1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Topics featured in this episode may be disturbing to some listeners. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Please take care while listening. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 2: I got out and like stood by my car, and 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: I put my hands together like in prayer emotion. I 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: just said, God, please be with me. And I opened 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: my eyes and I walked towards him and I yelled 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: at him. I yelled so loud, I said, how fucking 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: dare you. That's when he put his head down and 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: he wouldn't look at me after that. 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal. Episode two, Blood Ties, 11 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: Ashley Lytton discovered her husband was in possession of child pornography. 12 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: With the help of her sister Anna, Ashley contacted law 13 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: enforcement and reported him on September twenty ninth, twenty twenty one. 14 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: It was how did I get here? Moment? For Ashley. 15 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: Her life imploded. Her sense of safety for her children 16 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: was gone. Like any of us in the wake of betrayal, grief, destruction, 17 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: and heartbreak, you revisit everything. 18 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: I was going through some of our old photos and videos. 19 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: I came across one specific one where he was teaching 20 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: her to ride the bike. As she was driving away 21 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: for the first time. She was yelling back like daddy look, 22 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: Daddy look, and he's kind of cheering her on. 23 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: Jason's father shared the love of football with him, That's 24 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: how they bonded, and Jason wanted to have that with 25 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: his kids. 26 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: And has been a Vikings fan his whole life. 27 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: The story that I got was his father had gotten 28 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: each one of his brothers a stuffed animal, and Jason 29 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: happened to get the Minnesota Viking stuffed animal, and his 30 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: brothers got two other teams, so their whole lives they 31 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: cheered for those teams. I had been at work and 32 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: he'd been home with the kids and the Vikings were 33 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: going to play, and he had like a shrine of 34 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: Viking stuff all over my living room. 35 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: I mean he had. 36 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: Jerseys laid out, he had stuffed animals, he had other memorabilia. 37 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: Aveay was wearing one of his huge Vikings jerseys, and 38 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: I was. 39 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: Like, Uh, what are you doing. 40 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: From that moment on, every time the Vikings played, everyone 41 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 2: was decked down Vikings gear. 42 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: That was our tradition. 43 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: And he wasn't just a fan. Jason coached in the 44 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: little league football community Julio. Heis lives in Ashley's neighborhood 45 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: was his son's coach. 46 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 4: Jason actually asked me to assist coaching. 47 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 3: We just click football brought us clothes. 48 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 5: He is very passionate and he actually really cared about 49 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 5: the kids. 50 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: Like they showed one how much he cared. It was great. 51 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Jason also played. 52 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 6: Played flag football and when all the games. 53 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: Of course, my son played with him too. 54 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 6: Great athletic coach well. 55 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: Jason was known for his love of football. Friends also 56 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: found him hilarious. Ashley's friend Emmy. 57 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: He was one of the funniest people I have ever met. 58 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 4: You put Jason and my husband together and had a 59 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 4: couple of cocktails in there. They would sing into a 60 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 4: wooden spoon as they ran around the canche. 61 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: They were just always so goofy. 62 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 4: And he was kind of that guy pair with my 63 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: husband that you know, reminded me that there are good men. 64 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: They're still out there. 65 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Ashley had taken on adult responsibilities since she was a kid, 66 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: taking care of her mother raising her siblings an early motherhood. 67 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: She was ready for a partner, someone to help carry 68 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: the weight. 69 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: I think because I had spent so much my life 70 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: being the person that had to be in charge and 71 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: make the decisions. When Jason came along, I referred to 72 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: him with everything everything I did. Even when we bought 73 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: our house, I was like, listen, I don't give a 74 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 2: shit what house we buy at this point, pick house. 75 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: Let's do it. 76 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: I don't care, like you know best, so you do it. 77 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to me. 78 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: In marriage, Ashley finally felt part of a team. She 79 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: loved it, sharing coffee with Jason in the morning, family 80 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: dinners in the evenings, when sports weren't taking the kids 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: in three different directions. But after eight years of being married, 82 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: their family dynamic started to change. 