1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Heart Radio Cale and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Trills a Lot Bryant, and there's 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: Jerry Roland, who's bright plumage is sticking me in the 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: face right now. And this is that was a great part. Uh. 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: And this is Stuff you Should Know about parrots, which 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: is a surprisingly interesting topic. Chuck. Nice one, nice pick. 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: That's good. Just do that, dude, the whole time. We're 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna hammer out like a means of communication, 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: just with that sound throughout this episode. Okay, oh, man'd 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: be kind of great. You already broke character, Chuck, I 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: think to the relief of every single person listening to 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: So you were surprised, huh yeah, I mean, I know 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: parents are knee or whatever, but I and I knew 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: that they were probably one of the smartest animals, or 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: some of them are. Some are just you know, dumb 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: as door knobs, but there are plenty that are really smart. 18 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: They make up for the really dumb ones. Um. But 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: I just I know I didn't know that they were 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: quite this this neat and also one of my new 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: favorite things is like watching little happy birds run like 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: hop around and sing. And there's a lot of parrots 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: that do that. It's like one of their traits, Like 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: they're really cute. Uh kind of animal. I love it. 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: In your mid forties, you're turned onto the joy of 26 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: birds chirping and jumping around. I didn't say I was 27 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: turned on by it, turned onto it. Oh gosh, there's 28 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: a big difference between those two. Uh. Have you ever 29 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: had any experience with parrots or known bird people? Uh? No, 30 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: so tangentially I was um UM's grandma has or had 31 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: a parrot. She passed a year or so ago, but 32 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: her parrot is still alive. Um she had a couple, 33 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: Brutal and Brutus, and Brutal was fine, but Brutus terrorized 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: you me when she was growing up, I mean like 35 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: terrorized her. And they didn't see her for many years. 36 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: And when I was when I visited and met her 37 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: grandma and Brutus, Brutus like at first was just kind 38 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: of like oh hum. And then he you could tell 39 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: the moment he recognized Jumie and he lunged at her. 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: He was like, you, I remember you. After all those years, 41 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: he still just did not like umi for some reason. Yeah. 42 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I've got some parrots and bird stuff that 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: I'll pepper throughout when it's applicable. But you know, bird folks, 44 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a bird person. My experience has 45 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 1: been bird people are just sometimes a little eccentric. Oh yeah. 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: Bird people are definitely a certain type, just like cat 47 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: people are a certain type and dog people are certain types. 48 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people and dog people sure. Yeah, yeah, 49 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that makes bird 50 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: people seem eccentric is there's far fewer of them. But 51 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things I didn't realize it 52 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: could be. That could be also like the extensive stacks 53 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: of paperback fantasy novels that just line their floors throughout 54 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: their house. That too. Yeah. But one of the things 55 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: that I didn't realize is that birds are the fourth 56 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: um fourth most popular pet in the United States, which 57 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: makes sense if you think about it, But I never 58 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: really thought about all mine. Mine just stops after dogs, 59 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: which are number one. Yeah, I mean dogs, cats, what 60 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: is it? Fish? And then birds. I would expect goats 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: to be somewhere on there, but I think people just 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: love seeing goats and not necessarily owning them. Yes, sure, 63 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people who own birds 64 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: come especially parrots, come to feel the same way after 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: they've bought a parrot, as we'll see. Yeah, so should 66 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: we dig into this thing I thought we already had. 67 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of different kinds of parrots. Uh, 68 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: they are, I mean, they're close to four hundred species 69 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: of the order. And I'd look this up in a 70 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: couple of places. Uh, citize for mese. Mm hmm, what 71 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: did you get? Uh, yeah, I thought you were gonna 72 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: say Citi signs, but yeah, that's that's how I would 73 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: have said it, okay. Uh, And we're talking like you know, 74 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: if you think of a parrot, you probably think of like, oh, 75 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: it's a macaw or an African gray. But if you've 76 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: seen a parakeet or a lorikeet, or a cockatiel or cockatoo, 77 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: those are all parrots as well. Yeah, so I love 78 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: birds as well. There's there's a lot of different kinds 79 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: of birds that are parrots, and um, some of them 80 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: just don't even really look like it. You're like, no, 81 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: that's an eagle, or I think that's a kind of vulture. 82 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: Like they're very they're really varied um order um. But 83 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: they all have in common a couple of things that 84 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: will see, one of which is a short beak that's 85 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: curved usually uh, which is very very powerful. And then 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: they also have a certain kind of toe arrangement called 87 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: the zygodactyl toe arrangements talk more about in a little bit, 88 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: but other than that, they are really kind of very 89 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: like I was saying, in size and shape and color um, 90 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: and even down to some kinds of species. They can 91 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: be varied among the male and the female so much so. 92 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: I think there's one, Oh, I can't remember which one 93 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: it was, um, but it was a kind of parrot, 94 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: smallish parrot where the males and the females look so 95 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: totally different color wise that they were thought to be 96 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: different species for a very long time. That's right, that's 97 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: the Solomon Island electus. Thank you, show off, but thank you. 98 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: So you know, like you said, they vary in size. 99 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: There are some that are so big, like uh, the 100 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: Coca poa in New Zealand that can be like a 101 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: seven pounder. Did you see any videos of those guys? 102 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: They're great. They can't even fly there so big, No, 103 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: they don't. They don't even they bound along their wings. 