Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast.
Speaker 3: We were here breaking down Grant's season of The Bachelor.
Speaker 3: Now we are at hometown's this week. There's so much
Speaker 3: to talk about, Ashley. I'm going to start out the
Speaker 3: podcast with saying this, it is one of the most
Speaker 3: shocking exits of the season. Now, before we get to that,
Speaker 3: let's break down the episode.
Speaker 2: Are you ready? Yes, we have Juliana's date for the
Speaker 2: first date.
Speaker 3: It's in Newton, Massachusetts, East Coast, something you're familiar with.
Speaker 4: I like the vibe, very familiar vibe.
Speaker 5: I like the North End. Well, I guess it was
Speaker 5: the little Italy in her town, but you know Boston's
Speaker 5: North End, and.
Speaker 4: I just don't. I don't know. How do you feel
Speaker 4: about this?
Speaker 5: Because I know Juliana is the frontrunner, but overall I
Speaker 5: love her date, still wanting more. There's only one person
Speaker 5: in this competition that I feel real connection with.
Speaker 2: I loved her date.
Speaker 4: Actually date part was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I put it at number two as the
Speaker 3: hometowns for the week, Yeah, confidently at number two.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I loved her family. I loved her dad.
Speaker 3: Now dad, granted, I married into an Italian family, so
Speaker 3: there is a level here where I just watched this
Speaker 3: and felt I did feel like there was missing something,
Speaker 3: because what I love it about Italian family is this,
Speaker 3: they are un apologetically almost rude and not like they're
Speaker 3: loving when you're inside of it. When you're inside of
Speaker 3: that circle, you feel like you have the most love
Speaker 3: in the world. When you're on the outside looking in,
Speaker 3: especially on a first date, they're almost mean to you,
Speaker 3: and that's okay once you understand what they're getting at.
Speaker 3: And I wish they would have been a little meaner
Speaker 3: to Grant, and I don't know why they weren't, because
Speaker 3: I know they wanted.
Speaker 5: To be that teaser that they had last week where
Speaker 5: that you caught the dad's saying you're kissing.
Speaker 4: My daughter in front of me or whatever did.
Speaker 5: Seem so scary in the previews and such like a
Speaker 5: jokester moment in real life, which was cute.
Speaker 4: I like that moment. It was my Probably my favorite
Speaker 4: moment was the day.
Speaker 5: That and when the dad said I love him, I
Speaker 5: love the guy like that.
Speaker 4: Was really must have made Juliana feel really good.
Speaker 2: It had to him.
Speaker 3: I just I've been around Italians like one hundred percent Italians.
Speaker 3: So when I first met Jess's family, her aunts, they
Speaker 3: sat me at a table and they sat across from me,
Speaker 3: and I was on one side of the table and
Speaker 3: they drilled me and they said, we like you Ben enough,
Speaker 3: but if you hurt Jess, we will hurt you. That
Speaker 3: was how they opened my very first time ever meeting them.
Speaker 3: And I remember leaving that being like, I don't know
Speaker 3: what they meant, and I had to get it explain
Speaker 3: to me because I've never been around.
Speaker 4: That the mob was going after you.
Speaker 2: I think they could have called upon him.
Speaker 5: Okay, Can I just say that Jess doesn't strike me
Speaker 5: as like uber Italian in any way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, She's like this sweet southern bell to me.
Speaker 5: She does not register Italian, big Italian Northeast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she doesn't feel comfortable in those, but she lets
Speaker 3: her ants do what they want to do, right so
Speaker 3: they she knows that they have an element to them
Speaker 3: that she doesn't have, and I think she trusts it.
Speaker 3: And I think when somebody like me walks in where
Speaker 3: Jess is like I think I'm gonna marry this guy,
Speaker 3: She's like he needs to be able to handle this.
Speaker 3: I have a shirt upstairs when I left and they
Speaker 3: gave me So here's how it kind of comes together,
Speaker 3: is I left that and they said welcome to the
Speaker 3: Italian family as they give me a T shirt that
Speaker 3: had that on there. And I still have said this day,
Speaker 3: but I missed in this hometown, and I don't know
Speaker 3: what I mean. I don't understand exactly why didn't exist,
Speaker 3: how they weren't harder on Grant, because the Italians don't
Speaker 3: just let things go like this. The dad doesn't naturally
Speaker 3: just say I love the guy. That's not a thing,
Speaker 3: it's not well.
Speaker 5: He did say, like I'm really concerned that you have
Speaker 5: through other girls here, and like I'm worried that you're
Speaker 5: gonna break her heart, which is you know, classic needs
Speaker 5: to say on a hometown. Yeah, you're right, It wasn't
Speaker 5: very intense. I was completely overwhelmed by the amount of
Speaker 5: people though, at this date and at let's SEEA's date,
Speaker 5: particularly this date, like when Juliana was rambling off how
Speaker 5: many people were going to be there. I would have
Speaker 5: been so intimidated if I were Grant, because I would
Speaker 5: like want to feel like I was having quality time
Speaker 5: with the immediate family that needs to know me the most.
Speaker 5: And in this case, like I don't really think he
Speaker 5: was gonna get like any really quality time or even
Speaker 5: its just gonna be like.
Speaker 2: Hellos, see can I mean this isn't about me?
