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Speaker 1: Welcome to She Pivots. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman.
Speaker 1: I first met Brookes Shield at the Marie Claire Power
Speaker 1: Trip talking about her company Beginning is Now, which encapsulates
Speaker 1: so much of what she Pivots is about.
Speaker 5: There's a resilience and a strength and women, and they're
Speaker 5: often not told that it's okay to show it when
Speaker 5: they show it. We're not taught that as you get
Speaker 5: older you can be more confident, strong, or sexier every
Speaker 5: stage of your life.
Speaker 1: As a new Beginning, I immediately wanted to have her
Speaker 1: on the show, but that was almost a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago, and with the release of her documentary
Speaker 1: Pretty Baby, I've learned so much about her life and
Speaker 1: how she fought to pivot away from a narrative that
Speaker 1: was defined for her since her childhood.
Speaker 6: You've been famous all your life. You were practically born famous.
Speaker 7: In nineteen eighty eleven major magazine covers in eleven months.
Speaker 7: She's also rapidly becoming one of the movies most sought
Speaker 7: after Stars and has received the nineteen eighty People's Choice
Speaker 7: Award as Favorite Young Performer. So please welcome Brookshield.
Speaker 1: From dealing with her alcoholic mother who was over controlling
Speaker 1: but love Brooke deeply.
Speaker 8: Because not only is my mom my mom, but she
Speaker 8: is also my manager.
Speaker 1: Were crazy and drove her to be better.
Speaker 9: If you are a child of an alcoholic, it defines
Speaker 9: you to a certain extent, so there's extreme highs and lows,
Speaker 9: and my mom's alcoloholism was a battle that she never.
Speaker 1: Won to later finding her way closer to her own
Speaker 1: voice and agency through her time at Princeton.
Speaker 8: Prior to university, I had sort of one life and
Speaker 8: was very active in it, and then wasn't even sure
Speaker 8: if I wanted to continue in the industry. When I
Speaker 8: finished school, I took about a year off and really
Speaker 8: thought about it, as.
Speaker 10: What did you think about doing?
Speaker 6: I wasn't sure.
Speaker 1: Then, after years of work, she slowly learned how to
Speaker 1: redefine her success and find her own narrative.
Speaker 8: Had I not decided to really, for lack of a
Speaker 8: better way of saying it, just go for it to
Speaker 8: it that I would never know. You know, success is
Speaker 8: a very relative concept, mean person's version of successes could
Speaker 8: be completely different than another. And to me being able
Speaker 8: to really commit to what I want and what I
Speaker 8: believe in as an actress and see where that takes
Speaker 8: me well professionally, I'm gonna I was at a crossroads
Speaker 8: and sort of still am, just coming into a new
Speaker 8: place in my own life and in my own career.
Speaker 8: I'm much more in control of my own career now
Speaker 8: and much more in control of the choices that I'm making.
Speaker 1: Finding a new definition of success was a huge motivator
Speaker 1: in starting this podcast. Brooks story truly blew me away.
Speaker 1: She started modeling as a baby and had been in
Speaker 1: the spotlight ever since. Despite every obstacle or rumor about her,
Speaker 1: she overcame the noise and found her own path and
Speaker 1: her own voice. So I usually started these interviews asking
Speaker 1: about people's childhoods and what they wanted to be when
Speaker 1: they what they thought they wanted to be. But you
Speaker 1: were already in it, and we've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: your childhood. But you were in it so young, Like,
Speaker 1: did you ever think I'm going to be something other
Speaker 1: than an actor?
Speaker 6: I just didn't know anything else.
Speaker 5: I mean, I was nine when I made my first movie,
Speaker 5: and you know it's like kids grow up playing sports.
Speaker 6: That was my sport.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was put into that arena and that was
Speaker 5: my sport.
Speaker 6: That was my hobby.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 6: I did my first job with him, did you how
Speaker 6: old were you?
Speaker 7: Eleven months?
Speaker 5: Eleven months? That was what I did during my summer breaks.
Speaker 5: But I didn't realize how much I loved it. Not
Speaker 5: the modeling so much. I mean, the modeling was whatever
Speaker 5: it was. It just it was sort of a thing
Speaker 5: and you did it and we got to pay the rent.
Speaker 5: And but the acting part and the performance aspect as
Speaker 5: other people, I don't.
Speaker 6: Think I knew how much I.
Speaker 5: Thrived on it and needed it until I stepped away
Speaker 5: from it.
Speaker 1: I mean, even as a child, you brought so much.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right acting word is, like realness,
Speaker 1: Like it's authenticity to your roles of what were you
Speaker 1: drawing from as a child and a teenager to be
Speaker 1: in these roles.
Speaker 5: I don't think I was drawing from much. I mean
Speaker 5: I think if I was drawing from anything, it would
Speaker 5: not have been personal experience.
Speaker 6: It would have been.
Speaker 5: Fellini movies and beautiful French actresses who just seemed like
Speaker 5: they were badass and they could walk into a room
Speaker 5: and nobody was going to mess with them, and this
Speaker 5: sort of larger than life. It was so affected by
Speaker 5: European films and by spending time in Europe, and it
Speaker 5: was just a very different sensibility. But I think when
Speaker 5: I look back, and I really have only ever really
Speaker 5: looked back at Louis Man because he's just, I think,
Speaker 5: the one, true, true, true, true, true artists that I've
Speaker 5: been able to be in the presence of. And albeit
Speaker 5: not very taught, he didn't want me being skilled in
Speaker 5: drawing from experience. He just wanted me to react, And
Speaker 5: so from a very early age, on the one hand,
Speaker 5: I wasn't being given any tools. On the other hand,
Speaker 5: just being in the moment and being present was enough
Speaker 5: for some roles. I don't think it was enough for
Speaker 5: every role, and I think I fell short many times.
Speaker 5: But when I look back at the early, early, sort
Speaker 5: of unadulterated stuff, mostly like Pretty Baby, and then interestingly
Speaker 5: not again until comedy, and comedy was the purest form
Speaker 5: of being present for me because you couldn't overthink it,
Speaker 5: you couldn't research how to be funny. The material was
Speaker 5: either good or not good, but even bad material you
Speaker 5: could find something to make of it. But it had
Speaker 5: to happen in the moment. And so I think I
Speaker 5: learned at an early age that being present and truly
Speaker 5: reacting and listening. And you go to school later and
Speaker 5: they meisner or whatever and the listening things, and I
Speaker 5: would go in these classes and I think, not not
Speaker 5: better if than any of this, but I would think,
Speaker 5: wait a minute, wasn't I just listening when I was
Speaker 5: a kid? Like maybe I just gotta go back to that.
