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Speaker 6: We got a lot of things I want to hit today,
Speaker 6: a lot of different topics. I want to start first
Speaker 6: with some conversation around the head coach, Coach McCarthy and
Speaker 6: his where his future will lie, whether it's with Dallas
Speaker 6: or with someone else. In the second segment, we're going
Speaker 6: to get into a little bit of a season review.
Speaker 6: I got some questions for you guys. Not sure how
Speaker 6: far we'll get into that. We'll do a little bit
Speaker 6: on that. And then in the final segment, I'm going
Speaker 6: to have our Draft Show, guys, which if you didn't know,
Speaker 6: yesterday was first episode of The Draft Show.
Speaker 4: By the way, great show, guys.
Speaker 6: I enjoyed it. I had a good time listening to it.
Speaker 6: But we got some new additions to that show. But
Speaker 6: the great part for the Break is got two people
Speaker 6: from the Draft Show on our show.
Speaker 4: So we're going to this year, we're going to try to.
Speaker 6: Tap into that a little bit more and try to
Speaker 6: use some of that knowledge that you guys are disseminating
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Speaker 6: our folks here on the Break and maybe push some
Speaker 6: of those people that listen to The Break over to
Speaker 6: the Draft Show as well.
Speaker 4: But in our third segment, what I want to do is.
Speaker 6: We're going to focus in on the two college games
Speaker 6: that are happening this week in the semifinals of College Playoff,
Speaker 6: and have you guys give us some players that people
Speaker 6: should watch. If you were an evaluator for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6: You were thinking about players you want to be able
Speaker 6: to draft. I want you to give us some names
Speaker 6: of some guys that you'll be watching and as you
Speaker 6: think fans should be watching this weekend. That will help
Speaker 6: them be prepared I should say Thursday and Friday. That
Speaker 6: will help them be better prepared for draft day when
Speaker 6: it comes up for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Perfect sounds good.
Speaker 7: Let's do it all right, so let's jump in.
Speaker 4: Let's start first, Coach McCarthy.
Speaker 6: The reason why I wanted to talk about this right
Speaker 6: now is because yesterday, I think, was when the report
Speaker 6: surfaced at Chicago. Chicago bears A requested permission to interview him,
Speaker 6: and now he is until January fourteenth, he is. Basically,
Speaker 6: the Cowboys have exclusive rights to talk to him about
Speaker 6: a future deal, and that's why Chicago had to make
Speaker 6: the request. There has been a report today that the
Speaker 6: Cowboys denied that request. But my question for you guys
Speaker 6: is do you think that interests being drawn from other teams,
Speaker 6: let's say Chicago, even if there are others, do you
Speaker 6: think that affects the way that the Cowboy ways think
Speaker 6: about whether they should bring him back or not?
Speaker 7: You mean, does it does it kind of tell us?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying is it's it's the girlfriend
Speaker 6: of boy, ex girlfriend an ex boyfan effect, right, It's
Speaker 6: like you don't want him, yeah, but the moment someone
Speaker 6: else shows interest, it's kind of like, should I.
Speaker 2: Readthink that to the Dallas Cowboys?
Speaker 6: Do you think that that should affect or does affect
Speaker 6: maybe how the Cowboys view Mike McCarthy because there are
Speaker 6: other suitors out there.
Speaker 8: I don't think it should I if you're asking me,
Speaker 8: and if I was, you know, one of those decision makers,
Speaker 8: I don't think anything anyone else thinks about Mike McCarthy
Speaker 8: should affect my opinion about you know, what he has done.
Speaker 8: Just because you've seen what five seasons in Dallas looks
Speaker 8: like for him and you're evaluating that for the future,
Speaker 8: How does that apply to potentially bringing him back. I
Speaker 8: don't think necessarily, you know, the ex girlfriend coming along
Speaker 8: or a new girl coming along, should affect how I
Speaker 8: feel about about my girl. You know, you're ex girl
Speaker 8: exactly exactly, not talking about.
Speaker 7: The current girl. Yeah yeah, yeah, hopefully she's not listening.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, from somebody that's seen it done this
Speaker 2: way here before. Yeah, I think it does. When you know,
Speaker 2: the Joneses are very calculating in the way that they
Speaker 2: do things as far as their team. They like to
Speaker 2: get a lot of opinions, they talk about things, and
Speaker 2: you know, I've always found that when somebody in the
Speaker 2: organization is coveted, they tend to move a little quicker.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, listen, we don't want to lose. You
Speaker 2: can give a couple of examples, and dan Quinn was
Speaker 2: taking interviews, you know, with that whole thing when he.
Speaker 4: Was year before last, year before last.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: we don't want to lose dan Quinn. Let's make it work.
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn's Wow. Will McClay is another one that tends
Speaker 2: to get you know, some notoriety, some some interest, and
Speaker 2: the jones Is find a way Okay, well let's do
Speaker 2: this for Will and kind of help them along. So yeah,
Speaker 2: they're they're they're they're a group that that likes to
Speaker 2: like that they will negotiate with you. But what I
Speaker 2: think makes some speed up a little bit is the
Speaker 2: fact that when somebody else jumps into the the into
Speaker 2: the Fray and you know, Chicago, and this is, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, this is I think this is
Speaker 2: a good thing for Mike McCarthy, whether Chicago really wants
Speaker 2: to interview him or not, I think that's a good
Speaker 2: thing because it draws attention to like, Okay, there's potential
Speaker 2: out there. We can't sit here and wait. We have
Speaker 2: to kind of figure things out what we want to do.
Speaker 2: And and I find it it will move them along
Speaker 2: a little more. What Mike honestly needs is New Orleans
Speaker 2: to get involved, the Jets to get involved, and you know,
Speaker 2: some other teams to get involved in. That would really
Speaker 2: speed the jones Is up. But I don't think this
Speaker 2: thing is necessarily over. I think people are saying, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe thinking about that this is, this is you know,
Speaker 2: they're going to sign him up and all that. I mean,
Speaker 2: it could be way wrong about this, but this could
Speaker 2: be a negotiating ploy by the jones Is to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is the kind of deal we would like for
Speaker 2: you to do, and then Mike and then say, listen,
Speaker 2: I really don't want to do this. And then but
Speaker 2: now it looks like, you know, the Joneses really aren't
Speaker 2: the bad guys. We negotiated with you, you didn't want
Speaker 2: to deal. So we'll see how this thing plays out.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are thinking this thing
Speaker 2: could very well be over. I don't think it's over,
Speaker 2: and I think there's I think there's still a long
Speaker 2: way to go here to get this thing done. But
Speaker 2: you know, at least by somebody coming after Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 2: it kind of puts the Joneses in motion to either,
Speaker 2: you know, negotiate and then they could say, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is what we want to do, and Mike could counter
Speaker 2: and say, well, this is what I want to do,
Speaker 2: and if it doesn't work, then they can move on
Speaker 2: and then we could start to talk about some other
Speaker 2: candidates that potentially are out there, which I think the
Speaker 2: Joneses would would welcome if it came down to that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree with Brian. I don't think it changes
Speaker 9: what the Cowboys think about Mi McCarthy and their review
Speaker 9: and analysis of him as a head coach and the
Speaker 9: things that he's done here during his time here. But
Speaker 9: it potentially changes the sense of urgency in trying to
Speaker 9: get things moving along quicker and faster. Because one thing
Speaker 9: we've seen time and time again, I mean the Jones
Speaker 9: Jones's how do.
