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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Stay here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones, and welcome into Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: inside the SWBC Mortgage studio here at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips filled in for Bill Jones, who's got his
Speaker 1: TV duties on Thursday every week. Mickey Spagnola to my right.
Speaker 1: Bryan brought us across the table, and we've got Caden
Speaker 1: producing next door. We had an open chair. We shouldn't
Speaker 1: invite some in. We do have an open chair. Good
Speaker 1: questions for everybody today. If that helps, let's yes, I
Speaker 1: bet we'll have good answers. I bet you will. That's
Speaker 1: some Sam. I'm gonna answer these questions along with you too.
Speaker 1: Mickey's very gory. That was my next question. A little
Speaker 1: bar game with all three of us answering questions. Game
Speaker 1: Mickey won't play. If it's a bar game. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that here, ye a little bit. I'm here for
Speaker 1: about forty five minutes as usual, if you want to
Speaker 1: give us a call. Eight eight five five two two
Speaker 1: ninety seven. Cowboys back to practice. I assume they're working
Speaker 1: indoors again. I would imagine a volume put full blast,
Speaker 1: getting ready for that Superdome noise, that's right, and it
Speaker 1: will be noisy at night. Tony Pollard told us yesterday
Speaker 1: he'd never played in the Superdome. By the way, at Memphis,
Speaker 1: they played two lane every year. I guess has never
Speaker 1: played there, but his teammates told him it's gonna be
Speaker 1: like a playoff environment, so get ready for it. Absolutely
Speaker 1: and they're absolutely right. I would expect nothing less from
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Natives. Let's uh, let's get it started
Speaker 1: with some news of the day and an interesting a
Speaker 1: big name that popped up on the injury report yesterday.
Speaker 1: What's y'all's update on a Marii Cooper, anything, Mickey or
Speaker 1: anything new. I've got something, but I mean yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I mean, they he's been dealing with something on that
Speaker 1: right foot for a while, and it looked like that
Speaker 1: he wasn't doing much early in practice, so it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go get it checked out as a precautionary measure
Speaker 1: they did. It didn't show much of anything. So I
Speaker 1: think they just have to kind of get them through
Speaker 1: practice and get them through the week and be ready
Speaker 1: to play. I don't think they're nervous that you would
Speaker 1: be without a Marie Cooper and Michael Gallup. Yeah, Mickey's
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I just heard there was some soreness in
Speaker 1: the ankle. It's not the foot, and I heard it's
Speaker 1: opposite foot. It's not right foot. Yeah, it's not the
Speaker 1: one he was having problems. So there's this soreness in
Speaker 1: that ankle. And I know coach Garrett said foot and ankle.
Speaker 1: My guys were pretty specific about it's the ankle, right,
Speaker 1: So he came out of that and uh so again
Speaker 1: soreness dealing with that didn't appear to be anything structurally
Speaker 1: wrong or anything that he had before the tendons or
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. I'm not a doctor, but but it,
Speaker 1: like Mickey said, they're they're not at this point worried
Speaker 1: about it being something that that they're going to have
Speaker 1: to h to take a lot of time with the
Speaker 1: They're gonna be very cautious with him. He knows what
Speaker 1: he has to do. He knows what he has to
Speaker 1: do in this game. He's going to be vital to
Speaker 1: what they do in this football game. So that, you know,
Speaker 1: get him, get him ready, get him rested, get him
Speaker 1: ready to go. And I'm sure who'll go out there
Speaker 1: and play well for you. You know a lot of
Speaker 1: those guys. And I always remember Bill talking about this,
Speaker 1: those those football players that are thoroughbreds. Yeah, the guys
Speaker 1: that are like track stars. At anytime they get a
Speaker 1: little something, they get real finicky. But I was told
Speaker 1: that that's not this guy. He will practice and he
Speaker 1: will push through things. Yeah, but there was just some soreness.
Speaker 1: So it was like, okay, well, yeah, let's give him
Speaker 1: a break. You know, he didn't need to be out
Speaker 1: there doing the skeleton drills and running. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't need that, and he runs his All he
Speaker 1: had to do is look at his touchdown catch um,
Speaker 1: the first one on a little out, How he planted
Speaker 1: his feet and cut in and out without losing a step,
Speaker 1: no wasted motion. It was a thing of beauty. If
Speaker 1: somebody was doing a clinic, they ought to get that
Speaker 1: clip and say, okay, here's how you run the route.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think he'll be I think he'll be fine.