Speaker 5: I can't complicate this, not to say that I'm some raw,
Speaker 5: unbelievable talent, but there was something in the essence of
Speaker 5: that as a child that I learned to really value.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like that applies to so many things,
Speaker 1: not just in acting, but across the board in reacting,
Speaker 1: that we should trust our instincts from being a child
Speaker 1: and go back to it. Like, I feel like that
Speaker 1: could apply in so many contexts.
Speaker 6: It definitely does.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it does in parenting as well.
Speaker 5: If you're willing to get out of your own way
Speaker 5: and get to know your children in a way where
Speaker 5: you know them probably better than most people. If you
Speaker 5: listen to them, and if you ask them, they have nothing. Really,
Speaker 5: they haven't had stuff undone yet. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 5: all the while putting it in a four I'm at
Speaker 5: that allows them to go out into the world and
Speaker 5: know that there are there are rules, and there are consequences,
Speaker 5: and there are all these things.
Speaker 6: But how they feel about it.
Speaker 5: But what I said to my daughters is like, yes,
Speaker 5: you confide in me, you get angry at me, you
Speaker 5: can yell at me, rage at me. Then you need
Speaker 5: me all of these things. But I cannot be fully
Speaker 5: objective because I.
Speaker 6: Love you so much.
Speaker 5: So what happens is either I'm going to try to
Speaker 5: fix it, which I've gotten better at not doing all
Speaker 5: the time, or I'm going to try to give you
Speaker 5: tough love when I need it. But I was like,
Speaker 5: you need to be able to complain about me to somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 5: somebody who can give you constructive criticism or give you
Speaker 5: or just be an ear. I was like, you can't
Speaker 5: just complain to your friends about me, because it's not
Speaker 5: going to be helpful to you, but.
Speaker 1: Also a sign of good parenting that you and your
Speaker 1: kids are talking about with your therapist. Yeah, so I've
Speaker 1: seen you and your older daughter together, and I feel
Speaker 1: like you guys have a really good peer dynamic as
Speaker 1: well as mother daughter dynamic.
Speaker 5: It's become a healthy dose of that. I don't want
Speaker 5: to try to be a nineteen year old again. And
Speaker 5: I see people do that, or I see it's hard.
Speaker 5: You know, we kind of covet what they are because
Speaker 5: we used to be that, yeah at the beginning of
Speaker 5: the story, and everything's perky and flush and great, and
Speaker 5: you know, and they've got everything to look forward to,
Speaker 5: and you kind of go fun of a bitch, really,
Speaker 5: but I don't want to chase it, you know, I
Speaker 5: don't need to hang out with all our friends. But
Speaker 5: our conversation has changed in a really that's where the
Speaker 5: peer part comes in. We're able to talk as two
Speaker 5: women because now I can hear her as a woman,
Speaker 5: I hear her woman this in her. So I've adjusted
Speaker 5: and try to find like that balance. But I will
Speaker 5: say I'm still your mom, especially from my younger one,
Speaker 5: I'm like, you still have to respect me because I
Speaker 5: am your mother. You don't necessarily have to fear me,
Speaker 5: but you do have to respect me. And so it's
Speaker 5: with my older daughter, we've found a really nice balance.
Speaker 5: And my younger daughter, you know, she's three years behind
Speaker 5: and this is the first time she's been an only
Speaker 5: child in the house and that's foreign to her, and
Speaker 5: she's afraid of what's to come. We haven't gotten to.
Speaker 6: That full balance yet, but I think it all happen. Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, I've never spent any time being a horrible
Speaker 5: teenage daughter, and so when my daughters are horrible.
Speaker 6: Teenage daughters, I'm like, I don't understand this. It's foreign
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 5: But you know, they don't have to take care of me, right,
Speaker 5: And when I see them starting to go down that
Speaker 5: road in any way, I just pull back and go,
Speaker 5: I am not for you to parent. I am the parent.
Speaker 5: I do not want to put this on you. I
Speaker 5: don't know if it's just daughters or just whatever, but
Speaker 5: whenever I've seen that start to happen in any way
Speaker 5: where I get insecure and I need their validation for something,
Speaker 5: I just always have to put the brakes on and say, Nope,
Speaker 5: I am not irresponsibility.
Speaker 1: You're making me think about where I put myself in
Speaker 1: our relationship with my kids, because I think that a
Speaker 1: positive that I've gotten out of parenting that I didn't
Speaker 1: expect is that it's unlocked. It's like sillier part of
Speaker 1: me that I had kind of tucked away in adulthood,
Speaker 1: and I find so fun. And it's been like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're dance partying, like now we're playing grocery store
Speaker 1: and like getting super into it. But I'm partly doing
Speaker 1: it because they like it, because I'm partly doing it.
Speaker 6: Because I like it.
Speaker 5: Right, I was an only child with my mom, and
Speaker 5: then I had my father's whole fan which was just
Speaker 5: very very different experience and.
Speaker 6: Very great to have both.
Speaker 5: But it's we are a really fun household because we
Speaker 5: laugh a lot. That is something I did retain from
Speaker 5: my mother, Like we used to laugh all the time,
Speaker 5: and she was silly, but I had to sort of
Speaker 5: be more the adult. So now with my friends, I
Speaker 5: will be more joyous around them and silly around them.
Speaker 6: And the things that my father.
Speaker 5: Other parents don't necessarily bother me because the kids, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean the interviews that you did starting young,
Speaker 1: you were so poised. Did you have coaching around doing
Speaker 1: media interviews?
Speaker 5: Like oh god, no, no, no, no, no, no, I
Speaker 5: mean I think it was just they were not as
Speaker 5: important to me, and their questions were not as important
Speaker 5: to me as protecting my mother was. So like you
Speaker 5: sit in like when I see those I mean, they're
Speaker 5: sort of rather heartbreaking.
Speaker 6: And yet sweet and also you kind of want.
