Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys
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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well,
Speaker 1: you do have the Draft show, and we're taking it outside.
Speaker 1: Rare for us, rare for us to get out here.
Speaker 1: It is beautiful out here. It's nice to see a
Speaker 1: lot of folks standing outside here and at the various
Speaker 1: restaurants on the balcony. We're at the entertainment district here
Speaker 1: the Star at on Cowboy Way. I'm excited about this.
Speaker 1: It's kind of nice. It's nice to get outside because
Speaker 1: the draft will be here, and how much the draft
Speaker 1: will be now we'll be here at the Star and
Speaker 1: a lot of the activity be over at at and T.
Speaker 1: But man, it's nice to kind of do something a
Speaker 1: little different. It's one of the big reasons the draft
Speaker 1: is so great because it brings spring back, you know,
Speaker 1: the warm weather, and it's one of the reasons the
Speaker 1: draft so much fun. That is that is an angle
Speaker 1: I had not thought of because I'm not from Ohio.
Speaker 1: You know where I'm from, it's warm most of the
Speaker 1: year instead of like climbing out of the single digits
Speaker 1: around April. Yeah, it is well, very happy to be
Speaker 1: out here. We're on the same stage where Pat Green,
Speaker 1: Texas Legend will be performing to night in front of
Speaker 1: the crowd at seven thirty to night. And this is
Speaker 1: a all weekend event too, So this is the first
Speaker 1: night and this thing will go all the way through
Speaker 1: April first, so make sure you come out and check out.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we eat these restaurants quite a bit
Speaker 1: and enjoy all the food and entertainment and stuff that
Speaker 1: the Star has to offer. But speaking of being entertained,
Speaker 1: Dane Burgler, David Hellman and I hit a couple of
Speaker 1: Pro days this week. We got to go to the
Speaker 1: University of Texas and then to Texas A and M.
Speaker 1: With the two that we did, I put him in
Speaker 1: reversal order there, but the two big pro days there,
Speaker 1: and it was it was interesting to see these players
Speaker 1: live the workouts, and you know, we've always talked about
Speaker 1: how important Pro days were, and you know, we came
Speaker 1: away with I mean I know I did, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out something about with Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: you know, and at the University of Texas. And I'll
Speaker 1: get to Christian Kirk because that was the one that
Speaker 1: Texas A and M because he I've got questions about
Speaker 1: him too, though, But I'm trying to figure out where
Speaker 1: teams would see Connor Williams. I mean, you know your
Speaker 1: evaluations that you have. You know he's a tackle. Can
Speaker 1: he play guard? I'll tell you what. Yesterday the Saints
Speaker 1: worked him as a center, So I mean it was
Speaker 1: just and David loves it when I make that. Yet
Speaker 1: make this, hey, nobody, you got excited about it wrong
Speaker 1: when nobody loves the workout more than me. When you
Speaker 1: see what these coaches do with these guys, But where
Speaker 1: do you see Connor Williams has kind of become a
Speaker 1: little bit of a forgotten guy when we start talking
Speaker 1: about some of the other tackles, guards and stuff in
Speaker 1: this draft. And we talked about right before. You watched
Speaker 1: the two and sixteen tape his sophomore year in All
Speaker 1: American season for the Longhorns, you saw a future left
Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL. You watched this year, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you have some reservations. You think about maybe
Speaker 1: inside and guard. It's gonna be split among the We
Speaker 1: talk to different people around the league, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: see a guard, so we're gonna see a tackle. Thirty
Speaker 1: three inch arms. That's kind of the cutoff right for
Speaker 1: a lot of teams in terms of of arm length
Speaker 1: for the outside the edges playing tackle position. You talked
Speaker 1: to different teams, You're gonna get different answers, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad to see that he worked out at center. If
Speaker 1: you gonna show your versatile it's only gonna help your
Speaker 1: cause on draft day. So I think Connor Williams has
Speaker 1: a chance to go in the first round, depending on
Speaker 1: what the team is looking for, if they want to
Speaker 1: guard a tackle, how they view him. But the more
Speaker 1: he can do, the better. So good to see that
Speaker 1: he worked out across the different positions. At the Prode
Speaker 1: David and the Posts workout interview, he kind of offered
Speaker 1: that he's visiting with the Cowboys. Yeah, which this is
Speaker 1: It's always a funny line to try to designate with
Speaker 1: these local guys. Malik Jefferson and Connor Williams both they
Speaker 1: both plan on visiting with the Cowboys, but they're both
Speaker 1: local kids, right, So I think Connor said his visual
Speaker 1: his visit was official, but it doesn't seem like it
Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense to have to bring a
Speaker 1: guy from Capelle in on an official visit. To me,
Speaker 1: when you, I mean he can come up here whenever
Speaker 1: he wants to, since he's from the metropolitan area. That's
Speaker 1: what Malik Jefferson said. He's got a thirty visit planned
Speaker 1: with another team on Dallas Day, which is the local
Speaker 1: prospect right here in a week, so he's going to
Speaker 1: set something else up because again, he can come whenever
Speaker 1: he wants. So I'm not one hundred percent confident that
Speaker 1: those guys fall on the thirty list, but I am
Speaker 1: confident that they will both be up here meeting with
Speaker 1: the staff, you know, between now and the draft. I
Speaker 1: think the thing that I was driving at here is
Speaker 1: is this team looking at Connor Williams to potentially be
Speaker 1: a pick at nineteen. I think if you're turning over
Speaker 1: every stone, you'd be dumb not to look. And I
Speaker 1: haven't watched all this tape. I'm not the experts that
Speaker 1: y'all are, but look at him yesterday. I was very impressed,
Speaker 1: and I said this while we were you know, we
Speaker 1: were working on a video that we're doing our staff here,
Speaker 1: not comparing their level of play. I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: an all pro, but Connor Williams reminded me of Tyrn
Speaker 1: Smith in terms of his build. His build he looks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks you know you think of like a big,
Speaker 1: sloppy offensive line. Yeah, this is not that guy. This
Speaker 1: is a streamlined athlete. Like doesn't look like there's an
Speaker 1: ounce of fat on him. He's fluid, he's quick, he's athletic. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he could play all five positions on the line,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if Tyrant could do that. But
Speaker 1: like I said, like, I just was so impressed by
Speaker 1: his workout and and how athletic and quick he looked.
Speaker 1: I he's a bendy guy. Yeah, I mean you want Yeah.
Speaker 1: The first thing they did was they got him down
Speaker 1: into like almost like a catcher stance where you put
Speaker 1: your heels flat and then you bend your back, keep
Speaker 1: your back straight and ben straight down from the knees,
Speaker 1: and the ones that can't do it end up getting
Speaker 1: caught forward and easy. It's like the coach said, Okay,
Speaker 1: just try and put your rear on the floor and
Speaker 1: he went straight down and then he sat there and
Speaker 1: you're like going, my gosh, and in his hips too,
Speaker 1: like why he's opening his hips and showing how well
Speaker 1: he like the same thing. Yeah, that's the first line
Speaker 1: of my report. Flexible knees joins the sit in his
Speaker 1: stance and maintain balance. And that's the biggest thing for
Speaker 1: offensive lineman because the guys that can't sync their hips
Speaker 1: right and dropped their hips to anchor, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: a tough time versus NFL pass rushers. And I only
Speaker 1: Connor Williams has a problem with that. My biggest issue
Speaker 1: with him is opening his chest to defenders getting inside.
