WEBVTT - Garret Dillahunt 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.400 Yeah, and I did some I did some soaps. I 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.360 got this recurring on a soap and cash my little checks, 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.480 and I would just look at the stack of cash 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.520 in my cupboard, you know, I put it up. I 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:12.520 just opened the door and look at it, like, look. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.240 At that, Look at that cash. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:17.840 There must be a thousand dollars there. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:18.080 You know. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:23.720 It's just like right, so stupid, but so wonderful, you know. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:25.959 And just the fact that I kept going kind of 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.160 always shocks me. I was so dumb, I didn't know 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:29.360 to quit. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:34.680 Hi. 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:39.760 I'm Garrett Dillant, and I was a little stoned for 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:40.839 this entire interview. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:53.280 Hi everybody, it's Brian Baumgartner here, the host of your 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:58.400 absolute favorite podcast, I'm sure of it, Off the Beat. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:00.880 Thank you for joining us today. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:05.440 Is well from his own self introduction a second ago, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.960 you could probably already tell this is a fun one. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.720 You are in for a real treat with today's guest, 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.800 Garrett Dilla Hunt. Now, I am not high, but we 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.840 do have a lot of other stuff in common. We 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.959 both started in the theater, we both knew Rain Wilson 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:28.319 as a stage actor. We both guest starred on Criminal Minds, 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.440 and we both appeared in a music video together where 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:37.800 we did a choreographed dance. This is all true, and honestly, 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.480 all of it was pretty good, so you should go 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.959 check it out. Garrett does, however, have a number of 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.640 other credits that well that I do not. He is 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:51.040 in one of my all time favorite movies Academy Award 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.800 winner No Country for Old Men, and one of my 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:59.280 favorite television shows, dead Wood, not to mention the fact 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.640 that he was in Fear of the Walking Dead dead 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.360 to me, Dawn of the Dead, The Dead Don't Hurt. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.839 Yes, we're sending a theme here, Okay, Well, here we go. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.280 There are some not dead titles to Raising Hope, The 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.320 Mindy Project, Hand of God, and a brand new series 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:21.720 called Ghosts of Beirut, which I am very excited about. Now, 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.680 Garrett is going to regale us with tales from his 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.520 college days in Seattle, his theater days in New York, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.760 and his current days in Hollywood. Sit back and enjoy 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:40.280 this conversation with the fantastic Garrett Dilla Hunt. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:51.360 Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and Squeakano, Bubble 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.160 and Squeak. I could get every mon lift over from 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:56.400 the ninety four. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.960 What's up, carrot? Hey man, how are you? I'm good. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:12.880 It's been a long long time. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.920 It's been a long time. Now do you remember the 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.280 last time we saw each other? 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.600 Was it that music video? 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:23.520 Oh? 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:30.400 The music video? Okay, no, I don't think so. Actually, 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.240 so this came to me. I think you were in it. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:40.760 If you weren't in it, disregard, but hand of God. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.119 Yeah I was in Hand of God. 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:45.119 Of course you were. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.000 Yeah, that's right, but well, thank you. That's really what 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:49.280 I was. 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:51.360 We didn't have any scenes together. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.000 Well now, wait a second, so maybe now, maybe you 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.520 weren't in it. And if you weren't, then that because 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.280 I was trying to think, I was like, we had 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.680 to have been together at some point, but I was 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:06.280 all with Ron. But then there was a weird sex dream. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:12.120 Were you in the sex dream? And it was God, 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.160 you weren't in the set? You weren't in the sex dream? Well, 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.640 because I was so distracted, because it was one of 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:22.479 these things where I was, this is going off the 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.640 rails already, But because I was like, and I tried 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.200 to search to find out if you were there, because 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.000 I was it was in the show with Ron the 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:35.760 whole time. Except this one weird sex dream and I 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.679 was meeting everyone else kind of for the first time, 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.840 and it was like in between Dana Delaney's legs and 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.600 it was me and not Ron, and we were and 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.440 I was just trying to stay very focused. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.800 Its good? Was it always that way? Why is it 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:52.920 always the first day? 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:58.640 Nice to you, Hi, Dana? How are you? 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.680 It's so this is I apologize for what's about to 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.520 happen here for the next four hours. 