1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 3: Yes? 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 4: Are you ready for a break? 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 5: Absolutely? 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 4: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: right with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us, Nick Harris and 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 4: Welcome to the show it is I'm sorry. 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 6: It's Wednesday, January eighth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty, episode 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 6: number ninety eight. We with the latest edition of Break 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 6: Relive from the SWBC Mori Studios. At the Start, presented 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 6: by LGLG is the world's number one o leaed TV 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 6: brand for eleven years in counting. See why at LG 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 6: dot com Forward slash o leed Evil. 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 4: How's everybody doing today? 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: Excellent? 20 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 4: Brian got on our Texas gear. Yeah yeah, let's look them. 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: Let's go get a win this week. 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 6: We got a lot of things I want to hit today, 23 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 6: a lot of different topics. I want to start first 24 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 6: with some conversation around the head coach, Coach McCarthy and 25 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 6: his where his future will lie, whether it's with Dallas 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 6: or with someone else. In the second segment, we're going 27 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 6: to get into a little bit of a season review. 28 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 6: I got some questions for you guys. Not sure how 29 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 6: far we'll get into that. We'll do a little bit 30 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 6: on that. And then in the final segment, I'm going 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 6: to have our Draft Show, guys, which if you didn't know, 32 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 6: yesterday was first episode of The Draft Show. 33 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 4: By the way, great show, guys. 34 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 6: I enjoyed it. I had a good time listening to it. 35 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 6: But we got some new additions to that show. But 36 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 6: the great part for the Break is got two people 37 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 6: from the Draft Show on our show. 38 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 4: So we're going to this year, we're going to try to. 39 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 6: Tap into that a little bit more and try to 40 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 6: use some of that knowledge that you guys are disseminating 41 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 6: on the Draft Show and bring it to some of 42 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 6: our folks here on the Break and maybe push some 43 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 6: of those people that listen to The Break over to 44 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 6: the Draft Show as well. 45 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 4: But in our third segment, what I want to do is. 46 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 6: We're going to focus in on the two college games 47 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 6: that are happening this week in the semifinals of College Playoff, 48 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 6: and have you guys give us some players that people 49 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 6: should watch. If you were an evaluator for the Dallas Cowboys. 50 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 6: You were thinking about players you want to be able 51 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 6: to draft. I want you to give us some names 52 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 6: of some guys that you'll be watching and as you 53 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 6: think fans should be watching this weekend. That will help 54 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 6: them be prepared I should say Thursday and Friday. That 55 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 6: will help them be better prepared for draft day when 56 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 6: it comes up for the Cowboys. 57 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 4: Perfect sounds good. 58 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 7: Let's do it all right, so let's jump in. 59 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 4: Let's start first, Coach McCarthy. 60 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 6: The reason why I wanted to talk about this right 61 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 6: now is because yesterday, I think, was when the report 62 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 6: surfaced at Chicago. Chicago bears A requested permission to interview him, 63 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 6: and now he is until January fourteenth, he is. Basically, 64 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 6: the Cowboys have exclusive rights to talk to him about 65 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 6: a future deal, and that's why Chicago had to make 66 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 6: the request. There has been a report today that the 67 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 6: Cowboys denied that request. But my question for you guys 68 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 6: is do you think that interests being drawn from other teams, 69 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 6: let's say Chicago, even if there are others, do you 70 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 6: think that affects the way that the Cowboy ways think 71 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 6: about whether they should bring him back or not? 72 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 7: You mean, does it does it kind of tell us? 73 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: Is it? 74 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying is it's it's the girlfriend 75 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 6: of boy, ex girlfriend an ex boyfan effect, right, It's 76 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 6: like you don't want him, yeah, but the moment someone 77 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 6: else shows interest, it's kind of like, should I. 78 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: Readthink that to the Dallas Cowboys? 79 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 6: Do you think that that should affect or does affect 80 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 6: maybe how the Cowboys view Mike McCarthy because there are 81 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 6: other suitors out there. 82 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 8: I don't think it should I if you're asking me, 83 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 8: and if I was, you know, one of those decision makers, 84 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 8: I don't think anything anyone else thinks about Mike McCarthy 85 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 8: should affect my opinion about you know, what he has done. 86 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 8: Just because you've seen what five seasons in Dallas looks 87 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 8: like for him and you're evaluating that for the future, 88 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 8: How does that apply to potentially bringing him back. I 89 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 8: don't think necessarily, you know, the ex girlfriend coming along 90 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 8: or a new girl coming along, should affect how I 91 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 8: feel about about my girl. You know, you're ex girl 92 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 8: exactly exactly, not talking about. 93 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 7: The current girl. Yeah yeah, yeah, hopefully she's not listening. 94 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: Right, you know, from somebody that's seen it done this 95 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: way here before. Yeah, I think it does. When you know, 96 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 2: the Joneses are very calculating in the way that they 97 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: do things as far as their team. They like to 98 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: get a lot of opinions, they talk about things, and 99 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: you know, I've always found that when somebody in the 100 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: organization is coveted, they tend to move a little quicker. 101 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, listen, we don't want to lose. You 102 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: can give a couple of examples, and dan Quinn was 103 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: taking interviews, you know, with that whole thing when he. 104 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 4: Was year before last, year before last. 105 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, it's like, wait a minute, 106 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: we don't want to lose dan Quinn. Let's make it work. 107 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: Dan Quinn's Wow. Will McClay is another one that tends 108 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: to get you know, some notoriety, some some interest, and 109 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: the jones Is find a way Okay, well let's do 110 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: this for Will and kind of help them along. So yeah, 111 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 2: they're they're they're they're a group that that likes to 112 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: like that they will negotiate with you. But what I 113 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: think makes some speed up a little bit is the 114 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: fact that when somebody else jumps into the the into 115 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: the Fray and you know, Chicago, and this is, to 116 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: be honest with you, this is I think this is 117 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: a good thing for Mike McCarthy, whether Chicago really wants 118 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: to interview him or not, I think that's a good 119 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: thing because it draws attention to like, Okay, there's potential 120 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: out there. We can't sit here and wait. We have 121 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: to kind of figure things out what we want to do. 122 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: And and I find it it will move them along 123 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: a little more. What Mike honestly needs is New Orleans 124 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: to get involved, the Jets to get involved, and you know, 125 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: some other teams to get involved in. That would really 126 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: speed the jones Is up. But I don't think this 127 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: thing is necessarily over. I think people are saying, you know, 128 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: maybe thinking about that this is, this is you know, 129 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: they're going to sign him up and all that. I mean, 130 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: it could be way wrong about this, but this could 131 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: be a negotiating ploy by the jones Is to say, Okay, 132 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: this is the kind of deal we would like for 133 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: you to do, and then Mike and then say, listen, 134 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: I really don't want to do this. And then but 135 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: now it looks like, you know, the Joneses really aren't 136 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: the bad guys. We negotiated with you, you didn't want 137 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: to deal. So we'll see how this thing plays out. 138 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are thinking this thing 139 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 2: could