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Speaker 1: the Favorites, the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network. G

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Speaker 1: I'm Chad Nolman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: This is a massive, massive show today. Simon Hunter, my bff,

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Speaker 1: my companion, my co host, Professional Better. It's rare we

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Speaker 1: Shawn Zarrillo, who gave me Cash Warber at one to

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Speaker 1: Am I happy to see you. Thank you for everything,

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Speaker 1: and hold on, Simon, Can I at least introduce all

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Speaker 1: of our guests first, Seanzarrillo, who is a longtime writer

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Speaker 1: is former UFC champion Chris Wideman, who's calling in from

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Speaker 1: Pains me to say the pride of Nassau County, Long Island,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wideman, Wow, I'm in press forget Bruce Buffer. I

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Speaker 1: Chuckle Adell's autobiography. True. Oh wow, I actually think I

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Speaker 1: a game plan might be, right, whether you as a

427
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Speaker 1: wrestler going to look to drag somebody to deep waters

428
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Speaker 1: and tire them out, and maybe I want to bet

429
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Speaker 1: your round three props because I know you're planning on

430
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: tire a guy out late and then on top of that,

431
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, knowing how I'm sure you've noticed how scoring

432
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: is sort of changed recently, how judges are emphasizing damage

433
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Speaker 1: over control. You know, it may not have been as

434
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Speaker 1: friendly to you trying to wrestle guys and hold onto

435
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Speaker 1: them or just gained top position. For I've never only

436
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: just wrestled guys in helped the top position. No, no,

437
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 1: but what I'm saying, I'm a finisher kid, you know,

438
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Speaker 1: just you know how you might go about handicapping a

439
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Speaker 1: fight differently as you sort of see the way judges,

440
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Speaker 1: you know, approach it differently too. You know, the the

441
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: cliche saying is you can never leave it in the

442
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Speaker 1: hands of the judges, which is obviously easier said than done.

443
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Speaker 1: But that is obviously always the goal what the coaches

444
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Speaker 1: want to tell their students. But things have changed a

445
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 1: lot over the years. Like betting on fights was way

446
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: easier back when I was, you know, up and coming.

447
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 1: There was way less people that knew what they were

448
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: talking about. Now we've got guys like you who really

449
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: know what they're doing or just educated on the sport.

450
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: They understand. You know, you're we're watching PFL, you're watching

451
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Speaker 1: l f A. These are things that really weren't hapending,

452
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: you know, a few years back. It's just crazy how

453
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 1: us going mainstream, you know, coming over to ESPN just

454
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: one of the things that it has done for it.

455
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Cardio is is king. You watch someone

456
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Speaker 1: fight like ma Rob Morob, it's not just that his

457
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: cardio is outstanding, it's his mentality. So when you see

458
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Speaker 1: a guy who's known for their cardio, would they usually

459
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Speaker 1: also bring a different mental mindset that usually should make

460
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Speaker 1: them a favorite. I think having a having a guy

461
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Speaker 1: that you know is not gonna get tired is the

462
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: worst thing you could know going into a fight. If

463
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Speaker 1: you're fighting somebody and you know that no matter what

464
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Speaker 1: you do to them, they're gonna still be going, that's

465
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: a freaking nightmare with you on that. If you could

466
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Speaker 1: find guys who have good cardio, you want to go

467
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Speaker 1: with them. The other thing wrestlers. I think wrestlers are

468
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Speaker 1: the highest percentage chance of winning, the ability to dictate

469
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Speaker 1: where the fight goes. You know, if you're uncomfortable on

470
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Speaker 1: the feet, you can dictate it and bring it to

471
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Speaker 1: the ground. If you're comfortable on the feet, you can

472
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Speaker 1: keep it standing. So I think having that available. Uh.

