1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast. 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 3: We were here breaking down Grant's season of The Bachelor. 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 3: Now we are at hometown's this week. There's so much 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 3: to talk about, Ashley. I'm going to start out the 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 3: podcast with saying this, it is one of the most 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 3: shocking exits of the season. Now, before we get to that, 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 3: let's break down the episode. 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: Are you ready? Yes, we have Juliana's date for the 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: first date. 12 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 3: It's in Newton, Massachusetts, East Coast, something you're familiar with. 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 4: I like the vibe, very familiar vibe. 14 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 5: I like the North End. Well, I guess it was 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 5: the little Italy in her town, but you know Boston's 16 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 5: North End, and. 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 4: I just don't. I don't know. How do you feel 18 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 4: about this? 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 5: Because I know Juliana is the frontrunner, but overall I 20 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 5: love her date, still wanting more. There's only one person 21 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 5: in this competition that I feel real connection with. 22 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: I loved her date. 23 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 4: Actually date part was good. 24 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I put it at number two as the 25 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: hometowns for the week, Yeah, confidently at number two. 26 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 27 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: I loved her family. I loved her dad. 28 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: Now dad, granted, I married into an Italian family, so 29 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 3: there is a level here where I just watched this 30 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: and felt I did feel like there was missing something, 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: because what I love it about Italian family is this, 32 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 3: they are un apologetically almost rude and not like they're 33 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: loving when you're inside of it. When you're inside of 34 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: that circle, you feel like you have the most love 35 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: in the world. When you're on the outside looking in, 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 3: especially on a first date, they're almost mean to you, 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: and that's okay once you understand what they're getting at. 38 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: And I wish they would have been a little meaner 39 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: to Grant, and I don't know why they weren't, because 40 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: I know they wanted. 41 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 5: To be that teaser that they had last week where 42 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 5: that you caught the dad's saying you're kissing. 43 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 4: My daughter in front of me or whatever did. 44 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 5: Seem so scary in the previews and such like a 45 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 5: jokester moment in real life, which was cute. 46 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 4: I like that moment. It was my Probably my favorite 47 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 4: moment was the day. 48 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 5: That and when the dad said I love him, I 49 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 5: love the guy like that. 50 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 4: Was really must have made Juliana feel really good. 51 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: It had to him. 52 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 3: I just I've been around Italians like one hundred percent Italians. 53 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: So when I first met Jess's family, her aunts, they 54 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: sat me at a table and they sat across from me, 55 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: and I was on one side of the table and 56 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 3: they drilled me and they said, we like you Ben enough, 57 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: but if you hurt Jess, we will hurt you. That 58 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 3: was how they opened my very first time ever meeting them. 59 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: And I remember leaving that being like, I don't know 60 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: what they meant, and I had to get it explain 61 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: to me because I've never been around. 62 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 4: That the mob was going after you. 63 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: I think they could have called upon him. 64 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 5: Okay, Can I just say that Jess doesn't strike me 65 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 5: as like uber Italian in any way. 66 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, She's like this sweet southern bell to me. 67 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 5: She does not register Italian, big Italian Northeast. 68 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, she doesn't feel comfortable in those, but she lets 69 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: her ants do what they want to do, right so 70 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: they she knows that they have an element to them 71 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: that she doesn't have, and I think she trusts it. 72 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: And I think when somebody like me walks in where 73 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: Jess is like I think I'm gonna marry this guy, 74 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: She's like he needs to be able to handle this. 75 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: I have a shirt upstairs when I left and they 76 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: gave me So here's how it kind of comes together, 77 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: is I left that and they said welcome to the 78 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: Italian family as they give me a T shirt that 79 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: had that on there. And I still have said this day, 80 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: but I missed in this hometown, and I don't know 81 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: what I mean. I don't understand exactly why didn't exist, 82 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: how they weren't harder on Grant, because the Italians don't 83 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: just let things go like this. The dad doesn't naturally 84 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: just say I love the guy. That's not a thing, 85 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: it's not well. 86 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 5: He did say, like I'm really concerned that you have 87 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 5: through other girls here, and like I'm worried that you're 88 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 5: gonna break her heart, which is you know, classic needs 89 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 5: to say on a hometown. Yeah, you're right, It wasn't 90 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 5: very intense. I was completely overwhelmed by the amount of 91 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 5: people though, at this date and at let's SEEA's date, 92 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 5: particularly this date, like when Juliana was rambling off how 93 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 5: many people were going to be there. I would have 94 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 5: been so intimidated if I were Grant, because I would 95 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 5: like want to feel like I was having quality time 96 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 5: with the immediate family that needs to know me the most. 97 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 5: And in this case, like I don't really think he 98 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 5: was gonna get like any really quality time or even 99 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 5: its just gonna be like. 100 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: Hellos, see can I mean this isn't about me? 101 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 5: You would have felt more environment because well you were 102 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 5: the bachelor, because so maybe in this bachelor scenario, this 103 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 5: would actually make you feel more comfortable because you don't 104 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 5: have to have the spotlight on YouTube. 