very well be over. I don't think it's over, 140 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: and I think there's I think there's still a long 141 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: way to go here to get this thing done. But 142 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 2: you know, at least by somebody coming after Mike McCarthy, 143 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: it kind of puts the Joneses in motion to either, 144 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 2: you know, negotiate and then they could say, Okay, this 145 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: is what we want to do, and Mike could counter 146 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: and say, well, this is what I want to do, 147 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: and if it doesn't work, then they can move on 148 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: and then we could start to talk about some other 149 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: candidates that potentially are out there, which I think the 150 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: Joneses would would welcome if it came down to that. 151 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree with Brian. I don't think it changes 152 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 9: what the Cowboys think about Mi McCarthy and their review 153 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 9: and analysis of him as a head coach and the 154 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 9: things that he's done here during his time here. But 155 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 9: it potentially changes the sense of urgency in trying to 156 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 9: get things moving along quicker and faster. Because one thing 157 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 9: we've seen time and time again, I mean the Jones 158 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 9: Jones's how do. 159 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 7: You say that? 160 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 4: Jones Jones Jones. 161 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 9: Well, the cowboys, the cowboys, they tend to do the 162 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 9: thing their own way, like they it's in their own timeline. 163 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 9: And if it's it's how we want to handle this 164 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 9: and when we want to and one thing that it 165 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 9: could be right now, why it's taking a while. We 166 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 9: haven't heard any new reports. It could be like, yes, 167 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 9: they want him back, but under what conditions? How much money? 168 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 9: How many years? Who's going to be calling the place here? 169 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 9: Who's the coaching staff with you? So I think that 170 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 9: those conversations, I mean, they can't happen that fast. If 171 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 9: they if they were to happen that quickly, I'm like, Okay, 172 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 9: we didn't really take our time here to look at it, right, 173 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 9: So no, that that's That's what I'm just saying. I 174 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 9: think hopefully they're doing their homework due diligence and taking 175 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 9: you know, a look at literally everything and coming into 176 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 9: some sort of agreement. But because I do think McCarthy 177 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 9: Ifeeve wasn't here, he could easily quote unquote find another 178 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 9: place where he could coach. 179 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is not a situation I think both 180 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 6: you guys made a fantastic point. From the standpoint, this 181 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 6: is not a one way thing. This is not just 182 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 6: the Cowboys saying here right, this is what's going to happen. 183 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 4: Right. This is a negotiation. 184 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 6: It's no different than Dak and the Cowboys negotiating, or 185 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 6: Zak and the Cowboys negotiating. 186 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: Like it is. It has to work for both parties. 187 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 6: So the Cowboys can say, here's what we would like 188 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 6: to happen in a new deal. Mike also can say, well, 189 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 6: I don't really love that. I want this in a 190 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 6: new deal. And then now it takes them negotiating to 191 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 6: figure out what am I willing to give up? What 192 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 6: are you willing to give up to get us to 193 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 6: a point we both agree if that's possible. 194 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 8: So we do all agree that the Joneses want McCarthy back, 195 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 8: just on their own terms. 196 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 7: It's just more so about the negotiation. 197 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 4: Now, I can't say that I've not been told that. 198 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 6: What I surmise is there's probably a world where they 199 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 6: could see that happening, because I think the reason why 200 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 6: you're taking the time is because there's nothing like if 201 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 6: they were convinced he's not the answer, then this would 202 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 6: have already been done. 203 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 4: I believe they would already been done. 204 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 6: The fact that they're having conversation says to me there 205 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 6: are some things that they're trying to talk about and 206 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 6: figure out on both sides, to figure out if this 207 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 6: is the right fit moving forward. And that's why I 208 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 6: think this is going to take some time. Not a 209 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 6: long time because by the fourteenth he's a free agent, 210 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 6: but it's going to take some time for them to 211 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 6: work through this process of. 212 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 9: What I would to anyone who heard the press conference 213 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 9: from that last game where my McCarthy talked to the media. 214 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 9: The way he spoke, he made it sound like he's 215 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 9: wanting to stay here in Dallas and keep building on 216 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 9: what he's done so far, and the way he portrayed 217 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 9: and responded everything just made you feel like someone who's 218 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 9: willing to stick around on the right terms and keep 219 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 9: working at it and give this another go. I don't 220 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 9: know if you guys got anything else, whether or not, 221 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 9: or from Jerry when he was talking to the media too. 222 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 9: I mean he talked I don't know how long fortnutes, 223 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, it was a long time. 224 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 6: I know we went in locker room talk to players 225 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 6: came out. 226 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a while. 227 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 228 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 8: The one quote that stood out for me for from 229 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 8: from Jerry was the determining and the negotiation is all 230 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 8: one motion, and so that that kind of made me 231 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 8: think that explain that the determining quote if McCarthy is 232 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 8: back and then negotiating with McCarthy is all one motion. 233 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 8: That tells me that they want to negotiate under their 234 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 8: terms and that determines if he's going to be back. 235 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 8: And that was that was the big quote that really 236 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 8: stood out to me from from Jerry's availability. 237 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 6: Which means that's going to take some time for them. 238 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 6: It's not just saying he's worthy of being back, it's 239 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 6: he's worthy of being back under whatever circumstances they think 240 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 6: are necessary. 241 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you know, the Joneses, could you know, 242 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: they they've also they like to be and it's not selecting, 243 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: it's you know they as the general manager, you have 244 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: the ability to offer suggestions for staff, you know, and 245 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: and they've got a decision, you know, with with Mike Zimmer, 246 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 2: you know, do you want to go into another year 247 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: where hey, they've changed the coordinator now again, you know, 248 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: you continually changing coordinators and. 249 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 4: That's the fourth defensive coordinator in five years, six years. 250 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So they they're probably thinking about, Okay, if 251 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: you know, if Mike Zimmer doesn't come back, this would 252 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: be our suggestion. You know, do you have an idea? 253 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 2: What you know? And then you kind of go back 254 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 2: and forth, back and forth. They got to talk about 255 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: the staff. They got to talk about like we've talked 256 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: about potentially the play call and stuff. You know, if 257 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: not you who you know, And there's there's there's there's 258 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 2: a long I think there's a long road. And you know, 259 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: if you've got about a week to get this done 260 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: and and you know, we'll see. I mean, like I said, 261 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: I I do think the fact that the Bears did 262 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: ask permission at least pushed things in a way that 263 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: you you know, you could have wait. He could have 264 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: waited all the way up until two days before Mike 265 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: was free and said okay, let's start talking about this, 266 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: because we've seen how they've negotiated some deals with dak C, 267 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: d Zach Martin. I mean, they've waited on some deals. 268 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: So yeah, let's do this. 269 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 6: I'm gonna go ahead and take our first break when 270 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 6: we come back. 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We couldn't get everybody here. 357 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: So can I make a public service announcement? 