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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club, Blowing out of the backfields,

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Speaker 1: flowing down the sidelines. He's Hanging with the Boys, presented

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Speaker 1: by Wingstoff where Flavor gets its wings. Now your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross. Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show Hanging with the Boys. Thank you

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Speaker 1: wing Stop for bringing us another episode of the best

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Speaker 1: show Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Shannon Gross, Nate Newton, Jesse Holly.

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Speaker 1: We are Curtless today, coming at you live from the

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Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage living Room and Frisco, Texas. Kurt had

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Speaker 1: to deal with We'll let him tell you when he

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Speaker 1: gets back what he's dealing with. So but no, yah, nah, no,

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Speaker 1: I mentioned it yesterday. Okay, No, we won't wait to

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Speaker 1: Kurt get there. You know, I'm not a I'm not

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Speaker 1: a bottom of this bucket. I'm gonna tell it right Na,

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Speaker 1: you either telling Shannon, I'm gonna tell it. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Nate, you tell it. No, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: be the one Kurt's Kurt's dealing with the in laws today,

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Speaker 1: So that we should have a good story when he

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Speaker 1: comes back. So, Jesse, Kurt, you care to elaborate, Jesse, Nope,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Kurt tell it. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I tried to tell Shannon before he got married, and

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Speaker 1: I tell any guy when you get married, and when

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Speaker 1: people say, hey, you're at the head of the household,

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Speaker 1: most of that mean he's just financial. You even got

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Speaker 1: somebody telling you what to do with that son of

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Speaker 1: the household. It sounds good and it makes you feel good.

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Speaker 1: But guess what Mama gonna tell you what to do

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Speaker 1: to Majar at the time because she got the schedule.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So we should have a good story when

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Speaker 1: Kurt comes back. So we are rocking the Miller Light sweaters.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Miller Light for providing us these ugly Christmas sweaters.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty amazing. Went out to day and everybody like me,

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Speaker 1: that's a nice sweat. I said, yes, Shannon and girls

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Speaker 1: because we are in the Christmas spirits and we all

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Speaker 1: three got different ones, and they is that years from

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Speaker 1: last year for a couple of years ago. Because we

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Speaker 1: got the one Jesse got on last year, right, I

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Speaker 1: think so? And then I've got one. We're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be in the order for some new ones, right, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we still wait? There was this wait a second, hold on,

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Speaker 1: this is new to me. Y'all got this last year?

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Speaker 1: So y'all gave me retreads. Oh do we get these shit? Baby?

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Speaker 1: I got Look, I just got this one in the

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Speaker 1: kind of lost. This is last year's sweater. But you

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Speaker 1: saw that he's living, y'all. What he's telling y'all he

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Speaker 1: don't run the house. He literally had to ask and

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Speaker 1: Nate's not telling y'all a lie. He don't run his household,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. We were supposed to get these,

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Speaker 1: I don't have taken my tags off, but your yours

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Speaker 1: looks nice. All of them actually, all of them actually

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Speaker 1: Thank you Milor Light for and you can buy these.

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Speaker 1: I need to get the r L where you can

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Speaker 1: For fifteen minutes he out us, speaking loud, hollering, getting

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Speaker 1: his point across rehearsing for the show. But I look that, said,

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Speaker 1: So we get in the cab. He studied rehearsing, and

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Speaker 1: prepared because he was passing it about getting out what

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Speaker 1: he wanted to say. And that's how he played the

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Speaker 1: football game we played against him against the Stillers, and

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Speaker 1: we and Larry Brown's got the interceptions at the at

433
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Speaker 1: the end of the game, all we heard was Kevin Green,

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Speaker 1: you guys are He ain't saying it's nice and I'm saying,

435
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Speaker 1: you guys are lucky. We were coming, We were beating you,

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Speaker 1: We dominantue immates. You are Oh. He was a passionate

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Speaker 1: guy and as I got to know him off the field,

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Speaker 1: and he's coaching in Green Bay and doing things the

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Speaker 1: same passion. He's a passionate guy. Man. He was a

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Speaker 1: hell of a football player and much loved him and

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Speaker 1: his family. That's from real, all right, Kevin Green R

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Speaker 1: I P all right, coming off of let's talk about

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Speaker 1: special teams. Since we got Jesse on the show. Jesse

