Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast doesn't know what a Matten code is.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by Serious XM. My name is Dan hands As
Speaker 1: I am joined and he re filled with heroes Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal. What is up, boys? Hey? Dan,
Speaker 1: You've been plummixed by the Internet and the Madden code
Speaker 1: craze sweeping across Twitter right now. Uh tell us why
Speaker 1: it is that the codes confuse you so well? Growing up,
Speaker 1: we didn't have codes for vine. I assumed it was
Speaker 1: the Springsteen music for this. I assumed it was something
Speaker 1: that like major players stronger or better. Instead, it's just
Speaker 1: a way to download the actual game, which I should
Speaker 1: have deduced, but I didn't. It's like back in my day,
Speaker 1: we used to have to go up hills both ways,
Speaker 1: go up up, up, down down b A B A
Speaker 1: start start to make our players better. We did like
Speaker 1: when you guys, the four of you get together to
Speaker 1: talk about video games, which games do you talk about?
Speaker 1: And I had to bring it to them. This is
Speaker 1: not exactly not actually a gamer quartet if we've ever
Speaker 1: done that when I talked about sure, but I don't appreciate,
Speaker 1: and you know, I understand the money tag isn't allowed
Speaker 1: to go on and on and clarify and be nuanced.
Speaker 1: It's got to be clipped and you're gonna get to
Speaker 1: the point. But it makes us all look like we
Speaker 1: don't understand that. I'm I understand how how the codes
Speaker 1: were here? This Mark Sessler is with me, Well, he's hip.
Speaker 1: It's the Friday Show. Get excited a little bit of drama.
Speaker 1: Yesterday Thursday, Ricky came after our own listeners on Twitter,
Speaker 1: demanding that they stopped sending money tags, which you know,
Speaker 1: I that rubbed me a little wrong way. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: because the listeners are by we asked them to do that,
Speaker 1: and Erica had no problem on the show saying yes,
Speaker 1: send them to at Erica, tamp post the NFL whatever,
Speaker 1: tamp post the NFL. And then you're telling the listeners
Speaker 1: don't dare send me any more money tags. What's where's
Speaker 1: the breakdown here? Okay? First of all, you just said
Speaker 1: send them to me and said up, let's make a
Speaker 1: thread or anything. I've had people continue to send more
Speaker 1: and more. I mean sending that out. It's only asking
Speaker 1: for more, So send money hashtag money tags to Erica
Speaker 1: team post No, send them all to Greg Rosenthal. Help
Speaker 1: mute you all like you already are? Who is there?
Speaker 1: All right? Maybe what where the breakdown is? Here? Is?
Speaker 1: You know? Is there a different handle to send it to?
Speaker 1: How can we make this better for you? Because I
Speaker 1: was snapping at the listeners not the right way to
Speaker 1: go about this. What can we do snapping at the listeners?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of a bit though. It's like, hey, engagement,
Speaker 1: You actually know that, like forty people are going to
Speaker 1: respond to them when you do that, so it's all
Speaker 1: like fun in games. Yeah, I'm not. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know how you get mad about like two tweets about
Speaker 1: something on the show, Imagine hundreds and hundreds of them separately.
Speaker 1: My phone is going off saying around the nf BO
Speaker 1: like lakes hot peppers, I've gotten that four hundredfications. By
Speaker 1: the way, where you clear? He actually I had a suggestion.
Speaker 1: Doesn't the hashtag eliminate the need for anybody to send
Speaker 1: it to you? You can just click on the hashtag, right,
Speaker 1: But they're tagging me, they're sending them to me. I
Speaker 1: think he showed great documents how this could be improved,
Speaker 1: and I should. Here was the tweet sent nineteen hours.
Speaker 1: Back in my day, we didn't have hashtags. We just wrote.
Speaker 1: We just wrote on other people's backs. That's a tic
Speaker 1: tac toe symbol. Actually at Tampos, the NFL stop tweeting
Speaker 1: money text to me. I am not in the mood.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a little bit. It had been a
Speaker 1: whole It had been five days of tweets, Instagram messages,
Speaker 1: d I'm getting d ms about my what you guys
Speaker 1: wanted and no offense. They're all really terrible, bad. I
Speaker 1: saw a couple of good ones. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You're you're savvy enough that you literally know that sending
Speaker 1: that out will get more back. I have my notification
Speaker 1: off too. I'm just telling it's constant. All right. Well,
Speaker 1: so I think what I think Wes's idea is a
Speaker 1: good one. But I also kind of like this level
Speaker 1: of rage in you that's bubbling out, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of funny to me. So I don't know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, is it is this your first career? Is
Speaker 1: this your first career rant on the podcast? I don't
Speaker 1: have any ran. This was a rant. They're terrible stop Okay,
Speaker 1: we have literally people being like oh man Mark Susler
Speaker 1: word he go, hashtag money, tag like times like be creative,
Speaker 1: no offense. So you're frustration if I'm getting let me
Speaker 1: see if I got this right. Your frustration isn't so
Speaker 1: much that you're getting a lot of these tags. The
Speaker 1: more of the issue is you're unimpressed with the imagination
Speaker 1: by the content creators in this case. Right, you just
Speaker 1: want people to be better, be better, and also tag
Speaker 1: all the guys too. Let's see how you how you
Speaker 1: like negative on the second part of that. But she's
Speaker 1: not wrong. Oh, you don't want to be tagged in it.
Speaker 1: You don't want to get all those notifications. But I
Speaker 1: think it seems really annoying. You've got a clear channel
Speaker 1: when it's going through one. Right, some of these are
Speaker 1: out of them. Some of these are going around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast, the Dan Hands, this vanity project. That's that's funny.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good, too far off. I wonder why you
Speaker 1: like that one. It's funny. It's funny, all right, Ricky.
Speaker 1: I don't like to see you upset, but I'm actually surprised.
Speaker 1: I kind of bringing up kind of as a joke
Speaker 1: and then you're really really upset about the NFL podcast
Speaker 1: Erica's apartment on fire Ranty Hollywood. It's called a solid
Speaker 1: ranty Thank you, Mark. I mean, I could imagine just
Speaker 1: from I think we all know that you tweet something
Speaker 1: out and it get it billion is it full of
Speaker 1: hard from start to finish. The next time I see that,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like literally set a car on fire. I don't.
Speaker 1: It is just not funny at this point anymore. And
Speaker 1: she started, because you're a big fan of film, you've
Speaker 1: actually gotten into you become a real cinephile, Mark, I'm
Speaker 1: not becoming like I know you, like you know what
Speaker 1: I gotta fill I gotta fill the time with something.
Speaker 1: But it's like that is like eight people every time,
Speaker 1: and it's like blow me up. Is as the Browns
Speaker 1: get better and as Baker's career takes off, like Draft Day,
Speaker 1: I think has more resonance and stay in power than
Speaker 1: we ever imagined. Just sort of how they're now following
Speaker 1: the path that Kevin Costner did. I think, like when
Speaker 1: it's the tenure anniversary in a few years, like that's
Speaker 1: gonna be I mean, it's got that that timeless clip
Speaker 1: with Joe Banner in it, and the three other people
Speaker 1: from the front office that are no longer there. That's
Speaker 1: always been on your radar. Um as as I've said
Speaker 1: many times, Draft I stinks, and the fact that no
Speaker 1: good football movies exist. People are now lifting that up
Speaker 1: as a cult classic. But re watch it. Go watch
Speaker 1: the most scenes with Costner and the capologist Jennifer Garner,
Speaker 1: and tell me if that's a good movie. Let me
Speaker 1: come on. I would I would change my review if
Speaker 1: I could do it again. I regret that that typing
Speaker 1: in that text. I vastly regret it. I love this
Speaker 1: show already. Uh oh, we're bringing it back. We did
Speaker 1: it last summer, and yes, with training camp in full
Speaker 1: swing and players moving making their move into dog houses
Speaker 1: out of doghouses, and maybe they're far away from even
Speaker 1: the idea of the doghouse. Well, you want to hear
Speaker 1: what these conversations are behind closed doors. So how about
Speaker 1: we're flies on the wall, fly on the wall, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna be stationed inside training camps. We're gonna report
Speaker 1: back what we hear in these closed door meetings between
Speaker 1: NFL teams. But before that, oh, also, um our buddy,
Speaker 1: uh Gil Brandt Dallas Cowboys. Great is going into the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame UH this weekend, and we are going
Speaker 1: to talk about that as well. But before we get
Speaker 1: to that, it's time for what we're hearing presented by
Speaker 1: serious exam. Let's do some news. Ricky deep jam came
Speaker 1: detacking Detacking Deecher vox by Jason Zammal. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say that sounded like all out that we do. Why
Speaker 1: did you fall out of the card new deed oh
Speaker 1: geme deep choom. It hasn't been picked up yet, Jason.
