Speaker 1: Cats buds. That's okayas no one here is.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of teen Beat. I'm Danielle Fischel,
Speaker 2: host of not only this podcast, but of the nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety seven Disney World Easter Parade. It was hot and
Speaker 2: I wore a big hat, but now I wear many hats,
Speaker 2: and this one has me sitting with interesting people who've
Speaker 2: done interesting things every single week, tapping into their teenage
Speaker 2: years to find the awkward and uncomfortable truths that connect
Speaker 2: us as members of.
Speaker 3: The human race.
Speaker 2: Because even if you were on TV as a kid,
Speaker 2: like I was exposing every moment of your puberty to
Speaker 2: millions of viewers looking back as a way to learn
Speaker 2: more about who we've become today.
Speaker 3: I look at it this way. I gave you my childhood.
Speaker 2: It's time we hear yours. This week, I'm talking to
Speaker 2: a pivotal piece of what I'm calling the Canadian invasion
Speaker 2: of Y two K. Whether it was Ryan Gosling breaking
Speaker 2: out from the Mickey Mouse Club, or Nellie Furtado flying
Speaker 2: like a bird, Hayden Christiansen being cast as a young
Speaker 2: Anakin skywalker, or Avril Levine wearing a tie over a
Speaker 2: tank top. The Great North really was quite great, and
Speaker 2: the all out attack also included a Calgary born, Montreal
Speaker 2: raised actress who first found the spotlight as the young
Speaker 2: co host of Popular Mechanics for Kids, arguably the oddest
Speaker 2: magazine to ever become children's programming unless there was a
Speaker 2: good Housekeeping for tweens show that never hit the States.
Speaker 2: She would stay in Canada for her first major role
Speaker 2: in Air Speed alongside Joe Montaigna, and then the Gemini
Speaker 2: Award winning Lucky Girl, leading her to Los Angeles in
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, where her whole life changed when
Speaker 2: she was cast as Kim Bauer, Keifer Sutherland's always in
Speaker 2: peril daughter in the pop culture smash twenty four. She'd
Speaker 2: also appear in classic movies like Old School and Love Actually,
Speaker 2: and then supply the Internet with thousands of beautiful gifts
Speaker 2: from the movie The Girl next Door. But it's her
Speaker 2: time on wildly underappreciated projects that interests me most, like
Speaker 2: one of TV's funniest modern day sitcoms, Happy Endings, and
Speaker 2: the two thousand and five MTV generation remake of House
Speaker 2: of Wax, which was much better than it ever should
Speaker 2: have been. Now she's returned to our screens after a
Speaker 2: four year hiatus where she focused on being a mom,
Speaker 2: but now appearing as Sue Flork in the romantic drama
Speaker 2: series Every Year After, currently available to stream in full
Speaker 2: on Prime Video and today. As fellow members of the
Speaker 2: Maxim FHM Complex magazine generation of Young Hollywood, we will
Speaker 2: sit together and chat about what it was like to
Speaker 2: grow up, both on.
Speaker 3: And off camera.
Speaker 2: Because even though in twenty thirteen she was crowned TV's
Speaker 2: most Beautiful Woman, I think deep down she must have
Speaker 2: some teenage embarrassment to share. Welcome to teen Beat. The
Speaker 2: most famous Canadian to never appear on an episode of
Speaker 2: De Grassy High.
Speaker 3: It's Alicia Cuthbert. Hi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, that kind of made me want
Speaker 1: to cry. You did that better than anyone I've ever
Speaker 1: heard before.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have given my career any better words than that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was that was the whole kit and kaboodle.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes it's just nice to hear all of
Speaker 2: your incredible accomplishments.
Speaker 3: Redbat to you.
Speaker 1: I was getting a little teary eyed. They're like that,
Speaker 1: but I was also laughing. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: all very accurate. And it's touching my heart. So thank
Speaker 1: you for that.
Speaker 2: You are so welcome. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 2: me here on teen Beat. I know I joked about
Speaker 2: it at the end of your intro, but I do
Speaker 2: need to know. How did you not end up on Degrassi.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say, I mean, until you
Speaker 1: just uttered those words. I realized that now I have
Speaker 1: a little bit of a grudge, like, what the hell
Speaker 1: happened that I didn't get to be on that show?
Speaker 1: But you know, the director, Kit Hood, he he was
Speaker 1: one of the bigger like creators of that show, and
Speaker 1: I ended up he directed me in a film, a
Speaker 1: feature film in Canada, So I guess I could say
Speaker 1: I have a little connection, but not actually on the show,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was. It was a movie called Dancing
Speaker 1: on the Moon. And you talk about embarrassment, I think
Speaker 1: I had my first kiss on and it was on screen,
Speaker 1: so I was so nervous.
Speaker 2: And something else you can share. My first kiss was
Speaker 2: on camera too. How old were you.
Speaker 1: Want to say? I was fourteen? Okay, yeah, weird. I
Speaker 1: can't picture him. I'd have to go back and look,
Speaker 1: I can't picture like I can't. I was so petrified
Speaker 1: and I was so out of my element that, like
Speaker 1: you know when you have like a trauma experience and
Speaker 1: you like walk it out like did that even happen?
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know, but it's true, And I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was so what was your? Was yours? How scary?
Speaker 1: It was so scary, wasn't it?
Speaker 3: It was scary.
Speaker 2: We had a live studio audience because it was on
Speaker 2: a sitcom, so it was you know, live studio audience
Speaker 2: and my grandparents and my parents. It was like everybody's watching.
Speaker 2: And we didn't kiss through the week, so we didn't
Speaker 2: rehearse the kiss, so like the actual first time kiss
Speaker 2: kiss was in front of you know, hundreds of people
Speaker 2: and on camera.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah. No, we had and our we
Speaker 1: had a crew, and it was so crazy. They they
Speaker 1: it just ended up that it was scheduled for the
Speaker 1: last scene of the night. And so I had just
Speaker 1: stew on it like all night, all day and all
Speaker 1: night like leading up to it, and I just I
Speaker 1: had put it in my head like one I didn't
Speaker 1: want to mess it up because I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do this. So if like I
Speaker 1: got to go in there, what if I like fumble
Speaker 1: and like kisses nose or I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, like I own my hands off.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what if our teak link? I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, but it ended up
Speaker 1: happening and it was fine, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know why I made such a big deal of it,
Speaker 1: but I yeah, it was very scary, but yeah, that's
Speaker 1: it's so funny, like you put yourself in these situations
Speaker 1: on set that you know because you're you're acting and
Speaker 1: it's not real, but yet I mean, obviously you're a
Speaker 1: part of it and it's.
Speaker 2: Your physical body bringing it to life. So like it's
Speaker 2: not a fake kiss. There may not be like sexual
Speaker 2: tension behind it, but there's it's really happening.
Speaker 1: It's really happening.
Speaker 2: I want to go back to even earlier because I
Speaker 2: know you started modeling at just seven years old, and
Speaker 2: I want to know how did that come about? Because
Speaker 2: I'm always interested in the moment you go from just
Speaker 2: adorable child to adorable child model, Like were you discovered
Speaker 2: in the Tim Horton's How did this?
Speaker 3: How did it happen?