Speaker 1: MRI results were negative, which is positive news. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: the negative positive thingative, especially thinking there's no gallop. I mean, goodness, gracious,
Speaker 1: that's that's where I go, because you have these two
Speaker 1: guys outside receivers with speed that can get separation. Now,
Speaker 1: Rydall Cobb has played outside before I think in Green Bay,
Speaker 1: yes he has, but you're missing two major pieces of
Speaker 1: your offense. If Cooper wasn't able to go, doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like that's going to be the case, though. I think
Speaker 1: he'll be ready to go when we keep that thing
Speaker 1: up Sunday night. Anything else pop up from the injury
Speaker 1: report from yesterday that's surprised you. I think it kind
Speaker 1: of seems like status quo for some of the guys
Speaker 1: that have been out because yeah, but Woods practicing on
Speaker 1: a limited basis. So I think that's encouraging. And now
Speaker 1: you got to see how he reacted coming back again
Speaker 1: today and see what he's able to do. But I
Speaker 1: think there's a chance that's he's you know, he may
Speaker 1: be good to go. Yeah, I'll have to see how
Speaker 1: he reacts. Yeah, I think Mickey's absolutely right about that.
Speaker 1: I think they wanted to work him in and just
Speaker 1: talking to some folks in the organization. Thompson got the
Speaker 1: work with the ones yesterday, but they worked They worked
Speaker 1: Woods in with the two, so he did get actual
Speaker 1: team work. Yes, mindful it was they called it limited,
Speaker 1: but he got a good share of work yesterday going forward.
Speaker 1: So you know, if he comes back today, comes in
Speaker 1: tells every hey, I feel pretty good. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: I think they're really happy with what Woods did, mean
Speaker 1: what Thompson did, So that's you know, they're gonna give
Speaker 1: him an opportunity. And but today it might be a
Speaker 1: whole different story. They might say, okay, Xavier, you feel
Speaker 1: good enough, or maybe tomorrow might be the day where
Speaker 1: they say, okay, go out there with the ones and
Speaker 1: see what you can do. But they're very mindful of
Speaker 1: these these injuries they have and bringing these guys back.
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of credit to Britt Brown,
Speaker 1: Jim Mauer and those guys on the staff for what
Speaker 1: they've been able to do to get these guys healthy
Speaker 1: and back. In short, you know, we're here, you know,
Speaker 1: two to four weeks and you know him it's been now,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be maybe just two weeks. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: because that's not a fun injury. No, it's hard. It's
Speaker 1: hard to give the kid. Give the kid credit to
Speaker 1: for for for being showing toughness and wanting to be
Speaker 1: out there and play through it. And a look, Tavon
Speaker 1: was in practice on a limited basis, So if he's practicing,
Speaker 1: he's got to be out of the concussion pro is practicing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just again, that's another one of those questions
Speaker 1: you ask and you go, how much is Austin? Dude,
Speaker 1: he was out there, you know, so and even with
Speaker 1: with you know, maybe we'll see today if Noah, Maury
Speaker 1: Cooper today practice and maybe they get Tavon Austin more
Speaker 1: involved in practice, you know, like I say it, well
Speaker 1: we'll see. Well we you know, Mickey, we all asked
Speaker 1: the right questions and we'll get the right answers and
Speaker 1: we'll let everybody know. I mean, if he can just
Speaker 1: return punts, that would be fine. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson has done a nice job. Number one, he's
Speaker 1: caught the ball. Yes. Number two, he caught the ball
Speaker 1: in a bad situation. Not I mean it was a
Speaker 1: bad punt. The short punt and he went up and
Speaker 1: you very well right, and he went up and caught it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that was encouraging. And the other thing was is
Speaker 1: he gets up the field, if he gets five yards
Speaker 1: ten yards, ten yards, is that's a first down? U?
Speaker 1: And he had the one nice return and it got
Speaker 1: called back. Sure. Um. Sometimes I just think you ought
Speaker 1: to fair catch every punt and try to block it
Speaker 1: and don't don't try to block for the returner and
Speaker 1: get a holding call. How many times you think seven
Speaker 1: out of ten it seems like it, and the NFL
Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, it's it's you've grown too, you know.
Speaker 1: I always hate when they feel the ball inside their
Speaker 1: own twenty and then it's half the distance to the goal.
Speaker 1: Pen me all the time. I mean, just better off
Speaker 1: just letting it stroll out everybody going and try to
Speaker 1: block it and call a fair kickt except if when
Speaker 1: you try to block it you don't run into the hunter.
Speaker 1: By the way that happens. Holding calls our things. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady pointed out, they are a thing. You got periscope
Speaker 1: cooking today to do a periscope. Appreciate everybody out there.
Speaker 1: I do. I do like I say as we get
Speaker 1: going here. I do have some questions. I can I
Speaker 1: start with a question, then let's do it. Is that okay?