Speaker 1: So he needs him work on the technique with his
Speaker 1: hands right. But from an athletic standpoint, it's all there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't want to derail you, Brian, But can I
Speaker 1: can I lead us in a thought exercise real quick?
Speaker 1: If we're investigating and educating and if the point of
Speaker 1: the draft is to have an open mind. Talked a
Speaker 1: lot about maybe Lyle Collins moving to guard something they
Speaker 1: see fit. All right, you look at what are some
Speaker 1: tackles you could draft in the first round. I think McGlinchey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you draft Connor Williams. Maybe you draft him with
Speaker 1: an eye on being a developmental swing tackle in his
Speaker 1: rookie year, and he could be a tackle of the future.
Speaker 1: If you move Lyle to guard, you could have him
Speaker 1: ease into the right tackle role or maybe even play
Speaker 1: left tackle if he's up to it, if you know,
Speaker 1: depending on what the future holds for Tyrant Smith. So
Speaker 1: if you're telling me they're looking at tackles, I'm not
Speaker 1: super surprised, then I'm not gonna say I would love it,
Speaker 1: but I could at least understand why they might be
Speaker 1: interested in Connor Williams in that range. Yeah. Am I
Speaker 1: crazy for thinking that? No? I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: mean we've kind of talked about that. I know Dane
Speaker 1: would not entertain draft in a car. We know how
Speaker 1: Dane feels, Dan, Dan, would you feel different if it
Speaker 1: was drafted as a tackle? Um, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: tough discussion because you're not drafting necessarily a starter unless
Speaker 1: you're gonna move lay all inside, right, So there's some
Speaker 1: debate going on there about what's the best move about
Speaker 1: the best five on the field. Sure, I'd be open
Speaker 1: to it, but I want a defensive playmaker. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with Dane, but again, in the in the
Speaker 1: in the interesting, you can't rule it out open mind.
Speaker 1: And well not only that, but sure you talking about
Speaker 1: drafting a Roquan Smith to not necessarily be a starter,
Speaker 1: but to supplement your linebacker corps him and Jalen working
Speaker 1: together or what happened to Like I said, you could
Speaker 1: move Violet a guard and not even start Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: You could start Cam Fleming for a year and then
Speaker 1: you've got four more years of Connor Williams as a
Speaker 1: starter in the future, if that's the way he decided
Speaker 1: to go. Regardless about the tackle guard debate and all that,
Speaker 1: is Connor Williams worth a nineteenth pick in your opinion, Ryan,
Speaker 1: I think that he is. I do, I mean, I
Speaker 1: do think that Connor Williams is a guy that I
Speaker 1: look at him, and after that workout yesterday I kind
Speaker 1: of had you know, I'm with you on the twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen tape. The seventeen tape was a nightmare for him.
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking I'm sitting here thinking, man, this guy
Speaker 1: was a productive high school player, he was a productive
Speaker 1: college player. Everything kind of lines up for him is
Speaker 1: coming in here and having success, much like or with
Speaker 1: any team. I'm not just talking the cow was sure,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the nineteen yes, much like much like Harold
Speaker 1: Landry up at Boston College. Though what injury had a
Speaker 1: big part to do with connor Ways struggles in twenty seven,
Speaker 1: It's not like he forgot how to play. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that last time we met and had the show,
Speaker 1: Dane was talking about throwing names at nineteen. I guess
Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing. I'm throwing a name at nineteen
Speaker 1: that we we really haven't talked a whole lot about
Speaker 1: Connor Williams being a name at nineteen, which do we
Speaker 1: know was weight from yesterday to wants to play at
Speaker 1: three oh five. He wants to play at three oh five.
Speaker 1: That's his ideal. But Dave's right, man. Physically, he just
Speaker 1: looks and you think about what he could do in
Speaker 1: this scheme where it is about movement, it's about second
Speaker 1: level blocks, it's about getting outside, you know. I just
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things. So I'm like, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that you guys said, Okay, look again, I'm all about
Speaker 1: trying to get this thing to how many names can
Speaker 1: we get at nineteen? How many different options can we get?
Speaker 1: And I think the way that the Cowboys are going
Speaker 1: to these workouts, they're trying to get as many names
Speaker 1: as they can, and they're gonna narrow this thing down
Speaker 1: when they start their draft meetings on April ninth. That's
Speaker 1: when they're gonna that's when the board, the stack, all
Speaker 1: that stuff is going to be set. And that's and
Speaker 1: as many names as they've got to go with. I
Speaker 1: think you want options there, and they it might even
Speaker 1: allow them to say, well, heck, we could trade back
Speaker 1: two or three spots. That's a great point. But that's
Speaker 1: what That's what I was asking you guys last week.
Speaker 1: Where's the range for Roquan Smith? You guys gave me
Speaker 1: great answers on that. Where's the range on Derwin James?
Speaker 1: Great answers on that? And I think the range on
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, Yeah, probably eighteen to thirty two? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think that maybe maybe twenty four. The Saints
Speaker 1: worked him out and there are twenty seven, I believe
Speaker 1: is what they're at now. So you know, twenty seven
Speaker 1: twenties somewhere right there, suit to me. And they lost
Speaker 1: the right tackle, by the way, the ram check Yeah
Speaker 1: but he but yeah, but ram check left tackle. This
Speaker 1: guy put him at the right tackle. Yeah yeah, but okay,
Speaker 1: don't no, don't don't know. But no, you're right, Dane,
Speaker 1: You're right there. But I just kind of I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to think of I'm looking at range, I'm looking
Speaker 1: right if everyone needs more offensive line helps, So yeah,
Speaker 1: what if what if someone? If it was somebody? What
Speaker 1: if one of the quarterbacks is still there at nineteen
Speaker 1: lamar jack? What if it? Now you're talking about somebody
Speaker 1: trading up from the back end? Okay, who are you
Speaker 1: comfortable going down? Now? I mean I always yell at
Speaker 1: you guys about Dave. Don't give me more. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. But maybe maybe when
Speaker 1: you're looking at guys like Connor Williams, down for Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: you could probably go down for DJ Moore. Yeah. Colton
Speaker 1: Miller is gonna be in that discussion too, whether we
Speaker 1: agree with that or not. Yeah, point that is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Colton Miller. That's a good point there as well.
Speaker 1: To Dane's point, I would not love that pick. That's
Speaker 1: not a knock on Connor Williams. It's just a knock
Speaker 1: on what this team needs. Yeah, but he looked like
Speaker 1: a first round player to me just watching him go
Speaker 1: through his workout. I think the top two tackles in
Speaker 1: this draft Mike McGlinchey from Notre Dame Honor Williams from Texas.
Speaker 1: I think mcglinchey's the safer pick, right, Williams has the
Speaker 1: higher upside, and I think I agree with you there.