Speaker 5: To say, like, good for you, kid, because you didn't
Speaker 5: let them throw you at all. Yeah, but I wasn't
Speaker 5: scared of them because I deep down I don't think
Speaker 5: I was respecting them. I don't think I respected these
Speaker 5: adults because they were supposed to be in positions of
Speaker 5: power in intellectual ways, and they just kept asking the
Speaker 5: same stupid questions.
Speaker 6: So I was like, oh, here we go again.
Speaker 5: You know, I just got so sort of immune to it,
Speaker 5: but also wanted to be a good girl.
Speaker 1: What became really clear to me and was eye opening
Speaker 1: to me through the documentary is that this whole narrative,
Speaker 1: this whole media narrative around you was formulating in the
Speaker 1: country and you were the symbol of this like young sexualization.
Speaker 1: And what I got from Pretty Baby was that you
Speaker 1: weren't really aware of it, like you just kept going
Speaker 1: through these interviews.
Speaker 6: Oh, I wasn't aware of it at all.
Speaker 5: I was completely shut off too, because I was home
Speaker 5: and in bed and did my homework, and we lived
Speaker 5: in New York.
Speaker 6: It was just my mom and I.
Speaker 5: We would go off Chinese food and then we would
Speaker 5: maybe watch I Love Lucy or something like that, and
Speaker 5: then get to bed and go to school the next day.
Speaker 5: And so it was like this really strange. I shut
Speaker 5: myself off to it, like it just didn't exist.
Speaker 11: How does someone who is sexually inexperienced, a twelve year
Speaker 11: old girl get into the mindset to do a seduction scene?
Speaker 10: What experience do you draw on?
Speaker 11: There is an almost scandalous sensuality to Brookshields. So stay
Speaker 11: with us for a not so innocent evening upstairs at Zee. Now,
Speaker 11: now all of this is added up into now that
Speaker 11: you were perceived and have been for the last couple
Speaker 11: years as a sex symbol.
Speaker 2: How did you relate to that?
Speaker 8: That's another one of the things that I don't even.
Speaker 6: Think about it.
Speaker 1: Do you think your mom was aware of it, that
Speaker 1: there was a whole national conversation about your sexualization as
Speaker 1: a teenager.
Speaker 5: I think she buried her head in the sand a
Speaker 5: lot about a lot of it.
Speaker 6: I think I think she just my.
Speaker 5: Mom didn't think a lot about consequences to anything. She reacted.
Speaker 5: She was never really fully sober. She wanted me to.
Speaker 6: Be adored, and if that.
Speaker 5: Meant I mean, she always used to say sex sel.
Speaker 5: It was always an advertising being a model with sort
Speaker 5: of her ticket out of Newark, and she saw the
Speaker 5: power in her own beauty. And then she had this
Speaker 5: baby that was everything to her. She didn't exist after
Speaker 5: that baby was born, and so it almost didn't matter.
Speaker 5: She would say, it doesn't matter what they're saying about you,
Speaker 5: as long as they're talking about you. So I just
Speaker 5: don't think she gave it any thought.
Speaker 6: There was never a place.
Speaker 5: There was never will do this and then maybe you'll
Speaker 5: follow up that with maybe a theater production. And she
Speaker 5: wouldn't listen to any agents, any managers, anybody that wanted
Speaker 5: to come in and sort of take my career. She
Speaker 5: was like, oh no, that meant removing her and that
Speaker 5: was never going to happen. So on the one hand,
Speaker 5: she was putting me out there, but then on the
Speaker 5: other hand, she didn't want to lose me, so she
Speaker 5: had to keep me really tethered. And I think that
Speaker 5: was just fear and insecurity on her part. You know,
Speaker 5: any type of independence wouldn't mean she would be abandoned.
Speaker 1: You were really at a high point in career when
Speaker 1: you decided to go to college, which wasn't necessarily traditional
Speaker 1: in the industry. Did you feel like you were trying
Speaker 1: to get away from the entertainment industry.
Speaker 5: I wasn't trying to get away from it, because I
Speaker 5: loved it and I just wanted to be in it.
Speaker 5: But I didn't want it to take away from me,
Speaker 5: and I didn't want it to steal college from me.
Speaker 5: And I didn't want it to steal you know. And
Speaker 5: remember I always went to regular schools. You go there
Speaker 5: that first day, and when I was little, it didn't
Speaker 5: really matter. But then you go to high school and
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, you're a famous person, and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm just going to wait this out, and it's going
Speaker 5: to suck, and people are either going to avoid me
Speaker 5: or be mean to me, and I'm just gonna I'm
Speaker 5: gonna wait them out, and I am going to make
Speaker 5: them like me. And I did it, and I did
Speaker 5: it in high school and I did it in college.
Speaker 5: And people don't have a very long attention span. After
Speaker 5: a while, I'm no longer going to be a novelty
Speaker 5: in eighth grade or ninth grade, right, so they'll get
Speaker 5: bored with it and tired. Then they'll just we'll be
Speaker 5: able to meet each other as people. And I think
Speaker 5: I learned that at a very early age, and so
Speaker 5: it became this source of defiance for me. There's a too,
Speaker 5: a really good friend of mine from college. She and
Speaker 5: her wife adopted two children, and my two girls there
Speaker 5: best friends, and they went in to grade school together.
Speaker 5: And we were all on vacation at one of our
Speaker 5: other roommates from college's house, and the girls all of
Speaker 5: a sudden looked at their mom and they.
Speaker 6: Were like, what, why do you Why are you and
Speaker 6: Brooke friends?
Speaker 5: And we have complete opposite lives, And I mean, she's
Speaker 5: in finance. And I looked at the little girl and
Speaker 5: I said, oh, I said, your mom did not want
Speaker 5: to like me at first, I said, but I beat
Speaker 5: her down.
Speaker 6: I said, I beat her down, and I did it
Speaker 6: with humor.
Speaker 5: That's the way I approached things because I was always
Speaker 5: at a disadvantage. It was always me against the world
Speaker 5: or them. So instead of giving it all away and
Speaker 5: being so isolated and lonely, I would charge forward to it.
Speaker 1: It sounded like it took a while in college and
Speaker 1: that at one point you wanted to leave, but your
Speaker 1: mom actually encouraged you to stay.