Speaker 5: You would have felt more environment because well you were
Speaker 5: the bachelor, because so maybe in this bachelor scenario, this
Speaker 5: would actually make you feel more comfortable because you don't
Speaker 5: have to have the spotlight on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Nuch, you don't.
Speaker 3: I mean cayleb Quinn's day I remember was incredible. Remember
Speaker 3: where the hotel I stayed in, where we went, who
Speaker 3: are family was, Her family was awesome. But there was
Speaker 3: only a small group of us together all day and
Speaker 3: it was a lot of pressure because you are spending
Speaker 3: all day with the same people and you're in an
Speaker 3: environment where you can't you can be yourself, but you
Speaker 3: have to protect your you know, the conversations that are existing.
Speaker 3: I think when there's a lot of people, you can
Speaker 3: kind of let loose and let everybody else entertain themselves.
Speaker 3: It's like a party compared to a one on one.
Speaker 3: It's a group be compared to a one on one, okay,
Speaker 3: And so I think when it comes to the bachelor
Speaker 3: world specifically, the more people the easier on the lead,
Speaker 3: and I think in this environment, Grant I don't know
Speaker 3: if Grant was at that point. I can't speak for him,
Speaker 3: but it is easier to to not just be speaking
Speaker 3: to the mom and dad all.
Speaker 4: Day, okay.
Speaker 5: And I want to say that I did like the
Speaker 5: activity portion of this date where they went to make
Speaker 5: pizza and the guy truly eemed like authentic to knowing
Speaker 5: Juliana's and knowing the family, and then they went to
Speaker 5: the pastry shop, like it felt like something that we
Speaker 5: would do, like at my grandparents' house in Northern Jersey.
Speaker 4: It felt very familiar and authentic.
Speaker 3: I am going to say something that will probably be
Speaker 3: controversial to the listener, and it could be controversial to
Speaker 3: anybody as the bachelor, there was an element at these
Speaker 3: hometowns where you I specifically, I don't want to say
Speaker 3: that everybody did this, but I specifically paid attention to
Speaker 3: how people responded to the like the contestant that I
Speaker 3: was visiting. So how would the pizza shop maker respond,
Speaker 3: Where would they bring me in their hometown and who
Speaker 3: would know them there? And I think that a little
Speaker 3: bit of that is because I'm from a small town,
Speaker 3: so there's no place I go in WORSEU Indiana where
Speaker 3: I don't know somebody working at the place that I
Speaker 3: would bring a date, right, And I'm hoping that person
Speaker 3: either like gives me a hard time or they celebrate
Speaker 3: me or whatever. But at least they know me and
Speaker 3: they like feel comfortable with me, because what it said
Speaker 3: to me was they've invested into their community and to
Speaker 3: where they're from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, why why would this annoy anyone?
Speaker 3: Because I think everybody else within this episode didn't have that.
Speaker 3: She's the only one. Oh, yes, it was like everybody
Speaker 3: else felt very distant from the date that they were presenting.
Speaker 5: Yes, I thought this was the weirdest Hometown's episode because
Speaker 5: it felt like we were at nobody's hometown except for Joe's.
Speaker 3: That was why it would be controversial to listener, because
Speaker 3: I know there's elements that came into play to cause
Speaker 3: that to be the case, and those elements I don't think,
Speaker 3: and rightfully so, we don't understand any of them, Like
Speaker 3: we don't know the stories behind like why Zoe's like
Speaker 3: hometown was the way it was. We know bits and pieces,
Speaker 3: we just don't know the story. And that's fine. I'm
Speaker 3: not mad about that. That's that's her prerogative, that's her
Speaker 3: personal life.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 3: But it felt like this was the only real hometown
Speaker 3: that we got, yes to the point where it was like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, pore Grant. He had to go all
Speaker 3: over the country and like he didn't really end up
Speaker 3: having a hometown date with any of these girls except
Speaker 3: for Juliana. He ended up just meeting the family or
Speaker 3: you know, meeting the closest people to them.
Speaker 4: They could have flown as well. They wouldn't have flown
Speaker 4: those people out. They would have obviously fen were in there.
Speaker 5: But you know what I mean, Like the location didn't
Speaker 5: seem to play at all.
Speaker 3: There were locations never made since me now freaking Wyoming.
Speaker 3: My family's had a ranch in Wyoming for my whole life.
Speaker 3: You want to know how many airports there are to
Speaker 3: fly into in Wyoming? Not many, Like there's not He
Speaker 3: had to take a dry I don't know where he
Speaker 3: was coming from. He might have fallen into the Denver
Speaker 3: for that day and drove six hours. Maybe he got
Speaker 3: some private planes.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But anyways, my I guess the controversial statement I was
Speaker 3: trying to make is this out of all of them,
Speaker 3: felt like the only hometown that actually existed. All those
Speaker 3: others could have existed anywhere in the country.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you. I'm not going to heat
Speaker 4: or anything.
Speaker 5: I can tell you that, Like in my hometown, I
Speaker 5: could walk into like the deli and they're not.
Speaker 4: Going to know my name.
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that I'm not like, I don't feel
Speaker 5: like I'm from there. It's just different towns call for,
Speaker 5: you know, different relationships.
Speaker 2: But you were made for a smaller town, all right.
Speaker 3: So Juliana's day comes off and it's like, hey, she
Speaker 3: should be here next week. No questions to me. Now,
Speaker 3: was it the best hometown? Did it feel like everything
Speaker 3: happened how we thought it would know? But it was
Speaker 3: a great hometown. And I left that date feeling like,
Speaker 3: she's going to be here next week no matter what.