473
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Speaker 1: And then also wrestling gives a mindset just from wrestling

474
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Speaker 1: since you're a little kid being screamed that by coaches,

475
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: they're not making money off of you. Uh, they're gonna

476
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: tell you to get the hell out of the room

477
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: if you're not working hard, as opposed to every other

478
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Speaker 1: martial art. You know, you go to a CREDI school,

479
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: you go to a kickboxing school, you go to Brazilian

480
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu. If you're not working hard, just staying because

481
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: you're paying. It's it's a little different than you know,

482
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Speaker 1: you go into you know, the high school wrestling room

483
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Speaker 1: that the kids are gonna get screamed that they're out,

484
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Speaker 1: Just get out of here. You're wasting my time. Obviously

485
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: I'm biased, but I just think it's factual. Statistically at

486
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Speaker 1: this point, wrestlers win most of the champions of wrestlers,

487
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Speaker 1: most of the guys. If you got a you know,

488
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Speaker 1: a fight where it's kind of even on the odds,

489
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Speaker 1: I would always tilt towards the wrestler, and usually it

490
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Speaker 1: means they have meant mentally stronger and probably have better

491
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Speaker 1: cardio for the most part, But cardio and wrestling are

492
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Speaker 1: the two things that I would probably focus on when betting.

493
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Speaker 1: It's easier to look as like a big favorite in

494
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Speaker 1: hindsight if you're the superior grappler than it is if

495
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Speaker 1: it's just gonna be a straight up striking match on

496
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Speaker 1: the feet. You know, the margins in the grappling tend

497
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Speaker 1: to be a bit wider than in terms of just

498
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Speaker 1: a straight up striking match, because there's a chance, say,

499
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Speaker 1: you know, take you down, just hold onto you, you know,

500
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 1: and then there's a chance they take it down and

501
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: some mit you so, or they could also knock you out.

502
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Speaker 1: There's just more ways to win. It's amazing how what

503
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Speaker 1: wrestling does to the cardio. A striker starts getting taken

504
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: down all of a sudden, they don't have power anymore,

505
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Speaker 1: so there goes that knockout win. So if you had

506
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Speaker 1: an under thinking that the you know, the guy was

507
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Speaker 1: going to get a knockout and he got taken down

508
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: a few times, those live odds are definitely gonna change.

509
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Speaker 1: Do you bet a lot of m M a UFC

510
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Speaker 1: and the fights that you're watching not as much as

511
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Speaker 1: I used to do do. I used to do it way more.

512
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Speaker 1: It's a tough game. Man, it's it's really hard to predict,

513
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: even if i've inside info, you know. I remember there

514
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 1: was this time I knew one of these guys that

515
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: I had trained with just a little bit, he had

516
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: a terrible injury. The whole camp. He did nothing. He

517
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: did nothing, he was even confident who he was gonna win.

518
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Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, listen, I'm gonna throw some money,

519
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: no disrespect him with do some money on this other

520
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: guy makes some money and next day, no, the guy

521
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Speaker 1: who was injured the whole time goes out there and

522
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: gets the first round knockout just you know, throws caution

523
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: to the wind, that connects and boom, there goes my money.

524
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Speaker 1: So it's just a very tough with the gauge, you know,

525
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: even if you have inside infot you have to just

526
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Speaker 1: bet consistently. You know, if you're going for just one bet,

527
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: it's a big risk. Like it seems like Sean is,

528
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, pretty consistent handicapper. He's playing the percentages. He's

529
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: gonna take his lumps, you know, but you just gotta

530
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: stick with those percentages on you know what, you believe.

531
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Speaker 1: Sean has made more than six thousand, six hundred bets

532
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Speaker 1: on baseball alone. Two geez bro, Like Chris said, you're

533
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Speaker 1: trying to grind out that percentage. So I know every

534
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Speaker 1: time I'm putting a hundred hours down, I'm getting between

535
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Speaker 1: one oh three and one oh four back on average.