105 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: Nuch, you don't. 106 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: I mean cayleb Quinn's day I remember was incredible. Remember 107 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: where the hotel I stayed in, where we went, who 108 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: are family was, Her family was awesome. But there was 109 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: only a small group of us together all day and 110 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: it was a lot of pressure because you are spending 111 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 3: all day with the same people and you're in an 112 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: environment where you can't you can be yourself, but you 113 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: have to protect your you know, the conversations that are existing. 114 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: I think when there's a lot of people, you can 115 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: kind of let loose and let everybody else entertain themselves. 116 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: It's like a party compared to a one on one. 117 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: It's a group be compared to a one on one, okay, 118 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: And so I think when it comes to the bachelor 119 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 3: world specifically, the more people the easier on the lead, 120 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: and I think in this environment, Grant I don't know 121 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: if Grant was at that point. I can't speak for him, 122 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: but it is easier to to not just be speaking 123 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: to the mom and dad all. 124 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: Day, okay. 125 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 5: And I want to say that I did like the 126 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 5: activity portion of this date where they went to make 127 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 5: pizza and the guy truly eemed like authentic to knowing 128 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 5: Juliana's and knowing the family, and then they went to 129 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 5: the pastry shop, like it felt like something that we 130 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 5: would do, like at my grandparents' house in Northern Jersey. 131 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 4: It felt very familiar and authentic. 132 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 3: I am going to say something that will probably be 133 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: controversial to the listener, and it could be controversial to 134 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: anybody as the bachelor, there was an element at these 135 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: hometowns where you I specifically, I don't want to say 136 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 3: that everybody did this, but I specifically paid attention to 137 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: how people responded to the like the contestant that I 138 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: was visiting. So how would the pizza shop maker respond, 139 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: Where would they bring me in their hometown and who 140 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: would know them there? And I think that a little 141 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: bit of that is because I'm from a small town, 142 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: so there's no place I go in WORSEU Indiana where 143 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: I don't know somebody working at the place that I 144 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: would bring a date, right, And I'm hoping that person 145 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: either like gives me a hard time or they celebrate 146 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: me or whatever. But at least they know me and 147 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: they like feel comfortable with me, because what it said 148 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: to me was they've invested into their community and to 149 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: where they're from. 150 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, why why would this annoy anyone? 151 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: Because I think everybody else within this episode didn't have that. 152 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: She's the only one. Oh, yes, it was like everybody 153 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: else felt very distant from the date that they were presenting. 154 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 5: Yes, I thought this was the weirdest Hometown's episode because 155 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 5: it felt like we were at nobody's hometown except for Joe's. 156 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: That was why it would be controversial to listener, because 157 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: I know there's elements that came into play to cause 158 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: that to be the case, and those elements I don't think, 159 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: and rightfully so, we don't understand any of them, Like 160 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: we don't know the stories behind like why Zoe's like 161 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: hometown was the way it was. We know bits and pieces, 162 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: we just don't know the story. And that's fine. I'm 163 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: not mad about that. That's that's her prerogative, that's her 164 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: personal life. 165 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: That's cool. 166 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: But it felt like this was the only real hometown 167 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: that we got, yes to the point where it was like, 168 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, pore Grant. He had to go all 169 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: over the country and like he didn't really end up 170 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: having a hometown date with any of these girls except 171 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: for Juliana. He ended up just meeting the family or 172 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: you know, meeting the closest people to them. 173 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: They could have flown as well. They wouldn't have flown 174 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 4: those people out. They would have obviously fen were in there. 175 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 5: But you know what I mean, Like the location didn't 176 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 5: seem to play at all. 177 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 3: There were locations never made since me now freaking Wyoming. 178 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: My family's had a ranch in Wyoming for my whole life. 179 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: You want to know how many airports there are to 180 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 3: fly into in Wyoming? Not many, Like there's not He 181 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 3: had to take a dry I don't know where he 182 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: was coming from. He might have fallen into the Denver 183 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: for that day and drove six hours. Maybe he got 184 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 3: some private planes. 185 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. 186 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: But anyways, my I guess the controversial statement I was 187 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 3: trying to make is this out of all of them, 188 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: felt like the only hometown that actually existed. All those 189 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: others could have existed anywhere in the country. 190 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you. I'm not going to heat 191 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: or anything. 192 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 5: I can tell you that, Like in my hometown, I 193 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 5: could walk into like the deli and they're not. 194 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 4: Going to know my name. 195 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that I'm not like, I don't feel 196 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 5: like I'm from there. It's just different towns call for, 197 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 5: you know, different relationships. 198 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: But you were made for a smaller town, all right. 199 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: So Juliana's day comes off and it's like, hey, she 200 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: should be here next week. No questions to me. Now, 201 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: was it the best hometown? Did it feel like everything 202 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: happened how we thought it would know? But it was 203 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: a great hometown. And I left that date feeling like, 204 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: she's going to be here next week no matter what. 205 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 3: So let's see who's not going to be here. 206 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 4: She's going to be in the finale. 