Speaker 3: So let's see who's not going to be here.
Speaker 4: She's going to be in the finale.
Speaker 5: I just feel like there's a huge discrepancy in this
Speaker 5: episode between the two in the finale presumably and the
Speaker 5: two that are not. And I just I still feel
Speaker 5: like I know that they were saying basically like I
Speaker 5: am falling in love with you I.
Speaker 4: Don't feel a huge connection between the two of them.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's I mean, if we're comparing based on this season, Ashley,
Speaker 3: it's it's up.
Speaker 2: There in terms of connections.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I know, I'm realizing that that is the
Speaker 5: problem to this season. I really don't feel a lot
Speaker 5: of intense depth.
Speaker 3: I have a theory and I'll share at the end. Okay,
Speaker 3: I know who's going to be there in the final two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like anybody watching knows. Okay, okay, okay, fair.
Speaker 3: Then let's take what we have is the preview, and
Speaker 3: obviously we know that Grant is so conflicted at the end.
Speaker 3: So if you and I are sitting here saying we
Speaker 3: know who the final two are going to be, then obviously,
Speaker 3: at the very end of this the final two that
Speaker 3: we believe is going to be there, and Mark gonna say, man,
Speaker 3: it will say it's the very end of this episode
Speaker 3: he is so confus that he's falling in love with
Speaker 3: both of them.
Speaker 4: No, I'm very confused by this.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll talk about it later. Let's move on to
Speaker 3: Zoe's hometown. Zoe was in both of our final fours.
Speaker 3: We've had belief in her since the very beginning. She's
Speaker 3: the only reason we can claim that our really baseless,
Speaker 3: assumption based show that happens at the beginning of every
Speaker 3: season has any merit because we both said Zoe will
Speaker 3: be there in the final four.
Speaker 2: We're right day, we're experts, we're right now. Zoe.
Speaker 3: To me and Grant, they I'm shocked that she is
Speaker 3: still here after this episode. It feels like they missed
Speaker 3: the mark on every level when it comes to communication, intimacy, physicality, community,
Speaker 3: Like it feels like they have no relationship to me.
Speaker 4: Absolut freaking lutely bad.
Speaker 2: Am I wrong?
Speaker 4: That's exactly how I feel, Ashley.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you feel this way with me, because
Speaker 2: I watch this again.
Speaker 4: You watched it twice.
Speaker 3: No, I've watched the whole No, I say, I'm watching
Speaker 3: the whole season, and I watched this episode because there's
Speaker 3: been this like character arc of Zoe that's untraditional to
Speaker 3: any other story that ever exists in the world. Right
Speaker 3: we have She's controversial, we feel like she's gonna be
Speaker 3: a villain, and then she's lovable, and then she has
Speaker 3: this connection with Grant and now she's like so we're
Speaker 3: coming into this episode with this connection with Grant, and
Speaker 3: we're loving on Zoe and we're like, we're so happy
Speaker 3: she's here. So I'm waiting for that kind of pinnacle
Speaker 3: moment for us to go of course, she's still here,
Speaker 3: Like there's no question she should still be here. And
Speaker 3: I watch this episode and I know her scenario is
Speaker 3: different because of her, like what's going on with her
Speaker 3: and her family right now and so many things we
Speaker 3: don't know, but yet we're kind of reading through the
Speaker 3: lines when we're knowing that there's some type of family
Speaker 3: issue where her adopted family isn't gonna be there, and
Speaker 3: that's great, that's fine, we understand that. So we're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna still focus on Grant and Zoe. And I
Speaker 3: watched this Ashley and I watched this whole day, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, they don't have anything.
Speaker 4: No, there's nothing there. And the fact that she chose
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 5: The whole like model shoot with the bride stuff we
Speaker 5: had like a wedding shoot, Oh my gosh, and for
Speaker 5: her to be so little chemistry during that was just like,
Speaker 5: this is so awkward. And I bet you it was
Speaker 5: even more awkward in real life because we know how
Speaker 5: the show can take like a fine moment and make
Speaker 5: it look really romantic.
Speaker 2: Put some music behind it.
Speaker 4: They couldn't even make this look natural.
Speaker 3: It was tough well and even some of the words
Speaker 3: she was saying to her sister, She said, what I
Speaker 3: love about Grant is he like, you know, I'm a
Speaker 3: hard working woman.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 3: I celebrate that you are a strong, hard working woman. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's the baseline. She says. He likes the creative side
Speaker 3: of me, and I think he likes the model side
Speaker 3: of me. He'll take it all like why are they
Speaker 3: two different things? You're one human? Like why do those
Speaker 3: have to be separated?
Speaker 5: Zoe?
Speaker 2: Like, you were.
Speaker 3: Both and that is beautiful and that is incredible and
Speaker 3: that is such a spectacular thing for you to have,
Speaker 3: is to be beautiful and creative and to be all
Speaker 3: these things at once. But it's like, when you say that,
Speaker 3: it makes me think that you're asking this dude to
Speaker 3: love two different people, and I think you're two different people.
Speaker 5: I didn't pick up on that, but I did pick
Speaker 5: up on her sister being like, so, like, how do
Speaker 5: you feel about him?
Speaker 4: You know, like are you falling in love with him?
