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Speaker 3: Sack of Verty and Health Keep getting Better. New guests today,

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Speaker 1: With last December.

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Speaker 2: December.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're joined by Evan Barnes. He covers the

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Speaker 3: He took over for Kim Jones a little more than

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Speaker 3: halfway through last season. So how has it been first

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Speaker 3: offseason trying to kind of figure out what the New

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Speaker 2: I tell you it's it's been cool kind of learning

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Speaker 2: some things. I mean, it's been a chance to kind

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Speaker 2: of see how the Giants are doing things, how the

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Speaker 2: NFL does things with their schedule, because obviously I've been

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Speaker 2: so used to an NBA calendar covering the Nets. So

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Speaker 2: it's a lot to learn in this offseason. Like it's

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Speaker 2: not you know, there's more practices, there are more things

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned it, so you covered the nets. What

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Speaker 2: This is in the off season.

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Speaker 3: That you can actually go to right right like the nets.

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Speaker 2: For example, like when they were done they hired a

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Speaker 2: The first time we saw anything was really Summer League,

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Speaker 2: have more practices with the Giants, so I could see

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta imagine.

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Speaker 3: And then you were at the Senior Ball I remember correctly, right,

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Speaker 3: I was, And you were at the Combine as well. No,

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Speaker 3: you're at the Senior Bowl. Is that kind of like

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Speaker 3: NBA Summer League where you have kind of everybody there

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Speaker 2: I'll say in that sense, yes, like there were a

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Speaker 3: League combine is more beat market eve that they and

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Speaker 3: bit different, not exactly, no, not quite the same thing.

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Speaker 3: All right, So what's your let me start here. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was only here for five games.

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Speaker 3: As you look at the offseason as a hole and

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Speaker 2: I think the defense. I mean, we we were here

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Speaker 1: Tired of watching teams march up and down the freight.

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Speaker 2: He singled them out. So you look at how much

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Speaker 1: And we heard from Shane Bowen today.

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Speaker 3: He spoke to the media and he pretty much said

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's funny you say it, cause it reminds

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Speaker 2: they need more takeaways. They're emphasizing it. And you got guys,

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Speaker 2: the score great. How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but citizens?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and let's be honest, this team has wont super

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Speaker 2: Bowls on the backs of his defense. Right. They've had

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Speaker 1: What's your early impressions of abdual Quarter.

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Speaker 2: He's something, isn't he. That's not like I say, He's

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Speaker 2: But you just see him. He just he loves it.

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Speaker 1: And he has an edge to him.

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Speaker 3: But just when you talk to him, he just seems

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll talk to his D line coach at

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the offensive side of the ball. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: about that mostly today. I mean the same, there weren't

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Speaker 1: And I'm making that as a comment.

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Speaker 3: Like he he knows how to answer every question, the

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Speaker 3: you see him in practice go up to every teammate

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Speaker 1: To each guy.

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Speaker 3: Is he's just like a guy that's like born to

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Speaker 2: I think so. And you know, obviously I wasn't covering

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Speaker 3: And he does do that and his answers by the

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Speaker 2: I mean that's more than he mentioned. It is a

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Speaker 2: That's you want to see that, So you may look

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Speaker 2: You got a quarterback you can groom. We've talked about it,

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Speaker 2: How do you groom this quarterback?

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Speaker 3: He does actually actually played baseball in high school.

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Speaker 2: to those rules, like you gotta slid and not die.

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Speaker 2: Let's let your feet capt somebody, not your shoulder.

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Speaker 3: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to learn about an Mollia routine. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: Could help make sense of your money with citizens. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: absolutely right. The league neighbors Russell Wilson has been has

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look he's been very Russe Wilson was positive

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what people want to see. They

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Speaker 2: I was hearing the injuries.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like if he ends up claiming that spot.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense, and obviously he's such a big guy,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Evan, this was fun man. Good getting to meet you.

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Speaker 1: It's good having you on the beat. Pleasure. Thank you

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Speaker 1: forciate it. Glad to be here.

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Speaker 3: That's the Johns Total Podcast, brought to you by Citizens

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Speaker 3: Official Bank of the Giants. Thank you for joining us

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Speaker 3: in the Hackensack and Mariney Health Podcast Studio.

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Speaker 1: Keep getting better. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Everybody,