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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Talking Coffeet Off the coup. I'm pleased

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Speaker 1: once again to be joined by my producers, Lauren and Derek.

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Speaker 1: Derek is fresh back from Japan. Yes, she was so.

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Speaker 2: Jealous, Miss Jellous, he missed you, and but.

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Speaker 1: And but I'm just so jealous of your trip.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was a wonderful time. I'm totally in love with Japan.

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Speaker 3: It was amazing.

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Speaker 2: I was curious about your coffee intake there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what was coffee like in Japan?

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Speaker 3: There were there were machines all over the place, and

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Speaker 3: the vending machines gave you like cold beverages and hot

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Speaker 3: beverages and other kinds of things. I actually didn't get

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Speaker 3: a coffee from these machines, though I randomly got a

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Speaker 3: hot hot coco.

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Speaker 1: Did you have any coffee while you were there?

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Speaker 3: I did have coffee while I was there. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: had coffee at like the hotels that I stayed at,

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Speaker 3: normal coffee shop, and I tasted.

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Speaker 2: Compared to your own homemade a big brew.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, you know, my standards are very high. No,

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Speaker 3: I had I had great coffee. I also we were

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Speaker 3: walking past a Starbucks and at one point I was like,

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Speaker 3: I just want to see if it smells the same.

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Speaker 3: And so we're like, I have walked in Starbucks real quill.

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Speaker 3: It smells exactly like a Starbucks.

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Speaker 2: So funny for you.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's good to have you back, and it's good

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Speaker 1: to be back talking about coffee. Yes, but before we

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Speaker 1: talk about coffee.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I.

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Speaker 1: Have a question I need to get answered and I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping you two can help me answer it. But I'm

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Speaker 1: also willing to have our listeners way in because I

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Speaker 1: need I need answers. This question has been gnawing at

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Speaker 1: me for the past week. The caveat is it has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with coffee. Okay, I'm just here to

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Speaker 1: abuse my power at this platform. I have you and

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Speaker 1: a captive audience. So that's the caveat. This is not

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Speaker 1: a coffee related question.

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Speaker 3: It's a natural progression because we've talked about coffee news,

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Speaker 3: and then we've talked about like coffee personal personal news

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Speaker 3: that relates to coffee, and now it's just going to

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Speaker 3: be something unrelated to coffee, which I'm totally Now we're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about our personal lives. No. I wish I could

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Speaker 1: find a hook to tie this to coffee, but it's okay,

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Speaker 1: And I wasn't going to do this, but I did

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Speaker 1: ask some friends this question, and my one friend who

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Speaker 1: take it to the pod.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, so let me set this up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So last week I go to the premiere of Tucci

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Speaker 1: in Italy. Okay, yea, yeah, g o right, And it

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Speaker 1: was great and Stanley's amazing and the show is terrific

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait to watch. After the premiere, we

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Speaker 1: all go to the after party at the Oak Room

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Speaker 1: at the Plaza and we've been to several of these

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Speaker 1: at the Plaza. They're great, tremendous food, great train, but

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Speaker 1: it's very crowded because everyone from a premiere comes, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone's in their gowns and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right right. So I'm with my husband. I brought

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Speaker 1: us right away, okay, so they're not together, but they're together, okay,

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Speaker 1: and we're like, chit chatting, and I don't remember how

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Speaker 1: this came up, but I say in conversation, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: have a ten year old. You look amazing. Oh okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what what did that mean? He's like, I

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Speaker 1: and I'm not fishing. Okay, there's a few options here.

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Speaker 1: One is, wow, you look younger. You look too young

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Speaker 1: Another possibility is I'm assuming you're much older. You're a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you only have a ten year old. I assume

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Speaker 1: you'd have a grown whole. Last person, right, Okay, The

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Speaker 1: You look so put together. But I don't think ten

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Speaker 1: So, and again this is not vanity. I don't really

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Speaker 2: The person who asked, they they have it. They're the

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Speaker 1: She has a sixteen month old her gay bestie I

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Speaker 2: My guess is like it's it's coming from a place

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think she meant you look surprisingly young for

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Speaker 1: So maybe in her mind she thinking about herself, where

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Speaker 2: in the grave with a ten year old. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a mix of those two things. But

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Speaker 2: maybe our listeners have other ideas.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we had to psychologize deep to really something

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Speaker 2: Did you come up with something similar?

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Speaker 1: I couldn't come up with anything, Like, I couldn't come

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Speaker 2: End technically geriatric at thirty five.