Speaker 5: It is the most selfless, scared thing I think she's
Speaker 5: ever done. And I think it was the beginning of
Speaker 5: a demise for her because she was letting go.
Speaker 6: But I will say I.
Speaker 5: Appreciate it so much because I was so homesick the
Speaker 5: entire first semester. I was sick about being away from home.
Speaker 5: I had never known that type of discomfort before because
Speaker 5: I wasn't working and I wasn't with my mom, the
Speaker 5: two constant things for my entire eighteen years. And I
Speaker 5: was like, Mom, I can't handle this. I have nothing
Speaker 5: in comment with with my roommates and everything is a mess.
Speaker 5: And I like to order, and I liked neatness, and
Speaker 5: that was part of my sort of OCD way of
Speaker 5: handling Hollywood an alcoholic mom. I would redo my file,
Speaker 5: effects refold my clothes.
Speaker 6: I was like, you know, I had obsessive tendencies.
Speaker 5: Because it kept my world in order. Then I get
Speaker 5: to college and there's just no order at all, and
Speaker 5: everything's sticky and it's beer, and it's like I was like,
Speaker 5: this is a jungle up here, and I just cried
Speaker 5: all the time. I made her come out. She's like, look,
Speaker 5: i'll come out there every Wednesday and take you to dinner.
Speaker 5: You can come home Friday. And after doing that for
Speaker 5: a while and knowing that home was still home and
Speaker 5: she was waiting for me, and then I started kind
Speaker 5: of branching out. And it was through a theater company
Speaker 5: that I found my first group of people and I
Speaker 5: had to try out. I was nervous about not getting in,
Speaker 5: and everybody was possibly giving me a harder time because
Speaker 5: I didn't want me to think that I was getting
Speaker 5: an easy ride, but they didn't know how to do
Speaker 5: it either. Like I didn't hold that against them when
Speaker 5: I got in, and I was cast in group numbers
Speaker 5: and we were all just trying to do our best,
Speaker 5: and it made a huge difference. And then I stopped
Speaker 5: going home as much. And my mom would say, what
Speaker 5: do you want me to come for dinner Wednesday? And
Speaker 5: I'd be like, oh, We've got rehearsal Wednesday, and she
Speaker 5: go okay. So I think that that was it had
Speaker 5: to happen gradually, and I'm just so thankful she didn't
Speaker 5: say yes, come home, and she didn't say don't come home,
Speaker 5: because I knew she would have preferred me with her
Speaker 5: every day. But she said, you will never forgive yourself,
Speaker 5: and that told me that she understood me more than
Speaker 5: I probably ever realized, you know, when she said, you're stubborn.
Speaker 5: When you put your mind to something, you don't give up.
Speaker 5: And she called it the hula hoop syndrome, which was
Speaker 5: a silly story about a hula hoop contest that I
Speaker 5: entered into and one never having hula hooped before. But
Speaker 5: she always kept saying, remember the hula hoop, you will
Speaker 5: never forgive yourself. And I thought that that was a
Speaker 5: huge turning point for her, not necessarily for the best,
Speaker 5: but she was able to show me her love for
Speaker 5: me in that because it changed the course of my
Speaker 5: whole life.
Speaker 6: Going to college. I've always wanted to go to and university.
Speaker 8: I've thought about it ever since I was younger.
Speaker 6: I've always wanted to go to Princeton.
Speaker 12: Her dream came true in nineteen eighty three and she
Speaker 12: was admitted to Princeton. Yet, despite the career demand, she's
Speaker 12: an a student, a member of the Triangle Club, drama society,
Speaker 12: and a good friend to her classmates. Recently, she shared
Speaker 12: the line.
Speaker 1: When you were in college and auditioning for the theater group,
Speaker 1: that's something that I really identify with. You know that
Speaker 1: I come from a family that people have talked about
Speaker 1: my whole life and people have been interested in, and
Speaker 1: that trying to not be that, like, trying to not
Speaker 1: be singularly identified as part of my family, was I
Speaker 1: think the defining motivating factor for me professionally that I
Speaker 1: felt like to some degree it was the elephant in
Speaker 1: the room that everybody around me assumed that I had
Speaker 1: not earned my place, and so therefore I had to
Speaker 1: prove to every body that I was working longer hours,
Speaker 1: working harder, and it broke me. And once I realized
Speaker 1: that they were going to talk about me either way,
Speaker 1: it was actually freeing because then I could make choices
Speaker 1: that were good for me.
Speaker 5: We've been talking a lot about this sort of positioning,
Speaker 5: and I think you're either one type of person or
Speaker 5: you or the other. You know, you either approach it
Speaker 5: from that way or you do rest on your laurels
Speaker 5: because it's easier or because if things are given to
Speaker 5: you to a certain extent. I think I'd seen a
Speaker 5: lot of that in the entertainment industry. I'd seen people
Speaker 5: act like that, and I saw people in my father's
Speaker 5: world be born with whole sets of silverware in their mouth,
Speaker 5: and Oh, I don't want to behave in any way
Speaker 5: that I haven't earned it on my own, because when
Speaker 5: I go to bed at night, or when i'm in
Speaker 5: behind closed doors, I have to struggle with my own
Speaker 5: self worth anyway.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: It started off as, Oh, you think I'm just a
Speaker 5: dowb actress who's gotten a free ride here, So you know,
Speaker 5: I'm going to prove to you that I'm going to
Speaker 5: get straight a's. And I saw them look at my
Speaker 5: grades when they were posted, you know, and they would
Speaker 5: look at theirs and look at mine, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 5: they need that for them. It almost had nothing to
Speaker 5: do with me, and so I was like, oh God,
Speaker 5: that's a waste of energy and time. But I'm such
Speaker 5: an achiever that it became so much less about other
Speaker 5: people because I knew it would just be a matter
Speaker 5: of time before they saw and I wanted to make
Speaker 5: sure that I was doing it because I wanted to
Speaker 5: do it because it's exhausting constantly doing something for other people.
Speaker 5: I spent my life, doing it for approval for everybody else.
Speaker 5: College was the first time that I was doing it
Speaker 5: for myself.
Speaker 3: School everything you expect.
Speaker 13: It's more than I've expected. Really, it went past being
Speaker 13: academically wonderful. I mean it provided an entire social area
Speaker 13: of my life. I mean, I have friends that I
Speaker 13: know I will have for the rest of my life,
Speaker 13: and I throw up my own age and I'm happy
Speaker 13: with them, and.
