1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Our colleague Noel is not here today, but will be 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: rejoining us very soon. 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: you are here, and that makes this the stuff they 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. And we've got a heck 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: of a lot of strange news for you here this evening, folks. 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: One of the things that you might know, Pete, behind 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: the scenes is that all of us when we record 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: these shows, we often hang out a little bit beforehand 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: and we talk about different things. We get kind of 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: a what would you call it, Matt, A vibe check? 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: Do we do a vibe check? Would you say that? 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? We vibe check ourselves and each other, and then 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: we hit record. It's great. 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: Well, usually Doc Holliday hits record and waits for us 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: to finish. Yeah crap, yeah, I think when she gets 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: done with us, and and Paul Michigan Control as well. 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: When they get done with us, they'll say, are you 25 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: guys going to record it ready? 26 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: Yes? 27 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the diplomatic way of saying it. And so 28 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: we are coming to you from across the globe. Literally, 29 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: we are all three recording in different locations around the world, and. 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: We yeah, I'm just at home. Okay, that's in the world. 31 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: That's in the world, all right, all right, So Matt, 32 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: maybe we start off with this update on a previous 33 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: strange news piece we explored. The FDA has confirmed an 34 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: earlier story that we talked about that you brought up 35 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: not too long ago. It's about eye drops. 36 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there were some dangerous eye drops out there 37 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 2: that were they were causing some serious damaged people's eyes, 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: including several people that lost the ability to see. And 39 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: I think was there death even involved in one or 40 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: two of those cases. 41 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: There were they were core mobid factors or comorbid factors. 42 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: Got it, Okay, Yeah, So it was the primary concern 43 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: for the eye drops back then in January of this 44 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: year when this initial like warning about certain eye came out, 45 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: was that there could develop within the bottles itself a 46 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 2: bacterial infection because some of these products. They didn't have 47 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: stuff in there that would prevent that bacterial infection. Like 48 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: let's say you take the top off and you accidentally 49 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: rub it against your skin or against something else in 50 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 2: the environment. Just the tip right, it goes or whatever. Yeah, sure, 51 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: or well, you're often using eye drops in a bathroom. 52 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: That's one of the main places where they're kept. And 53 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: people need to surt they dumping those things. 54 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: You gotta put the lid down before you flush. 55 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: That's it. But you know people also use the restroom 56 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: or do other things and then don't wash their hands immediately, 57 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: and you can stuff gets on things, and in this case, 58 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: if you have this preservative free type of eye drops product, 59 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: then it could potentially get a bacterial infection inside the thing. 60 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: Then you put those drops in your eye, the bacteria 61 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: is now inside your eyeball, and that's when it gets 62 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: really bad. Been the FDA has now enhanced what they've 63 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: been saying in their warnings about this. 64 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: Yes, the FDA has confirmed stuff the CDC was saying 65 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: not too long ago. The FDA, as you said, updated 66 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: their list of over the counter eye drops that you 67 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: should not purchase or use. And this comes on the 68 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: heels of an earlier warning right before Halloween when everything 69 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: gets a little spoopy, as they say, warning consumers not 70 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: to purchase more than twenty six over the counter eye 71 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: drop products due to exactly what you're describing, the potential 72 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: This is a quote from FDA dot gov, which you 73 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: can read freely available online. As long as our tax 74 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: dollars work for something other than war whatever, I walked 75 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: down the street for that one, I'm not mad at it. 76 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: The potential risk quote of eye infections that could result 77 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: in partial vision loss or blindness end quote. How ironic, 78 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: right that eye drops could lead to blindness. Yeah, they 79 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: name a lot of things, but you know what, going 80 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: back to something you pointed out just last week, they 81 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: name a couple of you know, local pharmacies, the slash 82 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: convenience stores that are no longer going to be around 83 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: in your neighborhood. 84 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: Folks, No, they're not the reason why this is so dangerous, 85 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: y'all is because your body has all kinds of defenses 86 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: on it, right, Like God's weird to think about your 87 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: nose hairs. Those are like soldiers. They are protecting you 88 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: at all times when you're breathing through your nose, isn't it. 89 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: I know that strange? Is that too? Strange? 90 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: Men? Your eyelashes too, your Yeah, the hairs in your ears, 91 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: you know. 92 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: Well, like in your skin itself and even your stomach. 93 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: And you're like, you've got pretty awesome natural defenses against 94 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: most things. Your eyes, though, those things are dang vulnerable. 