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Speaker 1: You know, it's high fault, but we should have been

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Speaker 1: All us been knowing each other since we was jay

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Speaker 1: We always root for each other. And he was right

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Speaker 1: behind us doing this thing as we came out. So, man,

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Speaker 1: we definitely appreciate you coming on the show man, you

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you. Man, I ain't seeing you in

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Speaker 3: Q eal State representive. Yes, sir, ill State represent for

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Speaker 2: Y'all have me on. It's been a minute.

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league, who's the first

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Speaker 4: First got to the league. First person to bust my

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Speaker 4: But Joe Johnson was was that.

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Speaker 3: Joe So Joe, he got a lot of guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: yo yo yo. We live on location Me and the

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Speaker 2: Today. We got a very very special guest. Man. It's

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Speaker 3: He didn't went on to win three times, three times,

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you, bro, Yes, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Peoria, Illinois, now Peoria, Illinois. You know you folks don't know,

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Speaker 1: You can tell about Q Reckless, definitely, you can tell

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Speaker 1: They had guys who won three state titles in the row.

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Speaker 3: A lot of them dudes you said, like you said

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Speaker 4: He was all American. Mike Robinson, shout out Mike. I

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Speaker 4: I was the ball And I've seen this man so

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Speaker 3: He was the first dude I got to be up

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Speaker 4: Man play just like his idol was big Dog Glenn Robinson,

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Speaker 3: Like That's what I said, Like from LB being able

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, man, absolutely so like yeah, like LB had

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Speaker 4: It's just you just got your chops going up to

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Speaker 1: Because you're a tall point guard, Like out of all

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Speaker 4: You you was one of those guys you just ain't see.

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Speaker 4: Nitty was somebody for me that, like I idolized as

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Speaker 3: And like Nitty wasn't six eight like you, but six

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Speaker 2: He had I never got.

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Speaker 4: That's what I said, just he's just moving slow, but

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Speaker 4: They picked that up from like I say, man, shout

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Home with Fossmore. That's crazy, Home with Fossmore in the championship.

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Speaker 4: That was my last year. In the first year, we

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Speaker 4: Eddie probably had forty he dunking on his drop step

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Speaker 4: this is like two thousand and three, two thousand and four,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Really like again, just like I say, watching y'all seeing

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Speaker 4: He was the big dog got that seriously, like they

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Speaker 1: But you don't know nothing about this. But how was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Yeah, you're just gonna say that. You

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Speaker 3: You didn't even when your junior, when you should have won.

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Speaker 2: So what you talking about they gave it to because

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Speaker 2: he went to U. That's right. Furthering state, I don't give.

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Speaker 4: It was Clo.

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Speaker 2: My year. It was close as.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about Cory. Frankie. I love y'all. Everybody know

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Speaker 3: what it was. Frank and my team, no prisoners.

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Speaker 2: We Frankie was the best player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he trying to get it rise out of me. Listen,

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Speaker 3: they all know I took that. That ain't I ain't

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Speaker 3: even worried it was. It was articles So we lose

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Speaker 2: We did not.

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Speaker 3: They wanted to say, because you're talking about that year,

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Speaker 3: is you talking no lose, no lose?

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Speaker 2: That's no love everybody man and so all of them up.

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Speaker 3: We beat man you bout thirty in the Christmas Urnament.

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Speaker 3: We beat Corey mcghetty by twenty in the fucking city suburbans.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 3: That's what will tell us, how you know something championship feels.

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Speaker 3: So we could talk about that after this talk about

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Speaker 3: the little the visual you liot, sorry school, he didn't

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Speaker 2: He got to the individual war. He had a quadruple doubles.

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Speaker 2: So look at me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we already talked about the titles. Now

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Speaker 1: we're talking about mister basketball. So you know, knowing how

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Speaker 1: So how was that?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 4: Like honestly, I mean I say this, I try to

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Speaker 4: it was just my era. Like I felt like that

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Speaker 4: I think Sean Pruitt he was going to Illinois. Actually

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Speaker 4: you know, Like I was, I was going to all

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Speaker 4: these you know, all American camps putting my name, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to ABCD, Like I'm seeing all these players

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Speaker 4: I think Shannon Brown wanted my junior year. You know,

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Speaker 4: I can't remember who wanted my sophomore year. But you know, again,

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Speaker 4: come out of Illinois and just just to be mentioned

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Speaker 4: to come out of Illinois when there's so many great

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Speaker 4: just to be in the conversation, you know, like I'm

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Speaker 4: good with that.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about these camps though, yo era Bassie had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's.

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Speaker 1: He's front cover magazines, he had the crowd, he had

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Speaker 2: But I was looking at a story where he was the.

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Speaker 1: Number one point guard when y'all went into Adida's camp

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Speaker 1: point guard. Now tell us about that camp, that year

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going out there, y'all know me, man, I'm quiet,

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Speaker 4: you know, like I don't do all the rah rah.

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Speaker 4: I'm just going out there to hoop. So I'm by myself.

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Speaker 4: I know people, so, you know, I know we all

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Speaker 4: of the players that's there. But you know, back see

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Speaker 4: a rock star at.

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Speaker 2: This time, jay Z following them.

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Speaker 4: Rock star like he really got it, you know, like

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about he coming in, he got the big

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Only one were in jail, only one, like he all

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Speaker 4: iced out both like it's you know, he he a

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Speaker 4: real rock star at that time. He had it, so

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Speaker 4: Like he had that aura like you know, like damn

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Speaker 4: d he was a beast though, Yeah, and he was

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Speaker 4: was absolutely absolutely and he had it. You know, he

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Speaker 4: like we wasn't as close like that, so you just

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Speaker 4: you heard the stories. You might see some highlights. You know,

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Speaker 4: he playing in front of probably you know, fifteen ten,

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Speaker 4: fifteen thousand, like like you said, Jay showing up to

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Speaker 4: So we walk in, he got like twenty people with him,

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Speaker 4: just coming out of there. I just remember, like my

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Speaker 4: like you don't never know when you this moment, you'll

439
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 4: get this again. And that was my only time to

440
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 4: really match up with him. I didn't see him in

441
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 4: the AAU circuit really, you know, I wasn't really a

442
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 4: Nike or did this guy, you know, usually he was

443
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 4: one of the other. Yeah, so that was my moment.

444
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 4: That was my time to really match up with him,

445
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 4: and I just you know, I'm looking I'm like I'm

446
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 4: six five sixty six. Like, you know, I'm again, I'm

447
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 4: playing in Chicago against some you know, against some goons.

448
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 4: Already I'm like, you know, I ain't scared of him,

449
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 4: like and so just going at him and having that

450
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: mentality you know at the time, and and like I said,

451
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 4: Bassie was he was nice, like you know, he was nice.

452
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 4: Fast yeah, fast, fast, fast, like he really had it.

453
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 4: But I but also to the ore that he moved

454
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 4: with at the time, like the confidence that he had.

455
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 4: I think he had a lot of that over a

456
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 4: lot of players. Before the ball even go up, you dead,

457
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 4: you dead, like you know, if you buying into it.

458
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 4: And so for me just going up there, I remember

459
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 4: like you know, our team one. I'm like, we're gonna

460
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 4: win the game, like at the end of the day,

461
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: you know, like I played the win. I don't know

462
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 4: what the stats was, but I'm playing to win and

463
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 4: just having that mentality going at him.

464
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: You know, I'm seeing like the.

465
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 4: Crowd, everybody, you know, they all the gas, he do something,

466
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 4: you know, the guy, they just they hyping it up,

467
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 4: you know, like that, putting all the extras on it.

468
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 4: You know, I'm like, okay, cool, you know, take the

469
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 4: ball out. You know what I'm saying, like, let's keep playing.

470
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,479
Speaker 4: And that was just my mentality. And I just remember,

471
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 4: you know, just coming out of the camp. You know,

472
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 4: people saw what they saw. Yeah, you know, I just

473
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 4: I came out the camp, you know with that renewed

474
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 4: confidence like, Okay, I feel like I'm you know, I'm

475
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 4: one of the ones.

476
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: Before you when you came out, decided to come out.

477
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: Who did you commit to?

478
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: Why? Why? Why?

479
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 4: I could and listen, I committed the duke first off,

480
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 4: and I had U of I, Arizona, North Carolina and Duke.

481
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: And so two things.

482
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 4: One Coach K came into the house, sat down, and

483
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: my grandfather at the ar. Yeah, he came to Fyorrea,

484
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: you know, and came down, sat in the living room.

485
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: And at the time, my grandfather was like the rock

486
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 4: of our family and he served in the military. Coach

487
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 4: K went to West Point, and so just that connection alone,

488
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 4: and then watching Jason Williams in college, like if you remember,

489
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 4: Jason Williams.

490
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: Was like that.

491
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: If you remember, if you know, like he was really

492
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 4: like that. And so watching him in the open floor,

493
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 4: watching him run the pick and roll, get up and

494
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 4: down again, I'm I'm you know, I'm slim, I'm a buck,

495
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 4: you know, sixty trying to play in the Big Ten,

496
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: like you know, so thinking about what's my best shot

497
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 4: to get to the league. Get up and down, we

498
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 4: gotta run, I gotta get you know, like take it out.

499
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 4: We got a fast break, you know, pick and roll,

500
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 4: spread the floor, you know for out, went in like

501
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 4: that was that was my style. So, you know, thinking

502
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: about the big team going to Illinois at the time,

503
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 4: they d Brown, Darren Williams, Luther head like they stacked

504
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 4: and they you know, they coming to get me, like

505
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 4: come on, young Feller, like we you know, like you

506
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 4: belong here. But I was just looking at where was

507
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: the best chance for me to get to the league.

508
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 4: It was no disrespect to the home team, you know,

509
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 4: but I definitely took a lot of heat from that.

510
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: So missed the basketball. You know, that's why come from

511
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: here you go.

512
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: So what what turned around that you decided like, man,

513
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm finna go pro, Like.

514
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put my name in the draft.

515
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 4: Hoops going up to hoops like the gym, like so

516
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 4: shout out, shout out, Tim Grover, Like I was leaving

517
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 4: school every Friday to.

518
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: Go up and work out. I remember that.

519
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: This is like two thous and I first went up

520
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 4: there two thousand and three, and I remember watching Mike

521
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 4: play big Mic, seeing the run, seeing the games. I

522
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 4: ain't get a chance to play, get on the court

523
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 4: or nothing. But then two thousand and four, you know,

524
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 4: like they got all these mock drafts, and then you

525
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 4: know Dwight Howard in the class he gone, he ain't

526
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 4: going to college. Sure he's telling everybody, I'm gone. He

527
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 4: projected to be number one pick. Were playing the McDonald's games,

528
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: j R. Smith, I think he's the MVP. Like, man,

529
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 4: I think I'm finna go to the league off this game,

530
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 4: Like damn, you was just going to college. Like so

531
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 4: it was just a wave, you know, you it came out.

532
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 4: You know, bron was a class before us, Big Perk.

533
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 4: You know those guys indeb like they was.

534
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: A class him. It was to Minnesota.

535
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right. So it was just a lot

536
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: of it was a wave going on. For me. I

537
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: always knew.

538
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm going to college again, buck fifty,

539
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: Like I need to get stronger, I need to develop,

540
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: work on my jump shot, all these things. So in

541
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 4: my mind, I'm going to college. But I start going

542
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 4: up to Hoops at the time, and you know all

543
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: these mock drafts. You know, you could be top ten,

544
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 4: you could be lottery whatever it was. But I did

545
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 4: one workout. Tim Grover at the time acted as my agent.

546
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 4: He like he like, Sean, We're gonna do one workout.

547
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna bring thirty teams up here. I'm like, damn,

548
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: you can get all thirty of these teams up here.

549
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 4: Like Tim at the time had cloud like that. Yeah

550
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: he did, Yeah, like he had it. So I do

551
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: one workout this before the pre draft at Hoops. All

552
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 4: thirty gms there, like assistant gms or gms. I remember

553
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: Steve Curry, John Paxton, Chris Mullin, like they all sitting there.

554
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 4: You know, I'm looking like, damn, like these real decision makers. Okay,

555
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 4: So I'm doing a one on old workout by myself

556
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: for like an hour. Afterwards, we go up totate to

557
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: the weight room. Tim like, you know, congratulations, young fella,

558
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: you going to the league. I just talked to one

559
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 4: of the gems. They got the six pick, Like you

560
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 4: you're not slipping past them if you get to them

561
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: at that pick number six.

562
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: They taking you.

563
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Damn how that felt. I'm like, it's real now,

564
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 4: how was it?

565
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to leave home and telling your mom and

566
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I ain't doing Duke, I'm gonna go

567
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: to the league.

568
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 4: Well just that hap having that call with coach k

569
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, I gotta I gotta do it.