83 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: From the outside looking in, we just had this picture 84 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: perfect life, beautiful home, wonderful kids. Both of us have careers, 85 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: we're both like semi young and in shape. 86 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: But the reality was very different. 87 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: Two years before COVID, Jason stopped interacting with us. 88 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Ashley's stepmother, Kathy TRIHILLO. 89 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 7: He wasn't going to work and she was having money struggles, 90 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 7: and they were kind of like living two separate lives. 91 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 7: But you don't know what goes on in people's four walls. 92 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 7: So you're like, you know, try and just to be 93 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 7: supportive to Ashley. 94 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: That's all, you know. We tried to do is be support. 95 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 7: And she wanted to hang in there and keep it going. 96 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 7: Then we were going to try to stand behind her. 97 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: Jason was a talented tradesman. When he showed up for work. 98 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: Jason's former employe or Steve Iihausen. 99 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 8: He liked to take a lot of time off and 100 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 8: he would say his children were sick or he had 101 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 8: to go to school for something like that, and so 102 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 8: he was using excuses that weren't true to take time 103 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 8: off and do something for himself. 104 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 9: It was actually putting their mortgage in jeopardy. And now, 105 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 9: like in retrospect, I'm like, was he just staying home 106 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 9: and watching all of this stuff? 107 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 6: Just went work for a couple two, three weeks at 108 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 6: a time. And I'm sure it was not because he 109 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 6: didn't have any work. He just didn't want to go 110 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 6: to work. 111 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: Jason also lost interest in spending time with friends and family. 112 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: Ashley's family enjoyed Jason's company. She comes from a big 113 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: family with siblings, stepsiblings, nieces, and nephews. Any excuse was 114 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: a good one for a family party and John Ashley's 115 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: dad loved to host. 116 00:06:58,839 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 7: Well. 117 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 6: He didn't come to our function, like, man, where's that 118 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 6: guy oh Man. 119 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 10: You know. 120 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: He would tell her family he needed to go to work. 121 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: He told work he was prioritizing family. Most times he 122 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: was doing neither have. 123 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: They had traveled a lot for her competitive soccer league, 124 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: and he wouldn't come with us. We went to California, 125 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: I went to Colorado, went to Las Vegas, went to 126 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: Saint George. We went to all these places and he 127 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: wouldn't go. 128 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: So Ashley took the kids and left Jason behind. 129 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: We used to do so much together. 130 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: We did. We were active, we were outside, we were 131 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: at the movies. We're at the aquarium, we were in 132 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: the mountains, like we did things all the time with 133 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: the kids. 134 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: Ashley was determined to keep going. 135 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: I was like, we can't wait for you to live 136 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: life with us. We can't not do anything. So I 137 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: just started leaving him. I'd like, if you want to 138 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: come along with us, we want you to come, but 139 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: we're not going to sit in this house and do 140 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: nothing anymore. 141 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: Eventually, Jason stopped bringing anything to the table, so I asked. 142 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: Him for a divorce, and he told me that he'd 143 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: give me a divorce. 144 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: It's like, praise the Lord. 145 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: You know, we cannot live like this anymore. But then 146 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: COVID happened, and all of a sudden, my Jason came 147 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: back and he was being the man of the house 148 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: type of thing. 149 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: He was taking charge, like we need to make. 150 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: A plan, and we need to get food, and we 151 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: need to make sure the kids are taken care of 152 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: and you know, make sure that we're safe. I was like, 153 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: all right, So we just didn't talk about it again. 154 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: But as lockdown orders were lifted and life returned to normal, 155 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Jason withdrew again. 156 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: He would kind of revert back to being a hermit. 157 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: We walked on eggshells with him every single day. We 158 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: did everything we could to like not piss him off. 159 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: We did everything we could to just not be noticed 160 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: by him. All of us did. But for the most part, 161 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: Jason stayed in our bedroom. 