95 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: And when you're putting something directly into your eye, it's 96 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: it's like sneaking past your body's defenses. If there's anything 97 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: bad in it, why it's so dangerous. Oh, and this 98 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: was the other thing. The FDA found that there were 99 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: non sterile practices happening at the manufacturers that were making 100 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: these eye drops. By the way, that's like one of 101 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: the primary reasons it wasn't a user error thing. Where 102 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 2: previously in January, it was thought that an individual who 103 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: purchased one of these eye drops would then you know, 104 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: contaminate the bottle in some way then use the eye 105 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: drops on themselves. The FDA is saying no, after we 106 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: looked at some of these manufacturing facilities, they are not sterile, 107 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: and they're doing dangerous stuff with the stuff that's going 108 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 2: in your eyes. 109 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: In your rise. So the FDA has has officially joined 110 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: with the CDC in warning people about these things. Now, obviously, folks, 111 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 1: we are not saying that all eye drops are bad. 112 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: If you are listening to this show right now and 113 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: you are, for one reason or another, attempting to get 114 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: something like vising to take the REDTNUS out of your 115 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: eyes again, why would you need that one reason or another, 116 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: perhaps your hay fever or what have you. Then what 117 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: you need to know is that the things that are 118 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: listed in these warnings are not all eye drops of course, 119 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: hashtag not all eye drops or whatever, but you should 120 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: be careful of things that are loosely marketed under the 121 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: following brands. This is not US Taken Shots, this is 122 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: the f this is the FDA, CVS Health leader, Rugby 123 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: Right Aid Target up and Up, which I didn't know 124 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: is a thing, and Velocity Pharma Target up and Up. 125 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: Though I've never tried it, I'm sad about it because 126 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: it sounds like something that would be classic me. Dude, 127 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: eye drops that also have some sort of caffeine in them, 128 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? 129 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: Oh? Interesting? I thought they were just keeping it positive 130 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: like twice you know. 131 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what's better than up once? 132 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: Up twice? Yeah? And there's a full list you can 133 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: find at FDA dot gov. You can search this out. 134 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: There are a lot of different ones, so some of 135 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: the eye drops are most of them look to be 136 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: just lubricating eye drops like rewetting drops for contacts and that. 137 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: Irritation dry eye relief. 138 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: So yeah, but they've got all they've got all that stuff, 139 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: so just be aware. It's not, you know, just one type. 140 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: As Ben said, there's a lot, So do look at 141 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: that list before you use any eye drops please. 142 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: And we're fully aware that it sounds kind of weird 143 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: for us to say, hey, make sure you look carefully 144 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: at the eye drop ingredients while your eyes are irritated. Yeah, 145 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: but it's worth it, and I think that's why we 146 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: keep going, keep going back with us. You know, the 147 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: bacteria there is, it is real. And it goes back 148 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: to an earlier episode we did on the Rise of 149 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: the Superbug, which is an unfortunate statistical truth. It's Matt. 150 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: It's the kind of thing people are going to look 151 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: back on and they're going to say that we quote 152 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: unquote predicted it. 153 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: We did not. 154 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: The statistics are there. Antibiotics are widely misused such that 155 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: they are creating antibiotic resistant bacteria, and our specific anti 156 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: pagonist in this case is something called pseudomonas. Give me 157 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: like a good dramatic sound cue on that one. 158 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: We gotta say it again, you gotta say it again. No, 159 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: give me a real subductive vibe there. 160 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: Like a sort. 161 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: No, it's not funny. People are goingly, Oh. 162 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm so proud of it. I'm sorry. Guys. 163 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm out of it too. And we can 164 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: only hope we can because guys, our producer Alexis does 165 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: not talk to us while we're recorded, will occasionally get 166 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: an l M A O in the chat or. 167 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: Sheila, Jit just looks out at the ocean, and then 168 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: just like pretends we're not here. 169 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, So please do take that under advisement. 170 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: Oh we gotta we got a note in the chat 171 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: bet uh. Oh, we got an l A hey, we 172 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: did it. Thank you, Thank you doc, thank you code 173 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: name doc. Holiday. 174 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: Uh. 175 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: With that, I propose that we move for uh what 176 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: do you think a little bit of an AD break? Maybe? 177 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's sell some of these eye drops. 178 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: What a perfect time for an illumination Global unlimited AD. 179 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: I know, are you tired? 180 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: Of seeing clearly. 181 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 2: All the news. It's being it's about being overwhelmed by 182 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: all the news. Our eye drops will take it away 183 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: from you. 184 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: Look at the state of the world. 185 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: Have you seen enough? That's it. 186 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: Keep the whole thing. Let's just keep it. Now. 187 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 3: It's the ad break, and we're back and we are 188 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 3: jumping to more terribly exciting, positive, somewhat news from the. 189 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 2: Real estate world. Real estate. Oh, it's so magnificent out 190 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: here in real estate land. Everybody just selling houses, raising 191 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: interesting yeah, dude, racking up brokerage fees. Uh, it's crazy 192 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: good out here selling these houses. Yeah, we don't sell houses. 193 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: There's a terribly just crazy fascinating thing going on right now. 194 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: By the way, I wasn't even gonna mention this, man, 195 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the news too. The Biden administration 196 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: is putting together a dozens and dozen I think it's 197 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: like forty billion dollars in a fund to incentivize companies 198 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 2: to change large businesses commercial real estate into housing development units. 199 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: It was a huge fund that the Biden administration just 200 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: put out forty billion dollars. And we just talked about 201 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: this like pretty recently that that's the next thing that 202 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: was going to happen, and it's happening. 203 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, because, as we all know, commercial real estate and 204 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: the various then diagrams of financial commitment to it are 205 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: the primary reason that corporate overlords are forcing people back 206 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: into office spaces, right. 