570
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: I gotta do it. I can't have.

571
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 4: Nobody, he can't hear from nobody else. So I told him.

572
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: He was like, I think you're making a mistake. You know, yeah,

573
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: I think you're making a mistake. But I wish you

574
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: Well that was it. I hang up the phone. All right,

575
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: I need an agent, and so I go, you know,

576
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 4: start looking for an agent. We go through the whole process.

577
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: But I mean at the time, it's again, you know,

578
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: everybody in Peoria, you know, they don't know what to expect,

579
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 4: and so it was just it was hard because it

580
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 4: was just like a light switch and everything happened so fast,

581
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 4: and it's like, damn, I'm really about to go to

582
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 4: the league. Like I grew up, you know, watching Mike.

583
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 4: I grew up like, am I really ready for this?

584
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 4: Whether I'm ready or not, I'm going. You see what

585
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 4: I'm saying, so now it's like get ready, Like, you know.

586
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: Did you do the press conference and announced you was

587
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: going to the league and all that?

588
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 4: Not really see I did a press like quiet all

589
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 4: that attention.

590
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: Jackie joined the Kersey Center, had I had the news

591
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: stations and all that stuff come. I announced that I'm

592
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: going to the league, Navy fro all that to announced

593
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to the league.

594
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: Then went to school the next day.

595
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: It kind of took everybody to the next week to realize, like,

596
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: oh ship, he going league because I'm expecting, like I'm

597
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: going to school, everybody's gonna be like for to go

598
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: to the league. Nobody even really said nothing, so I'm

599
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: like a all right. Then the next week, I guess

600
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: it kind of hit everybody like, oh shit, he ain't

601
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: going He going straight to the league.

602
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: So you ain't have it like a lay reaction in Peoria.

603
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I feel like it was more

604
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 4: like people wanted to say something, but they ain't know

605
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: what to say, you know what I'm saying, Like they

606
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: ain't know how to look at me now, like damn

607
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 4: he about to go to the league. Like it was

608
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 4: almost like I was already in the league at pure

609
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 4: like I was already removed by that time, like and

610
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 4: so you know, and be honest with you, I wasn't

611
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: spending a lot of time there.

612
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: I was up in.

613
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: Chicago time like it's and now it's I'm gone, you know,

614
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 4: like I end up graduating. Like I said, I'm still

615
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: leaving school. I probably got maybe two three weeks left

616
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 4: because I declared late, maybe like not even a month

617
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 4: before pre drive. So at that time, I'm probably spending

618
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 4: four days just to go to school, you know, graduate

619
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: and I'm gone, you know, like I'm out of there.

620
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: So was that the only workout you had? Did you?

621
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: After you got the agent and stuff? Did you start

622
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: working out for teams? How many workouts I did?

623
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: About? I did about six seven.

624
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 4: All the top teams that you know was gonna draft me, Atlanta, Charlotte, Bulls,

625
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: Clippers were coming down there. You was at that workout.

626
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: He was at that workout and just pulling up. My

627
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: first workout was Ben Gordon, Devin Harris, Jamie Nelson, Royal Ivy,

628
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 4: and I think it was another guard, But I remember

629
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 4: that workout was like my welcome, like you know, my

630
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: welcome moment, like Ben Gordon was for show. The first

631
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: person was like, bust my ass. It was like, okay,

632
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: like this the boy got.

633
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: Buckets, all his shots hit all that. That's the crazy.

634
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: Ever about, like like look it up, but like being

635
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: Gordon makes them bitches.

636
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: Was all there and they used to.

637
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: Be high and he jumped so high on his jump

638
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 4: shot and he stop on a don boy, you would

639
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: tear your a c l if you wasn't.

640
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm talking about for real he was.

641
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 4: He was really like that like that shout out Ben

642
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: Gordon man like it was a real hooper. He was

643
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: up there Chicago at the runs, like just making me better,

644
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: like you know, like okay, I really got to take

645
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 4: the serious, like I don't want to get out here

646
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: and embarrass myself. Like I'm for real like about to

647
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 4: take it serious. And then remember I had to work

648
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: out with Phoenix Sons. It was just me and Jamiir

649
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: Nelson and that one had one with the with the Wizards.

650
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: Remember that's when I first ran into Tony Young. Shout

651
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: out ta like that made me better, but also too

652
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: that allowed me to show players like okay, cause you

653
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 4: know again buck fifty high school, I'm night skinned with

654
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: a fro. They man it was, man, it was just

655
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 4: a little goofy you know, like goofy dude like, but

656
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: getting out there and actually like being able to show like,

657
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 4: you know.

658
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: I'm just glad to hear that your class was actually

659
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: not hiding from the smoke because you're like and a

660
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: lot of pre draft agent. But I'm saying, like the

661
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: here that he had those workouts, you know what I'm saying,

662
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: Like after our year, we started hearing about people agents

663
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: hiding them, like not letting them work out against certain

664
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: guys like the here that he had a workout with

665
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 3: Devin Harris him, Like that's crazy already, Like those are

666
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: the top guy.

667
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: Like you the dudes doing one on ones by theyself.

668
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it was so it was trying to hunt them

669
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: matchups out, you know. And for me also too, I

670
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: felt that was normal because coming out of high school,

671
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 4: like that's what we was trying to do, Like I

672
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 4: wanted to face you know, Sebastian and you know all

673
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 4: the other top guards and so for me, Darius Washington

674
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 4: was a name, Yeah, he was a name in our class.

675
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: Ended up going to Memphis. But like being able to like, again,

676
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: we're not hiding, like we need to go against these

677
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 4: guys I need to show. I need to see what

678
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: I'm capable of. I want to match up against them

679
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: and see where I'm that. So you did work with

680
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: the workout with the Clippers though, Yeah, absolutely, we got

681
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 4: picked and we never worked out for him. Really never

682
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: worked didn't either, none of but they picked.

683
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: They had three picks that.

684
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: Year and they picked the man's first key on second,

685
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: me third, and not one of us worked out.

686
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: Elgend Baylor to the GM at the time, mother him

687
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: and Jeff Jeff Wellbon who was like the president of Orlando.

688
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: He was like the assistant. They knew what they was doing.

689
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 4: So Mike Dunlevy was the coach at the time. I

690
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 4: don't know if you play no, I played my last

691
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: last year. Listen, yeah, listen, yeah, yeah.

692
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: I fucking love Mike Nobody listen.

693
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: I love all my coaches my whole career, but not

694
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: one coach that I played for was on me. Like

695
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: Mike Dunleavy senior like fuck that bus his ass, like

696
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: you know, and he's surprised you did.

697
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: He talked like that, right, he.

698
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: Talked like that, like man, whatever you know dropped you

699
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: drive you They'll be like hey, they put they just

700
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: su look down.

701
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: Up fuck that drop it anyway. He's like bus, I'm like,

702
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: oh ship like what like.

703
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 3: That's really how he actingly talked, Bro, Like no other

704
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: ca like just for me personally my game offensively, that

705
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: motherfucker wanted me to kill everything literally every game.

706
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: And he'll gash you up, like talk to your guy,

707
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 4: he'll gash you up. And so for Mike, you know

708
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 4: me going to ABCD camp, that's where he first heard

709
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: about me because Neil O'shay who you know, wasn't.

710
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: Everybody Bill remember from here and work out to the

711
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: gs the Clippers in Portland like shout out, listen when

712
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: I first you understand, this is why you This is

713
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: why I'm telling you. They tell stories about like stories

714
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: always treat people the right way. Like this is the

715
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: dude who picked me up from the airport. You know

716
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like didn't even really have a title,

717
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: just figuring things out, just trying to do anything he

718
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: can to get on.

719
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: Remember he used had a little ship, the little shooting

720
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: ship you coming up he was working with to get

721
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: on Bro.

722
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: And then you look like he's a general manager. I

723
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: was like this, like for real, Bro, like he had

724
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: a head shot. Did you ever see his head shot?

725
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: Like for like he was trying to be an actor

726
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: at one point, like when you know man was like

727
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: that's a real story.

728
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the stories, bro, Like this is why I called

729
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: him Mahoney like from Police Academy. I used to cut

730
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: out my nickname for him. But like it wasn't like

731
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: like like we had a real cool laker, Like that's

732
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 3: a great story about like you never know who gonna

733
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: become what Like it was people that probably treated him

734
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: like whatever whatever, But like, Bro, he rose to be

735
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: a fucking general manager at two different organizations and he

736
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: spanned over like a lot of years doing.

737
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: That ship absolutely.

738
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 4: So Neil Neil saw me at ABCIT camp and told

739
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: Mike dunk Levy, you know, a there's a six seven

740
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 4: point guard coming out of high school, I'm telling you.

741
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 4: And so they ended up drafting me, but I worked

742
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 4: out for him twice because they had a second pick

743
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 4: and they ended up trading back to the fourth pick,

744
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 4: and uh, they you know, they wanted to get a

745
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: good look at me. So I ended up working out

746
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 4: for him once in Chicago, and then I came out

747
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 4: to work out with him in La And that's when

748
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: when I seen you out there.

749
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: And the crazy shit is like I'm never for the

750
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: workout right. Then you fast forward to like boom, they

751
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: draft him, so then he get drafted and then I

752
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: do free agency and leave he like bro. Luckily Corey

753
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: was still you know, see him was still there, but

754
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: he was like that's how you're doing me?

755
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: Like what the fuck? Like that was wild?

756
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: How was the draft process of going to the draft

757
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: with your family everybody seeing you walk up on stage

758
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: and shake the hand, getting prepared.

759
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: For your suit and all this stuff.

760
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: Man, Like I know you watched drafts before that and

761
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: seeing guys get draft years after year after year, but

762
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: now it show turn. How was that to see your

763
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: family be there and just be happy for you and

764
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: it's all a surreal moment.

765
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: It was just you know, it was a culmination of

766
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 4: the journey you know Pops, Like I say, all the

767
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 4: stories of him taking me to the playground and to

768
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 4: hoop and play, and all the tournaments, all the sweat

769
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: equity that you put in. You know, you get drafted,

770
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: it's like damn, like I'm really here, you know, like wow,

771
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 4: this is you know, I'm up on stage in front

772
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: of you know, in front of everybody, So it was

773
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 4: it was a special moment. I was just in the moment.

774
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 4: I didn't know, you know, where I was going to go.

775
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: But you know, at the time, I figured, I figured

776
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 4: I was going to be a top you know, ten pick.

777
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: You know, that's that's kind of in my mind where

778
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 4: I was. I was looking being projected. You ain't had

779
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 4: no idea Clippers or Charlotte. That was kind of where

780
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: I thought. But you just never know. You got all

781
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: these trades during the draft, you got all these things

782
00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 4: that happened.

783
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was it was surreal one your year.

784
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 4: Dwight Howard, Okay, Dwight Howard and Mecca Oka for Ben

785
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: Gordon and you at Foe and Devin Harrison.

786
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: Fine, yeah night getting point gud Yeah, yeah, you was early.

787
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: You ain't have to sit down along and they got

788
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: you out there, yes, sir, yes, sir.

789
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: So now you go to Lila Land. You in l A.

790
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: Have you ever been to l A before that?

791
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: Nah?

792
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: That was my first time. That was my first time

793
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: when I went out there for the workout. Okay, when

794
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 4: I came out there. But you know, a lot of

795
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 4: stories and just you know, having having the vets, having

796
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 4: the vets, be able to cry me. You know, young fella,

797
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: sit down. So I was you know, I felt like

798
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: I was well equipped when.

799
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: You got there and you just you started getting your

800
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: groove your rookie year and started kind of playing and

801
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: seeing where where you was at.

802
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: How did you feel like you hold it up? I

803
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: feel like you're like, oh, yeah, I'm ready for that.

804
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: Looking back, I wish I would have been more of

805
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 4: aggressive and like, you know, like I really belong here because,

806
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: like I say, I was headed to college. So in

807
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 4: my mind, you know, like I'm a project.

808
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: You know.

809
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 4: They drifted me all potential a lot of the times

810
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 4: in high school, like in the whole wave, that was

811
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 4: what you were seeing, guys. Oh in three four years,

812
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 4: he's gonna be you know, like that was the you

813
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 4: know that that was kind of.

814
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: The mindset doing your own. I got time. So I

815
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: got a little time, you know, first year.

816
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 4: Okay, but let me just you know, get in the

817
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 4: weight room, let me get stronger, pump smart, like you know,

818
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: learn the game. But once I got there, I was like, man,

819
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 4: like a couple of guys that I thought was gonna

820
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 4: be nice like that you know I keep up like

821
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: you know, like.

822
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I used to love watching you when you

823
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: first came in, and I used to love how you

824
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: used to just post up or just shoot right over

825
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: a little ass guards.