104 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: They don't work for flying, but they use them for 105 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: stability because they mostly climb trees. But they're yeah, they're 106 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: ground dwelling. They look like little furry or feathery mammals 107 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: basically sort of. I don't know why that hasn't been 108 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: a Disney character yet. I don't either, because they also 109 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: seemed to be very sweet. I saw some uh New Zealand, um, 110 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: like I guess researchers who were tracking them, and I 111 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: don't even think they put this one Coca poa under 112 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: when they took a blood sample. It was just laying 113 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: in their lap and I think it was just like 114 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: just basically like yeah, just hanging out, you know, like 115 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: go ahead, just take the blood and let me let 116 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: me go again. So they're super super chill um. But yeah, 117 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: they would make a perfect Disney character for sure. Yeah. 118 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: So those are the big daddies. Um. There are ones 119 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: from New Guinea that are just a few inches, way 120 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: less than an ounce. I think the highest Innthe macaw 121 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: is generally the biggest just in size. Uh. They can 122 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: be three and a half feet long. Um, they can 123 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: have four with wingspans and I think the kind of 124 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: trademark characteristic when you think of parrots though, or the 125 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: vibrant colors. Um, you know, some are like the gray 126 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: African gray is mainly just gray that has a little 127 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: bit of red. But when you think of parrots, you 128 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: think of those really brightly colored blues and greens and 129 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: reds and little rosy cheeks and stuff like that. Yeah, which, 130 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: and I mean they're obviously the reason why parrots have 131 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: very bright colors is to attract mates. Like that's basically 132 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: the reason for anything to have a bright color, unless 133 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: it's showing that it's poisonous. And as far as we've 134 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: ever found, parrots are not poisonous. But one of the specialties, 135 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: do you think, right, dead by dawn? One of the 136 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: specialties of the pigments in parrots. It's apparently not found 137 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: in other birds. The chuck is that those pigments have 138 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: antibacterial properties, which I guess keep them from getting like 139 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: wing rot or something like that. Yeah, there's um, there's 140 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: so I think it's called citico boy, here we go. 141 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: Citico Fulvin's are those pigments, and they're found only in 142 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: parts There aren't even any other birds to have these. Yeah, 143 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: But I mean other birds have colors, but they don't 144 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: have that specific kind of anti bacterial agent color pigment, right, 145 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: that's right. And you mentioned the toes. That is a 146 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: um you know, along with I think like owls and woodpeckers, 147 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: and I think there are some other birds that hive 148 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: these zygodactyl feet. But that means they have the usual 149 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: four toes, but most birds have three in one arrangement, 150 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: like three up front, one in the back. In this case, 151 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: they have two upfront, two in the back. So Juliet 152 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: helped us put this together, and she basically points out 153 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: that like this means they have two sets of opposable thumbs. 154 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: So that's why they're really good climbers, and they can 155 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: hold on to a branch like it's you know, until 156 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: the sun comes up dead by down style exactly. And 157 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: if you've ever seen a parrot work a nut or 158 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: seed or something with the combination of the beak in 159 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: those four toes, it's pretty pretty dexterrous. Yeah. That's also 160 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: again how those coca posts can climb trees without any 161 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: ability to fly. They I mean, they can maneuver, they 162 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: can hang and believe there's an upside down hanging type 163 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: of parrot, which I'm not sure why it hangs upside down, 164 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: maybe just to show off that it has zygodactyl toes. 165 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: But they can do a lot with those things. And yeah, 166 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: in combination with their beak there, they're really working it. 167 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: Apparently their beak as well. Um, that sharp, short curved 168 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: beak that that all parrots have is extremely powerful. Um. 169 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: They move independently of one another lower beak in the 170 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: upper beak, so it can exert a lot of force. Um. 171 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: And and that really helps out because a lot of 172 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: their food are like really hard nuts and seeds and 173 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: things like that, but they they're nothing in the face 174 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: of a parrots beak. Yeah, it's if you've ever been 175 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: chopped down on by a parrot, it's rough. Yeah, they'll 176 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: take a chunk of skin out. Yeah, they were. When 177 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: I worked in Arizona, that restaurant in Yuma, Julianna's Patio Cafe. 178 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: It was an outdoor cafe and they had the owner, Julia, 179 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: had parrots and I think they were like five of them, 180 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: just kind of behind where you eat on these stands, 181 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: not even caged. And they were mean, the snakes, not 182 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: to her they were, but if you were not her 183 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: and you went up and you were like, oh, let 184 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: me give you a little ear scratch. One of those 185 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: things could just fly its little head around and chop 186 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: down on your finger and it feels like it's in 187 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: a vice. Yeah, well you're lucky. They could have taken 188 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: your finger clean off. Probably there's there's anecdotal stories that, um, 189 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: that we are not able to verify. But this, it's 190 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: definitely worth mentioning that a large parrot could snap a 191 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: broomstick with its beak, which is, if you read it, 192 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: it's really impressive. When you say it out loud, you 193 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: feel very foolish a little bit. I mean, sure, I 194 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: guess it depends on the broom but it's it's really old, rotted, 195 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: termite rotted broomstick. Yeah, let's just say it's really really 196 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: a lot of force. Um, and my finger can vouch 197 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: for that. Was that some of the peppering you alluded 198 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: to earlier, that's one one kind of pepper, one grain 199 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: of pepper. Got I had a bird that'll come up later. 200 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: I can't wait for that one. Um. So Chuckie, you're 201 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: saying that, like, um, they wouldn't bite Julia Julianna Julianna 202 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: Julia because she was part of their flock. As we'll 203 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: see um. And it turns out that there are some 204 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: parrots get along with other species of parrots and even 205 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: other species of birds and other kinds don't so much 206 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: so that when you read like a parrot owner's guide, 207 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: they're basically like, if you're gonna get you know, other 208 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: birds do not get this kind with this kind. And ironically, 209 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: love birds are famously mean to other species of birds. 210 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: But if you're in their flock, then you're you're one 211 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: of them. And that's one thing that one reason why 212 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: parrots make such great pets for so many people is 213 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: because they imprint with humans really well, and are you're 214 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: just a member of their family and they're a member 215 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: of your family. That's just the way it is to 216 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: the parrot. If you're an outsider interloper, yeah, they'll take 217 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: your finger off like it's an old broomstick. So Yumi 218 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: was never ingratiated herself, I I guess not, which just 219 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: surprising because everybody likes you, you know, I know, like 220 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: animals flocked to her like snow white. Basically, yeah, she's 221 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: always she's got this lamb following around. Now. I don't 222 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: know where that thing came from. It is cute, it 223 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: is the lambing is coming soon, unfortunately for the boy. 224 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: Uh well, let's take a little break there then and 225 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: we'll come back and talk a little bit about Uh, 226 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: parrots in the wild. Want to learn about astortic how 227 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: to take the perfect, but all about fractal get Kiscon's 228 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: hunt the Lizzie Border murders. That they kind of all 229 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: runs on the plane every day. We should know. Word up, Jerry. Okay, 230 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: So Chuck, we were talking. We're going to talk about 231 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: parrots in the wild UM, which is where they used 232 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: to be um more often than not, and still are. 233 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: Like there's something like three hundred and about three hundred 234 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: and sixty known species of parrots UM. But a lot 235 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: of them are dying off really quick, as we'll talk about. 