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny. My mom and dad would
Speaker 1: get you know, pestered a lot, like when we were
Speaker 1: out together when I was like a real infant, even
Speaker 1: like I think my mom has a story you'd have
Speaker 1: to tell, ask her, but like, I mean, there were
Speaker 1: stories where people would come up and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you should put her inmaddling, And it was just I
Speaker 1: think fate was sort of aligning this path for me
Speaker 1: way earlier than I even understood. And then at one
Speaker 1: point a family friend was a casting director but and
Speaker 1: she had mentioned to my parents about maybe having me,
Speaker 1: you know, just go and do some modeling stuff. And
Speaker 1: so they finally relented and they were just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's do this. And I mean, I was
Speaker 1: so young, I didn't even and I just knew I
Speaker 1: was having a good time. I didn't know that it
Speaker 1: was like work per se. I just thought it was
Speaker 1: really fun activity to do. But yeah, I would say that,
Speaker 1: like I look back on it, and it is mysterious
Speaker 1: in a way that like not my parents or anyone
Speaker 1: else that was in my inner circle where ever pushing
Speaker 1: it was just things were sort of coming into my
Speaker 1: path in a way that I can't even explain. It is.
Speaker 1: It is one of those mysterious things that I that
Speaker 1: I still question and I go, well, obviously I'm on
Speaker 1: the path that I should be on, and fate was
Speaker 1: sort of leading me towards that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's another thing we share very similar
Speaker 2: story paper.
Speaker 3: I feel that was going to happen everywhere we went.
Speaker 2: My parents were told, you should get her in you
Speaker 2: need to get her in modeling, or you need to
Speaker 2: get her in commercials.
Speaker 3: And it was and my parents were.
Speaker 2: Like, we don't know anything about this, like none, no
Speaker 2: one in our family did it. They were like, we
Speaker 2: don't know how to do it. And then when that
Speaker 2: wasn't working, a girl I went to school with got
Speaker 2: an agent and she just told me about it and
Speaker 2: I went home and then was like, I want an agent.
Speaker 2: It was like the universe was like, all right, we'll
Speaker 2: try all these different avenues until you land down the
Speaker 2: path that you're gonna land.
Speaker 1: And I think too, I think our personalities. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was not a shy child. I was always interested
Speaker 1: in speaking to people, like you know, I with my son,
Speaker 1: particularly like you know, we work on like when we're
Speaker 1: at a restaurant, like I try to encourage him to
Speaker 1: order what he wants and not you know, kind of
Speaker 1: step over that. And but of course he's he's timid,
Speaker 1: and he's shy, he's little, and but you know, I
Speaker 1: do recall being younger and having this sort of fearless personality.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm more shy now in my adulthood
Speaker 1: than I was then. But I I agreed, right, And
Speaker 1: I remember just being like ready to go to anybody
Speaker 1: be like, hey, what's up totally? What's your story?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Tell me more? What's that? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How can I help you? Like? What what?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: I'll have the cheeseburger with the you know.
Speaker 3: My son's like, yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: I need to work on that too, because they both
Speaker 2: my kids have when they're when they warm up, both
Speaker 2: of them turn on these big personalities, but there's always
Speaker 2: that moment where they have to decide, am I going
Speaker 2: to do a dation a little?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So, like it's probably a smart idea right before you
Speaker 2: walk into a place, to be like, let's practice what
Speaker 2: we're going to do.
Speaker 3: We're going to walk into a restaurant, you're going to order, so.
Speaker 2: Let's pretend I'm the waiter, you know, like even just
Speaker 2: to give them a practice run at it right before
Speaker 2: it happens. But that's really smart that you're encouraging that
Speaker 2: because people's skills are a lost start.
Speaker 1: For well, they're turning into a lot of star people
Speaker 1: learning how to communicate. Is is dying out slowly. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so strange to see. But yeah, we really do
Speaker 1: try to encourage the kids to be as independent as possible,
Speaker 1: and especially in those scenarios because you know, they have
Speaker 1: to learn how to speak up for themselves at some point.
Speaker 1: And I may not always be right there at his
Speaker 1: side or her side because we have an eight year
Speaker 1: old daughter as well, where you know, I can you know,
Speaker 1: always like they can always fall back on. I want
Speaker 1: them to, you know, have the skills to at least
Speaker 1: order a.
Speaker 2: Meal exactly, at least be able to say you'd like
Speaker 2: a cheeseburger. You know, you've got to be able to
Speaker 2: do that exactly. Let's chat popular mechanics for KOOO. You
Speaker 2: posted seasons one through four and it was based on
Speaker 2: a magazine and you covered topics like animals, the human body, amusement, parks, electricity.
Speaker 2: Is there one lesson or something you learned from the show,
Speaker 2: like maybe a fact or a topic that is still
Speaker 2: weirdly with you.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, there are there's plenty, and it's weird.
Speaker 1: How like throughout my life they've helped me because it
Speaker 1: was almost like another mini education for four years that
Speaker 1: was so intense, and like, I find myself way more
Speaker 1: handy than I ever should have been as far as
Speaker 1: like I mean, I'll give you an example, like our
Speaker 1: toilet was running the other day and I just you know,
Speaker 1: didn't even think twice, just lifted the lid, knew the
Speaker 1: mechanics of it. Oh, the chain's off, the chain back bank,
Speaker 1: toilet's working again, And I'm like, wait, how did I
Speaker 1: just do that?
Speaker 3: I don't hate that.
Speaker 1: It has to be something to do with all of
Speaker 1: the mechanical education I had on that show. But we
Speaker 1: also got to do some really cool things that no
Speaker 1: one else had ever gotten to do. I mean, at
Speaker 1: one point we were on invited onto an aircraft carrier
Speaker 1: for three days and I mean just getting all the
Speaker 1: information on how the whole craft ran, you know, getting
Speaker 1: to be catapulted off the craft. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think there was no other television crew up until that point.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know about now, but up until
Speaker 1: that point when we were there. It was the first
Speaker 1: TV crew to ever be invited to film on an
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier. So it was super top secret and it
Speaker 1: was super yeah exclusive, and it was a really cool thing.
Speaker 1: So I remember like getting to like walk away from
Speaker 1: those experiences and be like, there's no one else on
Speaker 1: the planet that other than a military trained personnel person
Speaker 1: would if that's what you call them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the official title.
Speaker 1: Yeah that sounded official, but yeah, other than like people
Speaker 1: that were trained to be there, you know. I was like,
Speaker 1: I we are so special, We're so lucky, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you learn like little things like you know, the the
Speaker 1: flight takes off, like you go from zero to like
Speaker 1: sixty and like two seconds to get catfolded off. That
Speaker 1: it was like unbelievable. And yeah, so I mean in
Speaker 1: the list goes on and on, I just yeah, as
Speaker 1: far as like electricity goes and you know, hot air balloons.
Speaker 1: We were up in hot air balloons. I rode an elephant.
Speaker 1: I mean I got like I always say to my husband,
Speaker 1: I'm like, sometimes I feel like when I go back
Speaker 1: and people ask me about the show, I feel like
Speaker 1: that Doseci guy on the Comer. I feel like the
Speaker 1: most fascinating because every you know, the best thing that
Speaker 1: came away from it is that no matter where I
Speaker 1: am at any dinner party or any sort of event,
Speaker 1: I can I feel like I can converse with almost
Speaker 1: anybody on most topics. So it's it was a really yeah,
Speaker 1: like really amazing experience to have.
Speaker 2: What a great work experience, Like, yeah, it sounds so fun.
Speaker 2: Did you get to spend any of your popular mechanics
Speaker 2: money did you have? Like what was the first thing
Speaker 2: you treated yourself to as a kid.