Speaker 7: You say that?
Speaker 4: Jones Jones Jones.
Speaker 9: Well, the cowboys, the cowboys, they tend to do the
Speaker 9: thing their own way, like they it's in their own timeline.
Speaker 9: And if it's it's how we want to handle this
Speaker 9: and when we want to and one thing that it
Speaker 9: could be right now, why it's taking a while. We
Speaker 9: haven't heard any new reports. It could be like, yes,
Speaker 9: they want him back, but under what conditions? How much money?
Speaker 9: How many years? Who's going to be calling the place here?
Speaker 9: Who's the coaching staff with you? So I think that
Speaker 9: those conversations, I mean, they can't happen that fast. If
Speaker 9: they if they were to happen that quickly, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 9: we didn't really take our time here to look at it, right,
Speaker 9: So no, that that's That's what I'm just saying. I
Speaker 9: think hopefully they're doing their homework due diligence and taking
Speaker 9: you know, a look at literally everything and coming into
Speaker 9: some sort of agreement. But because I do think McCarthy
Speaker 9: Ifeeve wasn't here, he could easily quote unquote find another
Speaker 9: place where he could coach.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is not a situation I think both
Speaker 6: you guys made a fantastic point. From the standpoint, this
Speaker 6: is not a one way thing. This is not just
Speaker 6: the Cowboys saying here right, this is what's going to happen.
Speaker 4: Right. This is a negotiation.
Speaker 6: It's no different than Dak and the Cowboys negotiating, or
Speaker 6: Zak and the Cowboys negotiating.
Speaker 4: Like it is. It has to work for both parties.
Speaker 6: So the Cowboys can say, here's what we would like
Speaker 6: to happen in a new deal. Mike also can say, well,
Speaker 6: I don't really love that. I want this in a
Speaker 6: new deal. And then now it takes them negotiating to
Speaker 6: figure out what am I willing to give up? What
Speaker 6: are you willing to give up to get us to
Speaker 6: a point we both agree if that's possible.
Speaker 8: So we do all agree that the Joneses want McCarthy back,
Speaker 8: just on their own terms.
Speaker 7: It's just more so about the negotiation.
Speaker 4: Now, I can't say that I've not been told that.
Speaker 6: What I surmise is there's probably a world where they
Speaker 6: could see that happening, because I think the reason why
Speaker 6: you're taking the time is because there's nothing like if
Speaker 6: they were convinced he's not the answer, then this would
Speaker 6: have already been done.
Speaker 4: I believe they would already been done.
Speaker 6: The fact that they're having conversation says to me there
Speaker 6: are some things that they're trying to talk about and
Speaker 6: figure out on both sides, to figure out if this
Speaker 6: is the right fit moving forward. And that's why I
Speaker 6: think this is going to take some time. Not a
Speaker 6: long time because by the fourteenth he's a free agent,
Speaker 6: but it's going to take some time for them to
Speaker 6: work through this process of.
Speaker 9: What I would to anyone who heard the press conference
Speaker 9: from that last game where my McCarthy talked to the media.
Speaker 9: The way he spoke, he made it sound like he's
Speaker 9: wanting to stay here in Dallas and keep building on
Speaker 9: what he's done so far, and the way he portrayed
Speaker 9: and responded everything just made you feel like someone who's
Speaker 9: willing to stick around on the right terms and keep
Speaker 9: working at it and give this another go. I don't
Speaker 9: know if you guys got anything else, whether or not,
Speaker 9: or from Jerry when he was talking to the media too.
Speaker 9: I mean he talked I don't know how long fortnutes,
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, it was a long time.
Speaker 6: I know we went in locker room talk to players
Speaker 6: came out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: The one quote that stood out for me for from
Speaker 8: from Jerry was the determining and the negotiation is all
Speaker 8: one motion, and so that that kind of made me
Speaker 8: think that explain that the determining quote if McCarthy is
Speaker 8: back and then negotiating with McCarthy is all one motion.
Speaker 8: That tells me that they want to negotiate under their
Speaker 8: terms and that determines if he's going to be back.
Speaker 8: And that was that was the big quote that really
Speaker 8: stood out to me from from Jerry's availability.
Speaker 6: Which means that's going to take some time for them.
Speaker 6: It's not just saying he's worthy of being back, it's
Speaker 6: he's worthy of being back under whatever circumstances they think
Speaker 6: are necessary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you know, the Joneses, could you know,
Speaker 2: they they've also they like to be and it's not selecting,
Speaker 2: it's you know they as the general manager, you have
Speaker 2: the ability to offer suggestions for staff, you know, and
Speaker 2: and they've got a decision, you know, with with Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 2: you know, do you want to go into another year
Speaker 2: where hey, they've changed the coordinator now again, you know,
Speaker 2: you continually changing coordinators and.
Speaker 4: That's the fourth defensive coordinator in five years, six years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So they they're probably thinking about, Okay, if
Speaker 2: you know, if Mike Zimmer doesn't come back, this would
Speaker 2: be our suggestion. You know, do you have an idea?
Speaker 2: What you know? And then you kind of go back
Speaker 2: and forth, back and forth. They got to talk about
Speaker 2: the staff. They got to talk about like we've talked
Speaker 2: about potentially the play call and stuff. You know, if
Speaker 2: not you who you know, And there's there's there's there's
Speaker 2: a long I think there's a long road. And you know,
Speaker 2: if you've got about a week to get this done
Speaker 2: and and you know, we'll see. I mean, like I said,
Speaker 2: I I do think the fact that the Bears did
Speaker 2: ask permission at least pushed things in a way that
Speaker 2: you you know, you could have wait. He could have
Speaker 2: waited all the way up until two days before Mike
Speaker 2: was free and said okay, let's start talking about this,
Speaker 2: because we've seen how they've negotiated some deals with dak C,
Speaker 2: d Zach Martin. I mean, they've waited on some deals.
Speaker 4: So yeah, let's do this.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go ahead and take our first break when
Speaker 6: we come back. There are some other three factors that
Speaker 6: I want to point out, and I want to dive
Speaker 6: into each one on Mike MacArthur. And if you were
Speaker 6: Jerry and having to make this decision, which of these
Speaker 6: three factors are most important? And really talk about the
Speaker 6: three decisions and what you think of Mike as you
Speaker 6: evaluate him in these three areas.