Speaker 1: You can tell you put his heart into that. As
Speaker 1: a Cardinals fan, you forget, so it hits a little
Speaker 1: harder when the former first round pick washes out. Let's
Speaker 1: start the news by talking about the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 1: A ten win by the Denver Broncos. And yeah, when
Speaker 1: you when you get out into that one and O
Speaker 1: start UH in the preseason and you're playing the extra game,
Speaker 1: we'll do the math. You're ahead, You're ahead of the
Speaker 1: entire league. And if you win out no, there's no tie,
Speaker 1: you win the preseason super Bowl. So a big win
Speaker 1: by the Broncos. Here Um, there were some things that
Speaker 1: take away from the game. The first past interference challenge,
Speaker 1: which we'll get to in a second, but West, I'll
Speaker 1: start with you. Obviously, you're not gonna see a lot
Speaker 1: of starters. We did not see Joe Flacco, we did
Speaker 1: not see Matt Ryan. But we gotta look at some
Speaker 1: these two rosters. What were some things that stood out
Speaker 1: from you at the Hall of Fame game in Canton?
Speaker 1: I had two takeaways on two different quarterbacks. Kurt Benkert,
Speaker 1: Falcon's third stringer, undrafted free agent in two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: outplayed match. Shop looked like a legitimate backup quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL, has the tools, and to me, the Falcons
Speaker 1: would benefit from having him as their number two. Above Shop.
Speaker 1: It's only one game, so we'll see. And then um
Speaker 1: Locke was terrible. He was what Fongio basically said he was.
Speaker 1: Footwork was awful. Um he has a goofy slingshot delivery
Speaker 1: that I wasn't expecting to see and his accuracy was
Speaker 1: a little off. I mean, again, only one game is
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game. Let's not overreact. But um,
Speaker 1: I would not expect to see much of Drew Lock
Speaker 1: this year. I ply Fongio has come out with some
Speaker 1: of the strongest quarterback comments by any coach in the
Speaker 1: league this summer, and so I really wanted to see
Speaker 1: what Drew Lock would do in response to that, Like,
Speaker 1: was he kind of trying to do the thing where
Speaker 1: you twist in Drew Locks whatever a little bit to
Speaker 1: get him to go play well? And then like he
Speaker 1: what do you want to twist? I don't know, like
Speaker 1: if you were like like one of those little dolls
Speaker 1: with a little do ye nipples there, that's not what
Speaker 1: this is. Fongio's choice. I don't know what he's doing,
Speaker 1: but like, but then after the game, he dropped a
Speaker 1: bomb on him again, and it's just like, what point
Speaker 1: is this? Is it great for a rookie quarterback to
Speaker 1: be demoralized through the press by your head coach over
Speaker 1: and over, except that the assessment is correct from what
Speaker 1: we've seen. So I was hoping for more, but I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised. But I think I'm no. It's a continuing
Speaker 1: theme of zero zero appreciation for the player, even saying
Speaker 1: he's working hard. I don't know what's going on. I
Speaker 1: took nothing from the game, but I come I like
Speaker 1: that we're taking bio experience is gonna be fun. This
Speaker 1: guy's passing kidney stones, he's shooting from the hip. Not yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he's just a defensive coach who looks snacks
Speaker 1: in the hip. And it's just like, man, I would
Speaker 1: love to go against your lot because I would destroy
Speaker 1: that guy. He's a defensive coach, and I think it's
Speaker 1: They brought up some interesting things that he's calling the
Speaker 1: plays as a defensive coordinator, which almost never sees the
Speaker 1: head coach. He's never been on the sideline calling a
Speaker 1: play in his life, so that that's a lot going on,
Speaker 1: and he's I just I'm in on the Vick Fondio experience,
Speaker 1: just being a little different. Can we clarify what Vic
Speaker 1: Pongio said about Drew Lock after the game. He said
Speaker 1: his accuracy wasn't clean all the time, along with his reads.
Speaker 1: Then he looked into the camera with a very um understanding,
Speaker 1: sympathetic look and said, but you know it's to be expected.
Speaker 1: We've got four more games, so it's not I would
Speaker 1: not clear the first one I thought was the first
Speaker 1: round of comments were strong. He said he that he
Speaker 1: started it by saying I was hoping for more, but
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. He just keep it a real yes,
Speaker 1: coddling these guys. Fagio also became the first NFL coach
Speaker 1: ever to throw a flag to challenge a past interference call.
Speaker 1: Late in the first half, Lyndon Stevens called for forty
Speaker 1: three yards penalty. Uh, they go upstairs. After a brief
Speaker 1: halt in action, they upheld the call. Um, So there
Speaker 1: it is. It was an easy one. I I the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game isn't really about football. It's more
Speaker 1: just like, hey, Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth are back
Speaker 1: in our lives, and hey, there's like Ed Reid. Is
Speaker 1: he like the most like likable former, you know, player
Speaker 1: like Hall of Famer that we have. I could listen
Speaker 1: to Ed Reid just like ramble on about whatever all night.
Speaker 1: I like here in ty Law talking about his career.
Speaker 1: It's like that's that's sort of It's just like, look
Speaker 1: at these nice people playing football again. It's like nice wallpaper,
Speaker 1: you you know. But I didn't love the drive by
Speaker 1: of our boy Charlie Casserly. Uh, you know, the second
Speaker 1: quarter interview with Michelle Tooy. I believe that didn't feel necessary,
Speaker 1: but is kind of that's what Ed Reid brings you
Speaker 1: just like totally random like drive by against a former
Speaker 1: analysts he named the Heat. She pointed out an article
Speaker 1: or two. That's how she framed this. This They thought
Speaker 1: when you were drafted that this was an underwhelming pick.
Speaker 1: He remembered the name of the author. He then dropped
Speaker 1: castilely a bomb on him. That was a real bomb.
Speaker 1: West and like, I just like he remembers this guy.
Speaker 1: It's stuck in his mind if you crossed him. Ed Reid,
Speaker 1: I I was lucky enough. This is right after the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl out there of the Ravens one. I got
Speaker 1: sent randomly as part of the Rich Eisen podcast to
Speaker 1: cover the red carpet of the Oscars and Uh Gronk
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the red carpet um UH interviewer guy.
Speaker 1: And it was me and Chris Brockman who works with
Speaker 1: Eyes and Chris Law and we were packed next in
Speaker 1: this foreign press area against the railing, right on the
Speaker 1: red carpet. It's pretty surreal experience. But Gronk kind of
Speaker 1: drop out at the last moment and was replaced by
Speaker 1: Ed Reid. And Ed Reid is a funny guy and
Speaker 1: he is a totally different type of dude, and he
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun. It was really good experience.
Speaker 1: And then right as the ceremony started, because when you're
Speaker 1: Ed Reid, you know people, he was able to slip
Speaker 1: right into the oscars and just hung out backstage for
Speaker 1: the entire show. Uh. It was. It was a great memory.
Speaker 1: I had some photos. Maybe I'll find someone tweet them
Speaker 1: at but that was cool seeing had read going into
Speaker 1: the Hall and we'll get to the Hall more and
Speaker 1: a little bit. That was an ugly game, by the way,
Speaker 1: and it's first game. People get really excited, like football's bags,
Speaker 1: Like that's not football, that's a that is that is
Speaker 1: the game of football being played, but not at any
Speaker 1: level that you would want to introduce people to this
Speaker 1: point at the NFL really, I mean I was trying
Speaker 1: to like explain to Ellis like because she was asking
Speaker 1: my daughter about the preseason and like sort of treating
Speaker 1: it like, Okay, these are real games. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: they don't really count. Like your team, the Rams, They're
Speaker 1: not gonna play any of their good players, just like, well,
Speaker 1: why would you even play them? Then it's asked about
Speaker 1: the like I just find it funny that the game
Speaker 1: actually somewhat still exists that they're actually he's flying two
Speaker 1: teams to play the game. The weekend is and having
Speaker 1: been to cant In a couple times, that weekend is
Speaker 1: the best thing you can do as a football fan.
Speaker 1: The game, though, is it does not seem to fit
Speaker 1: with the with the NFL. I think after the new
Speaker 1: cb A maybe they'll knock the preseason down to about
Speaker 1: three games and maybe that Hall of Fame game has
Speaker 1: some more, has better players in it or something. The
Speaker 1: best one was when it was canceled for I believe
Speaker 1: hail or heavy rain or something because the paint didn't
Speaker 1: try on the field. It resulted in all that. UM
Speaker 1: and by the way, make sure you check out these
Speaker 1: Falcons preseason games. It might be your last chance to
Speaker 1: see a match Shop should be if you're a shop
Speaker 1: fan years old. I'm talking about former Pro Bowl m
Speaker 1: v P match Shop. He's a survivor. I don't know
Speaker 1: how Um. All right, let's move into the news. The
Speaker 1: Jets made a surprise move on UM Thursday, studding. Really
Speaker 1: they bring Ryan Khalil, the former Pro Bowl center of
Speaker 1: the Panthers, out of retirement. Khalil thirty four years old.