826
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: I was like, he sounds like you.

827
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: It's sound like when he came in, he was on

828
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 3: the same ship. What he'd just see you was acting

829
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: like that.

830
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: Well I couldn't act like that because I had y'all

831
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: with me. I had this is what I'm saying, prime example.

832
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: I argue you that probably more so Year one, but

833
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: I still felt like, like you understand, you know him,

834
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: in his heart he loved l so it was a

835
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 3: part of him. He would go at him and bust

836
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: his ass. I felt like he could do more. Prime example.

837
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: And you know what I'm trying the truth. Were driving

838
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: up Year two, were driving up the training camp from

839
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: we played training CAUs in Palm spring We driving from

840
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: LA to Palm Springs.

841
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: Whole way. What I'm telling you, fuck that now. I

842
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: love that Lo too. I love him. Look hey, he

843
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 2: like man.

844
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: He tells, you know, they gonna start at me. I say,

845
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck. You better serve notice that

846
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: this this ship is being given.

847
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: And it ain't gonna last long. I'm gonna take this ship.

848
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 2: I would go everybody killed everybody.

849
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way because our second team killed

850
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: them all the time. And then when second team I

851
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: never mesched up with l It was always Corey going

852
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: low because I played the four right.

853
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: Right, you know what I'm saying. So I never could

854
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: really was and at the time for me, like see,

855
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, you've left. And if if I

856
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: would have had.

857
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 4: A little bit more of that gas, I felt like

858
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: my foot on the gas a little bit harder, like

859
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 4: even you know, even though no, no, you see what

860
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, but okay, Bobby Simmons, I had Corey mcghetty,

861
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 4: you know, like the Chicago guys. Yeah, they was you know,

862
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: they like all right, young fella, like come on, man like,

863
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: but it was different. It wasn't as aggressive, you know,

864
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 4: like it was just like come on.

865
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was aggressive, like we was no

866
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: holes ball, especially for him because he wouldn't let me

867
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: not play.

868
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, let me go hard, right.

869
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: So we went hard every single time, Like the second

870
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: squad used to beat the first team ass every day

871
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: every year, like two years in the row, we was

872
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: whopping the ass and that was it was a little

873
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: bit of anthimogic because were like ship the second squad

874
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: need to start because we were sucking them up every

875
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: Do you.

876
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 4: Feel like that caused the vision with the team a

877
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 4: little bit because of that, because it's like we we better.

878
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 4: We wouldn't win, bro because it was it was truthfully,

879
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: that's why we couldn't win, because it was because the chemistry.

880
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: And I talked to Alvin Gentry about this at that time.

881
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 3: If we'd have got the avone Gentry that could coach

882
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: the coach Phoenix, we'd have been different. Gentry wasn't ready

883
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 3: for that shit yet he was still in his If

884
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: Q played Corey, don't play. If Corey played Q, don't

885
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: play like he ain't know how to like let everybody.

886
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: That made everybody be in everybody neck all day long.

887
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: Even if we even though we was tight, it was like,

888
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: that's why why you think? Like boy?

889
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: It was times and prices like legit you asked Corey

890
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: Eldon Bayley had to separate us. I remember hearing the

891
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: store the year after we was about to fucking go

892
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: like and that was partially why.

893
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 2: I left because it was like to make a decision.

894
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: No, we all could have stayed, but it just wasn't

895
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: to me, it didn't seem healthy. It was like Bobby

896
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: was emerging. It was like, if I leave, it's perfect

897
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: for they clean it.

898
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: That's the third year I'm talking about the first two

899
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: years there. I was that it was still but it wasn't. Really.

900
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just because you're not amongst us, but not

901
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: amongst us because we fresh and all us fresh in

902
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: the league, so we really wasn't giving the animosity towards

903
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: each other.

904
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't even think. I don't like the word animosity.

905
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like that competitive, that competition, but that's

906
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: what But.

907
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like it was because like like

908
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: he said, it wasn't like unhealthy.

909
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying because what he didn't get

910
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: to see is once we got to that year three

911
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: and now we're playing, but it's still that same competitiveness,

912
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: and that was what inside of me was like, Yeah,

913
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 3: this would make everything just cool if I go here,

914
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 3: that's still that we still solid. They don't get to

915
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: be worse than it is because it was bubbling it

916
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: would be a ball to a head once something in

917
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: the games it was it was go time. It's like

918
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 3: you already you say, how fifty play?

919
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: You know how I play? That's gonna automatically something like Bro,

920
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying.

921
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: And to this day that's my bro and I love

922
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: him to death and I'm glad that I feel like

923
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 3: that made it still be able to be the way

924
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: it was because it.

925
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: Never got nowhere further that competition.

926
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: Bro.

927
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: We used to I'm about fifty, move Elgin out like Bro,

928
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: we was going at it. Bro.

929
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: Elge came and down I'm talking about you already know

930
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: spawned fifty the nature boy muscles in your neck.

931
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: Boy, I'm talking about he took.

932
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: Elgin and moved him with one hand to the side

933
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: so fast where everybody and the way he did it

934
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 3: was so aggressive, and you already know me and him

935
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: ain't ain't no bad. Everybody running up and then fifty

936
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: were good, were good, like boy, we sixth grade were good.

937
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: Ain't nothing like get the fuck back and like on

938
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: curse where y'all was practicing at this when we was

939
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: at spectrum right then, this is right before. Remember you

940
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: can't y'alls as Spectrum and then y'all eventually got whatever.

941
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: That was like the first real step up from Southwest.

942
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: Do y'all have a practiced Southwest community?

943
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: No, that's what we started. That's what oges story. I

944
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 4: try to tell people about that story.

945
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the origin story I expected.

946
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: That was like, even though it was like sixty seven

947
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: year olds trying to ask out the workout and ship.

948
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: Getting their proting safe, we still was like, that was

949
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: still better than what we had. He was Southwest College

950
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: straight off the back, were riding through the kids, was

951
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: coking a little back.

952
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: I got a real documentity about the Clippers story about like, bro,

953
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 3: we couldn't even take showers at the PROC.

954
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: Couldn't do it. Shower shout for sure? For real? Sam?

955
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: When you got there? Who Sam?

956
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 4: He came a year after Yeah, yeah, a year before him.

957
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: So I was at Southwest. We was at Spectrum by

958
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 4: the time he got there full time.

959
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: So what did you learn from Sam? Because I like

960
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: that combination of y'all, like he started you come off

961
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: the bench. I feel like you took another step up

962
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: once Sam got on the team, and he was just

963
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: telling us how he changed to be a leader, how

964
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: he was getting the guys, how he feel like he had.

965
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: To treat Chris came in a certain way to get him. Yeah,

966
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: you know, to play at the highest level.

967
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: But you learned from Sam being on the take of

968
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: that boy, Sam is he killed your favorite point guard.

969
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: One and you know Sam loud. You know, he come

970
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 4: in like yeah, like y'all that like you know that

971
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: was his swag, Baltimore. You know, like he just he

972
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 4: brought a different swag and he made you uncomfortable where

973
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 4: you had to play, like you had to show up.

974
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 4: But I'll be honest, like Sam, No, like at that time,

975
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: I felt like, damn, y'all drafted me to be the

976
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: starting point guard and y'all brought him in like I'm

977
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: finna kill him in practice, show y'all.

978
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: But he was one of them guys.

979
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 4: He didn't care about no damn practice like seven thirty

980
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: come up like he read he said, seven come. But

981
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 4: practice he wasn't on, Like he ain't come on. He's

982
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: wearing his sweats. He probably playing one on one before practice,

983
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 4: like you know, he talking. He just had a different

984
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 4: energy about him. But smart point guard. But he you know,

985
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: all the practice, like all the X and O's okay,

986
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 4: like I'll be ready to come tonight. But come seven thirty,

987
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 4: he flipping that switch on. You know, he getting to

988
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 4: his spot, He talking to you, he cussing out the ref,

989
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 4: He cussing out dun Levy. You know what I'm saying,

990
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 4: talking to everybody, everybody he on the refs like that

991
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 4: was Sam. So I learned a lot from him just

992
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: about like how to run a team and how to

993
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 4: you know, like he gave energy to guys similar how

994
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 4: you was, you know, talking to d Miles, Like he

995
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 4: had that in him where it's like, come on, what

996
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 4: you waiting on, Like let's go, you know, And he

997
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 4: showed me how to run a team, you know, and

998
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 4: always like he was never afraid of the moment. He

999
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 4: you know, like he went the rock like give it

1000
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 4: to me, y'all get out the way, like I'm gonna

1001
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 4: get to my spot, and watching him how to lead.

1002
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: He had his own style.

1003
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 4: I think it war on people if you wasn't a

1004
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 4: certain type, you know, like you see what I'm saying,

1005
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 4: like it'll wear on you, you know, Like we got

1006
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 4: into it a couple of times during the game. But again,

1007
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 4: it all come from a place of competition and want

1008
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 4: to win, you know, like love don't want to win,

1009
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: you don't love it, get out the way, you know.

1010
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 4: And I respected that, and you gotta respect it. And

1011
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 4: so like, I learned a lot from Sam those couple

1012
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 4: of years that I was with him. He taught me

1013
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 4: a lot, just again how to control the game, time

1014
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: and score possessions, you know, like man when to take

1015
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: over the game, like just hitting timely shots. You know,

1016
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: team going to run, he comes, Okay, we got to

1017
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 4: get a bucket. Just learning watching them from the bench,

1018
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 4: watching how you move, and just just his energy was infectuous.

1019
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 4: He was definitely a big mentor for me at that stage.

1020
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: So you trending up and you're getting better and better

1021
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: every year, and then your injury come right like one

1022
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: of the worst in most you've seen in the NBA history.

1023
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: I God, damn, I had tears in my eyes when

1024
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: I was watching that. And just knowing you and knowing

1025
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: your ability and knowing how.

1026
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: You training up.

1027
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: Just take us back to that day, the injury and

1028
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: the doctor's time out they might need to amputate your

1029
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: leg and all that stuff.

1030
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's it's documented, but It's

1031
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 4: one of those things where you can't really prepare for

1032
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 4: it and just timing.

1033
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: You just never know.

1034
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 4: That's why I try to tell young fellas like, man,

1035
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 4: take it serious because you just don't know. And especially

1036
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 4: a lot of young fellas too, Like I feel like

1037
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 4: that's the thing now where when I came in, it

1038
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 4: was vets. I'm sure when y'all came in, it was

1039
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 4: a lot of vets. It was a lot of guys

1040
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 4: over thirty.

1041
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: You know, fifty years.

1042
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 4: Five, you know, and so like you found a lot

1043
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 4: of these guys and you know, guys making a lot,

1044
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 4: you know, like the Max guys or whatever, and they

1045
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 4: got their own way, you know, doing things. But you

1046
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 4: know that don't mean that should be your way because

1047
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: you never know when your time is up. Like, you

1048
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 4: got to really take it serious soon as you get

1049
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 4: in and really establish yourself. You may it's one thing

1050
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 4: to make it to the league, but then once you

1051
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: make it, you start all over and I don't nobody

1052
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 4: care about you was a second pick, third pill. Like

1053
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 4: that's great, but like I'm finna, you know, like start

1054
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 4: from scratch, Start from scratch, like this high eat you

1055
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying. So had that mentality and take

1056
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 4: it serious as a professional because you never know, because

1057
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 4: for me, you know, the sky was the limit all

1058
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 4: this potential. I'm starting to realize some of that potential

1059
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 4: year three, you know, like the stats and who I'm

1060
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: going up against, and just you know, really like feeling

1061
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: myself like okay, like I could be an All Star

1062
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 4: one day. I can you know, like I could have

1063
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 4: you know, a fifteen you know year career and win

1064
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 4: a championship, be a starting guard, all these things. So

1065
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 4: you know, just like that, it was taken away from

1066
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 4: a standpoint of you know, the severity of the injury.

1067
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 4: You know, you're talking amputation, You're talking about do I

1068
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 4: got nerve?

1069
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: Damn? Is you talking about? You know, like am I

1070
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: gonna play basketball again? All these things? Like what you mean?

1071
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: I've been playing since I was That's all I know, right,

1072
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 4: no college degree? Right, what I'm falling back on? What

1073
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 4: else I'm gonna do? All the real world things start

1074
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 4: coming you see what I'm saying to my mental So

1075
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: now I'm looking I'm like all right, like you know,

1076
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: I got a long hil to climb, you know, like

1077
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 4: I can't. You got too probably a week or two

1078
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 4: before surgery, where I'm you know, feeling sorry for myself,

1079
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 4: why me, all this, all this stuff? And then after

1080
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 4: that it's like, all right, well, I just got to

1081
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 4: put the work in, you know, Like I don't know

1082
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 4: what kind of player I'm gonna be. I don't know

1083
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 4: if I'm gonna make it back in the league. I

1084
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 4: got a year on my contract at the time. I

1085
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 4: missed the whole year, my last year with the Clippers.