Speaker 1: No, you know, I my parents helped me save it
Speaker 1: all and I used it to uh move to Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and get an apartment and you know, try to
Speaker 1: make it in Hollywood. That's really where all that money.
Speaker 3: Went, yeah, which is an expensive endeavor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. So I was like I was and
Speaker 1: you probably know I was at the Oakwood apartment and
Speaker 1: Boulevard right brothers. I was like feeling very uh you know,
Speaker 1: old Hollywood in that way, and it was it was
Speaker 1: and you know, Jay Bearishall also moved in there. Another
Speaker 1: actor we know, Andrew Walker, he's also a good actor.
Speaker 1: He was he was there at that every like they're
Speaker 1: like generational groups of actors that sort of find themselves
Speaker 1: at or if it's.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even exist anymore.
Speaker 1: No, well there you go.
Speaker 2: I know, I know it's it's a real time capsule.
Speaker 2: But we we we talk about it on Podmeats World
Speaker 2: all the time because it seems as though everyone lived
Speaker 2: there at some point. Everyone had their friends, their crew
Speaker 2: that lived there.
Speaker 3: Uh. Yeah, it's it's quite it.
Speaker 1: It was. It was scary, but it was iconic, exactly.
Speaker 2: It was both of those things at the same time.
Speaker 2: Kind of like in general the teenage years. It's just
Speaker 2: scary but iconic exactly. One thing I have to ask you,
Speaker 2: because it's a pretty famous story that Hillary Clinton saw
Speaker 2: one of your reports and reached out to you to
Speaker 2: meet at the White House. Yes, did you steal anything
Speaker 2: to take it home? Don't worry, I think the statute
Speaker 2: of limitations has passed.
Speaker 3: But I'm dying to know. Do you have any sort
Speaker 3: of memento from your time at the White House.
Speaker 1: I was too I was too afraid to steal anything,
Speaker 1: but I will say I will say that I got
Speaker 1: to hold socks the cat. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember they had a black piece, yes, And I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're a cat person. But I remember seeing
Speaker 1: the cat come down the famous corridor with the red
Speaker 1: carpet and I was like, is that socks And they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, do you want to hold them? I'm
Speaker 1: like yes. So I was like I got a chance to,
Speaker 1: you know, hang out with the cat, which was great.
Speaker 1: And you know, I ended up seeing Hillary Clinton again,
Speaker 1: like twenty years after the fact, and I knew I
Speaker 1: was going to see her because she was speaking at
Speaker 1: an event that I was at, and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: if there's a chance that I could, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: run into her, I should keep this. I snagged up
Speaker 1: photo that we took together from twenty years ago on
Speaker 1: my phone and I ended up getting to speak with
Speaker 1: her and I said, I have I met you at
Speaker 1: the White House and it was so amazing and I'm
Speaker 1: sure because she's met a million horns two people, and
Speaker 1: so I showed her the photograph and she loved it.
Speaker 1: She was like, look at my hair. I'm like, look
Speaker 1: at my hair. We were just like laughing at the
Speaker 1: fact that our hair was so hers hers was really short.
Speaker 1: It was really cute. She said she looked great, but
Speaker 1: we were totally laughing like old girlfriends about her hairstyles
Speaker 1: and what we were wearing. She goes, I remember that
Speaker 1: pink suit. I'm like, oh my gosh, I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know why I was wearing a man's blazer, but
Speaker 1: I guess that made me feel official. But we were
Speaker 1: dying and it was so funny, and yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a really cool thing. We got to go into all
Speaker 1: the different rooms and that we met in the we
Speaker 1: had a meeting in the mapping room together. And she
Speaker 1: just she loved Popular Mechanics for Kids because at the
Speaker 1: time she was involved in educational programming in the US
Speaker 1: and she was trying to get every broadcast station to
Speaker 1: at least have one or two educational programs for kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so when she saw that Canada was doing Popular
Speaker 1: Maccancs for kids, she ended up getting it syndicated through
Speaker 1: the States. And yeah, she really liked it. So it
Speaker 1: was really cool.
Speaker 3: That is so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on a broader scale, what were you like as
Speaker 2: a teen?
Speaker 3: Were you boy crazy?
Speaker 1: Not? Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that for you. I was. I wish
Speaker 3: I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I wish I didn't waste so many years of my
Speaker 2: life just being obsessed with boys. So I just, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that for you, Well, were you into.
Speaker 1: I think I was like an old soul.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I always thought that it's funny because it's so the
Speaker 1: opposite of how my personal life turned out. But I
Speaker 1: always thought that I wouldn't get married and that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have kids. And I was like dad set on
Speaker 1: being a professional and wanting to just be this like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Meryl Street. I was so driven and
Speaker 1: I had like the horse blinders on and I I mean,
Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend in high school that I had
Speaker 1: for many years and I didn't really yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't really have any others. And then it was
Speaker 1: but I was really focused on my career and yeah,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. And I was terrified about having children too.
Speaker 1: I felt like there's I was scared to, you know,
Speaker 1: be pregnant. I was scared to think that I could
Speaker 1: be like a great mom because my mom was so amazing.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, I'm such a working person.
Speaker 1: I don't see how this fits into my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then you know, you meet the right person and
Speaker 1: then those things become so clear, yeah, and so factual
Speaker 1: and correct, and yeah, you can't imagine not doing it.
Speaker 3: So totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that all shifted for me. But for many, many, many,
Speaker 1: many many years, it was just all work driven, which
Speaker 1: is crazy, right, And yeah.
Speaker 3: I really do though.
Speaker 2: I so appreciate that because it's the exact opposite of
Speaker 2: how I was, and I wish I had been like
Speaker 2: here I was from twelve to nineteen on boy meets World,
Speaker 2: working and all I could think, thank you, And all
Speaker 2: I could think was like, ugh, this career I have
Speaker 2: is really taking me away from my purpose, which is
Speaker 2: to get married and have children as soon as humanly possible.
Speaker 2: And I think part of that was the fact that
Speaker 2: my parents met at fifteen and got married at twenty one,
Speaker 2: and so I just had in my mind that like,
Speaker 2: that's what.
Speaker 3: I was going to do.
Speaker 2: And then of course that's not at all how my
Speaker 2: life turned out. But I spent all those years thinking
Speaker 2: that I was failing because that wasn't what was happening.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, like I just I'm so I loved
Speaker 2: hearing that you spent all those years being like, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna focus on me.
Speaker 3: I was a cold hearted No, you had a long
Speaker 3: term boyfriend.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that you didn't have love in your life.
Speaker 2: You just thought that was not what you were obsessed with.
Speaker 2: You were like, I'm gonna develop my sense of self,
Speaker 2: which I wish I had done more of in my
Speaker 2: umber years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. I feel like what you experienced, though,
Speaker 1: is very natural and makes a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I was just always conflicted as to why I didn't
Speaker 1: want any of those things, and I just thought, that's
Speaker 1: so strange to like not be one of like my
Speaker 1: girlfriends or even my sister. I remember my sister, like
Speaker 1: when we used to play when we were kids, it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, her dolls were her babies, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, babies, ill not babies.
Speaker 1: Ell.
Speaker 2: No, did you go to traditional school while you were
Speaker 2: working as a kid or did you were you always homeschooled?