Speaker 1: Uh a one year, eight point four million dollar contract,
Speaker 1: which is good money, but the Jets had plenty of it.
Speaker 1: They need. They had a serious needed center, and now
Speaker 1: you have a veteran who, while not quite at his peak,
Speaker 1: Greg is a guy that's still kind of graded out
Speaker 1: middle of the pack on PFF, has been an All
Speaker 1: Pro in his past, he was healthy last season, and
Speaker 1: more importantly, the guy's a legit leader who knows how
Speaker 1: to read defenses everything that Jonathan Harrison, who was supposed
Speaker 1: to be the Jets center uh and Spencer Long last
Speaker 1: year was the worst center in football before Harrison took her.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was an absolute eyesore and there was
Speaker 1: not a bigger indictment of Mike mccagnan than ignoring the
Speaker 1: center position with a young quarterback. It was almost malpractice.
Speaker 1: So the Jets make a surprise move. Shouts to Joe
Speaker 1: Douglas who who saw the need and made an aggressive move.
Speaker 1: This is not a guy you build around, but he
Speaker 1: is a nice band aid and a great spot to
Speaker 1: Sam Donald with three year two yeah, I think, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it is on in New York City. Everything clear saleing
Speaker 1: right now, though Gayson Williams are kind of going at
Speaker 1: each other in practice. Khalil I think makes a bigger
Speaker 1: impact on stuff that will never show up really, you know,
Speaker 1: on on teach helping to teach the guards next to him,
Speaker 1: the game, on helping to make the calls and help
Speaker 1: teach Sam Donald the game to make life easier on
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. So none of that will show up on
Speaker 1: a PF staff. I mean the PF grades actually at
Speaker 1: Jonathan Harrison, the jets uh presumptive starter, higher than Khalil
Speaker 1: a year ago. So Khalil is not in one phase
Speaker 1: of the game. Yea in um Kalil was in the
Speaker 1: red on pass and run. But it's fine, He's fine.
Speaker 1: The point is that that's not what you're bringing him
Speaker 1: in for. I think you could see on all or nothing.
Speaker 1: Although I think he's a quiet leader. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was about as important a leader as anyone the Panthers had.
Speaker 1: It's such a surprise because last year was his hirement tour. Basically,
Speaker 1: like we knew before last season he was retiring and
Speaker 1: he was a free agent, which is why the Panthers
Speaker 1: don't control his rights. He could sign with anyone, but
Speaker 1: he chose to retire. And now, if I'm a Jets fan,
Speaker 1: the first Your first impression of Joe Douglas is great.
Speaker 1: This was his personal passion project. I mean, after years
Speaker 1: of mcagnet ignoring the offensive line what you cannot do
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and it was maddening to see his replacement,
Speaker 1: who played offensive line of college immediately identify it. The
Speaker 1: next thing I want to see the Jets do is
Speaker 1: go after Trent Williams. Why not? You're obviously you can.
Speaker 1: You fancy yourself in that building as a team that
Speaker 1: can make the playoffs this year. Go make another move.
Speaker 1: Maybe when you get one of those Madden codes, you
Speaker 1: can pull that off. I mean, it's not that hard.
Speaker 1: What is Trent Williams gonna cost? Honestly, we don't know, undetermined.
Speaker 1: It's usually surprising in these situations what they what they have,
Speaker 1: probably less than you think. But I like when I
Speaker 1: are different. If you're Jonathan Harrison, here's why you're struggling
Speaker 1: right out of the gate. Here's how you have been
Speaker 1: um brought to earth with the spelling of the name
Speaker 1: Jonathan j O n oh Hang with me here, j
Speaker 1: O n O T T h A N. It's probably
Speaker 1: been issues from the very beginning, trying to decipher that
Speaker 1: amongst you've just been benched. It's like John not fan.
Speaker 1: It's unusual, that's for sure. But I was thrilled about
Speaker 1: his signing. Uh, and I'm starting to get more and
Speaker 1: more excited about the season here before, but I'm getting
Speaker 1: it more and more excited. Moving on the Denver Broncos,
Speaker 1: UH make a move signing running back Theo Riddick who
Speaker 1: had just been released by the Lions and now he
Speaker 1: joins the Broncos. Uh. He can catch the ball, you
Speaker 1: can run the ball a little bit um, but looks
Speaker 1: like he'll He's more depth signing with a little bit
Speaker 1: of upside. What are your thoughts on the signing West? Well,
Speaker 1: running backs aren't really all running backs. They played different positions.
Speaker 1: Theo Riddick plays a different position than Royce Freeman. He
Speaker 1: plays basically wide receiver running back hybrid, same thing James
Speaker 1: White plays for the Patriots, and they needed this on
Speaker 1: their team. So I think the Broncos have a lot
Speaker 1: of question marks. But if Philip Lindsay and Royce Freeman
Speaker 1: are a the same kind of one two they were
Speaker 1: last year, and then if Emmanuel Sanders comes back healthy
Speaker 1: of Courtland Sutton develops like you think you can, he
Speaker 1: think you think he can? No offense what you think
Speaker 1: he is theoretics there, You've got a lot more weapons
Speaker 1: in the passing game than than people think. Well, Rick's
Speaker 1: gotta make the team. I mean to me, it's probably
Speaker 1: a toss up between him and DeVante bucker to And
Speaker 1: the thing, the thing that I that they keep talking
Speaker 1: about in Denver camp is that they really are going
Speaker 1: to give Royce Freeman, who showed up two forty pounds
Speaker 1: and is having a big camp and sort of fits
Speaker 1: in that offense. I really think they are going to
Speaker 1: give him more carries compared to Philip Lindsay, at least
Speaker 1: compared to a year ago, that it'll be closer to
Speaker 1: a a split, and whoever else they have will be
Speaker 1: a distant third behind those two. And that could be
Speaker 1: a pretty good comments second Max because getting to play
Speaker 1: when Lindsay wasn't ready to be in there. But but
Speaker 1: are you is there a push like to give Lindsay
Speaker 1: less touches? It's only easy to say that in August.
Speaker 1: Once the games start, and by October and Philip Lindsay
Speaker 1: is playing circles around everybody, you're gonna give it to
Speaker 1: your best, he's going to get the ball two hundred
Speaker 1: fifty times. I think the idea is that they put
Speaker 1: on pads that Freeman is a really good fit for
Speaker 1: this offense, that he's a second year guy who's a
Speaker 1: third round pick, who was certainly solid as a rookie,
Speaker 1: and that he looks better and that's a good problem.
Speaker 1: That they don't want to give a guy that small.
Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay touches that you kind of have to do that.
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles and Patriot the teams, even the
Speaker 1: Rams now like you have to have two guys buckle up.
Speaker 1: Trey Boston and the Panthers have reunited the twenty seven
Speaker 1: year old safety signs a one year? Is that like
Speaker 1: a subtle like did we need to put this in news?
Speaker 1: So like I wouldn't disagree. I wouldn't disagree. I'm not
Speaker 1: putting the news together. I wouldn't disagree, you know. I
Speaker 1: like West jumped in and sent out a full news
Speaker 1: rundown yesterday, which I really appreciated. Well. I got a
Speaker 1: text from someone associate with the show saying, if we
Speaker 1: have early Friday shows, we should plan out the show
Speaker 1: ahead of time. And it didn't feel like there was
Speaker 1: an outline by the time I was going to best Wes.
Speaker 1: What good did it do you? In the end, I
Speaker 1: got well, I took a pot shot from Dan on
Speaker 1: Trey Boston, which you know what, that's what friends do.
Speaker 1: You know what I would have called a pot shot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Trey Boston, he watched out with the Chargers
Speaker 1: and Cardinals. Hell, he washed out with the Panthers, but
Speaker 1: now he's back. I thought it was interesting based on
Speaker 1: the Dante Jackson factor from UM All or Nothing, where
Speaker 1: Mike Adams and UM captain Munterland were in his face
Speaker 1: quite often, basically telling him he needs to be a
Speaker 1: better player, He needed to stop making excuses for himself,
Speaker 1: he need to stop coasting on his defensive Rookie of
Speaker 1: the Month award and now bring in a different kind
Speaker 1: of leadership. So we'll see what how Trey Boston UM
Speaker 1: relationship with Dante Jackson goes. Good luck to you, Trey.
Speaker 1: Moving on, Melvin Gordon holdout Chargers no end in sight.