Speaker 5: And she was like, I like him yeah, something along
Speaker 5: those lines, and I'm like, okay, like, why is going on?
Speaker 4: Just because you're both too hot people doesn't make this work.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 3: It feels like two hot people trying to make it work.
Speaker 3: I'm shocked she didn't go home. When I said the beginning,
Speaker 3: this is the most shocked.
Speaker 5: Really this, I was like, what is he talking about?
Speaker 2: She didn't go home. I thought for sure she would go.
Speaker 5: Home, really, even after seeing Dinas Because after seeing Dina's
Speaker 5: I was like, uh, they're tied. If not, Dina's was.
Speaker 2: Worse okay, because there was.
Speaker 5: Zero chemistry there too, and you could tell that he
Speaker 5: was just like I have to like talk to your
Speaker 5: friends and even pretend like this is like something that
Speaker 5: might go anywhere. He was super thrown off at the
Speaker 5: family not being around, which I can get. Again, it's
Speaker 5: kind of like, why did you send me here to
Speaker 5: just go to a pumpkin patch with your friends?
Speaker 4: Please come to la I don't know.
Speaker 2: But let's let's talk.
Speaker 5: About Latia's date first. Yeah, it's Wyoming, which again we
Speaker 5: get a brief and synopsis.
Speaker 3: Let's be clear though, it's amazing place, so windy, so beautiful,
Speaker 3: and what with.
Speaker 5: Becca Tilley once to the tea pause ts yees yea
Speaker 5: different part.
Speaker 2: Of the state, but yes, very beautiful place.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they like like to meet here at We
Speaker 5: don't know if it's this cabin or if they rented out.
Speaker 4: This felt like it could have been like a rented
Speaker 4: out cabin.
Speaker 5: It was so extraordinary and if not, then it's like, okay,
Speaker 5: so what's your family.
Speaker 4: Do you have this random, huge ass mansion?
Speaker 3: And you know, because she's talking about her grandma a
Speaker 3: lot who her grandma couldn't be there obviously.
Speaker 4: Well, her grandma has passed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I'm saying, I'm putting it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well that's what they kept saying, is you couldn't
Speaker 3: be there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For clearing that up, okay's gracious.
Speaker 5: So maybe the grandpa, you know, he's like he looks
Speaker 5: like a oil.
Speaker 2: It's oil.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say oil, but I was like, am
Speaker 4: I being weird for this.
Speaker 2: Oil Ashley?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: I was like, this feels like what was the show
Speaker 5: with with Larry Hagman Dallas Dallas to Move.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Like at some point this let's assume for
Speaker 3: the sake of this conversation that this is their family ranch,
Speaker 3: like this is their this is their fandy second home
Speaker 3: where they can go visit and have fun at and
Speaker 3: ride horses. Okay, a beautiful place, absolutely gorgeous. I love
Speaker 3: seeing because I love Wyoming, I do. I think it's
Speaker 3: one of the coolest places on earth. That's unlike that
Speaker 3: nobody lives at And how do.
Speaker 2: I see this?
Speaker 3: Is it just mired the like did she shine this episode?
Speaker 3: Like she just looked like she was glowing off the screen.
Speaker 5: Okay, let me tell you this. I think she's gotten
Speaker 5: prettier with each episode. The more you get to know
Speaker 5: our personality.
Speaker 2: Is that it is that what I'm feeling.
Speaker 5: Okayah, I feel like I'm getting You know how when
Speaker 5: you're attracted to someone and you get to know them,
Speaker 5: their personality rocks. Yeah, they get more attractive to you.
Speaker 5: This even applies to like front chips. You're like, you see,
Speaker 5: somebody's soul obviously is beautiful. They come across as more
Speaker 5: attractable on the outside. And that to her. That's happening
Speaker 5: to me with her.
Speaker 3: Okay, I felt it this episode. I've always thought she
Speaker 3: was a front runner, at least since we started watching
Speaker 3: the show, But this episode, I was like there's no question,
Speaker 3: Like there's something about her this episode that is jumping
Speaker 3: off the screen at me where it's like there's no
Speaker 3: like he has to.
Speaker 2: Fall in love with this girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's an incredible.
Speaker 2: Dynamic between the two of them.
Speaker 3: There is still the element of faith, and so that's
Speaker 3: the big storyline going into this.
Speaker 2: And he makes one.
Speaker 3: Of the most obscure statements at the beginning of this
Speaker 3: date that I've ever heard.
Speaker 5: Okay, he said that he was scared, and that she
Speaker 5: said he said, I'm not scared, and then it was
Speaker 5: like blah blah, blah blah, and then at the end
Speaker 5: he was like.
Speaker 4: Well I'm scared. It was like the biggest one.
Speaker 3: He says this statement, I'm still someone who sometimes likes
Speaker 3: to have a drink and.
Speaker 4: Have oh so fun, have fun. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And I was like, dude, wait time out, buddy. I
Speaker 3: think you've been great Grant. I think you would be
Speaker 3: a dude that'd be great to hang out with. I
Speaker 3: feel for you. I want you to find love so bad.
Speaker 3: Let's say that the fact that you at any level
Speaker 3: are questioning if people of Mormon's faith don't like to
Speaker 3: have fun, if that is a question to you. Somebody
Speaker 3: needs to like shake you right now and say, hey,
Speaker 3: Mormons can still have fun too, buddy, Like they still
Speaker 3: have a good time. Like you aren't giving you aren't
Speaker 3: giving this thing up, Like the fun factor doesn't change
Speaker 3: if you marry into this family.