Speaker 1: I went to traditional school, although my experience was so
Speaker 1: ridiculous because I probably should have been homeschooled. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of my last three four years of high
Speaker 1: school were you know, in the trailer and with the
Speaker 1: on set tutors and you know, the drill. I did
Speaker 1: all my exams and yeah, like the trailers. It was
Speaker 1: so weird. I mean I remember at one point, like,
Speaker 1: you know, your attendance report card at the end, and
Speaker 1: it was like, I think I missed like half the
Speaker 1: school year. But I will say when I was home
Speaker 1: and you know, I would get back from filming, it
Speaker 1: would go I'd go, yeah, just like a normal kid,
Speaker 1: I'd go straight to school and regular high school. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was weird. I I always
Speaker 1: felt like high school and elementary at the time because
Speaker 1: I was filming, felt like such a burden, like it
Speaker 1: was in my way right. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: like it was always aggravating because here I was trying
Speaker 1: to focus one hundred percent of my time and energy
Speaker 1: into what I was filming, and then they'd have to
Speaker 1: like rip me off set for two hours to study
Speaker 1: math and English, and I'm like, I'm not gonna need
Speaker 1: any of this. I want to learn English, and you know,
Speaker 1: I yeah, I was like, I don't want to like
Speaker 1: be in school. I have a job, Like, isn't the
Speaker 1: whole point of going to school to train to do
Speaker 1: something and I'm already doing it. So it always I
Speaker 1: always had this like real bad tug of war with it,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't wait for it to be over. And
Speaker 1: then now again ironically I wish I would have had
Speaker 1: like the college university experience and knew what that felt like.
Speaker 1: I never got to really do any of that, And
Speaker 1: I think i'd be a way better student now too,
Speaker 1: because I you know, as you get older, you your mind,
Speaker 1: you're quenched to like learn and take in new things
Speaker 1: and experiences. And I know what I'd want to study,
Speaker 1: and so it would be you know, at one point
Speaker 1: during COVID, I almost try to do some online university classes,
Speaker 1: and but then I was like, oh gosh, the kids,
Speaker 1: and I was like, nah, maybe not, I'll just keep
Speaker 1: drinking my wine.
Speaker 3: What would you want to study now?
Speaker 1: I think I would like history, art history. I think
Speaker 1: like Cornell had some really cool like women leaders in
Speaker 1: business nice. I don't know there was some other topics,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think like there were so many. And
Speaker 1: I was extremely dyslexic as a child, okay, and which
Speaker 1: most artists, I think most artistic people can be. It's
Speaker 1: not uncommon. But I really struggled and then but now
Speaker 1: I've found a way to you know, ease my mind
Speaker 1: work into it. I read so much now and so
Speaker 1: studying and all that I think would come a lot
Speaker 1: more naturally to me, so yeah, but I did end
Speaker 1: up doing it.
Speaker 2: Very similarly, I also did not enjoy or appreciate school when.
Speaker 3: I was I just it was. It felt annoying to me.
Speaker 2: It was not my favorite thing. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: do the bare minimum I could do to still get by.
Speaker 2: But then I did go to college at twenty seven.
Speaker 2: I studied, and I knew I wanted to study psychology,
Speaker 2: and I graduated and I loved it. So I think
Speaker 2: you're right that you now that you have a you know,
Speaker 2: a better understanding of what specifically you'd be looking for
Speaker 2: to you know, you could take any classes you want.
Speaker 2: You're not limited by like getting a specific type of degree.
Speaker 2: You'd probably be an A plus student and would love it.
Speaker 2: So I highly recommend just signing up even just one,
Speaker 2: one little class, you know, class online.
Speaker 1: Just like yeah, I dip my toe and your toe in.
Speaker 3: See what happens. If you end up loving it, you
Speaker 3: can always do.
Speaker 1: More amazing.
Speaker 3: When you look back.
Speaker 2: Would you consider yourself to be a cool kid because
Speaker 2: it seems like you'd be really cool.
Speaker 4: I don't know about cool, but I would say that
Speaker 4: I really got along with everybody I wasn't in like
Speaker 4: some mean girl clique or.
Speaker 1: I'd say it was like very much Canadian in the
Speaker 1: sense that I was super neutral.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's great.
Speaker 1: I Yeah, everyone's amazing. I would hang out with like
Speaker 1: the goth kids. I would talk to, like the athletes
Speaker 1: I liked, you know. But I did have my two
Speaker 1: really best girlfriends. They were like my steadfast like we
Speaker 1: were always thickest thieves together, Jan and Steph, and we
Speaker 1: were just they were my people. And then but I
Speaker 1: really got along with everybody and I so I would
Speaker 1: say not so much popular, but I don't think anyone,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think anyone had a problem with me, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you.
Speaker 3: Weren't offensive to anyone.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't. But I wouldn't say I was
Speaker 1: like the cool kid. I just think, Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, neutral would be the best
Speaker 1: way to describe it.
Speaker 2: Totally get that. Are you still friends with Jen and Steph?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Steph? You know I haven't talked to Stephan a while,
Speaker 1: but Jen, Yes, Jen, I I I'm still close with. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's uh that that those are friendships that you know,
Speaker 1: you go through life and they're just with you for
Speaker 1: so many years. Of it, and they've you know, they've
Speaker 1: been there through such interesting times too, and you're like
Speaker 1: adolescents when you're becoming an adult and going through those,
Speaker 1: like you said, those awkward teenage years. You know, we
Speaker 1: have so many funny stories and history together that you
Speaker 1: just it's undeniable, like it no matter how much time
Speaker 1: we have a part, or how much time goes without
Speaker 1: a phone call. I know that when I do speak
Speaker 1: to her, it's like we never left, and those are
Speaker 1: like so special and really, yeah, you kind of cherish
Speaker 1: those those friendships. It's because it's in your adulthood. It's
Speaker 1: really hard to make friends like that because the history
Speaker 1: is just not there.
Speaker 2: Exactly yep, I know, And they're getting to know such
Speaker 2: a I feel like friends you make now only get
Speaker 2: to know one very specific briide of you, version of you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: whereas you know, and this version of me is not
Speaker 2: even the best version, not that it's a bad version,
Speaker 2: but like there was a time before children where I
Speaker 2: was more fun and I'm just not as fun now,
Speaker 2: And so no offense to the new friends I have,
Speaker 2: but you're not getting the most fun me.
Speaker 3: You're getting a very kind of structured now.
Speaker 1: When we want to be like the fun version of ourselves.
Speaker 1: We pay for it totally, like there's no like I
Speaker 1: remember after having our first I had I forget. It
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know what we were doing, but
Speaker 1: we had a night out and my parents were watching
Speaker 1: our daughter and we got home at like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: twelve thirty and I certainly had too much wine or
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and I just wanted to, like, you know,
Speaker 1: treat myself. I had finally finished breastfeeding. I was like, oo,
Speaker 1: time to go. And that was the night my daughter
Speaker 1: decided in the middle of the night to have a
Speaker 1: flu throwing up. My head was pounding. It was like
Speaker 1: they know they can sniff out when you're trying to
Speaker 1: enjoy yourself exactly, you're just a little naughty. They just
Speaker 1: know when you want to be a little naughty.
Speaker 3: Totally. They're like, are you having fun without it?
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm gonna decide to get blue and you're
Speaker 1: like really, or my teeths are going to start coming
Speaker 1: in and I'm going to have a fever. Thank you.
Speaker 3: It's always the way.
Speaker 1: Oh they wait, They wait until you're in the worst
Speaker 1: position ever.
Speaker 2: So I want to go back to when you moved
Speaker 2: out to Hollywood, which I think was two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: you were not even twenty one. Two thousand, okay, so
Speaker 2: two thousand, you're not even twenty one years old. No,
Speaker 2: did you come out by yourself? Were you super nervous?