Speaker 1: ESPN is Josina Anderson reports Gordon's agent requested a trade
Speaker 1: last week and here's a deal. I mean once ten
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Well, that's what the Charger charges
Speaker 1: on ten million dollars a year. Chargers, you know that's
Speaker 1: what they think he's worth. He thinks he's worth Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley Zike Zike Elliot type money. Well, that's quite an impass.
Speaker 1: So what's gonna happen here? I think this could go
Speaker 1: into the season. I I wrote an article, not a banger,
Speaker 1: an article for Friday, just like ranking like which players
Speaker 1: had the most leverage of all these backs, of all
Speaker 1: these holdouts, and Gordon was has the least leverage just about.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not really counting Jadev and Clowney is
Speaker 1: unsigned because I don't. I think the just think they
Speaker 1: can win without him With Justin Jackson, Austin Ekeler. He's
Speaker 1: in the fifth year of his contract, so that means
Speaker 1: he has to show up eventually. And I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna trade him because I don't think there would
Speaker 1: be a good enough market for him. And this is
Speaker 1: the only hold out that I think is maybe fifty
Speaker 1: fifth or grader to go into the regular season. This
Speaker 1: is one of the most one sided holdouts I've ever seen. Right,
Speaker 1: he and his agent keep releasing these statements and quotes
Speaker 1: and the charge it just pat him on the head
Speaker 1: and say that's nice. Worth four, Fine, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: It's interesting though, like he's friends with Levy on Bell.
Speaker 1: He he believes in like the higher purpose of that
Speaker 1: running but he says the running back for the second
Speaker 1: are the second most valuable position in sports. And then
Speaker 1: I'm not showing up unless he and I just think
Speaker 1: I don't know where the middle ground is because I
Speaker 1: don't think they'll trade him. If someone comes to them
Speaker 1: and says we'll give you, like a bad team says
Speaker 1: we'll give you a second round pick for him. Maybe
Speaker 1: they do it, but I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And you pointed out well in your article, did he
Speaker 1: he if he's taking a page out of the Levy
Speaker 1: on Bell best selling book from last season, that it's
Speaker 1: not the same thing, because you don't you're not moving
Speaker 1: into free agency after this. He's not on his second
Speaker 1: straight franchise, nag. It's totally different and he's not. And
Speaker 1: more importantly, he's not Levian Bell. If he was Levian Bell,
Speaker 1: they would just give him Todd Gurley money. Reality. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine a world? And I like Melvin Gordon with
Speaker 1: the Chargers where like it's they're very offensive. They're all
Speaker 1: an offensive powerhouse today with all these pieces are on
Speaker 1: the field. But let's say Melvin Gordon is not there
Speaker 1: a year from now, and yes, like the depth of
Speaker 1: running back, but Melvin Gordon is a good player. And
Speaker 1: then Philip Rivers walks away, You're suddenly a team based
Speaker 1: around a strong defense and not your offense. If they
Speaker 1: have leverage, if if they think they have leverage, that's
Speaker 1: it is that this is a win now team that
Speaker 1: needs him. But he'll be back at some point. I
Speaker 1: think they they're calling his bluff. April I wrote an
Speaker 1: article on Melvin Gordon quotes and the title of the
Speaker 1: article is Saved the running Back. I'm coming into the
Speaker 1: league to make sure running backs get paid by running
Speaker 1: back so hung up on being the heroes that will
Speaker 1: get all the other running backs paid. It's like their
Speaker 1: version of being the deal the wide receivers or divas
Speaker 1: in their own way. The dB, they're like the podcasters
Speaker 1: of the NFL media group. They're like, we do not
Speaker 1: get paid, are you know like the rest of the
Speaker 1: quote unquote you know talent, Let's let's stand up, Like
Speaker 1: I like i'like them though, they like they have more
Speaker 1: of a backbone than us, though, rage against the dying
Speaker 1: of They don't want to become fullbacks. They don't want
Speaker 1: to become extinct. Now they're like getting towards endangered species status.
Speaker 1: You know, the running backs that are gonna disappear, They
Speaker 1: just not gonna get paid. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: the running game is always gonna be impartant. Well, every
Speaker 1: year they run less and less and and um, there
Speaker 1: are fewer and fewer workhorse backs. There are a fewer
Speaker 1: and fewer backs who are worthy of huge contracts because
Speaker 1: you could just pick anyone undrafted guys late late draft picked,
Speaker 1: throw them in and have a good rushing. Evan Silva's
Speaker 1: gonna officially take out any coach that runs on first
Speaker 1: or second down. So you know things are heading in
Speaker 1: the wrong direction. Uh. Moving on, Yahoo Sports put out
Speaker 1: a piece entitled most Tortured NFL fan Bases, and it
Speaker 1: was sent to me by quite a few people on
Speaker 1: Twitter who like a Dan this guy's you know, biting
Speaker 1: off your bit and yes, when the pain rankings were released,
Speaker 1: that was a fairly unique piece of content in the
Speaker 1: NFL sphere. I wouldn't say this man stole my idea.
Speaker 1: It's it's a fun topic. Anybody can get into it.
Speaker 1: What I do have an issue with is the actual rankings.
Speaker 1: J bust absurd. Let's go through it real quick. Number
Speaker 1: ten the Raiders, nine the Packers and come on down there,
Speaker 1: Brett Farve to Aaron Rodgers, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear this is this is how you get the clicks. Well,
Speaker 1: when you have greater expectations, it hurts even more. Now,
Speaker 1: how about just sucking forever and never having quarterback? That's worse.
Speaker 1: Eight the Vikings seven forty niners, one of the most
Speaker 1: successful franchises in his three of the NFL UH six
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, five the Detroit Lions for the Atlanta Falcons,
Speaker 1: three the Washington Redskins to the New York Jets, and
Speaker 1: the number one most tortured NFL fan base, the New
Speaker 1: York Giants. The New York Giants four times Super Bowl champion,
Speaker 1: one of the most highly regarded NFL franchises in the
Speaker 1: history of professional football. They have the most tortured fan base.
Speaker 1: Come back to us, come back to us. I'm not
Speaker 1: even it doesn't even deserve a comment that the Browns
Speaker 1: aren't in here because they have had won seven win season,
Speaker 1: you know, in the last twenties something years. Okay, but
Speaker 1: is this I need to clarify or know what this
Speaker 1: is about. Is this what's fans that are tortured over
Speaker 1: the last three or four months like days? Is that
Speaker 1: qualify as torture? That's I mean, you've got to best that.
Speaker 1: It's kind of both lived in the moment and then
Speaker 1: it has teams that has none of us read the
Speaker 1: article and uh well, I mean I'm just looking at
Speaker 1: the list. I'm just looking at the list. I did
Speaker 1: read the article. Was there a logic to that, yes,
Speaker 1: it would just based on this offseason or something. No,
Speaker 1: it was. I can't tell you it was based on
Speaker 1: good logic. It's just I mean, I'm I'm not really
Speaker 1: arguing with that. It's an insane It just kind of
Speaker 1: blew my mind to see the Giants. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you grew up in the New York, New Jersey area
Speaker 1: and you think the Giants have a more painful history
Speaker 1: than the Jets, does it bother you that the Browns
Speaker 1: are not on in the top ten of this They
Speaker 1: probably should be. I mean, you know, why because no
Speaker 1: teams is hyped. I mean, who wants to be I mean,
Speaker 1: who's lucked into more Super Bowls than the Giants. They're
Speaker 1: the opposite. They're like, you know, sprinkled with good fortune.
Speaker 1: Here's a nine win team winning a Super Bowl. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, overall, I agree. I don't think the author
Speaker 1: understands what the word tortured means. Go through, go through it,
Speaker 1: and then write the article. Um, all right, let's hit
Speaker 1: some eight o'clock to light Oh Mark, sorry, bro. Phil
Speaker 1: Dawson announced his retirement after twenty years, an inaugural member
Speaker 1: of the Dog Pound when it was revived. Kind of
Speaker 1: hoping he would come back to the Browns, maybe this
Speaker 1: one final season. But the one kick if his will
Speaker 1: never forget, was this insane snow game against the Bills.
Speaker 1: They beat Buffalo eight nothing to move to nine and
Speaker 1: five back in two thousand and seven, and Phil Dawson
Speaker 1: hit this kick in the middle of a blinding snowstorm.
Speaker 1: I love the guy. The most famous blizzard kick of
Speaker 1: that decade, I say. Moving on. Tom Brady th h
Speaker 1: i C C. Patriots quarterback bolt up to two pounds
Speaker 1: this offseason, turning forty two next week. Twenty years in
Speaker 1: the league and that boy Vick Mark Yep, why not
Speaker 1: Baron Winner? But you know, I think it's supervent those injuries.
Speaker 1: A lot of sense of Really Brady has played with
Speaker 1: little stuff that you never even hear about. Uh. Brady
Speaker 1: can make you a lot slower too. I would think
Speaker 1: you want to be nibble. Where are we just told?