536
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Speaker 1: So one bet, you know, I may lose, may lose

537
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Speaker 1: an excruciating fashion, but over time, you're just trying to

538
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: grind out that three percent. Are you usually like a

539
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: small favorite guy? Is that what you're going for? Like

540
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: the tiny favorites and just take money line. It depends

541
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Speaker 1: on the fight, the dynamics of the fight. You know,

542
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Speaker 1: if I expect a fight to go to a decision

543
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: and I also show value on one fighter's money line,

544
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: typically I'm gonna end up betting on their prop to

545
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: win by decision because you just get that juice here

546
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: plus money. But a lot of the times, especially now

547
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: with judging being so wonky, I made just to eat

548
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: the jews and bet the fight to go to a

549
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: decision instead of betting the plus money on the fighter

550
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Speaker 1: to win by decision, just to kind of save myself

551
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: some out. So usually do you always watch the fights

552
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: when you're when you're betting? I do, And you know,

553
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: betting those fights. You have to bet the things that

554
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: nobody wants to watch, right, Nobody wants to sit there

555
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: and root for fifteen minutes for nothing to happen. But

556
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: that is where you're going to find the most profit. Typically,

557
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: betting on bets is walking around the house hoping nobody

558
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: dies for fifteen minutes or nobody gets submitted for fifteen minutes.

559
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: It's the most uncomfortable thing you could bet in sports.

560
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: Probably it's like watching hockey overtime hoping nobody scores. But yeah,

561
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: it could be bit excruciating. But you definitely have to

562
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: find the things to bet that nobody else wants to

563
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: another thing just because we're you know, stick with the

564
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Speaker 1: m M A betting. One thing that I know is

565
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: that you could there's some good value in when betting

566
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: on fights. Is a lot of times the bigger name

567
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: guy is not always the best guy and the most

568
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 1: and most the guy who's most likely to win, And

569
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times you'll see them as a betting

570
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: favorite over a guy who really should be the favorite.

571
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Speaker 1: But just because this guy has a bigger name, you

572
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: know he's getting all the he's getting all the juice.

573
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: Uh So, I always I think that's there's always value

574
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: and when you see that, and usually like one on

575
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: each fight card, there might be one fight like that

576
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: where the odds are a little off and there's some

577
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: there's some definitely money to be made. Yeah, I would

578
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: say a lot of the guys I know that the

579
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: pros that do UFC, their favorite thing is betting against

580
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: the champ. Like the champ. It takes, it's a grind

581
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: to get up there. What do you do once you're there? Right,

582
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: Like a lot of these guys might lose their edge,

583
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: Like they might start partying, they might not start training

584
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: three months early. Maybe the only start two months early.

585
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: And you talk about the time, that little bit of difference,

586
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: that's what pros are looking for, Like they're looking for

587
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: that info about a guy. Maybe he's out too late,

588
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: maybe he's not taking it serious, or he's gonna think

589
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna walk over his next opponent. So and the

590
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor, I think we all can agree he was

591
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: never as great as he was portrayed. He kind of

592
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: did that himself though his mouth and people love Bettingham

593
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: like he had that whole Irish movement, even Americans that

594
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: are Irish, like half Irish or you know their ancestors.

595
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: They were all about everything and went straight I Ireland.

596
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: That was it. Everybody was Irish right like and the

597
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: whole thing too of like him running around the Irish

598
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: flag and people following him and like like you would

599
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: see some stupid video of him posted how he's feeling

600
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: online and it's odds to move like another minus twenty

601
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, someone just put another six figure

602
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: bet on Connor. So that was one of the things

603
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: where I did take lessons and learning like the hard

604
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: way too, because again I like betting favorites mm A,

605
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: Like I felt safe at betting these favorites just because

606
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: of the proven track record where I've learned some of

607
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: these champs. Man, they get up there, they get the

608
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: money and they don't grind like they used to before.

609
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: So Chris, I'm interested to hear your view about how

610
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 1: you got into betting, because that's kind of cool. Man.

611
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: You're doing the m m A because you, like you said,

612
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: you have the inside info and you know, me and

613
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: Sean we talked about all the time we die for

614
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: this info, like we love inside info. You've been burned

615
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: plenty of times, like when you start to get into it.