358 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: Yeah? 359 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: Sure, Brian, watch and I will have you covered on 360 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: a podcast if you guys want to pap in. 361 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 4: You're talking at that from home, right, we do it 362 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 4: from home. 363 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 6: That from home, But no will We will try everything 364 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 6: we can to get those shows on the air. But 365 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 6: if it doesn't work out, then we'll figure it out 366 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 6: and we'll hopefully maybe what we'll do is get an 367 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 6: extra show next week or something. 368 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 4: We'll figure it out. 369 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 6: All right, So let's jump back in talking about Mike McCarthy. 370 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 6: There are three things that I think are in my 371 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 6: mind the three things that as a part of evaluating 372 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 6: whether he should come back, if I were Jerry, I 373 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 6: would evaluate. So I'm gonna throw those things three things 374 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 6: to you, and we're going to talk about each of 375 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 6: the three, and once we finish talking about them, then 376 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 6: i'm gonna have you guys kind of put them in 377 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 6: order of how you would rank them in relative importance. 378 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 6: Let's start first with replacement options. I think in any 379 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 6: decision you're making where you're talking about a particular position, 380 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 6: you have to think about who's out there and available 381 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 6: to you relative to who you already have to know 382 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 6: whether it's worth a move or not. Are there any 383 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 6: specific names out there that intrigue you more than Mike 384 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 6: McCarthy as a head coach? 385 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: Here ones you could actually get. 386 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 6: Yes, it would need to be a realistic like obviously 387 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 6: you wouldn't say yeah, go get you know, Mike Tomlin, 388 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 6: like it's somebody that's realistic. 389 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: Talk to be traded for these guys. Now, by the way, I've. 390 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 6: Heard that, can we say names not under contract? That's 391 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 6: why we're leaving those that are currently coaches? 392 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 7: So said yes or no question? 393 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm saying we're not talking We're not 394 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 4: talking about coaches that are currently coaching. We're talking about 395 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 4: people that are out there. 396 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 6: Are there any names of coaches that you would look 397 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 6: at and you'd be like, that would be an intriguing 398 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 6: person that I would think about if I were looking 399 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 6: for a head coach for the doubts. 400 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 8: I'm with you now, my bad Mike Vrabel and Pete 401 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 8: Carroll I think are two very interesting. 402 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 4: Carol, really, I think so. 403 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 8: Yes, he's his age, Yes he's old, but he's fit, 404 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 8: he's good, he's good going. 405 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: I think looking good looking. 406 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 8: I was just a good looking You're right, but that's 407 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 8: a good going. 408 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 7: But he's got ten more years here, He's got ten 409 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 7: more years. 410 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 4: Think, yeah, what is he like seventy's like seventy. 411 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 8: One, seventy two, Yeah, seventy three, seventy three, he's got 412 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 8: he's got eight more years of You think coaches like running, 413 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 8: He's like running every morning. 414 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 15: My brain is all already starting to do crazy things 415 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 15: in life. I don't think that's true, but I just 416 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 15: think that I just think that's a lot. 417 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 8: But Mike Rabel is the more interesting name than I 418 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 8: think any any than any of them. But you look 419 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 8: at the Patriots opening, that was make so much sense. 420 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 8: It makes so much sense for him. 421 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 422 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, if the Patriots wouldn't have moved on from their 423 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 2: coach with Mayo being let out, Vrabel would be the 424 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: clear number one of the of the guys that are available. Yeah, 425 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we probably can't talk about college guys, 426 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: right or anything like that? 427 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 6: Can we college guy that interests you like that? I would, 428 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 6: I would, That's fine, you could throw out. 429 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: I just was just was curious. But there's some I 430 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: think that Rabel makes the most sense where you're going 431 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: to I think you're going to do. Where you're going 432 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 2: to do the most, You're going to do the most 433 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: good is with guys that are currently with teams, you know. 434 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: I think those are the guys. 435 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: That if you were trying to trade for if you 436 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 4: were trying. 437 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, or if you were just if you know, if 438 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: if you ask for a window interview, you know, if 439 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 2: you if you catch them in their their interview windows 440 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. 441 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 9: I don't realize McCarthy was sixty one years old. 442 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 4: Still young, sixty one young? 443 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 9: No, sure it is. 444 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 6: I mean I'm trying my guess, Like, what are you 445 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 6: trying to say? 446 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 7: Halfway there? 447 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: You're off seventy two? 448 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 9: I said for certain jobs, okay. 449 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: A podcast with certain. 450 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 9: Jobs are like they they're draining, and especially look at 451 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 9: the media, like being the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. 452 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 9: I mean that has to be draining. 453 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 4: It has to do you think it ages people? 454 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 9: Sure does? I mean there are certain jobs that I'm 455 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 9: That's why I'm saying I'm for certain things, certain specific positions. 456 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 9: How old is he. 457 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 2: He's think he's younger than me. I think he's probably. 458 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 9: I mean, he wore the same thing every day. No, 459 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 9: but I'm that's not a you never smell bad, he's 460 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 9: he would shower. 461 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, saying years. 462 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 4: He doesn't. 463 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't age like most coaches do on 464 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: these under these circumstances, you know, to an interesting guy 465 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: would be uh, and he just lost his job. I 466 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: guess we could talk about it was Doug Peterson. You know, 467 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: if you if you talk about you know Doug Peterson 468 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: as a super Bowl winning coach. 469 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 14: Uh. 470 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: The thing with Doug Peterson to me is, I think 471 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: his offensive is I think he's got a really good 472 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: offensive mind. I think he'd be creative. I do worry 473 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 2: a little bit about the D game management stuff. That 474 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: would be probably something that would turn people off a 475 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: little bit. But if you're talking about guys that just 476 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 2: lost their jobs, you know he would be one just 477 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: because of the because we've seen him have some success. 478 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: It's unfortunately what happened in Jacksonville. I thought he was 479 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: going to get that thing turned around the right way. 480 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: But you know, they they they lost some bad games 481 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: and then this year was just really bad overall. But 482 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: there's a guy that does have you know, if the 483 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: Joneses are looking for a guy that does have a 484 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: Super Bowl win, you know, that's good. 485 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 7: I'm not sure if that's necessarily an upgrade over McCarthy. 486 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I feel no. No, I I've known Doug 487 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: for a long time, you know, uh no, no, No, 488 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 2: Doug and I Doug and I have known. John Gruden 489 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: is another one that you know that if you wanted 490 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 2: to talk about now what the thing with John Gruden 491 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: would be with the thing with John and I've known 492 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: John a long time. John has the idea of old 493 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: school running game. But I think John, and talking to him, 494 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: really understands now that an offense you have to attack 495 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 2: these defenses a certain way. And I think he's adapted 496 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: some of his thinking. But his running game I think 497 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: travels now. Don't let John pick players, you know, that's 498 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 2: where John's at a disadvantage. John. John would love these 499 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: guys because they'll they'll pick players, but John would get involved. 