Speaker 1: A very special guest, and I'm deeply in love with
Speaker 1: her intellect. It's Armstrong and Getty extra.
Speaker 2: Large because it's two hours. Luckily, this is Armstrong and
Speaker 2: Getty extra large.
Speaker 3: I just I feel like that was too much. I've
Speaker 3: said that on the air before. Yeah, but I'm very open.
Speaker 3: It's different in person. Now with her in the room.
Speaker 3: Are you to feel her ass? HR is right down
Speaker 3: the hallway?
Speaker 4: Oh, you don't know that I was an HR director
Speaker 4: for twenty years.
Speaker 3: He violated like five different California laws, didn't he.
Speaker 4: It's okay, I was the meanest HR director alive.
Speaker 2: Really, you just say to him, get over it.
Speaker 4: That's exactly pretty much what would happen.
Speaker 1: Katie Grimes of The California Globe joins us. Katie, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this ever gets back to you, how
Speaker 1: many times we've said how great you are and how
Speaker 1: great the California Globe is.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It is a beacon of light in the darkness of
Speaker 1: the non coverage of how crazy California politics are.
Speaker 4: Thank you. That is exactly what we want to do.
Speaker 4: Be is to not only do state House coverage, but
Speaker 4: cover the stuff that the mainstream media won't I think
Speaker 4: we are well.
Speaker 3: And again we'll get into some of the details of
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff in a second. But it's amazing
Speaker 3: how much of just what anybody can see with their
Speaker 3: own eyes if you just like go to the mall
Speaker 3: or drive down the street, doesn't get covered much in California.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't fit certain agendas, even if reporters have
Speaker 4: the intellectual curiosity to do it. Sometimes their editors nix
Speaker 4: it or take things out of the articles or add
Speaker 4: things in. It's a very frustrating place to be right now.
Speaker 4: And news coverage well.
Speaker 1: And it's funny of the many comments that we get
Speaker 1: a lot or have gotten a lot through our careers.
Speaker 1: People say, wow, you guys have been really really successful
Speaker 1: in like all blue areas, liberal area states and that
Speaker 1: sort of thing, although we're all over the country now.
Speaker 1: And I always tell them, Look, if you lose every election,
Speaker 1: even fifty five forty.
Speaker 2: Five, that's a landslide. You got murdered.
Speaker 1: You have no chance electorally if you can only get
Speaker 1: up to forty five percent. But you got forty five
Speaker 1: percent of the population that feels completely unrepresented and like
Speaker 1: they're getting kicked constantly. And then they watched this incredible,
Speaker 1: gorgeous state get ruined, and I think they enjoy hearing
Speaker 1: somebody who says, no, you're not crazy, You're right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. They we get told a lot. Oh, I
Speaker 4: feel I'm so alone. You know, I live in like,
Speaker 4: I live in a liberal bastion just south of downtown Sacramento,
Speaker 4: and my views aren't very popular in that neighborhood. And
Speaker 4: so I know what a lot of people feel like
Speaker 4: in the state.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't dare pipe up at work or whatever.
Speaker 1: Which is it's a bad way to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It's it's also very unhealthy. I mean,
Speaker 4: I actually believe in the balance of a two party
Speaker 4: system because people are fairly represented. There's give and take,
Speaker 4: there's compromise, which is the only way you can get
Speaker 4: policy passed. And in our state we don't have that,
Speaker 4: and so it's pretty dangerous place right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I've experienced it both ways. When we're in
Speaker 3: North Carolina at the time it was basically a one
Speaker 3: party system Republicans. But it allows for excesses the other direction.
Speaker 4: Yes, it does, exactly. And I tell people who some
Speaker 4: people introduce me as a conservative journalist, and I say Actually,
Speaker 4: I'm just a journalist. I report the news. I report
Speaker 4: the truth. If it was all Republicans in the California
Speaker 4: State Capitol right now, I'd be covering it pretty much
Speaker 4: the same way because there'd be a lot of jerks.
Speaker 4: There'd be some good ones, but it would be kind
Speaker 4: of one sided policy getting passed, and that's not.