616
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: Did you start winning early on or were you like

617
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: one of those guys where it's like you're losing a

618
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: little bet and you were thinking yourself, you know what,

619
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: I can grind this out. I can get better at

620
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: betting as I go along. Here I was, I was

621
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: pretty good. I'm not saying I was, you know, the

622
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: best of all time, but I did. I did good.

623
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: I made a lot of I made a lot of money.

624
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: I lost money too, but I was definitely up when

625
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: I was doing it. Uh, pretty you know frequently, Um,

626
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: it's a you know, it's a tough game, it's a grind.

627
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: But when you actually sit down and you look at

628
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: the fight cards and you go through each guy and

629
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: you look at their styles and maybe watch some older videos,

630
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: and you do it the right way, you take notes

631
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: you do. It's funny how like, you know a little

632
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: bit of that extra work pays off, you know, as

633
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: opposed to just opening up up your app as the

634
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: fights are about to turn on and just like I

635
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: don't never heard of this guy, I'm gonna go with

636
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: the other guy, and you know, just kind of take

637
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: guesses based on the odds, uh, and you might do

638
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: all right. You might hit some cards. You might you

639
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: know when all right here and there, but I think,

640
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Speaker 1: you know, for longevity purposes, sitting down and actually doing

641
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: your homework and really believing in the pics that you're

642
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: making is important. And for me, like understanding the fight game,

643
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: knowing guys styles, you know, seeing knowing guys you know

644
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: what maybe going through and amp watching guys fight week,

645
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, from their interviews to their weight cuts, um

646
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: and their press conferences, all these things. There's there's small

647
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: little things that you could see inside each one of

648
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Speaker 1: those that you know might swing the odds a little

649
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: bit in your in your mind. And I saw your

650
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: you're a Jets fan? Is that still true to their

651
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: Have you switched the Carolina Panthers now that you've moved

652
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: down south? No? So I was never like a big

653
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: Jets fan. I was. I'm more of a New York fan,

654
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, like whoever was doing good in New York,

655
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: I'd start, you know, rooting for them. You know, Chris

656
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: Martin when he was on the Jets. Okay, I was

657
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: a Jets guy. But you know, two thousand and twelve,

658
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, Giants, you know, all right, I'm a Giants fan,

659
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: they're making the playoffs. I'm with them, and you picked

660
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: a good time to leave New York because I don't

661
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: think they've been relevant any football team in New York

662
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: since that. Now, look it's now looking good over there. Yeah,

663
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: so now near the you know, now by Charlotte, you know,

664
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Speaker 1: I went to a couple of Panthers games there. I'm

665
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: excited for what they're looking like this year coming up

666
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: man Baker Mayfield and you know, Christian McCaffrey against some

667
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: offensive linement. Would you take their over that six and

668
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: a half? I would definitely take their that over and

669
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: a couple of suckers, a couple of lemons. Did you

670
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: guys throw that in already? Listen, I'm not doing it

671
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: as a sucker bet. That's a legit line is six

672
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: and a half. Six and a half game wins for

673
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: next year. That's a fair number for Carolina in a

674
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: weak division. And I feel like seven wins for Carolina.

675
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: Their defense will get better just by the virtue of

676
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: having Baker on the field because they will not be

677
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: on the field as much, which levels out their stats,

678
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: which puts them in a next higher tiers. Relo is

679
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: looking at me like I've got four heads right now.

680
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: That's a pro better, dude. My whole life's negative. Like

681
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm just a negative guy. Like I'm on the under,

682
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: on the under, on the dog. That's that's how I

683
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: make my money bet NFL unders and dogs. How about

684
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: you showan I am a jazz fan, Chris, and I'm

685
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: very disappointed to hear your answer, which is an answer

686
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: that my dad or my uncles would give about just

687
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: being a New York fan and switching allegiances because I

688
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: know you're also an Islanders fan, and I would hope

689
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: that would weren't rooting for the Rangers. I wouldn't. That's

690
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: different that I would never root for the Rangers ever.

691
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't care who they're playing. They are the team

692
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: I want to lose. I always had an issue with

693
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Speaker 1: anybody in like elementary school growing up and they were

694
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: a Long Island guy and they were fans of the Rangers.