1086
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 4: It's my fourth year in the league. Shot out the

1087
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 4: whole season. Pretty much everybody writing you off. You done

1088
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like it's a rap. Yeah, they don't

1089
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 4: pick up the option. So I ended up going to

1090
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 4: Miami because I just need a fresh start. I don't

1091
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 4: play basketball the whole year. You know, I'm just now

1092
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 4: coming back. It was tough, man, because you just battling

1093
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 4: yourself every day like you're not you know, like you said, competition,

1094
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 4: like you get a rise. I'm going against him today.

1095
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 4: I'm about to go. You don't get none of that.

1096
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 4: It's you against you. You're going to physical therapy. I'm

1097
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 4: going six days a week. I got to learn how

1098
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: to walk again. I got to learn how to I'm

1099
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: already skinny. You know, I lost all the muscle I

1100
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: had in my leg. You know, I'm looking like, damn.

1101
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: When you first got the injury, when you first looked,

1102
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: like what did you think?

1103
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 4: First off, I had been injured before I dislocated my

1104
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 4: other knee. So I'm thinking like I'm gonna be all right,

1105
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm gonna be cool. I've been injured before.

1106
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 4: Like I'm not thinking the severity of it, Like everything

1107
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 4: I did to it, it was, you know, like a

1108
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 4: car accident, like it was real trauma. You know, my

1109
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 4: leg all this, you know, bobulated and you know, disfigured.

1110
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 4: So again once the doctors actually told me, and it's

1111
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 4: really like you know, sinking in that. You know, we

1112
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 4: never dealt with the injury like this. We don't know

1113
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 4: what your timetable is gonna be. We don't know what

1114
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 4: kind of you know, how long it's going to be.

1115
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 4: It could be eight months, it could be two years,

1116
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 4: you know, Like I'm like, what you mean usually it's

1117
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 4: four to six, right, Like that's that's what you hear,

1118
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 4: Like six day, you know what I'm saying, Like that's

1119
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to grasp on, and they not giving

1120
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 4: me that, And that's that's the hard part.

1121
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: When you in the dark.

1122
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 4: Now, all the doubt and all the mental you know,

1123
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 4: all the depression, all all that starts sinking in if

1124
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 4: you let it, you know. So it's like keeping that

1125
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 4: energy around me. I had good people around me, and

1126
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 4: my brother Arthur Jones, you know, he moved out with

1127
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 4: me to La like every day like just man sitting

1128
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 4: down reading the Bible, like just you know, just just

1129
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 4: pouring good energy into me, keeping me up beat, keeping

1130
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 4: me optimistic, so I can actually believe that I can

1131
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 4: come back. That's where it's starting the mind. Telling a

1132
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 4: lot of guys like it's starting the mind. You gotta

1133
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 4: believe it, you know. And I'm not a guru or anything,

1134
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 4: but just like again, going through it once you're able

1135
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 4: to like get past some of those friction points. I

1136
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 4: remember the first time I rode the bike for the

1137
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 4: first time, I got tears running down my minds because again,

1138
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 4: the emotional journey that you're carrying trying to get over

1139
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 4: the hump. You're like, damn, okay, maybe I really can

1140
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 4: come back, like you're thinking it's going to be taken

1141
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 4: away from you. So that's my message to the young

1142
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 4: fellas like, yo, man, it's it ain't promise like you know,

1143
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 4: like you wake up you can win meal. That's cool,

1144
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 4: but it ain't gonna you know, Like you know what

1145
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like take it serious.

1146
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: I had three on this knee, two on this knee.

1147
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: And you know, every time I see a guy have

1148
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: an injury that they gotta go through, I just know

1149
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: the mental fight you gotta have with yourself every single day,

1150
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: the perseverance.

1151
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: To not quit.

1152
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: You love it so much so that will keep you

1153
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: from not quitting. But if it takes so long, like

1154
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 1: you was a journeyman, you went to team after team.

1155
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: This team didn't believe, that team didn't believe.

1156
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: They don't know.

1157
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: Like when I seen d Rose Man, I was happy

1158
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: when he got back he scored fifty with Minnesota because

1159
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: I know the mental strain that he went through to

1160
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: even get back to that point, seeing PG after he

1161
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: thene broke it sin to even see him get back

1162
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: to the point where man, he just made two hundred

1163
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: and fourteen million dollars for five years. They don't know,

1164
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: like you see it on TV, but you don't know

1165
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: the mental like your mental health be really your mind

1166
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: be playing so many tricks on you because you can

1167
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: go to a gym three months in a row and

1168
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: you feel like you ain't gained a muscle or strength.

1169
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: That's a buck, that's that's real at all, And it's

1170
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: still don't feel one hundred percent right or the same

1171
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: way it was before you got hurt. But I know

1172
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: you went into a bunch of teams, a bunch of teams,

1173
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: but you finally got to Brooklyn and they believed in

1174
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: you and got a chance, and you showed what you did.

1175
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: How was it going to like.

1176
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: Six seventeen doing ten days, signed a one year deal,

1177
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: you get a DA League and then you know, you

1178
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: finally get to Brooklyn and something kind of click where

1179
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: it's like, oh shit, we can put him in these

1180
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: minutes and he can give us these solid minutes and

1181
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: they believed in you.

1182
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: I was there. Tell us about that.

1183
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 4: Journey man again, the emotional journey of like climbing, you know,

1184
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 4: like the you know, the setback, like you go to

1185
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 4: this team, you get waved you and then again knowing

1186
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 4: in the back of your mind what kind of player

1187
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: that you was, you know, and that you you feel

1188
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 4: like it's like you're still trying to be that player.

1189
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 4: But now I got to shift my mindset, like okay,

1190
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 4: I got to figure out how I can be effective.

1191
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 4: I can't be as athletic as I used to be,

1192
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 4: and so you know, all of those different things can

1193
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 4: you know cloud your mind when you're trying to beat

1194
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 4: something that is just your body not letting you, letting

1195
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 4: you do So for me, it's like all right, i Q,

1196
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 4: I know the game. Let me figure out where I

1197
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 4: can be effective. Let me figure out how I could

1198
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 4: You know, this player they signed him to get twenty

1199
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 4: thirty at night, like I'm gonna find ways to get

1200
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 4: him going. You see what I'm saying, like certain things

1201
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 4: to you know, Okay, now he want to get me

1202
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:33,959
Speaker 4: the ball. As soon as he get the rebound, boom

1203
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 4: we out, like, you know, just being able to manipulate

1204
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 4: the game in that way to where I could be

1205
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 4: effective and show coaches, show teams that you know, you

1206
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 4: know like yeah, I'm good. And to the health part

1207
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 4: that was always in the back of the mind, like

1208
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 4: is he really healthy? Like is his knee all? Because

1209
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 4: you know, like I still was going through that. Yeah,

1210
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 4: as you get that, I got to carry the game

1211
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 4: ready with me wherever I go.

1212
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 3: They go.

1213
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm right after speak about that because I was telling

1214
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: people like.

1215
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 2: It's like you got kids on your leg.

1216
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: This is every day, Like I gotta get up, I

1217
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: gotta make sure I'm icing, I gotta make sure I'm stretching.

1218
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: I gotta make sure. It's like a part of your

1219
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: life now that's attached on your body.

1220
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a whole nother person that you gotta take

1221
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: care of that they don't even understand. Like like it's

1222
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: not like before where it's like a man I ice

1223
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: when I get to the crib. Now it's a whole

1224
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: routine every single day to take care of your body

1225
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: just to get out there and play the minutes that

1226
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: you want to play, just to.

1227
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 4: Play those you know that might be fifteen minutes, you

1228
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like I'm at thirty, you know,

1229
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 4: like playing you know all those different stops I'm playing

1230
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 4: at like I'm a fringe guy. I'm signing ten day

1231
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 4: contracts like you know, I might get in, you know,

1232
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 4: towards the end. I hate saying garbage time because you

1233
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 4: know those minutes matter, young fellas. You know, like everybody

1234
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 4: watching still, you know, so it's like I got to

1235
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: make the most of the those minutes. But even those

1236
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 4: those little minutes, my kniee swelling up, like you know,

1237
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 4: I got a dumb bell baby right like damn, I'm

1238
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 4: already skinny, like carried around extra fluid. So you know,

1239
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 4: I can't skip the weights. I can't skip you know,

1240
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 4: ice and the treatments, all the treatments. I gotta go

1241
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 4: and do all. You know, I gotta be there for that.

1242
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 4: I gotta be there early, you know. So all of

1243
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 4: that again, the mindset at twenty one twenty two allowed

1244
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 4: me to you know, I gotta be a pro. You

1245
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying, Like now I'm learning how to

1246
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 4: be a pro. Can't just show up and all right,

1247
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 4: let's who brow it out. Now, you got to get there,

1248
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 4: get your stretching in. You got to get there, get

1249
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 4: your shots in, you know, like you should be sweating

1250
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 4: low key before practice. You see what I'm saying, like

1251
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 4: ready to go. So that for me, you know, was

1252
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 4: a journey. By the time I got to Brooklyn, my

1253
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 4: body had actually come around, you know what I'm saying,

1254
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 4: Like I'm twenty eight, twenty seven, twenty eight, you had.

1255
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: To put five six years to build everything.

1256
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 4: Up from twenty six to twenty seven. You know, I

1257
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 4: signed a couple of deals, you know, but I got

1258
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 4: waived at that time. But I really put myself through

1259
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 4: probably the most strenuous work that I could have. I'm

1260
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 4: working out in Miami. Found a trainer. He a football

1261
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 4: guy working out football players. I'm doing all that slid

1262
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,439
Speaker 4: and you know, all all the football workouts in the heat,

1263
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 4: you know, down there, you know it's a hundred degrees

1264
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 4: outside no ac I'm like really going through it, you know,

1265
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 4: running in the sand, Sam Pitts. Really you know, strenuous,

1266
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 4: probably in the best shape that I ever been in,

1267
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 4: really taking it serious in my body at that age,

1268
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 4: with all the time that it had, all the work

1269
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 4: that I put into it finally came around where I'm

1270
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 4: getting on some of.

1271
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: That quick twitch back.

1272
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying, Like I'm catching oops, dunking

1273
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 4: Like damn, this feel a little bit like the old men.

1274
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 4: So twenty seven played with Cleveland Bybrann Scott gave me

1275
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 4: a chance, ended up playing against j Kidd his last

1276
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 4: year with the Knicks. Right, So damn young felt Okay,

1277
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 4: I see you keep working like like your journey you

1278
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 4: know respect what you went through. He get the job

1279
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 4: next year at Brooklyn, so he come get me, you know, like, nah,

1280
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 4: I want Sean Livingston, you know, be will the starting guard.

1281
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 4: They do the whole trade with Boston at the time,

1282
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 4: Like no, you know I want I want Sean, He

1283
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 4: come get me.

1284
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: Ask you this because later on I used to be

1285
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: scared to get on the bike because I didn't want

1286
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: them to look like dang, he gotta do all lists

1287
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: to just get out there and get on.

1288
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: The on the floor, because you know how you got

1289
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: you gotta stay lose. I was.

1290
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: I was kind of spool because like it felt like

1291
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: they was looking at me like damn, he gotta go

1292
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: through a whole thing, because like you know how the

1293
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: game start, you're not starting, so the game start you

1294
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: in the tunnel.

1295
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: You just on the bike, on the bike, and it's

1296
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: like you don't see me on the bench. Like I

1297
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: felt like coach was looking down and looking for me

1298
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: and look see me on the bike like nah, get him.

1299
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That's how I kind of

1300
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: felt in a certain situations when I was coming.

1301
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 4: To understand bro like going to the D League, like

1302
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 4: I'm carrying my bags to the game. You see what

1303
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,439
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like I'm carrying my shoes to the game.

1304
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 4: Like to be humbled in that way, you know, like

1305
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 4: the only thing I told them, you know, like I

1306
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 4: pay for my own room. I ain't gonna I don't

1307
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 4: want them you what I'm said, but to be you know,

1308
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 4: humbled at that level for me, again, the mindset shift

1309
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 4: you not him, no more so. I gotta really, like

1310
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 4: you know, put myself in a category to where it's

1311
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 4: like like, na, whatever I gotta do to play, that's

1312
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 4: what I'm gonna do.

1313
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 2: And that's what it was.