Speaker 1: Healthy, right, not to mention just the manipulation of the
Speaker 1: arms of government to make yourself and your cronies rich. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'm more hot to trot for
Speaker 1: the ideological stuff because it makes me insane and it
Speaker 1: affects people in their lives and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you could just focus on the
Speaker 1: graft and dishonesty and be busy all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish I had a reporter I could assign
Speaker 4: just to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah I did.
Speaker 3: We're going to get to the topics you want to
Speaker 3: get to. But how do these various people not come
Speaker 3: to Sacramento. Like you get an elected assemblyman way far
Speaker 3: away or wherever, and you know, and you come to
Speaker 3: Sacramento and then like you're driving around Sacramento and you
Speaker 3: see all these tents and everything everywhere, and you don't
Speaker 3: think whoa Things are out of control here.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, right now, I've been quoted as saying on air,
Speaker 4: the stupid people are running everything, and unfortunately a lot
Speaker 4: of stupid people are also getting elected. And they don't care.
Speaker 4: They just want to hold elected office. They want the
Speaker 4: love from the groupies. They want to have staff, people
Speaker 4: who chase them around all day and make them feel important.
Speaker 4: And they're very happy to do the business of the
Speaker 4: special interests that paid for them to get into office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're either delusional, stupid or cynical.
Speaker 3: Is it a pretty good life to be just a
Speaker 3: like run of the mill Democrat assemblement? I mean, do
Speaker 3: you make good money eventually.
Speaker 4: Or yeah they do.
Speaker 3: They get adoration, probably go out to eat a nice
Speaker 3: restaurants every.
Speaker 4: Night, yep, yep, and you get to go to fundraisers
Speaker 4: yours and other. As I said, people follow you around,
Speaker 4: they drive you everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I could see get into used to that.
Speaker 4: Some of them have their staff pick up their dry
Speaker 4: cleaning and clean their apartments. So yeah, it's lovely.
Speaker 1: And then one of the many unions promises you a
Speaker 1: high paying consulting gig when you get out, so you're.
Speaker 2: Said, exactly a good way to be.
Speaker 4: That's at works.
Speaker 1: So we're dabbling in the article you wrote. We quote
Speaker 1: you all the time. But when I read a piece
Speaker 1: you put out, I guess a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: California's capital has a deep state. I thought it was
Speaker 1: super interesting about California, but just interesting about the way
Speaker 1: legislatures work. Yes, and I learned a lot from it.
Speaker 1: You can start wherever you want. What would surprise people
Speaker 1: most about who has the power and or how the
Speaker 1: money flows through the capital of a big rich state.
Speaker 4: Well in California, without getting two into the weeds, this
Speaker 4: is what we have today is the result of term limits.
Speaker 4: And term limits always strengthen the power of the full
Speaker 4: time staffers. And so, as I put in the article,
Speaker 4: I knew a fellow who was appointee back in Washington,
Speaker 4: DC years ago, and when he went into his brand
Speaker 4: new office and met his brand new staff, some people
Speaker 4: were a little hostile to him, and so he pulled
Speaker 4: them into his office quietly and said, Hey, what's the problem.
Speaker 4: And they said, Hey, we're the weebies. We be here
Speaker 4: before you, we be here after you, and you do
Speaker 4: what we say.
Speaker 3: Wow, It's so counterintuitive because you know, we all think
Speaker 3: the way to fix government is to get these people
Speaker 3: out of here term limits they are there forever. But
Speaker 3: this is the way it really works.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and unfortunately, intellectually, it is the right way. You
Speaker 4: need fresh blood. You can't have the same people, you know,
Speaker 4: dictating policy for decades. But as we were warned, and
Speaker 4: I voted for term limits, as we were warned ahead
Speaker 4: of it, the politicians would just figure out how to
Speaker 4: manipulate the system. That's why we have them, you know.
Speaker 4: We finally do turn them out, but then they go
Speaker 4: back and they take up a city council seat in
Speaker 4: Los Angeles or San Diego. And that's not what the
Speaker 4: spirit of the term limits was.
Speaker 1: And I'm told that not only the staffers who support
Speaker 1: the attitude you're describing, but the lobbyists get enormous power too, Yes,
Speaker 1: because the newbies have to have them explain.
Speaker 2: The issues exactly.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of the other part. The Third House
Speaker 4: is running an awful lot. And that's the whole lobbying community.