236 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: But the thing about parrots were learning is that they're 237 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: really resilient, Like they can adapt and find homes and 238 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: make homes for themselves in new climates. So you'll find 239 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: them typically in their preferred area around the tropics, around 240 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: the equator, typically in the southern hemisphere, but you're also 241 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: going to find them like living up in mountain ranges, 242 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: high up on rocky outcrops. Um. You'll find them in 243 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: Chicago's Hyde Park. There's a bunch of Connecticut. They're kind 244 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: of all over the place. Even though no native species 245 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: UM from the United States are are still around, there's 246 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: still plenty of like wild feral parrots that live out 247 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: in the US. Yeah. When I was in Australia, UM, 248 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: we had a couple of down days and you know, 249 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: my buddy Scotty, our friend Scotty, came over to join us, 250 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: and um we Scotty and I went down to wine 251 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: country south of south of Melbourne, which is just some 252 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: of those beautiful land I've ever seen in my life. 253 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: And we were at a wine winery overlooking this huge 254 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: vineyard and then like the sort of woodland jungle, and 255 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: I saw these huge white birds flying around down there, 256 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: and we were the only people there. We were there 257 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: in the off season, so everywhere we went, we were 258 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: the only two people kind of tasting. And so we got, 259 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, to hang out with the the winemakers, which 260 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: is cool, and they said, uh, there was a cockatoose 261 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, I was just a naive American. 262 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know they just flew around Australia like that. 263 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: And I said, just so you know those like they 264 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: sell those in stores for a lot of money in 265 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: the United States, And I said, it's just crazy to 266 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: me that they're just flying around. Yeah, apparently there was 267 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: a time not terribly long ago where you could see 268 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: beautiful green cockatoos um or parakeets i'm sorry, flying around 269 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: the United States until we drove them to extinction about 270 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: a hundred or so years ago. Yeah, the Carolina went 271 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: in there, a North Carolina parakeet, the Carolina parakeet. Yep. 272 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: It was just this gorgeous, green, beautiful parakeet that was 273 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: native to the United States. Um and I saw some things. So, 274 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: you know. Passenger pigeons were also famously um uh, driven 275 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: to extinction. The last Carolina parakeet died in the same 276 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: cage that the last passenger pigeon, Martha died in at 277 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Zoo. So the Cincinnati Zoo had the honor 278 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: of keeping captive the last passenger pigeon and the last 279 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: Carolina parakeet and killing them. Right, They had this one 280 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: zookeeper who was in charge of strangling the last one 281 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: just to give it over with because they couldn't couldn't 282 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: stand the tin in any longer. You know, They're like, 283 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: just get it over with. Oh, I've got a joke 284 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: that is, so I'm not going to tell because I 285 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: would upset bird lovers, So tell me later. I'll tell 286 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: you later. Uh So, these parents, they mainly stay up 287 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: in the trees. Obviously, they do come down if they 288 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: were going to drink something and sometimes if they need 289 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: to find something to eat if they can't get it 290 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: up there, And they generally do this kind of follow 291 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: the humans patterns of kind of hanging out and doing 292 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: the stuff during the day and sleeping at night unless 293 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: you're a coca peo or a night parrot, and they 294 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: are nocturnal, which is um. I think they're the only 295 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: two of the species. What's neat about those coca posts? 296 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: Who is um? They be from being nocturnal, the eyes 297 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: have migrated from the sides of their heads towards the 298 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: front of their face, and they've developed this kind of 299 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: puffy feathers around their eyes. So they're also known as 300 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: the owl parrot because they've started to kind of resemble 301 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: the owl, and the owl is typically nocturnal as well. 302 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: Are you going to get a Coca peo. I think 303 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: I might. Actually, there's only a hundred and fifty left me. 304 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: I could probably be arrested, but at the very least, 305 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to give it a shot. You know. So 306 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: they are omnivores and they will generally eat seeds and 307 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: nuts and plants and fruits and things and insects. But 308 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: if they need to eat, you know, a parrot's gonna 309 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: do what a parent's gonna do. This is crazy, and 310 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: this is you know, this can cause problems. I think 311 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: the African gray can feast on corn, which has caused 312 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: problems with corn crops in New Zealand. This is the 313 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: crazy part. Uh. In the kind of mid eighteen hundreds 314 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: in New Zealand, keys k e a s We're discovered 315 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: to be and this is sort of horrifying. Eating sheep 316 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: and attacking sheep in the middle of the night. Yes, well, 317 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: I guess it was in the middle of the night 318 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: because they're not they're not nocturnal. But in my mind, 319 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: it's a horror movie and it happens in the middle 320 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: of the night to me the most, the like the 321 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: middle of the day makes things even more horrific. Things 322 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: aren't bad. Things aren't supposed to happen in the middle 323 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: of You're supposed to happen at night in the woods, 324 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, good point, not not in the middle of 325 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: a field in the day. So seeing some parrots attack 326 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: and eat a sheep in the middle of the day, 327 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 1: that's bad news. But those things, actually they look a 328 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: lot like eagles more so than parrots to me. So 329 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: you give them a pass. Yeah, that's fine. What I'd 330 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: like to see. I'd like to see them all try 331 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: to carry off a sheep together with teamwork, you know, 332 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: But I don't think that's how it goes. Well, there's 333 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: your cartoon that's like a ziggy cartoon. I think they 334 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: I think they put parrot repellent on because you know, 335 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: they back in the day, they would just kill them 336 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: all and let God sort of ount. That's what happened 337 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: to the Carolina parrot key. Yeah exactly. But they, you know, 338 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: eventually they were like, we can't just kill these keys, 339 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: Like we're a more evolved you know, humankind at this point, 340 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: and we got to stop this stuff. We gotta protect them. 341 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: So they've looked for ways to to keep from having 342 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: to do that, and one of them is that parrot 343 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: repellent on the cheep's bellies, which it's probably like that 344 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: stuff you tried to use on your fingernails to keep 345 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: from biting them. I used to coat my fingers in that. 346 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: But you just slather in a sheep's belly and call 347 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: it a day. Yeah, it's very better. One thing I 348 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: did want to add though, when you were talking about 349 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: their range and they can end up in weird places. 