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Speaker 3: I just I feel like that was too much. I've

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Speaker 3: He violated like five different California laws, didn't he.

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Speaker 4: It's okay, I was the meanest HR director alive.

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Speaker 2: Really, you just say to him, get over it.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly pretty much what would happen.

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Speaker 1: Katie Grimes of The California Globe joins us. Katie, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if this ever gets back to you, how

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Speaker 1: many times we've said how great you are and how

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: It is a beacon of light in the darkness of

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Speaker 4: Thank you. That is exactly what we want to do.

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Speaker 4: Be is to not only do state House coverage, but

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Speaker 1: And it's funny of the many comments that we get

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Speaker 1: And I'm told that not only the staffers who support

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Speaker 3: Well what was she doing when she caught the eye

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Speaker 3: As far as you can tell, and you know, be

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Speaker 4: Well, wow, that's how shallow these people are.

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Speaker 1: In a one party state. Yes, are you gonna run

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Speaker 3: Let all you know what the viewership is going to

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Speaker 1: we're going to keep this gentlemanly. You're going to please

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Speaker 1: the crap out of your side. I'm going to make

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Speaker 1: my side happy, and this is great for both of us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember, if it bleeds, it leads, So that's

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Speaker 4: all they care about. And that's so frustrating to me.

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Speaker 4: It's not a debate, it's a it's not a hardcore,

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Speaker 4: hard hitting interview with tough questions. I mean, Hannity really

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Speaker 4: didn't ask him tough questions. All he'd have to do

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Speaker 4: is Peru's some California media reports on Newsom to have

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Speaker 4: done a better job.

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Speaker 3: But so if if Biden, you know, wanders off the

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Speaker 3: stage and falls in the Potomac or something like that,

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Speaker 3: aren't Gavin and commonly going to have to compete against

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Speaker 3: each other at some points.

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Speaker 4: Which could be delicious. But I also have heard via

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Speaker 4: some DC sources that Gretchen Whitmer's in the running.

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Speaker 1: Also, I keep hearing Josh Shapiro's name too from Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: But so my hair brain theory is that the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party elders are going to go to Kamala, Kamala Kamala

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Speaker 1: and say to her and it'll be It'll be like

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Speaker 1: when the Republicans confronted Nixon, all the heavies went into

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Speaker 1: the ovalops. They're going to go to her and say,

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Speaker 1: we are going to allow you to be humiliated in

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Speaker 1: a manner no politicians ever been humiliated. You will be

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Speaker 1: beaten like a rented mule, or you can accept going

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Speaker 1: back to the Senate for life. For the rest of

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Speaker 1: your natural life. We will make sure you're a California senator.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's completely KOOKI do you think she'd

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Speaker 1: go for that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's kookie at all. I'm not so

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Speaker 4: sure she wants to work that hard. She may just

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Speaker 4: require like a vacation home in Lake Cuomo or something.

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Speaker 4: I think she's kind of got that Michelle Obama thing,

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Speaker 4: you know, she loves the fame and glory but has

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Speaker 4: the lazy streak and doesn't want to work that hard.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, who's a favorite of the California powerful though, between

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Speaker 3: Newsom and kam laugh you can only have one.

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Speaker 4: I would think they would go for Newsom, okay, Oh,

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Speaker 4: because he is a more effective politician sadly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, huh. Well we're screwed, I think, is the takeaway.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, we can hope for a miracle. I

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Speaker 4: can't imagine anybody else though, given the international chops Newsom's

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Speaker 4: been trying to burnish. Yeah, as well as the national child,

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Speaker 4: it seems.

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Speaker 3: Like such a kind of like tired easy knock to

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Speaker 3: go at Kamlin say she was sleeping with Willie Brown,

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Speaker 3: but you think that actually was That's how it started

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Speaker 3: the key to her get launching.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. I was a young intern with a

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Speaker 4: lobbying association in the mid eighties and you know, back

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Speaker 4: and forth to the Capitol every day and watched this

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Speaker 4: kind of stuff happen. It was gross, but it's pretty common.

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Speaker 4: And that was back during Willy Brown's era too. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and he was oh powerful kingmaker.

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Speaker 1: Oh and even after he left office. See that's the

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Speaker 1: thing to remember this, Like I said, the idea of

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Speaker 1: I'm going to run against Willy Brown's girlfriend and maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll lose, but I'll still be doing fine in democratic

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Speaker 1: circles in this in this state. That's not the way

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Speaker 1: it works. He'd cut you off, he'd at the knees,

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Speaker 1: he'd murder you politically.

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Speaker 3: One of the great things. We got to do a

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Speaker 3: lot of radio shows with Willy Brown, and it was

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Speaker 3: great to get to do that. Just so I because

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Speaker 3: I've always read about people with you know, good politicians,

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Speaker 3: with charisman all that sort of stuff, but I've never

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Speaker 3: really been around one. Getting to be around him, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I get it, I get it. So this is what

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Speaker 3: built Clinton's probably like, this is what you know. So

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Speaker 3: that's what it feels like to be around because he's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah he was. He was a fascinating fellow. Obviously a

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Speaker 4: very successful and talented politician too.

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Speaker 3: Well, Like he walks in the room and somehow he

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Speaker 3: makes me feel better about myself.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what the hell is that?

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Speaker 1: That doesn't even make sense. It doesn't matter what you

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Speaker 1: disagree on. He is completely focused on you making you

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Speaker 1: feel important.

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Speaker 3: That's a weird genetic thing that some politicians have.

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Speaker 4: Have you noticed that's missing from politics today?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Most of them are so boring. You're going, you know,

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Speaker 4: how can I get out of here?

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Speaker 2: Fast enough Ron De Santis, for instance. Yes, I mean

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Speaker 2: on paper, on paper.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, please, I know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a shame.

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Speaker 1: Willie Brown an excellent politician, but a better real estate investor.

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Speaker 2: Look it up, folks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's funny how he bought that property just

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Speaker 1: before the state announced the contract too.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it works there, it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: Katie Grimes, who are such big fans, we appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: In some time, I hope we can do it again.

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Speaker 1: And folks, if you're listening, well, if you're not listening,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to hear this. What the hell kind

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Speaker 1: of thing is that to say? As you listen? You

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Speaker 1: gotta be checking the California Globe constantly if you're a

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Speaker 1: Californian or just interested in California politics.

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Speaker 2: It's fabulous.

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Speaker 3: I got one more question. We saw the polling that

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Speaker 3: Biden is now upside down in California. Is that about Israel?

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it is, yes, and yeah, and the Arab

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Speaker 4: voters and Muslim voters are very unhappy with him, and

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Speaker 4: we have them here in California too.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any getting out of that.

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Speaker 4: I don't either.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he's you know, he's gonna be with God

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Speaker 1: soon so it doesn't really matter, but geez, it's a

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Speaker 1: no win situation for the old fellaw Definitely yeah, extra

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Speaker 1: large