207 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just crazy that it's happening. It makes sense 208 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: all of these huge buildings in whatever city you're in 209 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: are going to be filled with human beings, probably paying 210 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: way too much rent for whatever tiny apartment they're living in. 211 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: It'd be cool if they also had some green space 212 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: on the rooftops, but as Twitter says, we're not ready 213 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: for that conversation. 214 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: Dude, I've got a proposal for all of us here, 215 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: and maybe we can start some kind of crowdfunding thing 216 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: to buy one of the biggest buildings I don't care 217 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: which city it's in turn the entire thing into one 218 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 2: of those vertical farms that was talked about so much 219 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: in the early two thousands, and how it could be 220 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: incredible to you know, literally do the hydroponic farming thing 221 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: from the from the very top to the very bottom, 222 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: running the water through it and reusing it. Yeah, yeah, dude, 223 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: I think we can. We can do this. 224 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: Also, I will back you up on that. And what 225 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: if we what if we not only get a vertical one, 226 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: but we go horizontal, uh, and we get we get 227 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: some neighborhoods and we I don't know, We're just both 228 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: We're all trying to save the world, folks. And thankfully 229 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: this story is a little bit of good news because yes, 230 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: because it appears that Okay, let's set the axiom here. 231 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: Let me let me alley oop you on this. Let 232 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: me set you up for this one. Matt, we can 233 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: all agree, no matter what your thing is ideologically, however 234 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, however you find yourself in the world, we 235 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: can all agree that there was some free going on 236 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: for quite a while in US real estate, in Western 237 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: real estate, in real estate in general, going back to 238 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: the idea of ancient civilization. Who owns land? Who should? 239 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, you know well, and for anyone looking from 240 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: the outside in at the housing market in the United States, 241 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: the one thing there are a couple things you notice. 242 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: One is like, what is the interest rate? Well, how 243 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: much does it cost to borrow the giant amount of 244 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: money it takes to purchase a home? Like and how 245 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: much money do you have to pay the bank for 246 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: borrowing that money right, And the second thing is just 247 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: what is the general price of that housing unit when 248 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: you buy it, Because those two things have been just 249 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: going up and up and up and up and up. 250 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: Mostly the housing price has been going crazy up. The 251 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: interest rate went way down right when the crisis almost 252 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: to zero, then it's now shooting way. 253 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: Back up two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight 254 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: in the United States exactly. 255 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: The thing people don't know until you've tried to buy 256 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: a house or sell a house in the United States, 257 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: you don't know about a thing called closing costs. And 258 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: that is a weird little thing that kind of just 259 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: gets talked around when you're in the process of selling 260 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: or buying your house, and then right around the time 261 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: when you're about to finish the whole process, it's like, oh, 262 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: you know, they're saying that they're going to take on 263 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: all the closing costs, or oh, they're requesting that you 264 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: pay an extra five thousand and closing costs, and you're like, 265 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: what how you don't have to worry about it. It 266 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: just gets worked into all the other stuff, like okay, 267 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: all right, oh, you know what I mean. Like the 268 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: way it's talked about for for at least this Look, 269 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: this is my experience everybody, but it kind of just 270 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: gets talked around this closing cost thing and what does 271 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: that mean? What the heck are those prices those extra things. 272 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: That is money that goes specifically to a broker, which 273 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: is a person that helped a seller sell their home. 274 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: So that is the realtor that is working on the 275 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 2: behalf of the buyer. Does that make sense, Yes, the 276 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: realtor on working on behalf of the buyer gets a fee. 277 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: Sounds a little like a grift, like potential for a grift. 278 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: Well, it makes sense. That person is doing a job, right, 279 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 2: That person is, you know, letting their client into the house, 280 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: talking up the house, convincing them that this is the 281 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 2: one they need to buy, and in a way, they 282 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: are helping you sell your house as a seller. But 283 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean they should get six percent of the 284 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 2: home sale price. 285 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: Wait, so, Matt, you're saying, for instance, if a home 286 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: is worth just for say of argument, if a home 287 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: is worth sixty thousand dollars, six percent of that right, right? 288 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, for. 289 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: The sake of realistic argument, if a home is worth 290 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: six hundred thousand dollars. That's a lot of money. 291 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 2: Still, if a home is worth four hundred thousand dollars, 292 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: which is close to the median home press right now, 293 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: six percent is twenty four thousand bucks US dollars. 294 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: Yes, do they take ben bucks? No, So get them out. 295 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: So to even talk about this, we just have to 296 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: make everybody were six percent of four hundred thousand dollars 297 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: is twenty four thousand dollars. Okay, that's really important, which is. 298 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: A yearly income for many people. 299 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 2: Yes, oh, yes it is. Okay, So here's our story. 300 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: US jury finds realtors liable for inflating commissions and awards 301 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 2: one point seven to eight billion with a B damn images. 