Speaker 2: Did you all like, did you know people?
Speaker 1: Now I didn't any This is a funny story actually,
Speaker 1: so I didn't know anyone. Like I said, I had
Speaker 1: a place at the Oakward Apartments, and I I'm not
Speaker 1: even kidding you. When I landed, I get to the
Speaker 1: apartment and I get through the door and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to like set up all my stuff. And
Speaker 1: really the only possessions that I had were like my clothing,
Speaker 1: my toiletries, and like twelve of my favorite DVDs. Because
Speaker 1: now we're talking. Wait, all these people kids listening to this,
Speaker 1: They're like, it's a DVD. Yes, I had DVDs, my
Speaker 1: favorite DVDs, and I opened my suitcase and they're all gone.
Speaker 1: So from the store loved, Yeah, from the time I
Speaker 1: left Canada to the time I got someone you know,
Speaker 1: in transit ended up opening my suitcase and stealing all
Speaker 1: my DVDs. So all I had was clothing and toils.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you I wasn't afraid to be
Speaker 1: in LA. I was excited. I was really ready to
Speaker 1: like do everything I could to make it and to
Speaker 1: hopefully get a job there. But what I will say
Speaker 1: is that the one thing I wasn't expecting was like
Speaker 1: the loneliness. And I think, you know, not having DVDs
Speaker 1: didn't help.
Speaker 3: Nothing to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean that was that was like my fallback of
Speaker 1: like I know it when I'm not like reading scripts
Speaker 1: and going to auditions.
Speaker 3: Mom's asked my favorite movies. Yeah, didn't even have that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was my first experience away. And you
Speaker 1: know how hard it is in LA to like meet people,
Speaker 1: You're either in your car. I'm sure your guests have
Speaker 1: said this. It's like LA is not a very easy
Speaker 1: place to just socialize. When you're in New York. You
Speaker 1: walk down the street, there's bodies, there's people everywhere. Yes,
Speaker 1: LA doesn't have that culture. So I just spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time by myself for a good I want
Speaker 1: to say, like gear, Yeah, pretty secluded and that was
Speaker 1: there were Yeah, there were moments where I just I
Speaker 1: didn't want to give up. I didn't It didn't propel
Speaker 1: me to like want to leave or give up on it.
Speaker 1: It was, but it was just a feeling that I
Speaker 1: had to like settle into my self and my loneeness
Speaker 1: and my comfortable just being comfortable with being by myself and.
Speaker 3: Being just with me, and such a good lesson.
Speaker 1: But it's really interesting to confront because when you when
Speaker 1: you grow up, you've got your siblings, and if you
Speaker 1: don't have your siblings, you have your cousins, or you
Speaker 1: have your parents are always there. You have your network
Speaker 1: of friends that you go to school and see every day,
Speaker 1: and then you're just like I was just picked right
Speaker 1: up out of that whole situation and then just pluck
Speaker 1: plunked myself down into an apartment with zero nothing, and
Speaker 1: I went, whooh, you know, and I didn't have a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: I didn't have It wasn't like I was like having
Speaker 1: like phone conversations with a long distance board. I really
Speaker 1: was very very alone. But it helped me focus on
Speaker 1: the goals, which were, you know, getting out there and
Speaker 1: succeeding and whatnot. So it wasn't totally bad, but wow,
Speaker 1: that was an interesting time.
Speaker 2: So when in that process after moving to LA did
Speaker 2: you read for twenty four.
Speaker 1: Six months into that, Wow, six months into that, I
Speaker 1: ended up.
Speaker 3: I had it.
Speaker 1: They don't do these things anymore, but or at least
Speaker 1: I don't think they do unless they're bringing them back
Speaker 1: and maybe you can tell me. But I had a
Speaker 1: network deal, like an exclusive network deal with Fox when
Speaker 1: I got there, so I was only allowed to audition
Speaker 1: for Fox shows pilots, Okay, that didn't cross over into
Speaker 1: the feature side of things, but it was exclusive for television,
Speaker 1: so my auditioning was Back then, there was a ton
Speaker 1: of stuff for men of every network, but you know,
Speaker 1: Fox definitely had a lot of stuff going on. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was lacking in anything as far
Speaker 1: as like auditions go, but I was only auditioning for them,
Speaker 1: and I got close to a couple of things, and
Speaker 1: then twenty four was but I was getting dangerously close
Speaker 1: to like the end of my stay, okay, and I
Speaker 1: remember being like, I don't know if this is going
Speaker 1: to work out, I'm gonna have to go back to Canada,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go to college or you know.
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't sure what was going to happen,
Speaker 1: and I was really nervous about it. All, and I
Speaker 1: ended up getting the twenty four pilot script, and it
Speaker 1: was my last audition before I was the deal was
Speaker 1: going to be up and I was going to be
Speaker 1: heading back, so there was a lot on it. But
Speaker 1: I also thought, you know, I took a crack at it,
Speaker 1: and maybe if I can go back and work in
Speaker 1: Canada and save up some more money, I'll have enough
Speaker 1: to keep going and come back. But then I went
Speaker 1: in and auditioned and I didn't hear anything for like
Speaker 1: a week, and then I got a call saying, oh,
Speaker 1: they want to read you again, and then they want
Speaker 1: to read you again, and then so it was like
Speaker 1: three four times I went in and then and then
Speaker 1: I had a screen test with Kiefer and it was
Speaker 1: like me and another girl, and I just thought, okay,
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. And I just gave it my all.
Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, I'm not gonna worry about it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put stress on myself. I'm just gonna go. Really,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be really prepared ready to go. And I
Speaker 1: went in and then I was driving driving home and
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, well, I guess this is it.
Speaker 1: And then as soon as I got into the apartment,
Speaker 1: I had a voicemail and it was my agent going
Speaker 1: turn back around. They want to do a wardrobe fitting.
Speaker 1: You're filming on Monday.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. So I called my
Speaker 1: parents and I was like, I guess I'm not coming
Speaker 1: home on Wednesday. Wow.
Speaker 2: Literally the lat like days away from you going home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I mean from the time the
Speaker 1: audition's process started with twenty four but by the time
Speaker 1: I ended up getting it, I was literally three days
Speaker 1: away from that was a Friday. They called me and
Speaker 1: they were like, you got it. It's good, You're good,
Speaker 1: and I'm You're gonna film on Monday, and I was
Speaker 1: supposed to my flight home to cam it was on
Speaker 1: the Wednesday, So I was cuttings. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't think they do that anymore, those exclusive
Speaker 2: audition deals.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I think the landscape is
Speaker 1: so different now and we have so many streamings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so And even like the auditioning process, I don't
Speaker 1: I can't even I went into I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've been in one recently, but I went into one
Speaker 1: audition like physically went in And now because we now
Speaker 1: we put ourselves on like if something comes up and
Speaker 1: they need a tape, you do it yourself. Now because
Speaker 1: of after COVID, everything has changed. And but I did
Speaker 1: get a call for a show recently, like I think
Speaker 1: five months ago or something, and they were like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: they're they're seeing people in person. And I went oh,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's fine, and so I
Speaker 1: prep it and I do everything, and then I got
Speaker 1: in there and there was like all the producers and
Speaker 1: then the camera. It had been so long, and I
Speaker 1: just I mean, I've been doing you You've been doing this.