162 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: But he wasn't showing any interest in actually there. Jason 163 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: stopped showing any interest in sex or intimacy. 164 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: I thought it was me, and I thought, I'm like, well, 165 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: I had three kids, so it's like a hot dog 166 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: down hallway maybe, And so I was like, I'm not 167 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: going to do this to myself anymore. 168 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: Ashley sought help from a therapist and she learned that 169 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: his behavior had nothing to do with her. 170 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: I'd come to some self realization. I'm like, I am beautiful, 171 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: I'm a good mom, and I'm a good wife, and 172 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: this problem isn't me, it's him. At that point, I'd 173 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: kind of reinvested my time with God, and so I 174 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: was like, I made this covenant with my husband and 175 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: with God that I was going to love him through 176 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: sickness and health and he would never leave me. And 177 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: so I had decided that I wasn't going to get divorced. 178 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to love him harder, I'm 179 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: gonna love him more, I'm going to be there for him. 180 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 2: I'm going to help him through this, and it's gonna 181 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: be okay. That's what I thought. I just thought he 182 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: was insanely depressed, and I wanted him to go see 183 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: a therapist. He went to his general family doctor. He's 184 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: diagnosed add He put him on adderall and I think prozac, 185 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: and then like he thought he had it under control 186 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: because he's like, oh, I'm not going to take it 187 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: on the weekend, and that's why he was sluggish on 188 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: the weekend. 189 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: That's what he'd say. 190 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: It's not a good idea to take a medication vacation 191 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: when you're on prozac and adderall without a doctor's consultation. 192 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: Jason continued to isolate himself and became hyper focused on 193 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: a new hobby. 194 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: I bought him a drawing table because he liked to draw. 195 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: He would lose himself for hours in a sketch pad. 196 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 7: I don't remember why we had stopped by, but we 197 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 7: were outside and he was in the house and he said, 198 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 7: I'm getting into drawing. 199 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: Now, come in. 200 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 7: I want to show you guys my drawings. 201 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: I was like, go clean your back through, you know, 202 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 3: think what are you doing? Why are you sitting here drawing? 203 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: I was in my head. 204 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: I was like, what is he doing? 205 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: Anna thought his drawings were bizarre. 206 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 9: He's showing me these drawings and I don't know if 207 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 9: he had drew them himself, where he outlined them from 208 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 9: a printed off image or something, but they were like 209 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 9: highly sexualized characters, very seductive clothing, huge boobs, all women. 210 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 9: I just remember thinking like, what the fuck, what is 211 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 9: he doing? This is not normal to me, And I 212 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 9: remember telling Ashley, I'm like, you need to tell him 213 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 9: to stop showing people those. 214 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 3: It's fucking weird. 215 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 6: He wasn't helped Ashley with anything. She came over here 216 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 6: and fixed her brakes, fix her tires, whatever was, you know, 217 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 6: and he it was had some excuse. 218 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 4: She worked over time, constantly, she changed jobs for a 219 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 4: better opportunity. She gave and cave and. 220 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 8: Cave and gave. 221 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 11: Okay, so I've read through the initial report. I was 222 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 11: hoping that maybe we could talk a little bit more 223 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 11: in depth how it all came about. 224 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: On a day that felt completely surreal, Ashley Linton was 225 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: finally sitting at the Riverton police station. Her husband was 226 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: at his brother's house hoping to hear from her. It 227 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: was ten at night, but the officer in charge of 228 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: special Victims wanted to talk right away. He had worked 229 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: quickly at a secure search warrant an inventory what Jason 230 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: had in the hidden file. Now Ashley sat across from 231 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: the detective Jason Rue, in a small interview room. 232 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 4: I went through. 233 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 12: I went through probably about photos in that account that 234 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 12: he told me about. I'm so disgusted this obviously serious stuff. 235 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 11: Not only doesn't have child pornography on this thing. 