695
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing? We have one team?

696
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: Are you freaking joking me? And so that would piss

697
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: me off. I would never go that way. I'm gonna

698
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: own the guy. Can we go back to I have

699
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: two questions to One is about Cardio. One is about quotes.

700
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Can you tell me your resting heart rate? So wrestling

701
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: heart rate right now is like fifty six. You know,

702
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm like I said, I'm focused more on strength and condition.

703
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: I mean on strength and physical therapy right now. So

704
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: cardio is not really king right now. But during my

705
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: training camps, I've had it in the thirties, which is

706
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, when I'm going hard hard, diets

707
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: on point, getting the right sleep because I wear the

708
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: Whoop band, you know, not to just plug. You know,

709
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm plugging Whoop. It's great. I wear this thing all

710
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: the time. I wear it throughout my sleep, so I

711
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: get my wrestling heart rate every night. It's it's amazing.

712
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: I know when I'm getting sick. I know when i'm

713
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, not recovered enough the thirties, thirties that what

714
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: are you doing to get into the thirties? Killing myself,

715
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: absolutely killing myself every single workout, getting to the point

716
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: where I feel like I'm gonna die, and then continuing

717
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: and doing that multiple time. Today, Let's say I'm overweight,

718
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: I smoke weed constantly. I rest in heart rates thirty eight.

719
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: You're a freak. Yeah, I used to be an athlete

720
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: many moons ago. Maybe that helps. That's what I did.

721
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: Man rate, yours is thirty eight because you're barely human

722
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: and probably don't have a hurt wit. Hang on a second,

723
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: We're not kidding. You have a thirty eight resting heart rate,

724
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: I swear brother. Yeah, shout out to Apple if you

725
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: want to sponsor the number one game in podcasts in

726
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: the world, Apple Watch, I mean more free ship. Hang

727
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: on a second. This is this is this is dirty.

728
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to take down Apple, but it's are

729
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: you sure that's doing it right? I need to see

730
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: on your phone right now you're resting heart rate if

731
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: it's if it's if it's not in the fifties right now,

732
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be good right now because I got COVID.

733
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: I'll pull it up though. Now you got the COVID, yeah,

734
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: and afterwards we'll never see it. That there again, you're

735
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna have long COVID. Can I just say that my

736
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: resting heart right is forty four. I'm just gonna say it,

737
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: are you Yeah? I'm hyped up though, all right? I

738
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: believe you before right now and it doesn't help, and

739
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: you're definitely sweating. That's got you got a good heart, bro,

740
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: here's my next question, or you're dying. I don't know, possible. Uh.

741
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: The other question is you just mentioned something really interesting

742
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: because I know Zarillo Simon both. When any of us

743
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: are doing our handicapping for something, we don't discount what

744
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: coaches say, what players say, what kind of signals they're

745
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: giving to the market during a press conference, or how

746
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: they're answering a question. And you just said something. You

747
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: will see the way fighters are responding to comments. Do

748
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: you think as a fighter yourself that strategically about what

749
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: you're going to say in the run up to a

750
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: fight in pre fight interviews, press conferences, things like that.

751
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: Do do it? Does the fighter like consciously prepare to

752
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: do you? Because because you just said you're you can

753
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: see what fighters are saying and get a sense for

754
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: how training is going or things like that. So take

755
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: me inside how the prep goes. Just for that part

756
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, you know what, you know what

757
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: to say as far as the basics, but you also

758
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: know when someone's being genuine or not. For the most part,

759
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, guys could say I had

760
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: the best fight camp in my of my career, or

761
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: they could say it in a way they really mean it,

762
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of reading in between the lines.

763
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: It's not really like the words that they're saying, it's

764
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: the way they look um and the way they're saying it.

765
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you know, I got my bachelors

766
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: degree from psychology and psychology from Hasha University School of Greatness.