500 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 2: But I think the offensive side of things, I mean, 501 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: he's tough on his players, demanding that kind of stuff. 502 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 2: You know, Jerry was asked about him. I think you 503 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: guys asked about him in the Median and he basically said, well, John, 504 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: and we're friends with John and stuff like that. But 505 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: if you gave me a choice of those kinds of guys, 506 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: I'd take John over Doug. But you know, those are 507 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 2: those are coaches that I think that that have a 508 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: super Bowl pedigree that you know, would someone would probably 509 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: want to talk to. 510 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the interesting part about all this for me 511 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 6: is regardless of what and we'll get to these other 512 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 6: two areas, these other two factors, But I just don't 513 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 6: right now see another person out there that I'm looking 514 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 6: at and I'm saying, that's a clear upgrade over Mike McCarthy. 515 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 6: I look at it and I say, Mike McCarthy, what 516 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 6: he's done so far just me that he's. 517 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 4: A good coach. 518 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 6: There are some areas that have to improve, I think, 519 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 6: no doubt about it. But it tells me he's a 520 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 6: good coach. And I think for a lot of those 521 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 6: other names, I'm like, I don't know that I say 522 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 6: that they're a better coach, right those are really And 523 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 6: I'm thinking right now, I'm drawing a blank harball. When 524 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 6: he was coming out of UH when he's leaving Michigan 525 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 6: to go to the Chargers, I remember having a conversation 526 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 6: with somebody I was like, charge is gonna turn around quick. 527 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 4: You look at that man's history. He turned programs. 528 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 6: Around like it's not you don't have anybody, in my opinion, 529 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 6: in this cycle that's like that, that level of coach 530 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 6: to where you've seen in his history he goes somewhere 531 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 6: and when he shows up, it's like Parcels. When Parcels 532 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 6: showed up somewhere, you knew the team was gonna get better. 533 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 6: It's the same thing with Harball. And I don't know 534 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 6: that there's anybody out there right now in this cycle 535 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 6: that I feel like that about. 536 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 7: You know, college coaches. 537 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 4: That I feel like that about should go hider. 538 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 7: Nick Saban's fun. 539 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: Ambro get upset the fact he's seventy. Yeah right, let's see. 540 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, you know you you could not be an 541 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 4: HR person. Let's just put it like, he. 542 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: Just could not do that. 543 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 9: If you give me something else, there are certain jobs 544 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 9: that I need, you I need more. It's just it's sorry. Sorry, 545 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 9: We're all getting there at one point. 546 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 2: But hopefully you know I'll say this. You know, I 547 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: think what I think what set some college coaches back, 548 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: unfortunately in the in the NFL, is what happened with 549 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: urban Meyer Jacksonville. 550 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, a very accomplished college. 551 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: Urban Meyer is a guy that And if you and 552 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: here's to your example. Everywhere urban Meyer has been he's won. 553 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: He wanted Bowling Green, he wanted Utah, he wanted Florida, 554 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: he wanted Ohio State. You talk about a program builder, 555 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: but if you don't have the people's skills and you 556 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: know all the things in college, you can get away 557 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 2: with things. You could be a bully. As long as 558 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: you're winning, you could bully people and and and be 559 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: just fine. The minute you start losing. Look what happened 560 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: to Look what happened to Bill Belichick in New England. 561 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: Once Bill Belichick started losing, being a bully wasn't cool anymore. 562 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: Like there were questions about his job. Is he losing it? 563 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 2: And I saw the same thing with Tom Landry here. 564 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: Not that Tom Landry was a bully, but you start 565 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 2: to lose that at the end. And you know, it's 566 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: amazing how parallel Tom Landry and Bill Belichick's careers are 567 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: with what happened to them in the last four years 568 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 2: of their great, great legendary coaches. But when all of 569 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: a sudden, when personnel and decisions and things and coaching 570 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 2: hires all start to go backwards on you. You're no 571 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 2: longer the darling anymore. 572 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 4: Hard sort to reverse that, hard to reverse that. Yeah, 573 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 4: all right, let's move onto that. 574 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 6: The next factor, The next factor has it have is 575 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 6: his overall record. This is a man who has gone 576 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 6: He went six and ten the first year, which was 577 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 6: the COVID year, which, say what you want, I tend 578 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 6: to give a little bit more of a pass on 579 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 6: a COVID year as a first year coach. But he 580 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 6: went six and ten that year, then had three seasons 581 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 6: where they were twelve and five, and then they had 582 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 6: this last season where they were seven and ten. Let 583 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 6: me ask you the first question is what are the 584 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 6: similarities you think it exists between the losing season versus 585 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 6: the winning season? 586 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 4: What were the things? Can can you draw on anything that. 587 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 6: Gives you some insight as to why he had such 588 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 6: these drastic swings from you know, the six win season 589 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 6: and the seven win season all the way to twelve 590 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 6: win seasons for three years in a row. 591 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 592 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 8: You look at the injuries that he dealt with in 593 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 8: both of those losing seasons, specifically with Dak Prescott. 594 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 7: You could look back to this past year and see. 595 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 8: DeMarcus Lawrence factored in that Ceedee Lamb not being one 596 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 8: hundred percent losing Zach Martin. And then in twenty twenty 597 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 8: also he was dealing with a defensive side of the 598 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 8: ball that was an absolute mess and heard that was friends, yeah, 599 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 8: and that was that was correct to going into twenty one. So, 600 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 8: you know, the the I think the consistencies that you 601 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 8: can find though between the twelve and five seasons and 602 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 8: the losing seasons is an inability to win the big game, 603 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 8: you know, whether it be a big game in the 604 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 8: regular season. 605 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 7: Granted there were a couple of big wins in there. 606 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 8: You know, I think of that Sunday night win in 607 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 8: Minnesota with Cooper Rush's quarterback. You know, I think of 608 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 8: I think of the Seahawks game last year. That was 609 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 8: a big win at a good time last year. But 610 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 8: I all, winning the big game never really came with 611 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 8: a lot of consistency, and I think that's going to 612 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 8: be the biggest indictment if you look back and McCarthy's 613 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 8: not the head coach. 614 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: In a week. The biggest question I have with Mike 615 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: right now, and maybe this about injury. Why did your 616 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 2: offense just completely fall off the map from one year 617 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: to the next, you know, and maybe it. 618 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 4: Was from last year to this year. 619 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, why why all of a sudden you have a 620 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 2: MVP quarterback to basically and even with him playing, they 621 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: just weren't very good. What was the I like to know. 622 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: I wonder what his in the staff study on that 623 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: was why? 624 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 7: I potentially try to answer that for Ahead. 