236 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 10: But he's produced it. 237 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 12: Basically, you're outside doing something with your plants, and he. 238 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 10: Walks into. 239 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 12: Yeah, I assume she had a white shirt on, and 240 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 12: so he's like, hey, where's your mom? And anytime she 241 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 12: would turn around, he's going up so you can actually 242 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 12: see her breasts of he sure multiple times, I'm so 243 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 12: worried about my daughter. 244 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: There were videos from their family trip to Disney as well. 245 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: It was the only trip Jason had taken with his 246 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: family in two years. Detective rou explains. 247 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 10: The stepdaughter was getting out of the shower and told everyone, hey, 248 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 10: don't look, and Jason had set up his phone to 249 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 10: video record her coming out of the shower while she 250 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 10: had no clothes on, and then he proceeded to act 251 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 10: like he wasn't watching although he was recording her. 252 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: Legally, a Veo was Jason's stepdaughter, but he had raised 253 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: her since she was two years old. She called him dad. 254 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 12: Is there had porn issues that you're aware of? 255 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 7: Absolutely? 256 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: Our whole marriage has been flooded with it. It was 257 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: just always really awkward. I think we've had six, maybe 258 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: five times in two and a half years, and I'm 259 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: kind of like masturbating, like weird times, like with me 260 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: and my daughter, my eight year old, Like she's left 261 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: in our bed and he's like on the floor masturbating, 262 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: looking at his mom and I'm like, what the fuck 263 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: are you doing? Her family's here, like, what's wrong with you? 264 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: Ashley revealed other upsetting details about her marriage to Jason. 265 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: He had an affair amon me when I was five 266 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: months hearty, right, young guest and the girl he had 267 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: a fair with. I think she was eighteen, but I 268 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: knew that she had just. 269 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 5: Graduated, right she was. 270 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: The was seven eight years ago. 271 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, how'd you find out about that? 272 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: He left his phone one time at home like an idiot. 273 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: Anyway, she'd texted him, I'm like, so I'm excited to 274 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: see you tonight, and he had come up with this huge, 275 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: elaborate story meany he's a talker, he could he do 276 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: you know that stupid saying he could sell eyes to 277 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: Eskimos that that's him and uh, Anyway, saw I called 278 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: her and I was like, do you know he's getting 279 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: ready to have a baby and we're married and have 280 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: two children, and she was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 281 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: The conversation turned to the messages Ashley had been receiving 282 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: from Jason. 283 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: I understand you're upset right now and don't want to 284 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: see me I really want to talk to him, and 285 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: you're ready. I won't hassle you after this text message. 286 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 3: I'm sorry I've. 287 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: Created this problem for our family. I love you, ash 288 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I know I need help and I'm 289 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: going to get it. I promise to work hard and 290 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: make sure you're undertaken care of. 291 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: But Detective Roo was skeptical about the tax from Jason 292 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: concerning the images. 293 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 10: In my opinion, it's someone who just got caught doing 294 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 10: something they know is not just wrong but illegal. Starts 295 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 10: going into manipulation, saying, you know, I'm sorry I did 296 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 10: this to our family. I'm a bad husband. Nothing about 297 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 10: the victim, nothing about the wife. It's all about I've 298 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 10: been caught now. I need to say sorry and try 299 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 10: to build this trust again. Later on, he says I 300 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 10: will get the help. I need to quit ignoring my 301 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 10: issues and so you know, he's throwing all these things 302 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 10: out like negotiation. I will do this and I need 303 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 10: to do this, and I'll do better if you don't 304 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 10: say anything and just mean you do it together. That's 305 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 10: how I read these sext messages. 306 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: Once Ashley reported, the crime detective room moved quickly. 307 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 10: We were able to get the correct paperwork to get 308 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 10: a warrant to get into those photos a couple hours 309 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 10: before he deleted. 310 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: On them a. 311 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 10: Few hours later. 312 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: Yes, the police enlisted Ashley to help make the arrest. 