Speaker 1: And again I'm going to answer these questions too along
Speaker 1: with you. I don't think they're too difficult. But but
Speaker 1: guys more concerned? Are you more concerned? Crowd noise or
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater? Go ahead, Mick, and crowd noise. Although it's
Speaker 1: not supposed to matter, right, right, Well, sometimes it matters
Speaker 1: parking lot, moon, all that stuff. You're saying, you are
Speaker 1: worried about that, even with the veteran team, Mickey, You're
Speaker 1: worried a little bit about that situation. I just think
Speaker 1: it can get disruptive. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: Cowboys have done so well is speed up the pace
Speaker 1: of the game. Right, go no huddle? Right, Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: hard to go no huddle if you're if you got
Speaker 1: so much crowd noise you can't hear. Yeah. Now, the
Speaker 1: other thing is is if you're hurrying up, maybe the
Speaker 1: people in the stadium aren't hurrying up with you. Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: we don't have time to just kind of watch what's
Speaker 1: going on. And then oh they're going to the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Yeah, they got to finish a play and
Speaker 1: start chairing again. Yeah, so if you're moving the football,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that helps. But that I still think that's
Speaker 1: one of the best things that they You know, you
Speaker 1: can call all the plays you want in the right order,
Speaker 1: you can call you know, in rhythm and come up
Speaker 1: with nice formations. But the one different so I see
Speaker 1: is them controlling the pace, especially when they got something rolling,
Speaker 1: keep it rolling. I don't know how they'll that'll work
Speaker 1: with crowd noise. The key is to get a score
Speaker 1: early and take him out of the game. That's what
Speaker 1: they did, you know. I know it's a long time ago,
Speaker 1: but oh nine that huge when they had against an
Speaker 1: unbeaten Saints team, they scored the first couple of times
Speaker 1: down the field. That's that's Keys didn't have an answer
Speaker 1: for him. That now no answer for it. I know
Speaker 1: it's a totally different team. I'm gonna go Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: because I to Mickey's point, I feel, especially with Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick back, and this is no knock on Joe Looney.
Speaker 1: I just have so much confidence in this offensive line
Speaker 1: with their pre snap communication. I just don't think that's
Speaker 1: going to be an issue with this veteran offensive line.
Speaker 1: I know Bridgewater is not Drew Brees, but thank god,
Speaker 1: but I think he is a veteran quarterback and he's
Speaker 1: got a great head coach that's going to put a
Speaker 1: good game plan together for him. And he's got one
Speaker 1: full start under his belt this year. And I don't
Speaker 1: I know how they play offense, and I know Kamara
Speaker 1: is a huge factor in the screen game and all that,
Speaker 1: but at some point, especially if the Cowboys offense has success,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to go vertical and try to make
Speaker 1: some chunk plays up the field. I think he may
Speaker 1: be more of a factor than we think he may
Speaker 1: have to be for them. Question is can he make
Speaker 1: those plays against his Cowboys? Do you know me? I
Speaker 1: don't like to ride the fence, but I thought both
Speaker 1: you gave great answers on that. Me person, I'm with
Speaker 1: you on this, Rob. I think a veteran team handles
Speaker 1: the crowd noise. I do, but it is intense, and
Speaker 1: Mickey again made a very good point about that. The
Speaker 1: thing with Bridgewater, I think he's gonna have to play
Speaker 1: in this game. I think you know the great again,
Speaker 1: and nobody feels sorry for you in this league when
Speaker 1: you lose players. I mean the Cowboys. I talked about
Speaker 1: it last year when the Cowboy. This year, when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys played this game against the Saints, they had Fleming,
Speaker 1: Sua Filo and Joe Looney on that left side of
Speaker 1: that offensive line. You know, nobody was feeling you go play,
Speaker 1: That's what you go do. But I think Bridgewater is
Speaker 1: gonna have to play. I do have some concern if
Speaker 1: in fact, that they're able to to do some things
Speaker 1: scheme wise to help him that that that would be
Speaker 1: my concern. But I think because if they if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys didn't have a veteran offense or veteran team that
Speaker 1: way on offense, I think I think hand on the
Speaker 1: crowd and wise would be would be a little bit
Speaker 1: problematic for them. Okay, um, my next question is give
Speaker 1: me an under the radar player for the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: this game. Give me somebody we're really not talking about
Speaker 1: too much, but give me an under the radar player
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys that could play a big role in
Speaker 1: in their their outcome on Sunday night. M So, vander
Speaker 1: Ish is not under the radar. Under the here was
Speaker 1: a lot of his jerseys for sale. You got something else?
Speaker 1: You got one, I got one. Okay, go ahead, Christian
Speaker 1: Christian Covington was trying to buy some time to think.