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Speaker 1: I had an actual geriatric pregnance as you thirty five,

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Speaker 1: So like it doesn't make any sense to me that

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Speaker 3: The moral of the story. Don't comment on people, especially

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Speaker 1: Because I'm not offended either way, But like it was enigmatic,

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Speaker 2: Were you guys fans of Girls five ev oh. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they did so many great musical moments about older moms

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Speaker 3: my favorites. Both a good one from that show. Lauren,

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Speaker 3: you also have like a ten year old tennis.

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Speaker 2: Year old my nine year olds turning ten in a

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not that I don't think it's either of

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Speaker 2: To say, I cannot imagine even just having to do

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Speaker 3: And sometimes the compliments also make you feel weird, like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't really take anything at Facebook.

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Speaker 1: I try not to read too much into it, but

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Speaker 1: this one was really a puzzle. So thank you. I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: I think I think we got to a conclusion. Well

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from folks at off thecop at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com if you have other interpretations or a

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Speaker 1: similar experience where someone has said something like this to

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Speaker 3: Well, and I do think there is a connection to coffee,

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Speaker 2: But that would suck. That would suck. So it would

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Speaker 3: Because you wouldn't want to, and also because I don't

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Speaker 2: I still like going out to coffee, but so do I.

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Speaker 1: And you know, my husband and is dunk and run

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of shitty coffee, people love and I'm not

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Speaker 1: No, I mean that's a lot for McDonald's coffee.

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Speaker 1: I think we should.

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Speaker 3: I mean, should we put duncan in the mix here?

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Speaker 1: For that. My uncle has the same. My uncle, it's

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Speaker 2: I want to find more coffee clubs. Ooh, that's another

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Speaker 1: Well, this is a great segue to my next coffee story,

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Speaker 1: secret coffee party. Have you heard of this? No go

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Speaker 1: own twist on it by incorporating performers like a saxophone,

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Speaker 1: someone on drums, some kind of show with coffee. And

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Speaker 1: just two weeks after it was introduced, Secret Coffee Party

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Speaker 1: had over five thousand followers on social media. Ooh, two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people registered for the inaugural event, and

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Speaker 1: there have been several sins and they are a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge hit. And it's like a pop up so it

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Speaker 1: changes oh fun locations, and you have to know where

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Speaker 1: it's going to be.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love that.

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Speaker 1: But it's just for it's for coffee.

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Speaker 2: Is it? So it's in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what time of day is. That's

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Speaker 1: a good guess. Part of the secret it says it's

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Speaker 1: a club in a coffee shop, good coffee, good house music,

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Speaker 1: and a good time. I mean, I don't think you'd

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Speaker 1: want to do this at night with coffee. I think

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Speaker 1: you'd want to do it during the day. But I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't really know, but that sounds really fun.

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Speaker 3: So wait es Sie, didn't you have another story on

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Speaker 3: a previous episode about a DJ related to coffee.

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Speaker 1: So this was a thing they were trying in Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Right where they were trying, they were bringing house DJs

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Speaker 1: into coffee shops so that when you went to go

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Speaker 1: get your car, there was sort of a club vibe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as you were in there and we were we were

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Speaker 1: talking about whether we want that vibe at a coffee shop.

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Speaker 1: But this is a little different. This is like a

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Speaker 1: moving party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 3: The should I feel like they should they should get

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Speaker 3: together though, I feel like they would make friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think it's a really cute idea, very cute.

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Speaker 1: And you know a lot of people are like quitting

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Speaker 1: drinking or they're sober curious and they're just doing different

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Speaker 1: things for entertainment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, which just used.

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Speaker 1: To revolve around alcohol so much, and they're just everyone's

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Speaker 1: finding different things that aren't so attached to drinking.

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Speaker 2: Which, yeah, that's great. Yeah, I like the experimentation too.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think is the best time of

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Speaker 1: day to drink coffee for health benefits?

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Speaker 2: You mean everybody's day, not just like when I get

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Speaker 2: up and like an hour after I get up kind

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Speaker 2: of Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this is for the average person who works standard

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Speaker 1: business hours.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the answer is going to be like

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Speaker 3: when you least want to. It's gonna be like two pm.

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Speaker 1: You can't drink coffee till.

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Speaker 2: Two wait as long as possible. Yeah, I would guess

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Speaker 2: like an hour after you got up, like seven am.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, eight am.

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Speaker 1: I wish that were true. Oh god, yeah, because I

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Speaker 1: want to ride away. Yeah, yeah, immediately, it's not. It's

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Speaker 1: not true.