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Speaker 6: All right, So let's jump back in talking about Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 6: There are three things that I think are in my
Speaker 6: mind the three things that as a part of evaluating
Speaker 6: whether he should come back, if I were Jerry, I
Speaker 6: would evaluate. So I'm gonna throw those things three things
Speaker 6: to you, and we're going to talk about each of
Speaker 6: the three, and once we finish talking about them, then
Speaker 6: i'm gonna have you guys kind of put them in
Speaker 6: order of how you would rank them in relative importance.
Speaker 6: Let's start first with replacement options. I think in any
Speaker 6: decision you're making where you're talking about a particular position,
Speaker 6: you have to think about who's out there and available
Speaker 6: to you relative to who you already have to know
Speaker 6: whether it's worth a move or not. Are there any
Speaker 6: specific names out there that intrigue you more than Mike
Speaker 6: McCarthy as a head coach?
Speaker 2: Here ones you could actually get.
Speaker 6: Yes, it would need to be a realistic like obviously
Speaker 6: you wouldn't say yeah, go get you know, Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 6: like it's somebody that's realistic.
Speaker 2: Talk to be traded for these guys. Now, by the way, I've.
Speaker 6: Heard that, can we say names not under contract? That's
Speaker 6: why we're leaving those that are currently coaches?
Speaker 7: So said yes or no question?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm saying we're not talking We're not
Speaker 4: talking about coaches that are currently coaching. We're talking about
Speaker 4: people that are out there.
Speaker 6: Are there any names of coaches that you would look
Speaker 6: at and you'd be like, that would be an intriguing
Speaker 6: person that I would think about if I were looking
Speaker 6: for a head coach for the doubts.
Speaker 8: I'm with you now, my bad Mike Vrabel and Pete
Speaker 8: Carroll I think are two very interesting.
Speaker 4: Carol, really, I think so.
Speaker 8: Yes, he's his age, Yes he's old, but he's fit,
Speaker 8: he's good, he's good going.
Speaker 2: I think looking good looking.
Speaker 8: I was just a good looking You're right, but that's
Speaker 8: a good going.
Speaker 7: But he's got ten more years here, He's got ten
Speaker 7: more years.
Speaker 4: Think, yeah, what is he like seventy's like seventy.
Speaker 8: One, seventy two, Yeah, seventy three, seventy three, he's got
Speaker 8: he's got eight more years of You think coaches like running,
Speaker 8: He's like running every morning.
Speaker 15: My brain is all already starting to do crazy things
Speaker 15: in life. I don't think that's true, but I just
Speaker 15: think that I just think that's a lot.
Speaker 8: But Mike Rabel is the more interesting name than I
Speaker 8: think any any than any of them. But you look
Speaker 8: at the Patriots opening, that was make so much sense.
Speaker 8: It makes so much sense for him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the Patriots wouldn't have moved on from their
Speaker 2: coach with Mayo being let out, Vrabel would be the
Speaker 2: clear number one of the of the guys that are available. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we probably can't talk about college guys,
Speaker 2: right or anything like that?
Speaker 6: Can we college guy that interests you like that? I would,
Speaker 6: I would, That's fine, you could throw out.
Speaker 2: I just was just was curious. But there's some I
Speaker 2: think that Rabel makes the most sense where you're going
Speaker 2: to I think you're going to do. Where you're going
Speaker 2: to do the most, You're going to do the most
Speaker 2: good is with guys that are currently with teams, you know.
Speaker 2: I think those are the guys.
Speaker 4: That if you were trying to trade for if you
Speaker 4: were trying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or if you were just if you know, if
Speaker 2: if you ask for a window interview, you know, if
Speaker 2: you if you catch them in their their interview windows
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 9: I don't realize McCarthy was sixty one years old.
Speaker 4: Still young, sixty one young?
Speaker 9: No, sure it is.
Speaker 6: I mean I'm trying my guess, Like, what are you
Speaker 6: trying to say?
Speaker 7: Halfway there?
Speaker 2: You're off seventy two?
Speaker 9: I said for certain jobs, okay.
Speaker 2: A podcast with certain.
Speaker 9: Jobs are like they they're draining, and especially look at
Speaker 9: the media, like being the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 9: I mean that has to be draining.
Speaker 4: It has to do you think it ages people?
Speaker 9: Sure does? I mean there are certain jobs that I'm
Speaker 9: That's why I'm saying I'm for certain things, certain specific positions.
Speaker 9: How old is he.
Speaker 2: He's think he's younger than me. I think he's probably.
Speaker 9: I mean, he wore the same thing every day. No,
Speaker 9: but I'm that's not a you never smell bad, he's
Speaker 9: he would shower.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, saying years.
Speaker 4: He doesn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't age like most coaches do on
Speaker 2: these under these circumstances, you know, to an interesting guy
Speaker 2: would be uh, and he just lost his job. I
Speaker 2: guess we could talk about it was Doug Peterson. You know,
Speaker 2: if you if you talk about you know Doug Peterson
Speaker 2: as a super Bowl winning coach.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 2: The thing with Doug Peterson to me is, I think
Speaker 2: his offensive is I think he's got a really good
Speaker 2: offensive mind. I think he'd be creative. I do worry
Speaker 2: a little bit about the D game management stuff. That
Speaker 2: would be probably something that would turn people off a
Speaker 2: little bit. But if you're talking about guys that just
Speaker 2: lost their jobs, you know he would be one just
Speaker 2: because of the because we've seen him have some success.
Speaker 2: It's unfortunately what happened in Jacksonville. I thought he was
Speaker 2: going to get that thing turned around the right way.
Speaker 2: But you know, they they they lost some bad games
Speaker 2: and then this year was just really bad overall. But
Speaker 2: there's a guy that does have you know, if the
Speaker 2: Joneses are looking for a guy that does have a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl win, you know, that's good.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure if that's necessarily an upgrade over McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I feel no. No, I I've known Doug
Speaker 2: for a long time, you know, uh no, no, No,
Speaker 2: Doug and I Doug and I have known. John Gruden
Speaker 2: is another one that you know that if you wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about now what the thing with John Gruden
Speaker 2: would be with the thing with John and I've known
Speaker 2: John a long time. John has the idea of old
Speaker 2: school running game. But I think John, and talking to him,
Speaker 2: really understands now that an offense you have to attack
Speaker 2: these defenses a certain way. And I think he's adapted
Speaker 2: some of his thinking. But his running game I think
Speaker 2: travels now. Don't let John pick players, you know, that's
Speaker 2: where John's at a disadvantage. John. John would love these
Speaker 2: guys because they'll they'll pick players, but John would get involved.
Speaker 2: But I think the offensive side of things, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's tough on his players, demanding that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, Jerry was asked about him. I think you
Speaker 2: guys asked about him in the Median and he basically said, well, John,
Speaker 2: and we're friends with John and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: if you gave me a choice of those kinds of guys,
Speaker 2: I'd take John over Doug. But you know, those are
Speaker 2: those are coaches that I think that that have a
Speaker 2: super Bowl pedigree that you know, would someone would probably
Speaker 2: want to talk to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the interesting part about all this for me
Speaker 6: is regardless of what and we'll get to these other
Speaker 6: two areas, these other two factors, But I just don't
Speaker 6: right now see another person out there that I'm looking
Speaker 6: at and I'm saying, that's a clear upgrade over Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 6: I look at it and I say, Mike McCarthy, what
Speaker 6: he's done so far just me that he's.