350 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: I remember when we would do commercial shoots in Pasadena, California, 351 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: and we would have the Unlucky Parrot Location, which is 352 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: basically anywhere in Pasadena. On any given day, you could 353 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: be near a bunch of parrots making a ton of 354 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: noise and you can't shoot, You know how it is 355 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: with sounds like you can't you can't pay the guy 356 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: to turn off his blower or his lawnmower. Yeah, but 357 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: you can't. Yeah, I want two and free reign at 358 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: the craft services table. But yeah, those uh, those Pasadena parrots, 359 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: they have disrupted many film shoot so um. Yeah. So 360 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: you're like, well, wait a minute, there's not native parrots 361 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: in the United States. How are there a bunch of 362 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: parrots in the trees in Pasadena? Well, people let their 363 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: parents go, or people die in their parrots escape or 364 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: what have you. Um And like I was saying before, 365 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: it's like they're really resilient. And once they start forming 366 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: breeding pairs, even though they have like a really low 367 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: reproduction rate. Um as we'll see in a second, they 368 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: they can they can survive. They can make new niches 369 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: for themselves, which is pretty cool. But they're all there's 370 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot in Florida, Texas, and California. I think 371 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: every kind of species that has a population is supported 372 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: in all three of those states. Right in the Connecticut 373 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: one is just a that's a very weird thing. Yeah. 374 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: In Chicago's Hyde Park too, it's like the roof caves 375 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: in on people's houses in the winter in Chicago. There's 376 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: so much snow and it's so cold, Like, how are 377 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: parrots surviving? But apparently they do. It's crazy, so they 378 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: live And this is this is pretty great. This is 379 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: where stuff you should know things intersect or love of uh, 380 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: collections and groupings of animals, sounds of assemblage. Yeah, pandemonium 381 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: of parrots is what it's called. For good reason, like 382 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: I said, because they are super noisy and can be 383 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: aggravating in large numbers. When they're out in the wild 384 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: and they live together, they help each other out, they 385 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: feed with each other, they look out for each other, 386 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: they keep track of each other, and they communicate with 387 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: each other. All those squawks and screams that you hear 388 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: when a bunch of when a pandemonium is gathered, is 389 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: them talking to each other. And they might be saying, 390 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, film crew, or they might be saying snake 391 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: or monkey like look out. Yeah. I also have the impression, 392 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: from spending hours and hours of watching beautiful parrots of 393 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: all types seeing and be happy um that that they're 394 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: just basically sharing how they're feeling at any given points 395 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: sometimes too, and that a lot of times it's real positive. 396 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: You know, they're talking about how great things are beautiful 397 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: the day is. I could be anthropomorphizing, but it really 398 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: really seems that way. They just seem like kind of 399 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: a happy, happy type of animal. I'm like, I want 400 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: to buy into that too. I'm with you. Just go ahead. 401 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: It's like, prove me wrong. I'll give you ten years, 402 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: and in those in the ten year span, I'll enjoy 403 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: these parrots for what I think they're doing. I agree. 404 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we all laughed at you early on, and 405 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: now she's got that lamb following her around, right like 406 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: miracles can happen. We have to get some of that 407 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: um that nail biting stuff to slather on the lamb's 408 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: belly in case it runs into some keys. Uh. So 409 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: they mate and they have little babies. They are generally monogamous, 410 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: and males and females work together to raise the kid 411 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: and to care for the little baby. From the moment 412 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: that it's an egg, they will sit on it for 413 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty days and even take turns. I think 414 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: the mom usually does most of the sitting while the 415 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: male goes out and get some food. But the male 416 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: can also be like, why don't you why don't you 417 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: stretch your leg, you stretch your toes? Yeah exactly, so 418 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: um yeah, But for the most part, the male gets 419 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: the food or something like that. But the um lovebirds 420 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: also are like famously monogamous, and they so much so 421 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: that when they're separated, when a breeding pair of separated, 422 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: when they're brought back together, um all, first of all, 423 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: they'll start to like lose energy and get real depressed 424 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: and sad. And then when they're brought back together. They 425 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: reform their bond by feeding one another with their beak. 426 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: It's very cute, isn't That's sweet? Um? Yeah, I kind 427 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: of have have a thing for love birds now. They're 428 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: just super cute and pretty and so you know what, 429 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, what birds are not monogamous, which one's casual 430 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: sex birds raw lowbirds. Yeah, but good for them, you know. 431 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: So sure they're just out there doing their thing, not 432 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: hurting anybody, as long as they're upfront about what they're 433 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: in there for. You know, Rob Blow, is this from 434 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: his sex scandal from like years ago. No, I just 435 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: think of Rob Blow is like being difficult to pin 436 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: down and you know, love and life, having having a 437 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: good time, just doing his thing. That's what I think. 438 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: He's really worked to change that image over the past 439 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: three decades. He really has not with me, but I 440 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: recognize what he's been trying to do. Okay, famous lothario 441 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: Rob Blow. Oh well, I also dated myself because I 442 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: would say a good third of our listeners are like, 443 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: who's this Rob Low guy. It's like, oh yeah, that's right, 444 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: he was, so they might know them. I was gonna say, 445 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: it's like Mad magazine making fun of Spiro Agnew when 446 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: we were little, and we're like, who who is the 447 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: Spiro Agnew? Right? To us, Rob Low is the sax 448 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: player from st Almost Fire who made a sex tape 449 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: to them. He's the happy dad and uh Parks and 450 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: wreck guy. I also think of him as literally dude 451 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: from um west Wing. I don't remember what his character's 452 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: name was, No need to email, I can look it 453 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: up myself. I never saw that show. Oh you didn't. 454 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: It's good. I think you'd like it, all right. Even 455 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: if you don't like Aaron Sorkin, you'd like west Wing. 456 