Speaker 5: That is so funny that that rang in your ear
Speaker 5: because that was something that like I chewed over for
Speaker 5: a second as well. Yeah, I'm like, okay, So this
Speaker 5: is just him kind of indirectly.
Speaker 2: Saying I have no clue what's going on in this face. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: To me, it's like being having fun means like doing
Speaker 5: like sinful things like getting drunk and hooking up.
Speaker 3: Oh so he's going to old school like evangelical route
Speaker 3: where he's like sex, drugs, and alcohol are gonna be
Speaker 3: talked about every youth group in the same like funnel
Speaker 3: and those three things are gonna be associated together for
Speaker 3: the rest of your life. So if you are gonna
Speaker 3: do anything like sex, drugs, and alcohol, if you're gonna
Speaker 3: think about anybody inappropriately, if you're gonna drink any alcohol,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna do any drugs, then like that's what
Speaker 3: fun is.
Speaker 4: But is he wrong in the sense of the Mormon faith,
Speaker 4: like that stuff doesn't go on.
Speaker 5: Really, he's wrong. They don't drink at all, right, not traditionally. No,
Speaker 5: But I also don't think that drinking and fun are equated.
Speaker 5: Like I'm trying to have plenty of fun without drinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4: It's like sad to equate them.
Speaker 3: Yes, like not that you be shunned. And I think
Speaker 3: her family and we'll get to this did an incredible
Speaker 3: job at reassuring him that if he enters into the
Speaker 3: family without sharing the same faith tradition, he's still widely
Speaker 3: accepted and there's arms that are going to be thrown
Speaker 3: around him in love. So let's like preface it with that.
Speaker 3: But the fact that his mind goes to, wait, I
Speaker 3: still like to do these things at times, and that's
Speaker 3: what fun to me is, I think is the bigger
Speaker 3: question here.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah, I see that.
Speaker 2: I and I also just wish.
Speaker 3: I think the only thing I think of this day
Speaker 3: and the only criticism criticism I have of Grant within
Speaker 3: this day, and it could have still happened this show
Speaker 3: didn't maybe show it is I want him if this
Speaker 3: is a really like a concern of his if this
Speaker 3: is his, like, I want him to ask more questions
Speaker 3: about it, Like I want him to sit with the
Speaker 3: dad and be like, can you tell me more about
Speaker 3: like what it is that you guys practice, What would
Speaker 3: be important to you as I stepped into a relationship
Speaker 3: with your daughter on behaviors that I have and don't have.
Speaker 2: I think he would get.
Speaker 3: Some clarity and probably get some peace of mind on
Speaker 3: that he can still live his life in a way
Speaker 3: that he finds fun.
Speaker 2: Without you know, sacrificing the acceptance of the family.
Speaker 3: But that was a wild statement, and maybe it's just
Speaker 3: because like faith and religious practice is such an intrigue
Speaker 3: of mine. Is when he started by saying, you know,
Speaker 3: I have my concerns whatever, whatever, I still have some drinks.
Speaker 2: I still like to have a drink, and I like
Speaker 2: to have fun.
Speaker 3: And immediately the drink thing didn't affect me as much
Speaker 3: as the fun thing. And I'm like, you think Mormons
Speaker 3: don't have fun, Like, look at this family. Look at
Speaker 3: this freaking family. They love each other.
Speaker 4: When somebody says to me like, oh, I like to
Speaker 4: have a good time or I like to have fun,
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, who doesn't.
Speaker 5: That's my It's always been the way that I find
Speaker 5: people coded say I like to party, like I like
Speaker 5: to drink a lot and get a little rowdy, unless
Speaker 5: you're my.
Speaker 3: Wife, who never drinks, and her idea if I said, like,
Speaker 3: what do you think is fun, she would say, like
Speaker 3: going for a four mile run, coming home and.
Speaker 2: Watching a movie with my husband. Literally, that would be same.
Speaker 5: That's my fun, except for the run part, more of
Speaker 5: like eat on the TV with my husbands.
Speaker 4: But I think it's most people's coded way of saying like,
Speaker 4: I like to party.
Speaker 5: But anyway, I think it's interesting that you and I
Speaker 5: both held on to that line so much, and I
Speaker 5: wonder if they intended for that to cross people's minds
Speaker 5: or whether it's just like a throwaway concerned that he
Speaker 5: was just going to air out and like it's no
Speaker 5: big deal. I personally think that it was put in
Speaker 5: there for a reason.
Speaker 4: Because.
Speaker 5: My gut is telling me that this is going to
Speaker 5: be a bigger deal for him in the long run,
Speaker 5: and when it comes down to making his final decision,
Speaker 5: this is a huge factor in it. He's like, which
Speaker 5: lifestyle can I jive with more? Even though I may
Speaker 5: feel it more with that girl. I don't know if
Speaker 5: I could do this lifestyle. That's my guess.
Speaker 3: There's a few things that they come to mind here,
Speaker 3: and I do think this is worth spending some time on, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I think she's going to be a front runner.
Speaker 3: He said some things. Then this is why I wish
Speaker 3: Grant would ask more questions in the midst of this
Speaker 3: kind of conversation, because I think he's an intelligent dude.