Speaker 4: Not to say lobbyists are bad people. Some are, some aren't,
Speaker 4: some are, Some represent small businesses, some represent big oil.
Speaker 4: You know, you have them from every imaginable industry, and
Speaker 4: those industries do need them, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 4: But they do wield an awful lot of power. The
Speaker 4: balance of power is definitely off as capital.
Speaker 3: This just popped in my head. Is there any limit
Speaker 3: onlike how much a lobbyist can give to staff people
Speaker 3: in terms of taking them out to eat and putting
Speaker 3: them up at a hotel or anything like.
Speaker 4: Guess staff do also have to file the farm seven
Speaker 4: hundred every quarter.
Speaker 1: But smart people probably find a way around it, I'm
Speaker 1: sure more or less.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the stuff you had to say about the current
Speaker 1: state of the Republican Party, aside from being pathetic, the
Speaker 1: whys were pretty interesting to me. What's going on with
Speaker 1: the Republicans?
Speaker 4: Too many of them see themselves as managing the decline
Speaker 4: and they're happy to have the seat to do it.
Speaker 4: And that's just the hard, cold reality. I do think
Speaker 4: that they get elected and they have good intentions. They
Speaker 4: want to come up to Sacramento and hopefully, you know,
Speaker 4: make a name for themselves as that Republican who fought hard.
Speaker 4: But as we just described the state of the Capitol,
Speaker 4: they get there and the staff quickly whisk them aside
Speaker 4: and say, do not talk about abortion or do not
Speaker 4: talk about parental rights. Those are off limit topics.
Speaker 1: And these are Republican staffers who presumably have at least
Speaker 1: some Republican values, And how does that help them manage
Speaker 1: the decline?
Speaker 4: That's just it. I think it's to me, it's like
Speaker 4: Stockholm syndrome. They're not managing anything at all if they
Speaker 4: wanted to manage something. And I've been asked by a
Speaker 4: lot of them when they first get elected, you know,
Speaker 4: what do we do? We know we're the minority party,
Speaker 4: but what do we do? And to me, it's easy,
Speaker 4: you know, stand up and scream and yell about what
Speaker 4: your Democrat colleagues are doing, the kinds of policies they're
Speaker 4: passing that are just anti parent, family business, you know,
Speaker 4: anti California. It's not hard, but so many of them cave, very,
Speaker 4: very That's interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't quite understand that because you're if your number
Speaker 3: one goal is to stay in office, going along to
Speaker 3: get along doesn't seem like the best way to do it.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like musical chairs somebody's you know, most
Speaker 4: of them are still going to get a chair left
Speaker 4: when the music stops, but there's usually somebody that's kind
Speaker 4: of kicked out.
Speaker 3: Now I know this. This was many years ago when
Speaker 3: we weren't near at political on this show, and I
Speaker 3: wish I'd remembered the name and everything like that. But
Speaker 3: I'm coming back from Las Vegas, I'm half drunk, and
Speaker 3: I end up sitting in the back of the plane
Speaker 3: with this other guy that was beyond half drunk, who
Speaker 3: is one of the high staffers for one of the
Speaker 3: big well known Republican names, and I don't remember who
Speaker 3: it was at the time, but he told me that
Speaker 3: exact stuff. He said, Oh, no, we're all screwed. There's
Speaker 3: no chance we're ever going to be in Our job
Speaker 3: is to just stay in office. And he was like
Speaker 3: so honest that he was really drunk, but he was
Speaker 3: so honest about all this stuff, And I thought, Wow,
Speaker 3: is it that cynical? Are we that shot through with
Speaker 3: cynicism all all the way up and down where it's
Speaker 3: just like, no, it's managed the thing decline. They had
Speaker 3: clearly given up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what was shocking to me. I think
Speaker 4: I'm idealistic enough to believe they go up there with
Speaker 4: fight right, and it doesn't translate.
Speaker 1: You know, another aspect of your article about California's deep
Speaker 1: state that was totally not intuitive to me, and I
Speaker 1: had no idea.
Speaker 2: I'll just read you.