302 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: First of all, somebody is found liable for doing something 303 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: wrong and they have to pay in the billions. I 304 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: think that might be the second time this year we've 305 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: heard that. 306 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: My goodness, second time we got in the news. So 307 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: this is, as you said, met, this is the National 308 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: Association of Realtors, the NRA, the other NRA. 309 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: No, it's the it's the yeah, National Realtors Association, or 310 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 2: is it the hold on? Hold on, it's the nar NAR. Okay, 311 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: thank you. 312 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: So the NRA is not going to get in that 313 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: much trouble us. But the the so the n a 314 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: R is paying out these damages, could could you tell 315 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: us a little bit about how that is distributed? Does 316 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: that go to. 317 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: It's become a class action situation, so pretty. 318 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: Much anyone to the lawyers. 319 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but pretty much anyone who was affected by these 320 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: specific home sales in these specific states that we're going 321 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: to get to in a second will be able to 322 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: get paid back basically for the exorbitant amount of money 323 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: that they were going to be charged for selling their home. 324 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 2: Because again, these are home sellers, not home buyers that 325 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: are going to get money from the National Realtors Association 326 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: or National Association of Realtors. And I'm just going to 327 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: read this right here. It says they're having to pay 328 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: that money in damages quote for conspiring, uh oh to 329 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 2: artificially inflate commissions for home sales. And the verdict followed 330 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: a two week trial, and the damages award that one 331 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: point seven to eight billion can be tripled under US 332 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: anti trust laws to more than five point three billion dollars. 333 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: Oh man, that's a lot of money. 334 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: You'll love it, loved to hear. 335 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: It, I do love it. So let me actually give 336 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: you the details here. Let me read a little bit 337 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: more of this Reuter's article by the way, that you 338 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 2: can read right now, published on October thirty first, on Halloween. 339 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: It says quote broker compensation in the US has typically 340 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: been about five percent to six percent of a home 341 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: sale price, with about half paid to a buyer's broker. 342 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: Home Sellers complained that this model suppressed competition by keeping 343 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: commissions for buyer brokers in the two and a half 344 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 2: to three percent range, despite the broker's diminishing role, with 345 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: many buyers able to find homes independently online. Now, this 346 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: is a major major thing here, right when in my 347 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: experience when I was looking for a home, I went 348 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: I used Zillo and Redfin and all of these companies 349 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: that you can now just search for a house, and 350 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: a ton of those will let you walk into a house. 351 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: You walk up to it with your phone, you put 352 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 2: a code in through the app, and you just go 353 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: tour the house and you're like, oh, dang, this one 354 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: looks right for me. And even if that's how you 355 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: do it, and you still have some kind of real 356 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: estate you know, agency associated with the purchase of that house. 357 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: It sounds like they were being paid. The sellers said 358 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: the arrangement had quote severe anti competitive effects and made 359 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: quote no economic sense except for the buyer broker. I 360 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: don't know there's more to this story. Maybe there's more 361 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: than I even understand currently been Is there anything else 362 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: we need to think about here? 363 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: Well, we do have to point out that people who 364 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: are working as real estate brokers are not automatically criminals. 365 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: Oh no, you know they're not. Uh, these folks are 366 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: not bad people. They are making a living and as 367 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: you said, Matt, they're doing a solid job. However, if 368 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: there is systemic corruption and our favorite sea word, as folks, 369 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: we all of us on stuff they don't want you 370 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: to know. We do get alerts when case involving conspiracy 371 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: goes to court. What we can argue is that this 372 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: is an accelerating This is indicative of the acceleration toward 373 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: a service society rather than an ownership society. It is, Matt, 374 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this. Off are plenty 375 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: of times it is increasingly difficult for people to reasonably 376 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: afford a house, and this is part of it. You know, 377 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: Like now even people who are selling houses are to 378 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: a degree getting ripped off. It's getting tough all around. 379 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,479 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, Oh, I think so. I'm learning more 380 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: about this as we go. Ben, I've got to bring 381 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: some of this information I'm finding on axios to the 382 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: table here. They've got some great reporting written by Jacob 383 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: Knutson knut s o N. He writes, at the heart 384 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: of the lawsuit is the broker commissions, or the fees 385 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 2: paid by home sellers to brokers for executing transactions or 386 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: providing other services like scheduling property showings, what we've already 387 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: talked about, which are generally factored into the listing price 388 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: of a home. Now specifically at issue is the seller's 389 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: fee payments to the buyer's realtor, which are in part 390 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: governed by this thing called the Clear Cooperation Rule. That's 391 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: something that the National Association of Realtors has. 392 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: Okay, which again is n AR not NR Yes, save yourselfs. 393 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: R two really straight back. So I'm gonna keep going 394 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 2: on going here And these are directly Jacob's words. Thank 395 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: you Jacob for writing these. 396 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: Uh. 397 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: The rule requires sellers to include a fee offer to 398 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: the buyer's agent when listing a home. The fee offer 399 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 2: is visible to the buyer's agent, but prospective buyers usually 400 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 2: don't get to see those, So you, as the person 401 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: who wants to buy your first home or whatever it is, 402 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 2: you don't get to know how much your agent or 403 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: whoever you're working with is going to get paid for 404 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: purchasing that specific home. 405 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: Because this is an audio podcast, we should let everybody 406 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: know that I was vigorously Yeah, it's slowly nodding my 407 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: head in the Western version of no. Because it's the big, right, 408 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: it's the profit margin big. 409 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: It incentivizes agents to sell you as the buyer on 410 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: these expensive homes that have a crazy high amount tied 411 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 2: to them that you don't get to know that. It 412 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 2: could be a home that's a little less expensive, but 413 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: there's a huge bundle of cash there waiting for the 414 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: real estate agent. If they can sell you on that house. 