Speaker 1: Give me Christian Covington because if if form holds here
Speaker 1: and there's no Antoine Woods again this week, he's going
Speaker 1: to get a lot of snaps inside. Uh. He played
Speaker 1: through some stuff during the game last week and I
Speaker 1: thought was pretty active, big body that can get up
Speaker 1: the field. And we just talked about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: this defensive line is depleted and they've got to find
Speaker 1: a way to get some pressure. And Brian's talked about
Speaker 1: it this This Saint's offensive line is big, they're strong,
Speaker 1: and they protect. So give me Cuvington's part of that
Speaker 1: D line rotation you got when they'll make you. Quinn's
Speaker 1: not under the radar, No, no, and Pollard's none under
Speaker 1: the radar and all right, really all right, So my
Speaker 1: pick would be and he needs to be over the
Speaker 1: radar if they're going to have success defensively, and needs
Speaker 1: to be Anthony Brown. There you go, because Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: why do you say in the first place, because you
Speaker 1: talked about how important Nichol was yesterday and you're not
Speaker 1: talking with you that guy is in the slot, and
Speaker 1: you know, if in depending on how they're gonna play
Speaker 1: their defenses, that slot guy is going to be really important,
Speaker 1: especially against the run, and we've seen him do a
Speaker 1: nice job at times against the run coming up and
Speaker 1: reading the play properly. And with a guy like Kamara
Speaker 1: in there, then I think that position unless they're gonna
Speaker 1: change it up and take out you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know that you want to take out another linebacker, um,
Speaker 1: but in in third and long they may do that.
Speaker 1: They may go dime and bring in Jordan Lewis. They
Speaker 1: play a bunch of dime last year in that game. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Jordan at you remember you looked
Speaker 1: it up. It was La plays, but it was a
Speaker 1: really good play, really good pays. That's my that's my pick, guys.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with somebody a little bit different here
Speaker 1: and and this might turn into I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can move the ball, but if it turns into where
Speaker 1: they can't move the ball, Chris Jones is going to
Speaker 1: have to have a big game for these guys because
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be about trying to get trying
Speaker 1: to flip fields, trying to pin the Saints trying to
Speaker 1: do these things. This Deontay Harris they have as a
Speaker 1: punt returner, This got a lot of ability, you know.
Speaker 1: And again that's the Seattle game the other day was
Speaker 1: a great example of how a touchdown that's not offensively
Speaker 1: scored can affect a football game. They had a couple
Speaker 1: of they had a punt return for a touchdown, they
Speaker 1: had a fumble return for a touchdown. So I think
Speaker 1: Chris Jones in this game, if it turns into them
Speaker 1: and then having to flip field, having to hang it up,
Speaker 1: having to keep Deontay Harris from making big returns in
Speaker 1: this game, I think that's a guy that's kind of
Speaker 1: under the radar. But I expect the Cowboys to be
Speaker 1: able to move the football in this game. I really
Speaker 1: really do. But if it, if it doesn't, if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out their way and they're in a tight,
Speaker 1: tough game where they're fighting for inches and all that,
Speaker 1: keep an eye on Chris Jones and with that guy
Speaker 1: back there. I don't know if distance is important as
Speaker 1: where you place the football, where you place the football,
Speaker 1: kick it out of bounds, to put it pin them
Speaker 1: on the side line, Just don't give him an open field.
Speaker 1: And conversely, what Brian's talking about, their guy did a
Speaker 1: heck of a job in Seattle, morstead of flipping the
Speaker 1: field and keeping them back. And you know, if you
Speaker 1: noticed which game was it was it the it was
Speaker 1: the Washington game. When they started off field, position was
Speaker 1: not in their favor, not at all. Like the first
Speaker 1: four or five possessions. They were no further than the
Speaker 1: twenty yard line, it seemed, and some of them back
Speaker 1: at the ten. All right, let's garb a quick phone
Speaker 1: call before we take our first break. Nebbie and Silver Spring, Maryland.
Speaker 1: You're up first on talking Cowboys today. Buddy. Hey, guys, listen,
Speaker 1: I haven't under the radar. I'll play player for us
Speaker 1: that that might have to come up big in this game.
Speaker 1: Considering how I think this game is going to go
Speaker 1: down to the down to the wire, I think I
Speaker 1: think Brett uh uh, Bret Brett Maher, who could be
Speaker 1: and under the radar uh uh player for us who
Speaker 1: might have to come up big in this game. And
Speaker 1: before I go, I just want to say that our
Speaker 1: critics say that that we haven't uh uh, I played anybody.
Speaker 1: So I say let's go to New Orleans find a
Speaker 1: way to win and proved to our critics that we
Speaker 1: are for real and that we are indeed one of
Speaker 1: the best teams in football. Take care, thanks for being
Speaker 1: patient with me, and have a great week. Thanks Nay, buddy,
Speaker 1: you know what your message that was my second choice.
Speaker 1: Mar Yeah, can't have any any easy miss field goal?
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, okay, fifty five yards and you hit
Speaker 1: the upsard. I can live with it. Sure, I don't
Speaker 1: want to hit the upright from thirty five yards forty
Speaker 1: yards yep, fair enough. All right, let's take our first break.
Speaker 1: We come back. We've got one callar holding, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to more of Brian's questions when we come back.