1314
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 3: Tell me this, like you said, after all those years

1315
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: and the long journey, like you played career high seventy

1316
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 3: six games that season, you had the third most minutes

1317
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 3: on the team, Like like fuck everybody else and what

1318
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 3: they like for you and your own man, how rewarding

1319
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 3: was that for you personally, Like, because nobody else went

1320
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 3: through it like you, everybody could make opinions and be like, hey,

1321
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 3: you did a good job. You probably like how proud

1322
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 3: of yourself were you for getting to that point and

1323
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 3: achieving that?

1324
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1325
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 4: No, I was, like I deserved it, you know, regardless

1326
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 4: of what the outcome is like I you know, like

1327
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 4: I deserve this, you know, like I always pride it. Again,

1328
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 4: I play to win. I played for the team. I

1329
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 4: want team success. But individually for me, it was like

1330
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 4: that was another milestone that was something to wear again,

1331
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 4: like I went in, I earned the respectue know what

1332
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 4: I'm saying, and to lead, you know, like I earned it.

1333
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 4: This wasn't given to me, like I own no handouts,

1334
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 4: you know nothing. So for me again that that's rewarding

1335
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 4: in itself, regardless of any you know, rewards or you know,

1336
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 4: any articles of what media say, Like I know, the

1337
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 4: work that I put in to get here, to get

1338
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 4: to this point, and so that can't never be taken away,

1339
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying.

1340
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: So that was special for me. And then to do

1341
01:04:58,760 --> 01:04:59,479
Speaker 2: it with the team.

1342
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 4: You know, it was some hall of famers on the team,

1343
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 4: like you know, you got ticket, you got Paul like

1344
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 4: d Wells, Joe Johnson like you know, these mad guys.

1345
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 4: But again the journey that I went through, they respected

1346
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 4: it cause you know, it ain't like I ain't got

1347
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 4: to talk about it like I showed you you know,

1348
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 4: and you're seeing it. So that again it is rewarding

1349
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 4: in that way.

1350
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: After that season, for Golden State to offer you a

1351
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: three year deal, how did that feel to finally get

1352
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: where you like, all right, I got a deal. I

1353
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: know I'm fing to be here for the next three

1354
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: year unless they traded, but I know I'm gonna be

1355
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: in the league.

1356
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That was like max

1357
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: money to me straight up to go to the Bay

1358
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: and get that deal like that was yeah, that was it.

1359
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they playoff team they right there? Yeah cusp,

1360
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 4: they just lost to the Clippers seven games. Yeah, you

1361
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 4: got the splash. Bros really like making their name like

1362
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 4: they coming Mark Jack and already and made the declaration

1363
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 4: the best shooters are all time. You know.

1364
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, so now people paying attention. I just

1365
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: again that.

1366
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 4: Played seventy six games. I wanted to play a full season.

1367
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 4: That for me, I wanted to get to the playoffs,

1368
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 4: and then I wanted to win a championship. Those were

1369
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 4: the steps for me. Like individually, All Star, I wasn't

1370
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 4: you know, like all the wards all that.

1371
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: It was.

1372
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 4: It was more about like playing being out there on

1373
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 4: the court doing what I love to do. Then playing

1374
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 4: at a high level, you know, in the playoff basketball,

1375
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 4: that's different basketball. You know, I'm playing all these sorry

1376
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 4: teams to get to the Brooklyn you know, and then

1377
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 4: to go to Golden State where okay, this is a

1378
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 4: playoff roster, like they expected to do something. I like that,

1379
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm like, okay, I get to be

1380
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 4: in the playoffs and really show people because that's where

1381
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 4: you can really see who is who in the playoffs,

1382
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 4: you know, like with the team, like with the players,

1383
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 4: and so we didn't think we was gonna win a

1384
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 4: championship our first year, but the expectation of being Okay,

1385
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 4: now I'm on a competitive team, like it matter now,

1386
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 4: people watching these games matter, We on TV all this.

1387
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 2: You know, that's where I wanted to be. You signed

1388
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: that deal, but you had to have surgery. Did that

1389
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: surgery scare you? Yeah? I had to have that surgery.

1390
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1391
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 2: I still made the home opener and play. Absolutely. I

1392
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 2: don't know that I got anything you went through, and

1393
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: it's like, damn, I gotta get this.

1394
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 4: You should have seen the physical that I did just

1395
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 4: to get the deal done. Though I was stressing because

1396
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 4: you know, I played on a broken toe whatever in

1397
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 4: the playoffs. You know, you do what you gotta do,

1398
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 4: but to you know, you got to take the physical

1399
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 4: in order to get the contract. You know, the team

1400
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 4: will tell you. The trainers. Boy, I was like, I

1401
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 4: was in there shaking, trying to you know, pass the physical.

1402
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 4: They got me doing lunges and my toe and I'm like,

1403
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 4: cause I'm thinking, I'm like, damn, I'm finna fail the

1404
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 4: physical not get this deal. They don't not have a

1405
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 4: chance to play with the you know, competitive team. Now

1406
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to figure it out to be the

1407
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 4: journey man. So in my mind again just coming from

1408
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 4: where I'm coming from, this is another pinnacle. This is

1409
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 4: another step, another hurdle where I'm trying to climb over.

1410
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 4: After all I just did in that season, Yeah, through

1411
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 4: the playoffs and everything showed you that I can play

1412
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 4: at this level. And now I don't know if I'm

1413
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 4: a pass this damn physical.

1414
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 2: But I need this money. Yeah, man, I understand that.

1415
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: Man, You're going there because man, so much stuff you

1416
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 1: got to prove at the injury because you in that box.

1417
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 2: And I had to take my deal.

1418
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 4: Every deal I'm taking at the time is last year,

1419
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 4: non guaranteed because of the that we want to say,

1420
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 4: is healthy? See can he play all these games? So

1421
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 4: ain't no player options for me? They can't even negotiate that.

1422
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 4: I'm with a good agent and everything. But that was

1423
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 4: just kind of the situation I was in. I was

1424
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 4: the box, like you said, I was put in.

1425
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: When did you realize the group that you with was

1426
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: a special group once you got to go man out

1427
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: the gate.

1428
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 4: I made the home opener. I sat out pretty much

1429
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 4: the whole preseason. Made the opener. I'm starting off slow,

1430
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 4: and I'm coming off the bench. I was starting in Brooklyn.

1431
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 4: I'm kind of, you know, a little salty, like you know,

1432
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 4: I'm playing maybe twelve minutes, eleven minutes, like you know,

1433
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 4: this feeling like the old thing like where I'm I'm like, man,

1434
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 4: you know, like I ain't used to this. I need

1435
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 4: to be playing more. But I start out slow, but

1436
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 4: the team is winning. We get to November, they run

1437
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 4: off probably twelve games in a row. I'm like, wait

1438
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 4: a minute, this ain't normal. You know in the league,

1439
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 4: you might win, you know, two games, lose a game,

1440
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 4: lose two games, run off three or four games. But

1441
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 4: they ran off like twelve games in a row. Like, man,

1442
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 4: this is you know, like they running through teams too,

1443
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 4: you know, twenty beating them by twenty. I'm like, this

1444
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 4: is you know, like this tag, Yeah, they run, you know.

1445
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 4: And so they've been together too. That five is starting five,

1446
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 4: like they've been together. They insert Draymond to the starting lineup,

1447
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 4: you know, team just start taking off. So I'm like, man,

1448
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 4: we get into December, I'm looking, I'm like, I've never

1449
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 4: really been on a twelve game winning streak. I played

1450
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 4: ten years. I've never been on this type of winning

1451
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 4: street before. Like this is different, you know what I'm saying.

1452
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 4: So I think once we got to December, seeing how

1453
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 4: we was playing. We number one in the West, you

1454
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 4: know the rankers. I've never been on the team that

1455
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 4: won in the West. You see what I'm saying. All

1456
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 4: this is new to me because you know, the teams

1457
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,879
Speaker 4: I've been on, we weren't that good. Even the Clippers,

1458
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 4: we was middle of the pack. So that to me

1459
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 4: where I was like, okay, like this it's definitely something

1460
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 4: special here. Watching how Stephen Clay got hot, watching them

1461
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 4: put teams away, you know, damn there in the third quarter.

1462
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 4: You know, I'm like, this is an elite team, you know,

1463
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 4: like they're not good. They elite, Like we one of

1464
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 4: the best teams in the NBA. So just off of

1465
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 4: that alone, we got a chance to win this, you know,

1466
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 4: Like so.

1467
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: It made you change your mindset on what you had

1468
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 2: to bring there you go.

1469
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 4: So now I'm like, okay again Steph Clay, like watching

1470
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 4: them what they doing, you know, watching what Steph is doing.

1471
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 4: He in the MVP conversations, he running off thirties, you know,

1472
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 4: like he one of those guys you know, like he

1473
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 4: So I'm like, all right, you know, like I need

1474
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 4: to be a star in my role, you know what

1475
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like I need to bring what am I

1476
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 4: gonna bring to the table?

1477
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 2: You know that's different.

1478
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 4: Okay, every time them guys went to the bench last year,

1479
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 4: and I knew that from playing in Brooklyn the year before,

1480
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 4: the team kind of give up the lead, you see

1481
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like they have increased the lead and

1482
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 4: then put the bench in, they kind of get a

1483
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 4: little back. You know, you got to put them in early.

1484
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,879
Speaker 4: They can't rest as long. Okay, we need to extend

1485
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 4: that or hold the line at least. And so that's

1486
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 4: kind of that was our notion, Like no felas like

1487
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 4: we're gonna hold the line. At least we're gonna you know,

1488
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 4: this ain't when team's gonna get the one up on us. Like,

1489
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 4: let's make sure that we do our job. This is

1490
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 4: our job, right They going to the bench, all right, boom,

1491
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 4: We're gonna come and we're gonna play the right way.

1492
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,759
Speaker 4: We're gonna make sure we do all the little things,

1493
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 4: like defensively, we're gonna box out, you know, we're gonna

1494
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 4: get these loose balls, all the things that win games.

1495
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 4: We're gonna do the things in the margins, you know

1496
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like we might not be able to

1497
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 4: get thirty you know, like every night like these guys,

1498
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 4: but we're gonna bring something to the team to where

1499
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 4: like we're gonna be stars in our role. And I

1500
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 4: think from that standpoint too, when you start having that mentality,

1501
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 4: like you said earlier, Q, it's hard when you don't

1502
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 4: have that mentality and you got guys coming off the

1503
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 4: bench like man, I should be playing, I should be

1504
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 4: doing this that that can mess up the chemistry of

1505
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 4: the team. But when you got guys that actually buy in,

1506
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 4: and it ain't easy, especially when you're young, because that's

1507
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 4: what you want to I'm trying to prove myself, and

1508
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 4: that's what you know, you try to tell coaches like

1509
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 4: these guys trying to establish theyselves and prove theyselves and.

1510
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 2: You know they got dreams to do things. So it's

1511
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 2: hard to just buy into that.

1512
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 4: But having a veteran I've been in the league ten years,

1513
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 4: look at where I came from. You know, you had

1514
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 4: Marie Speaks, you had bar Boat you know like that yeah,

1515
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 4: b b like he had been injured, you know what

1516
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So like now we're on a team where

1517
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 4: we can win the championship, and this is what we

1518
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 4: gotta do in order to do that, which could extend

1519
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 4: our careers to everybody East, be like you know, we

1520
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 4: win everybody East. So that was when it was like,

1521
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 4: all right, you know we got a chance to do

1522
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 4: something special.

1523
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't like you and iglea dollar, you know, to

1524
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: Illinois guys, y'all basically the core of that bench that's

1525
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: coming out, how did y'all bond kind of how y'all

1526
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: get closer and you know y'all bonded to even get

1527
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: that bench to a level the world was because you know,

1528
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: once you retired like dollars, became this ultimate veteran. Yeah,

1529
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: off the bench.

1530
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't like that in the beginning because

1531
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 2: he didn't want to know. No, he was not going

1532
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 2: for that.

1533
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 4: And you know it's it took time, and that's why

1534
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 4: I said. I think he came around after he saw

1535
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 4: how the team was taken off two with the buy in,

1536
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,560
Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying. So it was easier for

1537
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,839
Speaker 4: me because I came what I went through in Brooklyn.

1538
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 4: You know, I came off the bench, and then I

1539
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 4: was starting when Deve Will got hurt. So you know, again,

1540
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 4: it was easier for me to buy in being where

1541
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 4: I was at. He had started every single game for

1542
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 4: ten straight years in his career and that was the

1543
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 4: first time he was coming off the bench, and so

1544
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 4: for him it was more like, damn, man, you about

1545
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 4: to ruin my career. You see what I'm saying, Like

1546
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 4: they finna messed my career up. Like I'm about to

1547
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,560
Speaker 4: get out of here. Like that was the mindset, you

1548
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying. And we was winning though we

1549
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 4: was winning, that was the thing. So over time he

1550
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 4: kind of came around, but it took a long time

1551
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 4: for him, especially because he was still elite, you know,

1552
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 4: in his role.

