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Speaker 2: I'm talking about it. Got my mouth surgery yesterday. It
Speaker 2: was emergency surgery. Wait, what my tooth is the tooth
Speaker 2: with the iron mask? You know, like like the movie
Speaker 2: they put iron in there. They said, dude, like, what
Speaker 2: the frick? Like, we didn't make it to the crown.
Speaker 3: You destroyed your dentist as surfer. No, no, no, I
Speaker 3: was like, bro, is like, Bro, you jacked your tooth
Speaker 3: totally up while we were waiting for your permanent crown.
Speaker 3: Now we got to order you a whole, an entirely
Speaker 3: different crown for your tooth. You know that isn't how
Speaker 3: he talks though he's super cool dude, but he had
Speaker 3: to really do some work because I fractured my tooth.
Speaker 4: This is gonna come off as sound like a d bag,
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna go ahead and do it.
Speaker 3: I'm very ignorant when it comes.
Speaker 4: To teeth, despite the fact that my father in law
Speaker 4: is orthodonists. But I never asked questions about it, mostly
Speaker 4: because I really don't care. But but like, what so
Speaker 4: the crowns for a while, if you have a cavity or.
Speaker 3: Something, I had to get a root canal. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: they had, So you get a root canal. When again,
Speaker 3: a cavity, you have to yeah something. No, they don't
Speaker 3: remove it. They just like drill to the the nerve
Speaker 3: and then like yeah to the root. Yeah. And then
Speaker 3: they like killed the nerve and then they let it heal,
Speaker 3: and then they put a crown on it, and it's
Speaker 3: like nothing ever happened, you know. But I had a
Speaker 3: temporary crown on because I'm getting a gold and I
Speaker 3: hear maybe that's the moral of the story. I was,
Speaker 3: I'm getting a matching goal. A goal, yeah, but it's
Speaker 3: in the back. It's in the back.
Speaker 4: Why would okay, hold on, this is great, We're gonna
Speaker 4: break the style. Why would you want to get a
Speaker 4: gold tooth and that no one's going to see in
Speaker 4: the back?
Speaker 2: Gods, I can, right, but no one's ever going to
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 3: So what do you like? I smile pretty big, que
Speaker 3: and I gotta I already have one gold. Have you
Speaker 3: ever saw a gold tooth in my in my mouth?
Speaker 3: Like when I smile, smile enough around, shut up? Some
Speaker 3: people might see it, you know, almost cursed on looking
Speaker 3: deep back in there. That's correct, that's correct. So if
Speaker 3: you see it, if you see it, you know, it's
Speaker 3: because she was really in my mouth. But I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get another one on the opposite side of matching one.
Speaker 3: And I was waiting on it. And while I was
Speaker 3: waiting on it, I guess, I was. I was sitting around.
Speaker 3: I was. I know, I'm not supposed to chew nuts,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't as I was chewing on nut clusters
Speaker 3: and then I fractured my tue.
Speaker 2: Okay, but which one can't be a cashew? Cashews too?
Speaker 3: It was it was a cluster, so it was almonds,
Speaker 3: it was cashws, it was sunflower seeds, and it's like
Speaker 3: put together and like dar kind of like that. But
Speaker 3: they're like they're keto. They're Keto though, so they're pretty good.
Speaker 3: But yes, yes, And I was just sitting there and
Speaker 3: I was chewing and I bit and I felt it boom,
Speaker 3: like I fractured it too. I didn't even know you
Speaker 3: could fracture too. I just thought you break it, which
Speaker 3: a fracture is a break, I guess, But I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'd never heard that terminology use. And
Speaker 3: it scared me, you know. I was sitting there and
Speaker 3: they were like, man, they were going through the language
Speaker 3: of it and taking the X rays and then they
Speaker 3: were like, yeah, da da, there's such and such a
Speaker 3: bicuspics and that one is fractured. I was like, fractured.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's ridiculous. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My dadd has told me said, listen, nuts will get
Speaker 2: you every time. He said, I just relax. He said
Speaker 2: that a trick is you can take almonds and you
Speaker 2: soak them in water to make them some if you
Speaker 2: want to, uh, if you still want to get your
Speaker 2: your almend fixed. All right, this is the part of
Speaker 2: conversation where I have the jump and well, let's get
Speaker 2: the sports.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, we were good until we started get
Speaker 4: into the nuts conversations.
Speaker 3: Too much nuts is not good for you. All right.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, some would say that the Jets organization
Speaker 2: is nuts. Some would say they've been nuts for quite
Speaker 2: some time.
Speaker 3: Sometimes like a nut.
Speaker 2: And apparently it was a nutty situation and departure for
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, who spoke yesterday on the Pat McAfee show
Speaker 2: starring AJ Hawk and Rogers decided to air out the
Speaker 2: New York Jets and describe what the final meeting was
Speaker 2: with Aaron Glenn with Aaron Moogie. This is entire situation debacle,
Speaker 2: if you will. Here was Rogers breaking it all down.
Speaker 5: I figured they went. I flew across country on my
Speaker 5: own dime, but there was going to be a conversation,
Speaker 5: and twenty seconds in he goes, I mean literally, I'm
Speaker 5: talking to the GM about something and he leans to
Speaker 5: the to a sheet and goes, should you want to
Speaker 5: play football? And I was like, yeah, I'm interested, and
Speaker 5: he said we're going a different direction in quarterback and
Speaker 5: I was kind of shocked. Now, not shocked because I
Speaker 5: didn't think that was a possibility. Listen, of course they
Speaker 5: want to move on. That's totally fine, but shocked because
Speaker 5: I just flew across the country. You could have told
Speaker 5: me this on the phone. So I said huh, and
Speaker 5: he goes, we just want to know how you want
Speaker 5: it released the messaging and I said why And then
Speaker 5: he said, I don't want to be up in front
Speaker 5: of the room saying something and have guys looking back.
Speaker 3: At you interesting.
Speaker 5: And I said, what does that even mean? Are you
Speaker 5: assuming that I would be in the back of the
Speaker 5: room during the team meeting undermining what you're saying. I said,
Speaker 5: you don't know me, and he said you don't know me,
Speaker 5: and then I said exactly, which is why I flew
Speaker 5: across the country to have a face to face meeting
Speaker 5: with you to talk about my experience with the Jets.
Speaker 5: What I thought was going to be a couple hour
Speaker 5: meeting turned into like a fifteen minute meeting, and I
Speaker 5: walked out of there.
Speaker 2: So there's your your final moments with the New York Jets.