207 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 5: I just feel like there's a huge discrepancy in this 208 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 5: episode between the two in the finale presumably and the 209 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 5: two that are not. And I just I still feel 210 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 5: like I know that they were saying basically like I 211 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 5: am falling in love with you I. 212 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 4: Don't feel a huge connection between the two of them. 213 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: Uh, it's I mean, if we're comparing based on this season, Ashley, 214 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: it's it's up. 215 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: There in terms of connections. 216 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I know, I'm realizing that that is the 217 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 5: problem to this season. I really don't feel a lot 218 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 5: of intense depth. 219 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: I have a theory and I'll share at the end. Okay, 220 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: I know who's going to be there in the final two. 221 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like anybody watching knows. Okay, okay, okay, fair. 222 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: Then let's take what we have is the preview, and 223 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: obviously we know that Grant is so conflicted at the end. 224 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: So if you and I are sitting here saying we 225 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: know who the final two are going to be, then obviously, 226 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: at the very end of this the final two that 227 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: we believe is going to be there, and Mark gonna say, man, 228 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: it will say it's the very end of this episode 229 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 3: he is so confus that he's falling in love with 230 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: both of them. 231 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 4: No, I'm very confused by this. 232 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: Okay, we'll talk about it later. Let's move on to 233 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: Zoe's hometown. Zoe was in both of our final fours. 234 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: We've had belief in her since the very beginning. She's 235 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: the only reason we can claim that our really baseless, 236 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: assumption based show that happens at the beginning of every 237 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: season has any merit because we both said Zoe will 238 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 3: be there in the final four. 239 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: We're right day, we're experts, we're right now. Zoe. 240 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: To me and Grant, they I'm shocked that she is 241 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: still here after this episode. It feels like they missed 242 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: the mark on every level when it comes to communication, intimacy, physicality, community, 243 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: Like it feels like they have no relationship to me. 244 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 4: Absolut freaking lutely bad. 245 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: Am I wrong? 246 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: That's exactly how I feel, Ashley. 247 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 2: I'm glad that you feel this way with me, because 248 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: I watch this again. 249 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 4: You watched it twice. 250 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: No, I've watched the whole No, I say, I'm watching 251 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: the whole season, and I watched this episode because there's 252 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: been this like character arc of Zoe that's untraditional to 253 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: any other story that ever exists in the world. Right 254 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 3: we have She's controversial, we feel like she's gonna be 255 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: a villain, and then she's lovable, and then she has 256 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: this connection with Grant and now she's like so we're 257 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: coming into this episode with this connection with Grant, and 258 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: we're loving on Zoe and we're like, we're so happy 259 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: she's here. So I'm waiting for that kind of pinnacle 260 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: moment for us to go of course, she's still here, 261 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: Like there's no question she should still be here. And 262 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: I watch this episode and I know her scenario is 263 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: different because of her, like what's going on with her 264 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: and her family right now and so many things we 265 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: don't know, but yet we're kind of reading through the 266 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: lines when we're knowing that there's some type of family 267 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: issue where her adopted family isn't gonna be there, and 268 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: that's great, that's fine, we understand that. So we're like, Okay, 269 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 3: we're gonna still focus on Grant and Zoe. And I 270 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: watched this Ashley and I watched this whole day, and 271 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, they don't have anything. 272 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 4: No, there's nothing there. And the fact that she chose 273 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 4: to do. 274 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 5: The whole like model shoot with the bride stuff we 275 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 5: had like a wedding shoot, Oh my gosh, and for 276 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 5: her to be so little chemistry during that was just like, 277 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 5: this is so awkward. And I bet you it was 278 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 5: even more awkward in real life because we know how 279 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 5: the show can take like a fine moment and make 280 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 5: it look really romantic. 281 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 2: Put some music behind it. 282 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,239 Speaker 4: They couldn't even make this look natural. 283 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: It was tough well and even some of the words 284 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: she was saying to her sister, She said, what I 285 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: love about Grant is he like, you know, I'm a 286 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: hard working woman. 287 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: Great. 288 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: I celebrate that you are a strong, hard working woman. Okay, 289 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: that's the baseline. She says. He likes the creative side 290 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: of me, and I think he likes the model side 291 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: of me. He'll take it all like why are they 292 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 3: two different things? You're one human? Like why do those 293 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: have to be separated? 294 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 5: Zoe? 295 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: Like, you were. 296 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: Both and that is beautiful and that is incredible and 297 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: that is such a spectacular thing for you to have, 298 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: is to be beautiful and creative and to be all 299 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: these things at once. But it's like, when you say that, 300 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: it makes me think that you're asking this dude to 301 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: love two different people, and I think you're two different people. 