Speaker 1: I agree with there. O'Neil was a guy initially from
Speaker 1: pitt that kind of got my attention, and I think
Speaker 1: there's a drop off between that. I mean, I'm McGlinchey
Speaker 1: Williams and then Okay, there's gonna be some drop off
Speaker 1: there him Brown from Oklahoma. I mean, you're gonna you know,
Speaker 1: I talked to a team the other day that's at
Speaker 1: the back of the draft that's interested in so, I mean,
Speaker 1: keep an eye on him. And a lot of people said, oh,
Speaker 1: terrible combine, will never be picked and all that. I
Speaker 1: got a team that said, yeah, no, no, hey, we're
Speaker 1: okay with this guy. Yeah, you're okay. Hey, you gotta
Speaker 1: trust the tape on him. Okay, we're gonna take a break,
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break, and then we're gonna come
Speaker 1: back after this. I want to do some Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty. I want to finish up too, talking about
Speaker 1: the Texas defensive kids too, don't forget about and exactly
Speaker 1: talk about them. And also I want to talk about
Speaker 1: Kirk Is another guy. And then we'll also get through
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Speaker 1: be looking forward to that. This team, Okay, I want
Speaker 1: to get back into what we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 1: This I want to flip it nowt to Christian Kirk
Speaker 1: and that you know, the position drills only for Christian Kirk.
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel threw him the football and hey, he couldn't
Speaker 1: have had a guy that put more on him. You know.
Speaker 1: Johnny did a really nice job with that. But David
Speaker 1: talk about a little bit of the what, well, let
Speaker 1: me do this. I'll do what I did. I kind
Speaker 1: of I kind of said it. I'm gonna set it
Speaker 1: for you here, all right. Dane talk about people think
Speaker 1: about him slot receiver, right and they worked him outside
Speaker 1: quite a bit though. Talk about okay, transition where are
Speaker 1: you on Christian Kurt Not so much the round or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but where are you on playing ability?
Speaker 1: And what could he have to show you in a
Speaker 1: workout in order to kind of maybe uh check boxes
Speaker 1: for you or make you get a little bit more concerned. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's a finally tuned athlete. I don't know that he's
Speaker 1: necessarily as explosive as very quick, very very fair, but
Speaker 1: he's actually does an actually job of handling his throttle,
Speaker 1: you know what, meaning he can get in and out
Speaker 1: of his route breaks very efficiently, create his own space.
Speaker 1: And that's why he's so dangerous in the slot. The
Speaker 1: big question on the outside can't he beat press? What
Speaker 1: is he gonna do against big, physical defensive backs in
Speaker 1: the NFL who make contact strup the timing? Can he recover,
Speaker 1: get open, separate? I think he's best in space, That's
Speaker 1: why he's best in the slot. Now, how did he
Speaker 1: do during the workout when he did go on the outside? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that we saw the routes were good. I
Speaker 1: like the you know, the slant stuff might be a
Speaker 1: little if he was playing against somebody in his face,
Speaker 1: might be a little more difficult for him, you know.
Speaker 1: I think the further you remove him from the ball,
Speaker 1: maybe the more trouble that he might have. Because again
Speaker 1: there was stuff that he was trying to break on
Speaker 1: inside and I was thinking, like get it to him, now,
Speaker 1: get it, you know, because the further way was is
Speaker 1: But then Manziel hits him on a deep ball, vertical
Speaker 1: nine and stuff. So yeah, I see exactly what you
Speaker 1: talk about. I'm worried about him against the press. That's
Speaker 1: where you can't simulate that in approach you can't. And
Speaker 1: then I think that you know, the Cowboys and Calvalaro there,
Speaker 1: we've talked about that. Calvalaro is probably gonna stand over
Speaker 1: him and just bang him all day and try and
Speaker 1: let him release into these routes and see if he
Speaker 1: can do it. But I thought he caught the football
Speaker 1: very well. Yeah, I think I could say Manziell put
Speaker 1: some good put some good ones on him and the people.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got a couple of visits, he said.
Speaker 1: He talked about Arizona being one of them. That's his
Speaker 1: home state. And then and he's also got Seattle, and
Speaker 1: these are two teams ahead of the Cowboys, you know,
Speaker 1: that are that are interested in in bringing him in
Speaker 1: So I man, I have a hard time with him
Speaker 1: as a first round player, I really really do. But
Speaker 1: you know, I could see somebody, I mean, we laugh
Speaker 1: about New England at thirty one? Is could that be
Speaker 1: your slot player that you know that that that's that's
Speaker 1: their guy, that type of a productive player. This uh.
Speaker 1: And this isn't a knock on him as an athlete
Speaker 1: or as a football player, but Christian Kirk just scares me.
Speaker 1: And that I mean certainly at nineteen and even at fifty,
Speaker 1: just because you know, and it's ironic because I was
Speaker 1: just talking about Connor Williams as at least an intriguing
Speaker 1: option as like a project player. You wouldn't You wouldn't
Speaker 1: consider that at nineteen, would you. Well, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: not drafting a wide receiver to be a project for
Speaker 1: this team. Right. If you're drafting an offensive lineman, you're
Speaker 1: drafting him onto the strongest unit on your team, and
Speaker 1: you can probably get away with giving him time to develop,
Speaker 1: especially as much as you love D G. J. Moore.
Speaker 1: Right If I'm well, just I love a lot of
Speaker 1: the receivers in this and if I'm drafting one of them,
Speaker 1: I want results right away, right, and I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: that's never a guarantee, but I want to give myself
Speaker 1: the best possible bet. It scares me that Christian Kirk
Speaker 1: didn't play a lot outside. It scares me. His dimensions
Speaker 1: indicate that he might have a problem against the press,
Speaker 1: all that type of stuff like It just it scares
Speaker 1: me to think that he might not blossom into what
Speaker 1: you want until year two or three. And that's not
Speaker 1: why this team's drafting a wide receiver, because if you
Speaker 1: spend a big time asset on a receiver, we were
Speaker 1: pretty sure that means there's some changes coming to your
Speaker 1: receiver corps right well. And part of the appeal of
Speaker 1: Kirk is special teams. What do you can do is
Speaker 1: return man? Yea. And they worked on the Cowboys. They
Speaker 1: were down there working him out. Though they worked him out,
Speaker 1: set the special teams coach down there to watch him
Speaker 1: catch butts. I'm not suggesting Ryan, there's an all pro.
Speaker 1: But they have a return man, they have two capable
Speaker 1: slot receivers. It just it doesn't fit for me. And
Speaker 1: if he can if he can become more than that,
Speaker 1: if he can become a dynamic receiver on the outside,
Speaker 1: too awesome for him, but I don't trust that it's
Speaker 1: going to happen as quickly as I wanted to for
Speaker 1: this team, and like something about him just puts me
Speaker 1: off and that maybe that's more on me than him,
Speaker 1: but that's just how I feel about it. I think
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is a great player. I just think he
Speaker 1: has a low ceiling as an NFL player. I don't
Speaker 1: and I think he has a high floor too, meaning
Speaker 1: he's not going to be a bust, right, I feel
Speaker 1: confident in saying that, But I don't think he's going
Speaker 1: to be an all pro either. I don't think he
Speaker 1: has that type of potential where he's going to be
Speaker 1: a number one or he might not even be a
Speaker 1: number two for your team, and that might be his
Speaker 1: best role as that slot that underneath target and playing
Speaker 1: the YU. It's where does where's the value of a
Speaker 1: guy like that? In the draft? Right? In my ranking
Speaker 1: sees number six among the wide receivers. Sure, so you
Speaker 1: know a guy like Corton Sutton who doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 1: the production or uh not as polished in some areas,
Speaker 1: but he has high upside to be a number one
Speaker 1: where Kirk doesn't have that. Did you hear what he
Speaker 1: ran today? Did he run or did he stay stay
Speaker 1: on four? Five? Five? I didn't see it. I didn't see.
