee and you close your eyes

823
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: for twenty five minutes. That can help you the next day.

824
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: If you are wrecked from staying up until or you

825
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: wake up in the middle of the night, that's right.

826
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: You can put your phone in another room so you

827
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 2: can't check scores if you happen to wake up.

828
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: Right, and this is what therapists will tell you to

829
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: do if you have trouble sleeping at night, if you

830
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: are constantly on the phone, if you're dooms scrolling, whatever,

831
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: they will tell you put the phone in another room.

832
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: There are some settings on the phone that can prevent you,

833
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: I guess, from using your own device. Right, they tend

834
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: to not work because you're the one who sets it up.

835
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: You know how to get around it. But but what

836
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying is. But that's not a bad idea. I

837
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: like the idea.

838
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: There are those apps though, right, there's those apps that

839
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: they're just like, don't let me on my phone between

840
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: ten pm and six am. Yes, okay, so I think

841
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: maybe that's the move. Okay, now if he is, so,

842
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 2: if in somewhat suspense, you can just turn on the TV,

843
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: right you can. There are ways around not checking your phone,

844
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: but at least turning on your TV. You feel like

845
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: even more of a degenerate that you're fully dedicating yourself

846
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: to an entertainment sidebar in the middle of the night

847
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: from two to three eighteen am, Whereas the ease of

848
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: the phone being taken away I feel like is at

849
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: least a step. It's at least if you have a

850
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: significant other, have them hide the phone.

851
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: Oh, hide the phone, hide the phone and Easter egg

852
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: hunt at three thirty am to see what the box

853
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: score was between Texas Tech and you know whoever?

854
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, or how about this tie? Give yourself a reward

855
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: system for not staying up late and checking the scores

856
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: on your phone. Right, treat yourself Sunday morning. You made

857
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: it through. Now you're going to scrub through. At six

858
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: am while you're drinking coffee. Seven am. While you're drinking coffee,

859
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 2: reward yourself and go get a breakfast burrito. You only

860
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: get the breakfast burrito if you pass the test.

861
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: What does not work and has never worked, is a

862
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: tip delay thing.

863
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: Right.

864
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: I have yet to hear from what we've been doing

865
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: this show since eight I have yet to hear from

866
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Harvarballer Hood anyone truly, anyone who has ever been able

867
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: to pull that move off, right, Because back in the day,

868
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: when it was like a VCR, you had to rewind it.

869
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: You could see the scores. Now, if you're using any

870
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: of the streaming apps out there, you still have to

871
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: rewind it. Like it. I've never had success with starting

872
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: right at the moment where it's supposed to record and

873
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: then just watching it without getting any of those tells right.

874
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: I've always had to rewind it or maybe I'm doing

875
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: it wrong. I don't know, but that doesn't work. I

876
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: don't have that kind of patience. I don't have that

877
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: kind of willpower. So yeah, maybe use the apps to

878
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: try and shield yourself from the results. I don't know, David,

879
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: let us know if you come up with a better solution.

880
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: I like my drugs idea, I mean, lives in the

881
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: hand of big Pharma.

882
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: Let's go out to Tyler here. Yeah, as revenue sharing

883
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: for players kicks off shortly, do you have any creative

884
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: ideas for how schools can earn more revenue to offset

885
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: the increased expenditures. The best idea Penn Steak could come

886
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: up with was to make the minimum price for parking

887
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: at any game this year one hundred and five dollars. Parenthetically,

888
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: he says, yes, seriously, one hundred and five to park

889
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: in a grass field when FIU comes to town. Right,

890
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: Needless to say, I'm a little bit frustrated. I would

891
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: love to have some fun with this. How are we

892
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: going to earn more sweet sweet cache to keep up

893
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: the program and make sure it maintains and make sure

894
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: it stays a well oiled machine. Okay, Yeah, I have

895
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: four creative ideas here, okay that I came up with.

896
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: Are any of them renting chairs?

897
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: No? Okay, damn, I have a couple options. I want

898
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: you to tell you what you think, all right. As

899
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: you know, we are noted entrepreneurs. Here, we do a

900
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: sharp tank knockoff fund.

901
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: I have a business minor everybody.