302 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 5: I didn't pick up on that, but I did pick 303 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 5: up on her sister being like, so, like, how do 304 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 5: you feel about him? 305 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: You know, like are you falling in love with him? 306 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 5: And she was like, I like him yeah, something along 307 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 5: those lines, and I'm like, okay, like, why is going on? 308 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 4: Just because you're both too hot people doesn't make this work. 309 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: It's not. 310 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: It feels like two hot people trying to make it work. 311 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: I'm shocked she didn't go home. When I said the beginning, 312 00:14:59,200 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: this is the most shocked. 313 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 5: Really this, I was like, what is he talking about? 314 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: She didn't go home. I thought for sure she would go. 315 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 5: Home, really, even after seeing Dinas Because after seeing Dina's 316 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 5: I was like, uh, they're tied. If not, Dina's was. 317 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: Worse okay, because there was. 318 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 5: Zero chemistry there too, and you could tell that he 319 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 5: was just like I have to like talk to your 320 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 5: friends and even pretend like this is like something that 321 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 5: might go anywhere. He was super thrown off at the 322 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 5: family not being around, which I can get. Again, it's 323 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 5: kind of like, why did you send me here to 324 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 5: just go to a pumpkin patch with your friends? 325 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: Please come to la I don't know. 326 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: But let's let's talk. 327 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 5: About Latia's date first. Yeah, it's Wyoming, which again we 328 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 5: get a brief and synopsis. 329 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: Let's be clear though, it's amazing place, so windy, so beautiful, 330 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 3: and what with. 331 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 5: Becca Tilley once to the tea pause ts yees yea 332 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 5: different part. 333 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: Of the state, but yes, very beautiful place. 334 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, so they like like to meet here at We 335 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 5: don't know if it's this cabin or if they rented out. 336 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 4: This felt like it could have been like a rented 337 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 4: out cabin. 338 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 5: It was so extraordinary and if not, then it's like, okay, 339 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 5: so what's your family. 340 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 4: Do you have this random, huge ass mansion? 341 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 3: And you know, because she's talking about her grandma a 342 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: lot who her grandma couldn't be there obviously. 343 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 4: Well, her grandma has passed. 344 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I'm saying, I'm putting it. 345 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 3: Okay, Well that's what they kept saying, is you couldn't 346 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: be there. 347 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 348 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: For clearing that up, okay's gracious. 349 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 5: So maybe the grandpa, you know, he's like he looks 350 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 5: like a oil. 351 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: It's oil. 352 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 4: I was gonna say oil, but I was like, am 353 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 4: I being weird for this. 354 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: Oil Ashley? 355 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 4: Okay? 356 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 5: I was like, this feels like what was the show 357 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 5: with with Larry Hagman Dallas Dallas to Move. 358 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 359 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Like at some point this let's assume for 360 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 3: the sake of this conversation that this is their family ranch, 361 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: like this is their this is their fandy second home 362 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: where they can go visit and have fun at and 363 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: ride horses. Okay, a beautiful place, absolutely gorgeous. I love 364 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: seeing because I love Wyoming, I do. I think it's 365 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: one of the coolest places on earth. That's unlike that 366 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 3: nobody lives at And how do. 367 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: I see this? 368 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: Is it just mired the like did she shine this episode? 369 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: Like she just looked like she was glowing off the screen. 370 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 5: Okay, let me tell you this. I think she's gotten 371 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 5: prettier with each episode. The more you get to know 372 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 5: our personality. 373 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: Is that it is that what I'm feeling. 374 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 5: Okayah, I feel like I'm getting You know how when 375 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 5: you're attracted to someone and you get to know them, 376 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 5: their personality rocks. Yeah, they get more attractive to you. 377 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 5: This even applies to like front chips. You're like, you see, 378 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 5: somebody's soul obviously is beautiful. They come across as more 379 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 5: attractable on the outside. And that to her. That's happening 380 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 5: to me with her. 381 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: Okay, I felt it this episode. I've always thought she 382 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: was a front runner, at least since we started watching 383 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 3: the show, But this episode, I was like there's no question, 384 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: Like there's something about her this episode that is jumping 385 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: off the screen at me where it's like there's no 386 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: like he has to. 387 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: Fall in love with this girl. 388 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's an incredible. 389 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: Dynamic between the two of them. 390 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 3: There is still the element of faith, and so that's 391 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: the big storyline going into this. 392 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 2: And he makes one. 393 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: Of the most obscure statements at the beginning of this 394 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: date that I've ever heard. 395 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 5: Okay, he said that he was scared, and that she 396 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 5: said he said, I'm not scared, and then it was 397 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 5: like blah blah, blah blah, and then at the end 398 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 5: he was like. 399 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 4: Well I'm scared. It was like the biggest one. 400 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: He says this statement, I'm still someone who sometimes likes 401 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: to have a drink and. 402 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 4: Have oh so fun, have fun. Oh my god. 403 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 3: And I was like, dude, wait time out, buddy. I 404 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 3: think you've been great Grant. I think you would be 405 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: a dude that'd be great to hang out with. I 406 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 3: feel for you. I want you to find love so bad. 407 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 3: Let's say that the fact that you at any level 408 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 3: are questioning if people of Mormon's faith don't like to 409 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: have fun, if that is a question to you. Somebody 410 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 3: needs to like shake you right now and say, hey, 411 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: Mormons can still have fun too, buddy, Like they still 412 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: have a good time. Like you aren't giving you aren't 413 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: giving this thing up, Like the fun factor doesn't change 414 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: if you marry into this family. 