Speaker 1: I was trying to kind of and I ran into coach.
Speaker 1: I ran into Coach Garrett and he was walking around.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, Rocky was running for governor here. He
Speaker 1: was talking everybody but me, But yeah, I was I
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking that. You know, he rand four
Speaker 1: or five five at the combine and I wondered he
Speaker 1: stayed on that time or they try to get him outdoors,
Speaker 1: you know, with the wind a little bit and maybe
Speaker 1: get a little bit pick up some speed like that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's focus a little bit on the defensive
Speaker 1: players that you know where we talked about Dave for
Speaker 1: the University of Texas. You know the guys where you
Speaker 1: know we Jefferson before. I struggle with him a little
Speaker 1: bit though the way, and I just give me a
Speaker 1: thumbnail on him, Dane and kind of how you you
Speaker 1: see him in this in this draft. It's a fantastic athlete. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's physical, contact driven, high character guy. The big worry
Speaker 1: with Malik Jefferson, it's just the natural instincts. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's a guessers reacts first, then he thinks, and that'll
Speaker 1: get him in trouble sometimes. So if you can simplify
Speaker 1: his reads, I think he's gonna be a quality player
Speaker 1: for you. But again, he's very young in mind in
Speaker 1: terms of what he sees and diagnosing it and reacting
Speaker 1: in time, So you do worry about that because of that.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be our first round player.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be somewhere on day two. But he
Speaker 1: didn't run or he didn't do the forty right, No,
Speaker 1: he did not stayed on his time which started four
Speaker 1: or five, five two as well or something like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he just kind of but the workout. It's
Speaker 1: funny the Saints and the Bengals put him through the workout,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of thinking that I saw a
Speaker 1: little bit he smut an athlete, though. I saw a
Speaker 1: guy with a little stiffness to him. Though you know
Speaker 1: with some of the movement you can when he when
Speaker 1: he was lateral, it was a little bit like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: I've seen you. I've seen you go, I've seen you,
Speaker 1: he mean, and it was like he was it was
Speaker 1: like he was fighting himself a little bit yesterday and
Speaker 1: that that was kind of a that was troubling to me.
Speaker 1: I was shuttles. He did shuttles, but it was like
Speaker 1: I think the time he didn't do him at the
Speaker 1: combine and I was watching him do the shuttles. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you the drill that it got me was the
Speaker 1: they put him through the bags. We had to move laterally,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was he was It was like
Speaker 1: he was trying to run and he was just it
Speaker 1: was not as smooth as I've say. I mean, because
Speaker 1: you've seen him make plays where he's kind of seen
Speaker 1: it and gone and been lateral and all that, and
Speaker 1: then but those drills, I mean, I was like coach Nolan,
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan did a great job of trying to move
Speaker 1: him around to make you and then they ran him
Speaker 1: on a wheel route and he looked like he was
Speaker 1: okay doing that in the coverage aspect of it, but man,
Speaker 1: it was just kind of up and down at yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was a good athlete and I was like, going,
Speaker 1: come on, man, I just I wanted to see more
Speaker 1: of that athletic ability from him. I just didn't see
Speaker 1: it though. Talk about though, as well, Okay, Elliot, the
Speaker 1: safety we've him Okay, watch another guy. We saw it.
Speaker 1: I mean we saw a couple of safeties at A
Speaker 1: and M. I think it's funny that. I mean we
Speaker 1: saw Elliott and or Watson. Elliott on back to back days,
Speaker 1: by the way, or Watts he with the two ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his his weight is. It's it's funny. He's going from
Speaker 1: one ninety one Senior Senior Bowl to two ten and
Speaker 1: I don't know two two two And I don't know
Speaker 1: if somebody's telling him strong safety, bulk up, you know,
Speaker 1: I just don't know where that direction is going. But
Speaker 1: it's hurting how he's moving. I don't see. I didn't
Speaker 1: see a guy that was really athletic. And when he
Speaker 1: when you watch him on tape, you know the things
Speaker 1: he could do. Who'll come forward, I'll hit you. We've
Speaker 1: talked about him a bunch, but I worry about him
Speaker 1: putting on so much weight. Did he can't move at all?
Speaker 1: Stands out to you the most about Elliott. He talks
Speaker 1: all the time. He does talk a lot. He's a
Speaker 1: very encouraging guy. He's a he's a raw rock kind
Speaker 1: of guy. He's very raw, raw. His teammates kind of
Speaker 1: like they look at him. And they kind of move away.
Speaker 1: Oh but he's a he's he's one of these interesting
Speaker 1: discrepancy players, not unlike Malik Jefferson in my opinion, because
Speaker 1: depending on you know, some people are like, oh, this
Speaker 1: guy's gone by pick sixty, and some people are like,
Speaker 1: and you can get this guy in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, usually you hear more, uh, you hear
Speaker 1: more agreement more often than not, like most people kind
Speaker 1: of have the same idea, but you get some polarizing
Speaker 1: opinions about this guy. Would you be surprised if Sean
Speaker 1: Elliott was taken on day two? Yeah, I would so,
Speaker 1: because what's happened when you watch what game was that
Speaker 1: they ran right by him. I mean it was I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember Picky, I know. Yeah, see that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That turned the deep speaks. He is a
Speaker 1: stiff athlete, but I mean he almost ran me over.
Speaker 1: I got in the way on one of the drills
Speaker 1: that it was kind of I was a little too
Speaker 1: close to the drill. He had six picks, like I
Speaker 1: got to get the intrigue. I get what I do.
Speaker 1: And but ball, because he does have ball skills. I
Speaker 1: mean when he catches the ball he's got. You see
Speaker 1: the hands, I could see the hands, but man, the
Speaker 1: movement is just and then and then you're talking about
Speaker 1: the burst and all, I'm like, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: And well, and most of his interceptions were not overthrows,
Speaker 1: they were not him creating. No, he deserves credit. He
Speaker 1: made the pick, he created, or he finished eternal. You
Speaker 1: gotta give a guy a credit for finishing. Oh no, no, no, hey,
Speaker 1: hey if the ball is going to him, hey, maybe
Speaker 1: the balls gravitates tour. Maybe that's his bit. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you know, but I would be surprised if he's picked
Speaker 1: in day two. I really would be surprised. Fourth, fifth round,
Speaker 1: I think that. I'll tell you somebod I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised it's picking day two. That Poonaford. Yeah, that guy
Speaker 1: right there. Five. Yeah, you were on him very early
Speaker 1: about that. It's hard. It's hard not to with as
Speaker 1: good as he was him sounding the wide receiver. He's
Speaker 1: found one and two combine snubs this year. You guys
Speaker 1: sound like Rod Marinelli. It's like the orphan, like, oh,
Speaker 1: nobody wants him, we'll take him. Well, they see five
Speaker 1: eleven and they he's not for everybody. Yeah, but when
Speaker 1: you're when you're a three hundred and twenty pound man,
Speaker 1: you take your shirt off and you do care and
Speaker 1: you're out there doing the drills. You're a self confident player.