Speaker 1: Ah, you're talking about people fleeing California for red states,
Speaker 1: et cetera. The Democrats have caused this mass migration. What
Speaker 1: have California Republicans done? As we reported recently, quote, California
Speaker 1: GOP leadership are completely beholden to the McCarthy mafia and
Speaker 1: kept everyone in line because they control the flow of money.
Speaker 2: What's that all about.
Speaker 4: A lawmaker told me that that's why it's in quotes. Okay,
Speaker 4: And yeah, obviously a lawmaker who didn't get any Kevin
Speaker 4: McCarthy money to get elected.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what do you take the McCarthy maffey to be.
Speaker 4: Well, Kevin McCarthy, you know, used to be a state legislator.
Speaker 4: As you know, he's been in politics a long time
Speaker 4: and controls a lot of money. It's one of the
Speaker 4: reasons he ended up as speaker. And unfortunately, prior to
Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi and Kevin McCarthy becoming speaker, which the qualifications
Speaker 4: were just you have to be a good fundraiser. There
Speaker 4: were other qualifications. Yeah, he's just a great fundraiser and
Speaker 4: everybody wants a piece of his pie.
Speaker 2: So what line does he want? Did he want?
Speaker 1: I assume he's still pretty powerful, but yeah, so what
Speaker 1: line does he want them to tow to get the money?
Speaker 4: And it's it's And the reason I included that with
Speaker 4: a link to an article I wrote not long ago
Speaker 4: about that is the California GOP a few years ago
Speaker 4: was kind of taken over by the Moderates and we've
Speaker 4: only lost seats since then. It's only become worse and worse.
Speaker 4: But he's part of that. He helped fund the debt
Speaker 4: payment that the GOP needed the state political party, and
Speaker 4: there are a lot of politicians who are just beholden
Speaker 4: to him. It's a big power position.
Speaker 3: So he helps them get re elected in there, and.
Speaker 2: They don't dare speak their minds unless.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. To me, it's just as bad as the
Speaker 4: other party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's discouraging.
Speaker 1: We moved to California ninety six when Pete Wilson was
Speaker 1: was he about to serve a second term or was
Speaker 1: in the middle of it, I can't remember, but it
Speaker 1: was a purple state.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was, and not that long ago.
Speaker 1: The transition's been astonishing. I mean, we've gone from Purple
Speaker 1: State to like El Salvador.
Speaker 4: Seriously, I agree. Yeah, I'm a native, so I've watched
Speaker 4: this also from a front row seat. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 4: there's an interesting phenomenon. I think that happened. And again,
Speaker 4: it happened kind of in the lobbying consultant community some
Speaker 4: years ago. You've probably you've heard of Richie Ross that,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of the famous king maker in California.
Speaker 4: Willie Brown's consultant and he's been you know, many many
Speaker 4: other major players consultants. He figured out and had the
Speaker 4: Democrats do this in La as an experiment. They decided
Speaker 4: that they weren't going to get just more of the
Speaker 4: Hispanic vote. That wouldn't be enough. They needed to get
Speaker 4: every member of that person's family to vote. And so
Speaker 4: there was this huge effort to you know, get out
Speaker 4: the Hispanic vote. And but that's really what they were doing.
Speaker 4: They were making sure that entire families, entire communities, entire
Speaker 4: churches voted. And it comp deletely, I think it destroyed
Speaker 4: Los Angeles and that's unfortunately where the bulk of the
Speaker 4: election fraud comes in. Also, Los Angeles County is just
Speaker 4: a nightmare. And I do think that then that was
Speaker 4: like back in that's the late nineties, and so your
Speaker 4: observation's right. It was lovely, wonderful, a pretty healthy state
Speaker 4: up until then, and then something happened that just like
Speaker 4: triggered it, and we just started losing Republican races up
Speaker 4: and down the state and it all went to hell.
Speaker 3: It seems to me, it's becoming more clear to me
Speaker 3: at the federal level, and then the state stuff is
Speaker 3: just most people in politics just want to stay in office, yes,
Speaker 3: And to stay in office, you have to win the
Speaker 3: next election. And it takes a lot of money to
Speaker 3: win an election. And so your I have to be
Speaker 3: beholden to somebody because where's that money coming from? Sure,
Speaker 3: And that's just the way the whole thing works. H. L.
Speaker 1: Menkin was writing about that damn near one hundred, well
Speaker 1: one hundred years ago, about you got three three jobs.