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Speaker 1: likes to talk about special teams. How do you guys

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Speaker 1: feel about the special teams? Coming off Ceedee Lamb's kick

446
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Speaker 1: returned for a touchdown. That wasn't the probably the decision

447
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Speaker 1: that coaches wanted to see him make, but he scored

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Speaker 1: a touchdown. I know Tony Pollard was a little shaky

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Speaker 1: in the kick game the beginning of the year. Outside

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Speaker 1: of the bad play calls on the fake punts, um

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Speaker 1: they're tied for third and kick return average twenty six

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Speaker 1: point six. They're tied for ninth and punt returns at

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Speaker 1: ten yards per punt return, and they're eleventh and opponent

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Speaker 1: kickoff returns at twenty one point one and fifth and

455
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Speaker 1: punt return yards seventy eight. What do you think about them?

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Speaker 1: Do you like the way they're looking? I think it's

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Speaker 1: a major improvement. Why. Here's why I say that. Remember

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year, we talked about this

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Speaker 1: on this very show, where we weren't getting any type

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Speaker 1: of advantage from our special teams. All of our starts

461
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: were minus twenty yards. Our opponents average start was thirty

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Speaker 1: five yards. I mean, so we were looking at we

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Speaker 1: were missing field goals early in the year and in

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Speaker 1: despite I know everyone's gonna hold over the head that

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Speaker 1: that fake punt that didn't work out, but this team

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Speaker 1: has it is seen as special teams get better, give

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Speaker 1: them give their team a better starting field. Percentage not

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Speaker 1: allow teams to start in such great field percentage. And

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Speaker 1: and that's those hidden yards that we talk about. Special

470
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Speaker 1: teams is never a thing that people talk about on

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Speaker 1: a day to day basis. It's not sexy. Most people

472
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Speaker 1: don't know about it. But there's a ton of hidden

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Speaker 1: yards that's in special teams that you're saying, Okay, if

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Speaker 1: I get you know, even talking about a punt return,

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Speaker 1: if I can average ten yards a punt return, that's

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Speaker 1: a first down. I've saved my team the strife of

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Speaker 1: having to get another first down simply because I was

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Speaker 1: able to advance the ball ten yards from the spot

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Speaker 1: where I caught it. So there's a lot of different

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Speaker 1: things that comes into the play of special teams. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you want to see the trick players work when they

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Speaker 1: when they're called. You want to make sure that you're

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Speaker 1: consistent on the you know, extra points and field goals.

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Speaker 1: But the biggest thing is that hidden yard is that

485
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Speaker 1: you get in punts and uh and and punts, punt returns,

486
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Speaker 1: kickoff and kickoff returns. Being able to back teams up

487
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Speaker 1: to make them have to travel the length of the field.

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Speaker 1: Because earlier in the year we were having to travel

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Speaker 1: seventy five eighty yards eighty five yards on a consistent basis,

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Speaker 1: and that is just it's not realistic. It's not really

491
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Speaker 1: the thing that you're gonna have to travel eighty percent

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Speaker 1: of the times eighty yards to score points, because you're

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Speaker 1: just not when you when you when it's sixty five,

494
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Speaker 1: when it's fifty. Those type of advantages help your offense,

495
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Speaker 1: help your team, and it even helps your defense. Because

496
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Speaker 1: if I get the ball and I only have sixty

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Speaker 1: five yards to go in the event that I have

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Speaker 1: to punt it, now I back them up, and now

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Speaker 1: they have eighty eighty five yards to go. But when

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Speaker 1: I get it minus twenty, minus fifteen, and I have

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Speaker 1: to travel even when I punt, they're getting the ball

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Speaker 1: in relatively respective field positions at their thirty five or

503
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Speaker 1: their forty, they're forty five. Now they don't have to

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Speaker 1: travel as far to get field goals and in the

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Speaker 1: field goals to touchdown. In any event that they have

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Speaker 1: to punt, they leave us back, They leave us backed up.