Speaker 3: I don't know what he feels comfortable asking and not
Speaker 3: asking within this environment, and anybody I know that's Mormon
Speaker 3: would not mind having any questions asked. So I'm hoping
Speaker 3: at some point they kind of tell him you can
Speaker 3: ask anything you want about us, like every stereotype that
Speaker 3: you've heard from us, every confusing topic that you've tried
Speaker 3: to understand from us, Like, you can ask it and
Speaker 3: we'll answer it confidently because this is what we've decided
Speaker 3: to do. I'm hoping he gets that confidence to ask
Speaker 3: the questions that are necessary, because he says a few
Speaker 3: things that feel immature when it comes to.
Speaker 2: Religious studies.
Speaker 3: One is he says, hey, but we still have like
Speaker 3: the base faith the same thing, right, Yeah, that's cool,
Speaker 3: Like so we're good.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's true, Like.
Speaker 3: That isn't wrong, but like that's not the whole scenario, right,
Speaker 3: you have to ask more questions to understand what exactly
Speaker 3: that base faith looks like, because I want to know
Speaker 3: Grant from you, what is your base faith?
Speaker 2: So that's a big deal.
Speaker 5: His feels more like very general on the surface, and
Speaker 5: for her it couldn't be more Or is it bad
Speaker 5: to say the word niche?
Speaker 3: It's I think niche. I think niche. Well, no, I
Speaker 3: think niche and concentrated. There is a face system, So
Speaker 3: I think what you're saying is like there is a
Speaker 3: system in place that her family follows that is very
Speaker 3: specific in particular to.
Speaker 2: Why they believe what they believe.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're not going to be accepting of Grant,
Speaker 3: And I think he should have heard that during this
Speaker 3: whole family date, and I think that was very important
Speaker 3: for him to hear, is that, Hey, you can come
Speaker 3: into this thing man, like we're not asking you to convert.
Speaker 3: We're not asking to do anything more than love our
Speaker 3: daughter and help start this family that we so believe
Speaker 3: in and love. That's the baseline here.
Speaker 5: Can we just say how in interesting it would have
Speaker 5: been if he would have said, am I expected to
Speaker 5: convert if we're going to get married?
Speaker 2: I think it's really great question.
Speaker 3: I know, an amazing question for him asked is what
Speaker 3: are the expectations of me as a partner? Because the
Speaker 3: worst case scenario would be that he is surprised by
Speaker 3: this at some point in his life. He's just not
Speaker 3: asking the questions. And I do think it probably comes
Speaker 3: from a place of concern. Is what can I ask
Speaker 3: and not ask?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I think that's very fair. Like Faith has a
Speaker 3: lot of like you're fearful of. He kind of see
Speaker 3: it when the whole family comes up and he's like,
Speaker 3: all right, who.
Speaker 2: All here is related?
Speaker 5: He was definitely like is there possibly like multiple wives?
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like wanting to ask the questions.
Speaker 4: Do I have to have five kids?
Speaker 3: Like he should have just asked them to the father
Speaker 3: because the father was such a welcoming place and it
Speaker 3: felt like in that situation, anything that was on his mind,
Speaker 3: he could have asked, like, hey, I like got myself
Speaker 3: stuck there at the beginning when everybody come out to
Speaker 3: me and been like, who's all related here? That fine question,
Speaker 3: great question, But at some point he has to dig
Speaker 3: into it. At some point, he has to ask the
Speaker 3: questions that so many would probably be wondering outside of
Speaker 3: the faith, is is everybody.
Speaker 2: Here married to each other? Oh?
Speaker 3: No, that's not the case. Okay, cool, Like why have
Speaker 3: I heard that my whole life? And then somebody could
Speaker 3: explain it to him. Yeah, well, you know, like why
Speaker 3: is his family so big? Like that's the fun part
Speaker 3: also though, and I don't want to take this for granted,
Speaker 3: it's the fun part of like falling in love with
Speaker 3: somebody is you get to be be curious about their life.
Speaker 2: Listen, so maybe he'll ask it what he's more comfortable.
Speaker 5: We are also not maybe giving him the benefit of
Speaker 5: the doubt. Perhaps he asked this, he certainly was contemplating
Speaker 5: it and maybe felt like it wasn't even appropriate to
Speaker 5: talk about on TV mm hm, you know that's fair
Speaker 5: or maybe not on the first meeting, which I agree,
Speaker 5: like on the first meeting of a family you would
Speaker 5: never talk about things like that.
Speaker 4: This is just like a bachelor exception.
Speaker 3: And let's also give Grant some credit where I think
Speaker 3: we've see in the next day, which we'll move on
Speaker 3: to now.
Speaker 4: Except for can we talk about the grandpa moment.
Speaker 2: I love the grandpa.
Speaker 4: The grandpa was so which we established he's an oil typhoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've we know about him.
Speaker 4: He's so wealthy, he's so sweet.
Speaker 5: The way that she told him the secret of like
Speaker 5: that she was following for him and then he didn't
Speaker 5: hear it, and then she just whispered it again.
Speaker 4: It was just like the realist, cutest moment.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's the grandpa I want to be because
Speaker 3: his response to her wasn't oh my gosh, I'm so
Speaker 3: excited for you. He's like, I hope it's going to
Speaker 3: work out, and like there was a wisdom in every
Speaker 3: word he said to her, I wish your grandma could
Speaker 3: be here. I haven't seen you be this way with
Speaker 3: anybody else. There is these words that he was saying
Speaker 3: that came from deep thought and a man that has
Speaker 3: practiced thinking before he speaks, and you could tell that
Speaker 3: in the midst of that, she felt very comfortable talking
Speaker 3: to him about that.