415 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 5: That is so funny that that rang in your ear 416 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 5: because that was something that like I chewed over for 417 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 5: a second as well. Yeah, I'm like, okay, So this 418 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 5: is just him kind of indirectly. 419 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: Saying I have no clue what's going on in this face. No, no, no, no. 420 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 5: To me, it's like being having fun means like doing 421 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 5: like sinful things like getting drunk and hooking up. 422 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 3: Oh so he's going to old school like evangelical route 423 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 3: where he's like sex, drugs, and alcohol are gonna be 424 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 3: talked about every youth group in the same like funnel 425 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: and those three things are gonna be associated together for 426 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 3: the rest of your life. So if you are gonna 427 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 3: do anything like sex, drugs, and alcohol, if you're gonna 428 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 3: think about anybody inappropriately, if you're gonna drink any alcohol, 429 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: if you're gonna do any drugs, then like that's what 430 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: fun is. 431 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 4: But is he wrong in the sense of the Mormon faith, 432 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 4: like that stuff doesn't go on. 433 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 5: Really, he's wrong. They don't drink at all, right, not traditionally. No, 434 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 5: But I also don't think that drinking and fun are equated. 435 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 5: Like I'm trying to have plenty of fun without drinking. 436 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. 437 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 4: It's like sad to equate them. 438 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: Yes, like not that you be shunned. And I think 439 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 3: her family and we'll get to this did an incredible 440 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 3: job at reassuring him that if he enters into the 441 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: family without sharing the same faith tradition, he's still widely 442 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 3: accepted and there's arms that are going to be thrown 443 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 3: around him in love. So let's like preface it with that. 444 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: But the fact that his mind goes to, wait, I 445 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: still like to do these things at times, and that's 446 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: what fun to me is, I think is the bigger 447 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 3: question here. 448 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah, I see that. 449 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 2: I and I also just wish. 450 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 3: I think the only thing I think of this day 451 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: and the only criticism criticism I have of Grant within 452 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: this day, and it could have still happened this show 453 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: didn't maybe show it is I want him if this 454 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 3: is a really like a concern of his if this 455 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 3: is his, like, I want him to ask more questions 456 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: about it, Like I want him to sit with the 457 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 3: dad and be like, can you tell me more about 458 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: like what it is that you guys practice, What would 459 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: be important to you as I stepped into a relationship 460 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: with your daughter on behaviors that I have and don't have. 461 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: I think he would get. 462 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 3: Some clarity and probably get some peace of mind on 463 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 3: that he can still live his life in a way 464 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 3: that he finds fun. 465 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: Without you know, sacrificing the acceptance of the family. 466 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 3: But that was a wild statement, and maybe it's just 467 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 3: because like faith and religious practice is such an intrigue 468 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 3: of mine. Is when he started by saying, you know, 469 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: I have my concerns whatever, whatever, I still have some drinks. 470 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: I still like to have a drink, and I like 471 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: to have fun. 472 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 3: And immediately the drink thing didn't affect me as much 473 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 3: as the fun thing. And I'm like, you think Mormons 474 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: don't have fun, Like, look at this family. Look at 475 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: this freaking family. They love each other. 476 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 4: When somebody says to me like, oh, I like to 477 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 4: have a good time or I like to have fun, 478 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, who doesn't. 479 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 5: That's my It's always been the way that I find 480 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 5: people coded say I like to party, like I like 481 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 5: to drink a lot and get a little rowdy, unless 482 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 5: you're my. 483 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: Wife, who never drinks, and her idea if I said, like, 484 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: what do you think is fun, she would say, like 485 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: going for a four mile run, coming home and. 486 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: Watching a movie with my husband. Literally, that would be same. 487 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 5: That's my fun, except for the run part, more of 488 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 5: like eat on the TV with my husbands. 489 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: But I think it's most people's coded way of saying like, 490 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 4: I like to party. 491 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 5: But anyway, I think it's interesting that you and I 492 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 5: both held on to that line so much, and I 493 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 5: wonder if they intended for that to cross people's minds 494 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 5: or whether it's just like a throwaway concerned that he 495 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 5: was just going to air out and like it's no 496 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 5: big deal. I personally think that it was put in 497 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 5: there for a reason. 498 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 4: Because. 499 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 5: My gut is telling me that this is going to 500 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 5: be a bigger deal for him in the long run, 501 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 5: and when it comes down to making his final decision, 502 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 5: this is a huge factor in it. He's like, which 503 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 5: lifestyle can I jive with more? Even though I may 504 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 5: feel it more with that girl. I don't know if 505 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 5: I could do this lifestyle. That's my guess. 506 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: There's a few things that they come to mind here, 507 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 3: and I do think this is worth spending some time on, Yeah, 508 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: because I think she's going to be a front runner. 