902
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: Option one a premium bathroom pass. Oh man, that's that's

903
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: kind of evil. Okay, premium pass. Okay, they do something

904
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: like this Disney World. You can jump to the front

905
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: of the line, right m speed pass. Is that what

906
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: it's called? Something like? Yeah, fifty dollars. Fifty bucks gives

907
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: you access to a no line restroom. Okay, judging from

908
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: your response, you don't like it. I'll move on.

909
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. No, I was. I didn't know

910
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: if you had more to say about it.

911
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: No, that was it.

912
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: Fifty bucks gets you a pass to a no line restroom, correct,

913
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: all right, So you're you're looking for the the richer

914
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 2: fans to put this bill.

915
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: We are basically all of my ideas are scamming the

916
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: people who go to the game.

917
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: Okay, that's so smart, ty A, what a good thing

918
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: for college football. Scam people going to games.

919
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: Option two, yeah, I call this workable Wi Fi. Okay,

920
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: workable Wi Fi. So you go up like in a

921
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: plane and they charge you for the Wi Fi.

922
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 2: M hmm.

923
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: Kind of a scam. But also, oh, when you want it,

924
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: you really want it. Yeah, everybody, you look in the stands.

925
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that we want more people on their

926
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: phones during games. But let's just be real with where

927
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,479
Speaker 1: we're at in twenty twenty five. Everyone's on their phone anyway. Right,

928
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: Let's charge for Wi Fi in the stadiums, workable Wi

929
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: Fi in the stadiums, because right now none of them work. Yeah,

930
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: pay twenty five bucks, just like you would in an airplane.

931
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: You get access to actually functional Wi Fi.

932
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: Yep, that's good. I like that, not bad, right, I

933
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: like that.

934
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: We're stepping up here. Yeah, rentable AR headsets.

935
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: Augmented reality headsets hundred bucks, hundred bucks. And what is

936
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: the augmentation to college football that you're getting at a game.

937
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: It's not unlike those little radios that used to be

938
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: able to rent where you could hear the play by

939
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: play guy, right, But with an AR headset, you get

940
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: the first down line, get all the relevant stats, you

941
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: get instant replay if you want that. Think of all

942
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: the things that they could pack into enhance the experience

943
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: and just be like watching on TV. Really, but you

944
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: would get the benefit of some real time updates as

945
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: you are watching in the stance.

946
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: Right. Hundred bucks, hundred bucks.

947
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how you prevent those from being stolen.

948
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: But you know somebody can come up.

949
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: With that's okay.

950
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm just an idea guy, Dan, That's what I hear you.

951
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: I hear you, And here is my big one. Okay,

952
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm ready sitting down. I'm calling this door dash for concessions. Okay, okay,

953
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: you charge a small fee on top of your concession

954
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: orders so that they can be delivered directly to your seat.

955
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

956
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: Now, my idea for this is using delivery drones. I

957
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: don't know the legality of this.

958
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: Drones hovering over a stadium dropping pad tie.

959
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 1: They're not dropping pad tie, Okay, they're dropping they're lowering down. Yeah,

960
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: some sort of order from the concession stands. Yeah, all right,

961
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: so you're not ordering out burger King. But if Burger

962
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: King is in the stadium and you want to have

963
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: it delivered to your seat, we would program these delivery

964
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: drones so that it only happens during commercial breaks. We

965
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: don't want them buzzing around while the action is actually unfolding. Right,

966
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: Maybe you could have them launch from a spot on

967
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: the roof or in the parking lot. You have a

968
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 1: couple hundred of them. Each of them can handle two

969
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: orders of pop got an app on the phone, provided

970
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: you've got workable Wi Fi. Maybe that's why you get

971
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: the subscription yep, and then boom. Instead of having a

972
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: get up and stand in the line and deal with

973
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: that entire circus, you just have this thing come buzzing

974
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: on down from the sky, lowers your nacho order down, yeah,

975
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: and then buzzes off. Before you know what, the game's

976
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: back on. You don't even have to leave your seat,

977
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: right just start. Just are just small feel on top

978
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: of whatever it would cost you otherwise. Now, concessions are

979
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: already expensive. I'm not saying that this is economical, but

980
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: if we're looking for ways to try and drum up

981
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: a little bit more revenue, fill the coffers, because you've

982
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: got to pay the players, or you want to pay

983
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: the players. To Tyler's point one hundred and five, the park,

984
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: that's pretty steep. That's going to keep people out. Once

985
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: we get people in, that's when we've got a captive audience.