Speaker 5: And how sweet was it when she said, like, you know,
Speaker 5: he's different than my dad was, the dad that passed
Speaker 5: away when she was three months old, just absolutely tragic,
Speaker 5: and he goes, yes, your father was so easy to love?
Speaker 4: So is to love? Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay, final thought on this date, and this is where
Speaker 3: my lack of religious knowledge comes in. The mom is
Speaker 3: in having a conversation. They talk about fantasy sweets, and
Speaker 3: she they talk about fantasy sweets, she says, if he's
Speaker 3: you know, intimate with anybody else, it would upset me,
Speaker 3: which I think we see is going to be a.
Speaker 2: Storyline for the next episode for sure.
Speaker 3: I felt like the mom handled this in a way
Speaker 3: that I did not expect by saying, have you actually
Speaker 3: thought through this? Are you willing to Like I don't
Speaker 3: know what her words were exactly, but it's like, pretty much,
Speaker 3: are you willing to give him the benefit of the
Speaker 3: doubt and open your mind to whatever happens in the
Speaker 3: fantasy suites because this is such a unique week now.
Speaker 3: That is that to me was a very interesting statement
Speaker 3: coming from a storyline where faith has been such a
Speaker 3: focus for the last two weeks, because it.
Speaker 5: Sounds like the mom would not necessarily encourage her to
Speaker 5: shut off if he's intimate with anybody else, exactly like
Speaker 5: if he was to be the mom wouldn't hold that
Speaker 5: against him necessarily.
Speaker 2: That's what I took from it.
Speaker 3: That's what I took from it, and I thought that
Speaker 3: was one and a healthy perspective from a parent. We
Speaker 3: don't hear that very often. So I was like, Mom,
Speaker 3: kudos to you. This is such a weird week, Like
Speaker 3: what an amazing like mindset you're giving your daughter. Not
Speaker 3: that he should be, I'm just saying that you're leaving
Speaker 3: her open to make decisions based on whatever happens this
Speaker 3: next week. But two, then I had to check it
Speaker 3: against the storyline that's been happening for the last two weeks,
Speaker 3: which is my family is are very very very faithful conservative,
Speaker 3: like foundationally like like practicing their faith. And I thought
Speaker 3: that was an incredible like mom moment where she sat
Speaker 3: with her daughter more as a friend, as like adult
Speaker 3: daughter to friend mom, and just poured wisdom into her
Speaker 3: instead of like momming her which I think is so
Speaker 3: common during these days and pressuring her to think one way.
Speaker 3: I thought her mom in that like, I wanted to
Speaker 3: lift her up and be like you, you've not only
Speaker 3: implemented this thought to your daughter's head to stay like open,
Speaker 3: but also you continue to pour under her where her
Speaker 3: values and traditions lie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, an incredible parenting moment that we can all learn from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, totally agree, Bravo, perfect words, Ben.
Speaker 2: There we go, all right.
Speaker 3: Final hometown of this week was one that fell completely
Speaker 3: short and obviously left with somebody going home. Didn't expect
Speaker 3: her to go home this week, especially after the Zoe date.
Speaker 3: As I said, Zoe is very very much now at
Speaker 3: this point in Category three. To me, I think there's
Speaker 3: no question that when it comes to the finale episode,
Speaker 3: we're going to know who the File two are. If
Speaker 3: it's not, I'll be shocked. But this date is still
Speaker 3: something to talk about because that happened this week.
Speaker 2: The family is not for this bachelor situation. Ashley.
Speaker 3: I'm going to make a personal statement on this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that again will probably ruffle feathers.
Speaker 2: I think I.
Speaker 3: Think there's nothing about I think there's nothing good about parenting.
Speaker 3: When your child chooses to do something and they've entered
Speaker 3: into it to where you say I'm not going to
Speaker 3: support it. I think there's only one way that goes,
Speaker 3: and that is the child feeling like they're unsupported, which
Speaker 3: is how she felt this episode. Yeah, no matter if
Speaker 3: you like it or not, even if Grant has to
Speaker 3: show up to your house. And you're like, I don't
Speaker 3: like the fact that you're dating all these other women.
Speaker 3: I don't like the fact that my daughter won on
Speaker 3: the show. I don't like the fact that she's even
Speaker 3: here with you. I think that's a better scenario, yeah,
Speaker 3: than what existed during this episode totally.
Speaker 5: You can sense that, even though she's very confident in
Speaker 5: her delivery all the time, like this made her feel
Speaker 5: like a little bit embarrassed and then it's just going
Speaker 5: to brush off really quickly.
Speaker 4: I would have at least wished that some of the
Speaker 4: siblings she has eleven siblings, and you're telling me that
Speaker 4: eleven of them were like, no, we're gonna side with
Speaker 4: mom and dad on this. That makes me.
Speaker 5: Sad, That makes you do makes me feel like she
Speaker 5: is like alone in this, and it makes me really
Speaker 5: wonder her decision to go on the show.
Speaker 4: She had to have known that her family was so
Speaker 4: against it.