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Speaker 1: How about Philadelphy could be down to a half in
Speaker 1: the standings, must win game Mick for Philly, Frilly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: start off one and three. I know you hate must win.
Speaker 1: I love must win. Yeah, this is why this is exactly.
Speaker 1: It's in Green Bay too. It is in Green Bay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is have added Eagles desperate team theory, maybe, Brian, Well,
Speaker 1: they look like they're gonna get elshaw On Jeffrey back.
Speaker 1: They are, so that should help. They are for that.
Speaker 1: And maybe we'll find a little bit more about the Packers.
Speaker 1: And you know, we keep hearing about this improved defense.
Speaker 1: All yeah, let's see it. Quarterback has been a little
Speaker 1: off the Packers, ye, for like two hundred and five,
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighteen how many? Its last three games
Speaker 1: have been kind of kind of crazy. He's been about
Speaker 1: the defense, about the defense there. Hey, Tye checks in
Speaker 1: on Twitter says, under the radar player for Cowboys Saints
Speaker 1: is Connor Williams It left guard. Yeah, I get that
Speaker 1: on the periscope as well, and some people, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that to me. Yeah, Connor Williams is have you? It
Speaker 1: was rankings on the report yesterday. Sorry, I didn't look
Speaker 1: at the Saint he was limited Achilles. Yeah, that's he's
Speaker 1: been dealing with that goy. She didn't need to play.
Speaker 1: I know that. The only he's a load. He is
Speaker 1: a load. Yeah, he's assuming will Clap as their backup center.
Speaker 1: He's a center guard, yes, okay. And then the only
Speaker 1: other guy other than breeze that didn't practice was Taekwon
Speaker 1: Smith and he's like their third wide receiver. Yeah, clap,
Speaker 1: will clap. I play with his dad at LSU, Tommy clap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although Larry Wofford was limited also, he'll play offensive linement
Speaker 1: or limited or they'll play. Don't worry about it, all right.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get more to more of your questions, Brian.
Speaker 1: We got one phone call, still holding Gordon in Rhode Island, Europe.
Speaker 1: Next on to Cowboys. What's going on? Guys? Hey, we're here.
Speaker 1: This will be an easy, easy winning for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're given out defense enough credit. Okay,
Speaker 1: three and out is a stop, A punt is a stop.
Speaker 1: Sometimes a field goal considered the stop. You got it
Speaker 1: on the field and it can only get twenty points,
Speaker 1: that's a stop. And the idea that has been doing that.
Speaker 1: I would love to get more in exceptions and more sex.
Speaker 1: But I think we got a little spoiled last year
Speaker 1: and the Saints couldn't be this last year offensive. Put
Speaker 1: there right now, all right and without you breathe, I
Speaker 1: don't see that you got it all right? Thanks for
Speaker 1: the call, Hey, Will McClay when he was playing and
Speaker 1: coaching state. Big opinion back in the arena ball that
Speaker 1: was a stop, a field goal stop. That was a
Speaker 1: great stop. Yeah, keep mat the zone. Um, I thought
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence made a good point. Um, it can't. It's
Speaker 1: great by the way, I always I mentioned it yesterday
Speaker 1: that there they're opponent's third down completion is like twenty
Speaker 1: some percent or second in the league, and and stops
Speaker 1: third down. Yeah, And so he was talking about it,
Speaker 1: and he goes, you know, well, it's effort, how hard
Speaker 1: we play, he goes, But also he goes, what helps
Speaker 1: is if the offense is scoring points like that, there
Speaker 1: you go, it turns the other team. They got to
Speaker 1: catch up, they get they one dimensional. We know what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. If it's third and whatever, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: they're throwing the ball. So his point was maybe the
Speaker 1: most important downs were first and second and then third downs.
Speaker 1: Easy if you play well on first and second and
Speaker 1: they're they're basically on third down. Offensively, they're on a
Speaker 1: historic rate right now of conversions. And then defensively too,
Speaker 1: because you don't normally stop people twenty percent of the time,
Speaker 1: and you do not convert fifty eight percent of your
Speaker 1: of your third downs on offense. Here's my segue to
Speaker 1: a question for you. Both give me the Cowboys game
Speaker 1: plan offensively in this one, Rob Phillips, give me the
Speaker 1: Saints game pla and then I'll tell you. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a tough one because there's they can do pretty
Speaker 1: much anything they want to do. I'd i'd say, run
Speaker 1: it right at him. I'd say, you, Zeke, try to
Speaker 1: pound this thing down and uh and and try to
Speaker 1: be multiple. Basically, I mean, take out take what they
Speaker 1: give for you. Basically, I mean that I don't know
Speaker 1: if they need to attack one different way. This defense,
Speaker 1: this offense is so good at at seeing, identifying right
Speaker 1: now what teams you're trying to do to them, and
Speaker 1: then just attack. Yeah. Well, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: have an answer. I know that's a cop out. No,
Speaker 1: it's not, And I ain't copping out Russell Wilson through
Speaker 1: for four hundred and six yards. SI's gonna throw it.
