Speaker 1: What's up.
Speaker 2: Family, it's your girl to Mika d.
Speaker 3: Mallory and it's your boy, my son and general.
Speaker 4: We are your host of street politicians, the place where
Speaker 4: the streets and politics me.
Speaker 1: What's something nice?
Speaker 2: How you doing it?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm blessed? How you favored on this blessed Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I haven't made a few of latest today.
Speaker 3: Yes you are latest.
Speaker 1: My apologies, my apologies. Well, it is a blessed day.
Speaker 1: Every day is a blessed day.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you so much stuff that's happening in the
Speaker 4: world that every day you have to acknowledge that you
Speaker 4: are still.
Speaker 3: Here because because you could not be.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things going on, I tell you.
Speaker 4: But we got a I'm late, and we have a
Speaker 4: good show, good guests coming up who I'm sure wants
Speaker 4: to get into some very specific conversation around the politics
Speaker 4: and our nation. And you know, I think you know
Speaker 4: one of the things that's important on Sundays. We have
Speaker 4: started obviously you weren't able to do it on this
Speaker 4: past Sunday, but we've started a new thing where were
Speaker 4: going live to cover different issues and give people opportunity
Speaker 4: to talk about stuff happening in their communities, things they
Speaker 4: care about. Issues that's happening because on the show, we
Speaker 4: generally get, you know, just the one guest in and
Speaker 4: maybe we can talk about some issues, but due to timing,
Speaker 4: as we know, it always sort of you know, and
Speaker 4: also the final edits and all of that stuff, people
Speaker 4: get to hear just a portion of what we've discussed
Speaker 4: and or we only present a portion. And so I
Speaker 4: think the Lives that we are now doing on Sundays
Speaker 4: is going to help us to give more space to
Speaker 4: more people, a wide array of folks to come on
Speaker 4: and talk from different perspectives. And the reason why I
Speaker 4: thought of that as it relates to our guests today
Speaker 4: is because sometimes we don't agree, or we often have
Speaker 4: you know, we have different perspectives. I wouldn't say we
Speaker 4: don't agree, because we agree on a lot of things,
Speaker 4: but we have different perspectives. And on the Live this week,
Speaker 4: I had Tony lindsay on, who's one of my Facebook
Speaker 4: friends who's now become our guide that comes to our
Speaker 4: events and whatnot. And Tony and I often have debates
Speaker 4: about a lot of different issues. And I think what's
Speaker 4: important is that so many people think we only talk
Speaker 4: to folks that we know you only talk to people
Speaker 4: who say yes, yes, man, and it's not true. Every
Speaker 4: day we're in conversation with people, including you and I,
Speaker 4: debating issues back and forth. So I'm excited to hear
Speaker 4: what will happen and therefore we will have to move along.
Speaker 3: You know, I definitely I am excited to hear what
Speaker 3: the guest has to say.
Speaker 5: You know, it's so much going on, like you said
Speaker 5: over the weekend, you know, I want to say Hapy birthday.
Speaker 5: It's two of my close friends, my boy HARRYO and
Speaker 5: my boy Shelby, you know, Virbal and my sister. We
Speaker 5: make sure I don't forget that birthday September tenth, so
Speaker 5: you know, went and celebrated him. And then you know,
Speaker 5: when you when you're just around family and friends, it
Speaker 5: just reflects, like you said, we got to be happy
Speaker 5: that we're still here because everybody didn't make it here,
Speaker 5: you know. So it's so many different things that go
Speaker 5: on in our community, so many different you know, fights,
Speaker 5: and we can't have all the fights. I tell people
Speaker 5: all the time, I can't be involved in every flight.
Speaker 5: I come to my page, I go to Instagram and
Speaker 5: oh you ain't talking about this. I don't even know
Speaker 5: about that. I didn't choose not to talk about it.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I just don't know, you know, So I just
Speaker 5: I just advise.
Speaker 4: It's okay to say I don't even I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't want to talk about this. It might even be triggering.
Speaker 4: You could actually say this that I can't handle.
Speaker 3: A pick and choose shit, is correct.
Speaker 5: I do pick, and I picked and choose things that
Speaker 5: I'm passionate about. I pick and choose things that I
Speaker 5: feel that I know about, you know. I choose things
Speaker 5: that I want.
Speaker 3: To fight for. I don't have to fight or speak
Speaker 3: on things that you want me to speak on. I'm
Speaker 3: not a puppet. You don't got your hand in the
Speaker 3: back going like this, Yo.