Speaker 1: One get power to retain power, and three, if you
Speaker 1: have time, do something for your poor constituents.
Speaker 2: But it's third place at best.
Speaker 3: Do you have any idea how much money you need
Speaker 3: to run for an assembly person in California or state senator.
Speaker 4: Actually, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm glad. You know, we've all heard the numbers at
Speaker 3: the betteral level. It's astounding.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's higher than it ought to be in California.
Speaker 1: Well, if you if you're in one of the very
Speaker 1: few competitive districts, yeah, it's going to be super expensive.
Speaker 4: But good point.
Speaker 1: You know, I almost said something, but I'm determined. I
Speaker 1: almost told you a little story. But I'm determined to
Speaker 1: hand this question to you. Tabula rasa as a blank
Speaker 1: slate for people listening to this podcast around the country,
Speaker 1: please do explain Kamala Harris's rise.
Speaker 4: Oh you're gonna make me wow, because I've followed her
Speaker 4: a long time. I'm starting It all started with sex,
Speaker 4: really with Willie Brown. Everybody knows it. It's the story. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was the casting couch audition that landed her in politics.
Speaker 1: Just being the girlfriend of the most powerful man in
Speaker 1: California politics for like the last seventy five years is
Speaker 1: a good career.
Speaker 3: Well what was she doing when she caught the eye
Speaker 3: of Willie Brown.
Speaker 4: Showing cleavage? I don't know, that's pretty funny. Literally, I
Speaker 4: think she was I don't know, you know, crossing her legs.
Speaker 4: I think she was a young lawyer in you know,
Speaker 4: hanging out with politicians in San Francisco, caught Willie Brown's eye,
Speaker 4: and you know, the rest is history. She truly is
Speaker 4: one of those people who's failed up similarly to Gavin Newsom,
Speaker 4: because think about it, if you're a Democrat in San Francisco,
Speaker 4: even back in the nineties, there's no competition. What Republican's
Speaker 4: going to beat you, even for you know, the dogcatcher,
Speaker 4: It's not going to happen. And so she never had
Speaker 4: any competition really for San Francisco DA when she ran
Speaker 4: for Attorney general. I'm trying to remember who ran against her,
Speaker 4: Dan Lungren maybe.
Speaker 3: As far as you can tell, and you know, be
Speaker 3: completely honest about this. Do you know anybody who like
Speaker 3: respects her judgment and inelect?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 4: Nope. I attended her swearing in for Attorney General. And
Speaker 4: this was so wild because it was let's see twenty ten,
Speaker 4: I believe eleven, and so Obama had been president for
Speaker 4: two years. Up to that point, she'd been known as Kamala.
Speaker 4: At the swearing in, people her people were walking around
Speaker 4: telling everybody make sure, you call her Kamala gotta sound
Speaker 4: like Obama.
Speaker 3: Oh that's okay.
Speaker 4: Well, wow, that's how shallow these people are.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that was the one takeaway I think.
Speaker 3: Because she she doesn't seem that bright, and she doesn't
Speaker 3: seem to have any particular skills like you know, people's
Speaker 3: skills or anything like that.
Speaker 1: She the one thing she's good at is that superior tone.
Speaker 3: You need to answer the question she is good at that?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, a bit of one yes trick? Can I say?
Speaker 3: I feel like there's gotta be something missing me? You
Speaker 3: can't just be attractive and have a superior tone and
Speaker 3: a Democrat.
Speaker 1: In a one party state. Yes, are you gonna run
Speaker 1: somebody against Willie Brown's girlfriend? But aren't there other Democrats
Speaker 1: that wanted her jobs that?
Speaker 4: Oh? I'm sure. Yeah, But she also has just as
Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom has the backing of Silicon Valley and nobody
Speaker 4: can penetrate that.
Speaker 1: And the Pelosi family and everything else. So the story
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna tell, and Jack's heard this, but I
Speaker 1: have a couple of friends, a handful who were or
Speaker 1: are in very high levels of law enforcement and worked
Speaker 1: on state federal task forces and that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: and regularly met with the Attorney General and we'd be
Speaker 1: playing golf or something and they would say, Joe Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris is a dope, and I would I would be like,
Speaker 1: all right, fellas.