1553
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: He was still a starter.

1554
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 4: And then you know it came to fruition in the

1555
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 4: playoffs and in the finals especially, his reward came during

1556
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 4: that time. I felt like me and Barbosa most spakes,

1557
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 4: you know, we was brought in because that was kind

1558
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 4: of the role that we was brought in for, you

1559
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and where he was brought into,

1560
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 4: you know, kind of start, even though they had Harrison Barnes.

1561
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,799
Speaker 4: You know, it was like Dre was a starter period

1562
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 4: like that.

1563
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: That was his role.

1564
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 4: So it took a little bit longer for him. But

1565
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 4: once he did buy in, then it was like, all right,

1566
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 4: you got two vets and we you know, we locked

1567
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 4: in just from being from Illinois, y'all. We played at hoops.

1568
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 4: You know, like he know me, he know what I'm about.

1569
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 4: So it was easy and it was just once it

1570
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 4: was no ego like that, it was you know, it

1571
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 4: was easy.

1572
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: So when you finally won won a championship, FEddi coming down,

1573
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: y'all want it? The journey you done went through? Yeah yeah,

1574
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: and you get rewarded with a champ Now you ain't

1575
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: in no box you labeled a champion. When they mentioned

1576
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: Sean lives the name, they got to say champion either

1577
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: before or after your name.

1578
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 2: Right, How did that feel? Man?

1579
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 4: It's just like I knew I was a winner, you know,

1580
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 4: like I knew I wanted every single stage I played on.

1581
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 4: That's how I felt, like, you know, man, again, I

1582
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 4: deserved it all that I went through. I didn't cry.

1583
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 4: I was just smiling the whole time, like you know

1584
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like I was just happy, like the joy.

1585
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 4: That's probably the word I would put it was just

1586
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 4: a lot of joy because you know, it was just

1587
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 4: a lot of sleepless nights, a lot of nights where

1588
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 4: you just you don't know, all the doubt, all the

1589
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 4: self doubt. But to get on the stage. I remember, like, damn,

1590
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 4: we were on the stage, right, you know had them.

1591
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 4: So you started seeing Bill Russell like walking up like damn,

1592
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 4: like and too if you know, in the playoffs, you

1593
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 4: so locked in. Every every series is like its own

1594
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 4: season mentally, so like I was so locked in to

1595
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 4: where I woke up the next day like damn, we

1596
01:16:59,120 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 4: ain't got a game.

1597
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,879
Speaker 2: Win got filmed, got got practice.

1598
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 4: We ain't got practicing nothing like we you know, so

1599
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 4: it really sunk in probably the days after, like it

1600
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 4: was like, damn we the champs.

1601
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 3: How was it like back in the Bay, Like when

1602
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 3: you're going, like you say, you get up next day,

1603
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 3: you're still doing regular ship going and get food or whatever,

1604
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 3: like neighbors or whoever, Like.

1605
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 4: How was that couldn't go nowhere? You know, everybody celebrating,

1606
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 4: you know, like you really like damn, I know you

1607
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 4: quiet and you know, like I'm just walking in like

1608
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 4: there go and I'm like damn, like it's all this

1609
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 4: like it was. It was just a lot in the Bay,

1610
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 4: especially all they went through, you know when they have Bead,

1611
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 4: when they have Mante and Matt and Jay Rich and

1612
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 4: all them. That was like their championship years and itself,

1613
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 4: you know because of all they went through, you know

1614
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 4: like obviously run TMC Era, the wave, the eras that

1615
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 4: they had in the Bay was you know, those was

1616
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,839
Speaker 4: legendary moments for the bay As fans.

1617
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 2: Like they really you.

1618
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 4: Know, those guys are still to this day they Titans

1619
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 4: when they walk through the bab because you know, the

1620
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 4: passion and that you know, they like Chicago, Boston, they

1621
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 4: like you know, New York in that way.

1622
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 2: They love sports.

1623
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 4: They've always had sports, you know, whether it's Oakland or

1624
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:20,560
Speaker 4: San Francisco. So they real sports fans, and they was

1625
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 4: coming to the games just like the Clipper days and

1626
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 4: those Warriors fans. They paying ten dollars to get into

1627
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 4: Oracle Arena, you know what I'm saying, Like they moving

1628
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 4: them down from you know, the two hundred section because

1629
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 4: it ain't nobody really there. Like they was sorry like

1630
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 4: that for a long time. So when they had a

1631
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 4: little bit of success, you know, they really celebrate. Now

1632
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 4: we got forty in the stands now, it's really cracking

1633
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 4: people coming to the games and you know, really celebrating us.

1634
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 4: So when we won, just to have that love, it

1635
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 4: was different. And like you said, I'm quiet, so I'm like, damn,

1636
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 4: this is you know, yeah, it's real. I was for

1637
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 4: it was special through Oakland too, and Oakland like to me,

1638
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 4: it's a lot of love in Oakland because they always

1639
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 4: get the bad rap, know, like just to do it

1640
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 4: for that, you know what they call the town there.

1641
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 4: You know, the love that you get is genuine. It's real,

1642
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 4: genuine fans there been there going to games fifty plus years.

1643
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 4: You know season ticket holders, and then you know, having

1644
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 4: my family were riding through the buses, riding through. When

1645
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 4: I seen the amount of people that was at the parade,

1646
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 4: I was like, damn, I ain't never seen as many

1647
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 4: people before. But then also too, it brought me back

1648
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 4: to a kid watching Mike, watching MJ watching them Grand

1649
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 4: Park celebration. I'm like, damn, this's really us up here.

1650
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 4: Like you know, like that was that was a special moment.

1651
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: Going into the next season. Did y'all think that y'all

1652
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: can back to back? It? Absolutely? It just felt like

1653
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: everything that.

1654
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,839
Speaker 4: That confidence that you got from that was unlike anything

1655
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 4: because watching stuff prepare watching him the jump that he

1656
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 4: made mentally, the human nature component is to let down

1657
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 4: your guard. You know what I'm saying, Like we didn't

1658
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 4: see a lot of that. We didn't see a lot

1659
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 4: of champs come back the next year and they you know,

1660
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 4: they still hung over, They still yeah, summer with a beast,

1661
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 4: like we enjoy this watching thirty the way that he

1662
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 4: came back that year. And then you know, go through

1663
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 4: training camp, but you know that first game, especially his

1664
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 4: mindset of like pushing the envelope and really being the leader.

1665
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 4: He quiet too, so he don't do the rob rod

1666
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 4: but it was like his game and his sense of urgency,

1667
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 4: you know, like he wanted to take it up a notch.

1668
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 4: We followed that lead, you know what I'm saying, Like

1669
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 4: we did, we followed that lead, and it was all

1670
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 4: in his game.

1671
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 2: The way that he was playing, the way that he

1672
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 2: was shooting, the way that he like the type of

1673
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 2: daggers that he was like he wanted to you know

1674
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 2: what I'm.

1675
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 3: Saying, Like that was that was like his I'm trying

1676
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 3: to tell people for years like he ain't as nice

1677
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 3: as everybody.

1678
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 2: God damn thing, Like I'm talking about he one of

1679
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 2: the best people. But like when he get on that court,

1680
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 2: like please.

1681
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the way the way that he played,

1682
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 4: the way that he wanted you know, like score and

1683
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 4: like certain things like he really you know, he had

1684
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 4: that and that was something that I didn't know about

1685
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 4: him when I got to Golden State, like you know,

1686
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 4: like the type of shots that he had taken. The

1687
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 4: moment like damn, I thought we was gonna run something

1688
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 4: like he's finna come down though, like I'm finna pull

1689
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 4: like I'm about to, I'm about to put them away

1690
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 4: you know, and he came back with that his second year,

1691
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 4: and I think we all followed that momentum and it

1692
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 4: was just off to the races because we all had

1693
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 4: confidence from you know what we just came out of

1694
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,600
Speaker 4: in the playoffs last year in the championship, like, you know,

1695
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 4: we battle tested.

1696
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 2: We went through some things.

1697
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 4: We just had that second year confidence of like, you know,

1698
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 4: we know we're supposed to win these games.

1699
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 2: And so that was the year.

1700
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 4: We won seventy three games, and honestly, we probably should

1701
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,799
Speaker 4: only one about sixty because it was probably about thirteen

1702
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 4: games that we just won in the fourth quarter because

1703
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 4: we knew how to win, you know what I'm saying, like,

1704
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 4: and it was having a large everybody you know what

1705
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 4: I'm saying, and then getting to the fourth quarter. It

1706
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 4: was like certain teams with fold because they don't know,

1707
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 4: you know, how to run a set or who should

1708
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 4: get the shot. And we was just battle tested in

1709
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 4: that way to where we all knew what we had

1710
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 4: to do and the type of moments in the game

1711
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 4: where it was like, all right, we got to get

1712
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 4: a stop this time, you know, and we was in

1713
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 4: sync with it. We ain't really had to do too

1714
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 4: much talking. It was just kind of like five guys

1715
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 4: on a stream that was out there.

1716
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: So now what's the mindset? Like, oh shit, this ship

1717
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: it's getting crazy for a minute, Like I.

1718
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 4: Just got one, Like, right, well, we lost the next year,

1719
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 4: so we want we lost the clip that was the

1720
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 4: year of twenty sixteen. We lost to bron and them

1721
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 4: and then they lost lost lost the year, so that

1722
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 4: that was the year. That was the year we lost,

1723
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 4: And so tell me about Yeah, that was exactly. That

1724
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 4: was hard because then you go from all summer you

1725
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 4: outside to next summer you don't want to go outside,

1726
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 4: if you know, Like we just gave up a three

1727
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 4: one lead. We to butter every joke and the hardest

1728
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 4: part of that they the champs, but we felt like

1729
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 4: we was the better team. Right, I'd rather lose by

1730
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 4: thirty than lose on the last second shot, you know

1731
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 4: what I'm saying? In Game seven, like those the hardest

1732
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 4: games and series to lose. We lost that year ended

1733
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 4: up Katie ended up coming that summer in that.

1734
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 2: Loss, Like what did you think happened that y'all dropped

1735
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 2: three in a row?

1736
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 4: A mix of a lot of things, the momentum, you know,

1737
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 4: and then Draymond got suspended, you know, and then again

1738
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 4: the momentum shifted to where it was almost like instead

1739
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 4: of playing to win, we was playing not to lose,

1740
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying. And that you came that

1741
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 4: you did, Dad, you gotta go take it. Ain't nobody

1742
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 4: gonna get you know, not going to give it to you.

1743
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 4: And and they just Kyrie and of course you know Lebron.

1744
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 4: But like those three games that they had that was

1745
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 4: that and Kobe, you know what I'm saying, like they

1746
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 4: really really really that's in their name and history because

1747
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 4: of that series. You know, Clay still to this day

1748
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 4: say it like he didn't want to switch with he

1749
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 4: didn't want to switch. That was another one. But with Kyrie,

1750
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,560
Speaker 4: with what he did Game five, Game seven, like you know,

1751
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 4: Clay was a knockdown. If you remember during that time,

1752
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 4: two ways, like Clay was the name you would hear

1753
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 4: be the best two way guard, two guard in the league.

1754
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 4: But them, dudes, man, Kyrie was on a different level.

1755
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 4: Like the shots he was hitting, you know, them was

1756
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 4: Kobe type shots, like you know, shot making, you know

1757
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,600
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, shot making. You know, I'm getting to

1758
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 4: my spot and it don't matter.

1759
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 3: I'm shooting for him to get the moment exactly every

1760
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,799
Speaker 3: why you like expecting this about to beat Broun or whatever,

1761
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 3: and for him to get like not on the kickout,

1762
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 3: like nah, this is Joe show, you got the ball,

1763
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 3: get the fuck out the way.

1764
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 2: This is what he does. And he did it.

1765
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 4: And what's cold is I play with Kyrie and Cleveland

1766
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 4: and so I've seen him do it before. I've seen

1767
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,600
Speaker 4: him hit game winners. You know what I'm saying. The

1768
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 4: one two has even off the right like you know

1769
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like step to the right like that,

1770
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 4: you know, right in the pocket. So I know he

1771
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 4: got that in him. It's that clutch, like he got

1772
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 4: that he wanted to like, you know, not only is

1773
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 4: it gonna make it, he gonna take it. And so

1774
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 4: it was hard watching that knowing that overall we felt

1775
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 4: like we was the better team, but in the moment,

1776
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 4: like they took those games from us and they beat us,

1777
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 4: and so you know that was you know, you got

1778
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 4: to give him their credit where it's due.

1779
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: So losing the championship and you know, you down down summer,

1780
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you hear Kevin Durant, it's coming

1781
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: to Golden State won.