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Speaker 1: So I think this team has made market improvements throughout

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Speaker 1: the year to a point where this is what we

509
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Speaker 1: wanted to see it. We want to see ourselves in

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Speaker 1: a position to have that field position go in our favor. Well,

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Speaker 1: all right, before spoken, there you go. That's our special

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Speaker 1: teams guy. Speaking of special teams guys, shout out to

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Speaker 1: Danny McCrae last night for Jordan the show good times

514
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Speaker 1: on Cowboys Crazy. How's that mean when it comes when

515
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Speaker 1: it comes to our offense? What's he think? That's all

516
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Let's move on, Shannon,

517
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Speaker 1: I know, give give Tony Pollock more reps or give

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Speaker 1: Zeke more reps? Which one did he talk? Which one

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Speaker 1: do you think about? No, No, we're not you if

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Speaker 1: you didn't listen and pay attention last not to your

521
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Speaker 1: four hearts on on on the podcast. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: share it with you. Jesse, get off and we'll talk

523
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Speaker 1: to the fans about it. You get off and walk away,

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Speaker 1: getting in your car and going back to the WiFi. Nah. No, No,

525
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Speaker 1: what he said was it was more to the Keller

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Speaker 1: Moore thing. Else. He's still learning and and since the

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Speaker 1: Philly game he's gotten much better. And uh, and my

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Speaker 1: question is when you got great players like Amari Cooper,

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Speaker 1: like uh, like Ceedee Lamb, like these guys. Get them

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Speaker 1: the ball more in rough situations, in special situations, get

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Speaker 1: them the ball more. And because it's no doubt and

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Speaker 1: in certain games with certain teams, Okay, who Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: throwing the ball too? He could be third and fifteen?

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Speaker 1: Who who the ball going to? We know it's going

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Speaker 1: big catch coming out of backfield. We ain't giving nobody

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Speaker 1: missus Jones anger, get up all see your horses, and

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, all right, let's take

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Speaker 1: our last break when we come back. Two things I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about. Jordan Lewis had a pretty darn

546
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Speaker 1: good game this past week coming back. Has he done

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Speaker 1: enough to deserve a contract with the Dallas Cowboys next season?

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Speaker 1: And yes, seven, mister j Wallas more, we got some

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Speaker 1: coming back. Mister Jones had an interesting quote on the

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Speaker 1: out loud just because it's it's it's fun. And I

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Speaker 1: read this quote that Jerry had on The Fan, and

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Speaker 1: This is from Jerry Jones on one O five three

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Speaker 1: The Fan on his negotiating philosophy. I call it the

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Speaker 1: light theory. When you walk out of a room, you

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Speaker 1: you do is, on every negotiation, you turn the light off.

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Speaker 1: Because you may not think you need that light in

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Speaker 1: There's no question you will need it at a certain

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Speaker 1: can for the benefit of having more available for the

635
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: players around the very player you're talking to. Now, that's

636
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: not directed in any player. That's just a negotiation. That's real.

637
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: That's not bs. That's a very real thing. That's like

638
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: an ankle injury. That's like depreciation and talent. That's very

639
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: much a part of what goes on when you're trying

640
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: to put a team together. Anybody, make that make sense

641
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: to me? I mean, I just wanted to read that

642
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: out loud because it a lot there. Okay, no, all right,

643
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: move on, I'm okay. Well, yeah, let's try to make

644
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: some sense of this, how to make some trying to

645
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: make some sense of you know what. Let's not because

646
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell Joey's talking about. I

647
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: don't know what he's talking about. What prompted them to

648
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: say to give that speech? I don't know Kurt gave

649
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: that to me, and I don't wait on Kurt tomorrow

650
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: with his other story. He can tell us just from

651
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: too Let's hold on to it. Okay, we'll hold on

652
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, yeah, let's hold on to it. I

653
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: just wanted to read it out loud because it was

654
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: fun and it didn't make sense to me, but I

655
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: like it. Maybe Chris can actually pull the interview and

656
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: we can listen to it in real time, So tune

657
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: in tomorrow. Sorry to stop the showdown with that. Jordan

658
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: Lewis great game, Great game Sunday. He seems to play

659
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: better when he's got pieces around him. Cheeto was back,

660
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: Diggs was back. He seems he seems like he's back

661
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: on track. Do you guys want to see him back

662
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: next year? Does he deserve a contract this year? Here

663
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: for me? And I heard one of the guys on

664
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: the fans say, this isn't made so much sense. Broughtiston

665
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: had a gallon and I can't think his name one

666
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: of the major magazines. Yeah, he made so much sense.