Speaker 5: You need to talk about this, and why you I
Speaker 5: talk about the things that I feel best suited to
Speaker 5: talk about things I fight for, things that I know
Speaker 5: that I'm willing to fight to from tooth to nail
Speaker 5: about you. So, if I don't think that that's something
Speaker 5: that I'm going to get on and really fight for it,
Speaker 5: and I'm just doing it because you know.
Speaker 3: The people say to do it, then I'm not going.
Speaker 1: To do it.
Speaker 4: And people, well, but you know, I think it's a
Speaker 4: way that the people can come to you. One of
Speaker 4: the things that happened in the live is that I
Speaker 4: posted I'm going live. You can disagree, you can disagree,
Speaker 4: but you can't come here being rude and disrespectful, right,
Speaker 4: And so I think that's one of the problems. It's
Speaker 4: not to say from my perspective that just because someone
Speaker 4: asked me to get involved in something or they tell
Speaker 4: me to look at it, that I'm not going to
Speaker 4: do it, or I don't want to do it or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's more so that I know what I have the
Speaker 4: capacity to handle. And when I was younger in this movement,
Speaker 4: I tried to do everything, and then a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff either was undone and or you know, I wasn't
Speaker 4: necessarily proud of the effort that I was able to
Speaker 4: put into it. That's just the way it is. And
Speaker 4: oftentimes there are things that's going on in the background
Speaker 4: that people have no idea about. So there are people
Speaker 4: who are like, well, why didn't you come to the
Speaker 4: aid of so and so person or do such such thing,
Speaker 4: or why are you not saying anything about that? And
Speaker 4: they have no idea that perhaps we've already talked to
Speaker 4: those people. We already know them, We've engaged with them,
Speaker 4: could have decided with them.
Speaker 1: That you're going to stay away from it.
Speaker 4: Maybe people don't even like you, maybe you don't like them,
Speaker 4: Maybe there's conflict.
Speaker 2: You don't know all the time.
Speaker 4: And because of the fact that we're not trying to
Speaker 4: be messy and there's so much other.
Speaker 2: Work going on, then we may not explain it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. Man.
Speaker 5: It's so many underling facts that go into the work
Speaker 5: that we do. And you know, and then I understand that,
Speaker 5: like you said, there are no leaders who are above critique,
Speaker 5: and I understand that, but you know, disrespect and critique
Speaker 5: and assumption is so so different. People just think that
Speaker 5: because you have a public profile that they can just
Speaker 5: say whatever they want to you, and that I'm not.
Speaker 3: I don't believe in that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So you're gonna have to deal with me with a
Speaker 5: level of respect. It's like you said, we can have
Speaker 5: we can have discourse, we can disagree, but we ain't
Speaker 5: gonna have disrespect.
Speaker 3: This is true.
Speaker 4: So speaking of disrespect, I feel that the people of
Speaker 4: Atlanta are being disrespected, which is why we're wearing our
Speaker 4: stop Coop City shirts today, you know, for folks who
Speaker 4: don't understand or don't know, because I did see some
Speaker 4: people in the comments yesterday who were like, excuse me,
Speaker 4: I want to support the cause, but I don't know
Speaker 4: what it is, and I was posting a lot about it.
Speaker 4: Of course, a lot of people were so in Atlanta,
Speaker 4: Georgia and Fulton County, which is which happens to be
Speaker 4: the same district I don't know what they call it,
Speaker 4: in the same area where Fanny Williams, the same woman
Speaker 4: who has both young Thug and a bunch of other
Speaker 4: folks under Rico charges and Donald Trump charged with under.
Speaker 1: Rico the Rico law.
Speaker 4: So Fanny also has the Arico charges against protesters in Atlanta,
Speaker 4: Georgia for their efforts to stop cop City from being
Speaker 4: built in Fulton County. Now, as we know, Fulton County
Speaker 4: is primarily a black county, right primarily at least it
Speaker 4: was the foundation. I'm sure gentrification continues, other people are
Speaker 4: moving in, but Fulton County is a place.
Speaker 1: That is well known to the black community.
Speaker 4: Now, we all understand very clearly that we've been fighting
Speaker 4: against additional police budgets for training and whatever because we
Speaker 4: do not believe that the current system can just be
Speaker 4: trained better. It has to be torn apart and rebuilt,
Speaker 4: because we believe.