625 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 8: I think when Dak was in the equation, they had 626 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 8: zero running game. They could not figure out that running 627 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 8: game until well after Dak was gone. And then by 628 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 8: the time Dak was or by the time that running 629 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 8: back or the running game got itself figured out, then 630 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 8: you're dealing with the Cooks injury, so you really only 631 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 8: have one passing option. I think it is a personalel 632 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 8: based in some ways, but it was really a product 633 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 8: of the run game not being as as productive as 634 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 8: Dak needed it to be. 635 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 6: Was it that they couldn't figure it out, just weren't 636 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 6: using it because it seemed like early in the season 637 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 6: the volume wasn't there, let alone whether they were successful 638 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 6: that they just didn't have the volume in the running game, right. 639 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: They just they won. They won that game, and I 640 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 2: believe Week five against Pittsburgh by doing the exactly what 641 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 2: they needed to do and they just never And then 642 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: oddly we get the inactive Rico Dabdle against San Francisco 643 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: and it's just to me, I wonder just what was 644 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 2: the what was the disconnect there? 645 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 14: Why? 646 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 6: Why? 647 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: I mean, you're right about the running game stuff, but 648 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: why was the offense? Just why were you like every 649 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: time you know, you got in the red zone, you scored, 650 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: and this year you couldn't get you get in the 651 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: red zone all even was kicking field goals? Yeah, you know, 652 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: so I wonder where to me that was? 653 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: That? 654 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: To me is the biggest question I have about Mike McCarthy. 655 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons I'm okay with Mike McCarthy 656 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: coming back. I just don't want to go through again 657 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: this year. What were next year? What we went through 658 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: this year with that, with the offense and stuff, you know, 659 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: the questions and things. 660 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, it makes it worse when we sit here do 661 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 9: show after show and talk about it. And that's what 662 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 9: drives me nuts sometimes. And I say this, I've said 663 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 9: this before, how we from a viewer, analysts, fan perspective, 664 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 9: we see certain things, but then they don't, or based 665 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 9: on what they show week after week, it doesn't seem 666 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 9: to be processing or they're watching the same things that 667 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 9: we're watching or talking about. And that was the most 668 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 9: frustrating part of this whole thing, because I doubt I 669 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 9: mean zech Martin coming out. We saw how much that 670 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 9: affected the running game and what the offensive line was doing. 671 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 9: But at the same time, I think if you stuck 672 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 9: to it and actually gave those opportunities to a guy 673 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 9: like Rico, there could have been something some type of 674 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 9: production to hopefully balance things out or at least try 675 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 9: it out and see what was happening. But sometimes it's 676 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 9: just like they just keep doing the same thing over 677 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 9: and over and over, even though when it's not working out. 678 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 9: So that is my biggest thing, and we keep saying, 679 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 9: I'm okay with him coming back as a head coach, 680 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 9: I just want somebody else as a play color completely. 681 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the third thing. It's playoff performance. 682 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 6: And obviously this has been the big achilles heel Achilles 683 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 6: heel for them. 684 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 4: Here's an interesting question. I thought of that act. 685 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 6: I want to get here for the last thirty years, Well, 686 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 6: that's exactly where I was going How much blame do 687 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 6: you give him for the playoff record when this has 688 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 6: been an ongoing problem going back to Chan Gaily, Bill Parcells, 689 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 6: Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, They've all had playoff. 690 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 4: Teams that have all fallen short. 691 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 6: How much do you hold him accountable for what it 692 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 6: seems like this has been an ongoing problem with a 693 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 6: lot of coaches, a lot of good coaches. 694 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: Well, this is what you also have to say. I 695 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: think Will McClay does a really good job of building 696 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: a team that can win your division. Where I think 697 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: they've missed the boat. And this includes the coaches, because 698 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: the coaches do have a say in what happens with 699 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: personnel here. They don't have a team that's built to 700 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: win the conference. That's the problem, in my opinion. 701 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 4: They don't explain that a little bit more. 702 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: They don't have a team that could go and be 703 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: tough against San Francisco, go or go bite kneecaps in Detroit, 704 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: or go win a game in the cold and Green Bay. 705 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: They don't have that team. They have a team that's 706 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: very competitive to play against Philadelphia, beat the Giants up 707 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: all day. You know, the Commanders, I mean the Commanders 708 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: are better now because they've got a quarterback. But you're 709 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: a team that's built to win the division, and then 710 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you have to go play some 711 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: of these other teams. You go play in Miami, you 712 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: go play a Buffalo, you go play somebody else, and 713 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: you get embarrassed because your team is not built. But 714 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 2: the head coach has to say in how this roster is, 715 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: I just don't think. I think they're built perfectly to 716 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: win the East. I don't think they're perfectly built to 717 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: win the NFC the conference. I just don't. And I 718 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: think that's something that they have to look at really strongly. 719 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: Right now, your team is just not good enough. You 720 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: watch those games. We all watch those games. Man, It's 721 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: like you're thinking, there's no way Dallas can compete in 722 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: this game right now. You know when you watch this, 723 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: you know Detroit play Buffalo or somebody like that. These 724 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: two teams just look home much better than you right now. Physical, 725 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: more physical, yeah, built built to built to win the division? 726 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 4: Is that about the people themselves or how they're coached? 727 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: I think it's I and I include the coach, because 728 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: the coach has to say that's the only reason. 729 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 6: But I'm saying, though, what's more important is it you 730 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 6: have to get the right mentality type guys to play 731 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 6: that football, or is it that they're being coached in 732 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 6: a way that makes them tough? 733 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: Look what look what Shanahan does with his guys. I 734 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 2: know this year was a bad year. They went through 735 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: a lot of terrible injuries too, But look at how 736 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: Detroit's turned things around. They've gotten better players, their offensive line, 737 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: they they lose everybody on defense and they still are 738 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: number one seed. I mean, they lost they lost their 739 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: their their their Hutchinson the day they played Dallas that 740 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: seemed like years ago. Didn't miss a be did not 741 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: fall apart, and then they had more injuries along the way. 742 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,719 Speaker 2: Lose their runner, they don't fall apart. 743 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 8: They picked up alfau Camino or Africomino. That's a basketball player, 744 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 8: uh alchemy, But yeah, that was bad. Al Kadi Muhammad 745 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 8: who the Cowboys released after camp and he has three 746 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 8: secs in the last five games like that. 747 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 7: That just hurts. 748 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: See, that's that's so saying, though you just you you 749 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: wonder like with and I think Mike the culture thing 750 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: and all that you know it to me, it was 751 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: disappointing to hear about the whole thing with Zeke missing 752 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: meetings and stuff, because to me, Zeke missing meetings or 753 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: being laid or whatever he was doing, I wish Mike 754 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: would have just moved on from him. Just move on, 755 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: you know. And maybe maybe he tried to. Maybe they 756 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 2: maybe they they didn't want to move on from him, 757 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: But I don't know. But I just think this team 758 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: is they're built to win the division. They're not built 759 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: to win the conference. And that's why you don't have 760 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 2: playoff success because you're not You're not that that team 761 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: that was second overall last year, let's be honest, caught 762 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: some breaks, caught some breaks with Philly falling apart and 763 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: some other things going crazy. You get the second seed, 764 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: and now you go play a team that's that was 765 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: fighting for their playoff lives and you get handled it home. 766 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: You're not built the right way. 767 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's take our final break. 