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Speaker 3: The folders commercials have trained us all. You know, the

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Speaker 3: smell of coffee, best part in your cup, yeah.

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Speaker 1: The best power to wake it up? Yeah. No. Now, apparently,

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Speaker 1: according to a board certified sleep medicine doctor, chief medical

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Speaker 1: advisor of Sleepopolis, that's the thing. The best time to

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Speaker 1: drink coffee is in the mid to late morning, usually

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Speaker 1: nine thirty to eleven thirty.

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Speaker 2: Okay, disappointing, which is it?

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Speaker 1: Two?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It isn't when I want it. I want it.

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Speaker 2: I feel like by that point I would start to

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Speaker 2: get a headache. You know, I'd be like a caffeine.

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Speaker 1: Withdrawal because you need it, I know. But it apparently

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Speaker 1: it can give you the boost you need to get

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Speaker 1: through the mid morning slump. Caffeine improves your cognitive function

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Speaker 1: as you start the day, enhances exercise performance before a

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Speaker 1: morning workout. But so if that's true, why am I

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Speaker 1: having it at nine thirty my warning work as it

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Speaker 1: would be at like six or seven.

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Speaker 2: I like my second cup of coffee around ten ten thirty,

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Speaker 2: So I'll just ignore right the rest.

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Speaker 1: Of it, right, I don't Apparently it's better for heart

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Speaker 1: health to have it before noon, but after nine and

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Speaker 1: definitely it says. I mean, there are studies suggesting people

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Speaker 1: who drink coffee between four am and twelve pm or

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Speaker 1: sixteen percent less likely to die from any cause compared

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Speaker 1: to people who didn't drink coffee, and thirty one percent

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Speaker 1: less likely to develop heart disease. I can't keep up

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Speaker 1: with all of these recommendations. Yeah, but there is one

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Speaker 1: for sure consensus that you should not have coffee five

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Speaker 1: to six hours before sleep.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean a long that's a long time it is, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but that makes sense to me. I mean, like before dinner.

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Speaker 2: I don't really want coffee before that.

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Speaker 3: I don't either remember like that post dinner cup of

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Speaker 3: coffee or that post dinner espresso or something like. If

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Speaker 3: I'm at a restaurant, I love ordering, do.

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Speaker 2: You I always feel like I'm full, Like I don't.

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Speaker 2: I've never had post dinner coffee for another beverage.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have much coffee at that time.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes I have to do a show at like

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Speaker 1: ten pm. Oh yeah, caffee, I must, I must caffeinate.

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Speaker 1: But the shitty part is after the show, I want

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Speaker 1: to go right to bed. I'm up, I know, and

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00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: it's not mess a caffeine. It's TV and just being

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Speaker 1: like on. So it really it's it's tough to do

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Speaker 1: it that late, but sometimes I have to.

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know much about basketball players these days.

544
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Speaker 1: I just don't follow it as much as I used to.

545
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Speaker 1: But uh, there is a basketball player from the Golden

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Speaker 1: State Warriors named Jimmy Butler. I think he's a big

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Speaker 1: I think he's a big deal. I don't know he

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Speaker 1: he has what is apparently one of the best coffee brands.

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Speaker 1: He has his own that, like experts have decided, is

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Speaker 1: super super good and like up there with Competits Coffee

551
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: okay and McDonald's okay. McDonald's apparently, but listen to how

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Speaker 1: this started. This is amazing. So he was a big

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Speaker 1: coffee fan and coffee drinker. And when COVID happened again,

554
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: the NBA bubble happened. Do you remember this, where like

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Speaker 1: the NBA all went to like, in his case, the

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Speaker 1: Walt Disney World Hotel and they all just stayed in

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Speaker 1: there for the whole season. That's and like didn't go

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Speaker 1: in and out. And he started operating a makeshift coffee shop.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love his hotel room inside the bubble. It

560
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Speaker 1: was a cash only shop. It had a menu of

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Speaker 1: everything from lattes to pourovers, with the drink costing twenty

562
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Speaker 1: dollars a pop. No IOUs allowed. Oh my god, you

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Speaker 1: had to pay. So the Onyx coffee lab got wind

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Speaker 1: of this and tried to get in touch with him

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Speaker 1: because they were like, this is amazing and we want

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Speaker 1: to be in the Jimmy Butler coffee business. They didn't.