986
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: And that's why we do door dash for concessions.

987
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I appreciate that this is all I have.

988
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: The problem is, I think a lot of people are

989
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 2: tailgating and they're coming into the game pretty full right,

990
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: like the selling point of college football, I think the

991
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: hot dog in nacho quality and demand. I don't think

992
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 2: it's the huge selling point of going to a game, right.

993
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: It's the environment, It's being with your friends, it's the

994
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: ability to tailgate beforehand, it's the traditions. Like improving concessions

995
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: is worthwhile. I just don't know if people are freaking

996
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: out about a revolutionary concession system. Listen, people are drunk

997
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: before they come into the stadium. That doesn't stop them

998
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: from buying more beer.

999
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe the reason that people aren't buying more

1000
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: concessions is because they don't want to deal with the

1001
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: crowds and the line, right, and the inconvenience of that.

1002
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: So I am offering to America to eighties out there,

1003
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: to university presidents, maybe lawyers. I don't know who's involved

1004
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: in this process, but this is how we this is

1005
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 1: how we drum up interesting concessions. And maybe this gives

1006
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 1: stadiums a little bit more of a chance to bring

1007
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: in different vendors. Sure, offer more different types of concessions

1008
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: that people would want to.

1009
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: But that's all like taking care of an edge rusher

1010
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: for the season, right, Like we had eight hundred and

1011
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: fifty grand. Like, great, that's going to mateo u jungalo.

1012
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, he asked the question. I'm trying to

1013
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: be creative here. I haven't heard anything from you.

1014
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: Okay, who are on an individual basis? Who are the

1015
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: people who are able to generate the most on site

1016
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: income relative to the work they actually do? I wrote

1017
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 2: down here cart girls. Now is that a problematic answer?

1018
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 2: Of course it is, sure, yes, of course, But extrapolate

1019
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: that over a whole stadium. Now we've got two edge rushers. Okay,

1020
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: next item week four in ri odd Now perhaps even

1021
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: more problematic.

1022
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: You want more international games.

1023
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, in terms of how quickly you can

1024
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: make money live college football, zero conscious conscience.

1025
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: You live college football.

1026
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean teams of Colorado already, like had a rogue

1027
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: Stafford explore that right, yes, somewhere looking for Middle Eastern money. Correct,

1028
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 2: that's that's not a great answer. Here's here's an interesting thing.

1029
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't, I don't know actually know

1030
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: how interesting it is. But this is this is where

1031
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: my wheels were turning. What if you canceled everybody's season

1032
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: tickets and or the best season tickets in the stadium

1033
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: and reopened them up in like a bid system.

1034
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: I mean, if the state of the game right now, Yeah,

1035
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: we just did a whole episode on this. If the

1036
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: state of the game right now is potentially alienating the

1037
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: biggest fans of the game, what do you think that

1038
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: would do well?

1039
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: This is the richest fans, not the biggest game, biggest fans,

1040
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 2: richest fans.

1041
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.

1042
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know exactly how this would work,

1043
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: but I'm saying, like, free market the best tickets and

1044
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: see where it gets you. Maybe it's a terrible idea.

1045
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what you did. Like

1046
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: at this point, Like truly, if there are any entities

1047
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: out there that I feel the least for in terms

1048
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: of sympathy, major college football programs trying to figure out

1049
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: how to make ends meet, especially if you're in the

1050
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: Big ten and SEC like Penn State jacking up what

1051
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: do you say parking prices here? Yeah, hundred bucks to park.

1052
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: I just don't feel bad for Penn State, Like, I

1053
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: don't think we need to put our extremely limited brain

1054
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: power towards figuring out these schools with these enormous endowments.