Speaker 1: For the best seven years of Tom Brady. He's been
Speaker 1: able to extend his career because he's so limber for
Speaker 1: this with his body seems to have mastered that open
Speaker 1: the brandic scenario. Antonio Callaway consistently been part of the
Speaker 1: second team in training camp for the Browns. According to
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Plane Plane Dealer at a shape West Callaway
Speaker 1: he showed flashes last year, but he's got to get
Speaker 1: it together. This feels like a message being sent. I
Speaker 1: think Richard Higgins has running ahead of him with the
Speaker 1: starters and three wide receiver sets. Antonio Callaway is way
Speaker 1: more talented than Richard Higgins. I expect to see Callaway
Speaker 1: eventually get back in the starting lineup. This doesn't sound good.
Speaker 1: Greg Rossetal. Speaking Thursday, Pete Carroll, Seahawks coach, said that
Speaker 1: first round. That's a been LJ. Collier's ankle spraying is
Speaker 1: quote rare. It's not a garden variety sprain at all.
Speaker 1: It's a huge problem. He was already running with the
Speaker 1: third team. Zigianza hasn't practiced. Jarn Reed is suspended, and
Speaker 1: they have a bunch of guys who have barely produced
Speaker 1: at the NFL level starting up and down their defensive line.
Speaker 1: More bad news for rookies. Jaguars third round linebacker Quincy
Speaker 1: william he's done four to six weeks, has a slight
Speaker 1: tear in his meniscus. This is just killer West. When
Speaker 1: a rookie goes down, it's your boy, Quinnin Williams. Brother,
Speaker 1: what yeah, brother? And he the coaches have said that
Speaker 1: Quincy Williams, we don't want to offend any of you
Speaker 1: wide receivers, but this is the fastest player on the
Speaker 1: field for the jam he was starting, He was their starter.
Speaker 1: He was gonna step in and take over for Telvin Smith. Finally,
Speaker 1: free agent wider super Brandon Marshall working out for the
Speaker 1: Cults up Friday. Last chance to get in the playoffs. Marked.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought the guy wanted to get on television.
Speaker 1: Good job, eight o'clock to light. Do you want to
Speaker 1: finish that point? You really didn't have much more to say.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that was in eight o'clock to light,
Speaker 1: so I was glad to hear the music stopping. It.
Speaker 1: Did a great job by Erica. Brandon Marshall. He has
Speaker 1: never been to the playoffs. The Colts. They're playing in
Speaker 1: January West. If I was trying to get on a
Speaker 1: team and I was Brandon Marshall, the Colts would rank
Speaker 1: near the bottom. Considering they already have They're already gonna
Speaker 1: have tough cuts at wide receiver without Brandon Marshall. One
Speaker 1: of the best interviews we ever had on our podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't know thou bringing in Brandon Marshall is a
Speaker 1: sign that they're maybe not too happy with their No,
Speaker 1: it's not was it the was it the other Brandon Marshalls. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's wide receiver. Brandon Marshall. We had a
Speaker 1: lot of shows, a lot of shows, um before we
Speaker 1: get to fly on the wall. Congratulations in order for
Speaker 1: NFL media colleague Gil Brandt, who will be inducted into
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, and Canton the Pro Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. This Weekend. Gil has been really for a
Speaker 1: decade with NFL Network and NFL dot Com is um,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, one of our lead scouts and kind
Speaker 1: of a senior writer type position. But if you are
Speaker 1: not aware of what Gil was all about before that, um,
Speaker 1: he was a architect of those Dallas Cowboy great teams
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies along with Tom Landry. Um he
Speaker 1: was the guy. He was the guy behind the scenes
Speaker 1: for twenty nine years. He was their personnel guru, working
Speaker 1: with Landry and Tex Shram Uh their GM as the
Speaker 1: organization built itself up from uh Nowheresville. They didn't even
Speaker 1: win a game in their expansion year and they became
Speaker 1: America's team. And that was all Gil Gerald. Jones came
Speaker 1: on board and swept everybody out, including Gil. So consider
Speaker 1: it someone ironic that is Jerry Jones that is inducting
Speaker 1: Gil brand into the Hall of Fame. But you know
Speaker 1: how the Cowboys are West. The Cowboys are a big family.
Speaker 1: They love their guys who are the legendary figures. They
Speaker 1: take care of the So that's kind of a nice
Speaker 1: way to close the book. Uh, not close the book,
Speaker 1: but to put him into canon. Andy thoughts about gil
Speaker 1: as a historian, west Well, I think one of the
Speaker 1: most valuable aspects of learning history is seeing that everything
Speaker 1: isn't a new idea just because it's happening now, so
Speaker 1: that not everything is a revolution that gil Brandt was
Speaker 1: a draft nick uh in nineteen nineteen fifties, when gms
Speaker 1: are still selecting players out of street in Smith magazine
Speaker 1: that he had he and tex Stram developed a huge
Speaker 1: network of informants and they had computerized scouting analytics. In
Speaker 1: the early sixties. Basically, the Cowboys refined the art and
Speaker 1: science of scouting as we know it today. They were
Speaker 1: doing things in the sixties like um the trend towards
Speaker 1: basketball playing tight ends. They were looking for basketball players
Speaker 1: who were tweeners, not tall enough to play forward but
Speaker 1: a little too tall to play guard, and seeing if
Speaker 1: they could turn them into football players. In the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: gil Brandt said, had I wish there was a way
Speaker 1: to stick a needle in a guy's arm and find
Speaker 1: out whether he wants to play football or not. That
Speaker 1: will be the next breakthrough and scouting. And you've seen
Speaker 1: just in the last five years that that that's been.
Speaker 1: I think Daniel Jeremiah has said, you know, twenty years
Speaker 1: ago the off field stuff, the human element was of scouting,
Speaker 1: and now it's seventy percent of scouting. Gil Brandt saw
Speaker 1: that in the nineteen seventies. I thought the piece that
Speaker 1: Andy Fenelon wrote on him shows another side too, and
Speaker 1: that one of the reasons that Jerry Jones is introing
Speaker 1: Gil brand at the Hall of Fame is because it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been unusual for gil Brandt, who worked closely
Speaker 1: with Hollywood Henderson of Cowboys Great when he was going
Speaker 1: through really tough stuff in life too and had so
Speaker 1: many friends um as players, to pick a player to
Speaker 1: intro him. But he had so many close friends and
Speaker 1: it would have annoyed or agitated anyone he didn't pick.
Speaker 1: So Jerry Jones became the guy. But we have known
Speaker 1: Gil Brandt by working here for a decade, and there's
Speaker 1: one thing about him. Every time he sees you, he
Speaker 1: it's not a you know these days everyone's all about themselves.
Speaker 1: He stops, he sits down, he wants to talk. He
Speaker 1: must asked about your family. He'll drop a major NFL
Speaker 1: nugget on you that kind of leaves you devastated. And
Speaker 1: then he'll go on his way. I mean he's gotten,
Speaker 1: he's got no end of the stories. But I just
Speaker 1: think that he's one of these guys that always made
Speaker 1: the personal connection with the player. It wasn't just about
Speaker 1: the football player, it was the person. And that's that
Speaker 1: is increasingly rare with a lot of front office types
Speaker 1: in general. Yeah, the PC Andy rote is uh NFL
Speaker 1: dot com slash Scout's honor vanity you r l And
Speaker 1: I mean he showed some tough love with Hollywood Henderson,
Speaker 1: who is who is a great Cowboys running back who
Speaker 1: ran into the drug and legal problems. And I think
Speaker 1: his relationship with these guys was unique because he found
Speaker 1: them in strange places. That's what the computer kind of did.
Speaker 1: And Gil talked about it with Michelle Defoya during the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game. He found Bob Hayes at Florida
Speaker 1: and m he found Rayfield right at Fort Valley State.
Speaker 1: You found Cliff Harris, watch it, watch it a Baptist,
Speaker 1: uh ed two Tall Jones at Tennessee State. These are
Speaker 1: all these guys that are Pro Bowlers or Hall of
Speaker 1: Famers and other teams were not kind of beating down
Speaker 1: the doors at these really small schools or historically black schools,
Speaker 1: or D two, D three schools, and Gil, who had
Speaker 1: kind of revolutionized the scouting game with that computer, was
Speaker 1: trust in it and and that's where they found these guys.
Speaker 1: And I mean he has seen the NFL from a
Speaker 1: unique manage point about is as much as anyone living.