415 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 2: That's crazy to me. They need to pay billion dollars. 416 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: Wait, what do you think about five point three billion? 417 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: Let's play prices right, just this version. 418 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 419 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: We how much does it? What's the vig that the 420 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: the jury gets or the court system gets alight on. 421 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court is totally for sale. At this point, 422 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, whatever whatever, I walk down the street for it. 423 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: We buy at break. Maybe I don't. 424 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: Know, Okay, yeah, let's do an at break. Uh, we'll 425 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: be right back. 426 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: We have returned. We hope you had a good time selling, 427 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: buying homes, trying eye drops. 428 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 2: Uh, turning all of those giant buildings into houses. 429 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: And what we hope you can see clearly is a 430 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: larger theme in this land and use of land is important, 431 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: which is part of the reason why people are twitter 432 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: painted in a negative way about some news that recently 433 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: came to the foreground. Or to be completely clear, we 434 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: should say accusations now Matt earlier, you and NOL and 435 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: Doc Holliday and Michigan Control and I we, like the 436 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: rest of the world, have never lived in the Middle East, 437 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: have never lived in Israel, nor in the West Bank 438 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: or Gaza, and we have been inundated, just like if 439 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: you don't live in the US. What you need to 440 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: know is the two pieces of news that are happening, 441 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: as we have recorded in this past week. They are 442 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: the ongoing the ongoing conflict war in the Middle East 443 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: and the death of a guy who was an actor 444 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: in a ninety sitcom called Friends and Yeah, his name 445 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: was Matthew Perry. 446 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, the death of Matthew Perry has been really weird. 447 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 2: It's freaking sad for him and his family and all 448 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: the people that knew him and loved him, and all 449 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: the people that had that the I guess it's a 450 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 2: parasocial relationship with you know, somebody who's on television who 451 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: we grew up with. You feel like you know that person. 452 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: You feel like you're, oh god, friends with him. Sorry, 453 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: it's just it's true. It's like what you it's actually 454 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: what you feel like. 455 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: Doc wants us to say on air that he was 456 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: also he was also in addition to being child being 457 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: of Friends, who is Benny in Fallout New Vegas. 458 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: I didn't even remember that, Doc, I'm I'm gonna have 459 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: to go back. Wow. 460 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: Okay, And speaking of remembering, let's also remember that around 461 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: the time that famous person died, several other people were 462 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: dying across the world, and particularly in the Middle East 463 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: and maybe houses maybe that's something the news wants, wants 464 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: the world to gloss over, you know, and people are 465 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: dying while Friends was a TV show, And this brings 466 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: us to this brings us to one of the great conspiracies, 467 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: which we're not gonna We don't have to spend too 468 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: much time on it, but we want to thank everybody 469 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: who has written in has taken the time to contact 470 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: us regarding this. We are fully aware that people are 471 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: searching for objectivity in a world where social media is, 472 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: as we predicted so long ago, increasingly weaponized. Social media 473 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: is now inarguably another theater of war, which means that 474 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: whenever any horrific thing occurs, there will instantly be narrative 475 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: pushed toward you, upon you, wherever you go in the 476 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: dopamine casino of online interaction, and with that we will 477 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: also see I hate to say it, Matt, I don't 478 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: want to sound too naive or Pollyanna, but I do 479 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: believe the age of ubiquitous information. Despite the fact that 480 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: social media is weaponized, I do believe that it gives 481 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: us as a civilization access to independent journalists, like conflict journalists, 482 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: people not necessarily beholden to one state power or another, 483 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: Folks that will be able to, often at great risk 484 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: to their own lives, able to report things that should 485 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: be known. And so what we wanted to give you 486 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: towards the end here. It's kind of a bummer. It's 487 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: a weird one. It's a little twilight zone. I want 488 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: to give you this story that came from the Intercept 489 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: quite recently, as we record, Ken Klippenstein on October twenty seventh, 490 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: has has introduced to the West something called Site five twelve. 491 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: Site five twelve is a US base in the desert 492 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: about twenty miles from Gaza. It is a US facility, 493 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: and of course the United States and the Nation of 494 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: Israel work together closely, right, And the accusation is that 495 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: this place was awarded a multi million dollar contract to 496 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: expand operations about two months before the terrorist group Abbas 497 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: attacked the Nation of Israel. And the thing is this base, 498 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: Site five twelve apparently missed any signal from this attack 499 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: from Hamas because they were quote focused on Iran, focused 500 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: on monitoring signals, you know, weapons and the sigant basically 501 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: from the Nation of Iran, which as we know, is 502 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: famously not cool with the United States or Israel or 503 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia for that matter. And this place is this base, 504 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: Site five twelve, per the Intercept article, is located on 505 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: Mount Haka in the Negev Desert, which is not a 506 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: super fun place to live, and. 507 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't look very fun. I'm looking at the Google maps. Yeah, 508 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: on this specific mountain right now. 509 00:32:54,520 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no Dave Imbusters like Miles N and the 510 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: The US government insists that there are no current plans 511 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: to send United States troops or armed forces to Israel 512 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: in the current conflict. However, the allegations are that there 513 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: is not only a secret presence, but that it is growing. 