1782
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, we wanted. They changed the mood from what

1783
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 2: we just were just having.

1784
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 3: It was.

1785
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: It was shot. It was the shock.

1786
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 4: It was like I'm sitting getting the cut, I'm in

1787
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 4: the barber seat and I remember, you know, just seeing

1788
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 4: on my phone like damn, like Katie to the Warriors

1789
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 4: show the barber, you know, and he like it was

1790
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 4: just shock, like man, this man really finn of come

1791
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 4: like who we you know, I'm thinking like who did

1792
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 4: I get traded? Like I'm mom on the team still,

1793
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 4: like you know, but yeah, it was a shock and

1794
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 4: it really hit home when he got in training camp.

1795
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 2: Bro walked through the door.

1796
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 4: Because I play again throughout all my stops, I played

1797
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 4: with a lot of these guys. I was in OK,

1798
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 4: see James Russell, Kevin Durant this day. First two years,

1799
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 4: they young guys, but by this time it's Katie right.

1800
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 4: I remember watching him warm up, watching him go through

1801
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 4: his workout for the first time. I was just sitting

1802
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 4: there just like like a fan, you know what I'm saying,

1803
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 4: like you know, like we are do you want a chip?

1804
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 4: By this time, like we we feel like we made men.

1805
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 4: But we watching as a fan, like this dude seven

1806
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 4: foot out here. What he doing his work? His work,

1807
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 4: I think like watching him, you know, get to his spots,

1808
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 4: shooting trades. HEAs he's all the you know the one

1809
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 4: two's like footwork, the footwork.

1810
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 2: It's like, damn.

1811
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 4: Real, seven foot. I mean, he's sexy, six y nine,

1812
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 4: but foota. You know what I'm saying out here, all

1813
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 4: the guard work, guard work, you know what I'm saying

1814
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,560
Speaker 4: with this, with that, with that gun, you know.

1815
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 2: And it was just like.

1816
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 4: He about to be on our team with what we got,

1817
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 4: like oh yeah, like let's I can't wait to get

1818
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 4: to the season, Like it's it's gonna be fun.

1819
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun.

1820
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 4: And it was because it changed the mood during it

1821
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 4: changed the move because we still it was me Dre

1822
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 4: still in the second team. So you know, obviously it

1823
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 4: just made us. It took us to a different level

1824
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 4: because we already had the culture in place. The culture

1825
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 4: was in place with Steph Clay, Dre Right, and then

1826
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 4: you had me and andre As the right go out.

1827
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 4: You get David West, bring in another vet. You know

1828
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. He new to the team, but he

1829
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 4: a made man the West shoutout d West like you know,

1830
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,560
Speaker 4: so now you got you know, a solid foundation, and

1831
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 4: then you just bring this killer to you know what

1832
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 4: I'm saying, You bring a unicorn to what we have.

1833
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 4: It was just telepathy, you know what I'm saying. Like

1834
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 4: we all just moving, It's like string music, you know

1835
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. But then you got him in the

1836
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 4: fourth to like we just out here watching him like

1837
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 4: just get this man to rock, Like.

1838
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you look at Steph? Because I know

1839
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: you had a higher level of respect for Steph. But

1840
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: for Steph to have KD come in and I don't

1841
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: want to say take a step back, but understood, like yeah,

1842
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: KD might need to be the first option. I need

1843
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,560
Speaker 1: to be second option and let's just roll like that.

1844
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: How did you look at Steph after You've seen him

1845
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: with no problem KD with open arms and was cool

1846
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 1: with him taking the most shots and doing all that.

1847
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 4: It was hard for Steph because it was an adjustment.

1848
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 4: He didn't make the adjustment until Christmas game and I

1849
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 4: remember we I think we lost to the Cavs that game.

1850
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:18,560
Speaker 4: Kyrie again, last second shots. You know, Steph, that's the

1851
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 4: part where you say he's such a nice guy because

1852
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 4: he is the most humble superstar I ever been around.

1853
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 4: We didn't been around superstars, and the blueprint of what

1854
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 4: you've seen was Mike, where it's like, get out the

1855
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 4: way if you don't want to win my way, right,

1856
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 4: And you know you had to take that, And so

1857
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 4: everybody coming after Mike felt like you had to be

1858
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 4: a certain type of you know what I'm saying. Personality

1859
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 4: code was that way in a way, right, like it

1860
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 4: was the asshole type of personality. Steph wasn't that way.

1861
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 4: Steph was who he was all the way through. But

1862
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 4: he still had that competitive killer instinct on the court.

1863
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 4: But he's quiet, good dude, well spoken, right, come from

1864
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 4: a good background, all the things where it was just different.

1865
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 4: And he allowed you to be comfortable on the court

1866
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 4: with him even though he was a superstar. And you

1867
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 4: didn't get that a lot, you know if you're playing

1868
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 4: with superstars, because that bar got a little bit more

1869
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 4: weight on it when he passed it to you, you

1870
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But you know, Steph allowed you

1871
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 4: to still be yourself. He still wanted you to be

1872
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 4: a set. He never got on guys. He was never

1873
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 4: yelling at guys. That wasn't his type of energy. And

1874
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 4: so when KD got there, the fact that he went

1875
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 4: to go recruit, you know, like not recruit, but just

1876
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 4: talk to him, you know, and hey, man, like we

1877
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 4: got a chance to do something special. Most superstars like

1878
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 4: a team, you know, GM, you go do that right

1879
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 4: like you you know, I put a call in, but

1880
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 4: I'm not finna pull up Like that's the humility that

1881
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 4: Steph has. And that's the you know, his character, what

1882
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 4: goes into his character, like you know, I'll take a

1883
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 4: step back if this is for the best of the team.

1884
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 2: You don't see that with superstars.

1885
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 4: It's my narrative, you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna

1886
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 4: control it the way because that's what my talent dictate.

1887
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 4: He did it differently, so he took a step back

1888
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 4: and had to make the biggest adjustment. And I think

1889
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 4: that's what Katie was looking at, like, you know, is

1890
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 4: Steph going to take that step back? I never seen

1891
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 4: anybody score so efficiently as Katie thirty on like twelve

1892
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 4: shots shots?

1893
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: How right?

1894
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like how and so like

1895
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 4: when he came, it wasn't really an adjustment for him

1896
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 4: because he could get his in the flow like no

1897
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 4: one else I've ever seen Steph. His was a little

1898
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 4: bit more value, right, like he needed a little bit

1899
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 4: more rhythm. And then after that Christmas game, I think

1900
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 4: you know there was internal conversation amongst them two what

1901
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 4: it had to be, right, like, look, I need you

1902
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 4: to be Steph Curry. And then on once Steph was like,

1903
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 4: all right, you know, Katie good, He's good with us.

1904
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 4: You know, like he's here.

1905
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 2: You know that's I think that's when we really it

1906
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 2: was like unstoppable from them.

1907
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 1: You grew up in Illinois, so I know you were

1908
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: big Bulls fans. You watched Mike win six championships. They

1909
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: say the team with you and k D is one

1910
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: of the best teams ever.

1911
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 2: Debatable if you match them Bulls team, that Bulls team

1912
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 2: that you've seen wins championship there with it. You can tell.

1913
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: That Bulls team that you've seen win three in a

1914
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 1: row to the team that you you play with with KD.

1915
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 4: What you think that matchup will look like? It's how

1916
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 4: can you really compare erarors? But like I'm I'm a

1917
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 4: Bulls fan. I grew up It's hard for me to

1918
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 4: ever put anybody over the bulls. I'm gonna just keep

1919
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 4: it a buck, you know, like I'm not for real,

1920
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep it a buck. Like it's like you know,

1921
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 4: like yeah, it's it's it's Mic over everything. But like

1922
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 4: our team, I will say this from a depth standpoint,

1923
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 4: and the amount of star power that you had on

1924
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 4: our team, you know, like throughout the especially throughout the

1925
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 4: course of of the game. Now nowadays with the way

1926
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 4: the three is being shot and you got three gun

1927
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 4: slingers out there, you know, like I'm talking about real snipers,

1928
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 4: real snipers like that you're not leaving, So that's the

1929
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 4: you know, like the amount of star power. Like obviously Mike,

1930
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 4: you know, the biggest star you know in my eyes,

1931
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 4: you know his will to win. But it's you can't

1932
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 4: compare errors for us, it's just being in the conversation

1933
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 4: or for me, I'm gonna speak for me being in

1934
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 4: the conversation, like you know, we did our job.

1935
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 3: Tell me this right, Like you talked about being a

1936
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 3: journeyman going from team to team after the LA situation,

1937
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 3: like did you And I've seen it and I was

1938
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 3: extremely stupid happy for you, Like did you ever think

1939
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 3: that you would be able to have a team where

1940
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 3: you got the fan base love like that and the

1941
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 3: respect in the city and like that's basically like as

1942
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 3: far as NBA teams go, that's home for you. Yeah,

1943
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, You're gonna be more the

1944
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 3: last fevalue a championship favor.

1945
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 2: You ever think that you would get that at a point?

1946
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:11,640
Speaker 4: No, I didn't. I'll just again for me. You know,

1947
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 4: can I play eighty two games? Can I play on

1948
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 4: the playoff team?

1949
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 3: You know?

1950
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 4: And then from there maybe we have a chance to

1951
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 4: win a championship. You know this Q you got man,

1952
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 4: you got so much talent that it came through the league.

1953
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 4: They ain't never sniffed the finals. Yeah, like how hard

1954
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 4: is it to make the finals? Like to win a

1955
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 4: championship alone? They take luck too, I will say that,

1956
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 4: like injuries, everything that goes into it. So I think

1957
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 4: once we won our first one, the shot and the

1958
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 4: surprise that came with that, we didn't expect to win it.

1959
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 4: When I first got there, we didn't know we were

1960
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 4: gonna win it. It was just like we might have

1961
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 4: a chance. But I think once we won it, it

1962
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 4: was like okay, like we can do it, Like, let's

1963
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 4: do it again if we can, Like we're young, young enough,

1964
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 4: guys in their prime, Like, let's go for it while

1965
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 4: we can. That's why we went for the seventy three games.

1966
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 4: When else are we going to have a shot to

1967
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 4: make history. Let's go for this, like, let's do it

1968
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 4: what we're waiting on, you know, even if it wasn't

1969
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 4: for the best outcome of probably the finals, but like

1970
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 4: going to the bay, being able to accomplish that, being

1971
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 4: able to be etched and stone and carve our names out,

1972
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 4: that's what we all.

1973
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 2: Aspire to do.

1974
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 4: And then I think what made it special is we

1975
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 4: was able to do it, you know, like put our

1976
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,799
Speaker 4: own personal narratives in the back burner and say we're

1977
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 4: gonna do this as a team. Everybody's gonna eat. We

1978
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:37,719
Speaker 4: got a chance to do something special as a team,

1979
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 4: Like we know who the star guys are. We know

1980
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 4: who the guys are, Like, you know, we ain't gotta

1981
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 4: argue with that. But like when you have that much

1982
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 4: buy in, especially with that much talent, that's where you

1983
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 4: start to see collectively special things being done. And then

1984
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,679
Speaker 4: from there, you know, let everybody else argue and debate

1985
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:59,639
Speaker 4: on you know, all the topics.

1986
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 3: Tell me this, bro, you got one of the cleanest,

1987
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 3: nastiest mid range games ever.

1988
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 2: Like that ain't what I used to remember. You know

1989
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 2: what I'm saying you would throw on you was getting

1990
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 2: to the bed.

1991
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 3: Like, so, do you feel like or correct me, I'm

1992
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 3: wrong that that happened over your journey when you was

1993
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 3: going through the injury. You trying to reinvent yourself and

1994
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 3: figure out how you're gonna be impactful and affect the game.

1995
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 3: Like when did you discover like, oh this this is it?

1996
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 3: Because it got to that point where we were like, god, damn.

1997
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 2: This boy deadly with that joint six seven? Say he

1998
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 2: raised up?

1999
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 4: Don't see him one? I mean Sam Coussel watching him.

2000
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 4: I say, starting there, young fella, Like you gotta start somewhere.

2001
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 4: Couldn't throw it in the ocean, Like all right, you

2002
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 4: gotta be a threat. They gonna ignore you and like

2003
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 4: you know, as soon as you get the ball, you

2004
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 4: act like you was gonna shoot you know much, and

2005
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 4: just turn around and start boxing out Like that's how

2006
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 4: they'll do you, Like, you know, take your confidence from you.

2007
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 2: You know that you don't even want to shoot.

2008
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 4: So like for me just being a threat, couldn't move

2009
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 4: the same way after my injury. Okay, how am I

2010
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 4: gonna get to my spots?

2011
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:05,720
Speaker 2: All right?