Speaker 6: I feel comfortable. You didn't tell me how you did
Speaker 6: in your grades this year. I did very well. I
Speaker 6: just got my grades back. You can tell me straight a,
Speaker 6: are you yeah, Princeton?
Speaker 5: Straight a?
Speaker 1: You wrote a book in college, so you know, you
Speaker 1: went into college, you were living a real college life,
Speaker 1: forming that identity and experience for yourself. And then this
Speaker 1: book you talked about the fact that you were still
Speaker 1: a virgin, and it brought your sexuality back into the
Speaker 1: national conversation.
Speaker 5: It was not the intention that it was so not
Speaker 5: the intention. What pissed me off about that book was
Speaker 5: that that first chapter that I actually penned. These amazing
Speaker 5: English classes I was taking, I was taking French literature classes.
Speaker 5: I was doing all of this psychology and philosophy and
Speaker 5: all these unbelievable places for me to find opinions in
Speaker 5: my own psyche. And I brought all of that. Maybe
Speaker 5: I was I wasn't trying to be lofty. I was
Speaker 5: proud of my thoughts were kind of forming in and
Speaker 5: I was writing essays all the time. And so I
Speaker 5: wrote this first chapter and it was deep. It was
Speaker 5: really about being so homesick that I could hardly see straight,
Speaker 5: being famous, trying so hard to find my people, wanting
Speaker 5: to go home, trying to be fine friends. Like it
Speaker 5: was just it was a very honest. It was like
Speaker 5: a beautiful diary entry. And it was rejected so quickly,
Speaker 5: and they hired a ghost writer and it became a
Speaker 5: how to book of like how to wear leg warmers
Speaker 5: and how to eat at a buffet with you know,
Speaker 5: had to pack for a weekend and pizza at eleven
Speaker 5: o'clock is going to make your waistline bigger. And it
Speaker 5: was just so inane that I just gave into it.
Speaker 5: And we get to this chapter about boyfriends and things
Speaker 5: that my mom said, based on your fan mail, so
Speaker 5: many kids are looking to you for advice, So why
Speaker 5: don't you use this book as an opportunity to be
Speaker 5: honest about how you live your life. And obviously she
Speaker 5: was thrilled I was a virgin because I could still
Speaker 5: be hers. And so I was like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 5: ashamed of this. No, I don't smoke, and I'm not
Speaker 5: interested in throwing up blackout drunk on the weekends in college.
Speaker 5: Like that's not the way I'm motivated, So I said,
Speaker 5: and I'm a virgin now. It was still a catholic
Speaker 5: thing for me. Then, I think I was still there
Speaker 5: was such arrested development. I mean, I was so sort
Speaker 5: of naive. I was very mature on one level and
Speaker 5: very sequestered and protected and naive, and the other worked,
Speaker 5: it didn't. I was not going to challenge it. It
Speaker 5: worked fine for me, and I was willing to be
Speaker 5: honest about it. And I was like, look, if you're
Speaker 5: feeling pressure, don't do it. Like it was like my body.
Speaker 5: My choice was I was saying that in nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 5: or you know, basically saying there's no reason why anybody
Speaker 5: should pressure you in a relationship. The irony was I
Speaker 5: had been the antithesis of that in a career, but
Speaker 5: in real life I was chased, you know, And so
Speaker 5: I was just being honest, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: I went from oh, she's Lolita to she's America's sweetheart,
Speaker 5: most famous virgin. And it was just like, really, I'm
Speaker 5: going to Princeton University and that's what you're fucking interested in.
Speaker 7: Do you believe in premierental psychles you feel strongly about
Speaker 7: maintaining your virginity?
Speaker 12: You know I'm going to go right here, well only
Speaker 12: be I have to get not nasty, but I have
Speaker 12: to get I personally ask.
Speaker 4: You the virginity question.
Speaker 2: I'm a little puzzled.
Speaker 5: It was so like I was like, Wow, they're not
Speaker 5: really interested in stuff with any depth. And you know,
Speaker 5: so many kids came up to me and said thank you.
Speaker 5: Parents came up to me and said thank you. Your
Speaker 5: honesty about everything from drugs to virginity too. Everything was
Speaker 5: just so helpful because it started conversations for me and
Speaker 5: my children that sort of set a precedent because I thought, Okay,
Speaker 5: the written word can carry a message that you wish
Speaker 5: to put out there. So you are never going to
Speaker 5: let someone else write your own book again, and you're
Speaker 5: going to own everything that you put on paper.
Speaker 1: You wrote in a later book, the moment I slept
Speaker 1: with Dean, who was your boyfriend at the time, was
Speaker 1: the moment I left my mother. I chose him and
Speaker 1: I felt this, and I'm sure she did as well.
Speaker 1: So even at the time, did you see that as
Speaker 1: like a pivot point for your agency.
Speaker 6: No, because I.
Speaker 5: Fed carried with it's such guilt, and I just I
Speaker 5: just thought the world was going to know. And I
Speaker 5: was a fallen woman, and you know, I mean, it
Speaker 5: was such a shame because I've done movies about young
Speaker 5: love and the beauty of them and the freshness of it,
Speaker 5: and that just the beauty of falling in love for
Speaker 5: the first time, and I was so in love with them,
Speaker 5: and yet that whole part of me was just shut
Speaker 5: down and it was a shame.
Speaker 6: I think it was a lost opportunity.
Speaker 5: But it was the minute I remember thinking, oh, I've
Speaker 5: just left my mother.
Speaker 8: I'm less her little girl and her friend more her
Speaker 8: business partner as.
Speaker 5: Well, because once that happened, I think to her and
Speaker 5: her Psyche, she lost control of me. Someone had more
Speaker 5: power over me, and that was devastating to her. I mean,
Speaker 5: the ameshment for her was so much, even worse than
Speaker 5: it was for me. Because I was at the beginning
Speaker 5: of things in my life.
Speaker 1: Right do you remember when that turned into your own agency,
Speaker 1: not just over your body and your personal life, but
Speaker 1: over your career as well, since your mother had had
Speaker 1: so much control in that aspect.
Speaker 5: I would love to say there weren't years in between
Speaker 5: that happening. I mean, I think what happened was I
Speaker 5: needed to do it intellectually first, so you know, you
Speaker 5: have that experience.