Speaker 4: A good coach.
Speaker 6: There are some areas that have to improve, I think,
Speaker 6: no doubt about it. But it tells me he's a
Speaker 6: good coach. And I think for a lot of those
Speaker 6: other names, I'm like, I don't know that I say
Speaker 6: that they're a better coach, right those are really And
Speaker 6: I'm thinking right now, I'm drawing a blank harball. When
Speaker 6: he was coming out of UH when he's leaving Michigan
Speaker 6: to go to the Chargers, I remember having a conversation
Speaker 6: with somebody I was like, charge is gonna turn around quick.
Speaker 4: You look at that man's history. He turned programs.
Speaker 6: Around like it's not you don't have anybody, in my opinion,
Speaker 6: in this cycle that's like that, that level of coach
Speaker 6: to where you've seen in his history he goes somewhere
Speaker 6: and when he shows up, it's like Parcels. When Parcels
Speaker 6: showed up somewhere, you knew the team was gonna get better.
Speaker 6: It's the same thing with Harball. And I don't know
Speaker 6: that there's anybody out there right now in this cycle
Speaker 6: that I feel like that about.
Speaker 7: You know, college coaches.
Speaker 4: That I feel like that about should go hider.
Speaker 7: Nick Saban's fun.
Speaker 2: Ambro get upset the fact he's seventy. Yeah right, let's see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, you know you you could not be an
Speaker 4: HR person. Let's just put it like, he.
Speaker 2: Just could not do that.
Speaker 9: If you give me something else, there are certain jobs
Speaker 9: that I need, you I need more. It's just it's sorry. Sorry,
Speaker 9: We're all getting there at one point.
Speaker 2: But hopefully you know I'll say this. You know, I
Speaker 2: think what I think what set some college coaches back,
Speaker 2: unfortunately in the in the NFL, is what happened with
Speaker 2: urban Meyer Jacksonville.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, a very accomplished college.
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer is a guy that And if you and
Speaker 2: here's to your example. Everywhere urban Meyer has been he's won.
Speaker 2: He wanted Bowling Green, he wanted Utah, he wanted Florida,
Speaker 2: he wanted Ohio State. You talk about a program builder,
Speaker 2: but if you don't have the people's skills and you
Speaker 2: know all the things in college, you can get away
Speaker 2: with things. You could be a bully. As long as
Speaker 2: you're winning, you could bully people and and and be
Speaker 2: just fine. The minute you start losing. Look what happened
Speaker 2: to Look what happened to Bill Belichick in New England.
Speaker 2: Once Bill Belichick started losing, being a bully wasn't cool anymore.
Speaker 2: Like there were questions about his job. Is he losing it?
Speaker 2: And I saw the same thing with Tom Landry here.
Speaker 2: Not that Tom Landry was a bully, but you start
Speaker 2: to lose that at the end. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: amazing how parallel Tom Landry and Bill Belichick's careers are
Speaker 2: with what happened to them in the last four years
Speaker 2: of their great, great legendary coaches. But when all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, when personnel and decisions and things and coaching
Speaker 2: hires all start to go backwards on you. You're no
Speaker 2: longer the darling anymore.
Speaker 4: Hard sort to reverse that, hard to reverse that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: all right, let's move onto that.
Speaker 6: The next factor, The next factor has it have is
Speaker 6: his overall record. This is a man who has gone
Speaker 6: He went six and ten the first year, which was
Speaker 6: the COVID year, which, say what you want, I tend
Speaker 6: to give a little bit more of a pass on
Speaker 6: a COVID year as a first year coach. But he
Speaker 6: went six and ten that year, then had three seasons
Speaker 6: where they were twelve and five, and then they had
Speaker 6: this last season where they were seven and ten. Let
Speaker 6: me ask you the first question is what are the
Speaker 6: similarities you think it exists between the losing season versus
Speaker 6: the winning season?
Speaker 4: What were the things? Can can you draw on anything that.
Speaker 6: Gives you some insight as to why he had such
Speaker 6: these drastic swings from you know, the six win season
Speaker 6: and the seven win season all the way to twelve
Speaker 6: win seasons for three years in a row.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: You look at the injuries that he dealt with in
Speaker 8: both of those losing seasons, specifically with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 7: You could look back to this past year and see.
Speaker 8: DeMarcus Lawrence factored in that Ceedee Lamb not being one
Speaker 8: hundred percent losing Zach Martin. And then in twenty twenty
Speaker 8: also he was dealing with a defensive side of the
Speaker 8: ball that was an absolute mess and heard that was friends, yeah,
Speaker 8: and that was that was correct to going into twenty one. So,
Speaker 8: you know, the the I think the consistencies that you
Speaker 8: can find though between the twelve and five seasons and
Speaker 8: the losing seasons is an inability to win the big game,
Speaker 8: you know, whether it be a big game in the
Speaker 8: regular season.
Speaker 7: Granted there were a couple of big wins in there.
Speaker 8: You know, I think of that Sunday night win in
Speaker 8: Minnesota with Cooper Rush's quarterback. You know, I think of
Speaker 8: I think of the Seahawks game last year. That was
Speaker 8: a big win at a good time last year. But
Speaker 8: I all, winning the big game never really came with
Speaker 8: a lot of consistency, and I think that's going to
Speaker 8: be the biggest indictment if you look back and McCarthy's
Speaker 8: not the head coach.
Speaker 2: In a week. The biggest question I have with Mike
Speaker 2: right now, and maybe this about injury. Why did your
Speaker 2: offense just completely fall off the map from one year
Speaker 2: to the next, you know, and maybe it.
Speaker 4: Was from last year to this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why why all of a sudden you have a
Speaker 2: MVP quarterback to basically and even with him playing, they
Speaker 2: just weren't very good. What was the I like to know.
Speaker 2: I wonder what his in the staff study on that
Speaker 2: was why?
Speaker 7: I potentially try to answer that for Ahead.
Speaker 8: I think when Dak was in the equation, they had
Speaker 8: zero running game. They could not figure out that running
Speaker 8: game until well after Dak was gone. And then by
Speaker 8: the time Dak was or by the time that running
Speaker 8: back or the running game got itself figured out, then
Speaker 8: you're dealing with the Cooks injury, so you really only
Speaker 8: have one passing option. I think it is a personalel
Speaker 8: based in some ways, but it was really a product
Speaker 8: of the run game not being as as productive as
Speaker 8: Dak needed it to be.