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for decades, two decades, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I reverted back to like it's
Speaker 1: eleven years old. And I was like and I couldn't
Speaker 1: even speak, and I was like and I said, to know,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I have to start again. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, my hands are shaked. I'm like, why am
Speaker 1: I shaking? This is very weird.
Speaker 2: I have not been in an audition room in a
Speaker 2: very long time. But I did have my first like
Speaker 2: in person meeting, just you know, a non zoom meeting,
Speaker 2: and it was it was the same thing. I was like,
Speaker 2: you can see the lower half of my body. I'm
Speaker 2: not used to that. I like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: to do with my hands, And when there is a silence,
Speaker 2: I felt like I had to immediately fill it.
Speaker 3: It was so it was so weird. I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know how to have meetings in person anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was so funny because I had this
Speaker 1: like outer body experience, and that's sort of what like
Speaker 1: stumped me a little bit because as soon as we
Speaker 1: started getting into the scene, I like left my body
Speaker 1: and I started seeing myself, like you said, trying to
Speaker 1: fill the space. And I was like rushing through this
Speaker 1: dialogue and I was like, this is not even how
Speaker 1: I act. Like I don't even understand like what this
Speaker 1: performance is that I'm trying to pull off. But I
Speaker 1: was like I had to halt it. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, I was just like this is so weird.
Speaker 3: Sorry, let me start again. I'm going to take a breath.
Speaker 1: But I think it's just like another byproduct of that
Speaker 1: COVID experience in that we've now all had to sort
Speaker 1: of find ways to do what we do away from
Speaker 1: human beings and then to get myself into a room
Speaker 1: which used to be so normal to me feels so
Speaker 1: foreign because we're just so not used to the process
Speaker 1: with other human beings around, and that human connection it
Speaker 1: changed the energy within me in such a way that
Speaker 1: I was like taken aback and I thought, oh, I
Speaker 1: got to work on that, because that's not me and
Speaker 1: nor was it ever my experience before that. So I
Speaker 1: just got so used to sort of, you know, curating
Speaker 1: my own stuff, editing my own tapes, you know, doing
Speaker 1: all those things. So it was really an eye opener.
Speaker 1: But it's funny, I don't you know. We just did
Speaker 1: shot this show in Vancouver, and I will say that
Speaker 1: didn't feel any different, and filming didn't feel different, and
Speaker 1: if anything, that's like my happy place. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: those audition spaces are very awkward because it's just a
Speaker 1: weird room, an office. It's it's they're not they're not
Speaker 1: like the real deal.
Speaker 3: YEP, I totally know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 2: It feels very and also if you are very performative,
Speaker 2: you have you are literally there to perform, and yet
Speaker 2: you also are supposed to be based in reality and grounded,
Speaker 2: and so there's a there's like a real you where
Speaker 2: you talk for a little bit first and then you
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 3: Do the performative you.
Speaker 1: For you know, it was so funny. We didn't even talk.
Speaker 1: It was like okay, go and I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't even get to like no, like, how's the
Speaker 1: weather today?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 1: No? Nothing? No?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know that when I watched TV, because you know,
Speaker 2: we grew up in the business, I'm always wondering what
Speaker 2: was the shoot like, And when watching twenty four I
Speaker 2: remember constantly thinking, this seems very challenging. I am guessing
Speaker 2: there were a lot of middle of the night shoots,
Speaker 2: action scenes with stunts, intense continuity.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of running, too much running. If
Speaker 3: you ask me what was shooting that show.
Speaker 1: Like very intense. You nailed all the major points of
Speaker 1: that experience. I would say continuity for sure. But we
Speaker 1: had great continuity people, so that helped. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've ever been like on a quick film where
Speaker 1: you're like also having to focus on continuity. It's really difficult.
Speaker 3: It is very difficult.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's not great, but no, on that show,
Speaker 1: they it was it was like a well oiled machine.
Speaker 1: I will say so, I really only had to like
Speaker 1: dial in and focus on what I needed to do,
Speaker 1: but it was my stuff was very intense and trying
Speaker 1: to not make that character Kim Bauer feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: a burden in a way, you know, and and bring
Speaker 1: as much realism to the ridiculous scenarios that she was
Speaker 1: involved in. And I, you know, it's so funny. I
Speaker 1: have a couple of young actresses that I know now
Speaker 1: that are in that stage of their career where, you know,
Speaker 1: you hit an age where you're too young to do
Speaker 1: any of the younger stuff, but you're not old enough
Speaker 1: to play you know, the wife, the you know or
Speaker 1: the love interests, and you end up slotting yourself into
Speaker 1: the daughter role. Like at some point, if you're starting
Speaker 1: off as a child actor, you're gonna you're gonna end
Speaker 1: up being the daughter role. Yep, maybe even more than once.
Speaker 1: And the daughter role is really challenging because the daughter
Speaker 1: role is a role that I can't really die because
Speaker 1: it's it's too sacred. But at the same time, they
Speaker 1: have to write you in and find ways to keep
Speaker 1: your relevant. And you see that with a lot of
Speaker 1: different shows. Although Landman is doing a great job with
Speaker 1: you know, Ali latter's playing the amazing mom and her daughter,
Speaker 1: and you know, the their writing is becoming really interesting.
Speaker 1: But for a long time, I think that daughter role
Speaker 1: always felt like the Kim Bauer. I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like the epitome of the daughter role, right right,
Speaker 1: It's a stereotypical daughter role. But yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: was intense. It was a lot of fun though. But
Speaker 1: we did a lot of night shoots. We I remember,
Speaker 1: I think for like, I don't know what it was
Speaker 1: five months out of the year. I was sleeping during
Speaker 1: the day, work being during the night. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 3: Did you like being an action star?
Speaker 1: I did? Actually, I loved it. Yeah. I feel like
Speaker 1: House of Wax. I got to do a bunch of
Speaker 1: action too towards the end of the film, which is
Speaker 1: I got to pull my experience from twenty four. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Action is really is great. I love it.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this era we grew up
Speaker 2: into of the men's magazine. Oh yeah, every I mean
Speaker 2: the teen idol publication transformed into basically bikini photoshoots with
Speaker 2: matchups between us about who's hotter, which is super cool, brutal.
Speaker 2: Did that kind of attention make you uncomfortable at the
Speaker 2: time or did you just embrace it?
Speaker 1: Oh? I think I was pretty uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never really understood it, and I also knew
Speaker 1: that it was a beast of a thing that was
Speaker 1: that was undeniable and unavoidable, correct, right, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think there was a time or space where you felt
Speaker 1: like you could go to your publicism and be like,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I mean no, the viewership, the amount of
Speaker 1: people that tuned into that kind of stuff, and the
Speaker 1: volume in which the magazines were selling was beyond so
Speaker 1: it was undeniable and you just felt like anytime, or
Speaker 1: at least I did. I felt like anytime we were
Speaker 1: going to promote something, whether it was twenty four Old
Speaker 1: School or the Girl next Door especially, it was like
Speaker 1: get her on the cover of yeh Men's magazine.
Speaker 2: Yep, it was feel one of the highest I mean,
Speaker 2: it was one of the most sought after promotional tools.
Speaker 2: And that's how it was just sold to us that
Speaker 2: it was promo. It was promo for your projects.