Speaker 1: You identified with that, and you're like, that's what I
Speaker 1: would look like. I was wanting to be him. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I feel like taking off my
Speaker 1: shirt scouting him, you know what I mean. But it
Speaker 1: would have been a bad idea. Glad you didn't do that.
Speaker 1: But no, I mean he I'll tell you what. The power,
Speaker 1: the explosiveness. I mean, I'm watching him go through those
Speaker 1: bags and I'm cheerleading for the guy. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: slapping it those bags. Got that heavy bass to him.
Speaker 1: He's knocking the bags all over the place, and I'm like, going,
Speaker 1: get it big, Villa, just keep getting it big. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of those. There's some those guys in
Speaker 1: this draft that way, those one technique short daddy players.
Speaker 1: Stack him, stack him now, do it. Don't just say
Speaker 1: South Florida. South Florida is my favorite short daddy guy. No,
Speaker 1: where's poona poona? I got him. I got him in
Speaker 1: the third, third round. I got him the third round
Speaker 1: Dans laughing at me right now, I think, no, Dane's
Speaker 1: probably got him the fourth fifth, I got three to four. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: who I feel a little bit better about that he's
Speaker 1: having the three. It's I think I had him in
Speaker 1: the third coming out and not even I mean before
Speaker 1: I went into the workout. I had him there. So
Speaker 1: I just just it's one of those interesting conversations because
Speaker 1: we all agree you should trust the tape, but like
Speaker 1: then it comes to a point where where can you
Speaker 1: just not ignore the measurables? I mean, are you're really
Speaker 1: going to draft a five ten and a half five
Speaker 1: eleven d tackle in the top one hundred, Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you could attack the gap the way though. I never
Speaker 1: understood the height, you know, not drafting player because he's shorter.
Speaker 1: Like if anything you're creating, you have a low natural
Speaker 1: leverage the kid from South Florida, right, I don't understand
Speaker 1: he's a lower guy as being a weakness. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I understand in length, I understand maybe not
Speaker 1: being a wide body for an interior player, but for
Speaker 1: being short. You know, I know Aaron Donald, He's not
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Right. When you have that natural leverage, you
Speaker 1: get underneath blocks, play load of the ground. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna get moved out one guy. Yeah, you have some mobility.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Cincinnati they worked him out. That's my team.
Speaker 1: You're so jealous, you know me? I yeah, I need
Speaker 1: to work for the Bengals. I'd say it every year.
Speaker 1: I got your boy lawsons, I got your boy mixing
Speaker 1: or we're trying to get Dane a job and I
Speaker 1: gotta get him. I gotta get to Cincinnati so I
Speaker 1: can get him a job. That's why. That's why. Butts
Speaker 1: my team right there. They don't care. They don't care.
Speaker 1: They draft, They don't look at measurable. They's draft good players.
Speaker 1: That's all they do. That's all they do. You don't
Speaker 1: think they have like, they don't have like a measurement.
Speaker 1: They don't care. They don't care. I mean, Dane is
Speaker 1: Dane would be on their staff. Give him logic and
Speaker 1: then I'd be able to shut up Dane. We're gonna
Speaker 1: draft this punaform. Speaking of players that Bengals probably like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Holton Hill, Uh, there's another one. No. No, First of all,
Speaker 1: I think it's his workout one very good Dane. First
Speaker 1: of all, I think it's a good sign that he
Speaker 1: was able to work out of Texas. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: suspended and definitely towards the end of the season, he's
Speaker 1: got him off field stuff. Just the fact that he
Speaker 1: was invited there and worked out. He said at his
Speaker 1: interview after it was over that you know, it's all good.
Speaker 1: He's got a great relationship with Herman and all the
Speaker 1: guys down there. So yeah, I mean that's encouraging, you
Speaker 1: know what. I was watching him work out, and I
Speaker 1: was expecting him more of a more athlete because on
Speaker 1: the tape he will knock you out. He can tackling corner.
Speaker 1: In this draft, that's that's a very first statement. I
Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't want to talk about holding
Speaker 1: Hill because I want him to be sitting there like
Speaker 1: pick one thirty seven, you know, like I like and
Speaker 1: I think they would take him. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: since Bengals, would you write me would damn right? They would?
Speaker 1: I I don't know, they might not. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know that's been a that's been a non starter for
Speaker 1: them in the past. Do you think about Marcus Peters
Speaker 1: for a big difference between a guy with problems like
Speaker 1: that at sixteen and a guy with problems like that
Speaker 1: at one thirty seven, So I would do it just
Speaker 1: I mean, his his tapes awesome, and yeah, whatever his
Speaker 1: workout was lackluster, I don't care. His tapes awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was kind of funny, Dame to watch him move
Speaker 1: because on tape, you know, you do see a guy
Speaker 1: that's got that range, the ability to turn run open.
Speaker 1: And when they were doing stuff individually with him, he
Speaker 1: wasn't as smooth. It wasn't as it was a little
Speaker 1: bit clunky the way he was trying to drive, and
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, your tape, your team's good. Keep you know,
Speaker 1: getting cheerleading over there for the kids, almost getting hit
Speaker 1: in the couple of drills because I was too close. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They there are people on site at these pro days
Speaker 1: that tell you where you're supposed to stand, and Brian
Speaker 1: just ignores him. And he's like, oh, I'm fine, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: thank you. I need to go here and scout, thank you.
Speaker 1: I know what I mean. That's the way nobody else
Speaker 1: is within twenty yards of these workouts. And Brian's like
Speaker 1: standing next to Jim has it like, yeah, Jim, make
Speaker 1: him going around the back of Hey, Mike, Mike, turn
Speaker 1: him a little bit this way, turn them to the left.
Speaker 1: I want to see him. I want to see him.
Speaker 1: I want to seven explode off that foot. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. No pro days are good. I'm glad we
Speaker 1: got to go. Speaking of pro days, as we get
Speaker 1: through Cowboys, we saw Rod Marinelli leading a pro day Florida.