Speaker 1: Let's go after him. Yeah, let's not mess around. Mickey's
Speaker 1: gonna throw that ball. Am I wrong? I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: though they had five hundred and fifteen yards of offering,
Speaker 1: No I'm with you. I'm with you on this is
Speaker 1: the Cowboys best way to play football pass protection or
Speaker 1: run blocking. Well, I think it's been pass protection so far.
Speaker 1: Last year it was run blocking. Now it might be
Speaker 1: pass protection. This is where this is. I like what
Speaker 1: Mickey saying. I like it for this reason. I'm making
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater have to play catch up football. What I
Speaker 1: saw with the Rams in that game and him having
Speaker 1: to catch up. You know, if Teddy Bridgewater was playing
Speaker 1: that game in Houston, the game they played the first
Speaker 1: game of the season, I don't think he catches up
Speaker 1: in the game the way Houston was playing. So to me,
Speaker 1: I'm putting pressure on Teddy Bridgewater to have to score
Speaker 1: along with me. That's what I'm doing if I could
Speaker 1: find a way. Yeah. I came into thinking, oh, run
Speaker 1: the ball, take possessions away from the Saints, be physical,
Speaker 1: wear them down, you know, use your will, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I think it's all really, really good. And then I
Speaker 1: think that you have to To me, I'm thinking Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater can't catch up. He's not gonna make rob you
Speaker 1: said it earlier exactly, that he's gonna have to make
Speaker 1: throws down the field. He is averaging. You talk about
Speaker 1: passes Throne and it's like he's like one of the
Speaker 1: worst in the league when it comes to I guess
Speaker 1: my point I was rambling. There was was Dak was
Speaker 1: talking about last week. He got greedy with they had
Speaker 1: so much success and they're right at the top of
Speaker 1: the league in chunk plays, especially past plays, right, you
Speaker 1: don't have to force it, though you do have an
Speaker 1: all pro back that can wear them down there that
Speaker 1: the two. Yeah, so maybe that, I mean, but they
Speaker 1: can do that. They've shown they can do really whatever
Speaker 1: needs to be done in the past game. But I'm
Speaker 1: with you because I made that point earlier. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: hitting the Saints want to shootout against this team. See,
Speaker 1: I don't think the say I Drew Brees is in
Speaker 1: the game. They yeah, they can win a shootout. They
Speaker 1: can might change my answer, Yeah, but with Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: in this game, I'm with Mickey. I'm putting as much
Speaker 1: pressure on on on Teddy Bridgewater to have to make
Speaker 1: to score. I'm I'm making him now. It might cost
Speaker 1: me an interception, but god, I hope it doesn't cost
Speaker 1: me the game. But if this game is close and
Speaker 1: they're you know, in the Saints are having some success run.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I think that that that it's it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. It could be a bad game for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But if the Cowboys can get in that
Speaker 1: role what Mickey says, we're they're throwing for you know,
Speaker 1: three four hundred yards and then you know, supplementing the
Speaker 1: run in there, but they're finishing drives. Then I think
Speaker 1: that's how they I think that's how they win this
Speaker 1: football game. You know, a couple of things, and I
Speaker 1: think I uh I pointed it out yesterday. I don't remember,
Speaker 1: but against Seattle, they had two hundred and sixty five
Speaker 1: yards of offense. That's the fewest yards the Saints have
Speaker 1: gained in any of the one hundred and twenty eight
Speaker 1: wins that Sean Payton's had. Yeah, that's fair. Buttill play
Speaker 1: up there, and they understand style of defenses. They don't
Speaker 1: give you much, especially well, they sure gave Seattle a
Speaker 1: lot and and Laddermore was getting his butt beat. And
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be the best guy. Now here. Here's
Speaker 1: another I wouldn't test that animals here, here's here's the deal.
Speaker 1: On their own offensively, they scored twenty points. Sure, okay.
Speaker 1: One of those touchdowns was after a fourth down stop
Speaker 1: and they got the ball at the Seattle twenty nine
Speaker 1: yard line. That's all fair, You're right, okay, So to me,
Speaker 1: they basically scored two offensive touchdowns. That's right. That's last week, though,
Speaker 1: But I don't care it is week to week. They're
Speaker 1: at home. I just succe doesn't make Teddy Bridgewater better.