667
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: I was like, this is smart. He say, how are

668
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: we gonna judge these coaches with all these injuries in

669
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: the disaster that was there, especially within the first eight games.

670
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: All of course mccarthur was left with was trying to

671
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: manage a disaster that's like a major storm hitting your city.

672
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: We can't judge the mirror and all of these people

673
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: on what great job he did on balancing the budget

674
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: when you didn't have no budget because everything was toe up.

675
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: So I agree with this young man that Jesse just

676
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: woke up. Coach McCarthy managed their disaster this year. So

677
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: the players fall fall into that part of the disaster

678
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: where let's some of these guys we gotta keep this

679
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: to see is what you thought before they started? It's correct,

680
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: because yeah, so many, so many injuries everywhere on this team.

681
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: To some of these guys you got to hold on to.

682
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: And I don't know if lewis one of those guys

683
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: and how they felt before this thing fell apart. But

684
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: what you got to do is continue to play this

685
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: coming game in the next game with the same intensity

686
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: and smartness that he played these last few with. Here's

687
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: the Here's the plus and the minus for Jordan lewis.

688
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: The plus is Jordan Lewiser plays a position that is

689
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: needed in the National Football League. He puys Nickels Nickel

690
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: slot corner, and what the the league is playing football now?

691
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: Three wide receiver set, four wide receiver set or flex

692
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: tight end. Who's really a wide receiver. You need guys

693
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: who can play nicol slot corner, and you need depth

694
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: at that position. Most teams are going to carry five, six,

695
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: maybe seven depending on their scheme. DB's a game a year.

696
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: So for a guy like Jordan Lewis, the gift is

697
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: that he plays a position and he plays it well enough.

698
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: He's not a pro bowler, but he's not he's not garbage.

699
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: He plays it well enough that he will always be

700
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: gainfully employed. The curse is that now you have to

701
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: try to negotiate with a new coaching staff who doesn't

702
00:40:54,120 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: have who doesn't have any relationship with you, meaning they

703
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: didn't draft you, they didn't help you build. They just

704
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: got here this year and your year was up and

705
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: down this year. So you're kind of being judged, to

706
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: Nate's point, in this chaotic situation and a contract year.

707
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: It always helps if you have the prolific numbers to

708
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: walk in there like the big joker and say here's

709
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: what I am. You pay me. But when you don't

710
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: have those numbers and now you have a coaching staff

711
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: who your defense has been historically bad this year, now

712
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: having to judge who do we keep, who do we

713
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: let go, who do we pay. So he's stuck between

714
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: a rock and the hard place. He's stuck between, you know,

715
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: getting a contract here or trying to work out a

716
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: contract here, or potentially going somewhere else, or he may

717
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: have to play on a one year deal. So for me,

718
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: I think, I think George Lewis is a guy that

719
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: you try to bring back, but you try to bring

720
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: him back at something that's relatively super friendly to your

721
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: organization because he doesn't have much leverage other than hey,

722
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: I can go play somewhere else, which is true, but

723
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: somewhere else might mean you may you may get picked

724
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: up late, you may be on a league minimum deal.

725
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: And if you can secure yourself for the next two

726
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: or three years with the deal, and it maybe not

727
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: be everything that you want, if you can, if you

728
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: could secure yourself with a deal that gives you some

729
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 1: solid guaranteed money, right three years, twelve million dollars, maybe

730
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: you get six seven eight million dollars guaranteed. Now, what

731
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: you've done is you secure a job. You're in a

732
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: position where you hope this team is building, is going

733
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: to build around the defense, and you play better when

734
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: you have good players around you, and you know, you

735
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: get your quarterback back and everything now is working in

736
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: your favor, and then you're able to come back to

737
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: a table with the franchise that you've been with for

738
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: your entire career and negotiate a deal. But I mean,

739
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: I think I think he's a player that you bring back.

740
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 1: I do think the turner you try to bring back.

741
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: But if he wants to get you know, spicy, and say, hey,

742
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: you know I'm worth much more than you guys really

743
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: willing to give, then he's not good enough to miss him.