Speaker 3: And was that a beef? You don't know me, homie. Look, man,
Speaker 3: you don't know.
Speaker 4: This has to look terrible for the Jets, right, Oh gosh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean, because here's the reality of it.
Speaker 4: If if that's how you're willing to deal with the
Speaker 4: guy wh's gonna be a first Battle Hall of Famer,
Speaker 4: how do you feel like they're gonna deal with guys
Speaker 4: who are on the back end of the roster? I
Speaker 4: mean as a player, and I'm not saying that like
Speaker 4: all players like Aaron Rodgers or all players even relate
Speaker 4: to Aaron Rodgers. He seems to have a good rapport
Speaker 4: with his teammates. But you sit there and go, this
Speaker 4: is how this, this is how the team's handling this
Speaker 4: guy like he Now, mind you, he probably flew private
Speaker 4: like his on his own dime.
Speaker 3: It's like that.
Speaker 4: It's not like the team's flying him there on his
Speaker 4: jet to get there, which is a pretty petty if
Speaker 4: you're coming from California to New York and back. Like
Speaker 4: I would estimate, I don't know. Someone who's in the
Speaker 4: industry would would probably correct me, tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: Minimum eighty thousand dollars on hudred thousand just for that trip.
Speaker 3: There and back.
Speaker 4: Minimum, that's probably what he's spent doing it. And to
Speaker 4: not at least want to hear from a guy who's
Speaker 4: won or Super Bowl won what four MVPs seems to
Speaker 4: have a different perspective on the league, but could give
Speaker 4: some insight to Aaron Glenn who's stepping into his first
Speaker 4: opportunity as a head coach and doesn't know this organization,
Speaker 4: regardless of what anyone wants to say.
Speaker 3: Doesn't note as well as Aaron Rodgers. He's been there
Speaker 3: the last two years.
Speaker 4: He's got a much better feel for the pulse of
Speaker 4: Woody Johnson how things have operated the past.
Speaker 3: Couple of years than Aaron Glenn does.
Speaker 4: And he didn't want to take the time just to
Speaker 4: pick his brand and talk to him, even if he
Speaker 4: didn't want to see him as his quarterback.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: It's kind of goes back to like the Bill Belichick
Speaker 4: not getting more interviews, like teams didn't even want to
Speaker 4: take the opportunity when you had a legitimate chance to
Speaker 4: take the opportunity to pick one of the greatest football
Speaker 4: minds mind in an interview, even if you don't want
Speaker 4: to hire him, just bring him into at least interview
Speaker 4: him and see what we can get from him, right knowledge,
Speaker 4: he'll be willing to give up and maybe pour into you,
Speaker 4: your organization, your leaders, whoever. And so for Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 4: you didn't even want to do that. You're just gonna
Speaker 4: jump right to the point. And I guess I understand
Speaker 4: to a degree he doesn't want to waste his time.
Speaker 4: But then to Aaron Rodgers' point, just give them a
Speaker 4: phone call, Like if it's over like that, just give
Speaker 4: him a phone call. This makes it look like the Jets,
Speaker 4: and LaVar has said it all along, our dysfunction, but
Speaker 4: also now it looks even more like a clown show,
Speaker 4: and it feels like you've got a head coach who, Yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe he has an idea of what he's trying to build,
Speaker 4: but it almost makes it look even worse to how
Speaker 4: this year is gonna go with Justin Fields as their quarterback.
Speaker 3: If things don't go well, it's.
Speaker 4: A disaster because you had a guy you could have
Speaker 4: brought back who's a first ballot Hall of Famer, And
Speaker 4: so if he goes somewhere else and plays well and
Speaker 4: not team's in the hunt, or if that and even
Speaker 4: then like forget that, that might be even separate from
Speaker 4: if the Jets just fall apart become a dumpster fire.
Speaker 3: He could be a one and done.
Speaker 4: Like these are some of the things that start to
Speaker 4: come out in the media where it puts more and
Speaker 4: more pressure and makes everyone question, is this guy maybe
Speaker 4: there's a reason why it took him so long to
Speaker 4: become a head coach. He's been a great decordinator, he's
Speaker 4: had a great reputation, but then you watch how he
Speaker 4: handles this instance, this situation, I don't know, man, dysfunction,
Speaker 4: clown show, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3: That's the right back of the Jets are again. I
Speaker 3: have a theory, and the theory is he is acting
Speaker 3: off of off of the feelings of ownership. And I've
Speaker 3: seen this happen before. I've been I've been a party
Speaker 3: to Joe Gibbs falling victim to doing the same exact thing.
Speaker 3: I was the leader of a team, I was the
Speaker 3: face of a of a team of a franchise of
Speaker 3: the town and due to a vendetta that was apparently
Speaker 3: I wasn't really even aware of it, but due to
Speaker 3: a vendetta of the owner and how he turned his
Speaker 3: feelings on how he felt about me, he tasked someone else,
Speaker 3: because he's a coward. He tasked someone else to be
Speaker 3: his henchman, and Joe Gibbs went for it. He took
Speaker 3: the cheese, and his coward ass did the same thing
Speaker 3: like head behind, you know, things he shot in the
Speaker 3: head behind, and the conversations that he and I were having,
Speaker 3: which was interesting because if media was where it was
Speaker 3: at right now, I'd have probably did the same thing
Speaker 3: that Aaron Rodgers did and had the conversation about it,
Speaker 3: and we probably be having the same conversation about how
Speaker 3: you have a dysfunctional organization. I tend to believe that
Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn and handling Aaron Rodgers was totally doing with
Speaker 3: the influence of what he had already had got from
Speaker 3: and communicated with Woody Johnson in terms of how they
Speaker 3: made him feel, in terms of what they think took
Speaker 3: place with Aaron Rodgers in New York, and Aaron Glenn
Speaker 3: was executing what his feelings were towards the situation with
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, and did that under the influences and the
Speaker 3: pretenses of what was fed to him once he came
Speaker 3: to the New York Jets as their head coach. So
Speaker 3: in a way, while we'll say, okay, maybe, as a
Speaker 3: head coach, you don't allow for an owner or corporate
Speaker 3: to dictate how you handle a situation. Keep your emotions
Speaker 3: out of it. You are the head coach of this team.
Speaker 3: You have to manage the relationships with these players differently.
Speaker 3: But that could be also tongue in cheek, because we
Speaker 3: all know this is the man that hires you. This
Speaker 3: could be the man that fires you, whether it's a year,
Speaker 3: whether it's two years, whatever it may be. And he's
Speaker 3: already showing signs of trying to pacify dysfunction. That's my theory.