Speaker 1: They are active, aren't they. How about my guy Tevin
Speaker 1: Bryan right there? Is that at nineteen. There is that
Speaker 1: we're throwing that name in there at nineteen and then
Speaker 1: then let's that's where're gonna have to draft him if
Speaker 1: you want them. Yeah, he's talking to be there at
Speaker 1: fifty year. We both okay, trade back, right we talk
Speaker 1: about if we go back maybe at the end of
Speaker 1: the draft my mock draft right now, I haven't going
Speaker 1: twenty to the Lions. So you're not trading back if
Speaker 1: you want them. Just killed the dream of Tevin Bryan
Speaker 1: right there. If you trade back and you can take
Speaker 1: him at nineteen, yeah, you know, I don't there's a
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be taking ahead of you
Speaker 1: at nineteen, but he'll be there him or hearst rss
Speaker 1: rated higher. But you know obviously, right, that's yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interpreted differently by thirty two different teams, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I worry what their medical staffs tell them,
Speaker 1: the you know, input they're getting from the just different
Speaker 1: medical opinions about the heart. Is it something long term
Speaker 1: you worry about. It's it's something we can't really answer
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be different from team to team. He's
Speaker 1: a first round talent, there's no question, but we're still
Speaker 1: kind of you know, TBA on him. If I told
Speaker 1: you they would take pain from Alabama at nineteen, what
Speaker 1: would you say to that? I would just okay, that
Speaker 1: would be okay, okay, very taco like no, no, I
Speaker 1: liked and I even like taco. I'll wear that badge.
Speaker 1: I like taco more than y'all did. That's the way
Speaker 1: great sport code today. Thank you that I look like
Speaker 1: I'm a starget Pepper's Lonely Hearts cut band, a plate
Speaker 1: of tacos, So you look good man. Um, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: hate that pick like I kind of break it down
Speaker 1: into like hate it wouldn't hate it, love it, like
Speaker 1: if they drafted pain and be like, all right, let
Speaker 1: me hit him one more time with this one. Dane
Speaker 1: Banderish or pain Pain And how about you, young man?
Speaker 1: Uh getting the linebacker? I like Painting And they're both
Speaker 1: I think they're closely rated on my board. Uh, they're
Speaker 1: both like in that late twenties range on my overall board.
Speaker 1: I actually, well, and how about Brian or Vanderish? Still
Speaker 1: probably Brian, just just just for and it's really more
Speaker 1: about what that. Yeah, it's you know, you're playing of
Speaker 1: the snaps, you're getting after the passer. Like I again, ideally,
Speaker 1: ideally this linebacker that you're talking about drafting won't be
Speaker 1: on the field that much hopefully. Yeah, that's the that's
Speaker 1: the stated goals. So I'd much rather have Josie Jewel
Speaker 1: at fifty, who can play a role but not necessarily
Speaker 1: be the guy. And yeah, give me a guy who
Speaker 1: can bulk up my past rush at nineteen. Dank I
Speaker 1: get Juliet fifty, I think so, Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: he'll be somewhere in that second round range. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be that second tier of linebackers. So when we get
Speaker 1: into day two and we start talking guys left on
Speaker 1: our board, Josie Jewel will be a guy up on
Speaker 1: that board. I think band Rush won't be I think
Speaker 1: he'll be taken in the first round and then I
Speaker 1: think we reset the board the top linebackers. You're looking
Speaker 1: at Josie Jewel, Uh, Fred Warner from b Y Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lee Jefferson Texas, Fred Warner. Give me one of these three. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fred Warner got a visit from from our boys. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: like I said there, I mean it's pro Day. They
Speaker 1: are active. I mean they went down. The whole staff
Speaker 1: went down to Obama. Cavalaro went to an M to c. Kirk,
Speaker 1: they were at at Provo. They went to see Marcus
Speaker 1: daven Park, they went to see Taven Bryant. Like they're everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's not like act like these guys aren't scouting.
Speaker 1: Yeah No, everybody's like, oh, they're sitting at home doing nothing.
Speaker 1: There Definitely they're scouting Fred Warner in the second round
Speaker 1: or you might even be there in the third. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but it wouldn't be a bad pick. Say
Speaker 1: say that Josie Jewel or a Warner at fifty. It
Speaker 1: depends what you want. I mean Fred Warner is more
Speaker 1: of an outside guy. Yeah, he could cover Jewels more
Speaker 1: of your middle linebacker's Yeah, it depends what you want.
Speaker 1: But I have warrener rated just ahead of Jewel on
Speaker 1: my board. Give me give me a day two linebacker
Speaker 1: who can be an understudy and contribute to the cause,
Speaker 1: but preferably not start, and let me address something that
Speaker 1: really needs boosting more so at pick nineteen if I can.
Speaker 1: And if if if Sean Evans or Layton vander esh
Speaker 1: is the pick, certainly if Roquan Smith is the pick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. But there's things you could address
Speaker 1: before linebacker that I think you can get away with it.
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Speaker 1: a just a question from our buddy right here. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: should at least answer your question. Absolutely shoul answer that question.
Speaker 1: So he wanted to hear about Justin Reid right, the
Speaker 1: Stanford safety, which is that right? We wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about Justin Reid, right, so we want to see about
Speaker 1: we talked about I mean, and he kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of de Sean Elliott, which I think that was
Speaker 1: another part of that question, which is asked ten different
Speaker 1: people how you feel about him, You'll get ten different answers.
Speaker 1: Because I've certainly seen him mocked in the first round.
Speaker 1: I know YouTube gentlemen are not particularly high on his game,
Speaker 1: So like, help me boil this thing down, Like what
Speaker 1: are we actually talking about here with Justin Reid. Justin
Speaker 1: Reid for me, was one of those go back and
Speaker 1: watch type of guys. Yeah, because four fourth to combine, right,
Speaker 1: I tested really well? Yeah, I mean I didn't change
Speaker 1: my mind too much. But I think he minimizes mistakes
Speaker 1: more than Elliott does. He's not stiff like Deshan Elliott is.
Speaker 1: He doesn't labor when he's asked to turn and run.
Speaker 1: He can do that. He has some range. He was
Speaker 1: productive like Deshan Elliott was five picks this year. Right,
Speaker 1: So I feel better much better by Justin Reid than
Speaker 1: I do Elliott. It reads to me, I don't see
Speaker 1: a first round. Guy. I see a guy's gonna be
Speaker 1: go somewhere on day two and he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a big time playmaker round, but I think he could
Speaker 1: be a solid starter in this league. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: at times, and Dane's got him nail. I thought at
Speaker 1: times he struggled with his eyes. I didn't know if
Speaker 1: he if he always saw everything the right way. But
Speaker 1: the ball does gravitate towards him, you know, whether it's tipped,
Speaker 1: intercept man, whatever, the ball tends to go to him.