Speaker 1: And you can always get like a great story from
Speaker 1: him because of that. I mean, he's seen it when
Speaker 1: the NFL was was an afterthought as a professional league.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who's a doctor, and he told
Speaker 1: me once that when you save someone's life, you they
Speaker 1: become like family to you, like kids, because you gave
Speaker 1: them an opportunity to do something, and it makes up
Speaker 1: for the ones you lost. So when they take advantage
Speaker 1: of that opportunity, you're giving them time that they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have had. And in the quote from from Gil where
Speaker 1: he says, as much as Thomas Henderson did wrong, I
Speaker 1: never lost faith in him. I still consider him like
Speaker 1: one of my children because I scouted him, I drafted him,
Speaker 1: I signed him. He was and still is part of
Speaker 1: my family. You gave that guy the opportunity, and when
Speaker 1: you give somebody an opportunity, you want to see them
Speaker 1: make the most out of it. Gil eighty six years
Speaker 1: old now by the way, but still got the motor.
Speaker 1: We see him at every big event. He's always up
Speaker 1: and around, moving around talking to people. Uh he did
Speaker 1: a seven city training camp tour. That's insane. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm marking our early days in NFL dot com. One
Speaker 1: of our jobs would be to talk to Gil as
Speaker 1: he went through hundreds of you know players that he
Speaker 1: was scouting and helping put together the pieces uh Gil
Speaker 1: scouting reports and NFL dot Com. That was one of
Speaker 1: the first jobs we had. Um. So it's it's fun
Speaker 1: to now see that same guy and be able to
Speaker 1: talk to on the phone at his house in Texas
Speaker 1: and now he's in the hall and knew it. And
Speaker 1: to be honest that it's not the easiest process because
Speaker 1: Gil would call you up with a bundle of verbal information,
Speaker 1: so you are typing as fast as you can. And
Speaker 1: Dan and I were we were we were came in
Speaker 1: from other jobs and started the NFL is three day
Speaker 1: a week or is trying we had we were married,
Speaker 1: trying to just get by. So you're working your butt
Speaker 1: off to show that you're better than the clown next
Speaker 1: to you. And the problem with those guil things was
Speaker 1: we got a little too good at them and like us,
Speaker 1: I want Dan, I want that guy mock like that.
Speaker 1: He didn't want it. It's like another one of these
Speaker 1: hour and a half like pro days from East western
Speaker 1: Texas state. Well he also he also this is how
Speaker 1: he submitted it. When he would write some stuff out,
Speaker 1: he would write it in longhand and then facts the longhand.
Speaker 1: That is alright, So Gilbert Brand, congratulations, well deserved. All right,
Speaker 1: so let's move on. Everybody wants to be a fly
Speaker 1: on the wall sometimes, and what we're gonna do is
Speaker 1: turn into not human flies. I remember there was little
Speaker 1: uh disconnect their confusion last year. I want to make
Speaker 1: this abundantly clear. This is not a Jeff Goldblum situation.
Speaker 1: We're not turning into hideous monsters. You're actually going to
Speaker 1: be and you won't have the brain of a fly. Okay.
Speaker 1: I just want you to understand you're the size of
Speaker 1: a customary house fly. Uh. And it gives you access
Speaker 1: that you can then I guess turned back into human
Speaker 1: and then share the info. Are there any questions in
Speaker 1: this room before we go on? Yeah? I have a few,
Speaker 1: but I like, I just I'd love to see someone
Speaker 1: else try first, because I completely missed the assignment. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make you think that the metaphor you don't
Speaker 1: need to think about, like do I have like a
Speaker 1: fly wife? Now? No, I mean, just let's he did.
Speaker 1: It was I'm very afraid how the segment is going
Speaker 1: to go now. I thought it's pretty clear. I think
Speaker 1: going once around the horse, I would like to be
Speaker 1: a fly in the wall in Carolina, in the coaches room,
Speaker 1: in the quarterbacks room, and to hear the conversations that
Speaker 1: are going on between Cam Newton and his coaches and
Speaker 1: between the coaches talking about Cam Newton, because I think
Speaker 1: right now and and yeah, there were cameras there last year,
Speaker 1: and that's that's kind of where I feel like you
Speaker 1: have a little better sense of the way that Cam
Speaker 1: Newton is a leader and the kind of just the
Speaker 1: atmosphere he creates yea with all his chat and all
Speaker 1: his talking, and some of that seems to be gone
Speaker 1: right now, and he seems to be a little down,
Speaker 1: and he has missed three of the first seven practices.
Speaker 1: He is saying he is getting used to a new
Speaker 1: normal that he realizes he may never be a hundred
Speaker 1: percent again, and he's not chirping as much on the
Speaker 1: practice yield. Uh And when he spoke like on Thursday,
Speaker 1: it it raised some alarms for me. Uh if I
Speaker 1: was a Panthers fan just about how mortal and how
Speaker 1: down he felt right now. In fact, I would be
Speaker 1: very interested to be that fly on that wall to see.
Speaker 1: Is is that behind the scenes too? And are the
Speaker 1: coaches thinking, Okay, we're gonna adapt some things to this
Speaker 1: new Cam Newton. That's fair, It's a good question. That's fair.
Speaker 1: You you wonder that, I think Peter King wrote about
Speaker 1: it this week that you know Cam Newton is putting
Speaker 1: away his cape? Is it? Is it? Obviously Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 1: took on a bigger role that offense last year. Is
Speaker 1: that essentially the new normal now? But that team and
Speaker 1: if you watched All or Nothing, that one thing with
Speaker 1: the All or Nothing, Amazon needs to an NFL Films
Speaker 1: needs to get it right with the release date. They
Speaker 1: released it during the draft last year, which got snowed under,
Speaker 1: and then it was a little too close to training
Speaker 1: camps this year, So I don't know if and once
Speaker 1: training camp starts every he turns the page from what
Speaker 1: happens in especially if the team featured had a depressing end.
Speaker 1: You know. So I don't know how many people saw
Speaker 1: all or nothing. I still think it's well worth it.
Speaker 1: I really, I really enjoyed it um and the things
Speaker 1: that I took out of it. It's interesting is they're
Speaker 1: coming up in the show. Ryan Khalil came out, came
Speaker 1: off to me as a great leader and a guy
Speaker 1: that you would want in an offensive Lineman meeting room.
Speaker 1: Cam Newton came off to me as a different dude,
Speaker 1: an eccentric guy, a guy that some people too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he came off well, and I was surprised by,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of he's a little bit out there
Speaker 1: and and but he's so carefree and you see the
Speaker 1: way he operated in practice. If if he's not like
Speaker 1: that now, maybe it's just a matter of time. It's
Speaker 1: still early. It is, it is still early. But the
Speaker 1: the quote that really struck me too was I don't
Speaker 1: want people out there to just think that Cam is back.
Speaker 1: I'm that that etha and I'm not back, and and
Speaker 1: and the reporters saying that it's so much quieter there,
Speaker 1: and he said, it's partly because I don't have Thomas
Speaker 1: Davis or Josh Norman honking at me. So I'm not
Speaker 1: honking at them, but they're just saying it's just been
Speaker 1: a different it's been a different m O and the
Speaker 1: fact that he's not really practicing that much now just
Speaker 1: is worth I think monitoring. We saw that, We've seen
Speaker 1: this with quarterbacks coming off shoulder injuries. Yeah, it feels
Speaker 1: a lot like Andrew Luck last year. Uh, let us
Speaker 1: go to Seattle. Let's let's let's fly on into the
Speaker 1: Seahawks facility. Let's get on Jamie Graham's plane. What's that?
Speaker 1: Remember when Jimmy Graham used to fly to practice on
Speaker 1: his plane. Yeah, he was at best. By the way,
Speaker 1: this is the forty year anniversary of therm events and
Speaker 1: the Yankee Great Catcher's plane crash. I would always be
Speaker 1: spooked if my favorite player friend was flying around in
Speaker 1: a little prop plane. We've lost a lot of athletes
Speaker 1: to musicians. Corey Littel, Harrison Ford has crashed twice and
Speaker 1: lived twice. YEA, let's calm down, Indy, get out of
Speaker 1: the plane. He cat He crashed on a golf course,
Speaker 1: right next to Andrews Siciliano, who was Santa Monica. Santa Monica.
Speaker 1: He just went in an autograph. Anyway, the fly has
Speaker 1: now proceeded to Seahawks. Uh, the Seahawks facility and listen,
Speaker 1: this is great. I mean, if you're if you trust
Speaker 1: the evaluation talents of John Schneider, Pete Carre all the
Speaker 1: people in that building, there's no reason not to. That's
Speaker 1: been a very that's been a highly functional, high functioning
Speaker 1: organization for years. Now. Um, you feel good about the
Speaker 1: positive news around DK Metcalf there, Uh, second round pick
Speaker 1: wide receiver, it's it's glowing. I mean, he was drafted
Speaker 1: sixty four overall. This is a guy who was thought
Speaker 1: to be um a first round pick, but then there
Speaker 1: was some red flags. People got a little worked up
Speaker 1: over his inability to stay on the field, maybe some
Speaker 1: questioning his ability in terms of, you know, his hands.