1055
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: Obviously they're earmarked for specific programs and situations, but like,

1056
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: I don't know crime a River. I don't care if

1057
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: Penn State doesn't have enough money to pay the next

1058
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: you know dds, it doesn't matter to me. Like I

1059
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: just care about the football. And so if these schools

1060
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: are all going to cry poor and are going to

1061
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: cut back the number of people who are photo shopping,

1062
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: you know, happy birthday message is to high school sophomores,

1063
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: so be it. That's okay. I look, they're gonna they're

1064
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: gonna get creative with it. They're going to charge more

1065
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: for everything, they're going to pass along, you know whatever,

1066
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,959
Speaker 2: people parking their car. They're not going to do enough

1067
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: to improve the in game environment, despite all of your

1068
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: pleas to drop pad tie drones, which I don't think

1069
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: is a bad idea. I would love to subscribe to

1070
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: a pad tie drone.

1071
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But.

1072
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: I just I don't feel bad. I don't feel like

1073
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: I feel bad for smaller schools trying to figure it

1074
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: out and how to compete. But like Penn State jacking

1075
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: up parking prices, in what universe is that going to

1076
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: make anybody want to go to these games?

1077
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: That's my point. That's my point. I am focusing on

1078
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: the in stadium experience right and not putting up the

1079
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: barrier to get in the stadium that I think one

1080
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: hundred and five does when it comes to parking.

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00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: But what is what is better Wi Fi going to do?

1082
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 2: Like I'm on the fence about going to Penn State Northwestern,

1083
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: but excuse me, excuse me.

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00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are still gigantic student sections in all of

1085
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: these stadiums. You don't think that there would be something

1086
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: of an appeal for that audience Wi Fi? Yeah?

1087
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: Do you know how much big screen TVs costs? Now?

1088
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: Every student has one. If you've got three hundred and

1089
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: fifty bucks, you can sit at home. You can inject

1090
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: comedies do you want. They're all on their phones. They are,

1091
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: But they can be on their phones at home too.

1092
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: But they're not. They're at the games. They're on their phones.

1093
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: Some are, I mean saying, look at what Nick Saban

1094
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: complained about at the end of his career and people

1095
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: leaving in the student section.

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Speaker 1: Not I know, listen, I know I'm not necessary for

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00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: as much as I'm on my phone normally if I'm

1098
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: at a game, I'm not really on the phone. I'm

1099
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: watching the game, but I'm also not necessarily who this

1100
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: is target toward, targeted towards. So now and I probably

1101
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: still would pay it to get better WiFi just in case.

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00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: So now we circle back to art girls. Three per section,

1103
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: five per section, all with bodyguards. You know, safety is paramount.

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01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: Here the bodyguards. Yeah, unfortunately, But.

1105
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, those add up, those tips add up?

1106
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: I have no I have no clue how these places

1107
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 2: who are making tens upon tens upon millions of dollars

1108
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: from TV arrangements that they have all they're all in

1109
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 2: bed with and didn't pay money to players forever and

1110
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: ever and ever. I just I just think it's a reckoning,

1111
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: you know, tighten up the b hole and deal with it.

1112
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: Why don't we go out on this note? Then?

1113
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, a non college football note from Gary. I am

1114
01:00:55,040 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: in no way qualified to answer this question. Okay, he

1115
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: wants tips from Dan for traveling flying to California from

1116
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: New Jersey with a six year old and a two

1117
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: year old. He said, my wife, me and my wife,

1118
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: two kids and in laws. We're all going to Disneyland

1119
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: Universal a Dodgers game of Padres game, the San Diego

1120
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Speaker 1: Zoo doing the whole thing out there.

1121
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: So it's extended family doing touristy things in southern California

1122
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: with a six year old and two year old.

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Speaker 1: He's looking for travel tips.

1124
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everybody, every parent has their own philosophy.

1125
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: My philosophy as anything goes at thirty five thousand feet.

1126
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 2: So Pixar movies, you know, if the kids into sports,

1127
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: you can download a bunch of stuff off a YouTube.

1128
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: You just you always want to have more snacks and

1129
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: water availability than you need. Right, comfort is huge, but

1130
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: there's only so much, Like a two year old's tough

1131
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: on a plane, Like eighteen months until three is generally,

1132
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 2: in my experience, extended iPad age. Again, anything goes so

1133
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: lots of snacks, lots of entertainment. Maybe stickers are really

1134
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: good on a plane, like the easily stickers, so easy,

1135
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: like the sort of more like the clear stickers that

1136
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: like like decal type stickers that really come off of things.

1137
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: What are we doing with those?