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: He's a little wordy for me, Yeah, sure, yeah, a little, 457 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: a little over the top every single second of every 458 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: single show. But west Wing was his. It was. It 459 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: just worked perfectly for him. Yeah. I don't want to 460 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: knock Aaron Sorkin. I'll just say he has a fondness 461 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: for typing. But so there was this one, this one, 462 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: this one Rob Low sketch on Sara Live. I know 463 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: we've talked about before, but remember when Aaron Sorkin was 464 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: busted with mushrooms in the airport. No, so this that 465 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: news came out on a week when Roblow was hosting 466 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: Sara Live. So they did one of those famous like 467 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: walk and talk shots from West Wing and in the background, 468 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: suddenly suddenly it converts from like the West Wing that 469 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: they're walking through and now they're being chased in a 470 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: black and white movie by a giant like iguana. And 471 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: so they they're still walking talking about, you know, the 472 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: administration of the president, but they're also kind of jogging 473 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: running away looking behind them at this giant iguana has 474 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: really really great stuff. So how many breaks have we taken? Charles? 475 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: Just one? Do you want to take another one? Or 476 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: keep going a little more? I think maybe let's wait 477 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: one minute. Let's talk about their uh intelligent and altruism, 478 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: and I think that's those are two lovely topics. Well, 479 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: before we do that, I've got one more thing about mating. 480 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: So um they actually when they reproduce, they'll they'll lay 481 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: between like two and eight eggs at a time, and 482 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: their incubation period can be really fast, like eighteen days 483 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: thirty days. But they also usually only have a couple 484 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: of um chicks survive, and they spend a lot of 485 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: time and energy raising their young almost to a humanlike degree, 486 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: not not for eighteen years, but for up to like 487 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: four years. In some cases, the offspring, the chicks will 488 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: you know, grow up with the parents. Um, so they 489 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: actually have a very low reproductive rate. So it's a 490 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: big problem when humans come along and you know, kill 491 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: off pair of populations because they're slow to recover. They're 492 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: slow to reproduce. So just put that that little pin 493 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: in your hat and smoke it. I just can't get 494 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: that one right these days. So parents are super smart, 495 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: like we talked about. And there are a couple of 496 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: really great examples of how and how they display this. 497 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: And one is is they can use tools like they 498 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: have seen parrots use sticks to like scratch their heads 499 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Uh, this one is amazing. They 500 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: found that cockatoos have been observed using sticks to drum 501 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: on logs as part of a courtship sort of mating ritual. 502 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: Because nothing women love more than a drum solo. You know, 503 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: I know it really just every woman alive thinks of 504 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: drum solo is the greatest musical thing you can do. 505 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: That's usually when I go to the bathroom to Yeah, 506 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's a hats off, but yeah, it's just 507 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: kind of whatever that don't happen much anymore. No, you 508 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: don't see those, but um, the one that knocked my 509 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: socks off, chuck was Um, there's at least oh the 510 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: greater vassa parrot. They will use little pebbles or whatever 511 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: to grind up seashells, and the male does this, and 512 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: the male will eat the seashell and re urgitated into 513 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: like this vomity calcium rich paste as an offering to 514 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: pair of female he's trying to make with, which sounds 515 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: gross and weird until you realize that other birds eat 516 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: calcium rich shells or chew on them or whatever to 517 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: to strengthen the shells of their own eggs. But parrots 518 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: are the only known birds to actually use tools to 519 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: grind the shells up to make them easier to digest. 520 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: And the males offering it to the woman is a 521 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: like a basically like, hey, look at how well I'm 522 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: taking care of you and our kid. I'm regurgitating seashells 523 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: for you that I'm grinding up. That's astounding tool used. 524 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: Like you just do not see that elsewhere except in 525 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: like maybe primates here there. Well, I mean, if you 526 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: want to talk about cool, their altruism is something that 527 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: you don't see much in the animal kingdom at all. 528 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: Um very few non human species show this trait, and 529 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: no birds before just a couple of years ago. We're 530 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: even on this list. They even tested crows out because 531 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: they're super smart, I think in and they gave them 532 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: an altruism tests and they're like, nope, you guys failed 533 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: the test. But they did this. And this was from 534 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: just January of last year in current biology, ironically, like 535 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: just a couple of months before the coronavirus hid. They're like, 536 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: they don't have anything to talk about this month exactly, 537 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: they're doing some important work. And they did this um 538 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: exercise where they got these birds together, these parrots, and 539 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: that they put them in pairs and they basically put 540 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: a wall between them with a hole, and they were separated, 541 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: and one of them had a token and one of 542 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: them had that you would trade for food, but one 543 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: of them didn't. One of them had the food and 544 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: one of them had the token. So these birds literally 545 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: figured out how to work together to exchange like here, 546 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: you take this token because you've got the food, feed yourself. 547 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: But remember me, if the roles are ever reversed, right, 548 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: which is a totally different thing. It's a reciprocity. So 549 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: these these mccaus showed that there was it. The African 550 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: gray is the one that passed. Yeah, and they're typically 551 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: known as like possibly the smartest birds of all time. 552 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: But um, the like in addition to like, here you go, 553 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: have this, have the like, take this token and get 554 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: yourself some food even though I'm not getting anything back. 555 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: When the when the roles were reversed, the birds would 556 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: do the same thing, so they would get their turn 557 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: basically later on. And so yeah, you have altruism and 558 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: reciprocity tool use. Um. They're also very famous for mimicry too, 559 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: which a lot of birds can mimic sounds. I saw 560 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: a video of a minor bird um in the wild, 561 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 1: I guess being filmed with a camera as well as 562 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: a video camera, because it made an exact sound of 563 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: a digital camera taking a picture. It was astounding. It 564 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: sounded like they dubbed the sound of a camera over 565 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: this bird. I wonder about that on some of these videos. 566 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: This is I mean, I hope, but it was legit. 