768 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 6: We'll come back and we want to talk about these 769 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 6: college games coming up. So you guys gonna give us 770 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 6: some players that we should watch this Thursday and Friday 771 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 6: that may be of ventures or should be of interest 772 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 6: to the Dallas Cowboys when it comes Draft Day. 773 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 4: We'll talk about that when we come back. 774 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 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And so what I 837 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 6: thought we would do is give our draft show experts 838 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 6: an opportunity to give you some names to watch some 839 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 6: guys that will be playing in those games. 840 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 9: If Texas was not playing, would we be having this segment. 841 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 6: We would absolutely be having a segment because it's very 842 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 6: important to me to give our fans the most insight 843 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 6: that we can give them about football and about the Cowboys, 844 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 6: and so we would certainly be talking. 845 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 7: I was like, Oh, this is gonna be good. 846 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely, no, Amber, I would not be talking about it. 847 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 2: A matter of fact, I'm going to watch the game 848 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: and I need to know a couple of guys to 849 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: look out. All right, That's why I'm doing this. 850 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 4: Let's start with Notre Dame versus Men's Day. 851 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 6: Give me some guys that will be playing this Thursday 852 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 6: night that you think should be or could be. 853 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 4: Of interest to the Cowboys come drafted. 854 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll give a defensive lineman for both sides. I'll 855 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 8: start with I'll start with Notre Dame defensive tackle Howard 856 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 8: Cross the thirties and three tech kind of an undersized 857 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 8: three tech, but he's a state champion wrestler. 858 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 7: Does this ring a bell? 859 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 4: Leverage? 860 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 2: Does this ring? 861 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 7: Does this ring a bell? 862 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 4: Here? 863 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 7: It sounds like osa odigizua. 864 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 2: Uh. 865 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 8: He was a wrestler from his from his high school 866 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 8: days and has been an undersized three tech but has 867 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 8: understood leverage, like you said, really well. The same goes 868 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 8: for Howard Cross, not only with leverage but power distribution. 869 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 8: He he does so well with that that it overcomes 870 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 8: his physical limitations. He can clog some gaps in the 871 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 8: run game. Now, granted, I don't think there's a lot 872 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 8: of consistency in him getting active in the pass rush 873 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 8: or the run game because whenever he gets active, he 874 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 8: can just get double teamed. And when he gets double teamed, 875 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 8: he gets overwhelmed. But I think that's why he's more 876 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 8: so a Day three pick. I put him in about 877 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 8: the fifth round from from my initial viewing. But a 878 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 8: guy that lines up at three tech for Notre Dame 879 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 8: and has has been active for them on the Penn 880 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 8: State side, this is gonna be a top ten pick. 881 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 8: Abdul Carter. Now, granted he got hurt in their quarter 882 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 8: final win over Boise State, but it looks like he's 883 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 8: gonna be be playing tomorrow night in the in the 884 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 8: Orange Bowl. Abdul Carter is an interesting interesting cat when 885 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,479 Speaker 8: you when you factor in the Cowboys aspect of things, 886 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 8: because over the offseason he wanted to take he wanted 887 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 8: to take his game to another level. 888 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 7: He reached out to Michael Parsons. 889 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 8: He said, Hey, what did you do in the offseason 890 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 8: here at Penn State that really helped your game going 891 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 8: into your final year. And he completely replicated that over 892 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 8: this past offseason and he lost some bad weight that 893 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 8: he had, and he's put a lot of focus into 894 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 8: speed rush moves. And he's a speed rusher and the 895 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 8: body of a power rusher in the sense that he's 896 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 8: six foot three, two hundred and sixty pounds, but he 897 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 8: moves like he's two thirty five, and he can get 898 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 8: around the He can get around the edge in a hurry. 899 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 8: He uses the really an intense speed that he has 900 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 8: to get around. This is going to be a guy 901 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 8: that I think is going to be four four or 902 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 8: five at the combine. 903 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 7: It's led to eleven sacks. 904 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 8: It's led to eleven sacks and twenty two tackles for 905 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 8: loss as a senior. This is one of the more 906 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 8: talented defensive prospects in this entire draft. I have him 907 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 8: as a top ten pick. I think something would have 908 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 8: to happen for him to slip at twelve. But yeah, 909 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 8: there's a lot of time. 910 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 2: As we need the gas now. 911 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,280 Speaker 8: I was just about to say. 912 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 7: Situation, but this is a really player and if you 913 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 7: have any dirt on him, let me know. 914 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 2: That's at the draft show. 915 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 7: But he wears number eleven. 916 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 8: It's it's it's funny because it looks like Michael Parsons, 917 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 8: except if Michael Parsons ate a bag of burgers, you know. 918 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 7: So yeah, it's it's funny. Yeah. 919 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 6: When you were first describing him, I'm like, yeah, he 920 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 6: ain't gonna be there at twelve. 921 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 2: Now when you when you when you when you beat 922 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 2: the Commanders and then beat the Bucks, Yeah you lost, 923 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 2: you lost. 924 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 7: Who's who's to say they don't maybe trade up grab 925 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 7: a guy. 926 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: Like I'm with you, man, he is. He's the best 927 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,959 Speaker 2: you can get, right and the best. He's the best 928 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 2: edge player in the draft. And I think Nick nailed 929 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 2: him perfectly. 930 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 16: Uh. 931 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about a couple of kids. I 932 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 2: want to mention just a couple of players that are 933 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 2: that are hurt and not gonna play, but I think 934 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 2: they're going to factor into the Cowboys. I'm gonna mention 935 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 2: a couple of names. There's a corner named Benjamin Morrison, 936 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 2: who plays at Notre Dame and a six foot one 937 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 2: and ninety corner pound corner man. You talk about outstanding movement, 938 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 2: the quickness, plays both sides, all these things. There's a 939 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 2: fluidness to his game and I think a lot of teams. 940 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 2: He is coming off a hip injury. He heard his 941 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 2: hip in the season and it cost him an opportunity 942 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 2: to play the rest of the scene. He got hurt 943 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 2: in the Louisville game. This kid comes from a sports family. 944 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 2: His dad was Daryl Morrison, who was a safety with 945 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 2: the Commanders. His sisters, his brothers and sisters were all 946 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 2: scholarship athletes. His sisters were champion gymnasts and stuff like that. 947 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 2: This kid's really but he's hurt, he's not gonna play. 948 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 2: But watched the name Benjamin Morris. I think he's a 949 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 2: first round corner out of Notre Dame. And then the 950 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 2: second thing I won. The second guy I would like 951 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 2: to mention is a safety, a free safety. And this 952 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 2: is for Penn State. It's kJ Winston and he's not 953 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 2: going to play now. He hurt his knee in a 954 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 2: game at the very first game of the season, like 955 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 2: West Virginian, and they were getting ready for Bowling Green. 