509 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: He said some things. Then this is why I wish 510 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 3: Grant would ask more questions in the midst of this 511 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 3: kind of conversation, because I think he's an intelligent dude. 512 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 3: I don't know what he feels comfortable asking and not 513 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 3: asking within this environment, and anybody I know that's Mormon 514 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 3: would not mind having any questions asked. So I'm hoping 515 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: at some point they kind of tell him you can 516 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 3: ask anything you want about us, like every stereotype that 517 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 3: you've heard from us, every confusing topic that you've tried 518 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 3: to understand from us, Like, you can ask it and 519 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: we'll answer it confidently because this is what we've decided 520 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: to do. I'm hoping he gets that confidence to ask 521 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: the questions that are necessary, because he says a few 522 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: things that feel immature when it comes to. 523 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: Religious studies. 524 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: One is he says, hey, but we still have like 525 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: the base faith the same thing, right, Yeah, that's cool, 526 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 3: Like so we're good. 527 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's true, Like. 528 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: That isn't wrong, but like that's not the whole scenario, right, 529 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: you have to ask more questions to understand what exactly 530 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: that base faith looks like, because I want to know 531 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: Grant from you, what is your base faith? 532 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: So that's a big deal. 533 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 5: His feels more like very general on the surface, and 534 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 5: for her it couldn't be more Or is it bad 535 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 5: to say the word niche? 536 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 3: It's I think niche. I think niche. Well, no, I 537 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 3: think niche and concentrated. There is a face system, So 538 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 3: I think what you're saying is like there is a 539 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 3: system in place that her family follows that is very 540 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 3: specific in particular to. 541 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 2: Why they believe what they believe. 542 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 3: I don't think they're not going to be accepting of Grant, 543 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 3: And I think he should have heard that during this 544 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 3: whole family date, and I think that was very important 545 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 3: for him to hear, is that, Hey, you can come 546 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 3: into this thing man, like we're not asking you to convert. 547 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: We're not asking to do anything more than love our 548 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 3: daughter and help start this family that we so believe 549 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: in and love. That's the baseline here. 550 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 5: Can we just say how in interesting it would have 551 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 5: been if he would have said, am I expected to 552 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 5: convert if we're going to get married? 553 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: I think it's really great question. 554 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 3: I know, an amazing question for him asked is what 555 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 3: are the expectations of me as a partner? Because the 556 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: worst case scenario would be that he is surprised by 557 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 3: this at some point in his life. He's just not 558 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 3: asking the questions. And I do think it probably comes 559 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: from a place of concern. Is what can I ask 560 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 3: and not ask? 561 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? 562 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 3: And I think that's very fair. Like Faith has a 563 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 3: lot of like you're fearful of. He kind of see 564 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: it when the whole family comes up and he's like, 565 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: all right, who. 566 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: All here is related? 567 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 5: He was definitely like is there possibly like multiple wives? 568 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like wanting to ask the questions. 569 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 4: Do I have to have five kids? 570 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 3: Like he should have just asked them to the father 571 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: because the father was such a welcoming place and it 572 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 3: felt like in that situation, anything that was on his mind, 573 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 3: he could have asked, like, hey, I like got myself 574 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 3: stuck there at the beginning when everybody come out to 575 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 3: me and been like, who's all related here? That fine question, 576 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 3: great question, But at some point he has to dig 577 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: into it. At some point, he has to ask the 578 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 3: questions that so many would probably be wondering outside of 579 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 3: the faith, is is everybody. 580 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 2: Here married to each other? Oh? 581 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 3: No, that's not the case. Okay, cool, Like why have 582 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 3: I heard that my whole life? And then somebody could 583 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 3: explain it to him. Yeah, well, you know, like why 584 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: is his family so big? Like that's the fun part 585 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: also though, and I don't want to take this for granted, 586 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: it's the fun part of like falling in love with 587 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 3: somebody is you get to be be curious about their life. 588 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: Listen, so maybe he'll ask it what he's more comfortable. 589 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 5: We are also not maybe giving him the benefit of 590 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 5: the doubt. Perhaps he asked this, he certainly was contemplating 591 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 5: it and maybe felt like it wasn't even appropriate to 592 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 5: talk about on TV mm hm, you know that's fair 593 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 5: or maybe not on the first meeting, which I agree, 594 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 5: like on the first meeting of a family you would 595 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 5: never talk about things like that. 596 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 4: This is just like a bachelor exception. 597 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 3: And let's also give Grant some credit where I think 598 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 3: we've see in the next day, which we'll move on 599 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: to now. 600 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 4: Except for can we talk about the grandpa moment. 601 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: I love the grandpa. 602 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 4: The grandpa was so which we established he's an oil typhoon. 603 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've we know about him. 604 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 4: He's so wealthy, he's so sweet. 605 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 5: The way that she told him the secret of like 606 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 5: that she was following for him and then he didn't 607 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 5: hear it, and then she just whispered it again. 608 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: It was just like the realist, cutest moment. 