567 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean it was. It looked like a legit wildlife 568 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: video or a clip from one. But a lot of 569 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: birds can do that. But the thing is other birds 570 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: can't do. What parrots can do is like their mimicry 571 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: is at a whole different level compared to other birds. 572 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: And they're basically the only bird we know of that 573 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: can mimic a human voice. I think that's a great 574 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: place for a cliffhanger, right, sure, all right, we'll come 575 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: back and we'll talk more about mimicry right after this. 576 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: I want to learn about a terrestortic college act how 577 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: to take the bird. But but all about fractals getting 578 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: Kiscon's hunt, the Lizzie Border murders, that they kind of 579 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: all runs on the plane every day. We should know. 580 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: Word up, Jerry. All right, so we're back and we're 581 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: talking about birds vocalizing and mimicking things. Uh, they have 582 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: voices that vary by region, which is really neat. They 583 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: have different dialects basically, and if a parent moves to 584 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: a new area where they have a different kind of dialect, 585 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: they will adjust, you know what Julia refers to as 586 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: their accents to fit in, which is really really amazing. Yeah, 587 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: it is amazing and apparent. I was reading up on 588 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: a study about that chuck and they found that a 589 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: bird that lives, like, these dialects will be kind of regional, 590 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 1: but some regions butt up against one another. So if 591 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: you're in a nest that um is adjacent to two regions, 592 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: they'll kind of use it. They'll go back and forth. 593 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: And they found like the differences in the basic structure 594 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: of the calls are different enough that that they're dialectical. 595 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: But then within these nests there's different variations, slighter variations 596 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: within the dialects, so like they're they're communicating into some 597 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: really astounding degrees. And like I was saying that, you know, 598 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: parrots in particular the only one smart enough to mimic humans. 599 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: And one of the reason is that they do this 600 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: is they're able to manipulate their tongue, which is one 601 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: of the things that we do to produce speech. So 602 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: they're not just they're not just mimicking a sound like, 603 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: they're actually forming words very similarly to how humans do. UM. 604 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: They are also capable of hitting like pitches, lower pitches 605 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: that are more in step with how human the human 606 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: voice sounds, so it sounds more like human that they're mimicking. 607 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: But then also they seem to have an additional layer 608 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: um in their brain and the region of their brain 609 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: that they used to to mimic um that other animals 610 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: don't have that other birds don't have, which implies that 611 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: they're just smart enough to do this too. Yeah. So 612 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: I had a cockateal. Oh some pepper. Everybody had a 613 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: cockateal when I was a kid. I was like, I mean, 614 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: I feel like we had this bird for a few years, 615 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: but I was definitely in the you know, ten eleven 616 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: twelve year old range, and our little gray cockateal was 617 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: named Dolly, and I, you know, knew that you could 618 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: teach cockatiels to say things. So I was, my brother 619 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: and I were all over this. You know, no one 620 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: else in the family really cared. But we got a 621 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: record to teach us how to do this. And it 622 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: involves tons and tons of repetition. You can't just go 623 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: up to a bird and teach it to say something 624 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: a couple of times and they'll do It. Requires a 625 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: lot of repetition, and so we taught. By the end, 626 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: Dolly could say hello and hello Dolly, and Dolly could 627 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: do the wolf whistle like uh oh yeah, like when 628 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: someone walked in the room, uh I. Dolly learned to 629 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: do the charge in it. And and then the one 630 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: I was most proud of is I taught Dolly to 631 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: do the co co co co like a jungle bird. 632 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: And it was my favorite thing that Dolly could do. 633 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: So Dolly would sit on my shoulder and like kind 634 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: of nibble up my ear lobes and watch TV and 635 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: stuff and peck at my hair and that was sort 636 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: of the ex tent of it. It was a tremendous mess. 637 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: Uh And you know, we're I guess we can go 638 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: and talk about that. If you have a a bird, 639 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: it's it's feathers and poop and seeds everywhere. Yeah. Well, 640 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: because when you have a parrot, you're supposed to give 641 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: it a lot of time outside of the cage, which 642 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: we'll we'll talk a little more extensively about that. But yes, 643 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: they're a big mass for sure. But Dolly learning to 644 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: talk was one of the coolest things I did as 645 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: a kid. And people love to hear parrots say things. 646 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: They if you go and type parrot into YouTube. The 647 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: third thing that comes down is the next offering is 648 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: parrots cursing, because it's just funny. People want to see 649 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: a parrot tell someone to you know, buzz off. Yeah, 650 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: buzz off if you're lucky, if they haven't lived in 651 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: a frat house for a few years. Um, more often 652 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: than not, they just straight up curse. And every once 653 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: in a while you'll see a story about some parrots 654 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: that had to be moved from like a wild I've 655 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: preserved because they were cursing at like the people who 656 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: came by to see them or whatever, and teaching little 657 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 1: kids bad manners. I mean, they're all kinds of videos. 658 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: It's it's very fun. Kids. Ask your parents if you 659 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: can watch parrot talking videos, because some of them curse. 660 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: Uh if there are some funny ones too with parrots 661 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: and alexis um talking to Alexa, and I think one 662 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: of them that was a parrot that the lady um, 663 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: the owner went back and ordered or was checking on 664 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: things that were ordered, because this parrot would order stuff. Yeah, 665 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: and the parrot kept trying to order a fart shopping 666 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean she just said what's on 667 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: the shopping list? And Alexa said, bird seed fart, Right, 668 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: that's pretty great. I want to know what Alexa would 669 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: would imagine that to be well, I mean, if I 670 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: think if you say to burp or fart they'll do it, right. 