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.440 I apologize that was not me. 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.240 I would definitely remember. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.719 That you weren't in it, Okay, well that was the 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.039 thing is it was a screaming rewatch. No, I know, 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:19.040 we hand of God everyone Ron Perlman, Yes, I loved 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.200 that show. It was it was it was gone too 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:23.799 soon as far as I'm concerned. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.800 You fit right in. I I remember because I saw 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.839 the episodes. We didn't have any scenes. 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.800 I think we had no No, we had together all right, 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.159 Well here you go failed. Yes, there was a music 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:38.000 video though. That was that was Ingrid Michaelson. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.000 Ingrid Michaelson. Who's so talented, isn't. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:43.320 She so talented? 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.400 And what's funny actually is that I ended up in 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.200 bed in a weird pajama silk thing in that too. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:49.800 With with the. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:57.240 On something here, pedal pedals all over me. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:04.680 That's another one. Ingrid Michael music video good to see 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.599 You again. I in going back and doing a little 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:13.520 dive into you. I didn't realize how many similarities we have. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:15.920 We'll talk about that in a minute. But you grew 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.480 up in Washington, I know, born in California. What were 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.160 your earliest influences? What were you watching as a kid. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.720 What were some of your your favorite shows? 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.680 I really loved Alias Smith and Jones. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:30.360 Okay, that one. 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.320 It was a Western with Hannibal Hayes and Kid Curry, 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.159 the two most successful outlaws the West has ever known. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.520 Out of all the trains and banks they robbed, they 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.240 never shot anyone. I know, right. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:44.120 I love that. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.440 I loved like six Million Dollar Man and Incredible Hulk, 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:53.360 Bill Dixby and Luke Can the Wolf Boy. Do you 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:54.400 remember any of these? 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.760 I don't, none of you. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.960 Yeah, this is these are unexpected hits like yeah. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.719 Well now rewart taste, I think, Yeah, when did. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.600 You When did you first begin thinking about yourself as 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.560 a as a performer or an actor? I mean, I 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.720 know you went to UWU studied journalism. Were you interested 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:16.640 in the arts prior? 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:23.000 Well, you know, like a lot of us, pretty shy, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.880 you know, particularly in those days, you know, really shy. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.760 And I never never would have thought i'd be an actor. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.600 I couldn't conceive of getting up in front of people 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.239 and doing anything. But I wanted to be a writer, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.400 you know, so that was artistic. And I like to draw, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:41.760 but my pursuits were more solitary, I think, originally interesting, 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.480 but yeah, and I didn't This is always the weird 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.120 part of these interviews. When I was a senior in 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.600 high school, my older brother was killed in a drunk 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:55.880 driving accident, which totally threw me for a loop and 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:00.280 sent me into college in a very you know, fucked up, 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.680 you know, as you can imagine. And everybody has tragedy 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.480 of one sort or another, but I was. I was 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.240 really lost and drifting and I didn't know. I did 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.960 journalism because that's what the plan was, because I was 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.440 a star on the school newspaper in high school and thought, well, 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.560 this is what I'll do. And I really stumbled into 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.280 an acting class. Basically it was a I thought I 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.720 should write some plays, So what's that about? And everyone 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.400 had said you should take an acting class so you 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.360 know what you're writing for, and which was a terrifying prospect. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.440 But I just thought I'd take this one class and 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:34.800 get out. And that was my last year of college 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:39.040 at you dubbed there, and I just loved it. I 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.320 just was like, oh, I'm sure it was therapeutic, you know, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.440 I was. I could not I could be someone else, 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.640 someone else tell me really smart things to say that 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.400 I never could have thought of. You know, you have 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.600 this idea about yourself it's sort of worthless or whatever. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.240 It was just I just I just dove in. I did. 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.520 I was doing so many things at want because I 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.480 just I just want to I just want to be 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.440 somebody else. Then I just loved it. I finally found 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.480 something I could do. I felt like, and uh and 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.920 and give me a scape. But it established some habits. 