Speaker 6: But then I.
Speaker 5: Still had years of college during which to get to
Speaker 5: know myself. And once it started with opinions. I have
Speaker 5: opinions about things. I have instincts about people, I have
Speaker 5: instincts about situations.
Speaker 6: And I was in an.
Speaker 5: Environment where you've got some of the greatest minds in
Speaker 5: the world looking at you and saying, what do you
Speaker 5: think about this? Let's talk about what you think is important.
Speaker 5: And that was such a novel experience for me that
Speaker 5: I got like addicted to it, right, But then that
Speaker 5: was only in the education field. Right then I had
Speaker 5: to come back out into sort of my real life.
Speaker 5: And I say that facetiously, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: people didn't want that.
Speaker 6: They didn't want the new me, they wanted the old me.
Speaker 5: The one that had no opinions and just smiled and
Speaker 5: nodded and did what everyone said.
Speaker 6: And it worked for me. Then, do you know what
Speaker 6: I mean?
Speaker 5: I got approval, so it wasn't uncomfortable for me coming
Speaker 5: out of it. I thought, Okay, I've done this intellectually,
Speaker 5: How the hell am I going to do it in
Speaker 5: my life?
Speaker 1: At this point, Brooke had a degree from Princeton, countless
Speaker 1: movies and magazines under her belt, and was still struggling
Speaker 1: to find work.
Speaker 5: I wasn't getting work, so I wasn't getting a chance
Speaker 5: to exercise my talent and get strong longer with that,
Speaker 5: and I was not physically in good a good place,
Speaker 5: and so I thought, Okay, I've done it intellectually to
Speaker 5: a certain extent, I don't want to lose that. What
Speaker 5: do I have control over? And at that point I
Speaker 5: still didn't. I didn't feel like I had control over
Speaker 5: my career. Certainly didn't feel like I had control over
Speaker 5: my mother because she was so far in a bad
Speaker 5: place by then that that I felt helpless.
Speaker 6: There, I felt helpless.
Speaker 5: So I just became sort of focused on myself physically.
Speaker 5: So I took Dan's class for four or five hours
Speaker 5: a day. I went to acting class, I studied, I
Speaker 5: went deeper into therapy and just committed myself to getting
Speaker 5: stronger physically. So I had the physical, I had the intellectual,
Speaker 5: and I just needed to work on my psyche, you know.
Speaker 5: And it just took time, and it took relationships that
Speaker 5: I went into that I chose it was over my mother,
Speaker 5: and I would come out of every one of those
Speaker 5: relationships with a little bit more of myself, either what
Speaker 5: I didn't want or what I did want.
Speaker 6: And it just took time.
Speaker 5: It took into my probably when I went on tour
Speaker 5: with Greece as a rizzo, because I went on tour
Speaker 5: by myself. I'd never traveled by myself before and was
Speaker 5: performing in front of thousands of people and scared out
Speaker 5: of my mind, and I did it.
Speaker 7: I was gracing the has graced the covers of thousands
Speaker 7: of magazines, now making a Broadway debut in Greece and
Speaker 7: getting raised good for he Is book shales everybody.
Speaker 5: And I came out of it with people saying good job.
Speaker 5: And it took hard work, and so I sort of
Speaker 5: had to chip away at everything so that I could
Speaker 5: find what was always there to begin with.
Speaker 6: But that I couldn't hear right.
Speaker 1: What I took away from the documentary at this point
Speaker 1: was that you went into a relationship with your ex
Speaker 1: with Andre for many years and then eventually married, and
Speaker 1: it seemed at that point that there was maybe some
Speaker 1: sort of like moving for you of like under control
Speaker 1: from your mother to under control from him, like he
Speaker 1: kind of filled that void, and that was like the
Speaker 1: process of moving into your own agency.
Speaker 5: And it also he was the first person who said,
Speaker 5: you know, if you really want to be an actress,
Speaker 5: you're complaining that you're not getting any work, and you're
Speaker 5: sad about it, and you're empty, you feel terrible. Why
Speaker 5: are you sitting in New York City without an agent
Speaker 5: or a manager. You've got to go back and get
Speaker 5: out on a limb. And in a way, I was
Speaker 5: doing what I had done in college, but I had
Speaker 5: to do it in my career. So I told my
Speaker 5: mother that I was separating from her as a manager,
Speaker 5: and that if I was going to do this fail
Speaker 5: or not, I knew I needed to do it on
Speaker 5: my own, without the same relationship that we had had.
Speaker 5: And so then she became in her mind the sort
Speaker 5: of the martyr again who gets forsaken, you know, three
Speaker 5: times by the sunrise or whatever, and you know, she
Speaker 5: then becomes I knew you were I knew it was
Speaker 5: going to happen. This happens, and it's the natural course
Speaker 5: of events, but for her, it meant death. You know,
Speaker 5: she didn't believe that I was going to be able
Speaker 5: to do it. I think she was like, good yeah,
Speaker 5: good luck. In Hollywood, they're going to devour you, you know,
Speaker 5: And that was just her way of sort of protecting
Speaker 5: herself because it's you know, no one's ever going to
Speaker 5: love you like I do.
Speaker 1: During our interview, Brooke revealed that there were problems beyond
Speaker 1: being unable to land a movie. She was struggling to
Speaker 1: stay afloat financially.
Speaker 5: The really interesting thing and it didn't make the documentary.
Speaker 5: But my best friend from high school brought this up
Speaker 5: to me because I left, I went out to LA
Speaker 5: I sort of morphed into his.
Speaker 6: Life, but he was helping me.
Speaker 5: He was helping me get back on my feet financially
Speaker 5: because I needed to sell houses and I didn't know
Speaker 5: how to sell a house, and I didn't how to
Speaker 5: balance my money, and I didn't none of this.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: My mom never even learned herself. It was like all
Speaker 5: went into a big pot and we kept buying houses,
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden I found I was in
Speaker 5: a position with no capital whatsoever, and.
Speaker 6: Like seven places of real estate.
Speaker 5: And my ex said, you got to sell one to
Speaker 5: pay off the other to sell to it, and you
Speaker 5: don't need this, and you don't need this, and you're
Speaker 5: not going to be needing this, and you need to
Speaker 5: scale down, liquidate, get back on your feet with that.