Speaker 1: So he almost falls out of the second round. The
Speaker 1: Seahawks get him, and all through so far spring and summer,
Speaker 1: we we are hearing raves about Metcalf, who was working
Speaker 1: with the first team, and they it seems like they
Speaker 1: want to install him right off the bat as the
Speaker 1: guy and I just wonder, uh, if behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: if it's as glowing as it is on the outside,
Speaker 1: if they really want this guy to step in and
Speaker 1: immediately be a pro and a playmaker and a guy
Speaker 1: that can give you what you need from a number
Speaker 1: two wide receiver for a contender, which is you know,
Speaker 1: close to a thousand yards. You want a guy that's
Speaker 1: get finding the end zone, that's making an instant impact.
Speaker 1: So Tyler Lockett with Doug Baldwin gone, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: he has to step up and you're gonna need an
Speaker 1: immediate impact from Metcalf. So I'm interested how that's gonna
Speaker 1: play out. You have David Moore there, Geron Brown, you
Speaker 1: can get excited. I guess about some other guys. I
Speaker 1: you know, you guys tell me, but I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot the eggs in the Metcalf basket are vast,
Speaker 1: and you hope it works out. You trust that organization,
Speaker 1: but I'd like to know what's going on by the scenes,
Speaker 1: if they really believe they've found something special here. Deep
Speaker 1: in the second round, there were some bizarre reports whispers
Speaker 1: coming out of that camp that he was starting to
Speaker 1: annoy people by his behavior on the field. He was
Speaker 1: having the wide receivers line up and pose according to height,
Speaker 1: and he was doing other things on the field that
Speaker 1: was like taking away from the concentration on football. It
Speaker 1: was it was a bizarre, bizarre report. It does seem
Speaker 1: like a team that would be content to run the
Speaker 1: ball seventy one times a game, but that's you can't
Speaker 1: just dictate that you're gonna do that. It's a huge question.
Speaker 1: And the four guys you mentioned, I think you know,
Speaker 1: David Moore, John Brown, DK Metcalf behind Locke. It seems
Speaker 1: like that's kind of lot. That is their top four
Speaker 1: um and Metcalf is a huge factor, and I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna they think they're running game is in a
Speaker 1: better shape than it's been in a few years with
Speaker 1: Carson and Rashad Penny. But it's a weird time in
Speaker 1: Seattle because man, this defensive rock I know they can magic,
Speaker 1: but it looks worse than it did a year ago.
Speaker 1: And they're an offense first team now, which is really strange.
Speaker 1: I mean, their offense was better than their defensive year ago,
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna have to be even better
Speaker 1: this year because the defense, I think it's just they
Speaker 1: I don't have the players, so they need guys like
Speaker 1: mccaff It's a weird situation because Russell Wilson is a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame talent who just seems to get better
Speaker 1: every year. Um, so you want him to be throwing
Speaker 1: the ball as much as possible because he's that good.
Speaker 1: But then you have the offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, who
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to love to throw the ball a lot.
Speaker 1: And then you have the skill position players, which maybe
Speaker 1: it makes more sense to have the running game a
Speaker 1: little heavier than so it's they're kind of caught in
Speaker 1: between a little bit. I'm really interesting to see how
Speaker 1: the this offense looks this season, and it's a little
Speaker 1: bit distracting. I think the fly would you know probably
Speaker 1: here this just like how much everyone is just talking
Speaker 1: about the Geno Smith Paxson Lynch competition. It's just like
Speaker 1: everyone can't you know, Okay, let's focus on the starters here.
Speaker 1: You know, that's only the rampant topic. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Gino Smith's agent Greg Rosithal, because if you want to
Speaker 1: land a backup job, go to Seattle where you're definitely
Speaker 1: not gonna play, so you get to keep your body Clean.
Speaker 1: You make three million dollars, You're a winner. You're a winner.
Speaker 1: You could get a ring for Christ's sake. And all
Speaker 1: you have to beat out is one of the worst
Speaker 1: first round picks at quarterback of this decade in Paxton Lynch.
Speaker 1: So I like your odds and I like your spot
Speaker 1: of you know, buying buying that house. All right, the
Speaker 1: fly now moves where it was East Rutherford, New Jersey. Okay,
Speaker 1: flying up there. You ever watch a nature documentary and
Speaker 1: you can't wait for like the waterhole scene, That's where
Speaker 1: all the drama happens. That's where that's where the power
Speaker 1: played dynamics. Well, the the water hole and giants camp
Speaker 1: is filled with kool aid. It's a kool aid hole,
Speaker 1: and I want to see how the animals. I want
Speaker 1: to study the behavior of the animals as they go
Speaker 1: up to the kool aid hole. It's like hot kool aid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the wide receivers. You can see that they're
Speaker 1: like the gazelles. They kind of tiptoe up with twitchy
Speaker 1: ears and nervous eyes. They slowly bend over and take
Speaker 1: a little sip out of the kool aid, and they
Speaker 1: explode supposed they exposed their blindside a little in the
Speaker 1: room at the Giants complex. This is in the room.
Speaker 1: The outside, I guess it applies outside. Okay, did you
Speaker 1: see the wide receivers are like the gazelles and then
Speaker 1: you see this procession. It's like a Depression era baptism
Speaker 1: in backwoods Mississippi. It's just the media slowly wading into
Speaker 1: the waters to get their baptism in the kool aid.
Speaker 1: That's the scene I want to see in training camp.
Speaker 1: The kool aid drinking at Giants camp. Wow. I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew it would be negative. It was just a
Speaker 1: matter of which direction it was going. It's like Gentleman's
Speaker 1: the hippo in there controlling the whole thing. Hippos are
Speaker 1: bad tempers. Hippos are the most danger gets a new swimsuit,
Speaker 1: beach chair watching the whole thing chuckling. That's I have
Speaker 1: to say it. So you just want to see I
Speaker 1: want to see the giants exactly who is drinking the
Speaker 1: kool aid and how are they drinking. The wide receivers
Speaker 1: are just sipping it because they're not sure what's going on.
Speaker 1: They're not sure if this is good for their careers.
Speaker 1: They don't know what's going on, but the media they're
Speaker 1: going in and they're getting baptized in that kool aid.
Speaker 1: I want to see all of that, all right. I
Speaker 1: don't know where else to take that. I still I
Speaker 1: am not completely sure what we're talking about. I want
Speaker 1: to see why everybody buys into Doin, buys into everything
Speaker 1: the Giants say. There's some sort of metaphysics. You do
Speaker 1: understand that they don't want to drink and he wants
Speaker 1: to drink something different exactly. I want to see if
Speaker 1: there's anybody there who refuses to drink the component Jordan
Speaker 1: rain On, the ESPN guy who covers the Giants, he
Speaker 1: seems he'd never seen. He always seems very critical. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a critical component to the New York media of
Speaker 1: this Giants offseason, right. They've been getting slaughtered all offseason,
Speaker 1: the local New York media. They have been killed, not Ralph.
Speaker 1: I know that. I would like to see the descending
Speaker 1: voice forget the media inside the building too, If if, when, when?
Speaker 1: If you're Patch Shermer, do you say, excuse me, I
Speaker 1: want to start the quarterback. I want we don't know,
Speaker 1: We'll find out, all right, close it out marks. All right,
Speaker 1: this little fly is gonna this is a long arm
Speaker 1: all the way down. You know, you know you have
Speaker 1: to take the highways of the roads. You can fly straight,
Speaker 1: but all the way down to Miami, Florida jumping in
Speaker 1: the fish tank. I am jumping in the fish tank.
Speaker 1: And it's no surprise that Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: are they one of the only real quarterback battles out there.
Speaker 1: But this is a team that we thought was unified
Speaker 1: a few months ago with the organic fish tanking of
Speaker 1: blow up the season and do what you can to
Speaker 1: cut costs and get in position to get our quarterback
Speaker 1: in the next draft. Get draft capital, dooever it takes
Speaker 1: to get our Sam Donald are Baker Mayfield. This team
Speaker 1: has not had one for a long time. Let's get
Speaker 1: it done. So you now go out and get Josh Rosen.
Speaker 1: What I'd like to be on that little with that
Speaker 1: fly and you can fly into this little Miami Dolphins compound.
Speaker 1: I think I'd sit on like a cinnamon bun or
Speaker 1: something like a little sweetness under me while I listened
Speaker 1: into this conversation. They're not paying attention to the cinnamon
Speaker 1: bun because there might be some descending voices in this room,
Speaker 1: because you've got Brian flora is the first year coach.