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Speaker 1: They weren't able to reach him, but another coffee collaborator,

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Speaker 1: Brand Intelligentsia Oh Yes, reached Jimmy Butler Lucky them, and

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Speaker 1: he reached out to Onyx. So the three of them

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Speaker 1: worked together to come up with big Face coffee Big Face,

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Speaker 1: and it is like it intense, like he is an

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Speaker 1: expert in the coffee. Wow. He ended up poaching the

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Speaker 1: director of Intelligentsia to serve as the CEO of his

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Speaker 1: new company and bringing the Onyx team on as partners

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Speaker 1: to help with sourcing, roasting, and distribution. And the coffee

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Speaker 1: experts there said he is in the industry. He uses

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Speaker 1: a Lamarzico LINEA mini as his travel machine, a three

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Speaker 1: group Lamrazico lev at his home in San Diego. These

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Speaker 1: machines sell for five thousand to thirty five thousand dollars. WHOA,

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Speaker 1: And they say he is a student. He is very

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Speaker 1: interested in humble it's so cool to be around. And

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Speaker 1: they say experts say this is an incredible cup of coffee.

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Speaker 1: Now Blen sell online Big Face for thirty dollars for

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Speaker 1: an eight point eight ounce bag. WHOA very expensive. They

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Speaker 1: they know that they agree it is expensive. They want

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Speaker 1: to be a high price point coffee. Miami coffee shop

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler has a flight of three coffees sells for

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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: What this is crazy?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh.

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Speaker 2: I'm so confused by all this.

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Speaker 1: Though. I mean, I'm not usually one to be drawn

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Speaker 1: to like a celebrity brand because it's a celebrity. Yeah,

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00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: but this sounds like a celebrity. He looked like, knows

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. Didn't just slap his name on something. Yeah,

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00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: this came together like organically. It sounded like it came

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Speaker 1: interest from him. But I'm confused about the Walt Disney hotel.

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Speaker 1: So was he like, like what bean? Doesn't it matter

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Speaker 1: what beans you're using? So like you get nobody else's beans.

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Speaker 1: And then I don't know if he ordered beans to

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Speaker 1: the to the's never gonna tell. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I mean his interest in coffee yeah got him this

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Speaker 1: coffee deal. Yeah, and he's apparently very hands on, and

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Speaker 1: I want to try big face.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for sure, the.

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Speaker 3: Beans are sourced directly from the Animal Kingdom, the natural

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Speaker 3: habitat they just like. And then he roasted it there. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 3: another big tree.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I do feel like I think we should push him

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Speaker 2: because surely he's listening if he's a coffee fan. Yeah,

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00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: to bring uh, get an option for the people, you know,

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Speaker 2: for the masses. Yeah, I want a regular coffee price point,

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Speaker 2: not a thirty dollars one.

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00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm getting the feeling. This is like an experience,

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Speaker 1: but I would love to try it. Apparently his shop

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Speaker 1: is in Miami and you can order them online. Maybe

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00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: I will, yeah, and make us all a cup of

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Speaker 1: big face coffee.

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Speaker 2: My god, I'm so intrigued.

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00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Taste tested. Yeah, this is apparently what we do now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or taste a lot of taste testing. I like it.

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Speaker 3: I like it well, and you tell me there's an

624
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: expensive bag of beans, I'm like, oh, where can I

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00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: get it?

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00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Tell me more. What we should be recreating is

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Speaker 2: the se cup lab. I think if you throw lab

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Speaker 2: at the end of anything, it's now a scientific adventure

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Speaker 2: and we will taste test anything that comes to a science.

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Speaker 1: Sure, coffee lab. I love it. I love you.

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00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: Should change your title talking coffee lab.

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00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's all the news that's fit to set.

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00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: And now I know a basketball name I can throw around,

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler.

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Speaker 1: But you sound very well informed.

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00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: Have you seen Jimmy Butler? Have you seen him?

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Speaker 1: You've seen him?

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Speaker 3: Have you sipped his coffee?

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Speaker 1: And have you?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, and as always, please write in to off

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Speaker 1: the Cup at gmail dot com. Coup with two p's

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Speaker 1: just like the podcast with your controversial coffee takes, your

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Speaker 1: unpopular opinions, your coffe related news or stories, and whether

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Speaker 1: I look amazing for having a ten year old and

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Speaker 1: what do you think that means you're welcoming particular episode

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Speaker 1: tack my question.

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Speaker 2: On Oh, and I wanted to correct our lovely call

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Speaker 2: in right in person. I was calling her Ava, it's Eva, Eva, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you actually said, and I was like, no, I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: sure it's Eva okay, Diva.

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Speaker 1: Well, Eva write us back. We want to hear more.

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