Speaker 5: So it buys you freedom to audition and do all that.
Speaker 5: And that sort of was just the beginning for me
Speaker 5: of finding agency and just being able to survive and live.
Speaker 5: But then he became a source of control because once
Speaker 5: my wings started to really spread and I was I'm
Speaker 5: in this television show that changes my life, never been happier,
Speaker 5: and it's where I'm meant to be. It was as
Speaker 5: if I finally found my purpose on screen and just
Speaker 5: was living in such a happy place that that meant
Speaker 5: I was leaving him in his perspective.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know if he would.
Speaker 5: Ever articulate it that way, but it happened again and
Speaker 5: I thought, oh, this is really interesting. The moment you
Speaker 5: start to truly have agency and have independence. It threatens
Speaker 5: many of the systems that have worked for a lot
Speaker 5: of people around you, and in this documentary.
Speaker 6: Is the same thing. It sort of ignited this thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I remember when that that episode of
Speaker 1: Friends aired. It was I mean, it was groundbreaking. You
Speaker 1: were so funny. I remember when I rewatched it in
Speaker 1: the documentary. I remembered the way I felt the first
Speaker 1: time I saw it because it was so funny and
Speaker 1: we didn't expect it from you, like you were so
Speaker 1: committed to it. So then, you know, both to reading
Speaker 1: your books and to see in the documentary that that
Speaker 1: would that you went back into the green room and
Speaker 1: it was not well received, kind of crushed me on
Speaker 1: your behalf.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 5: You know, that's something that people have really been taking
Speaker 5: away from the documentary, and it was so familiar to
Speaker 5: me that I call it the broadcast news. Do you
Speaker 5: remember when Holly Hunter unplugs the phone to cry really quickly,
Speaker 5: and then she plugs the one back in.
Speaker 6: I lived my life so much like.
Speaker 5: That, where temper your joy because it's too much for
Speaker 5: people like that moment to me was so important because
Speaker 5: all through rehearsal they didn't let me do the crazy
Speaker 5: and I was so frustrated, and I was like, God,
Speaker 5: I know they know better, they're the ones in charge,
Speaker 5: but thank god, I have to do this.
Speaker 6: I have to do this. And they said no, no, no.
Speaker 6: I was like, just do what they say.
Speaker 5: Just you're lucky to be here, be thankful to shut up,
Speaker 5: do the line and leave like it was just it
Speaker 5: was so familiar to me. And then when we did
Speaker 5: the second pass and they let me do it because
Speaker 5: they had gotten what they wanted in the can, so
Speaker 5: they felt safe going for it.
Speaker 6: The second time.
Speaker 5: And it was just met with I mean, there was
Speaker 5: shock at the moment in the audience because that's when
Speaker 5: we had live audiences. And then it was like this uproar,
Speaker 5: and then the scene was over and I just was like, oh,
Speaker 5: what just happened. There was something divine about it, you know,
Speaker 5: And to go back into the dressing room, and he
Speaker 5: was embarrassed by my behavior, even though he knew it
Speaker 5: was in the script. To this day, I don't know
Speaker 5: what the trigger was. I mean, I'm sure it went
Speaker 5: back to something in his childhood. But I thought to myself, Oh,
Speaker 5: here we go again. You're not allowed to enjoy this,
Speaker 5: so are you? What are you going to do about it?
Speaker 5: So I took care of the situation to the best
Speaker 5: I could, just by sort of telling everybody I was
Speaker 5: fine and this is just he left. And then I
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, do I go in my dressing room
Speaker 5: and cry, or do I go into the friend's dressing
Speaker 5: room and just insert myself in with them?
Speaker 6: And that's exactly what.
Speaker 1: I did, given that you had in some ways gone
Speaker 1: from your mother's world into Andre's world, and then you
Speaker 1: took this moment to say this is my life, like
Speaker 1: this is my story and I'm going to write it.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like maybe the end of that marriage
Speaker 1: was like a bigger going out on your own moment
Speaker 1: for you then kind of moving away from your mother?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean it was. It was so significant because
Speaker 5: you know, there's all these silly metaphors, but it's like
Speaker 5: I had gotten the Brass Ring like it was mine
Speaker 5: and I got my own show, and I thought, you
Speaker 5: are nobody is going to take this away from me,
Speaker 5: and I refuse, this is mine, this is my time
Speaker 5: right now, I'm doing this and I love it so
Speaker 5: much that I'm going to commit a thousand percent every day.
Speaker 5: You know, Andre had really helped me separate from my
Speaker 5: mother in a loving way. He was very kind to
Speaker 5: her and generous and didn't try to make me choose him.
Speaker 5: That was always a big thing for men, choose them
Speaker 5: over her, and it was never going to work. And
Speaker 5: he brought her in. She never, you know, was happy
Speaker 5: about any of it. But at that moment when I
Speaker 5: left him, I was already in my show.
Speaker 6: So I think that that day.
Speaker 5: The next day, when I was asked if I wanted
Speaker 5: to be on my own show, I was really just
Speaker 5: I thought, Okay, not going to let anybody hold me down,
Speaker 5: not my mother, not my husband. I'm going to try
Speaker 5: to embrace it all. But I'm going to not lose
Speaker 5: sight of this. This is a chance to really show
Speaker 5: and be where you feel like you want to and
Speaker 5: deserve and can be, you know. And it was just joyous, real,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 10: And your choice for favorite female performer in a new
Speaker 10: television series is.
Speaker 6: Brookshields. For suddenly some day.
Speaker 10: You have the feeling that people are taking you seriously
Speaker 10: now who didn't before, who somehow looked on Brookshields as
Speaker 10: almost a character, a creature they didn't really know, but
Speaker 10: didn't know had any talent other than she'd gone to Princeton.
Speaker 10: She was bright, she'd gotten a degree in Princeton, but
Speaker 10: they didn't know what she had other than that modeling thing.
Speaker 8: Very much so, and that's that that perception, whether it
Speaker 8: was a projection or not, whether it was media hype,
Speaker 8: whether it was from a role or from is very understandable.