Speaker 3: I don't think that Aaron Glenn would have wanted to
Speaker 3: take the stance he took with Aaron Rodgers. In fact,
Speaker 3: knowing Aaron Glenn, I would assume he would want the
Speaker 3: best players on his team. I don't think he had
Speaker 3: a choice. I don't think he had a choice in
Speaker 3: the matter of keeping Aaron Rodgers on that roster based
Speaker 3: upon the feelings that were going towards Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn was tasked to make that one of the
Speaker 3: first things that he handled once taking the job.
Speaker 2: So then Woody Johnson is still meddling in decisions, got it?
Speaker 3: I think the influence. I think the only way you
Speaker 3: take because let's be clear, as former players, whether you're
Speaker 3: a coach now, whether we just you know, whatever you're
Speaker 3: doing in your life. When we see one another, we
Speaker 3: greet each other a certain type of way. You're not
Speaker 3: going to like, come out, You're not going to come
Speaker 3: out a guy, hold on, And what type of way
Speaker 3: is that? It's different than anybody else? Right you say, hey,
Speaker 3: I come in. I kind of couple you. We greet
Speaker 3: each other very differently than everybody else. But everybody else
Speaker 3: to us, aren't us. I mean that's I if that,
Speaker 3: if I'm letting the fan base and people in on
Speaker 3: a secret, I'm sorry to do that. It's not that
Speaker 3: we think any less of you. It's just that we
Speaker 3: don't think of you the same way we think of
Speaker 3: one another. That's all. That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: Sorry you if you.
Speaker 4: Could give me the difference between you and Jonas kind
Speaker 4: of seeing each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somewhere on the street or whatever. Then and you
Speaker 3: and I see one another, all right. If I saw Gentinus,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, somebody, what's going on? Brah? If I
Speaker 3: saw you, I'd be like you, what's up? Damn? How
Speaker 3: your body feel? Kids? Is good? Everything? Good? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 3: All right? Man, I was good. I was gonna you know,
Speaker 3: and you always say it's good to see you, like
Speaker 3: three four times when you see somebody that played, you'd
Speaker 3: be like, man, it's good to see you, bro, man,
Speaker 3: so good to see you.
Speaker 2: I was gonna point out like a racial component, but
Speaker 2: you really buckled my knees when you went to.
Speaker 3: Brady on that. Yeah, there's no real quick real quest.
Speaker 3: Is great Jonas, that it exceeds race. Did you see
Speaker 3: me on the street? Why do we greet each other?
Speaker 3: Say again, how would that would me on the street?
Speaker 3: Hey hey Brady, little top gun, Hey hey little up
Speaker 3: top Jonas, what's up?
Speaker 2: Hoss?
Speaker 3: That's football? That's football talk though you can't use hosts. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's you know, that's like maybe high school. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're really trying hard to be a meathead. Yeah you're Yeah,
Speaker 3: that is sometimes cats like you try to overcompensate because
Speaker 3: I want to be greeted that way.
Speaker 2: But it's the same thing if I see LeVar. If
Speaker 2: I see LeVar, I'd be like, so.
Speaker 6: That, you know, what's every time I see Jonas and
Speaker 6: every time we walk together from like the set during
Speaker 6: Radio rodor in Super Bowl, I always am like, Man,
Speaker 6: if I had an oil can, I would try to
Speaker 6: like just inject some oil into Jonas's joints just to
Speaker 6: make him look a little smoother.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: It's just please, it's very rigid. It's a very rigid, stiff.
Speaker 3: That's vampire joints. That's not true.
Speaker 4: There's zero there's like zero skip, zero limbs.
Speaker 3: Zero anything. Because you get to where we go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm floating. All I've got in my body is blood
Speaker 3: and it ain't mine.
Speaker 2: You don't know the vampire life. You know what we
Speaker 2: go through.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Here's here's what's so funny about the Rogers discussion. So
Speaker 2: I'm seeing yesterday people are you know, laying in like,
Speaker 2: oh God, of course it's everybody else's fault. And he's
Speaker 2: this and that and he's pointing fingers and it's like,
Speaker 2: I just want to say, we're not talking about like
Speaker 2: a high functioning, well respected history of great decisions and
Speaker 2: great moves and great we're talking about the Jets. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's plausible that the meeting happened exactly how it happened.
Speaker 2: It's not like Rogers has been known to just lie. Okay,
Speaker 2: people could put, oh, well, you know the COVID stuff
Speaker 2: and all. No, you just he found a loophole in
Speaker 2: his messaging and that's why people are still bitter about it.
Speaker 2: But it's not like we're talking about oh well, this
Speaker 2: is just this is an organization that is pristine and
Speaker 2: all they know is success him saying it about them.
Speaker 2: So you're the one guy who's got a problem with
Speaker 2: the way that they handle things. There, No, we've seen
Speaker 2: this for decades. It's the same story for decades. Insert quarterback.
Speaker 2: It's a disaster, drafted, signed head coach. So like, when
Speaker 2: I hear the pushback on things he's said, look, is
Speaker 2: he a little bit arrogant?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: Is he a little bit aloof at times? Does he
Speaker 2: want to control the messaging? Does he like the attention
Speaker 2: but claim that he does? Probably, But it still doesn't
Speaker 2: admonish the Jets from being palpable in this whole situation
Speaker 2: whatever I'm trying to say, palpable in this whole situation,
Speaker 2: that they're a disaster and they've been a disaster for years.
Speaker 2: And we've brought this point up before on our show
Speaker 2: when the first couple of moves and couple of signs
Speaker 2: are hey, we don't want any part of this. We're
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells saying no, we're good here.
Speaker 2: And that was before we had any sort of intel
Speaker 2: or information on what Woody Johnson's era with the Jets
Speaker 2: was going to be. That should have been the indicator. Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe there's something wrong here. So the pushback on Roger
Speaker 2: I don't get because it's the Jets. They've done this
Speaker 2: for decades and.
Speaker 7: They didn't even play that bad. It's to me, he's
Speaker 7: better than Justin Fields last year. He's better than Justin Fields.
Speaker 7: Can I point out for one instance.
Speaker 4: Don't point out though, where I think a lot of
Speaker 4: people have dug their feet in and it's over as
Speaker 4: far as how they feel.
Speaker 3: It's the whole vaccination thing.
Speaker 4: Yes, that was such a polarizing issue that there's a
Speaker 4: lot of people who maybe they're football.
Speaker 3: Fans, maybe they're not.