Speaker 6: Was it that they couldn't figure it out, just weren't
Speaker 6: using it because it seemed like early in the season
Speaker 6: the volume wasn't there, let alone whether they were successful
Speaker 6: that they just didn't have the volume in the running game, right.
Speaker 2: They just they won. They won that game, and I
Speaker 2: believe Week five against Pittsburgh by doing the exactly what
Speaker 2: they needed to do and they just never And then
Speaker 2: oddly we get the inactive Rico Dabdle against San Francisco
Speaker 2: and it's just to me, I wonder just what was
Speaker 2: the what was the disconnect there?
Speaker 14: Why?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 2: I mean, you're right about the running game stuff, but
Speaker 2: why was the offense? Just why were you like every
Speaker 2: time you know, you got in the red zone, you scored,
Speaker 2: and this year you couldn't get you get in the
Speaker 2: red zone all even was kicking field goals? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: so I wonder where to me that was?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: To me is the biggest question I have about Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons I'm okay with Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: coming back. I just don't want to go through again
Speaker 2: this year. What were next year? What we went through
Speaker 2: this year with that, with the offense and stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: the questions and things.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it makes it worse when we sit here do
Speaker 9: show after show and talk about it. And that's what
Speaker 9: drives me nuts sometimes. And I say this, I've said
Speaker 9: this before, how we from a viewer, analysts, fan perspective,
Speaker 9: we see certain things, but then they don't, or based
Speaker 9: on what they show week after week, it doesn't seem
Speaker 9: to be processing or they're watching the same things that
Speaker 9: we're watching or talking about. And that was the most
Speaker 9: frustrating part of this whole thing, because I doubt I
Speaker 9: mean zech Martin coming out. We saw how much that
Speaker 9: affected the running game and what the offensive line was doing.
Speaker 9: But at the same time, I think if you stuck
Speaker 9: to it and actually gave those opportunities to a guy
Speaker 9: like Rico, there could have been something some type of
Speaker 9: production to hopefully balance things out or at least try
Speaker 9: it out and see what was happening. But sometimes it's
Speaker 9: just like they just keep doing the same thing over
Speaker 9: and over and over, even though when it's not working out.
Speaker 9: So that is my biggest thing, and we keep saying,
Speaker 9: I'm okay with him coming back as a head coach,
Speaker 9: I just want somebody else as a play color completely.
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the third thing. It's playoff performance.
Speaker 6: And obviously this has been the big achilles heel Achilles
Speaker 6: heel for them.
Speaker 4: Here's an interesting question. I thought of that act.
Speaker 6: I want to get here for the last thirty years, Well,
Speaker 6: that's exactly where I was going How much blame do
Speaker 6: you give him for the playoff record when this has
Speaker 6: been an ongoing problem going back to Chan Gaily, Bill Parcells,
Speaker 6: Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, They've all had playoff.
Speaker 4: Teams that have all fallen short.
Speaker 6: How much do you hold him accountable for what it
Speaker 6: seems like this has been an ongoing problem with a
Speaker 6: lot of coaches, a lot of good coaches.
Speaker 2: Well, this is what you also have to say. I
Speaker 2: think Will McClay does a really good job of building
Speaker 2: a team that can win your division. Where I think
Speaker 2: they've missed the boat. And this includes the coaches, because
Speaker 2: the coaches do have a say in what happens with
Speaker 2: personnel here. They don't have a team that's built to
Speaker 2: win the conference. That's the problem, in my opinion.
Speaker 4: They don't explain that a little bit more.
Speaker 2: They don't have a team that could go and be
Speaker 2: tough against San Francisco, go or go bite kneecaps in Detroit,
Speaker 2: or go win a game in the cold and Green Bay.
Speaker 2: They don't have that team. They have a team that's
Speaker 2: very competitive to play against Philadelphia, beat the Giants up
Speaker 2: all day. You know, the Commanders, I mean the Commanders
Speaker 2: are better now because they've got a quarterback. But you're
Speaker 2: a team that's built to win the division, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you have to go play some
Speaker 2: of these other teams. You go play in Miami, you
Speaker 2: go play a Buffalo, you go play somebody else, and
Speaker 2: you get embarrassed because your team is not built. But
Speaker 2: the head coach has to say in how this roster is,
Speaker 2: I just don't think. I think they're built perfectly to
Speaker 2: win the East. I don't think they're perfectly built to
Speaker 2: win the NFC the conference. I just don't. And I
Speaker 2: think that's something that they have to look at really strongly.
Speaker 2: Right now, your team is just not good enough. You
Speaker 2: watch those games. We all watch those games. Man, It's
Speaker 2: like you're thinking, there's no way Dallas can compete in
Speaker 2: this game right now. You know when you watch this,
Speaker 2: you know Detroit play Buffalo or somebody like that. These
Speaker 2: two teams just look home much better than you right now. Physical,
Speaker 2: more physical, yeah, built built to built to win the division?
Speaker 4: Is that about the people themselves or how they're coached?
Speaker 2: I think it's I and I include the coach, because
Speaker 2: the coach has to say that's the only reason.
Speaker 6: But I'm saying, though, what's more important is it you
Speaker 6: have to get the right mentality type guys to play
Speaker 6: that football, or is it that they're being coached in
Speaker 6: a way that makes them tough?
Speaker 2: Look what look what Shanahan does with his guys. I
Speaker 2: know this year was a bad year. They went through
Speaker 2: a lot of terrible injuries too, But look at how
Speaker 2: Detroit's turned things around. They've gotten better players, their offensive line,
Speaker 2: they they lose everybody on defense and they still are
Speaker 2: number one seed. I mean, they lost they lost their
Speaker 2: their their their Hutchinson the day they played Dallas that
Speaker 2: seemed like years ago. Didn't miss a be did not
Speaker 2: fall apart, and then they had more injuries along the way.
Speaker 2: Lose their runner, they don't fall apart.
Speaker 8: They picked up alfau Camino or Africomino. That's a basketball player,
Speaker 8: uh alchemy, But yeah, that was bad. Al Kadi Muhammad
Speaker 8: who the Cowboys released after camp and he has three
Speaker 8: secs in the last five games like that.
Speaker 7: That just hurts.
Speaker 2: See, that's that's so saying, though you just you you
Speaker 2: wonder like with and I think Mike the culture thing
Speaker 2: and all that you know it to me, it was
Speaker 2: disappointing to hear about the whole thing with Zeke missing
Speaker 2: meetings and stuff, because to me, Zeke missing meetings or
Speaker 2: being laid or whatever he was doing, I wish Mike
Speaker 2: would have just moved on from him. Just move on,
Speaker 2: you know. And maybe maybe he tried to. Maybe they
Speaker 2: maybe they they didn't want to move on from him,
Speaker 2: But I don't know. But I just think this team
Speaker 2: is they're built to win the division. They're not built
Speaker 2: to win the conference. And that's why you don't have
Speaker 2: playoff success because you're not You're not that that team
Speaker 2: that was second overall last year, let's be honest, caught
Speaker 2: some breaks, caught some breaks with Philly falling apart and
Speaker 2: some other things going crazy. You get the second seed,
Speaker 2: and now you go play a team that's that was
Speaker 2: fighting for their playoff lives and you get handled it home.