767
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: So there's things that I could do that maybe some

768
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: of you guys aren't educated enough to do, like reading

769
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: people's you know, body language, well, genius read our body

770
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: ling signmon is barely alive. You guys are all dying, yeah,

771
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: or we're an incredible shape, incredible shape. Here's another question

772
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: for you. So you were once on a sitcom. I

773
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: believe you played Adam Sandler's Nasau County police partner on

774
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: four episodes of Kevin James Kevin Kinwait. And the critiques

775
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: were that you looked like you belong to a network

776
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: show and not just because you're a handsome version of

777
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: Norm McDonald r I P. Would you have traded one

778
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: of your middleweight titles to star in your own sitcom?

779
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: A lot of work, but yeah, I think I give

780
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: up one of them. I give up my V tour

781
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: Belfort Defense. As long as we could get the syndication

782
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: guarantee to get those residuals over like the rest of

783
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: your life like Kevin James has from Kam Queen's, then

784
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: you're good for the rest of your life pretty much.

785
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: And I wanted it to be the same character I

786
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: was on the Kevin Kevin Kawait Show. I was Adam

787
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: Sandler's partner. Kevin James was Adam Sandler's used to be

788
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: Adam Salmon's partner, and Kevin retired, and I was the

789
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: new guy who was better at everything, everything that Kevin

790
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: James was ever good at. I was just I was

791
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: just a little bit better. I had some good times,

792
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: didn't we. It was great man, ten years together. That

793
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: squad car's gotta feel a little lonely without me. Well,

794
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: you know I get by go Jimmy, let's roll man. Hey,

795
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: this is my new partner, Nicky Dawson. Nick this is

796
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: my old partner, Kevin Gable. I'm the guy now. You

797
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: gotta face to go with all the stories and stuff.

798
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: So stories Christmas Eve, me chasing that crazy deer through

799
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: the mall. It was epic. That sounds awesome, but no,

800
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: it was awesome. Was this your first day working with him? No,

801
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: it's been a few months now since the last guy retired.

802
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: That's me, that's the guy he's talking about. So they

803
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: went down to the you know, batting cages. I was

804
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: just crushing every ball, big boy, that's my coule of spas.

805
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: Get it, baby, you need some bad gloves, no good. Yeah,

806
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: it's pretty self evident that the kid's got some hand

807
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 1: eyed coward age. Okay, but I gotta tell you something.

808
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: That one one to the kave. He tried to every

809
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: every sport we played. I was just the man. And

810
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: then at the end that was like the best singer

811
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: of all time as well. They were always singing together,

812
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: but I was like way better I sung, I like

813
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: sing opera and I was like unbelievable. And if I

814
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: could just be that character forever, just be the guy

815
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: that's better than everybody and everything and everybody loves besides

816
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: Kevin James, that would be awesome. Did you ask Kevin

817
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: James what is resting her rate? Was? I'll tell you was.

818
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: I hope it's not as low as you guys, because

819
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: it's not. That would be a good thing. She I mean,

820
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: he's not in great shape as far as like you know,

821
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: weight goes. But he is an athlete. Trained with him

822
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: countless times actually at this point, not to you know,

823
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: name drop, Like you know, we've hung out a lot

824
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: of done a lot of training with him. He's like

825
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: an exceptional athlete. He played football a Courtland University. He

826
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: was a running back and then got in a comedy.

827
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: Definitely gained some weight, but he's still that athlete. Don't

828
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: needs some of that fat. And he's been training mixed

829
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: martial arts for like almost twenty years. He could throw

830
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: down if you needed needed to. His wrestling heart race

831
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: probably all right, it's probably alright. Not as good as mine,

832
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: definitely not as good as Simons and yours. Opportunities like that,

833
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: being on a sitcom, hanging out with Sandler and James.