Speaker 4: But whenever you talk about politics, religion, things like that,
Speaker 4: and obviously the whole vaccination deal it was polit a
Speaker 4: size and that's why it became so polarizing. But the
Speaker 4: way he messaged the immunized comment and how people took
Speaker 4: that and how this people drew a line in the
Speaker 4: sand back then, and they've never been willing to concede
Speaker 4: on any of that. I mean, this is like outside
Speaker 4: of a sports conversation, Like the people who believed in
Speaker 4: the people who didn't.
Speaker 3: They drew a line and they're not ever willing to
Speaker 3: cross that.
Speaker 4: Like no one's even like even right now, regardless of
Speaker 4: whatever report comes out, whatever side you were on, they're
Speaker 4: sticking to that. They're like, there's no way you're going
Speaker 4: to convince them otherwise. And unfortunately, like he put himself rightfully,
Speaker 4: so he put himself in the middle of that with
Speaker 4: how he handled that, and I think that actually might
Speaker 4: be the most polarizing thing that has still followed him
Speaker 4: to this day, outside of even how he's handled things
Speaker 4: with being so open and honest about, you know, things
Speaker 4: in Green Bay and how the drafting of Jordan Love went,
Speaker 4: or even his time with Brett Favre and everything else
Speaker 4: up there, and now with the New York Jets and
Speaker 4: everything else in his personal life that's become public, which
Speaker 4: with the documentary. So to me, as much as he
Speaker 4: is very unique as an athlete or as a quarterback
Speaker 4: in the NFL, there's also an element of like that
Speaker 4: singular thing, to me created the biggest divide for the
Speaker 4: people who are either for Aaron Rodgers or like Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers or against them. And it's kind of crazy when
Speaker 4: you think about it, and people can say that's not true,
Speaker 4: but you're lying, Like I see it. To this day,
Speaker 4: there's people who still have like ruined friendships on as
Speaker 4: close with their family. There's all sorts of issues from
Speaker 4: that singular moment in time with the way people kind
Speaker 4: of drew a line in the sand, and they're not
Speaker 4: ever willing to cross it and they're not ever willing
Speaker 4: to go back on whatever happened back then.
Speaker 3: He never breaks character either though. That's I think that
Speaker 3: that really irritates a lot of people. And if I
Speaker 3: were a betting man, I would say the way Aaron
Speaker 3: Rodgers conducts himself is an irritant to people. Like a
Speaker 3: Woody Johnson, he does not break character. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 3: he answers questions, especially almost as if it's like a riddle,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like he doesn't break character.
Speaker 3: He stays in that same well you know. And and
Speaker 3: all I wanted to say was yep, I can't you
Speaker 3: could have done at this by the phone. Well you
Speaker 3: don't know me. Well you're right. And and that's why
Speaker 3: I can't like the witty comments that the comebacks. It's
Speaker 3: not it doesn't help. It doesn't help, Like show me
Speaker 3: some emotion, like I'll beat your assed like what oh
Speaker 3: whoa Aaron Rodgers said what you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like it is it is funny how we they don't
Speaker 2: break character. It is funny how we pick and choose
Speaker 2: you know who. We're still gonna punish for things that
Speaker 2: were done and said five years ago during COVID.
Speaker 3: A long time ago. Yeah. Well, Woody Johnson ain't thinking
Speaker 3: about the immunization. He's thinking about how Aaron rod tried
Speaker 3: to ruin him. He tried to ruin me. No, he's
Speaker 3: got there. You better get him. Someone say he's got
Speaker 3: a vested interest, and somebody getting I can't do it myself,
Speaker 3: you guys handling.
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Speaker 2: Do we have an up on the fan that was
Speaker 2: hit by a golf ball by Billy Horschel yesterday at
Speaker 2: that tournament whatever the tournament was, because thatth looked grotesque?
Speaker 2: Did you see that, Brady? The guy shin who took
Speaker 2: a golf ball while in the gallery and horn shot Horse.
Speaker 4: I'm always a big fan though, I'm always a big
Speaker 4: fan of those who are sticking it out, able to
Speaker 4: kind of tough it out through it and basically providing
Speaker 4: a backboard for professional golfers just in case they sprayed
Speaker 4: a little bit outside of the fairway. There's always a
Speaker 4: nice fan in there to help bounce it right back
Speaker 4: in or at least stop.
Speaker 3: It right there in the rough. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He So this guy got a golf ball straight in
Speaker 2: the shin and horseall went over. I think he outlined
Speaker 2: it and then autographed his leg afterwards, and it is revolting.
Speaker 2: So hopefully hopefully that that gentleman is okay and can
Speaker 2: continue on and join the tournament, you know, at the
Speaker 2: Gallery there whatever whatever tournament that was not named the Masters.
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Speaker 2: better get Maco. The Cleveland Browns are holding the number
Speaker 2: two pick in the draft. The betting odds have indicated
Speaker 2: that Travis Hunter will be the pick at number two,
Speaker 2: depending on if the Browns are picking there or not.
Speaker 2: Who knows, but that is the expectation that as far
Speaker 2: as the gambling odds go, that it could be the
Speaker 2: Browns taking Travis Hunter. And so the GM of the
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns, Andrew Berry, spoke about Travis Hunter's skill set
Speaker 2: and also compared him to one of the all time
Speaker 2: great talents that we are currently watching.
Speaker 1: That number two pick is that's kind of how he's viewed,
Speaker 1: is the guy that can do ball versus.
Speaker 3: Just his one side of the other.
Speaker 9: No, I don't see it that way. I think it's
Speaker 9: and I'm going to use a crossburn now, it's a
Speaker 9: little bit like Otani, right, where you know, when he's
Speaker 9: playing one side, he's an outstanding player. If he's a pitcher,
Speaker 9: he's a hitter, he's an outstanding player. You obviously get
Speaker 9: a unicorn if you use them both ways.
Speaker 2: All right, So he's getting the Otani comp. He hasn't
Speaker 2: played in.
Speaker 3: The that's not a good yes, not a good comp.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 3: Well, because what is otan? What does Otani play when
Speaker 3: he's not being a picture? Well? Well done? Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was more so his he doesn't need interpret that's like that.
Speaker 2: That's that sneaky shot. They're like, why do you go down?
Speaker 3: How do you all? Is right there?
Speaker 2: Brady with an undercut? You know, just a little something,
Speaker 2: a little under underneath.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'll say, is his normal position is
Speaker 3: not picture correct? Doesn't he pay like shortstop or something? No? Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: he's a d H d H picture. You know he's
Speaker 3: not a picture all the time. Well, he's not a picture.