Speaker 1: And I kind of liked him. I did. I thought
Speaker 1: the athletic ability, moves well, the wrap up tackling works
Speaker 1: to cut this guy off when he's covering. Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't really know in the film. It didn't like
Speaker 1: he had closing speed, but his time speed was the
Speaker 1: four to four. Oh, and I'm kind of like that,
Speaker 1: and that's where I think Dane was talking about. You
Speaker 1: had to go back and say, wait a minute, now,
Speaker 1: he didn't. I didn't. I had a note like no
Speaker 1: closing speed, and then he runs four to four and
Speaker 1: you're thinking, Okay, did he train to run four four
Speaker 1: or is he that type of a player. So yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all wouldn't take him in the first round, But would
Speaker 1: you be shocked if he goes in the first round. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: because of safety, not a strong safety group. Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: a guy I think he's a free myself. Well, that's right.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like three technique, Like, yeah, find ones
Speaker 1: like Dron Payne and some of these other guys. But
Speaker 1: if you want a three technique, you better grab Taven
Speaker 1: Bryan pretty quickly. Right with the free safety Derman James,
Speaker 1: he can do a little bit of everything. But once
Speaker 1: he's gone, I mean, who's the next free safety off
Speaker 1: the boards? Maybe I'm trying to try. I'm trying. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you want a free safety, if you
Speaker 1: have that need, you better get your guy early because
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get him later. My impression of read
Speaker 1: is that nineteen is too rich. But I bet he's
Speaker 1: not there at fifty. I think that's fair, certainly possible. Fair,
Speaker 1: really good question from Perry. I mean, going back to
Speaker 1: last year, we mentioned our guy Taco. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the the prevailing logic coming out of last year was
Speaker 1: that they drafted Taco because they felt better about getting
Speaker 1: defensive backs later in the draft. You know, they wanted
Speaker 1: to get there in that of the way. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to have to try to find one at pick sixty.
Speaker 1: What position is that this year? You know, like where
Speaker 1: they're I mean, by the time you get to fifty,
Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of options. We you just
Speaker 1: might have mentioned this just the safety and I would
Speaker 1: say mentioned three technique. Yeah, Maurice Hurst is a top guy.
Speaker 1: Tavin Ban Yeah, and then and after Tavin Bryan. I mean,
Speaker 1: who you looking? I totally agree with you because I
Speaker 1: was looking, I mean Shepherd. Maybe do you have Shepherd
Speaker 1: as a one? I think he's interchangeable. Yah know, he
Speaker 1: see I have him as a three. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: looking at I'm talking about you know, Hurst and Shepherd
Speaker 1: and and Brian and those guys. Yeah, that's it. It's
Speaker 1: a big, big drop off, maybe even the drop off
Speaker 1: at tackle offensive tackle. It might be another one too,
Speaker 1: because we we hammered early in our show about mcclinchey
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame, about Connor Williams and now where is it?
Speaker 1: Is it O'Neill? Is it Colton Miller? That's fine? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just swallowed real hard when he said that. But no,
Speaker 1: at Hey, but that's you know, hey, one of the
Speaker 1: three technique. I want to mention to Sean hand Alabama. Alabama. Yeah,
Speaker 1: worked out, He's I'm not I'm being talked about enough.
Speaker 1: He's kind of that big defensive ent. Move him inside
Speaker 1: the three TECHNI yeah. Someon his good production from the
Speaker 1: You're to Go on day two and I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have We're gonna hear about him his rookie year.
Speaker 1: I like it all right. I mean, Texas better be
Speaker 1: sending us a check for all the pub we're giving
Speaker 1: them on this show. They were very nice to us.
Speaker 1: They were, They really were. This is a question from
Speaker 1: Adam which I want to know the answer to too,
Speaker 1: because I got to look at this guy yesterday. Why
Speaker 1: isn't anybody talking about Chris Warren. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I had a scout from a team. I was kind
Speaker 1: of making a joke. I was standing there trying to
Speaker 1: get in the way again, and I was writing next
Speaker 1: to a couple of scouts, and I asked this one guy,
Speaker 1: I gotta go go, I go, who are these backs
Speaker 1: you watching? He goes that big one right there. For
Speaker 1: anybody that does Texas, it's hiss. Yeah, exactly Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here and I'm going I'm going, you know what,
Speaker 1: I go really and he goes, yeah, you need to
Speaker 1: watch this guy. Go watch twenty sixteen. Yeah, yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1: This past season was pretty much a disaster for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but still I don't know what he he he is
Speaker 1: so thick. I mean you I mean, he is huge.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean when he walked by me, I'm like, going, mind,
Speaker 1: he looks like a big tight end. Looks like a
Speaker 1: tight end. He does. Mean, he looks like a big
Speaker 1: tight end. I'm thinking, like, I'm like, well, where does
Speaker 1: this guy play? But you're saying it maybe an h
Speaker 1: I do, Maybe he's a guy I need to look
Speaker 1: at because but he caught the ball. Well, he's got
Speaker 1: the body type. But I don't know, like an every
Speaker 1: down back, you know. I mean, I don't mean, I
Speaker 1: mean in a way you want to just keep handing it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he gets better or he gets worse,
Speaker 1: but the body type is surely there. It is one
Speaker 1: hundred percent there. He's a little bit of a different
Speaker 1: guy too. He Uh. When he was deciding where to
Speaker 1: go after high school, he literally flipped a coin between
Speaker 1: Texas and Washington Live, and he was ready to go
Speaker 1: either way and pick Texas and that's where he ended out.
Speaker 1: All I know is I watched him run rough shot
Speaker 1: over Texas Tech a couple of years ago. I mean
Speaker 1: like two hundred and something. Yeah, he's a he's an
Speaker 1: impressive physically how he looks. Like again, I need to
Speaker 1: go back because when he does get picked, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be embarrassed of not being able to say, well,
Speaker 1: this is what he did on take because the workout
Speaker 1: wasn't terrible. But he's a prancer for a big guy
Speaker 1: when he runs. Remember he was running the forty day.
Speaker 1: Maybe we were kind of timing him and he and
Speaker 1: then it's like he was coming down at you. He
Speaker 1: kind of looked like a big old Clydesdale running at
Speaker 1: chat here. You know. Yeah, he's a traditional one cutback.
Speaker 1: He has versatility as an h back and that's going
Speaker 1: to be appealing. So he gets a shot to get drafted.
Speaker 1: I think he hasn't been able to stay healthy and
Speaker 1: that's been a big boat. If it comes up on
Speaker 1: the clock, I'll give you the team. If he comes up,
Speaker 1: I'll give you the team that told me like no,
Speaker 1: you need to watch this guy. There you go, you
Speaker 1: need to watch that guy. Uh. Fun fun thing about
Speaker 1: our show. I mean there's so many ways, there's so
Speaker 1: many outlets you can you can go to for draft coverage, right,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming to us. But I mean, like
Speaker 1: so many people with so many diferent opinions. And one
Speaker 1: of the most interesting thing about this year's draft cycle,
Speaker 1: and I know why because we're afraid of the big receivers.
Speaker 1: But we don't really talk about Courtland Sutton. We haven't.
Speaker 1: We like we do. I mean we've covered him, we
Speaker 1: covered him at the Combine four or five, five, but
Speaker 1: so many people talk about him in the mix for
Speaker 1: pick nineteen or maybe a first round pick. We don't
Speaker 1: talk about him that way. So it was his pro
Speaker 1: day today. Jason Garrett was there, Sanjay Law the receivers coach,
Speaker 1: also Hall, Chris Hall was there. So let's just revisit Courtland.
Speaker 1: I think the last time we talked about him was
Speaker 1: probably when he ran at the combine And just how
Speaker 1: are we feeling about this guy, big physical power forward
Speaker 1: on the football field and you are encouraged by what
Speaker 1: he did the combine and you love his upside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. He's my number four receiver and a big
Speaker 1: reason for that is because he's one of the few
Speaker 1: receivers in this draft that can actually be has potential
Speaker 1: to be a number one in this league. Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 1: as much as I love him, I think he's a
Speaker 1: high end number two. Same thing with DJ Moore, which
Speaker 1: those guys that are one as starters on my team.