744
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: If he walks, I think he's replaceable. You'd like to

745
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: have him because he's been here, but he hasn't done

746
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: anything to the sense of we need please Jordan Lewis,

747
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: please stay. I think he's a good addition you need

748
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: the depth you find a team friendly deal. But if

749
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: he walks, you tip your cap to him and say,

750
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: thank you for your services here. We appreciate you. We'll

751
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: see you when we see you, Nate. And you know what,

752
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: it's a very it's a very very thin line because

753
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 1: it's a thing live. We've seen We've seen guys. We've

754
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: seen guys, but we said, oh, okay, he all right.

755
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: But one key thing you said yes that I grabbed

756
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: on two is around better players, he gets better, so

757
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: he may go to another organization all of a sudden

758
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: would be like this, Anthony hitches wow. If we didn't

759
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: knew that, it's because you got to have better players

760
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: around these guys so they can flourish. That's scared. That's

761
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: what keeps scaring me is the fact that when we're

762
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: gonna start getting these better players, and I hope within

763
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: the next few years, so we can flourish with what

764
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: we have, that the backups play better. Always with greater players.

765
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: I'm correct, absolutely absolutely carry. And I don't know abet

766
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: to pay these guys. I can't you know, I can't

767
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: you know. I joke you out ahead, give him a

768
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: couple of hundred, one hundred thousand more. I don't know

769
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: what the going rate for a cornerback or spent a

770
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: slot guy gonna be this year. We don't we you know,

771
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: this is a this is a blind year with with

772
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: with UH with an unstable cap. So he may be

773
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: sitting here that hundred thousand may not be too far fetched.

774
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: You know that, you know that we're laughing about now

775
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: because people are gonna be scared to move. You got

776
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: to be elite for people to jump on you. This year,

777
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: Nate question for you to close out the show. You

778
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: talk about Kevin Green and you blocked him, and you

779
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: talked about you talked about Jerome Brown having nightmares. That

780
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: was the guy that that gave you fits. Who was

781
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: the best player, that you just had his number, that

782
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: when you went up against him, you just you just

783
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: always got the best of him. Really, guy, I used

784
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: to get Danny. He got a sack on me one,

785
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: but I used to handle Danna because he's a fat man.

786
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: Anybody that I was a fat man him and and

787
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: uh and this brother is no longer with us, the

788
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: big kid from Seattle. I can't think Kennedy. Yeah, yeah,

789
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: I told dudes, you can be an all pro every

790
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: at every move. You wanted to be the only fat

791
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: guy I could not block and I feared was Jerome Brown.

792
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: Everybody else you was just a grease fire. And we

793
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: was gonna roll and burn. That's all were going to do.

794
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: Rolling burn if you use a fat bad. I was

795
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: gonna get you roll and burn. I mean one time,

796
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: what's kind of got mad at me because I uh delayed?

797
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: What's the fridge? Yeah, I think he's no longer with us.

798
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: Blessed his hard and his family. You know, he got

799
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: mad because he was getting ready to play them right here,

800
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: and I say, they're like, hey, man, you're in the

801
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: you're in the fridge. Came in together, y'all getting ready

802
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: to play. I said, tell fridge, I love him. And

803
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: this grease five we're gonna set in the middle of

804
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: the field. We better have a five alarm things set

805
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: up so we can put out this grease file. We're

806
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: gonna roll in the middle of this field. They went

807
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: and told this kid, this man, he got upset, Tell

808
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: big nut, I'm coming out of my crushed him. The

809
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: fat guy. Man, it fat on fat. We weren't everyone's

810
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: gonna beat you much winning. I'm winning all fat battles

811
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: as long as they didn't have long arms. You got

812
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: him right, long arms like Richard. Then, oh my god,

813
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: this arm is this long. I'm sitting there fighting that hour. No,

814
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: I won't go get them long of the guys. Rizzie

815
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: white Wood, I'm gonna get them cow with long arms.

816
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, fellas tomorrow, same time, same place,

817
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: last show before Christmas. Let's have fun with it, Let's

818
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: do it right. Well ingles, Cowboys are still alive. They

819
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: got a chance to make that Super Bowl ry. Let's

820
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: talk about it tomorrow, Chris be thanks for keeping us

821
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: on the air. Kurt, we missed you, Nate, Jesse, good

822
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: hanging out with you. We will be back tomorrow for

823
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: one more episode before Christmas, Hanging with the Boys. See

824
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: you tomorrow, Kurlo. This has been a production of Dallas

825
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,479
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