609 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: Well, and it's the grandpa I want to be because 610 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: his response to her wasn't oh my gosh, I'm so 611 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: excited for you. He's like, I hope it's going to 612 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 3: work out, and like there was a wisdom in every 613 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 3: word he said to her, I wish your grandma could 614 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: be here. I haven't seen you be this way with 615 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: anybody else. There is these words that he was saying 616 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: that came from deep thought and a man that has 617 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 3: practiced thinking before he speaks, and you could tell that 618 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: in the midst of that, she felt very comfortable talking 619 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 3: to him about that. 620 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 5: And how sweet was it when she said, like, you know, 621 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 5: he's different than my dad was, the dad that passed 622 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 5: away when she was three months old, just absolutely tragic, 623 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 5: and he goes, yes, your father was so easy to love? 624 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 4: So is to love? Oh? 625 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 3: Okay, final thought on this date, and this is where 626 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: my lack of religious knowledge comes in. The mom is 627 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: in having a conversation. They talk about fantasy sweets, and 628 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: she they talk about fantasy sweets, she says, if he's 629 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 3: you know, intimate with anybody else, it would upset me, 630 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 3: which I think we see is going to be a. 631 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: Storyline for the next episode for sure. 632 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 3: I felt like the mom handled this in a way 633 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: that I did not expect by saying, have you actually 634 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: thought through this? Are you willing to Like I don't 635 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 3: know what her words were exactly, but it's like, pretty much, 636 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: are you willing to give him the benefit of the 637 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 3: doubt and open your mind to whatever happens in the 638 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 3: fantasy suites because this is such a unique week now. 639 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 3: That is that to me was a very interesting statement 640 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: coming from a storyline where faith has been such a 641 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 3: focus for the last two weeks, because it. 642 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 5: Sounds like the mom would not necessarily encourage her to 643 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 5: shut off if he's intimate with anybody else, exactly like 644 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 5: if he was to be the mom wouldn't hold that 645 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 5: against him necessarily. 646 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: That's what I took from it. 647 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 3: That's what I took from it, and I thought that 648 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 3: was one and a healthy perspective from a parent. We 649 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 3: don't hear that very often. So I was like, Mom, 650 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 3: kudos to you. This is such a weird week, Like 651 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 3: what an amazing like mindset you're giving your daughter. Not 652 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 3: that he should be, I'm just saying that you're leaving 653 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 3: her open to make decisions based on whatever happens this 654 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: next week. But two, then I had to check it 655 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: against the storyline that's been happening for the last two weeks, 656 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 3: which is my family is are very very very faithful conservative, 657 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: like foundationally like like practicing their faith. And I thought 658 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 3: that was an incredible like mom moment where she sat 659 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: with her daughter more as a friend, as like adult 660 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 3: daughter to friend mom, and just poured wisdom into her 661 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 3: instead of like momming her which I think is so 662 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 3: common during these days and pressuring her to think one way. 663 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: I thought her mom in that like, I wanted to 664 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 3: lift her up and be like you, you've not only 665 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: implemented this thought to your daughter's head to stay like open, 666 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 3: but also you continue to pour under her where her 667 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: values and traditions lie. 668 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, an incredible parenting moment that we can all learn from. 669 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, totally agree, Bravo, perfect words, Ben. 670 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: There we go, all right. 671 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: Final hometown of this week was one that fell completely 672 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 3: short and obviously left with somebody going home. Didn't expect 673 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 3: her to go home this week, especially after the Zoe date. 674 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 3: As I said, Zoe is very very much now at 675 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: this point in Category three. To me, I think there's 676 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: no question that when it comes to the finale episode, 677 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 3: we're going to know who the File two are. If 678 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 3: it's not, I'll be shocked. But this date is still 679 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 3: something to talk about because that happened this week. 680 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 2: The family is not for this bachelor situation. Ashley. 681 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to make a personal statement on this. Yeah, 682 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: that again will probably ruffle feathers. 683 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 2: I think I. 684 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 3: Think there's nothing about I think there's nothing good about parenting. 685 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 3: When your child chooses to do something and they've entered 686 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 3: into it to where you say I'm not going to 687 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 3: support it. I think there's only one way that goes, 688 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: and that is the child feeling like they're unsupported, which 689 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 3: is how she felt this episode. Yeah, no matter if 690 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 3: you like it or not, even if Grant has to 691 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 3: show up to your house. And you're like, I don't 692 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 3: like the fact that you're dating all these other women. 693 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 3: I don't like the fact that my daughter won on 694 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 3: the show. I don't like the fact that she's even 695 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 3: here with you. I think that's a better scenario, yeah, 696 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: than what existed during this episode totally. 697 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 5: You can sense that, even though she's very confident in 698 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 5: her delivery all the time, like this made her feel 699 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 5: like a little bit embarrassed and then it's just going 700 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 5: to brush off really quickly. 701 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 4: I would have at least wished that some of the 702 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 4: siblings she has eleven siblings, and you're telling me that 703 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 4: eleven of them were like, no, we're gonna side with 704 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 4: mom and dad on this. That makes me. 705 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 5: Sad, That makes you do makes me feel like she 706 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 5: is like alone in this, and it makes me really 707 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 5: wonder her decision to go on the show. 708 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 4: She had to have known that her family was so 709 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 4: against it. 710 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 3: Well that's the big question, right, So at some point 711 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 3: this conversation had to have existed between them, and she 712 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: chose to still go on the show even without anybody's support. 