Speaker 1: Playing more and more and more and being in this
Speaker 1: offense as a starter could help him. I mean, you really,
Speaker 1: is it fair to say a guy's going to be
Speaker 1: the exact same every single week? I mean, I was
Speaker 1: he going to improve tenfold? I just think it's a
Speaker 1: little dangerous to say he is what he is. They
Speaker 1: can't do anything. That's okay, we'll see how about this
Speaker 1: and and and the other thing about Greedy. So when
Speaker 1: you went back and looking at that play, he did
Speaker 1: the right thing. He didn't do it right because he
Speaker 1: didn't set his feet when he threw that pass that
Speaker 1: got intercepted. He threw off of one foot. If he
Speaker 1: had set his feet and thrown the ball, he had
Speaker 1: two ride receivers behind those, he had too many options.
Speaker 1: He was looking at both looking both receivers and both
Speaker 1: of them were open if he had thrown the ball first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, how many more you got I've got three?
Speaker 1: You got three more? No, if you've got stuff going on,
Speaker 1: go for it. Let's take a quick phone call. Then
Speaker 1: we'll break and we'll get to your last questions when
Speaker 1: we come out of the break. Okay, who we got next? Kaden?
Speaker 1: Derek in Ohio? Derek, Derek, you're there, Ohio? There? Alright?
Speaker 1: Oh hey, sorry about that. Yeah, oh h yeah. We
Speaker 1: got a good team down here, ready for the io.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, go ahead, I got it. I love
Speaker 1: the show. I listened every day and I got people,
Speaker 1: uh two quick questions and then a prediction. If that's okay,
Speaker 1: go for it. Um number one, this is not to
Speaker 1: derail this, but um, I was really surprised when they
Speaker 1: moved boh Collins from less guard and put him out
Speaker 1: the right tackle. I did not think that was gonna work. Um.
Speaker 1: Are you surprised to see how well he is flourishing
Speaker 1: out there? And also remember when the Eagles and them
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. They I
Speaker 1: believe that was when they made the trade trade for
Speaker 1: Jagie not that he was a big impact player. I
Speaker 1: don't even think he's there anymore. But do you see
Speaker 1: this team kind of making a big move again. I
Speaker 1: know they did last year with the Maori and kind
Speaker 1: of sending a message to say, hey, we're pushing all
Speaker 1: the chips in and we're going for it all and
Speaker 1: then for the game. I'm tired of hearing about the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I think this is a changing of the guard. I'm
Speaker 1: seeing what I've seen in the mid nineties, like when
Speaker 1: the Green Bass started to take over with Brett Farve.
Speaker 1: I think Dallas goes in there, they throw the ball
Speaker 1: and I think it's like thirty five to ten. I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of wipe them out. You hang on, Gordon,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I ask you a question about the thing
Speaker 1: about the trade and everything. Yeah, so what position could
Speaker 1: they improve to the point that it would match what
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper did for the Cowboys last year? Yeah? And Mickey,
Speaker 1: I was ready for you because I knew you were
Speaker 1: going to ask me that I've been thinking about this. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's um Honestly, it doesn't have to be a first
Speaker 1: round pick. But you know, I like Balton Scholtz, but
Speaker 1: maybe you can upgrade for another guy who can get
Speaker 1: down the field like Blake Jarwin that or I always
Speaker 1: welcome more pass rushers, right, Okay, we don't know if
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna get hurt, So maybe some take a fourth
Speaker 1: or a fifth or a third or something to go
Speaker 1: get another players who's gonna who's gonna give you a
Speaker 1: shot in the arm again and can help this team
Speaker 1: in January. All right, all right, all right, fair enough,
Speaker 1: good enough, man, appreciate the call. I just think that
Speaker 1: the need to make that trade last year was so
Speaker 1: great that that's why they did it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they look at that wide receiver corps was before you
Speaker 1: got here. Oh no, you're right, And I just don't
Speaker 1: see another position like that right now that it's just
Speaker 1: if we don't do. I mean to answer your question,
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn there now, now, how goods Lyle playing? Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's when hands and feet work. He's got a big
Speaker 1: test this week though I wrote about this in the
Speaker 1: matchups today. You know with Cam Jordan, he played Cam Jordan.
Speaker 1: You go back and watch the game. Cam Jordan got
Speaker 1: him one time, but again we got a great sixty
Speaker 1: five place. You know, you're gonna have certain breakdowns at
Speaker 1: certain times. You're not gonna win every battle. But the
Speaker 1: thing that he can frustrate Cam Jordan because he plays
Speaker 1: he played with so much patience, and I think that's
Speaker 1: where we're seeing a different Lyle Collins Now that before
Speaker 1: he was so anxious to try and hit somebody and
Speaker 1: be physical and all. But now you see the feet,
Speaker 1: the hands, and then he's allowing the guy to get
Speaker 1: to him, bum hands work together, stops the guy, keeps
Speaker 1: him wide, you know, all those things where he's not
Speaker 1: getting over extended, off balance, things like that that he's
Speaker 1: had problems with before. When he plays with patience, he
Speaker 1: is a really really good tackle tackle and he can
Speaker 1: also like to say, he plays with so much power.