514 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: And this thing, Honestly, this place, in terms of the 515 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: big Department of Defense kind of stuff, it's small beans. 516 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: Thirty five point eight million dollars for a troop facility 517 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: is I know, it is life changing money to most 518 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: of the people who live in the United States. It 519 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: is not life changing money to the United States. 520 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 2: Government, no, but it is money to expand pretty simple barracks, right, 521 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: if that's what you're trying to build, just places for 522 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 2: actual boots on the ground to or from which to 523 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: be deployed. Right, that's quite a bit of money for 524 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: facilities if you're not running those facilities, right, And that's 525 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: why I'm imagining the money that it would take to 526 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: build a some of the facilities without actually having to 527 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: staff and run them. 528 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the idea too, And it's tough with the 529 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: US military at this point. The US military acting abroad 530 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: is usually going to we call it proxies when other 531 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: countries do it. We call them contractors when the US 532 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: does it, which I know is maybe a hot take, 533 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: but shout out Haliburton, shout out ex or Academi or 534 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: whatever they're calling themselves this week. The issue here is 535 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: that this knowledge, this admission or allegation of an American 536 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: military base on Israeli soil. 537 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 2: It it's a. 538 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: Huge deal for people who already suspect some sort of 539 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: conspiratorial thing, you know what I mean. Like, regardless of 540 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: what flavor genre of conspiracy, people maybe subscribing to or 541 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: maybe hatching something like this will present as a smoking 542 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: gun to people with confirmation bias, which makes it a 543 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: bit dangerous. 544 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's definitely dangerous. This Intercept article is fantastic, Ben, 545 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 2: thank you for pointing it out. We didn't write it, Oh, 546 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 2: I know. It's just really good and I wouldn't have 547 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: known about. 548 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: It the way I found this, and credit again to Oh. 549 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,479 Speaker 1: I should mention both authors, Ken Klippenstein and Daniel bogus Law. 550 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: These guys. I found out about their work through a 551 00:35:53,080 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: paper published in Turkey, and this report has already gone 552 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: across Middle Eastern news. I learned about it personally from 553 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 1: a buddy my a former marine friend of mine named Coach. 554 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: We'll call him Coach, So shout out Coach. 555 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 2: Coach. 556 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: You sent me this and you said, oh. 557 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 2: Here we go. 558 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: And at first I thought it was maybe smoke and 559 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: fire and propaganda. Again, I thought maybe no offense, Coach. 560 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: I thought maybe social media had been weaponized against you. 561 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: But this looks legit. It does look as though there, 562 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: it looks as though there is some sand and then 563 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: agev desert when we're talking about Site five twelve, and 564 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: what does this mean? What does this tell us as 565 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: members or citizens or residents of the United States. That 566 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: remains to be seen. And we would love to hear 567 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this. Again. We are saying these are allegations. 568 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: The US government has maintained that there is no offensive 569 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: base of any sort. The big bright line is deployment 570 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: of US troops and they're saying that's not happening. So 571 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: the United States clearly has BASS operations situations all across 572 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: the globe. However, the big question is whether there are 573 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: active troops being deployed in Israel, in the Middle East, 574 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: in Gaza, in the West Bank, anything like that. That 575 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: would be a bright line to cross. 576 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 2: My God. Hopefully we don't see that. 577 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: And as this situation escalates, as this war, which is 578 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: a very old war to be honest, continues, we ask 579 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: you to look back, folks with us at our previous 580 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: episode on what defines genocide? We promised you that we 581 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 1: would not end on a complete downer note. We speaking 582 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: of notes, we do have. We do have a another 583 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: continuing fascination which is entirely unrelated. This is the worst 584 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: segue ever. 585 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 2: We know. It's this is perfect, Ben Matt. 586 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: I feel like you're perfect, all right. We love a 587 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,479 Speaker 1: psyop and I think years ago we were both both 588 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: of us were amazed. We didn't believe it at first. 589 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: I think that music could be used as a tool 590 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: of torture, as a tool of hipgnosis. But looking back, 591 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: it all makes sense. 592 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude, Well, this story is about how music 593 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: can be used as a tool for joy for some 594 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 2: people and horrific annoyance to other people, and it can 595 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 2: happen simultaneously. I'm going to read directly from one of 596 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 2: these articles. It's from The Guardian, written by Serena Solomon 597 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 2: on October twenty third, twenty twenty three. Here's the title, 598 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 2: Siren Kings, New Zealand city plagued by Selene Dion speaker battles. Yes, 599 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 2: that's so delicious, Serena. 600 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's the whole title as a whole headline, 601 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: dot dot Yes, that's so delicious, Serena. 602 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so good. Okay. Here he goes 603 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: a small city in New Zealand plagued by quote siren battles, 604 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 2: cars decked out in loud speakers commonly used emergency warning 605 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 2: systems and often blaring Selene Dion hits. Is calling on authorities. 