713 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 2: That's one red flag. I would say. 714 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 3: The second red flag is that, yeah, eleven siblings and 715 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 3: like nobody else wanted to show up to support her. 716 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 2: I think that's not a good move. I'm confused by 717 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 2: this whole situation. 718 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 3: And it felt like it was confusing to her too, 719 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 3: And it did bring insecurity into her, especially when all 720 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 3: the other women are talking about their dates and she's 721 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 3: in there being like, I'm the only one. They didn't 722 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 3: have anybody. I had my friends and I went to 723 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 3: a pumpkin patch. Yeah, and I tried to make the 724 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 3: best of a really bad situation. 725 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 5: Dina, if you're listening this, I mean this to make 726 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 5: you feel better. You were going to get eliminated either way. 727 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 2: I think she sees that now, No, you're right, do 728 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? 729 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 5: Like if your family did show up, Like, I still 730 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 5: think you were going to get eliminated, and maybe you've 731 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 5: been a toss up between you and Zoe, but like 732 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 5: you were making the top two. 733 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 4: What made me feel really awkward about this? 734 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 5: And I know this is maybe tomb but like it's 735 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 5: a hometown episode, right, so you kind of think that 736 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 5: you're gonna do what you would do in your hometown, 737 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 5: show in places that mean something to you. The fact 738 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 5: that they went to the pumpkin patch on top of 739 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 5: her family not being involved made me feel really even 740 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 5: further disconnected to this being a hometown because they went 741 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 5: to something seasonal that she didn't even make it seem 742 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 5: like there was any connection to it, especially since it 743 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 5: said it was a jack o lantern pop up, so 744 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 5: it's not even there all the time. 745 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,479 Speaker 4: This is not even like a tradition of hers during 746 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 4: the fall. 747 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 3: Well you heard it, it happened late. I'm guessing the 748 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 3: show like on the way they heard that the family 749 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 3: actually wasn't going to do this, and they're like. 750 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 2: What do we do now? 751 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 3: Okay, who has five hundred pumpkins that week? And by 752 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 3: put up a sign invite the friends, let's figure something out. 753 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 4: I know. 754 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 2: It did feel disconnecting. 755 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 3: I think with your word's there actually like if she 756 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 3: heard this, it's not not true, and I think she 757 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 3: sees it now, right, So, yeah, she wasn't going to 758 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 3: win this thing. It's good that she went home this week. 759 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 3: There's no issues with her now. He loved the idea 760 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 3: of Dina. He was like, I love her passion and 761 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 3: her like drive. 762 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 5: It's like very attractive, but like he didn't feel romance 763 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 5: toward her. 764 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 3: No, But it was a weird date. It was a 765 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 3: date that felt unnecessary. She could have said, Hey, Grant, 766 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 3: how about this, I'll fly to you. How about you 767 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 3: and I have a day together, and I'll introduce you 768 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 3: to five of my closest friends in the city that 769 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 3: we're going to fly to. This felt unnecessary, and it 770 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 3: felt very much like the producers were thrown off guard 771 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 3: at the very end and they had to figure this out. 772 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 5: And then my last comment is that this is also 773 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 5: maybe ridiculous, but like if it didn't happen at a 774 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 5: pumpkin patch and it happened at a bar that they 775 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 5: go too often, I would at least felt like that 776 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 5: was home here. 777 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 2: I'm with you. 778 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 3: Well, at least they could have drinks. The rest of 779 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 3: this episode exists with Joey and Grant sitting down. Not 780 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 3: a lot that comes from that, other than Joey giving 781 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 3: him some sound advice on how to process the next 782 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 3: steps in this relationship. Then we do see the girls 783 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 3: catching up and Dina feeling at that point like she's 784 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 3: the only one who didn't give Grant a true hometown. Well, 785 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 3: Dina ends up going home at the end of this episode, 786 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 3: left with Litia, Juliana, and Zoe moving into the Fantasy 787 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 3: suite week, Ashley, you and I would both agree that 788 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 3: this is a two horse race, right, you're up. It's 789 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 3: Litia is Juliana, and we're gonna figure out who wins 790 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 3: at the end. 791 00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 4: Yep. 792 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 5: Like, we say that with such confidence and we're not spoiled. No, 793 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 5: and guess what's happening next week, guys, because this, as 794 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 5: we said last week, this season is two weeks shorter 795 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 5: than a typical Bachelor season. But guess what we get 796 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 5: next week? Women tell all because we needed to put 797 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 5: that there. 798 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 2: It was it was so necessary. 799 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 4: It was way more imperative than Grant having another week 800 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 4: of dates. 801 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 2: I don't get it. 802 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 4: It's so weird. I know it's cheaper for them, but whatever, 803 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 4: we don't need it. 804 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 5: We absolutely do not need two hours of a non 805 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 5: really not that dramatic season being recapped and squawked at. 806 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 2: But we'll watch it. We're gonna break it down right here. 807 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 2: It's almost fantasy. 808 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 5: We will be here, you know we will. We don't 809 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 5: love that one, but we're gonna be here. And I 810 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 5: guess that's it for this episode. We appreciate you guys 811 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 5: listening to us every week until next time I've been Ashley. 812 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 2: And I've been Ben. We'll see you next week. 813 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 4: Bye. 814 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 815 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.