Speaker 8: People were confused about me, and I think to a
Speaker 8: certain extent that's that's understandable. But now they at least
Speaker 8: have something more tangible to judge, and what they come
Speaker 8: away with is now more legitimate. They can see it
Speaker 8: and say if they like it or if they don't
Speaker 8: like it. I can get credit for just being there
Speaker 8: and really committing to it, because you can't go through
Speaker 8: it easily. So I do feel a sense of respect
Speaker 8: that I don't even think I had for myself, and
Speaker 8: I don't think had I not had that, I couldn't
Speaker 8: have expected it.
Speaker 1: What is something that you saw as a negative or
Speaker 1: a low point in your life, but now in hindsight
Speaker 1: you really see it as having launched you.
Speaker 5: I think it all God, every negative thing that happened
Speaker 5: allowed something else to I'm into my life.
Speaker 6: I don't have regret like that.
Speaker 5: Like I just think, even thinking about all the negativity
Speaker 5: that surrounded my early early career, even that although it
Speaker 5: was painful and it was hard for me to grapple
Speaker 5: and understand it hard for me not to take personally,
Speaker 5: gave me such strength over the course of my life.
Speaker 6: So it's I.
Speaker 5: Mean, of many, like many jobs that I've gotten rejected from,
Speaker 5: and you think, oh, it's the worst thing in the world,
Speaker 5: and then you find yourself doing something else and it's
Speaker 5: a revelation to you, you know.
Speaker 6: So, And I'm not like a Pollyanna.
Speaker 5: It's just shit happens and there's nothing you can do
Speaker 5: about it, you know. I mean, losing my first baby
Speaker 5: was probably the worst thing that I could have ever
Speaker 5: imagined happening, and then you realize how common it is,
Speaker 5: and then it allowed me to.
Speaker 6: Have my other children.
Speaker 5: Not going into detail, but like it actually afforded me
Speaker 5: the ability to be able to have children, which is
Speaker 5: you don't always learn why it's positive, you know, sometimes
Speaker 5: you never learn it. But I do think that every
Speaker 5: negative thing that's happened has just if at the very least,
Speaker 5: afforded me knowledge about how much of a fighter I am.
Speaker 6: You know, and that's a self affirming Yeah.
Speaker 1: When you wrote your book down Comes the Rain about
Speaker 1: your postpartum depression, it ignited a massive national conversation about depression,
Speaker 1: about the state of motherhood if postpartum depression existed as
Speaker 1: you were still going through it, which I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine.
Speaker 6: Act as a new mother.
Speaker 1: Brookshields is being attacked by Tom Cruise.
Speaker 6: The issue for me was really about the children.
Speaker 3: Just one month after his infamous couch meltdown, Tom is
Speaker 3: targeting Brook.
Speaker 8: The thing that I'm saying about Brook is that she
Speaker 8: doesn't understand there.
Speaker 6: Was a real change that affected my chemistry. There is
Speaker 6: no such thing as a chemical imbalance. It's part of depression.
Speaker 4: Sex between thirteen to twenty percent of women after giving work.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just kind of one of many times
Speaker 1: in your life that by you opening up about your
Speaker 1: personal experiences, you have ignited a national conversation. What kind
Speaker 1: of emotional toll does that take on you.
Speaker 5: I don't think I intended ever to ignite anything bigger
Speaker 5: than my own truth, so that I could own it
Speaker 5: and that my kids could have the power of knowledge,
Speaker 5: you know, So I don't I never set out to say,
Speaker 5: like I'm going to change the world. But the way
Speaker 5: I do things is I just I'm so accountable to
Speaker 5: my actions, good or bad, that when things really knock
Speaker 5: me on my head, I have to understand them and
Speaker 5: I have to find out why, and I have to say, like,
Speaker 5: why is this happening?
Speaker 6: What does it mean? I can't let it kill me.
Speaker 6: I can't let it.
Speaker 5: It's like I It's just it's the way I go
Speaker 5: into things because I hate losing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like I hate I hate giving up. I guess that's it.
Speaker 5: Not losing so much, because I've lost plenty, but like
Speaker 5: I hate giving up. I hate being on the bench.
Speaker 5: I hate because you know, secretly, I did it more
Speaker 5: for myself and for my children, but I knew that
Speaker 5: it could help somebody because there was nothing out there
Speaker 5: for me to read to feel better myself, and so
Speaker 5: I thought, I cannot be the only person in the
Speaker 5: world that has experienced this, you know. And so I
Speaker 5: think I was not thinking about the large scale, but
Speaker 5: I think I was thinking about one or two people
Speaker 5: actually reading the book and making a difference to them.
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll pivot again?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Absolutely, I'm so excited. The miracle of all of.
Speaker 5: This to me, this documentary and this like in depth
Speaker 5: analysis of just like twenty four to seven meters, which
Speaker 5: is a lot.
Speaker 6: Is there's more to come, Like I can't.
Speaker 5: Believe that I'm still so excited for my future. And
Speaker 5: I'm going to do a movie in Thailand for seven weeks.
Speaker 6: You know. I've started my own.
Speaker 5: Company all about pivots and beginnings and for women over forty.
Speaker 5: Look at anybody, the guy on the street, you meet,
Speaker 5: you know, and they've all had a now what moment?
Speaker 6: Multiples.
Speaker 5: You don't get into college, you don't here, you don't whatever,
Speaker 5: you're divorced, or you get a diagnose, whatever those things are.
Speaker 5: And I love hearing people how they processed and how
Speaker 5: they decided to pivot and to move through it. There
Speaker 5: is more, you know, and I'm thrilled that I'm not
Speaker 5: shut off.
Speaker 6: To any of it. So I will, I hope I
Speaker 6: pivot many more times.
Speaker 1: Brook, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Brooke lives in New York with her husband and two daughters.
Speaker 1: Brooke continues to further the conversation for women over forty
Speaker 1: with her company, Beginning is Now through her work she
Speaker 1: has built a growing global community of women who embrace
Speaker 1: the many changes in life. Her documentary Pretty Baby premieres
Speaker 1: on Hulu and I cannot recommend it enough. To follow Brook.
Speaker 1: You can find her on Instagram at Brookshields. Thank you
Speaker 1: for listening to this episode of she Pivots, where I
Speaker 1: talk with women about how their experiences and significant personal
Speaker 1: events led to their pivot and eventually their success. To
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Speaker 1: Nina Pollock, and research and planning from Christine Dickinson and
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