1138
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: Are you putting on the window the back of seats

1139
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: and stuff like that? Oh I thought you were putting

1140
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 2: them over the child's mouth.

1141
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we gone?

1142
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, not tape, not doing decals, stuff like that.

1143
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: That that can that can take you for a while

1144
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: in terms of going to theme parks like the Zoo

1145
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: and SeaWorld and Disneyland and stuff. Get the double stroller

1146
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 2: the kids. Kid's not going to be happy on his

1147
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: or her feet for an extended period of time. You

1148
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: gotta go double stroller there. Again, it's snacks, it's recognizing

1149
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: the heat outside and making sure you're in the shade.

1150
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's all about comfort and it's uh,

1151
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: I know, dealing with in laws and extended family on

1152
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: those things. You have to set expectations early, like guys

1153
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: are not hitting every ride, this is our plan, and

1154
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: leave earlier than you think because kids expire and everybody's tired.

1155
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: Oh you've never heard that turn of phrase.

1156
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: No, I've heard it used when we're referencing death. Not

1157
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: necessarily just getting tired.

1158
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 2: There is just a certain amount of energy and like

1159
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: they're going to be just jacked out of their minds

1160
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: with excitement about things. Right, they're going to be seeing

1161
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 2: killer whales who should never be in captivity by the way,

1162
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: Gacie blackfish, of course, and you're going to be waiting

1163
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: in lines at Disney, like they're just going to be

1164
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: antsy and just the dopamine hits are going to be

1165
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: through the roof. And so if they're normally like that,

1166
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: at like five point thirty six pm, like they start

1167
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: to expire, it's me four fifteen, right, expire. I use

1168
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: that word every day. So leave yourself cushions, right, have

1169
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: more food on hand than you think, more granola bars,

1170
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: more water bottles, more cups of grapes, more whatever. Try

1171
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: your best, in my opinion, try your best to not

1172
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 2: you know, fully eliminate, but do a good job with

1173
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: the sugar, because that becomes, you know, a fuel to

1174
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 2: be all over the place for some kids, So you

1175
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 2: fill their bellies. Right. If it's just garbage, then they're

1176
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: just they're wild cards, man, especially out in the wild,

1177
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: like going to a new place in a new state

1178
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: and they're seeing dopey and they're seeing a dolphin jumping,

1179
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: and like, you just got to manage expectations with the family.

1180
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: Take breaks and do your best, do your best. Realize

1181
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: that they're the especially the two year old is not

1182
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 2: going to remember any of it. So live in the

1183
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: moment with the two year old and try to see

1184
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 2: the world through their eyes, and you know, realize that

1185
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 2: this isn't about you. But honestly, ty, if we're being real,

1186
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: if I can, if I can pull everybody into my

1187
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: my truth corner over here, Sure, Disney kind of sucks.

1188
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 2: I've never been to either the and I know people

1189
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: love it, and I grew up loving it, and I

1190
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: went even as a grown up, like when I was

1191
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 2: in my twenties, and I would go with buddies who

1192
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 2: worked for ESPN or ABC and would get free park

1193
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: passes and stuff. It was pretty fun. I went with

1194
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: kids last month or two months ago, and the ratio

1195
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: of enjoyment to just sitting in a line, and it's

1196
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 2: so crowded. I've never been Disney World, so I can't

1197
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: speak to that. But Disneyland specifically, it's not great. And like,

1198
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 2: if your kid doesn't actually have a reference point, like

1199
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 2: hasn't seen every Disney movie, it's not mandatory. You can

1200
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: live an awesome life without like sitting in Disney lines.

1201
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: And you don't want them to be a pariah. And

1202
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: all their friends have been to Disney and they've never

1203
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: been to Disney. But if they don't even have the

1204
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: reference point that they haven't seen the Seven Dwarfs and

1205
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: Beauty and the Beast and Toy Story and all, you know,

1206
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: everything in Star Wars. The Star Wars Land, by the way,

1207
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,479
Speaker 2: they did an awesome job with it. It looks really cool.

1208
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: I didn't my kids didn't care about Star Wars, so

1209
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: we didn't do any of that stuff. But we walked

1210
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: through the new Star Wars Land or whatever it's called.

1211
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1212
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: It's so crazy expensive and you're waiting in lines and

1213
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: it's packed and it's hot, like Disneyland's cool, but also

1214
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: you just don't it's not mandatory.