Speaker 3: Don't be miss miss like leading.
Speaker 2: Here's why, you know, if you want to say it's
Speaker 2: not a fair comp. First of all, because Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: hasn't done anything in the league yet, But also don't
Speaker 2: don't do that. No, I'm just saying no, I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: is that we have no idea if it's going to
Speaker 2: work out, And if it's the Browns, who.
Speaker 3: Knows, well, that's even more true.
Speaker 2: But Otani he's working to come back. He is hoping
Speaker 2: to pitch at some point this year, and he's a
Speaker 2: great hitter. And so the.
Speaker 3: Baseball players play both sides. They NBA or you know, basketball,
Speaker 3: they play both sides, right, like you play offense and
Speaker 3: you play defense.
Speaker 2: We've never seen anybody be able to pitch and hit
Speaker 2: the way Otani has.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they go both ways. They do both. Well. No,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's you know what I mean, like
Speaker 3: the defense. Yeah, it's not require for you to do
Speaker 3: both in football. So that's why I say it's a
Speaker 3: poor comp But I mean, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 4: You're basically saying, like, for example, if we're counting pitching
Speaker 4: his defense right in baseball, which it would be correct,
Speaker 4: it'd be like him playing pitcher and like, and then
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter playing cornerback and d end right like, that's
Speaker 4: in essence what you're saying. I'm saying, you play both
Speaker 4: quarter and also a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Quarterback. D n White, Dane I mean, I mean that's
Speaker 3: the equivalent of show Hey, yeah, but I would.
Speaker 8: That.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just think that with with Travis Hunter, you're
Speaker 3: getting a unicorn. If he can play at a high
Speaker 3: level and play here here, here's the thing, right, If
Speaker 3: you play on that cornerback and he can become an
Speaker 3: All Pro, that is phenomenal in itself. Period. If he
Speaker 3: plays receiver and can become an All Pro, that is
Speaker 3: phenomenal period. You know, some of the greatest players who
Speaker 3: have ever played this game only have like like a
Speaker 3: handful or less than a handful of first team All
Speaker 3: Pro bids. Right, So if you're good enough to be
Speaker 3: an All Pro player and on that list at your position,
Speaker 3: that's phenomenal. Now, if you have that type of talent,
Speaker 3: are we are we adjusting our scope? Are we saying, Okay,
Speaker 3: he should be an All Pro corner but just be
Speaker 3: a serviceable receiver, or should he be an All Pro
Speaker 3: receiver and be a serviceable cornerback? Like what are we looking?
Speaker 3: How are we? Because again the conversation that we had
Speaker 3: the other day when we were debating, and I know
Speaker 3: you said, you know his status, we looked up his
Speaker 3: stat lines or you looked up his stat lines Q
Speaker 3: and made the point because I think t mac is
Speaker 3: is a guy that is special at the receiver's position.
Speaker 3: But the point is is that if you believe that
Speaker 3: he can be an elite playmaking receiver where he goes
Speaker 3: number two overall in the draft, are you expecting him
Speaker 3: to do that at both positions or is it just one?
Speaker 3: Because I think that plays a major part in all
Speaker 3: of this. Is it both ways or is it just
Speaker 3: one and serviceable to the other. Well, here's what I'd
Speaker 3: say is right if we look at the draft.
Speaker 4: And people always say, oh, you get a fifty percent
Speaker 4: chance of getting a hit on a guy in the
Speaker 4: first round, right, people will say that, well, technically, if
Speaker 4: he plays two positions, gotta get fifty percent chance at
Speaker 4: either one. And so I think the position versatility or
Speaker 4: flexibility is where the value comes in. Is if you
Speaker 4: think he can be like he was in college, a
Speaker 4: top wide receiver and or a top cornerback, then it
Speaker 4: increases your odds of hitting on that pick, of getting
Speaker 4: a guy that is maybe a gold jacket guy at
Speaker 4: one of those two positions. Now, if it ends up
Speaker 4: being both, great, but from just a pure odds betting standpoint,
Speaker 4: If you're a betting man and you're saying, I can
Speaker 4: increase my odds of this player being an impactful players starter,
Speaker 4: pro bowler, All Pro, Hall of Famer at one of
Speaker 4: two positions, it takes some pressure off of you, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, you could play him a wide receiver if
Speaker 4: things aren't going as well, put him at cornerback. Like
Speaker 4: I think, I have a hard time believing that one
Speaker 4: of those two isn't gonna stick for him, at least
Speaker 4: based on what I've seen on tape. Again, I keep
Speaker 4: going back to I think his natural fit for me,
Speaker 4: and this is just more of watching him play both.
Speaker 4: And look, don't get me wrong, he's got natural instincts
Speaker 4: as far as a ball catcher, a great hand, eye coordination, suddenness,
Speaker 4: and his route running.
Speaker 3: But he's still very raw with.
Speaker 4: His route running and that's something that takes time to
Speaker 4: develop whether you're Travis Hunt or any other wide receiver.
Speaker 4: But as a cornerback, he just has a feel for
Speaker 4: the game and how he sees the game and how
Speaker 4: he sees the quarterback and how that you know, and
Speaker 4: different route combinations. I just I feel like that position
Speaker 4: comes to him more naturally and So all I'm saying
Speaker 4: is if you could take someone who proves your chances
Speaker 4: of it being a hit as a general manager, that
Speaker 4: goes on your resume to showcase to the owner and
Speaker 4: everyone else that hey, this is you know, this was
Speaker 4: a hit. This was another another hit, another one that
Speaker 4: worked out for me as a general manager, You're gonna
Speaker 4: take that guy. So I don't know which will end
Speaker 4: up playing on. Maybe the Browns will do both, like
Speaker 4: maybe that'll be part of the intrigue for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: If this is a team that's still at the bottom
Speaker 4: of the AFC North because of the quarterback situation, at
Speaker 4: least you're selling one of those dynamic players we've ever seen,
Speaker 4: potentially in his rookie season trying to play both ways.
Speaker 4: There's something to be said for that.
Speaker 3: If he's listed as both ways, how are you going
Speaker 3: to pay him?
Speaker 4: How do you have to worry about You don't have
Speaker 4: to worry about that for at least three more years,
Speaker 4: But but how do you do you pay him for
Speaker 4: both positions?