Speaker 1: I think I resented it a little bit because I
Speaker 1: felt like it pulled me away from the ability to
Speaker 1: They just slotted me into that and made me feel
Speaker 1: like that's where I belonged, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I have so much more to offer than just my
Speaker 1: physical attributes, obviously, and I thought, you know, fashion magazines
Speaker 1: are not going to want to touch that or me
Speaker 1: in any way. And you know, that was the one
Speaker 1: issue I had with it, because once you got into that,
Speaker 1: it was like that was your esthetic. And really, like
Speaker 1: when I would film or when I would shoot those magazines,
Speaker 1: I always felt like the least version of myself phone
Speaker 1: right right, because I was just like, Okay, let me
Speaker 1: look at the racket clothing and what am I? What
Speaker 1: am I? How far can I go without feeling like
Speaker 1: I wasn't? And if you look back, I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like the only things I ever did for those
Speaker 1: magazines was like bathing suits, because I thought, well, I
Speaker 1: I can you know, I frolic and bathing suits all
Speaker 1: the time. So I wasn't too worried. So I really
Speaker 1: tried to stay as far away from like lingerie as
Speaker 1: I could. So I was trying to like find my
Speaker 1: happy medium and my balance in that. Yea. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and those lists would come out and I actually didn't
Speaker 1: even care for those, to be honest, I know, I
Speaker 1: I just thought they were another byproduct of this like
Speaker 1: crazy thing that was that timeframe. And I'm just I
Speaker 1: said to the actress that I just worked with Sadie Soverall,
Speaker 1: who's so great on every year after that. I'm just
Speaker 1: so glad she's coming up in a time where because
Speaker 1: she's so beautiful and she'll get a chance, she's gonna
Speaker 1: do all these like beautiful fashion magazines and she'll do
Speaker 1: all these great things. But I'm like, I'm just so
Speaker 1: glad you're growing up in the industry at a time
Speaker 1: when you don't like, you don't have to do those
Speaker 1: sorts of things, or you don't feel like those are
Speaker 1: the biggest things that are available to you to promote
Speaker 1: what you're involved in.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 2: They definitely also, like you're talking about with you know,
Speaker 2: looking at the rack of clothes, they shaped a certain
Speaker 2: type of cool girl aesthetic that didn't actually take into
Speaker 2: consideration women at all. It was just whatever they decided
Speaker 2: men thought was cool. And so, yeah, you're right that
Speaker 2: now so much of what is available to women out
Speaker 2: there with fashion magazines and is really about your own
Speaker 2: taste and your own style and showing who you are
Speaker 2: as a person.
Speaker 1: So the nice thing is too, is that I feel
Speaker 1: like magazines in general are kind of shifting away because
Speaker 1: of social media. And the great thing about social media.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of bad stuff about social media, but
Speaker 1: I will say the great thing is that we're in
Speaker 1: control of what we want to curate now, yep, exactly,
Speaker 1: So like I can decide what I want to show
Speaker 1: people that have interest in me, what I want to
Speaker 1: show them, you know, And so it takes the control
Speaker 1: back a little bit and the power, and it feels
Speaker 1: really great to not feel like you have to expose
Speaker 1: yourself in any way and you can decide what you
Speaker 1: want to do, which is so great.
Speaker 3: So great.
Speaker 2: Well, that leads us to The Girl next Door, which
Speaker 2: was a big breakout role for you, and if nothing else,
Speaker 2: will forever keep you alive through the power of gifts.
Speaker 2: You You're beautiful, you will live forever in gift form.
Speaker 2: This movie is so funny, it's very sweet, and you
Speaker 2: are wonderful in it. But I also imagine that this
Speaker 2: wasn't a very easy role for you.
Speaker 1: No. Again, I was twenty, and I certainly it's funny.
Speaker 1: I was telling another friend of mine the other day
Speaker 1: about it, because again, a lot of these memes, gifts,
Speaker 1: whatever like are all over and which I it's so amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that people still feel connected to the
Speaker 1: film and enjoy it, because I certainly do. But I
Speaker 1: was I was saying to her that I think I,
Speaker 1: even though the role wouldn't be right for me now,
Speaker 1: I would have had more confidence doing that role at
Speaker 1: forty three yea than I did at twenty, which seems
Speaker 1: weird probably to people, But I think at twenty it
Speaker 1: felt like such a departure from my confidence and womanhood
Speaker 1: that I really felt like I was doing a great
Speaker 1: acting job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, oscar Worthy because yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is such a departure. But I
Speaker 1: think people were like, oh, of course, that's how yeah,
Speaker 1: you should look and feel. And I remember it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of hair and makeup, a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: smoke and mirrors. I mean, luckily I was twenty, so
Speaker 1: it was a good time to be doing that part.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I could be in those
Speaker 1: outfits again, but I do I will say that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think people are surprised to hear from me that
Speaker 1: I would have probably felt more comfortable doing a role
Speaker 1: like that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, listen, I couldn't agree with you more. There
Speaker 2: is something about when you're a teenager and then you
Speaker 2: become a young woman and you've been in the entertainment
Speaker 2: industry and all of a sudden people look at you
Speaker 2: and they go, now you are a powerful sexual being
Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm actual just still a teenager. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm barely out of my teens. You were twenty and
Speaker 2: you don't feel that way, but everyone's looking at you
Speaker 2: like that's who you are, that's how we perceive you.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, requires requires quite a bit of acting.
Speaker 1: And I also do, like I always I laugh because
Speaker 1: of Meil Hersch and I we joke about it. But
Speaker 1: like there's like a love scene at the end of
Speaker 1: the film in the in the limousine after prom and
Speaker 1: my because it was in the back of a limousine,
Speaker 1: my side of it. Filming was literally with like an
Speaker 1: apple box, which for people at home that don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like just a square little box and that with
Speaker 1: no a meal, with no like interaction with him at all,
Speaker 1: just a camera and this box and then flip side
Speaker 1: for a meal as well. I mean he was on
Speaker 1: the other side of it. And then just like kind
Speaker 1: of looking up into camera. I mean, so it's funny,
Speaker 1: like people don't realize that the movies take a certain
Speaker 1: you know, you have to really put yourself out there
Speaker 1: and go for it, and it's not always the most
Speaker 1: comfortable situation, and it's certainly not as it always seems
Speaker 1: when you're when you're watching the film, but it all
Speaker 1: comes together really beautifully. And I really cared about that
Speaker 1: character a lot because I thought, you know, she had
Speaker 1: a lot of heart and soul and she was vulnerable,
Speaker 1: and I didn't look at it as a movie about
Speaker 1: a porn star who was just sort of silly and frivolous,
Speaker 1: you know. I really felt like she was searching for
Speaker 1: her soul and her her purpose and falling in love
Speaker 1: with this young man was a part of her journey.
Speaker 1: And I just thought it was a beautiful film. And yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was. It was. It was a
Speaker 1: definitely a difficult film to do, but it was. I
Speaker 1: really do love it so much.
Speaker 2: I want to touch on House of Wax because I
Speaker 2: think it is very fun.
Speaker 3: First of all, did you like the movie?
Speaker 1: I did like the movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, good.
Speaker 1: I was happy with the movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Secondly, and related, will you join my fan club for it?
Speaker 1: Well, I will help you run it. I it okay, great, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you loved it, okay, because yeah I did.