Speaker 2: I'm conservative, you're a conservative.
Speaker 1: I know it's Willie n She's not a she can't
Speaker 1: be a dope, Joe, she's a dope.
Speaker 2: They met with the regular Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so finally when she became vice president and began
Speaker 1: with the it is time for us to do what
Speaker 1: we have been doing nonsense, they would text me and
Speaker 1: harass me.
Speaker 2: Believe me now, believe me now?
Speaker 4: So good. Yeah, and there are so many of those stories.
Speaker 4: When she was DA, she was a nightmare, absolute cluster,
Speaker 4: you know what. Nightmare?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then she was tough on crime, and then
Speaker 4: she comes a g and she's soft on crime, so
Speaker 4: she'll do or say whatever is necessary.
Speaker 3: Okay, So she's not only not particularly bright, but she's
Speaker 3: not principled either.
Speaker 4: Correct, you're kidding, I know, you're shock.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I had another question. Well, she doesn't pull well
Speaker 3: even in her places where back now, places where people
Speaker 3: know where she pulls worse than Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think she probably when it comes down
Speaker 4: to it has obnoxious personality disorder. In my family, we
Speaker 4: call that OPD.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard it described as a charisma bypass operation.
Speaker 1: So Gavy Newsome is fully aroused by the idea of
Speaker 1: walking into the Oval Office as president. I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's fevered with desire for the office.
Speaker 3: Yes, he is.
Speaker 1: The knock on him is obvious. The ads right themselves,
Speaker 1: the videos are already recorded. Is he smart enough because
Speaker 1: he's a He is a good spinner of bull crap,
Speaker 1: like I've seen him on Hannity and all of his
Speaker 1: The high cost of living is given California this problem
Speaker 1: with homelessness, and we are attacking it on every front.
Speaker 1: I am serious. We need accountability and I have called
Speaker 1: for accountability. He's pretty good at that crap. Is good enough,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: I was kind of surprised that Hannady didn't call him
Speaker 4: out on that. I was pretty disgusting.
Speaker 3: I wanted that bait to happen on his shirt.
Speaker 4: Huh. I think there was an edict that came down
Speaker 4: from the Murdochs. Just make it happen.
Speaker 3: Let all you know what the viewership is going to
Speaker 3: be on Handity's show for Newsome dissantis, it's going to
Speaker 3: be one of the most watched things in recent memory, right.
Speaker 2: Well, and Hannity's no fool.
Speaker 1: As Jack pointed out the next day, they were great
Speaker 1: foils for each other and you could tell they'd agreed that, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to keep this gentlemanly. You're going to please
Speaker 1: the crap out of your side. I'm going to make
Speaker 1: my side happy, and this is great for both of us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember, if it bleeds, it leads, So that's
Speaker 4: all they care about. And that's so frustrating to me.
Speaker 4: It's not a debate, it's a it's not a hardcore,
Speaker 4: hard hitting interview with tough questions. I mean, Hannity really
Speaker 4: didn't ask him tough questions. All he'd have to do
Speaker 4: is Peru's some California media reports on Newsom to have
Speaker 4: done a better job.
Speaker 3: But so if if Biden, you know, wanders off the
Speaker 3: stage and falls in the Potomac or something like that,
Speaker 3: aren't Gavin and commonly going to have to compete against
Speaker 3: each other at some points.
Speaker 4: Which could be delicious. But I also have heard via
Speaker 4: some DC sources that Gretchen Whitmer's in the running.
Speaker 1: Also, I keep hearing Josh Shapiro's name too from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: But so my hair brain theory is that the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party elders are going to go to Kamala, Kamala Kamala
Speaker 1: and say to her and it'll be It'll be like
Speaker 1: when the Republicans confronted Nixon, all the heavies went into
Speaker 1: the ovalops. They're going to go to her and say,
Speaker 1: we are going to allow you to be humiliated in
Speaker 1: a manner no politicians ever been humiliated. You will be
Speaker 1: beaten like a rented mule, or you can accept going
Speaker 1: back to the Senate for life. For the rest of
Speaker 1: your natural life. We will make sure you're a California senator.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's completely KOOKI do you think she'd
Speaker 1: go for that.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's kookie at all. I'm not so
Speaker 4: sure she wants to work that hard. She may just
Speaker 4: require like a vacation home in Lake Cuomo or something.