Speaker 3: Because that's a roster he's if he is a full
Speaker 3: time receiver and he's a full time corner, your your CBA,
Speaker 3: the draft and the rookie draft, Sellar pool slotted, so
Speaker 3: it doesn't really have anything to do with you know now, Now,
Speaker 3: where where he'll get a bonus is his play snap percentage.
Speaker 3: So remember, because even when he's paid as a rookie,
Speaker 3: he'll get a huge bonus at the end of the
Speaker 3: year if he's playing both ways because of the amount
Speaker 3: of snaps. He's playing on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 3: So that's where he'll be able to.
Speaker 4: Cash in on that. And that's where the eno. You know,
Speaker 4: NFLP has done a good job and trying to reward
Speaker 4: guys who aren't being paid as much, and especially as rookies,
Speaker 4: but they're playing a lot, so it's at least covering
Speaker 4: a Porsche of that gap. And I understand what you're saying,
Speaker 4: but that's three years away. That's that's the first opportunity.
Speaker 3: That man became an All pro on both sides of
Speaker 3: the ball as a receiver and as a corner, which
Speaker 3: we've never seen that happen ever before. How are you
Speaker 3: going to pay that man?
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, because I think it's along the
Speaker 2: lines of what you were thinking, LeVar, but I'll kind
Speaker 2: of throw it at you. Guys if he was just
Speaker 2: a wide receiver, Is he in consideration for the number
Speaker 2: two pick?
Speaker 3: No? No, if he just there's no receiver being considered, right.
Speaker 2: So if he was just a corner, would be would
Speaker 2: he be in consideration for the number two pick.
Speaker 4: No, that's a good way of putting, because I would
Speaker 4: say yes, though I would say yes.
Speaker 3: In that regard. I say, he's not a top five
Speaker 3: pick at corner. I think he's more like Will Howard.
Speaker 3: Is a Will Howard who the corner out of Mill Johnson,
Speaker 3: Will Johns, Will Johnson. I say he's more like that,
Speaker 3: He's more in that that category. Then again, no, I
Speaker 3: take that back. I take I take that back. I
Speaker 3: take that back because I'm thinking about Champ Bailey or
Speaker 3: he's on the level of I mean, actually, yeah, he's
Speaker 3: on the level of a Charles Woodson more so than
Speaker 3: even a Chant Bailey. I mean he's in that category
Speaker 3: of players. So yes, yes, he would. So I'll put
Speaker 3: it this way.
Speaker 4: I think I think he's the best corner and I
Speaker 4: do think in a class that by the way, it's
Speaker 4: not a great wide receiver class. So between t mac
Speaker 4: Luther Burden, you know, Matthew Gold's got a lot of
Speaker 4: buzz in Texas because he's so fast, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know that you go and watch the tape and say, like,
Speaker 4: can he come in and be immediate number one? And
Speaker 4: that's what you're usually drafting him to be. So it's
Speaker 4: kind of interesting. But I think he's one of the best,
Speaker 4: if not the best, in the wide receiver class too,
Speaker 4: So it all depends on how you view him. But
Speaker 4: I think as a cornerback without a doubt. As a
Speaker 4: wide receiver, it might be partially due to the wide
Speaker 4: receiver class though too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a top he's a top five pick. He's
Speaker 3: a top five pick at cornerback. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: go I'm not going to go that far at receiver. Cornerback.
Speaker 3: He's tough, fat pick. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, it looks like it'll be in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: So it would behoove them to try and maximize his abilities,
Speaker 2: Like if you've got that sort of talent, would it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right? Ethertherwise, you know, am I losing sooner?
Speaker 3: All right?
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Speaker 2: So we mentioned now what the Cleveland Browns might do
Speaker 2: a quarterback or excuse me, at the number two pick,
Speaker 2: and the feeling is they're going to go with Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: That's at least what the speculation is. And the question
Speaker 2: then becomes, what's the long term planet quarterback? Well, listen,
Speaker 2: Andrew Berry, the GM there says it's a little too
Speaker 2: early to tell whether or not Deshaun Watson can play
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. I'd like to offer this up.
Speaker 2: Some would argue it's debatable whether or not he's played
Speaker 2: yet for the organization based on what has happened, suspensions, performance, etc.
Speaker 3: Etc.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, now they've got a quarterback room that's got
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett. Joe Flacco was brought back
Speaker 2: he wont comeback Player of the Year a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, and so the discussion was being had with
Speaker 2: the fan in Cleveland. He was talking with Ken Carmon
Speaker 2: and Anthony Lima about the development of quarterbacks in the
Speaker 2: NFL and had this to.
Speaker 10: Say, I do think it's important for young quarterbacks to
Speaker 10: be able to learn. You don't want to put a
Speaker 10: young quarterback in a football game before he's actually ready,
Speaker 10: because you know, there's just so many things in the
Speaker 10: cycle in this league these days is just so quick.
Speaker 10: You want these guys to be ready. And I do
Speaker 10: think there's huge advantages to being able to sit back
Speaker 10: and make sure you get and gain that confidence and
Speaker 10: and really really learn the game and get the team
Speaker 10: surrounded in a good way so that you can go
Speaker 10: out there and have success. And I think that stuff
Speaker 10: happens naturally through like competition in different rooms. And you know,
Speaker 10: like the more competition you have and the more people
Speaker 10: you have competing, the more conversations come up and the
Speaker 10: more people learn. I think that's true in not just
Speaker 10: in sports, but in every environment. You want good people
Speaker 10: in a room together that can push each other and
Speaker 10: then you'll get the most out of everybody.
Speaker 2: So that was Joe Flacco talking with the fan in
Speaker 2: Cleveland about the development of quarterbacks there.
Speaker 4: I mean, well, yeah, he's you know, forty years old now,
Speaker 4: or you know, that's that's what it sounds like. I mean,
Speaker 4: when you played for as long as he has seventeen years,
Speaker 4: it's gonna come off that way. And I think, look,
Speaker 4: going back to his experience, he was a guy who started,
Speaker 4: you know, as a rookie, and you know, they had
Speaker 4: a lot of team success. He was good as a rookie.
Speaker 4: He continually got better and better and better. But you know,
Speaker 4: when you go back and look at the course of
Speaker 4: his career, he had continually developed into the position after
Speaker 4: his first couple of years to really be a guy
Speaker 4: that they could rely on, in particular in the clutch.