Speaker 1: But if you're talking about that Julio Jones and AJ Green,
Speaker 1: that big number one receiver. Two guys in this draft
Speaker 1: stand out is having that type of potential. They're not
Speaker 1: there yet. But the dunder name kid Equiminia Saint Brown
Speaker 1: and then Courtland Sutton and what he did at the
Speaker 1: combine gives you optimism that he's going to get better
Speaker 1: because he's a very He's a one speed route runner,
Speaker 1: and that's the biggest worry, is canny separate at the
Speaker 1: top of routes. He can win fifty fifty balls. We
Speaker 1: know that, but you still have to be able to
Speaker 1: separate and at the NFL level, and his shuttles, his
Speaker 1: short area agility times we're outstanding at the combine, so
Speaker 1: you think he can do it. He's capable, physically capable
Speaker 1: he just it's going to come down to muscle memory
Speaker 1: and working on those finer points of the position. Just
Speaker 1: please let him go somewhere where they can teach him
Speaker 1: how to run routes. Yeah, just don't. Don't just throw
Speaker 1: him in the deep end of the pool and say
Speaker 1: go run routes. Because his program, he came from, his scheme,
Speaker 1: We talked, did him no favors about running routes. We
Speaker 1: talk all the time about how that's the strength of
Speaker 1: san Jay Laws. Yeah, that's absolutely can work. Absolutely. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna contribute in the NFL as a rookie wide receiver,
Speaker 1: you better have one of two things. You either be
Speaker 1: a polished route runner like Michael Thomas from Ohio State
Speaker 1: to the Saints. He's a polished route runner, or used
Speaker 1: to be a physical marvel like Odell Beckham when he
Speaker 1: came into the league to the Giants. You have to
Speaker 1: be one of those two things if you're really going
Speaker 1: to contribute as a rookie. And that's why for a
Speaker 1: lot of these receivers we've seen Laquon Treadwell, Corey Coleman, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys have struggled. Just Daxon, we've
Speaker 1: seen these guys struggle early on because they're not one
Speaker 1: of those two things, and it's just gonna take some
Speaker 1: time before they're ready to face bigger NFL defensive backs
Speaker 1: face press, gained chemistry with the offense, and I guess
Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating to me. We'll see who's right. But
Speaker 1: our show, I think we look at Cortland and Sutton
Speaker 1: more is like pick forty to sixty ish, that's sounding fair, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think yeah. I think I consider thirty maybe higher
Speaker 1: than that. Thirty to forty is what I would say, okay,
Speaker 1: and I feel like other outlets consider me even higher
Speaker 1: than that. I mean, he is a popular pick at
Speaker 1: nineteen for the Cowboys. I'm fascinated to see whose opinion
Speaker 1: kind of turns out to be more correct. Well, and
Speaker 1: not sure where to go. I think opinions on him
Speaker 1: are pretty similar. Just the value that's kind of hard
Speaker 1: to pinpoint, because again we're talking about upside a guy
Speaker 1: who has to learn how to run routes and maybe
Speaker 1: he can do it, maybe he can't. We won't really
Speaker 1: know until he gets into an NFL training camp. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at Laquon Treadwell. You know he has had a
Speaker 1: tough time adjusting to everything it takes from a mental
Speaker 1: standpoint at the NFL. Maybe we're just a now. I
Speaker 1: think Dane has got him right. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: Dane has him right. And where he's gonna go. I
Speaker 1: think he's got him in his ability to right. I
Speaker 1: just to me, I just want to I just hope
Speaker 1: he goes to a place where they can work with
Speaker 1: him as a out room where they can because he
Speaker 1: has the ability. I mean you can see for his
Speaker 1: height he moves well. Yeah, and the shuttles basketball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know this. This the film will show you that
Speaker 1: he can move well. He really really can't. I've got
Speaker 1: a great outside the box question from Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: the last one if we could, because we got a
Speaker 1: transfer over here. But we got to answer this because
Speaker 1: I like it a lot. But we just talked about
Speaker 1: safety kind of thin. Don't love your prospects after you
Speaker 1: know one or two guys go off the board. Would
Speaker 1: you consider drafting a top tier cornerback with the thought
Speaker 1: process of mooding moving Cheeto Woozier to safety? Is that
Speaker 1: that sounds I don't like the idea of moving you
Speaker 1: as you took Byron Jones from safety and made him
Speaker 1: corner this team, this team has not been great at that.
Speaker 1: That's been a little bit of a problement. Exception of
Speaker 1: maybe Keith and Rob forty eight games in with Byron
Speaker 1: Jones and now you're trying to play it. You think
Speaker 1: teams think about stuff like that, is like, well, sure, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. And where did the Woozier start?
Speaker 1: But he got hurt the first time he was in
Speaker 1: the Green Bay game playing safety. But the thing with
Speaker 1: the Woozier is we saw him in Colorado absolutely, we
Speaker 1: saw him absolutely hybrid linebacker absolutely. So that's the biggest
Speaker 1: difference between some of these corners. I'm looking down these
Speaker 1: the corner list, a guy like Isaiah Oliver, could he
Speaker 1: do that? Probably? Probably? So, yeah, we've never seen him
Speaker 1: do something like that. And it's a hard thing to
Speaker 1: take a guy top twenty overall and play them in
Speaker 1: a position you've never seen him. A little different. We're
Speaker 1: talking about moving Zach Martin to guard. That's much different
Speaker 1: than talking about moving a corner to safety. It's just
Speaker 1: it's a much different position and we've never seen him
Speaker 1: do it. All right, So what can I sell you
Speaker 1: on Mike Cues at nineteen. I love I love my cues.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm a big Mike Cues. I don't
Speaker 1: think Dane's as big a fan of Mike Cues as
Speaker 1: I am, though I haven't top twenty five in my book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love my cues. Any of these corners, if they're
Speaker 1: available at nineteen, would you move? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We think about doing that. I don't. I might do Hughes.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like to move, but
Speaker 1: I might do Hughes. I know I'm not gonna get ward.
Speaker 1: I know I'm not just and just get Hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: give me the best player and yeah out we're trade
Speaker 1: up from trade up, trade up. All right, Hey, that's
Speaker 1: all the time that we do have for the Draft show.
Speaker 1: We don't want to thank everybody out there. I want
Speaker 1: to thank all the the camera folks, all the people
Speaker 1: with We also got so Chris Beam working with us
Speaker 1: here outside. Were appreciating keeping today. Coming up next, our
Speaker 1: boots are made for talking. We got Robin and Jessica.
Speaker 1: They're going to join the stage here. We've already seen
Speaker 1: him taking some pictures. We're gonna be with you won't
Speaker 1: have a draft show for you Monday. Why is that, Brian,
Speaker 1: Because I'm out on assignment. Brian's going to the Masters, everybody,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go see a Mary Jealous. I'm going for
Speaker 1: practice round. So but we'll be back Thursday and we'll
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