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.640 I'm still kind of doing that. I still kind of 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.920 go from one thing to another and maybe should be 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.880 a little pick here, you know, but I don't know. So, yeah, 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:22.679 that that was my first inklings. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.080 Well that I mean that that one. That's surprising to 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.240 me that it was, that it was so late. I mean, 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.920 I certainly share with you and and it's it's even 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:37.160 hard for my mom to understand that that that that 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:44.480 attention isn't something that I want or ever really wanted that, 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.360 you know, for me, it's when you begin to transform 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.000 into that character or. 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.840 I don't know's I know you feel you feel cheesy 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.079 talking about it, but it's true. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:02.560 Yeah, but but for you for it to have happened 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:08.280 so late is very surprising. Did you then begin taking 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.840 other classes? I know eventually you landed in the mattress 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:17.080 program at NYU. Was that immediately after school or how 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:17.920 did that come about? 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:18.400 No? 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.880 I kind of got out of school and thought like, oh, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.960 now what and I just kind of acted around Seattle 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.360 for a year and then and then I thought, you know, 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.360 I was doing tons of plays whatever I could do, 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:35.040 and sleeping and stairwells. He didn't care. You didn't care 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.280 when you're young, you know what I mean? Yeah, I 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:43.040 could sleep anyway, you know, But I just got I 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.480 don't know what I'm doing. I need some training, And 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.440 so me and a bunch of other people there were 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.880 these things called the leagues. Back then, it was a 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.600 certain it was just a collection of schools like Yale 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.320 and Juilliard and n Y U and a lot of 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.400 others that kind of comprised this supposed superior actor training. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.280 But there was tons of schools across the country, and 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.040 they held auditions in three places at that time. Now 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.360 it's everywhere, or you can probably zoom it in, but 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.000 you had to get to Chicago, New York, or San 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.680 Francisco to audition, and there'd be a ton of schools there. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.120 I was a security guard at a bank, like the 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.200 night shift at a bank, which would keep me free 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:22.959 to audition or do stuff. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:23.360 During the day. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.480 And that's where I honed all my monologues from my audition, 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.880 powder blue security guard uniform in an empty conference room, right, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:37.280 practicing as a monologue. What a dork, but what what 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.640 flun Anyway, carpooled some tiny dots in with a bunch 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.480 of friends of mine who were also auditioning down to 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:48.000 San Francisco and slept in somebody's hallway. And I didn't 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.520 have any money for the application fees, which seemed exorbitant 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.680 at the time, you know, seventy five bucks or something 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.520 just to apply, you know, and it was you know, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:02.320 it limited your choices. So I just had to crash. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.640 I just had to crash. Everybody. I just went up 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.840 to the desk and this is my name. I don't 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.080 have the money for the fee. Do you have an 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.959 empty slot? You know? And a lot of them let 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:19.319 you in. You know. Julliard did not Yale. 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:19.920 Yeah, you know. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.520 I wasn't playing by the rules, you know, So I understand. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:29.480 But YU did and act and UC San Diego. There's 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.680 a place called the Denver Center, real good places. And 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:36.960 Rain Wilson had left UDUB just before I did to 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.320 go to n YU, so that was maybe in my 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.240 brain a little bit too. He was a kind of 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.920 wonder kind at the undergrad program there got all the 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:47.800 juicy parts. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:49.120 Did you know him? 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.560 And then you know him? I knew him a little bit. 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.120 I mean I knew from around we were. My roommate 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.520 was another great guy named Matt Ross, who was mainly 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.920 directing now he does. But those two were great and 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:03.920 got cast and everything, and I was, like I said, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.000 just starting. So I'd see them at callbacks and stuff 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:08.360 and think, well, they're going to get it. Or I 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.520 would always say something stupid or do something really naive 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.120 and stupid. So I felt like he liked to me 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:20.680 very much, just like, oh god, you know, but yeah, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.280 he's a he's a good dude, good friend. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.800 Well, by the way, you always expect that he's he's 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:27.760 not gonna like you very much. I mean that is 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.320 sort of par for the course, even after Yeah, it's 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.440 just his face, his smug face, the. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:41.360 Asshole solving the world's problems. Yeah, exactly, smart. 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:43.199 Bad about myself. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:51.120 Let's start a boozeline, you and me. But anyway, Yeah, 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.080 so then I chose en by You just because I'd 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.280 never I got into NYU and a couple others, and 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.440 I'd never been east of Montana. That was my logic. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.720 I wanted to see the east. I went to NYU, 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.720 and thank god I did. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:06.880 What did that experience give you? 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.840 I think it was just a safe place to land. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.679 You know, I'd gone from my small town to Seattle 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.360 and the size of that city was mind boggling to me, 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.480 and it seemed so confusing. And then it went from 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.840 there to New York, which you know, I was I 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.320 was like John Voyden midnight cowboy there. I just was 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.680 so out of place and like dressed like an alien 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:34.400 found you know, human clothing from nineteen seventy nine. It 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.120 was just it was, you know, amazing. You know when 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.120 there was a group of people waiting for me that 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.440 would helped me out, and it was a good experience 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:45.520 for me. I think being very inexperienced helped, you know 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.400 what I mean. I wasn't coming in with any real 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.320 barriers at the breakthrough or anything like that. But I 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.160 don't think it's for everybody, conservatory training, but it was 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:54.640 good for me. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:59.520 Were you focused at that time on the business at 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.960 all or for you was it just about Was it 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.240 about learning the craft? 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:04.720 Yeah? 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.000 I wasn't really aware of the business that much. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:08.880 Mhm. 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.120 Unfortunately, you know, I wish I was. I wish, But 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.080 to this day, I'm not great at it, you know 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:19.200 what I mean. But I'm also not afraid of it, 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.640 you know, which I think was the more important factor 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.720 of that, you know, because it's it's a part of it. 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.200 If you're not if you're not going to play a 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.480 little bit, then you're just wasting your time. You're just 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.040 going to be sad, you know, right. So I was, 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.760 I was not. It took a while. I just I 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.560 just was going to do plays and that that that 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:38.480 that's all I need. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.120 So that's that's sort of our first similarity. I mean, 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.240 I started and for you know, seven years out of 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.880 out of college, for me, I was I was a 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.000 theater actor, and that's where I thought my life was. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.760 That's that was all I saw and really wanted to be. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:58.560 I know, you, it's a great life. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:00.720 If you could get just a little better pay, be 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:01.400 a great life. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:02.080 Right. 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.120 What is it for you about live performance? What do 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.000 you like about you say it's a great life. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:09.960 It is. I mean, I haven't done it play in 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.120 a while, It's been maybe six years or so, neither. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.880 But I feel very fortunate in the things I've gotten 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.240 to do on film and TV, Brian. I feel like 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.440 an actor, you know, I feel challenged, you know most 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.960 of the time, you know, and that's I am aware 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:29.080 that that's that's a huge stroke of luck. And I 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.320 feel very fortunate to get to play interesting characters because 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:33.640 a lot, you know, I have a lot of very 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.160 talented friends that get stuck playing one thing or repeating 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.840 that thing over and over or whatever. I think to 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.880 theater trained people, that's we always knew, that's what it was. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.440 We're going to play a bunch of people. And that 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.800 was the interesting part to stand in all these different 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:54.480 shoes and learn and culture and grow your empathy. So 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.240 I don't want to sound I say all that to 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.840 say like I don't. I don't want to come across 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.960 as like I'm I fancy myself as some amazing theater guy. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:04.600 You know, I. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.400 It's a mistress. I haven't visited in a while, and 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.320 it's I feel guilty about it, but I sure loved it. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.480 When I was exclusively doing that, it gave me. It 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.800 gave me everything I'm doing now right, And I think 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.760 I loved I loved I loved the work. I love. 