1215
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: Well, good Gary, Gary is now canceling his trip. Good,

1216
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't go to the beach kids disappointed. I've never been.

1217
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: I've never been to Disney or Disney World.

1218
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: I'm not a zoo guy, but I understand the appeal

1219
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: of taking kids to a zoo.

1220
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: San Diego Zoo's pretty cool.

1221
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 2: San Diego Zoo is great, and there's like the wildlife

1222
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 2: part life the wildlife parks where animals are more out

1223
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 2: in the open, like dirabs are running on Is it

1224
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: grabs giraffes? Can we do diraffs on the show? If

1225
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: it stabs and halves. It would it would have to

1226
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 2: be drafs, it would have to be giraffes. So if

1227
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: a herd of, is it a herd of?

1228
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you talk. Man.

1229
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: If it's a.

1230
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: Giraffe, if you want to invent animal terms, go for it.

1231
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: I'm standing with draves. I understand why this appealing for kids.

1232
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: You know, you peak curiosity, you see different species that

1233
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 2: you never be able to see. I'm not a zoo guy, now,

1234
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: I'm not a marine park guy, but I understand the

1235
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 2: appeal for kids that you're opening their eyes to, you know,

1236
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: a broader world. So that's cool.

1237
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: Kids love diraffs.

1238
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: But I'd go broader world rather than small world. How

1239
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 2: about that tie, because it's a small world after all.

1240
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: Wow, put a bow on the whole thing. All right. Uh,

1241
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: thank you to Gary for that wonderful question. Thank you

1242
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: to Tyler.

1243
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 2: And stay away from Hollywood. By the way, if you're

1244
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 2: going out to La, don't do don't do the Walk

1245
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 2: of Fame, don't do the whatever it's called Gramman's Chinese Theater.

1246
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 2: Hollywood's terrible. There are great parts of LA. There are

1247
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: great parts of southern California. Hollywood specifically, it's like Times Square.

1248
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: There is just don't do it. Don't go for a hike,

1249
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 2: go for Santa Monica, go for anywhere, go for Carlsbad,

1250
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 2: Go to Griffith Park, the La Zoo, go to a

1251
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 2: Dodger game. There's a ton to do that's super fun.

1252
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: Stay away from Hollywood. It's terrible.

1253
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: All right, there you go. Wow, Okay, coming in hot here.

1254
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, I like it.

1255
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 2: Go to Amoba Records.

1256
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: Amiba Records sounds beautiful. Thank you everybody who chimed in.

1257
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: We have a bunch more questions that we did not

1258
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: get to. We're going to save up some of these

1259
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: and we'll include those part of our upcoming bonus episodes.

1260
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: So if you didn't hear your question today, we got

1261
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: about two dozen of them. Maybe we'll try to go

1262
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: rapid fire through them on the bonus episode a little

1263
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: bit later on this week, next couple episodes, we're gonna

1264
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: be talking Florida with a good friend, Gator Dave. He's

1265
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: going to stop by a little bit later on this week.

1266
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: We'll have that. We've also got a conversation I think

1267
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: coming up. We want to talk about this game draft

1268
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: that we read about on the athletic seems a ton

1269
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: of fun, So we're gonna work up something.

1270
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: That's TV network drafting games to be more.

1271
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: Specific, correct, Yes, Scott Document wrote an article about that,

1272
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: so we want to talk about that process and try

1273
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: to understand that a little bit more since you and

1274
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: I both found interesting. Yeah, we're gonna be rampant things

1275
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: up here. Still two episodes a week, but getting a

1276
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: little bit closer to the twenty twenty five season. Once

1277
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: we start talking July, Dan, then we start talking previews.

1278
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: So if anybody out there has suggestions for what we

1279
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: can do to improve the previews to make it more

1280
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: valuable for you, the trusted Verballer, we'd love to hear that.

1281
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: Hit us up on social media soliverbal at gmail dot com,

1282
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: or of course you can go to Verballers dot com

1283
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: if you want more of the bonus stuff and to

1284
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: support more directly the stuff that Dan and I are doing. Correct,

1285
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: why don't we leave it there, big thanks again to

1286
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: everybody who chimed in. Happy June to you and yours

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