Speaker 1: Who does he want to roll into the season with
Speaker 1: and start and go into this journey with and not
Speaker 1: he doesn't Coaches don't want to be oh and eight
Speaker 1: or one in seven and look like they they're the
Speaker 1: next guy that comes from and comes from New England
Speaker 1: and can't do what Belichick did. You've got Chris Greer
Speaker 1: that might have a completely different game plan on how
Speaker 1: he wants the season to play out, and he has
Speaker 1: got to see Josh Rosen. He can't wait till week seventeen. Oh,
Speaker 1: then we'll give Josh Rosen one start and then we'll
Speaker 1: build our evaluation off of some our outrageous you know,
Speaker 1: sixteen passes against the Bills in week seventeen. You gotta
Speaker 1: see him earlier. You gotta see a real body of
Speaker 1: work when the games matter against teams that aren't beaten
Speaker 1: up late in the year. And what about Steven Ross,
Speaker 1: who might say this is my product. I'm paying all
Speaker 1: this money, and I kind of believe in this plan
Speaker 1: and the tanking, but I don't like me on my
Speaker 1: name being attached to that. He was with Blockbuster, Right,
Speaker 1: Am I wrong? That thing tanked? But maybe it wasn't him.
Speaker 1: But anyways that that wasn't Steven Ross was well, He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it the way the last
Speaker 1: guy did it with Blockbusters, So I'm gonna do business
Speaker 1: my way. The Dolphins aren't going away of that hideous
Speaker 1: video store. So all these different voices, what's the conversation.
Speaker 1: I'd want to fly out of there knowing I know
Speaker 1: next time I hear about quarterback A or B is
Speaker 1: is thriving? Or the coach says this or the GM
Speaker 1: says this. When he has once in a while a
Speaker 1: press conference, what's in their heads? What do they really
Speaker 1: want to accomplish? When we get to florest the show?
Speaker 1: And that's why I would be Ryan Fitzpatrick's show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for a few weeks maybe, but you have to eventually
Speaker 1: see what you have In Josh Rosen, I think you
Speaker 1: have them too soon. I would start him even if
Speaker 1: he lost the quarterback competition. What are the Dolphins trying to?
Speaker 1: What do they need to do this year? I guess
Speaker 1: Flora that though he's they're out there, they're working as hard,
Speaker 1: of course, but they're working as hard as they can
Speaker 1: to go to win games, and they're not gonna if
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick's way better. It just sets a strange message. I
Speaker 1: found it interesting. He's gonna play the best players. Like
Speaker 1: we're out there in NFL Network interviewing Keiko Alonso. It's
Speaker 1: like Kiko Alonso make the team. It wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 1: at all if he gets cut in. Some guys like
Speaker 1: that don't even make Brian Flores's team. He's gonna turn
Speaker 1: this roster over. Do you you have a quick one,
Speaker 1: Greg before we go? I do. Uh. I'd like to
Speaker 1: be a fly on the wall when Matt Patricia and
Speaker 1: Bobby Quinn are talking in Detroit and hearing what they
Speaker 1: really think about Matthew Stafford a couple of geniuses whether
Speaker 1: he is. I wish I had gone with that first
Speaker 1: that though we had to with two around just what
Speaker 1: what they think about Matthew behind his strengths weaknesses, because
Speaker 1: they're gonna evaluate him. Honestly, he hasn't had his starters
Speaker 1: out there really next to him. It's a new offense
Speaker 1: with Darryl Bevil. It's it's a tough situation for Stafford.
Speaker 1: And then but you know that it's got, it's it's blank,
Speaker 1: or get off the pot time. I think, well, you
Speaker 1: heard what Golden Tate said, Matthew Stafford's the best quarterback
Speaker 1: he's played with. Maybe it's that simple. I would that's
Speaker 1: the thing. I was like, I would like to hear
Speaker 1: Patrician Quinn talking about man this guy, if we can
Speaker 1: just get the right pieces around him, he is our guy.
Speaker 1: But I'd be interested. I don't know, so, I really
Speaker 1: don't know. He believes Stafford to be superior to Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: He doesn't interesting. Well, there's a lot going on personally.
Speaker 1: Golden Tate has had a lot of just fairness. He
Speaker 1: hasn't played with Eli Manning yet. He's that that's just beginning. Well,
Speaker 1: so Rustle is about to fall to the bronze medal potentially.
Speaker 1: I mean, Goldy Harvin involved in one of the most
Speaker 1: weirdly almost underreported scandals in Super Bowl history. What a
Speaker 1: great it all we I don't know if we can
Speaker 1: really dig into because it's all kind of hearsay, But
Speaker 1: google it, baby, it's worth of Google might have impacted
Speaker 1: his answer on the quarterback rankings his personal quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: do do we think that there's a chance that Matt
Speaker 1: Stafford's played his last season in Detroit. I mean they
Speaker 1: talked about maybe drafting a quarterback this last right, but
Speaker 1: like that playing for a different team next year. I
Speaker 1: could see it. I think there's a chance, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: not a huge one, but I think there's a chance
Speaker 1: because you could certainly he could certainly be someone that
Speaker 1: you would be attractive in a trade. What a market
Speaker 1: that would be, right, So that's the thing. They're going
Speaker 1: to coldly evaluate it. And if they think it's time,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be on the Patriots, you know, if they
Speaker 1: trade out. Now, I don't think that. You now I'm
Speaker 1: doing the thing. Dan's already scared. You connect the start
Speaker 1: of the Patriots immediately because Tom Brady now he's on
Speaker 1: a yo yo diet. You know, it's just you know
Speaker 1: that is not what he's on. It's gonna go thirteen
Speaker 1: and three. He's his bird day today, Happy birthday, forty
Speaker 1: three years old, right, forty two? Today's birth that's this
Speaker 1: outrageous congratulations Tommy, Yeah, it is today. It is they
Speaker 1: were sitting you know, would be my birthday gift to him.
Speaker 1: It's actually tomorrow, August three. You think you should walk
Speaker 1: away now, just no one to walk away, you know,
Speaker 1: go out high. You know, why are they singing it
Speaker 1: to today? Maybe they don't have practice tomorrow. You can
Speaker 1: they're celebrating right now. Retire a hero or live long
Speaker 1: enough to be a washed up bump. I mean you
Speaker 1: can take a two runs at least. It's a very
Speaker 1: fresh theme from you, Dan, I mean, I'm this is
Speaker 1: one where we find common ground on the Patriots that
Speaker 1: I I would have totally been down with Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and Gronks just going out on top with that title.
Speaker 1: It just that's what you said, like two Super Bowl
Speaker 1: wins ago though, right Like Patriots fans are glad you're
Speaker 1: not getting your way on this front. Tom's children, by
Speaker 1: the way, he end's got a cat a plane, Vivian
Speaker 1: Lake Brady, Benjamin Brady, that's a great name, Ben Brady,
Speaker 1: and John Edward Thomas moynihan. Little nugget on the eve
Speaker 1: of his kid's last name is yeah, that's a middle name.
Speaker 1: I think let's not get into that either way. Worth
Speaker 1: a google easily find a bill on the internet. All right,
Speaker 1: before we go, I'll be out Monday, by the way,
Speaker 1: heading back east doing the weekend thing with the family.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can get Steve weishback in, get step in here.
Speaker 1: He did such a great job last time in your absence.
Speaker 1: He was just sensational. He was now he was. He's
Speaker 1: always great. He's great, he's great. I just like to
Speaker 1: put Dan on that airplane with a little bit of hesitation.
Speaker 1: He certainly will not. Uh, good luck to you. I
Speaker 1: won't be here on Monday, but I'll be back on
Speaker 1: Wednesday before we go um mark, speaking of familiar themes
Speaker 1: of meditation, a little weekend meditation. Here we are once
Speaker 1: again at the end of another busy week, maybe a
Speaker 1: week in which you barely even thought about your own needs.
Speaker 1: So now making yourself comfortable, take a deep breath in,
Speaker 1: and as you breathe out, close your eyes and begin
Speaker 1: to relax. As you continue to breathe, imagine yourself walking
Speaker 1: through a beautiful midnight garden, the stars shining above, the
Speaker 1: moon's light illuminating the soft grass below your feet. As
Speaker 1: you wander the garden, you can smell a scent of
Speaker 1: rose bushes swaying in the night breeze, So peaceful, so
Speaker 1: far away from all your stresses, and at the edge
Speaker 1: of the garden, you reach an elegant patio that peers
Speaker 1: down into a lush valley. In the middle of the
Speaker 1: valley you see a tennis court, and down the court
Speaker 1: a young man dressed in white shorts, white socks, white sneakers,
Speaker 1: a white polo, and a white headband. It is Greg
Speaker 1: frozen Thal, working tirelessly against one of those little robot
Speaker 1: ball machines in the middle of the night. Forehand, backhand, forehand, MHM, backhand, forehand, backhand, forehand, backhand, forehead, backhand, forehand, backhand, forehand,
Speaker 1: back end, forehand, backhand, forehand, backhand, sea crest out a