313 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 10: So basically, how it would be if we could get 314 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 10: him somewhere where our guys can just. 315 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 11: Bring him into me here interview him here. 316 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 10: I'd like to do it tonight, to be honest, I 317 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 10: just wondering if. 318 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 12: There's maybe a way that we could get him do 319 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 12: that leave the house and meet. 320 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: You somewhere and just kinda pick him up, etc. 321 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: Rather do that and go on his brother's door. 322 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: The Riverton police weren't keen to arrest Jason at another 323 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: police officer's house, and it's easy to see why there's 324 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: a firearm on the premises. It's complicated, but Detective Rue 325 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: was still irritated that Jason's brother didn't do the right thing. 326 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 12: I don't care if your brother you're in law enforcement. 327 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 12: That is a no noe like he He could get 328 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 12: himself in some trou He. 329 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 11: Should be their first brother. 330 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 10: I'm cool with that. 331 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 12: But on the way here to talk to us about it, 332 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 12: you know, like you screwed up royally, and that's all 333 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 12: that was gonna be happening to you. 334 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: The plan was to get Jason out of his brother's 335 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: house to a neutral meeting spot where he would believe 336 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: he could make his case one on one with Ashley. 337 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: I just told him, how about let's meet away from 338 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: the house that I'll have. 339 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 12: The kids too, Okay, yeah, tell me twenty twenty five minutes. 340 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: Ashley was setting him up to be arrested and I'm just. 341 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 11: Gonna wait here. 342 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 10: Okay, Well, they do that, and then once you get 343 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 10: him to try to talk to him, see if he 344 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 10: wants to talk to her out. 345 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: I tried to imagine what Ashley was thinking driving from 346 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: the Riverton Police station to the Walmart parking lot. It 347 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: must have been the strangest drive of her life. It 348 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: was eleven thirty pm. 349 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 2: Jason pulls in and I could fill this like fire 350 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: burning inside of me, thinking that he had filmed up 351 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: my daughter's shirt and saw her bare breasts, our daughter's shirt. 352 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: So I had this like flash. We're kind of parked where. 353 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 2: People return their carts and there's like these big rocks. 354 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: For a moment, she fantasized about vigilanti justice. 355 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: In my head, it played out like i'might grab a 356 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 2: rock and I'm gonna like smack him over the head 357 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: and then he's gonna pass out, and then I'm gonna 358 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: kick him really hard, and then I'm gonna, you know, 359 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: like all these terrible, violent things. 360 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: Ashley felt so sad for his victims. 361 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 13: I wanted to like take his eyes away from him 362 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 13: so he can never look at my daughter again, look 363 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 13: at anybody's daughter again. All those little girls that I 364 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 13: saw in those phoo everything, I just it was so awful. 365 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 13: And so when I got out, I didn't grab a rock, 366 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 13: thank god, but I just started hitting him and he 367 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 13: just let me and he was like, what are you doing, 368 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 13: ash what are you doing? And then the police pulled 369 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 13: up right after and say it took him into custody 370 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 13: right then, just like. 371 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: That, it was done. He was on his way to 372 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: the police station. His work truck was still sitting in 373 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: the parking lot. 374 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 13: You know, we're married, so this is my asset too, 375 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 13: so I should probably make sure that I don't just 376 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 13: leave it in the Walmart parking lot. But I didn't 377 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 13: have anyone to drive it anywhere for me, so I 378 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 13: called his brother. It's like twelve o'clock at night. At 379 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 13: this point he was sleeping and he I was like, 380 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 13: what did you do? What did you do? And I 381 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 13: was like, I did what you couldn't do. I did 382 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 13: what you were supposed to do that you didn't do. 383 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: His brother agreed to pick up Jason's truck. Finally, after 384 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: fourteen hours the hospital a police interview, the longest and 385 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: most awful day of Ashley's life had come to an end. 386 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 11: You have the writer in silent She didn't need to 387 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 11: say anything to me. 388 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 12: Anything you say Canada will be used against you in 389 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 12: the court. 390 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 11: You have the right to have a. 391 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: Lawyer well being read his Miranda rights. Jason explained that 392 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: he'd never been arrested. He was polite. 