Speaker 2: You're not built the right way.
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Speaker 6: some players that we should watch this Thursday and Friday
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Speaker 4: The College Football Playoff.
Speaker 6: Happens Tomorrow night and Friday night. And so what I
Speaker 6: thought we would do is give our draft show experts
Speaker 6: an opportunity to give you some names to watch some
Speaker 6: guys that will be playing in those games.
Speaker 9: If Texas was not playing, would we be having this segment.
Speaker 6: We would absolutely be having a segment because it's very
Speaker 6: important to me to give our fans the most insight
Speaker 6: that we can give them about football and about the Cowboys,
Speaker 6: and so we would certainly be talking.
Speaker 7: I was like, Oh, this is gonna be good.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, no, Amber, I would not be talking about it.
Speaker 2: A matter of fact, I'm going to watch the game
Speaker 2: and I need to know a couple of guys to
Speaker 2: look out. All right, That's why I'm doing this.
Speaker 4: Let's start with Notre Dame versus Men's Day.
Speaker 6: Give me some guys that will be playing this Thursday
Speaker 6: night that you think should be or could be.
Speaker 4: Of interest to the Cowboys come drafted.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll give a defensive lineman for both sides. I'll
Speaker 8: start with I'll start with Notre Dame defensive tackle Howard
Speaker 8: Cross the thirties and three tech kind of an undersized
Speaker 8: three tech, but he's a state champion wrestler.
Speaker 7: Does this ring a bell?
Speaker 4: Leverage?
Speaker 2: Does this ring?
Speaker 7: Does this ring a bell?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 7: It sounds like osa odigizua.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 8: He was a wrestler from his from his high school
Speaker 8: days and has been an undersized three tech but has
Speaker 8: understood leverage, like you said, really well. The same goes
Speaker 8: for Howard Cross, not only with leverage but power distribution.
Speaker 8: He he does so well with that that it overcomes
Speaker 8: his physical limitations. He can clog some gaps in the
Speaker 8: run game. Now, granted, I don't think there's a lot
Speaker 8: of consistency in him getting active in the pass rush
Speaker 8: or the run game because whenever he gets active, he
Speaker 8: can just get double teamed. And when he gets double teamed,
Speaker 8: he gets overwhelmed. But I think that's why he's more
Speaker 8: so a Day three pick. I put him in about
Speaker 8: the fifth round from from my initial viewing. But a
Speaker 8: guy that lines up at three tech for Notre Dame
Speaker 8: and has has been active for them on the Penn
Speaker 8: State side, this is gonna be a top ten pick.
Speaker 8: Abdul Carter. Now, granted he got hurt in their quarter
Speaker 8: final win over Boise State, but it looks like he's
Speaker 8: gonna be be playing tomorrow night in the in the
Speaker 8: Orange Bowl. Abdul Carter is an interesting interesting cat when
Speaker 8: you when you factor in the Cowboys aspect of things,
Speaker 8: because over the offseason he wanted to take he wanted
Speaker 8: to take his game to another level.
Speaker 7: He reached out to Michael Parsons.
Speaker 8: He said, Hey, what did you do in the offseason
Speaker 8: here at Penn State that really helped your game going
Speaker 8: into your final year. And he completely replicated that over
Speaker 8: this past offseason and he lost some bad weight that
Speaker 8: he had, and he's put a lot of focus into
Speaker 8: speed rush moves. And he's a speed rusher and the
Speaker 8: body of a power rusher in the sense that he's
Speaker 8: six foot three, two hundred and sixty pounds, but he
Speaker 8: moves like he's two thirty five, and he can get
Speaker 8: around the He can get around the edge in a hurry.
Speaker 8: He uses the really an intense speed that he has
Speaker 8: to get around. This is going to be a guy
Speaker 8: that I think is going to be four four or
Speaker 8: five at the combine.
Speaker 7: It's led to eleven sacks.
Speaker 8: It's led to eleven sacks and twenty two tackles for
Speaker 8: loss as a senior. This is one of the more
Speaker 8: talented defensive prospects in this entire draft. I have him
Speaker 8: as a top ten pick. I think something would have
Speaker 8: to happen for him to slip at twelve. But yeah,
Speaker 8: there's a lot of time.
Speaker 2: As we need the gas now.
Speaker 8: I was just about to say.
Speaker 7: Situation, but this is a really player and if you
Speaker 7: have any dirt on him, let me know.
Speaker 2: That's at the draft show.
Speaker 7: But he wears number eleven.
Speaker 8: It's it's it's funny because it looks like Michael Parsons,
Speaker 8: except if Michael Parsons ate a bag of burgers, you know.
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's it's funny. Yeah.
Speaker 6: When you were first describing him, I'm like, yeah, he
Speaker 6: ain't gonna be there at twelve.
Speaker 2: Now when you when you when you when you beat
Speaker 2: the Commanders and then beat the Bucks, Yeah you lost,
Speaker 2: you lost.
Speaker 7: Who's who's to say they don't maybe trade up grab
Speaker 7: a guy.
Speaker 2: Like I'm with you, man, he is. He's the best
Speaker 2: you can get, right and the best. He's the best
Speaker 2: edge player in the draft. And I think Nick nailed
Speaker 2: him perfectly.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about a couple of kids. I
Speaker 2: want to mention just a couple of players that are
Speaker 2: that are hurt and not gonna play, but I think
Speaker 2: they're going to factor into the Cowboys. I'm gonna mention
Speaker 2: a couple of names. There's a corner named Benjamin Morrison,
Speaker 2: who plays at Notre Dame and a six foot one
Speaker 2: and ninety corner pound corner man. You talk about outstanding movement,
Speaker 2: the quickness, plays both sides, all these things. There's a
Speaker 2: fluidness to his game and I think a lot of teams.
Speaker 2: He is coming off a hip injury. He heard his
Speaker 2: hip in the season and it cost him an opportunity
Speaker 2: to play the rest of the scene. He got hurt
Speaker 2: in the Louisville game. This kid comes from a sports family.
Speaker 2: His dad was Daryl Morrison, who was a safety with
Speaker 2: the Commanders. His sisters, his brothers and sisters were all
Speaker 2: scholarship athletes. His sisters were champion gymnasts and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: This kid's really but he's hurt, he's not gonna play.
Speaker 2: But watched the name Benjamin Morris. I think he's a
Speaker 2: first round corner out of Notre Dame. And then the
Speaker 2: second thing I won. The second guy I would like
Speaker 2: to mention is a safety, a free safety. And this
Speaker 2: is for Penn State. It's kJ Winston and he's not
Speaker 2: going to play now. He hurt his knee in a
Speaker 2: game at the very first game of the season, like
Speaker 2: West Virginian, and they were getting ready for Bowling Green.