606 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 2: This she's referring to the small town, small city is 607 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 2: calling on authorities to step in and end the noise. 608 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,439 Speaker 2: The battles are part of a New Zealand subculture where 609 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,959 Speaker 2: music enthusiasts love how she calls them. Music enthusiasts cover 610 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 2: their cars in up to dozens of industrial speakers and 611 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 2: or sirens. Also, she calls them loud hailers. But it's 612 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 2: like a megaphone. Oh, like the actual speaker for a megaphone, 613 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 2: and then they compete to see who has the loudest 614 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 2: and clearest sounds. Oh so no, like, no, none of that. 615 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 2: And also their base is not even a thing in 616 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 2: these siren battles. It is all about the treble, it's 617 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 2: all about the travel. And this is one of the 618 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 2: coolest music subcultures I've ever heard of. And it is 619 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 2: simultaneously activating Old Man Frederick, which says, don't you dare 620 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 2: play loud music while I'm trying to get my son 621 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 2: to sleep or if I'm trying to be up in 622 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 2: the morning. 623 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, guys, don't wake old Man Frederick. And don't 624 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 1: you don't want to Is it past seven pm? 625 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 2: Oh, Frederick's got a hammer in his desk and he's 626 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 2: he aims to use it if he can find you. 627 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: If he doesn't use the eye drop, Oh my god. 628 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah no. But but this is this is really interesting. 629 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 2: So it's a music subculture that exists out there in Cruise. 630 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 2: Think dance crew. This is this is the way I'm 631 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 2: thinking about in my head. I think about a music 632 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 2: subculture or arts culture like dance Cruise. They get together, 633 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 2: they support each other, they work on you know, routines, 634 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 2: on specific songs and then they go out and they perform, 635 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 2: often competitively with other crews that are doing the same thing. 636 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 2: That's what's happening in several places, specifically in Auckland, New Zealand, 637 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 2: and in this small city called Pori Ruha. I think 638 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 2: that's how you would say it. Forgive me if I'm 639 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 2: wrong Pori Ruha. 640 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: Let's spell it er I r Ua. 641 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 2: Yes, that is correct. And there is a fantastic video 642 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 2: that I would recommend everybody watch. It's from R News 643 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 2: like R Colon News. It was put out back in 644 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. The title is Auckland's Underground street music scene, Cars, 645 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 2: loudspeakers and late night sound Battles. It gives you a 646 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 2: fascinating look at the actual culture and some of the 647 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 2: individuals who are participating in this stuff, these siren battles, 648 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 2: because there's such a love for music that goes into 649 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 2: this thing. There's such a hobbyist mentality when it comes 650 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 2: to kitting out cars and bikes not like a motorcycle, 651 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 2: but like an actual you know, bicycle to be able 652 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 2: to compete in these battles. So like figuring out the 653 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 2: wiring on your own figure out how to apply the 654 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 2: amplifier to your bike to get enough sound to the 655 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 2: you know, two to five giant speakers that you've welded 656 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 2: onto your bike frame to then go up there, meet 657 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 2: with a whole bunch of other people in a parking 658 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 2: lot at like midnight, and then compete and see who's 659 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 2: got the loudest, clearest sounds. And guys, there's a title 660 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 2: if you win. If you were the the winner of 661 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 2: all the battles, you become Siren King. That's kind of dope. 662 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: That's super dope. 663 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 2: It's amazing, kind of stinks that it's only a Siren king, 664 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 2: though I don't know, I feel like you can make 665 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,879 Speaker 2: some room. There's probably I don't know. 666 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,240 Speaker 1: Right, siren, siren, queen, siren, imbras siren, but also siren 667 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 1: just the etymology obviously, right. 668 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's a little weird, but it's also cool 669 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 2: and it works. To me, it works like a rap 670 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 2: battle where you kind of go round, you go a 671 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 2: couple of rounds before you decide who the winner is. 672 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? 673 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? Also, Siren monarch, that's a that's a gender neutral one, right. 674 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 2: I like it. Siren King. Those I don't know someone. 675 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: Siren Suzarain for the etymology or sorry for the alliteration, 676 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: Siren Souzerain to fancy fancy made it. 677 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 2: But that battles or fought in two or three rounds. 678 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 2: You what you do is you set up next to 679 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 2: each other in a parking lot somewhere. You play a 680 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 2: song for a couple of seconds, like just a tiny 681 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,320 Speaker 2: snippet of a song. Then your opponent plays a tiny 682 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 2: stimpet and judges stand like pretty far away and listen 683 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,400 Speaker 2: to the music. They judge it on its loudness and 684 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 2: its clarity. And then each round is you know, given 685 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 2: to one whoever won that round, and then you are 686 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 2: the winner of that battle, and then you basically battle 687 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,839 Speaker 2: your way up until you fight the king, like in well, 688 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 2: I don't know, one of these fighting games that we've 689 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 2: all grown up playing the. 690 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: Final Boss right, Yeah, you get to m Bison, yeah. 691 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 2: And then if you win, you become Siren King. It's 692 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 2: super crazy cool, but it's also happening at all times 693 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 2: of the night in this small city, and people are 694 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 2: super fed up. They've they've been petitioning the local council, 695 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 2: specifically people who pay taxes or the I think they 696 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 2: call them rate payers in New Zealand. They're saying, you know, 697 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 2: rates are really high here. We're paying a lot of 698 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,720 Speaker 2: money and we literally can't sleep because of the amount 699 00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 2: of siren battling that's happening. Selene dion Heart is going 700 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,240 Speaker 2: on and on and on and I'm just trying to sleep. 