Speaker 4: And I think what he probably learned from his looking
Speaker 4: back at his rookie ear and even just playing for
Speaker 4: as long as he played, is you know, and this
Speaker 4: is kind of happens. I think to all of us
Speaker 4: as fathers, like you look at your child or you
Speaker 4: look at younger generations and you're like, oh, I remember
Speaker 4: going through that, Like this is probably what they don't
Speaker 4: know or this is what they need to know in
Speaker 4: order to be able to do this the right way
Speaker 4: or be successful. And now again, playing as long as
Speaker 4: he has, he's seeing all that in real time as
Speaker 4: he's you know, had to kind of come in and
Speaker 4: pinch hit, if you will, for a lot of you know,
Speaker 4: younger guys his Stinton Cleveland back in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, and even last year for
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson, and I think he's very aware of how
Speaker 4: different things are now. You know, for quarterbacks coming to
Speaker 4: the league, where they draft them, they play them, and
Speaker 4: they rinse them out right, they don't get any time
Speaker 4: to really sit, watch and learn unless you're a part
Speaker 4: of an organization that tries to do a right or
Speaker 4: if you've got a Hall of Fame guy sitting there
Speaker 4: in front of him, or at least a Pro Bowl
Speaker 4: caliber guy like an Alex Smith or in the case
Speaker 4: of Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers and then Jordan Love, so
Speaker 4: that that's really few and far between, right, most teams
Speaker 4: are hoping they could find a guy that's gonna be
Speaker 4: a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback, let alone a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4: And so I think is you know, his words are
Speaker 4: wise in the sense of probably everything he's experience as
Speaker 4: a starter, as a backup, as a guy who look
Speaker 4: at he's made a ton of money at this point
Speaker 4: in time in his career, He's won a Super Bowl,
Speaker 4: he's he's continually been able to prove that he can
Speaker 4: still do.
Speaker 3: It, and so he does a need to.
Speaker 4: I think there's a desire of one two and at
Speaker 4: the same time being able to be a guy who's
Speaker 4: he's got five kids. You know, he's he's a family man,
Speaker 4: So he probably sees it from a lot different perspective,
Speaker 4: uh than a lot of guys who played the position,
Speaker 4: especially a lot of the young guys. Dang kids. He
Speaker 4: can sling that pill. Huh. He's a quarterback on and I.
Speaker 2: Think I think he also said he was, uh it
Speaker 2: was kind of nice to get away from his kids
Speaker 2: for a little bit.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: He was kind of half joking, but I think he
Speaker 2: just wanted to break.
Speaker 3: I think it's a I think it's a wise move
Speaker 3: to bring in Flaco for one reason and one reason alone.
Speaker 3: We could work from there. In my estimation, it's because
Speaker 3: you have someone that can stabilize an unstable environment as
Speaker 3: as the quarterback. I think the Deshaun Watson conversation has
Speaker 3: created so much, so much confusion, so much you know
Speaker 3: kind of you know, is a conflict of how you
Speaker 3: want to feel about the situation, is it you know,
Speaker 3: what's next for the situation. There's so much surrounding Deshaun
Speaker 3: Watson that has been a an agent of deterioration for
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns. To bring a rookie into that equation,
Speaker 3: whether they're prepared for mentally, emotionally, physically to be able
Speaker 3: to handle it or not. It's really an unfair task
Speaker 3: and wait to put on the shoulders of a newly acquired,
Speaker 3: a newly hired talent for that position for your team
Speaker 3: and knowing that that that element is still there, like
Speaker 3: whoever goes in has to accept the fact that Deshaun
Speaker 3: Watson still has to be a part of the conversation
Speaker 3: in terms of whose team is this at that position.
Speaker 3: That would be the first thing that I would say
Speaker 3: would be the wisest move in bringing in a quarterback
Speaker 3: would be to bring in a guy like Joe Flacco
Speaker 3: who things like that are not going to bother him.
Speaker 3: He's already clearly shown you that it's not going to
Speaker 3: bother him. He's on borrowed time anyway, He's at the
Speaker 3: end of his career, and anything that he gets from
Speaker 3: this moment on is he's playing with house money. So
Speaker 3: he's going to go in there. He's familiar with the
Speaker 3: front office, he's familiar with guys that are in the
Speaker 3: locker room, and he's going to be a positive force
Speaker 3: to the players that are in there and the other
Speaker 3: people that are around, including the fan base. He's a
Speaker 3: positive asset to add to your team and to add
Speaker 3: to your room. And hey, if Picket proves out then
Speaker 3: and is able to learn some things from Flacco during
Speaker 3: this time, and you get get a bonus and Picket developing.
Speaker 3: If you take a draft pick somewhere, they got a few.
Speaker 3: They they got the thirty third pick in the second round.
Speaker 3: So that's that's a pretty pretty, uh pretty good position
Speaker 3: to be in to either be able to move up
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit in the second round or sit
Speaker 3: there and somebody's going to possibly fall to you at
Speaker 3: that thirty third pick. I think that for what it's worth,
Speaker 3: and you may not hear me say this often, I
Speaker 3: think Cleveland played this particular situation the right way in
Speaker 3: terms of a quarterback that can handle what's going on
Speaker 3: right now in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: When he talks about like developing young quarterbacks and you
Speaker 2: know how to how teams go about or how they
Speaker 2: should go about it, it still blows my mind that
Speaker 2: And I know it's not an exact science and every
Speaker 2: players different and all that, but it still blows my
Speaker 2: mind that you draft a guy as almost he's an investment,
Speaker 2: and I don't know a whole hell of a lot
Speaker 2: about investing, but I do know that it does take
Speaker 2: some time, and you don't want to, like, you know,
Speaker 2: manipulate your investment too soon, because you got to let
Speaker 2: it grow a little bit.
Speaker 3: You gotta let it.
Speaker 2: And Joe Flacco's point was like, man, I think we
Speaker 2: got to be a little bit more patient, But nowadays
Speaker 2: they're just not. They want to know now, all right,
Speaker 2: can you play now?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Who the hell knows? Like it could be situation, it
Speaker 2: could be time, it could be another scenario altogether. Alex
Speaker 2: Smith took years before he developed. He went through like
Speaker 2: seven coaches or offensive coordinators, whatever it was, and finally
Speaker 2: he found something. Had they pulled the rugout early on,
Speaker 2: he would have never developed into a guy that, you know,
Speaker 2: brought Kansas City to where they were before Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: took over and got him over the hump. You look
Speaker 2: at Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield. Man, if you would have
Speaker 2: talked to the Brown's back then the book was written
Speaker 2: on Baker Mayfield. And yet for some reason it just
Speaker 2: feels like, no, we got to know. Now we need
Speaker 2: an answer. Now it's an investment. But no, no, no, we
Speaker 2: got to have some answers, We've got to have some returns.