393 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 11: Do you understand each of these rights? 394 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 3: I've explained I did, okay. 395 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: Detective Rude tried to engage Jason in a conversation about 396 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: the charges. 397 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 11: Ashley contacted me as I cause, you guys have had 398 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 11: a pretty rough day today. 399 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, So. 400 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 10: That's some of the things that I was holding to 401 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 10: talk to you a little bit about, trying to get 402 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 10: better understanding of what that's been going on, things of 403 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 10: that nature. 404 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 11: I'm willing to talk to you about whatever if you are, 405 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 11: but if you prefer not to, then we'll just end 406 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 11: our conversation regardless of whether we talk or not. Tonight, Yeah, I'm. 407 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 10: Gonna have you booked into the Southern County. 408 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 5: Jailice So as far as being just because I have 409 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 5: no idea this process goes being booked into jailmen, Am 410 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 5: I just gonna be stuck there? 411 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 10: Or do ill some. 412 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 11: Of the charges that I'll book you in on or 413 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 11: they're a little hefty, Okay, So I don't know if 414 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 11: they're gonna just be like, hey, you're out tomorrow morning. 415 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 5: I just feel like, since I've never been in a 416 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 5: situation before, I was like, almost rather have an attorney president. 417 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 5: I don't want doing something. 418 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: I'm okay, Okay, I understand Jason understood he'd be sleeping 419 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: in a jails all that night no matter what he 420 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: was behind bars. That was taken care of, But there 421 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: were the kids and questions about where Dad was. It's 422 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: hard to imagine a day like this managing putting one 423 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: foot in front of another, let alone the micro and 424 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: macro decisions that Ashley had to make for herself, her children, 425 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: and the safety of others. The children in those photos, 426 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: not to mention in the wake of incredible trauma. She 427 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: had been in the er, the police station, and witness 428 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: her husband be arrested, all in the same day. And 429 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: then there was the weight of this. Her husband had 430 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: violated her eldest daughter, an innocent kid who called him Dad. 431 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: Ashley knew she had to face them, but the truth 432 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: was too ugly to share. She wanted to protect them, 433 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: especially a Veya, all while feeling as though she failed 434 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: them already. For the night, keeping it simple felt like 435 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: the right decision. She needed to buy time to find 436 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: the words. 437 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: All of us knew that Jason had been struggling with 438 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 2: his mental health. 439 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: The kids sought so when Ashley told the kids that 440 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: Jason was seeking help for his mental health issues, it 441 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: made sense to them. Besides, she was exhausted and didn't 442 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: have much time to recover. The very next morning, Ashley 443 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: had to make a big presentation for work. There was 444 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: a lot riding on it. Anna went with Ashley so 445 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: she wouldn't be alone. So soon after Jason's arrest. 446 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 9: She hadn't told her boss what had happened, and I 447 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 9: remember her like saying, I'm not going to let this 448 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 9: ruin my fucking career. 449 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 3: But I remember watching her do. 450 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 9: The presentation and I was like, none of these people 451 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 9: know what just happened to her, Like. 452 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: Her life has blown up, and look at her. 453 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 3: She was up there. 454 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 9: Making jokes and just confident and trying to engage the audience. 455 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 9: And these people had so much many questions for her, 456 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 9: and she was just on it answering all these questions. 457 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 9: And I remember thinking, you are a fucking badass, Like 458 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 9: I do not know how you're doing this. Your husband 459 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 9: is in jail right now. 460 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: Jason had been disengaging from the family, isolating himself. Ashley 461 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: had grown stronger and more independent. 462 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 3: I still am so proud of her. I don't know 463 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 3: how she did it. 464 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 9: I really think something psychological like happened for her to 465 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 9: do that. 466 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 7: And. 467 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: The work that she did the year prior, maybe that's 468 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: what Maybe that's what got her through. 