701 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,840 Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing. 702 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's I can see the two sides because 703 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 2: everybody who's participating in it, they're saying, not everybody, but 704 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 2: there are a few, select few people who have been 705 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 2: speaking out for years about this, saying, hey, these activities 706 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,399 Speaker 2: are preventing us and all of my you know, people 707 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 2: who I consider my my brothers in this from doing 708 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 2: things like going out to and doing nightclub stuff all 709 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 2: the time, selling drugs, getting involved in gangs, fighting and 710 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,280 Speaker 2: all this stuff. This is keeping me occupied. Who doesn't 711 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,439 Speaker 2: have a lot to do, especially younger men who are 712 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 2: either unemployed or like part time employed. The time that 713 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 2: they would spend doing other things they do they spend 714 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 2: on this hobby and doing this stuff, and they feel 715 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 2: a camaraderie and brotherhood within the organizations they create their 716 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 2: crews that is actually really healthy and helpful. And what 717 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 2: they want is a specific siren battle stadium or you know, 718 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,720 Speaker 2: a place a designated place to go and have siren 719 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 2: battles to where they're not having to fight police basically 720 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 2: or contend with being you know, fined or arrested or whatever, 721 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 2: because it is kind of against ordinances. 722 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: But is the not quite illegality. Is the sort of 723 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: insouscience of it not part of the appeal? Like the 724 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 1: the the too cool for school? Is that not part 725 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,280 Speaker 1: of the appeal? Like underground racing? You see, you could 726 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: totally go outside of a city area, yeah, and race 727 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 1: to one's heart's content. You could also absolutely, for instance, 728 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,760 Speaker 1: and I will point this out, you could absolutely go 729 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: and have a cipher not on a public train. Yeah, 730 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,400 Speaker 1: like at a venue. They're asking a fair question, but 731 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm also asking is part of the appeal sort of 732 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: the subversion of social norms. 733 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 2: I think you're probably right, but I don't know. I'm 734 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 2: only going off of what I've been reading here in 735 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 2: the reporting, But it seems as though maybe it started 736 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,399 Speaker 2: with a back in I think it was the early 737 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 2: two thousands when it started in Auckland, when it was like, hey, 738 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 2: I'm kind of boasting right by kitting out my car 739 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,319 Speaker 2: in this way and being super loud when I roll through, 740 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 2: perhaps your neighborhood person that I don't like kind of thing. 741 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,439 Speaker 2: I can imagine that occurring. I don't know that for sure, 742 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 2: but it does feel now like there could be space 743 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,839 Speaker 2: for it to be a thing, albeit a probably kind 744 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 2: of annoying thing, if it really is that much. Celean Deon, 745 00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,919 Speaker 2: I really she has a great voice, but I don't 746 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 2: think I could stand that much. 747 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: Celine Dion, Well, there's a tale in that, which may 748 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: be a tale for another evening. Right, because we started 749 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,240 Speaker 1: talking about Psyops songs, and here we are wandering several 750 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: paths because we know, okay, anybody who has had to 751 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,919 Speaker 1: work at a retail job, for instance, wherein you don't 752 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: get to drive the playlist, we can all understand how 753 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: after a certain amount of time, hearing the same songs 754 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: again can feel somewhat torturous. I believe it was the 755 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: Barney song because of the grading sound of children. I 756 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: believe that was used in Syops Cars for Kids. That 757 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,279 Speaker 1: jingle very popular in the United States, right right, Matt 758 00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: shaking his head, folks, that is a legendary, notorious earworm. 759 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: Here and when these songs like Selene Dion is a 760 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: industry created musician, a star by any means, and quite 761 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:18,160 Speaker 1: accomplished in her abilities right, sings very well, has a 762 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:23,000 Speaker 1: beautiful voice, also has a team of people writing those 763 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: songs purposely to create earworms. Right, So having that applied 764 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:37,560 Speaker 1: to your cognition repeatedly, that's worse than just having loud 765 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: songs till two am the same loud song. That's kind 766 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: of wild. 767 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,439 Speaker 2: Forgive me here, but I think you're still thinking about 768 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 2: a Selene Dion song played through a nice set of speakers. 769 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 2: This is you're playing through correct horns, you know. So 770 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 2: the reason why she's chosen is because she's got mostly 771 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,280 Speaker 2: trebled in higher mids. 772 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 1: All right, I get it, I get it. It's it's 773 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: it's my heart. Will go on as angry hostage negotiator 774 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:14,440 Speaker 1: and yeah, exactly, but then echoing across the entirety of 775 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: a city. It's a lot. She's got pipes. The United 776 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: States is also eternally unprepared for the rise of that 777 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: Mariah Carey Christmas song. 778 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 4: Oh God, it's gone the way it's so with that, 779 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 4: with that, oh gosh, if you're outside of the us U, 780 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 4: we wish. 781 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,240 Speaker 1: You the best on that one, and you're so lucky 782 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,759 Speaker 1: that you don't have to hear it. 783 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 2: The other one's playing in my head right now just 784 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 2: because you said her name and that word. 785 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: I know, man, But she's also a phenomenal look all right, 786 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: so this is strange news. Thank you so much, folks 787 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: for tuning in. We appreciate, uh, we appreciate everyone who 788 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: has taken the time to be part of the show. 789 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: As we said, our compatriot Noel brown Is on Adventures 790 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,919 Speaker 1: will be returning soon. Matt. I would like to give 791 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: a very special shout out to our own Alexis code 792 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,480 Speaker 1: named Doc Holliday Jackson for putting up with our shenanigans 793 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: in this strange News in particular. 794 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 2: No, I agree, she's really stuck through it. After all 795 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:30,320 Speaker 2: those SPA treatments, she's I think she's gonna be okay. Wow, wow, 796 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 2: that's what I was trying to get. 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