Speaker 3: Now, I feel like Baker Mayfield might have done something,
Speaker 3: they flirted with the wrong person or something man, And.
Speaker 2: I thought, look, I think I think Rogers.
Speaker 3: In person, somebody's hey, he upsets somebody.
Speaker 2: I think Rogers, you know, has kind of made this
Speaker 2: point before to where like, man, there's there's got to
Speaker 2: be some trust, like some hey, look, we are trusting
Speaker 2: You're making the decision, and we're trusting this pick at
Speaker 2: this time, and let's let it grow. Instead it's like,
Speaker 2: now he can't play, he's got to go like and
Speaker 2: there's so many examples of that, And I don't get
Speaker 2: why in a in a business like the NFL, where
Speaker 2: you are dependent on everybody around you to be successful,
Speaker 2: why it all comes down to, now that guy can't
Speaker 2: play well, No, Like, you've got to produce the environment
Speaker 2: for him to play. And that seems to be lost
Speaker 2: in so many situations.
Speaker 4: So I keep going back to, too, how different the
Speaker 4: game is at the NFL level from the college level.
Speaker 4: And I hope people understand this that RPOs they're not
Speaker 4: as capable or impactful of the NFL level because the
Speaker 4: rule that you could only have an eligible lineman, for example,
Speaker 4: downfield only a yard.
Speaker 3: In college and high school.
Speaker 4: It's three and honestly it's more like three and a
Speaker 4: half because it's so hard for officials to be able
Speaker 4: to see it at that point in the play. I
Speaker 4: mean when when you picture or think about an offensive
Speaker 4: lineman moving three yards downfield, that's a couple seconds into
Speaker 4: the play, right, he's moving through a gigantic human being
Speaker 4: across from Even if he's uncovered moving up to the
Speaker 4: next level, he's still trying to get a sense for
Speaker 4: what that linebacker is going to be because don't get
Speaker 4: a twisted it is a run play, all right. There's
Speaker 4: different types of passprotex is. There's pass pro, there's run
Speaker 4: action pro. Where it's a pass play. The linemen know
Speaker 4: not to go downfield, but they are doing their best
Speaker 4: to block it like it's a run and so their
Speaker 4: responsibilities in regards to pressure are off. They don't adjust
Speaker 4: anything they're doing. They are relying on the fake then
Speaker 4: a run action pass protection to be able to take
Speaker 4: care of whatever is going on and pre snap. If
Speaker 4: the quarterback sees something that he's like, this is a disaster,
Speaker 4: you get out of it right, you audible out of it.
Speaker 4: But it's entirely different with an RPO, it is a
Speaker 4: run play. That quarterback has the opportunity to hand that
Speaker 4: football off high school, college level, even at the NFL level,
Speaker 4: the way it's taught, and then you're triggering or you're
Speaker 4: reading off one player on defense, and so the game
Speaker 4: has become so simplified at the high school to college
Speaker 4: level to where you have one of two choices. You're
Speaker 4: either keeping it and you're gonna throw, depending on what
Speaker 4: that defender does, if he steps up to stop the run,
Speaker 4: or if we still back in coverage, you're gonna hand
Speaker 4: the football off. And honestly, RPOs have replaced what used
Speaker 4: to be quick game, the three step game, where even
Speaker 4: in three step drop it sounds somewhat simple right one, two.
Speaker 3: Three, you're throwing the football.
Speaker 4: You're not really able to hitch up in the pocket
Speaker 4: because you're not getting any depth. You still had to
Speaker 4: read coverage. Even in a three step game, you had
Speaker 4: a one high or two high look, meaning if there's
Speaker 4: one safety in middle of the field, you're working to
Speaker 4: your left. If there's two high safeties right, a split
Speaker 4: safety look, you're working to your right, or there could
Speaker 4: be a three by one set where you're checking your
Speaker 4: backside singled up route.
Speaker 3: If you like it, you take it. If not, you're
Speaker 3: probably working a quick progression to the other side.
Speaker 4: So that used to be like the simplest form of
Speaker 4: passing back when I was young, back when a lot
Speaker 4: of quarterbacks were growing up through an era and a
Speaker 4: time where you used to play under center a little
Speaker 4: bit more, or even if you were in shotgun.
Speaker 3: That was part of the quick game. The RPO game has.
Speaker 4: Essentially replaced that because you get the ability to put
Speaker 4: the defense in conflict much more. There's that run pass
Speaker 4: conflict of reading that overhang defender or whoever whatever defender
Speaker 4: it is to decide if you want to throw or
Speaker 4: run the football. And if you think about what three
Speaker 4: step passing game was, it was like a glorified handoff.
Speaker 4: It was a higher percentage pass that you're gonna be
Speaker 4: able to to complete and not get a big gain,
Speaker 4: but move the sticks or at least get enough of
Speaker 4: a game where it puts you in third and manageable,
Speaker 4: or you're back on track if you happen to take
Speaker 4: a loss on first down and so you're back in
Speaker 4: third and manageable, right, you know, in those instances. So
Speaker 4: to me, the subtle difference is in how the game
Speaker 4: is taught at high school to college and now to
Speaker 4: the NFL. Is one of those things that it takes
Speaker 4: time and then you're making these decisions in seconds. One
Speaker 4: one thousand and two, one thousand balls got to be out,
Speaker 4: and you've got all these other things you have to.
Speaker 3: Be worried about.
Speaker 4: It's not really that way at a lot of the colleges,
Speaker 4: even with some of the NFO. You know, coaches that
Speaker 4: are down at that level or even what they're asking him,
Speaker 4: you know what they're doing. And it's why the NFL
Speaker 4: has had to adapt a lot of their offensive scheme
Speaker 4: to what these quarterbacks are accustomed to doing because they
Speaker 4: don't have the time to develop and no one has
Speaker 4: the patience anymore to see if they can develop into
Speaker 4: being that guy. They have to be able to show
Speaker 4: it in their rookie year otherwise everyone throws them the wayside.
Speaker 3: That's weird, man.
Speaker 2: It's unfortunate for these guys that just get lumped in
Speaker 2: like n Think about Kenny Pickett, what's he on his
Speaker 2: third team?
Speaker 3: Third team? He just got drafted and he just got traded.
Speaker 2: He's traded twice, so this third team like he just
Speaker 2: got into the league.
Speaker 3: Like not that long ago.
Speaker 2: We were at that draft in Vegas when he was
Speaker 2: when he was selected, and just the books apparently already
Speaker 2: written