Speaker 2: But here's a guy that's a two year starter at
Speaker 2: Penn State. He's a rangy, physical, firstle, really good football player.
Speaker 2: When you start to talk about these guys that can tackle,
Speaker 2: this guy misses like two percent of his tackles missed.
Speaker 2: That's it. He's one of the best in the country
Speaker 2: when it comes to tackling. Six two, two oh five.
Speaker 2: You know, can cover, takes tight ends out of the game,
Speaker 2: deliver a blow. Physical guy. Dallas is looking for a
Speaker 2: free safety. This is a guy you're thinking about in
Speaker 2: the second round. Sorry, two guys are not gonna play.
Speaker 2: But when we start talking about draft coverage and get
Speaker 2: a little bit more extensive, these are guys that are
Speaker 2: I think are going to.
Speaker 6: Be in play coming off of Andrew perfect pick for
Speaker 6: Dallas in the second round.
Speaker 2: Absolutely Okay. Now I'm gonna give you a guy that
Speaker 2: is going to play in this football game. Tight end
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren from Penn State. And he's six six, he's
Speaker 2: two fifty seven. He's gonna line up all over the place.
Speaker 2: He's plays sometimes he plays when you see him flexed.
Speaker 2: You'll see him play as a wide receiver, see him
Speaker 2: play as a wildcat. He catches the ball really really easily.
Speaker 2: For this he could be a tough runner with the
Speaker 2: ball in his hands. He can make tacklers missing space.
Speaker 2: They use him in the red zone. He finds spots.
Speaker 2: He's got awareness. There's so much about him. You see him.
Speaker 2: He'll knock a linebacker, he'll knock a defensive lineman down.
Speaker 2: He'll get to the linebacker on the second level. He's
Speaker 2: got really reliable hands for the positions. He's not gonna
Speaker 2: drop targets. He's gonna make contested catches. Dallas probably not
Speaker 2: in the in the mode for you know, for a
Speaker 2: tight end. But you're gonna notice number forty four for
Speaker 2: Penn State in this football game because they use him
Speaker 2: quite a bit as a weapon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I noticed that in that last game. He's all
Speaker 4: over the field, always making plays.
Speaker 6: All right, let's move on to the Texas Ohio State
Speaker 6: the premier game of the week.
Speaker 4: Give me some guys who should be looking at.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna start in the Ohio State side. I'm
Speaker 8: gonna start with interior lineman. But he's gonna play left
Speaker 8: tackle in this game. Donovan Jackson, originally from the Houston area,
Speaker 8: was a big time recruit coming out of the Houston area.
Speaker 8: Actually covered him back in the day. From Bellair Episcopal
Speaker 8: has gone up to Ohiose State. He's a three year
Speaker 8: starter for the buck guys and has started at left
Speaker 8: guard going into every season. But after the injury to
Speaker 8: Josh Simmons on the Ohio State offensive line going into
Speaker 8: week ten, Donovan Jackson moved out to left tackle and
Speaker 8: he's he's been a versatile.
Speaker 7: Guy from them in that since.
Speaker 8: But he's gonna be the He's gonna be an interior
Speaker 8: guy at the next level, no doubt in my mind.
Speaker 8: He's got the ideal interior frame at six foot four,
Speaker 8: three hundred and twenty five pounds. He's only allowed five
Speaker 8: sacks over twelve hundred and fifty pass block snaps.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 8: Granted, two of those five sacks came against Abdul Carter
Speaker 8: in Week ten in his first start at left tackle
Speaker 8: this this past year or over this past season, so
Speaker 8: you know he's had some issues there at left tackle.
Speaker 7: But I think whenever you look at.
Speaker 8: His consistency and him being able to overwhelm one text
Speaker 8: at times that are bigger than he is. I like
Speaker 8: Donovan Jackson in the third fourth round. I think this
Speaker 8: is a guy that if if he's sitting there, especially
Speaker 8: to start Day three, Uh, that's a that's a guy
Speaker 8: you could you could package some picks together to go get.
Speaker 8: I think if you look at it from a Cowboys perspective,
Speaker 8: they probably have a hole at right guard that they
Speaker 8: want to fill going into going into the offseason.
Speaker 7: I think this could be a candidate.
Speaker 8: Looking on the other side for Texas, I this is
Speaker 8: this is my favorite player in the entire playoffs right now,
Speaker 8: and it's John A.
Speaker 7: Baron the do.
Speaker 8: It all, do it all defensive back for the Longhorns.
Speaker 8: Jim Thorpe Award winner this past season, awarded to the
Speaker 8: nation's best defensive back. He has experienced at every position
Speaker 8: in the secondary. He's been Texas's chest beasts in the
Speaker 8: secondary for the last two seasons, whether it be lining
Speaker 8: up at safety, lining up at what defensive coordinator peak
Speaker 8: quick colse he likes to call the star position, and
Speaker 8: being able to rotate between safety and nickel, kind of
Speaker 8: play in the box a little bit. He's played outside
Speaker 8: corner a lot this year, matching up with guys. Now
Speaker 8: he can struggle one on one against speed guys and
Speaker 8: I think Ohio State is going to try to isolate
Speaker 8: him and number five Malik Muhammad in this game to
Speaker 8: create one on one matchups for Jeremiah Smith, and I
Speaker 8: think that's where it could get dangerous for Texas if
Speaker 8: these are left on an island by themselves. But the
Speaker 8: one advantage that I think Baron could have over Smith
Speaker 8: is the sense that I think Baron's more physical than
Speaker 8: Smith is.
Speaker 7: Even Smith being.
Speaker 8: At six foot three, two hundred and twenty five pounds
Speaker 8: and getting comps to Julio Jones, I still think Baron
Speaker 8: can fight with him to make his day a little
Speaker 8: bit more difficult, at least more difficult than the day
Speaker 8: he had against Oregon. This is a mid to late
Speaker 8: first round guy in my opinion. If this is a
Speaker 8: situation where Dallas you know, doesn't see their guy at
Speaker 8: number twelve and they parachute back, this would be an
Speaker 8: ideal candidate to throw in the secondary, just because you're
Speaker 8: going to have a lot to figure out in the
Speaker 8: secondary going into the offseason, and this is a guy
Speaker 8: that I think is so versatile that you can place
Speaker 8: him anywhere you have a hole and you'll be all right.
Speaker 2: I'd take him at twelve. Yeah, I don't care about Paris.
Speaker 2: I take him at twelve real quick. Here, Tlink Williams,
Speaker 2: the Ohio State defensive tackle, is who I'd like to
Speaker 2: talk about. Massive time. This guy's six threes three to
Speaker 2: twenty seven defensive tackle, defensive tackle. This guy, yeah, number
Speaker 2: ninety one for and this is going to be the
Speaker 2: challenge with Majors and those guys inside for the long words,
Speaker 2: veteran offensive line. We're talking about first and second round
Speaker 2: offensive lineman on the Texas line. This will be a
Speaker 2: really good matchup because Ohio State's got some guys too.