671 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't tried that, but I'm going 672 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: to write after this, do you really haven't. I haven't 673 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: very impressed. I'm forty four years old and I've never 674 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: tried that. Al Right, well I'm almost fifty, so you'll 675 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: come back around and think it's funny again. You know 676 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: what's funny, Chuck? You have mastered one of the I 677 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: think sixty things that the Kama Sutra says every person 678 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: should master before they die, and that is to train 679 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: a parrot to talk is one of them. Yeah, I 680 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: had no idea I ran across that. So, um, we 681 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: can't talk about parents, and especially talk about parent intelligence 682 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: and not talk about Alex the parrot, which who we 683 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: have talked about before he showed up in our How 684 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: Zero Works episode, because he's, as far as anyone knows, 685 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: the I think, if not the only bird, possibly the 686 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: only other non human animal who's demonstrated a grasp of 687 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: the concept of zero. Um, that's a really weird concept 688 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: that that most non humans can't grasp, or possibly any 689 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: other non humans can't grasp, Alex could, which kind of 690 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: goes to show you what a smart part he was. Yeah, 691 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: I think they figured in the end, Alex was about 692 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: as smart as a five year old person, and uh 693 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,919 Speaker 1: not from like the depth of vocabulary. Alex knew about 694 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: a hundred words, which is sounds like a lot compared 695 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: to Dolly. But I think the Guinness record is a 696 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: parakeet named Puck who learned about sevent dred words and change, 697 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: so a hundred is good. But Alex could understand concepts 698 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: like bigger and smaller and same and different, and would 699 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: make up his own word combinations, like I think the 700 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: first time Alex a cake, Alex called it yummy bread, 701 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: which is really pretty astounding and can maybe kind of scary. 702 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: He supposedly is the first animal to ask an existential question, 703 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: which he saw himself in the mirror, and he asked 704 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: what color? And so his his handler and researcher I 705 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: Irene Pepperberg, who wrote many, many papers from the seventies 706 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: to the early two thousands. UM about Alex, whose name 707 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: it turns out as an acronym for Avian language experiment. 708 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: It's a little saddened by that, you know, like the 709 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,760 Speaker 1: robot whose name is like an acronym for someone science 710 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: E just kind of dehumanizing. UM. But Alex. Um, he 711 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: he asked like what color, and they took it to 712 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: mean like he was asking about himself, like he he 713 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: recognized himself in the mirror. And apparently parrots frequently talk 714 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: about themselves in third person, like that that parrot or 715 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: that para. Keep Puck hell right right, who held the 716 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: record for the most words, Um, he talked about himself 717 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: in third person. And apparently he once said it's Christmas 718 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: and that he was happy about it being Christmas, and 719 00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: Puck loved everybody. That's great, Yeah, but I mean it's like, 720 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: that's pretty intelligent. If this parrot understands what that it's 721 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: Christmas day and everybody's happy that he loves everybody, it's 722 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: a I'm I'm just impressed with parrots. In addition to 723 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: being cute, they also have brains, brains and looks. That's right, 724 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: So I think we gotta at least talk about the 725 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: notion of pirates having parrots. Uh. It is not necessarily 726 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: just a movie trope or a book trope from literature. 727 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: It makes sense in a way. Um, they may have 728 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: wanted when they're out at sea some companionship having a 729 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 1: dog or a cat or a goat, or a lamb 730 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: following you around on a ship isn't a great idea? 731 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: Like a bird kind of makes sense. And they could 732 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: eat the hard attack and the crackers and and sip 733 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: on the rum, and it makes sense to have birds. 734 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: They were they were they were going places where they 735 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 1: might have been. Like I don't know if there's any 736 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: hard evidence, but nothing about it seems like there's no 737 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: way that could have been true. No, what what I 738 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: saw is that, um, that that's possibly the case, but 739 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 1: that the Age of Discovery was at the second time 740 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: that Europe fell in love with parrots as pets, and 741 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: that the initial trend started when Alexander the Great invaded 742 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: India and took some parrots back to Greece with them, 743 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: and they ended up spreading to Europe. And actually the 744 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: Alexandrine parrot is named after Alexander the Great because it's 745 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: apparently one of the ones that he brought back with them. 746 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: And then parents just I guess fell out of fashion. 747 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: And uh, then when people started going to like Brazil, 748 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: and and coming back from Brazil, they came back with 749 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: parrots on their shoulders and the trend started again. I 750 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: love it. I did mention that they were. They're not 751 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: the easiest pet to take care of, the air messy. 752 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: They are demanding, they're pretty needy. They need lots of attention. 753 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: If they don't get it, they can be kind of 754 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: disruptive and destructive. Uh, not trying to talk anyone out 755 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: of getting a bird, but it's a lot too lots 756 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: to bite off if you've never had one. Yeah, no, 757 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,760 Speaker 1: it's I mean, like even even more of a commitment. 758 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: I would think then, say, like getting a dog, not 759 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: just because of the enormous amounts of attention that they 760 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: need from you, but they're really long lived too, Like 761 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: that's the deal. Much longer lived than than a dog 762 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: or a cat. Like like in in the wild, parrots 763 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 1: typically lived maybe thirty years. I think the the Cuca 764 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: po cuca po um lives possibly ninety years in the wild. 765 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: But in captivity parrots really live for a long time. 766 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: Um forty fifty sixty years. There was a major Mitchell's 767 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: cockatoon named Cookie. That's the oldest living documented parrot in captivity. Uh. 768 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: He lived to eighty three. I think, yeah, like you, 769 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: you often see parrots and people's wills because you have 770 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: to pass them along to somebody and yeah, for the 771 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: life of me Ida. I don't know what happened to Dolly. 772 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: We had Dolly for a few years. It's just kind 773 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: of one of those things when you're a kids sometimes 774 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: you have pets that just go away and your parents 775 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,720 Speaker 1: are like, they're on the farm now, They're like Dolly, 776 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: who stop asking questions. Let's never speak of Dolly again. 777 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: Dolly may have gotten out, I don't know, but that happens. 