834
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: How crazy was that when those things first start happening

835
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: to you After you he become a UFC champion, That

836
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: happened when I wasn't UFC champion. I had lost my

837
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: belt there any but that was crazy for me. You know,

838
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: I was friends with Kevin for a while. He's from

839
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: Round and him and Adam were close friends. So he

840
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: got him on the episode and it was gonna be

841
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: my first time acting, and so Kevin knew, like me

842
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: and Kevin were friends. So I'm just I could tell

843
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: him listen, I suck helped me out, tell me, you

844
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: know everything I need to do, and he'll he'll tell

845
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: me it's not like, you know, I have to feel

846
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: embarrassed about that. But now you're bringing an Adam Sandler

847
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: the first time I'm ever acting, and it's in front

848
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: of a live audience. He's gonna look at me like

849
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: why am I wasting my time with this newbie actor

850
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: and just kind of be like a dick. So I

851
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: was super nervous and when he came in, I didn't

852
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: know what to expect. The only request he had on

853
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: that show was to have a basketball hoop around so

854
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: he could practice basketball, because that's what he does for exercise.

855
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: You know. He flew in, you know, into the airport

856
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: and by himself, he went to some random basketball park

857
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn to play some pickup basketball, Like how do

858
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: you do that? Everyone knows who you are, Like, like

859
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: what's that like? And he's like, you know, I kind

860
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: of just wait for one guy to be like, you know, hey,

861
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: leave him alone, let's play basketball and usually you know,

862
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't and that's what usually happens. He's just such

863
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: a down to earth dude. He was awesome to hang

864
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: out with. You know, obviously Kevin's the man and uh

865
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: And to have my first acting experience to be with

866
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: those guys and I had a bunch of lines. It

867
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: was nerve wracking. But the whole key with acting, not

868
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: that I'm a pro, is that you want to sound comfortable.

869
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: It's like me and you're talking right now. Besides, you're

870
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: doing in front of these cameras and lives, and you

871
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: just want to like, you know, you could do the

872
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: US and you could stumble because that's normal, that's normal

873
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: day life. And so because they were so like chill

874
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: with each other and they weren't nervous, and it just

875
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: they were so relaxed, it helped me become more relaxed.

876
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: I had a good performance, I think because just because

877
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: of that they were so relaxed, I was able to

878
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: relax and just have fun. Acting is super hard. Man,

879
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: remember your lines and then being able to spume out

880
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: the right way is not easy. It felt like I

881
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: was getting ready for a fight. Kevin James would be

882
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: like I would be that guy. If I had a

883
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: fight that we're going to the octagon and Bruce Bucker

884
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: would be like, are you ready? And are you ready?

885
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: And he'd be like, no, I'm actually I'm not ready.

886
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm not not ready. Can we get kind of get

887
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: a minute? And he just like jumped out. He's like,

888
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys do that. They were

889
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: laughing at me being because I was so nervous for

890
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: that and they just didn't understand why or how like,

891
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, this is different. Are you the

892
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: reason Kevin James did that fight movie? No, No, that

893
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: was that that was before we were friends. That I

894
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: wish I was friends with him at point all do Man,

895
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: I would have loved have been in that movie. Here

896
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: comes to Boom, by the way, That's what it is, right, Chris.

897
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: I have to ask you about Ray Longo because we've

898
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: talked about a lot along Island Legends on this podcast,

899
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: but I need more Ray Longo in my life. Not

900
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: only is he trained yourself and two other UFC champions

901
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: Matt Sarah, who closed as I believe still the biggest

902
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: underdog and UFC history to win in a title fight

903
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: anyway against GSP Algermaine Sterling one is an underdog and

904
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: then defended his belt as an underdog against Pieter Jan.

905
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: So all three of you have won his underdogs. What's

906
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: it like to have Ray as a coach. What's it

907
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: like to have him is in your corner? What's like

908
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: some of the best advice he's ever given you? Because

909
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: he's just a complete character for people who haven't observed

910
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: him at least on TV, I'm curious, but he's like

911
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: in real life. But he I mean, he reminds me

912
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: of a cross between like Ray Romano and all of

913
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: my uncles from Queens. So I'm just curious what it's

914
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: like to be around let Ray Longo and how inspirationally

915
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: is let's go keep that jam moving out. He's the man.

916
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's gonna go down as one

917
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: of the best coaches of all time. To have three

918
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: guys from Long Island and a local area, but you

919
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: know Baldwin East, Baldwin, East Meadow and Uniondale. You know

920
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: old within like I don't know, five miles of each other.