956 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 2: But here's a guy that's a two year starter at 957 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 2: Penn State. He's a rangy, physical, firstle, really good football player. 958 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: When you start to talk about these guys that can tackle, 959 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,760 Speaker 2: this guy misses like two percent of his tackles missed. 960 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 2: That's it. He's one of the best in the country 961 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,479 Speaker 2: when it comes to tackling. Six two, two oh five. 962 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 2: You know, can cover, takes tight ends out of the game, 963 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 2: deliver a blow. Physical guy. Dallas is looking for a 964 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 2: free safety. This is a guy you're thinking about in 965 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,439 Speaker 2: the second round. Sorry, two guys are not gonna play. 966 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 2: But when we start talking about draft coverage and get 967 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 2: a little bit more extensive, these are guys that are 968 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 2: I think are going to. 969 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 6: Be in play coming off of Andrew perfect pick for 970 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,399 Speaker 6: Dallas in the second round. 971 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely Okay. Now I'm gonna give you a guy that 972 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 2: is going to play in this football game. Tight end 973 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 2: Tyler Warren from Penn State. And he's six six, he's 974 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 2: two fifty seven. He's gonna line up all over the place. 975 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 2: He's plays sometimes he plays when you see him flexed. 976 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 2: You'll see him play as a wide receiver, see him 977 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 2: play as a wildcat. He catches the ball really really easily. 978 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 2: For this he could be a tough runner with the 979 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 2: ball in his hands. He can make tacklers missing space. 980 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 2: They use him in the red zone. He finds spots. 981 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 2: He's got awareness. There's so much about him. You see him. 982 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 2: He'll knock a linebacker, he'll knock a defensive lineman down. 983 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 2: He'll get to the linebacker on the second level. He's 984 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 2: got really reliable hands for the positions. He's not gonna 985 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 2: drop targets. He's gonna make contested catches. Dallas probably not 986 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 2: in the in the mode for you know, for a 987 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 2: tight end. But you're gonna notice number forty four for 988 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 2: Penn State in this football game because they use him 989 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 2: quite a bit as a weapon. 990 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I noticed that in that last game. He's all 991 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 4: over the field, always making plays. 992 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,839 Speaker 6: All right, let's move on to the Texas Ohio State 993 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 6: the premier game of the week. 994 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 4: Give me some guys who should be looking at. 995 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna start in the Ohio State side. I'm 996 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 8: gonna start with interior lineman. But he's gonna play left 997 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 8: tackle in this game. Donovan Jackson, originally from the Houston area, 998 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 8: was a big time recruit coming out of the Houston area. 999 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 8: Actually covered him back in the day. From Bellair Episcopal 1000 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 8: has gone up to Ohiose State. He's a three year 1001 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 8: starter for the buck guys and has started at left 1002 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 8: guard going into every season. But after the injury to 1003 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 8: Josh Simmons on the Ohio State offensive line going into 1004 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 8: week ten, Donovan Jackson moved out to left tackle and 1005 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 8: he's he's been a versatile. 1006 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 7: Guy from them in that since. 1007 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,760 Speaker 8: But he's gonna be the He's gonna be an interior 1008 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 8: guy at the next level, no doubt in my mind. 1009 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 8: He's got the ideal interior frame at six foot four, 1010 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 8: three hundred and twenty five pounds. He's only allowed five 1011 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 8: sacks over twelve hundred and fifty pass block snaps. 1012 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 2: Now. 1013 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,439 Speaker 8: Granted, two of those five sacks came against Abdul Carter 1014 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 8: in Week ten in his first start at left tackle 1015 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 8: this this past year or over this past season, so 1016 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 8: you know he's had some issues there at left tackle. 1017 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 7: But I think whenever you look at. 1018 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 8: His consistency and him being able to overwhelm one text 1019 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 8: at times that are bigger than he is. I like 1020 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 8: Donovan Jackson in the third fourth round. I think this 1021 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 8: is a guy that if if he's sitting there, especially 1022 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 8: to start Day three, Uh, that's a that's a guy 1023 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 8: you could you could package some picks together to go get. 1024 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 8: I think if you look at it from a Cowboys perspective, 1025 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 8: they probably have a hole at right guard that they 1026 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 8: want to fill going into going into the offseason. 1027 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 7: I think this could be a candidate. 1028 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 8: Looking on the other side for Texas, I this is 1029 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 8: this is my favorite player in the entire playoffs right now, 1030 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 8: and it's John A. 1031 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 7: Baron the do. 1032 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,800 Speaker 8: It all, do it all defensive back for the Longhorns. 1033 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 8: Jim Thorpe Award winner this past season, awarded to the 1034 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,240 Speaker 8: nation's best defensive back. He has experienced at every position 1035 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 8: in the secondary. He's been Texas's chest beasts in the 1036 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 8: secondary for the last two seasons, whether it be lining 1037 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,919 Speaker 8: up at safety, lining up at what defensive coordinator peak 1038 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 8: quick colse he likes to call the star position, and 1039 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 8: being able to rotate between safety and nickel, kind of 1040 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,800 Speaker 8: play in the box a little bit. He's played outside 1041 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,280 Speaker 8: corner a lot this year, matching up with guys. Now 1042 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 8: he can struggle one on one against speed guys and 1043 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 8: I think Ohio State is going to try to isolate 1044 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 8: him and number five Malik Muhammad in this game to 1045 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 8: create one on one matchups for Jeremiah Smith, and I 1046 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 8: think that's where it could get dangerous for Texas if 1047 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 8: these are left on an island by themselves. But the 1048 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 8: one advantage that I think Baron could have over Smith 1049 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 8: is the sense that I think Baron's more physical than 1050 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:08,360 Speaker 8: Smith is. 1051 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 7: Even Smith being. 1052 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 8: At six foot three, two hundred and twenty five pounds 1053 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 8: and getting comps to Julio Jones, I still think Baron 1054 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 8: can fight with him to make his day a little 1055 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 8: bit more difficult, at least more difficult than the day 1056 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 8: he had against Oregon. This is a mid to late 1057 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 8: first round guy in my opinion. If this is a 1058 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 8: situation where Dallas you know, doesn't see their guy at 1059 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 8: number twelve and they parachute back, this would be an 1060 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 8: ideal candidate to throw in the secondary, just because you're 1061 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 8: going to have a lot to figure out in the 1062 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 8: secondary going into the offseason, and this is a guy 1063 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 8: that I think is so versatile that you can place 1064 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,359 Speaker 8: him anywhere you have a hole and you'll be all right. 1065 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 2: I'd take him at twelve. Yeah, I don't care about Paris. 1066 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 2: I take him at twelve real quick. Here, Tlink Williams, 1067 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 2: the Ohio State defensive tackle, is who I'd like to 1068 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 2: talk about. Massive time. This guy's six threes three to 1069 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 2: twenty seven defensive tackle, defensive tackle. This guy, yeah, number 1070 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 2: ninety one for and this is going to be the 1071 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 2: challenge with Majors and those guys inside for the long words, 1072 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 2: veteran offensive line. We're talking about first and second round 1073 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 2: offensive lineman on the Texas line. This will be a 1074 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,359 Speaker 2: really good matchup because Ohio State's got some guys too. 1075 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 2: But Talak Williams is massive tackle. This guy's not sloppy 1076 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 2: at all. Powerful upper body, he can control blockers. He 1077 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 2: can stend his hands. He's he can fight single blocks, 1078 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,440 Speaker 2: double team blocks. He's got he gets momentum going up 1079 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 2: the field. You know, there's things you got to like 1080 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 2: about him because he's a really smart player. He doesn't 1081 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 2: get fooled. Sometimes he tackles loose side of the ball 1082 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,000 Speaker 2: to where it goes. He's really good at reading plays. 