Speaker 4: I think she's kind of got that Michelle Obama thing,
Speaker 4: you know, she loves the fame and glory but has
Speaker 4: the lazy streak and doesn't want to work that hard.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Interesting, who's a favorite of the California powerful though, between
Speaker 3: Newsom and kam laugh you can only have one.
Speaker 4: I would think they would go for Newsom, okay, Oh,
Speaker 4: because he is a more effective politician sadly.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, huh. Well we're screwed, I think, is the takeaway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, we can hope for a miracle. I
Speaker 4: can't imagine anybody else though, given the international chops Newsom's
Speaker 4: been trying to burnish. Yeah, as well as the national child,
Speaker 4: it seems.
Speaker 3: Like such a kind of like tired easy knock to
Speaker 3: go at Kamlin say she was sleeping with Willie Brown,
Speaker 3: but you think that actually was That's how it started
Speaker 3: the key to her get launching.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. I was a young intern with a
Speaker 4: lobbying association in the mid eighties and you know, back
Speaker 4: and forth to the Capitol every day and watched this
Speaker 4: kind of stuff happen. It was gross, but it's pretty common.
Speaker 4: And that was back during Willy Brown's era too. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he was oh powerful kingmaker.
Speaker 1: Oh and even after he left office. See that's the
Speaker 1: thing to remember this, Like I said, the idea of
Speaker 1: I'm going to run against Willy Brown's girlfriend and maybe
Speaker 1: I'll lose, but I'll still be doing fine in democratic
Speaker 1: circles in this in this state. That's not the way
Speaker 1: it works. He'd cut you off, he'd at the knees,
Speaker 1: he'd murder you politically.
Speaker 3: One of the great things. We got to do a
Speaker 3: lot of radio shows with Willy Brown, and it was
Speaker 3: great to get to do that. Just so I because
Speaker 3: I've always read about people with you know, good politicians,
Speaker 3: with charisman all that sort of stuff, but I've never
Speaker 3: really been around one. Getting to be around him, Okay,
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it. So this is what
Speaker 3: built Clinton's probably like, this is what you know. So
Speaker 3: that's what it feels like to be around because he's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah he was. He was a fascinating fellow. Obviously a
Speaker 4: very successful and talented politician too.
Speaker 3: Well, Like he walks in the room and somehow he
Speaker 3: makes me feel better about myself.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what the hell is that?
Speaker 1: That doesn't even make sense. It doesn't matter what you
Speaker 1: disagree on. He is completely focused on you making you
Speaker 1: feel important.
Speaker 3: That's a weird genetic thing that some politicians have.
Speaker 4: Have you noticed that's missing from politics today?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Most of them are so boring. You're going, you know,
Speaker 4: how can I get out of here?
Speaker 2: Fast enough Ron De Santis, for instance. Yes, I mean
Speaker 2: on paper, on paper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, please, I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a shame.
Speaker 1: Willie Brown an excellent politician, but a better real estate investor.
Speaker 2: Look it up, folks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's funny how he bought that property just
Speaker 1: before the state announced the contract too.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it works there, it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Katie Grimes, who are such big fans, we appreciate you.
Speaker 1: In some time, I hope we can do it again.
Speaker 1: And folks, if you're listening, well, if you're not listening,
Speaker 1: you're not going to hear this. What the hell kind
Speaker 1: of thing is that to say? As you listen? You
Speaker 1: gotta be checking the California Globe constantly if you're a
Speaker 1: Californian or just interested in California politics.
Speaker 2: It's fabulous.
Speaker 3: I got one more question. We saw the polling that
Speaker 3: Biden is now upside down in California. Is that about Israel?
Speaker 4: I'm sure it is, yes, and yeah, and the Arab
Speaker 4: voters and Muslim voters are very unhappy with him, and
Speaker 4: we have them here in California too.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any getting out of that.
Speaker 4: I don't either.
Speaker 1: Of course, he's you know, he's gonna be with God
Speaker 1: soon so it doesn't really matter, but geez, it's a
Speaker 1: no win situation for the old fellaw Definitely yeah, extra
Speaker 1: large