921
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: Take three kids from scratch and turn them into the

922
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: UFC World champion. It's on precedent that no one's ever

923
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: done it. You know, other coaches have had a bunch

924
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: of you know, they've had other champions like Happier Mendez

925
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: at a K, but it's all it's not guys from

926
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: that area. You know. He took local talent and turned

927
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: them into you know, world championship, which is unbelieable. And

928
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: it's because how much he cares, like he becomes friends

929
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: with you. It's not like you know, coach where you know,

930
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: hay Straw up for an hour, we're gonna hit pads,

931
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you through a workout. You're gonna pay

932
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: me and go home. It's he's there literally every day

933
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: of the week anytime you want uh, and he's you know,

934
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: he's pushing you, he's pulling you back when you you

935
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: need to get pulled back. He's not afraid that. You know,

936
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: there's times I've came to the gym also you know

937
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm having you know, I'm fighting with my wife or

938
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: you know, I got something going on with my kids,

939
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, we're not working out today, we're

940
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: chilling and we just chill. And so he was really

941
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: he's really good with that, and that would be like

942
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: on a Sunday, he's wasting his time coming in and

943
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: he'd be like, you know, all right, we're just chilling today,

944
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: let's play guitar. And Uh So he's just a good

945
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: dude who really cares. He gets to know his fighters

946
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: if he likes it, He's gonna get to know you

947
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: on a real personal level. He's gonna know what's going

948
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: on in your life. You know, you're gonna know what's

949
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: going on his life. Become like best friends. And his

950
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: faith in us, like just is at the ultimate level.

951
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: And a guy who is as good of a coach

952
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: as him, for him to have, you know, confidence and

953
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: you just gives you such confidence in yourself to where

954
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: you just don't think. You just don't feel like you

955
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: could lose, and you don't want to lose. You don't

956
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: want to let him down. Uh, he's really such he's

957
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: a great coach. That's that. You asked me a few

958
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: questions in there, and one of them was best advice.

959
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: Best advice? Um, I mean the infamous one was in

960
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: between rounds when I was fighting in silver the first time,

961
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: and and in between the first and second round, you know,

962
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: I took down Anderson, I was ground and pounding him.

963
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: He got back up, he started, you know, showboating, doing

964
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: the normal thing that Anderson does, you know, trying to

965
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: mock me and make him feel like, you know, I

966
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: have no chance to beat him and h and so

967
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: in between rounds, I come back, I sit down on

968
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: the stool and he's like, I want you to punch

969
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: a hole through his fucking chest. And now was technical

970
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: advice because when a guy so Innton Silva was leaning

971
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: back with his head and moving his head, but he

972
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: wasn't moving his body. When you're not moving your feet,

973
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: you want to go through their body first, hit him

974
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: strong there and then come up into the head. And

975
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: so that's what the that's really what he was trying

976
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: to get out. But he said it's in such an

977
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: emotional way that like got me going, like I sucked

978
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: this guy up and then I ended up knocking him

979
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: out that round. So yeah, that's probably the most memorable

980
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: memorable advice, but there's been a lot over the years.

981
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: That's what I say to our team too, Hi, Simon Sean,

982
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: I just want you to punch a hole in their

983
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: fucking chest. That gets you amped up, Hit people in

984
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: the fucking mouth, run it up, there fucking throat. That's it.

985
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: Cut it in, baby, Chris Wideman, Long Island's Finest Chris

986
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: Wideman Day coming up. Don't miss don't don't miss it.

987
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: UFC Superstar on the way back. Everyone, uh listen, I'm

988
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: excited to see what the E sixty pieces at the

989
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: end of the year on your full recovery and your

990
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: return uh to fighting. Thanks for coming on the podcast.

991
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: Man really appreciate it. I appreciate you guys having me

992
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: good times man for Sewanzarillo, for Simon Hunter, for Matt Mitchell.

993
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm Shad Moman. This has been the favorites from the

994
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997
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