Speaker 3: Well that's the big question, right, So at some point
Speaker 3: this conversation had to have existed between them, and she
Speaker 3: chose to still go on the show even without anybody's support.
Speaker 2: That's one red flag. I would say.
Speaker 3: The second red flag is that, yeah, eleven siblings and
Speaker 3: like nobody else wanted to show up to support her.
Speaker 2: I think that's not a good move. I'm confused by
Speaker 2: this whole situation.
Speaker 3: And it felt like it was confusing to her too,
Speaker 3: And it did bring insecurity into her, especially when all
Speaker 3: the other women are talking about their dates and she's
Speaker 3: in there being like, I'm the only one. They didn't
Speaker 3: have anybody. I had my friends and I went to
Speaker 3: a pumpkin patch. Yeah, and I tried to make the
Speaker 3: best of a really bad situation.
Speaker 5: Dina, if you're listening this, I mean this to make
Speaker 5: you feel better. You were going to get eliminated either way.
Speaker 2: I think she sees that now, No, you're right, do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like if your family did show up, Like, I still
Speaker 5: think you were going to get eliminated, and maybe you've
Speaker 5: been a toss up between you and Zoe, but like
Speaker 5: you were making the top two.
Speaker 4: What made me feel really awkward about this?
Speaker 5: And I know this is maybe tomb but like it's
Speaker 5: a hometown episode, right, so you kind of think that
Speaker 5: you're gonna do what you would do in your hometown,
Speaker 5: show in places that mean something to you. The fact
Speaker 5: that they went to the pumpkin patch on top of
Speaker 5: her family not being involved made me feel really even
Speaker 5: further disconnected to this being a hometown because they went
Speaker 5: to something seasonal that she didn't even make it seem
Speaker 5: like there was any connection to it, especially since it
Speaker 5: said it was a jack o lantern pop up, so
Speaker 5: it's not even there all the time.
Speaker 4: This is not even like a tradition of hers during
Speaker 4: the fall.
Speaker 3: Well you heard it, it happened late. I'm guessing the
Speaker 3: show like on the way they heard that the family
Speaker 3: actually wasn't going to do this, and they're like.
Speaker 2: What do we do now?
Speaker 3: Okay, who has five hundred pumpkins that week? And by
Speaker 3: put up a sign invite the friends, let's figure something out.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: It did feel disconnecting.
Speaker 3: I think with your word's there actually like if she
Speaker 3: heard this, it's not not true, and I think she
Speaker 3: sees it now, right, So, yeah, she wasn't going to
Speaker 3: win this thing. It's good that she went home this week.
Speaker 3: There's no issues with her now. He loved the idea
Speaker 3: of Dina. He was like, I love her passion and
Speaker 3: her like drive.
Speaker 5: It's like very attractive, but like he didn't feel romance
Speaker 5: toward her.
Speaker 3: No, But it was a weird date. It was a
Speaker 3: date that felt unnecessary. She could have said, Hey, Grant,
Speaker 3: how about this, I'll fly to you. How about you
Speaker 3: and I have a day together, and I'll introduce you
Speaker 3: to five of my closest friends in the city that
Speaker 3: we're going to fly to. This felt unnecessary, and it
Speaker 3: felt very much like the producers were thrown off guard
Speaker 3: at the very end and they had to figure this out.
Speaker 5: And then my last comment is that this is also
Speaker 5: maybe ridiculous, but like if it didn't happen at a
Speaker 5: pumpkin patch and it happened at a bar that they
Speaker 5: go too often, I would at least felt like that
Speaker 5: was home here.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: Well, at least they could have drinks. The rest of
Speaker 3: this episode exists with Joey and Grant sitting down. Not
Speaker 3: a lot that comes from that, other than Joey giving
Speaker 3: him some sound advice on how to process the next
Speaker 3: steps in this relationship. Then we do see the girls
Speaker 3: catching up and Dina feeling at that point like she's
Speaker 3: the only one who didn't give Grant a true hometown. Well,
Speaker 3: Dina ends up going home at the end of this episode,
Speaker 3: left with Litia, Juliana, and Zoe moving into the Fantasy
Speaker 3: suite week, Ashley, you and I would both agree that
Speaker 3: this is a two horse race, right, you're up. It's
Speaker 3: Litia is Juliana, and we're gonna figure out who wins
Speaker 3: at the end.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 5: Like, we say that with such confidence and we're not spoiled. No,
Speaker 5: and guess what's happening next week, guys, because this, as
Speaker 5: we said last week, this season is two weeks shorter
Speaker 5: than a typical Bachelor season. But guess what we get
Speaker 5: next week? Women tell all because we needed to put
Speaker 5: that there.
Speaker 2: It was it was so necessary.
Speaker 4: It was way more imperative than Grant having another week
Speaker 4: of dates.
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 4: It's so weird. I know it's cheaper for them, but whatever,
Speaker 4: we don't need it.
Speaker 5: We absolutely do not need two hours of a non
Speaker 5: really not that dramatic season being recapped and squawked at.
Speaker 2: But we'll watch it. We're gonna break it down right here.
Speaker 2: It's almost fantasy.
Speaker 5: We will be here, you know we will. We don't
Speaker 5: love that one, but we're gonna be here. And I
Speaker 5: guess that's it for this episode. We appreciate you guys
Speaker 5: listening to us every week until next time I've been Ashley.
Speaker 2: And I've been Ben. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 4: Bye.
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