469 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: Ashley felt strong enough to keep it all inside. She 470 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: thought she could hold everything in. She was in protection 471 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: and survival mode. But then there was this. 472 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 3: Somebody texted her and said it's in the news and 473 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 3: the man from Riverton has been. 474 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 6: Arrested for one hundred counts of sexual exploitation of a 475 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 6: miner after someone came forward after helping forty year old 476 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 6: Jason Linton said up a Venmo account. 477 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 9: And then she just let out this horrible, horrible scream, 478 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 9: and I just remember looking at her, and her whole 479 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 9: body was like shaky, almost like convulsync. I've never seen 480 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 9: it before. And then she just was like rocking back 481 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 9: and forth and like putting her head on. 482 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 3: Her knees, like she looked like a crazy person. 483 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 9: I don't even remember what I said to her to 484 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,239 Speaker 9: try to calm her down, Like I did not know 485 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 9: what to do. 486 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: And I've never seen my sister like that. 487 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 9: I don't ever want to see her like that ever again, 488 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 9: Detective Real. 489 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 10: I try to prepare them a little bit for the 490 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 10: next morning when they wake up, I'll let them know, like, hey, 491 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 10: these cases, the news picked these cases up quick. In 492 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 10: my mind, I'm talking to these victims and these family 493 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 10: members and I'm explaining things. But sometimes when you're in 494 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 10: that situation, most of it's maybe going over your head 495 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 10: or in one and out the other. Just because you 496 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 10: just got railroaded by your husband, you're so focused on 497 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 10: I don't even know what's going on. 498 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: Ashley was already managing the feelings of grief, anger, and betrayal. 499 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: The added jame that came when Jason's crimes became public. 500 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: It was unbearable when this hit. 501 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 2: Any ounce of pride or ego that I had went 502 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: right out the door. 503 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: It was gone. 504 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: I literally felt like I was just naked and there 505 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: was nothing to hide. There's nothing to even try to 506 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: explain away or make better. I was just like, okay, 507 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: I understand. 508 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: It didn't take long for the word to spread. 509 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 9: Aveya found out from a friend's mom. She had called 510 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 9: her and was like, did dad take videos on me? 511 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 3: Or what happened? 512 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 9: Because the news mentioned that he had taken I don't 513 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 9: know if they said a video or videos of his daughters. 514 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: Anna couldn't believe an adult would be so thoughtless with 515 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: a veya. 516 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 9: She's like, did your dad take videos of my daughter? 517 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 9: That's how she found out. 518 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: It was out her husband was that guy, the guy 519 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: you warn your kids about. Her kids knew, her friends knew, 520 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: everyone knew. There was no controlling it. It was a 521 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: runaway train. On the next episode of Betrayal, all. 522 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 3: Right, enjoying and I just somehow see him in his car. 523 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 5: I called my mom. 524 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: Because he's in the same area he drives in those 525 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: same roads as every single day. 526 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: Avail will have her day in court and Jason will 527 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: try to remain a free man. As a disclaimer, Ashley 528 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: told her story about her conversation with Jason's older brother 529 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: to police, and it was included as part of the 530 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: affidavit of probable cause that led to Jason's arrest. His 531 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: older brother's conduct as a police officer was investigated by 532 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: the authorities and ultimately it was determined that there was 533 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: insufficient evidence of any violations of law by him. If 534 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, 535 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: email us at Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com. That's 536 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com. To report a case 537 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: of child sexual exploitation, called the National Center for Missing 538 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: and Exploited Children's cyber tipline at one eight hundred the Lost. 539 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: If you or someone you know is worried about their 540 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: sexual thoughts and feelings towards children, reach out to Stop 541 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: It Now dot org. In the United Kingdom go to 542 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: stop it Now dot org dot UK. These organizations can help. 543 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: We're grateful for your support, and one way to show 544 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: support is by subscribing to our show on Apple Podcasts 545 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: and don't forget to rate and review Betrayal. 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