2012
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 4: You know, pick and roll, they're going under, you know, okay, repick,

2013
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 4: get to the spot right, like certain things like that.

2014
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 4: Over the course of time, then it was it's just

2015
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 4: like anything. You was a shooter, you know, reps, repetition,

2016
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:20,919
Speaker 4: now putting it up in the game, getting that confidence,

2017
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 4: getting the confidence, and then from there, you know, the

2018
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 4: better teams I played on and started to get more

2019
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 4: and more confidence with better players, better teams. Now you

2020
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,719
Speaker 4: you know, it's all that belief system. Now it's a mindset.

2021
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 4: It's like, no, I'm supposed to hit this shot, so

2022
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna knock it down. And then it just

2023
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,560
Speaker 4: it just kept growing and growing. You do it on

2024
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 4: the highest level. Now I'm doing it in the finals,

2025
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 4: like again, this is my game, so I'm gonna play

2026
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:47,639
Speaker 4: my game.

2027
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 2: You played on a lot of teams, You had a

2028
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of teammates with you involved.

2029
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,679
Speaker 1: If you could pick four teammates to make your ultimate team,

2030
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: who would beat on fourteen man?

2031
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 2: Man, that's that's crazy and you gotta be in it.

2032
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 2: I gotta be in it. You gotta be you either

2033
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 2: gotta start the one and two.

2034
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 4: That's crazy, that's that's a wild question. All right, Uh

2035
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 4: at the time I played with him or just their

2036
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 4: career prime all right, ticket ticket in there. I'm gonna say,

2037
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 4: man going, Steph, I gotta go, Steph. Yeah, Katie, Katie

2038
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 4: in there, Steph kte ticket and then oh we're small,

2039
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 4: We're gonna we're gonna space it out. But I need

2040
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 4: shooters around me. I'm probably gonna go, probably gonna go

2041
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 4: Joe Johnson, Man, Joe Johnson, big shout out, Joe Man

2042
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 4: Joe and Joe Joe get a wrap for the ice old.

2043
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 4: But honestly, Joe, Joe know how to play the game.

2044
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 4: He can play off the ball like he don't need it,

2045
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying, Like he.

2046
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 2: Could blend in. So I'm going, I'm going, Joe.

2047
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was there for this, I

2048
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 3: won't take him back to like not a not a

2049
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 3: favorite memory of his. You know, hoops, right we got

2050
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 3: we got the young blood over here, you know, hoops,

2051
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 3: right here in the parking lot, right here, most of

2052
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 3: us are proud of our vehicles when we first get

2053
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 3: him in situations like that.

2054
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 2: My man he had the hood Bentley at this point,

2055
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 2: you know fresh at had you been drafted up? This

2056
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,560
Speaker 2: was before the draft. No, this before the draft. This

2057
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 2: is like pre drafting.

2058
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 3: When we all there working out last he said you

2059
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 3: better bring it up cause he remembered, so he was like,

2060
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 3: you better bring it up.

2061
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 2: We in there working out there. Everything my man had together.

2062
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 3: You know, just that morning we was gassing them up,

2063
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:52,599
Speaker 3: kicking them up, like okay, I got to got the joke,

2064
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,600
Speaker 3: got the baby blue custom paint, attend out booming with

2065
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:59,639
Speaker 3: the system. Bro. We ain't even hoop yet. This before hoop,

2066
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 3: like I for the first workout. Just about one something

2067
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 3: we got out.

2068
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 2: Man. The boy on the west side has just got

2069
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 2: my many broken, broke the window. I just got the stereoder.

2070
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 3: They all that that's was somethingere on asking my boy. Hey,

2071
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:20,440
Speaker 3: but I come outside.

2072
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 2: It's not like this. On the curve they waiting for

2073
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 2: the police start to come here like this. You remember

2074
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 2: red Red Red in the car. I'll be back, young fell.

2075
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,680
Speaker 2: Let me ride through. See it. Man, it's gone, man,

2076
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 2: it's over. It's over there. They got us man.

2077
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 4: Cook it man, I'm sitting on the curves. I'm sick.

2078
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 4: I'm sick. I just got it too. That was brand new.

2079
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 2: They touched it, so I said, damn as I hate

2080
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 2: it had to be. Let's talk about like some of

2081
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:50,919
Speaker 2: them Hoops summers.

2082
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 1: You know, we ain't really kind of touched on that,

2083
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 1: but some of them summers that hoop man, just seeing

2084
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty guys playing every day getting the best

2085
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: work that you can get. Just speak on Hoops and

2086
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,679
Speaker 1: Tim Grover and what he created them summer.

2087
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 4: Man, it just you had to be there, That's all

2088
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 4: I could really say. That's how I could sum it up.

2089
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 4: You really just had to be there to see how

2090
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 4: special it was to have that many pros, that amount

2091
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 4: of talent, you know, really going at it. I'm talking

2092
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 4: about like just like you can't run from it. You know,

2093
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 4: you know they gonna throw you in the fire. They

2094
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 4: setting up the teams to throw you.

2095
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 3: Like if you you an upcoming point guard and we

2096
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 3: got somebody else to a point, are you and him

2097
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 3: about to go at it?

2098
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,640
Speaker 2: Like y'all don't got no choice. Everybody in here need

2099
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 2: to see this, y'all need to do it.

2100
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 4: Up, no smoke and then man, you know, shout out

2101
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 4: Paul Pierce because he used to come back and he

2102
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 4: would play and you know and me and be with

2103
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 4: I'm saying and this, and you had to you had

2104
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 4: to see it. You really just had to see it

2105
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 4: because you know, you had the guys at the position

2106
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 4: going at it, and it was a lot of talk

2107
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 4: and twam, twym he gassing, he throwing gas on the

2108
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 4: fire and every single matchup. So you know, if again,

2109
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,720
Speaker 4: if you the top up and coming guard and it's

2110
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:25,680
Speaker 4: an up and coming guard in this draft or second year,

2111
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 4: third year guy like you going at him. I got

2112
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 4: to meet and y'all got to meet and we're gonna

2113
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 4: see you see what I'm saying. So and it was

2114
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 4: just it was just special because then you know afterwards,

2115
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 4: you know, everybody in the city should summertime, shine everybody out,

2116
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 4: you know, enjoy it right right right right.

2117
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:47,759
Speaker 2: It was just that type of vibe.

2118
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 4: But you come, get your work in, right you you

2119
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 4: might lift or whatever before then play or play then lift.

2120
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 4: Just seeing the amount of guys and for me, that's

2121
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 4: where I was able to get my confidence, you know,

2122
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 4: to take to La to be like man listen, I've

2123
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 4: been playing in the summer, you know, Like I told

2124
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 4: the team after my first year, like I ain't working

2125
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 4: out with you, I'm going back to hoops.

2126
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 1: Like that's you get some of that plus your lifting

2127
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. When you go back to the season,

2128
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 1: your confidence and everything is ready to go.

2129
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 2: Because of who was already there.

2130
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 4: Are you playing against all the All Stars, d Wade

2131
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 4: coming back like everybody, you know. I think bron might

2132
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 4: have came back one time. But it was just, you know,

2133
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:33,560
Speaker 4: outside of those guys, you had fifty NBA guys and

2134
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 4: that could be in the gym at any time. I

2135
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 4: know guys that rode the bench and I know guys

2136
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,640
Speaker 4: I'm saying about real hoopers, real guys. That was you know,

2137
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 4: rotation starters, All stars, you know. Like so that that

2138
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 4: to me got you know, gave me my confidence. But

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Speaker 4: just the vibing to be around that energy again, you

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Speaker 4: couldn't run from nothing. And all the young guys coming

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Speaker 4: up me, Tony Allen, all the you know two thousand

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Speaker 4: and four guys, Andre will Bonner was in there. It

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Speaker 4: was like we used to go at each other based

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Speaker 4: off that energy, watching the old heads go off each other,

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Speaker 4: so we only might get one or two possessions out

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Speaker 4: of a seven game. So we had a man give

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Speaker 4: me the ball, man, like you know, like I remember

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Speaker 4: Tony Allen looking at me like, man, man, give me

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Speaker 4: the rock, man, you know, and that just made me

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Speaker 4: mad where I'm like, Okay, I want the rock because

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01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 4: you ain't finished. Like that's just that type of energy

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01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 4: that was special and you just you had to be

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Speaker 4: in the gym to really feel it, and you might

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01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:29,679
Speaker 4: not get on the court if you a college guy.

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Speaker 4: You know, like it was just that that level oversee

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01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 4: you guys you got to set out guys to come

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Speaker 4: with their shoes, be sitting on the side waiting, mad leader,

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Speaker 4: you know, like.

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Speaker 3: The courts going it's court. I think I already know

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Speaker 3: the answer to this, but you know, we all come

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Speaker 3: from home beginnings. When you first got some bread, right,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was the baby blue joint

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01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 3: we just formed, but what what what was the what

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Speaker 3: was the purchase you made?

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Speaker 2: Was it the hood.

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01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:05,719
Speaker 3: That's would make it hurt even worse? And I knew

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Speaker 3: this when it happened, but that was just like like

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Speaker 3: we always mad for him. We were like, damn you

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Speaker 3: ain't gotta do it. You could have cut somebody.

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Speaker 2: This is his first. I just got it too.

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Speaker 3: I just got the feet. Yeah, I got some little ribs.

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Speaker 3: Good to this joy come on Chicago, right, So they

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Speaker 3: the Bentley was it? Man?

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Speaker 2: You know, I just got the tenth.

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Speaker 4: I just did the little paint job, you know, like

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Speaker 4: it wasn't nothing but about it was a christ with

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Speaker 4: three hundred.

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Speaker 2: So I remember when they brought everybody I Bentley doing

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Speaker 2: to the biley.

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Speaker 4: Then it don't look like absolutely, but I painted in

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Speaker 4: mind just to give it a little little shot record.

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Speaker 4: But I keep clean. Yeah, so you know that was

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Speaker 4: the first. That was the first purchase. But I ain't

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Speaker 4: do much. I ain't do much.

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Speaker 1: Uh start bench trade, Yes one, you gotta bench one.

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01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:07,799
Speaker 1: You got trade one? Luca shake Gil Chris Dame Lillard.

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Speaker 2: Oh uh start man? What's this? Just my favorite favor?

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Speaker 1: If you the GM, who would you start? Who would

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01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 1: you bench? Who would you trade? Who would I start?

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01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: Then's trade? Oh man, that's that's tough man. Probably, Yeah, Luca.

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Speaker 1: It's it's hard. It's hard to argue. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: argue that what he able to do. Probably right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm probably going Luca, Dame shay.

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Speaker 2: Oh trading ship.

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Speaker 4: When you hear a little disappointed, it's it's hard man.

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Speaker 4: I mean ah, but if I'm going favorite player, that's

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01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:02,639
Speaker 4: that's the GM had. But favorite players, damn Shaye Luca.

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Speaker 4: As far as like who I like to watch? Who

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Speaker 4: I would you know who I like in that game?

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01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:11,959
Speaker 4: But from if I'm team building, yeah, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can speak for me and Q man.

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Speaker 1: Man, we proud of you, man, proud of your career man,

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01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 1: prior you accomplished, see you in your beautiful family. Man,

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01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 1: You're well, You're healthy man. Man, Like you say, you

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01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,560
Speaker 1: always been our brother. Every time we see were on

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Speaker 1: the same page, no matter if we don't see you

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Speaker 1: for a year or we just see you the next day.

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01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: But man, we really really appreciate you, bro, and happy

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Speaker 1: that you you persevering the way you did to get

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Speaker 1: and to be a champion man.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And when we see.

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Speaker 1: Guys like that, even though me and my guy didn't

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01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: really win no championship, we feel like we win a

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Speaker 1: championship When we see guys.

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01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:50,679
Speaker 2: Like you, absolutely get that championship.

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01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I gotta say this on the show, man

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01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 4: appreciate y'all just cuffing me because you know, coming up

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01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 4: again from Peoria to Chicago to l A. That for

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01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 4: me and I tell people this is what gave me

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Speaker 4: the confidence hoops in general. But you know, obviously y'all

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01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 4: was the guys that was up there. You know, that

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01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 4: was that was the loudest ones. You know what I'm saying.

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01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 4: That was really that was moving the energy, moving the

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Speaker 4: needle and for me to you know, have y'all as

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01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:22,599
Speaker 4: the mentors, like that's how people was looking at me, like, oh,

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01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 4: he coming from from from this group, he coming from

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Speaker 4: this circle. So just you know, appreciate y'all pouring into

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Speaker 4: me as a young fella because we need more you know,

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01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 4: mentorship with with young guys, especially in the league.

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Speaker 3: Man, yes, rap man, we appreciate my man, three time

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Speaker 3: champ's dot in the building tap into That's so you

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