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.760 I love having time to really get in there with 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.959 a bunch of like minded folks and and spend some 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.679 weeks figuring out exactly what's going on here, and then 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.720 how to tell it the best. I think I really 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.080 love that process. And then and then that the fact 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.840 that every night is different. You know that the audience 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.200 is an actual factor in the way this is gonna 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.600 gonna work tonight. You know what I mean? It's different 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.200 every every night, just a little bit can knot get 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.000 way off course or to a whole new exciting place 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:51.880 that you didn't expect. 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.600 Isn't that interesting? Because You're You're exactly right, every night 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:01.040 is different. Yet on the face of it, you're doing 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:07.400 the same thing everything right, and yes, and now you're 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.840 exploring a character or a story. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.320 For as short as a week to you know. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.399 Three or four months on a film or you know, 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.160 years and years. But still every day you're doing something, 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.400 you're doing something different. But you're right, it is about 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.320 the immediacy and the feedback that you're getting from a 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.160 particular audience at a particular time. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.760 I mean, yeah, it's certainly an important part in the 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.639 equation anyway. I know if it's the biggest, but it's big. 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:38.959 It's great to be in places where there's just moments 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.440 of inspiration, isn't it? You know what I mean? When 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:46.919 when everybody's present, it's miraculous that anything gets made with 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.720 all those egos in one room or so many people 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.080 and entities to satisfy, and you still come up, you 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.760 come up with the show. You're like, hey, we did it, 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:57.720 we did it. It's miraculous. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:15.399 It is. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.480 When you began transitioning to film and television, was this 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:24.000 an abrupt shift? I heard or you have have been 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:30.080 quoted as saying that you did theater until you got hungry, 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.800 literally hungry. And that's when I was scared it auditioning 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:35.840 for film and television? 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:36.919 Now, is that true? 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.200 Kind of you know? It was. I remember the day 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.320 I lived in this great little apartment on seventy first 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.840 in Columbus. I mean, the walls built to the side 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.800 of the bathtub comprised one you know, it was like 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.080 three hundred square foot place. I mean, but I loved 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.439 it so much. It was so cheap, and it allowed 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.640 me to travel around the country and do theater whatever else. 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.880 You know, I didn't have to find a sub letter necessary, right, 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.919 but I was. I was hungry that day, and I 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.919 was like, the cupboard was kind of bear and I 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:11.160 was like, you know, I'm going to make for dinner tonight. 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.040 And I was and I went outside, like where am 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.520 I going to get some dinner? And I passed a 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:19.560 classmate of mine, someone who graduated sometime after I did, 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:23.040 and he was just like, man, dude, I saw you 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.560 the bentioned doing the New York Times. That was such 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.000 a great review or what you know, whatever thing I 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.960 had been doing, right, like, you're doing so good. You're 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:36.280 working NonStop, and and in my head I was thinking, 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:41.160 I'm doing good, Oh my god, you know what I mean, 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.880 I'm like, oh my god, he's I don't know where 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.000 dinner's coming from, and you know what I mean, And 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.520 it just it skewed me a little bit. And I 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:54.840 just was like, I deserve I deserve to be paid something, 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:59.959 a livable wage, you know what I mean. I'm not 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.360 here and cancer, but you know I'm working hard for you, 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.280 and I don't know. It just made me wish i'd 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.840 branched out earlier before. There's no reason I couldn't if 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:10.440 no one was saying not to. I just didn't know 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.920 how to do it or what I was doing. Yeah, 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.640 and I did some I did some soaps. I got 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.320 this recurring on a soap and cash my little checks 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:20.520 and I would just look at the stack of cash 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.560 in my cupboard, you know, I put it up. I 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:24.400 just opened the door and look at it, like, look 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:28.800 at that, Look at that cash. There must be a 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:29.600 thousand dollars. 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:30.080 You know. 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:35.720 It's just like right, so stupid, but so wonderful, you know. 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:37.960 And just the fact that I kept going kind of 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.919 always shocks me. I was so dumb. I didn't know 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.840 to quit. But I really enjoyed being on a set. 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:46.240 And then Deadwood made me have fun. 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:48.200 Yeah, I want to talk about dead. 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.600 What I first want to ask you just and this 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.840