Speaker 2: But Talak Williams is massive tackle. This guy's not sloppy
Speaker 2: at all. Powerful upper body, he can control blockers. He
Speaker 2: can stend his hands. He's he can fight single blocks,
Speaker 2: double team blocks. He's got he gets momentum going up
Speaker 2: the field. You know, there's things you got to like
Speaker 2: about him because he's a really smart player. He doesn't
Speaker 2: get fooled. Sometimes he tackles loose side of the ball
Speaker 2: to where it goes. He's really good at reading plays.
Speaker 2: He's got a relentless motor.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 2: For the position. He can get upfield as a pass rusher.
Speaker 2: I like what he does with overall though as a player, though,
Speaker 2: I just think he does so many things, so many
Speaker 2: positive things for that kind of size. He can control inside.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to say that you need to keep
Speaker 2: an eye on him. As far as the other Texas
Speaker 2: offensive lineman I need to look at. We need to
Speaker 2: talk about Kelvin Banks. I think Banks is going to play.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to play guard in the league.
Speaker 2: I think he plays, you know, white now. He plays
Speaker 2: left tackle for the Longhorns. You know, like I say,
Speaker 2: there's people in the scouting world that's projecting him to
Speaker 2: play play guard. But he's got initial quickness, but he
Speaker 2: plays with explosive power. He can handle defenders, He's got
Speaker 2: a lotteral agility. There's a lot of things can anchor
Speaker 2: down about him as well. Hold off initial punches from
Speaker 2: these edge rushers, the awareness when it comes to picking
Speaker 2: up stunts and dealing with that. I didn't see him
Speaker 2: get fooled very much. You know. There's some snaps where
Speaker 2: he tends to bend over the waist a little bit,
Speaker 2: and this might be a little bit of some hip stiffness,
Speaker 2: but he is going to be a first round player again.
Speaker 2: He's a guy at twelve, Dallas might consider taking and
Speaker 2: then also playing him at guard.
Speaker 4: Yep, which they could use the guard. But I love
Speaker 4: both those two guys.
Speaker 6: You guys mentioned from Texas have both been really good
Speaker 6: players for Texas. So interesting here you hear that, And
Speaker 6: I do think the matchup there is going to be
Speaker 6: really really interesting to look at that offensive line for
Speaker 6: Texas versus the defensive line for Ohio State.
Speaker 4: I actually think that's where the game is going to
Speaker 4: be won or lost in my opinion.
Speaker 8: Might look at some of those other ed rushers just
Speaker 8: really quick for Ohio to State, Jack Sawyer and j T.
Speaker 7: Tuamolowai.
Speaker 8: Those are some really physical power rusher. It's going to
Speaker 8: give Cam Williams and Kelvin.
Speaker 6: Banks a lot of I heard somebody say this is
Speaker 6: this will be the best defensive front Dallas is fit.
Speaker 6: I mean that I'm sorry that the Texas long hoards
Speaker 6: have faced, including Georgia. Yeah, and uh in Georgia obviously George's.
Speaker 2: Probably got better pass rushers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think second level is a lot more talent.
Speaker 2: The physicality that that that Ohio State plays with the
Speaker 2: front four is impressive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we will see all right, let's get some picks
Speaker 6: real quick. I'm gonna have y'all pick these games, and
Speaker 6: thing's gonna win these these two CFP games.
Speaker 7: So we boored Ambar. She she got out of here lunch.
Speaker 4: You know, she had to go, she had to go
Speaker 4: shoot for some moost cowboys.
Speaker 8: Uh, picks in this game. I'm going to take Penn
Speaker 8: State in the Penn State Notre Dame game. And just
Speaker 8: as a precursor, this is a complete heart pick. I
Speaker 8: am not picking from my brain. We're going Texas in
Speaker 8: the in the Cotton Bowl. But if my brain was picking,
Speaker 8: it might look a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would absolutely I'd love to see Texas win.
Speaker 2: I don't think they will. I think the matchups are
Speaker 2: going to be really difficult for them. And uh but
Speaker 2: I do like I do like Notre Dame. I do
Speaker 2: like Notre Dame and what they You know, they seem
Speaker 2: to be right now since they had that terrible loss
Speaker 2: against Nord of the Illinois. They seem to have found
Speaker 2: their way and there and you know they they don't
Speaker 2: have to they can morph into how they have to
Speaker 2: play the game. You know, the quarterback is a physical runner.
Speaker 2: They like to run the football you know, we'll see
Speaker 2: at Penn State how they play that. Penn State's on
Speaker 2: a nice little run too, So give me Notre Dame. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I think Ohio State goes on too.
Speaker 8: I remember sitting in the hotel room in Cleveland in
Speaker 8: Week one and watching Northern Illinois finish off that win
Speaker 8: and think to myself, Man, Notre Dame.
Speaker 7: Like the cooked, probably don't cooked.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, they've they've invested the wrong portal resources. This
Speaker 8: makes the Notre This makes the Texas A and M
Speaker 8: loss last week looks so much worse.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but here they are.
Speaker 6: Hey, look if Notre Dame plays like they played last week,
Speaker 6: I think they win that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think Notre Dame is getting gone on. They've gotten
Speaker 4: better and.
Speaker 2: Golden has done a nice jobs a defensive coordinator there,
Speaker 2: They've got some we talk about Watts. They have a
Speaker 2: safety there. That's a that Dallas is probably going to
Speaker 2: look at as well. Man, really really good player.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 6: And I'll say this about the Texas game. One thing
Speaker 6: I love about Sark so it gets this team ready
Speaker 6: for games when they're the Underdogy're playing better teams, which
Speaker 6: I do think on paper, I think Ohio state' is
Speaker 6: a better team, which says a lot because I think
Speaker 6: Texas has a ton of talent, but Ohio State might
Speaker 6: be the most talented team in the country. I think
Speaker 6: that they also have a little bit of that textas
Speaker 6: in them. What I mean by that is they can
Speaker 6: start reading their press clippings at time and they get
Speaker 6: a little bit enamored with their own success. And so
Speaker 6: I love the fact that everybody's talking about Ohio State
Speaker 6: has the team to beat here, and I think Texas,
Speaker 6: if I would be more concerned if everybody's talking about
Speaker 6: texts like that, because I know we have that tendency
Speaker 6: to will we will certainly start reading the press and
Speaker 6: then say, hey we're there, we arrived, and then fall
Speaker 6: flat on our face.
Speaker 2: We see how Ryan Day two and some big games. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, there's saying times some coaching decisions where you
Speaker 2: kind of like, yeah, that was a little interesting.
Speaker 4: We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 6: I think these will be some really great matchups. I
Speaker 6: love how it panned out with these two matchups. I
Speaker 6: think they're both very interesting and we'll see how it
Speaker 6: turns out. I think obviously the text is gonna win Texas.
Speaker 4: We will see all right, guys, appreciate you join us
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