Speaker 1: I really you know, that was one of like those
Speaker 1: moments where it was like a pinch me moment on
Speaker 1: set because Joel Silver, who was like this huge producer
Speaker 1: and he was running Dark Castle at the time, that
Speaker 1: was doing like all these amazing big horror films, and
Speaker 1: I just remember being on set and like when you
Speaker 1: when you know, when you're on a movie and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this budget is yig, Like this is not some like
Speaker 1: middle ground, small independent film. This is like this is
Speaker 1: the big boys are out yep. And I remember being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've bade it, like I'm on my I'm leading a
Speaker 1: really big feature and it was just incredible and surreal,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking like, this is this is what
Speaker 1: I dreamed about, This is what I This was the dream,
Speaker 1: This was the goal that I wanted to be an
Speaker 1: actress on, like a real film, you know, a Hollywood
Speaker 1: movie that I knew was people were going to see,
Speaker 1: and and it just felt great and it was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun, and like Jared Patalechi and Chad, Michael
Speaker 1: Murray and Stilson. It was really it was a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful time and we had so much fun. We were
Speaker 1: in Australia. We had a great time together.
Speaker 3: And another very physical sect.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes, very and a lot of stunts
Speaker 1: and fire and of course.
Speaker 3: Wax, of course, yes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a really it was really intense.
Speaker 1: But I have to say I had a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I had the energy for it, and I was just yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to like kick ass, and yeah it was good.
Speaker 2: Well after a four year hiatus, yeah, you are back
Speaker 2: on screen for Prime videos every year after. Did you
Speaker 2: feel at all rusty coming back or did it just
Speaker 2: feel like the most natural thing ever?
Speaker 1: It was it was like a breath of fresh air,
Speaker 1: like it felt so good. It did because I was
Speaker 1: I was emotionally ready for it, and I didn't have
Speaker 1: this burden of like I'm leaving my kids behind. And
Speaker 1: that's why I had to take the time because after
Speaker 1: I had after we had our first I was pregnant
Speaker 1: throughout that on the ranch with Ashton Kutcher and I,
Speaker 1: So I was pregnant, really pregnant for that, and then
Speaker 1: had her while we were like filming and had to
Speaker 1: go back and was like breastfeeding through film. Like it
Speaker 1: was really hard to like juggle both of those worlds
Speaker 1: for me. And then so when we had I was
Speaker 1: on another film with Josh Jammel in Atlanta called Bandit,
Speaker 1: and I found out I was pregnant on like while
Speaker 1: we were there, and I thought, Okay, once this movie
Speaker 1: is over, there's no way because I had such bad
Speaker 1: morning sickness while we were filming that movie and I
Speaker 1: just thought, no, no, no, no, I'm not doing this again,
Speaker 1: like I can't, Like I just can't. And then so
Speaker 1: what I thought was only going to be about a
Speaker 1: year or two ended up turning into four. You know
Speaker 1: how the years just sort of fly by. But then yeah,
Speaker 1: and then when yeah, every year after it came around
Speaker 1: and the project I started, you know, wrapping my head
Speaker 1: around coming back to filming and being a part of
Speaker 1: something again. And the show came about. I was like
Speaker 1: I read the script and I thought, wow, well, how
Speaker 1: perfect you know, sort of art imitating life in that
Speaker 1: the Szoo character is such a maternal force for this show,
Speaker 1: and I thought, wow, this is like the perfect back
Speaker 1: introduction into coming back to work, and I just yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to set, and that all all felt very
Speaker 1: very natural, funny enough. That felt really good And I
Speaker 1: didn't feel at a place or nothing felt awkward. It
Speaker 1: just felt like it goes exactly where I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 3: Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2: That's a great feeling because you know, similarly to what
Speaker 2: we talked about going back into an auditioning room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that didn't feel good at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that didn't feel good. So knowing like showing up
Speaker 2: on set and being.
Speaker 3: Like, ahh, this is right. I'm alostay.
Speaker 1: I never as much as I would I would always
Speaker 1: have to like really prepare for auditions. I will say
Speaker 1: I never was like the greatest at it to begin with.
Speaker 1: So I think auditioning is always awkward, like taking that
Speaker 1: much time off. I was like, oh, not so great
Speaker 1: for me. But yeah, no, the set felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like my home. Yeah, it always felt that's always
Speaker 1: felt like home. I've never felt uncomfortable on set.
Speaker 2: Good every year after began as a beloved romance novel,
Speaker 2: especially within the book talk culture, were you will of
Speaker 2: the rabid fandom and did it scare you a little
Speaker 2: bit when you were trying to figure sue out. I mean,
Speaker 2: you are obviously competing against what they've had in their
Speaker 2: heads for all this time.
Speaker 1: And I think I always will be competing with what
Speaker 1: people have in their heads because as an avid reader myself,
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I have a vision. But
Speaker 1: it's funny. I don't know for people that read if
Speaker 1: they feel this way. And maybe I'm alone on it,
Speaker 1: but when I read, I have an idea, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of fuzzy mine too.
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more. Yeah, it's very It's
Speaker 3: very like with a filter, a blurry filter.
Speaker 1: It's a blurry filter. I mean it's clear, but it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I always like, let myself have a little grace
Speaker 1: and that, like, I wouldn't be disappointed if so and
Speaker 1: so played that character. But I will say I do
Speaker 1: have I think I have a sort of an aesthetic
Speaker 1: for it, but a blurred vision of it. But I
Speaker 1: I will say, when I got the script, I then
Speaker 1: found out that it was based on a novel by
Speaker 1: Carl Fortune, and she's Canadian, and so even more so
Speaker 1: I was really because being Canadian, I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I now that I know that i'm doing
Speaker 1: the show, I'm going to read the book. So I
Speaker 1: got the book and I was hooked, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was so well written. I ended up reading the
Speaker 1: next book based on the other son's character, Charlie's character,
Speaker 1: and then I read all her other books. I went
Speaker 1: into like this crazy fandom thing myself with Carly's novels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then of course, because of my algorithm, I ended
Speaker 1: up figuring out what book talk was, and so I've
Speaker 1: got I do I do see and get a lot
Speaker 1: of recommendations based on obviously liking all.
Speaker 3: That other stuff exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, as far as like, sorry, your question
Speaker 1: was the pressure, you know, I will say that I
Speaker 1: did put a lot of pressure on myself because I
Speaker 1: had a vision for her, Like I said, a little
Speaker 1: blurry vision, but I did have a vision for her.
Speaker 1: But my biggest thing was if if I could take
Speaker 1: away anything from the novel, and what Sue meant to
Speaker 1: me was that like she just had this like joy
Speaker 1: and love and presence about her and everyone wanted to
Speaker 1: be around her. Yeah, So I was just like, as
Speaker 1: long as I can convey that and people feel like
Speaker 1: they love Sue, then I feel like I've done a
Speaker 1: good job, so I hope. I hope they feel that
Speaker 1: and that passion I have for her from reading it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Good, Well, I can't wait to see it. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen it yet, but I can't.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, the perfect summer show You're gonna love.
Speaker 3: I cannot wait, and I want to read all the
Speaker 3: Should I read the books first? Though?
Speaker 2: Because I do love to read, So I'm wondering, like,
Speaker 2: should I watch and then read?
Speaker 1: I will discourage you from reading first, but I will
Speaker 1: say I would maybe watch it because then the book
Speaker 1: you'll kind of know where the story goes, and there
Speaker 1: might be some spoilers, got it? So maybe I just
Speaker 1: watch and then. But what I will say is, why
Speaker 1: don't you watch this season and then read the next
Speaker 1: book which takes Pasey. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Perfect, Great, I'll start. I'll start first with watching, then
Speaker 2: I'll read the.
Speaker 1: Next time and then read Meet Me at the Leak.
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, good plan.
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