778 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, they they escape sometimes. Um. I mean, Umey's 779 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: grandma's parent outlived her and they went to live with 780 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 1: one of her friends who keeps birds. So yeah, I mean, 781 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: like they're really long lived pets. But part of the 782 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: reason why they think that there are or why they 783 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 1: know there are feral parrot populations around the United States 784 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: is because people people just let them go. They're like, 785 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,280 Speaker 1: I can't I had no idea what I was getting into. 786 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: Just fly free parrot. I'm sorry that we ever met. 787 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: It's like flushing that baby python down the toilet a 788 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: little bit, a lot bit actually, um. But the thing 789 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: is is it's kind of so it's it's good on 790 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: the one hand that that just doesn't automatically like kill 791 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: the parrot that they can Actually they might find like 792 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: a local population that they can join. They might find 793 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: another one and star to local population as a breeding pair. Um, 794 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: it's not like a death sentence to parrots, like you 795 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 1: should never you know, just release your pet into the wild. 796 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 1: That's that's just bad juju. But um, if you do 797 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: with the parrot, it's not It's not a death sentence, 798 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. One of the bigger problems of 799 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: that is that you have still placed to demand on 800 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: the bird market. Yes, and the bird market is not 801 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: like there's not some nice family in you know, the 802 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: central rural part of your state that breeds parrots, and 803 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: that's where all the parrots come from. The parrots that 804 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: you get typically have been stolen from a nest in 805 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: Brazil and brought to the United States. I saw something 806 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: like eight hundred thousand parrot chicks a year are removed 807 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: from nests to feed the demand of the exotic bird market. Um, 808 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,319 Speaker 1: and a lot of them don't survive. They die on 809 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: the way. And as I was saying before, the reproductive 810 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: rate of parrots is low enough that once you get 811 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: enough chicks removed from their native habitats, they're not getting 812 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 1: replaced fast enough, and then that leads to a collapse 813 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: of the population and it can mean extinction if that 814 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: happens across the large enough range. Yeah, and there are 815 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 1: plenty of countries, including the United States, that have done 816 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 1: past legislation to try and put a dent in like 817 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: this importing and poaching and stuff. But at the beginning 818 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,280 Speaker 1: of this year, there was a study in Global Change 819 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: Biology that said that a third apparent species are threatened 820 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 1: with extinction. I think a hundred and seventy one of 821 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: the species are near threatened or critically endangered. The cacapa 822 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: that you talked about, you mentioned that they're along like 823 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty of those left. Yeah, you really 824 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: don't want the cacapa to go extinct. Luckily, they're new 825 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: in New Zealand and New Zealand loves nature, so they're 826 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: in a good spot. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. 827 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: Are they trying to breed them? At least? I think 828 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: they're protecting the heck out of them and they're just 829 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: leaving them to breed amongst themselves. They live on three 830 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: isolated remote islands that don't have any introduced predators, so 831 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: they they're they're they're in a precarious place, but they're 832 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: in about as good a place as they could be 833 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: for the precarious state there in. Yeah, and it's you know, 834 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: it's not just people poaching. It's uh, humans encroaching with 835 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: developments and you know, less and less natural habitat. It's obviously, uh, 836 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, the repercussions of climate change. When things like 837 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,320 Speaker 1: the Australian wildfires break out, it's a reduction of habitat 838 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: and the poaching that's kind of put a real dent 839 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 1: in the para population. Yeah, so they're saying, well, you know, 840 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: there's there's so they've actually identified some hot spots of 841 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: parent biodiversity around the world that said like, Okay, if 842 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: these places, if the governments in these places like move 843 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: to protect parrots, parrots are going to be okay. Um, 844 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: So like the northeastern Andes, the Atlantic forest that stretches 845 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: from Brazil Inland and Argentina and Paraguay. Um, if these 846 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: places can can protect the parrots, their parents should be fine. 847 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: So hopefully they will. And then the demand side, uh, 848 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,720 Speaker 1: if Europe in Japan will kind of get over their 849 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 1: love of parrots or figure out a different way to 850 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,920 Speaker 1: get parrots a more sustainable way than that would have 851 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: a big effect to Are they two of the biggest 852 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: defenders from what I saw, Yeah, because that act the 853 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,840 Speaker 1: US pass cut poaching and half um from what I 854 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: could tell, So it was like a really big had 855 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,240 Speaker 1: a big impact. But Europe in japan'ss continued on without 856 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 1: that kind of legislation. I think it's great, well, not 857 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: great for them, but great for us. Up with parrots, everybody, 858 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: And if you want to get a little pop of 859 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: joy out of your day, watch this one minute video 860 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,839 Speaker 1: called bird Sings in Synchrony with piano. Incredible cute, three 861 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: exclamation points not incredibly cute. It is one of the 862 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 1: sweetest things I've seen in a while. And you'll be like, yep, 863 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 1: Josh's right. Birds can just be happy little souls. Yeah, 864 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 1: or bird's cursing that's one too. Uh. Are you got 865 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,359 Speaker 1: anything else that? Nothing else? Well, parrots everybody, Like I said, 866 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: go wat some parrot videos and uh. In the meantime, 867 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,760 Speaker 1: it's time for listening mail. I'm gonna call this plugging 868 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 1: another podcast. We don't often do this, and it's not 869 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: from professional envy or anything. It was just, uh, we 870 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: would be doing it all the time if we did 871 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: it too much. Yeah, nice one. Hey guys, my name 872 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: is vv goer g A you are. I've been listening 873 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,800 Speaker 1: to your show for the past six years. My physiotherapist 874 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,239 Speaker 1: working in the suburbs of Delhi, and part of my 875 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 1: job is provide domicillary care where I have uh to 876 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,279 Speaker 1: go see my patients at their houses and therefore need 877 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: to drive every day. You're one of my favorite podcasts 878 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: to listen to, and I'll listen to you guys almost 879 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: every day when I am driving through the chaotic traffic. 880 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: It gave me some something worthwhile to listen to. It's 881 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: interesting and I like your humorous, humorous conversational style. I 882 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,279 Speaker 1: wish after covid gets over, you would do a live 883 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,879 Speaker 1: show in New Delhi someday. Man, how about that? Yeah, 884 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,880 Speaker 1: maybe I think we could draw a crowd. I have 885 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: a crowd of one at least. Yeah, Vivik will be there. 886 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: I just want to know that someone is listening to 887 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 1: you guys every day from the other side of the globe, 888 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 1: and you inspired me to launch my own podcast. Uh 889 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: if you would flee shout out to Vivik Gower, physiotherapist, 890 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,719 Speaker 1: podcast that is v I V E k g A. 891 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,919 Speaker 1: You are a physiotherapist podcast. Although it's in English which 892 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,840 Speaker 1: is Hindi and English, you guys will not understand the 893 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,759 Speaker 1: majority of it L O L, but keep doing what 894 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 1: you're doing. Best Switches That is Vivik. Thanks a lot, Vavik, 895 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: and good luck on your podcast. That was very nice 896 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: of you to plug a chuck. Yeah, check it out 897 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 1: in English and we'll see you in New Delhi someday. 898 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: Don't know win, but someday sure. And if you want 899 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: to get in touch with this, like Vick did, you 900 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 1: can send us an email to Stuff Podcast at iHeart 901 00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:02,080 Speaker 1: radio dot com. 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