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan has to know that Cam orange faced, and
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan has felt that punch. Cam Jordan has felt
Speaker 1: that head in his chest and dry blocking on the edge.
Speaker 1: You know. So it will be a really good matchup
Speaker 1: for them. You know. He talked about that Monday Night
Speaker 1: with Brad Yeah on the Cowboys Hour, talking about how
Speaker 1: he's learned patience. Yeah, because before he was it was
Speaker 1: almost like he was trying to attack and he would
Speaker 1: he would get ben over and then the guy go
Speaker 1: right around him because he didn't have his balance. He's
Speaker 1: got a val he's doing a better job of catching well.
Speaker 1: It's different. Way to explain to me when he first
Speaker 1: switched was it's that when you're a guard, everything happens
Speaker 1: a little faster inside. Right, they're right on you. You
Speaker 1: gotta have a little more patience handle guys on the edge.
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Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola. Cowboys need to do this. Cowboys need this
Speaker 1: to happen for a victory. Need this to happen for
Speaker 1: a victory. Talked about this in the break. You weren't
Speaker 1: thinking about now I was looking for Look, were gonna
Speaker 1: get me on eucalyptus. See that they have to do this.
Speaker 1: Cowboys need this to happen for a victory. We only
Speaker 1: got a couple of minutes left. I'll go yeah, keep thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: tackle tackle tackle. They drew a tough It was a
Speaker 1: tough draw Week one. Sae Quon Barkley run defense has
Speaker 1: been much better last two games. You got to count
Speaker 1: for m Kamara on every single play, and he is
Speaker 1: so good after contact, after the catch on those screens,
Speaker 1: be sound on your fits cape cape Kamara to less
Speaker 1: than one hundred total yards there. If you can do that,
Speaker 1: you'll win. You know. The other thing, I noticed that
Speaker 1: he scored two touchdowns in the game against Seattle, one
Speaker 1: running one on that screen, Pack screams of beauty. Guess
Speaker 1: what those are only two touchdowns in the season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if you limit him, you limit the Saints. And
Speaker 1: if you limit the Saints, I think the Cowboys can
Speaker 1: outscore got one brand gotta win on the outside. I
Speaker 1: think that it's gonna come down. Mickey is right. They're
Speaker 1: gonna have to throw the ball. I think they can
Speaker 1: run the ball, but I think the best way to
Speaker 1: put pressure on Teddy Bridgewaters to throw and score. That
Speaker 1: means the guys on the outside of Mary Cooper had
Speaker 1: a nice game. No Michael Gallup in this game. Set
Speaker 1: means Cobb, Smith, Wilson, whoever gets opportunities, find a way
Speaker 1: to win against these corners, especially Eli Apple. All right,
Speaker 1: Bill from LA quickly, you got the final word today
Speaker 1: on the show. Oh great, thank you. I think what
Speaker 1: you gotta do to win is on first down, we
Speaker 1: can't run the ball. I think the Saints like to
Speaker 1: stop you stop the runner first down, gets you in
Speaker 1: second along the playoff and rally to the football underneath. Okay,
Speaker 1: And if we can Deacon Dunc on first down in
Speaker 1: the first half at your five or six yards that
Speaker 1: way and keep them off balanced for what they're thinking
Speaker 1: in second half and you can go back to the run.
Speaker 1: I just think they're good when they can dictate your
Speaker 1: second down. No arguments there. Yeah, it's good. Announce. And
Speaker 1: here's another thing they have to do. They better be
Speaker 1: aware they're playing the riverboat gambler. Yeah, Sean Payton will
Speaker 1: do just about anything the Super Bowl one year, right,
Speaker 1: and he still does get changed ten year, ten seasons later.
Speaker 1: So just be prepared for everything on side, kicks, fakes
Speaker 1: and arounds, you name it, he'll try it, and he'll hecky,
Speaker 1: he's got no problem starting a game off with a
Speaker 1: non site now, he really does. So you better be
Speaker 1: aware of all the situations possible. Mickey's absolutely right. The
Speaker 1: fact this is a National Sunday night game. Sean Payton
Speaker 1: lives for this. He lives for the Hey, look how
Speaker 1: smart I am quarterback or coach approach. Yeah. I love Sean.
Speaker 1: He and I are friends, but he does love the
Speaker 1: big national stage where he can show everybody how smart
Speaker 1: he is as a coach. Fair enough. I got a
Speaker 1: group picture with Sean Payton had a charity thing and
Speaker 1: in the picture with Sean was Tony Romo. Before Tony
Speaker 1: Romo was Tony Romo. Yeah, John was good evaluating him. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great picture too. John was a good evaluators
Speaker 1: with m in Philly, great evaluator of quarterbacks. There all right,
Speaker 1: a lot of good calls, a lot of good engagement
Speaker 1: with you guys on social media. Shate that appreciate the time.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Brian Mickey Cayden. We'll catch you a Friday
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