1083 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,320 Speaker 2: He's got a relentless motor. 1084 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 14: You know. 1085 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 2: For the position. He can get upfield as a pass rusher. 1086 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 2: I like what he does with overall though as a player, though, 1087 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 2: I just think he does so many things, so many 1088 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 2: positive things for that kind of size. He can control inside. 1089 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 2: So I'm going to say that you need to keep 1090 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 2: an eye on him. As far as the other Texas 1091 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 2: offensive lineman I need to look at. We need to 1092 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 2: talk about Kelvin Banks. I think Banks is going to play. 1093 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 2: I think he's going to play guard in the league. 1094 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 2: I think he plays, you know, white now. He plays 1095 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 2: left tackle for the Longhorns. You know, like I say, 1096 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 2: there's people in the scouting world that's projecting him to 1097 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 2: play play guard. But he's got initial quickness, but he 1098 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 2: plays with explosive power. He can handle defenders, He's got 1099 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 2: a lotteral agility. There's a lot of things can anchor 1100 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 2: down about him as well. Hold off initial punches from 1101 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 2: these edge rushers, the awareness when it comes to picking 1102 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 2: up stunts and dealing with that. I didn't see him 1103 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 2: get fooled very much. You know. There's some snaps where 1104 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 2: he tends to bend over the waist a little bit, 1105 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 2: and this might be a little bit of some hip stiffness, 1106 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 2: but he is going to be a first round player again. 1107 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 2: He's a guy at twelve, Dallas might consider taking and 1108 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 2: then also playing him at guard. 1109 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 4: Yep, which they could use the guard. But I love 1110 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:37,319 Speaker 4: both those two guys. 1111 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,399 Speaker 6: You guys mentioned from Texas have both been really good 1112 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 6: players for Texas. So interesting here you hear that, And 1113 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 6: I do think the matchup there is going to be 1114 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 6: really really interesting to look at that offensive line for 1115 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,759 Speaker 6: Texas versus the defensive line for Ohio State. 1116 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 4: I actually think that's where the game is going to 1117 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 4: be won or lost in my opinion. 1118 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 8: Might look at some of those other ed rushers just 1119 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 8: really quick for Ohio to State, Jack Sawyer and j T. 1120 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:56,799 Speaker 7: Tuamolowai. 1121 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 8: Those are some really physical power rusher. It's going to 1122 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 8: give Cam Williams and Kelvin. 1123 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 6: Banks a lot of I heard somebody say this is 1124 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 6: this will be the best defensive front Dallas is fit. 1125 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,399 Speaker 6: I mean that I'm sorry that the Texas long hoards 1126 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,880 Speaker 6: have faced, including Georgia. Yeah, and uh in Georgia obviously George's. 1127 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 2: Probably got better pass rushers. 1128 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think second level is a lot more talent. 1129 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 2: The physicality that that that Ohio State plays with the 1130 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 2: front four is impressive. 1131 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, we will see all right, let's get some picks 1132 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 6: real quick. I'm gonna have y'all pick these games, and 1133 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 6: thing's gonna win these these two CFP games. 1134 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 7: So we boored Ambar. She she got out of here lunch. 1135 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 4: You know, she had to go, she had to go 1136 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 4: shoot for some moost cowboys. 1137 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,919 Speaker 8: Uh, picks in this game. I'm going to take Penn 1138 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,359 Speaker 8: State in the Penn State Notre Dame game. And just 1139 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 8: as a precursor, this is a complete heart pick. I 1140 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 8: am not picking from my brain. We're going Texas in 1141 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 8: the in the Cotton Bowl. But if my brain was picking, 1142 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,279 Speaker 8: it might look a little bit. 1143 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would absolutely I'd love to see Texas win. 1144 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 2: I don't think they will. I think the matchups are 1145 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 2: going to be really difficult for them. And uh but 1146 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 2: I do like I do like Notre Dame. I do 1147 00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 2: like Notre Dame and what they You know, they seem 1148 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 2: to be right now since they had that terrible loss 1149 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 2: against Nord of the Illinois. They seem to have found 1150 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 2: their way and there and you know they they don't 1151 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 2: have to they can morph into how they have to 1152 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,040 Speaker 2: play the game. You know, the quarterback is a physical runner. 1153 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 2: They like to run the football you know, we'll see 1154 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 2: at Penn State how they play that. Penn State's on 1155 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 2: a nice little run too, So give me Notre Dame. Unfortunately, 1156 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 2: I think Ohio State goes on too. 1157 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,719 Speaker 8: I remember sitting in the hotel room in Cleveland in 1158 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 8: Week one and watching Northern Illinois finish off that win 1159 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 8: and think to myself, Man, Notre Dame. 1160 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,320 Speaker 7: Like the cooked, probably don't cooked. 1161 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, they've they've invested the wrong portal resources. This 1162 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,200 Speaker 8: makes the Notre This makes the Texas A and M 1163 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,799 Speaker 8: loss last week looks so much worse. 1164 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, but here they are. 1165 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,319 Speaker 6: Hey, look if Notre Dame plays like they played last week, 1166 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,279 Speaker 6: I think they win that game. 1167 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1168 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 4: I think Notre Dame is getting gone on. They've gotten 1169 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 4: better and. 1170 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,960 Speaker 2: Golden has done a nice jobs a defensive coordinator there, 1171 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 2: They've got some we talk about Watts. They have a 1172 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 2: safety there. That's a that Dallas is probably going to 1173 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,320 Speaker 2: look at as well. Man, really really good player. 1174 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 4: Yep. 1175 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 6: And I'll say this about the Texas game. One thing 1176 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 6: I love about Sark so it gets this team ready 1177 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 6: for games when they're the Underdogy're playing better teams, which 1178 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 6: I do think on paper, I think Ohio state' is 1179 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 6: a better team, which says a lot because I think 1180 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,319 Speaker 6: Texas has a ton of talent, but Ohio State might 1181 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 6: be the most talented team in the country. I think 1182 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 6: that they also have a little bit of that textas 1183 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 6: in them. What I mean by that is they can 1184 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 6: start reading their press clippings at time and they get 1185 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 6: a little bit enamored with their own success. And so 1186 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,959 Speaker 6: I love the fact that everybody's talking about Ohio State 1187 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,880 Speaker 6: has the team to beat here, and I think Texas, 1188 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 6: if I would be more concerned if everybody's talking about 1189 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 6: texts like that, because I know we have that tendency 1190 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,759 Speaker 6: to will we will certainly start reading the press and 1191 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,960 Speaker 6: then say, hey we're there, we arrived, and then fall 1192 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 6: flat on our face. 1193 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 2: We see how Ryan Day two and some big games. Yeah, 1194 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,279 Speaker 2: you know, there's saying times some coaching decisions where you 1195 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 2: kind of like, yeah, that was a little interesting. 1196 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,040 Speaker 4: We'll see how it goes. 1197 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 6: I think these will be some really great matchups. I 1198 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 6: love how it panned out with these two matchups. I 1199 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 6: think they're both very interesting and we'll see how it 1200 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 6: turns out. I think obviously the text is gonna win Texas. 1201 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 4: We will see all right, guys, appreciate you join us 1202 00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 4: back next week. 1203 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 6: Remember check our our app tomorrow to see if we're 1204 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 6: gonna have shows Tomorrow. 1205 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 4: We're gonna try. 1206 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 6: We'll see what everything helped, what happens with this weather. Uh, 1207 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,759 Speaker 6: we'll figure out how that's gonna work. But we'll be 1208 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 6: back with you guys next Wednesday at eleven till then 1209 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,200 Speaker 6: for Nick Harris. Brian brought us in amregarci. 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