Speaker 5: That whatever money you're already given them, it should be
Speaker 5: allocated to that. If you're going to do it, then
Speaker 5: allocate that to it. Don't give more money away from
Speaker 5: resources from the community.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I know I've said this many times. When I
Speaker 4: am in Georgia. In Atlanta, you know, we go around
Speaker 4: our people. That's what we love. We go to the hood,
Speaker 4: We eat the restaurants in the hood. We always as
Speaker 4: soon as we get to a city, we like take
Speaker 4: us to where the community stuff is. We want whatever
Speaker 4: the If it's rigs, we want, Well you don't want
Speaker 4: the ribs, but I will. If it's rigs, we want
Speaker 4: to go to the ribs.
Speaker 1: By this fish.
Speaker 4: We want to go to the local seafood spot. That's
Speaker 4: what we do. But I can say that when I
Speaker 4: am in Atlanta and I am there, often I feel
Speaker 4: a little more uncomfortable with some of the folks in
Speaker 4: the unhoused community that are absolutely suffering with severe mental
Speaker 4: mental health issues. Right because it is very clear. So
Speaker 4: when you have a budget of multi multi, multi, multi, multi,
Speaker 4: millions of dollars. Now they claim they found some more
Speaker 4: money that's going towards this project that they didn't know
Speaker 4: in the city council that that had been allocated. All
Speaker 4: of this money going to building a police facility or
Speaker 4: a facility that will train police officers. And then they'll say, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: it's not just police officers, other essential workers too, sure, firefighters,
Speaker 4: the police and others. Right, other first responders will be
Speaker 4: trained in this facility they're building this place. And again
Speaker 4: they say they try to make it that it's a
Speaker 4: very balanced atmosphere. We're training for all these these different groups.
Speaker 4: But what they don't like to talk about often, and
Speaker 4: which you have to read define print to find out,
Speaker 4: is that one of the training pieces for police is
Speaker 4: one that cops will be coming from all over the
Speaker 4: country and they will be trained by the.
Speaker 1: Israel Defense Military. The Israel Defense Military.
Speaker 4: Now, these are the people, the same people that we
Speaker 4: as American tax face as folks be like, why should
Speaker 4: I care about that. I ain't stutting the people in Palestine.
Speaker 4: I'm worried about folks that's on my block. I don't
Speaker 4: agree with that.
Speaker 1: But even if you take that position, your tax payer
Speaker 1: dollars is going to it.
Speaker 4: The ten billion dollars that we send to Palestine, which
Speaker 4: is our tax pay I mean, excuse me, to Israel,
Speaker 4: which to Israel, for Israel to fight against the Palestinians,
Speaker 4: and in my judgment, for there to be some.
Speaker 2: Peopleeople who are there, not all Jews, not all.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the state of Israel to be there
Speaker 4: and oppress the Palestinian people, and we paid for it.
Speaker 4: It's already a slap in the face. And we were
Speaker 4: there and saw with our own eyes what the Israeli
Speaker 4: defense military does.
Speaker 2: We saw it, We know what they do.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't even let us walk around in the communities
Speaker 4: without showing our identification to prove that we were Americans,
Speaker 4: because in different places, the Palestinians on their own land
Speaker 4: are unable to move around free. And at many different
Speaker 4: times any given day you'll see Palestinian groups.
Speaker 1: And other allies.
Speaker 4: Sean King, of course, Lindas saw a posting that the
Speaker 4: military there has killed a number of people, including children.
Speaker 4: They will be running some of the training at this
Speaker 4: facility in Georgia. Why we need that, I don't know.
Speaker 4: So the organizers in Georgia, we don't need it. We
Speaker 4: don't need more money going to training because officers are
Speaker 4: trained and their budgets are the most exploded budget budgets
Speaker 4: of most agencies in any city, so they have money. So,
Speaker 4: like you said, reallocate the resources if you feel that
Speaker 4: the current resources, if you feel they need some additional training.
Speaker 4: But their training works in other communities. They're training generally
Speaker 4: keeps them from being hostile and killing unarmed and or
Speaker 4: people in other communities who are even dangerous. They know
Speaker 4: how to do that, and they do it very well.
Speaker 4: When they come into our communities, it is a total
Speaker 4: different attitude. And I know for sure that the current
Speaker 4: mayor of Atlanta and others have acknowledged the level of
Speaker 4: police abuse. So their thing is, oh, well, we're going
Speaker 4: to train them.
Speaker 1: We don't need training. What we need is the unhoused
Speaker 1: people off the streets.
Speaker 4: We need more to get rid of food deserts so
Speaker 4: people have actual healthy food that they can eat in
Speaker 4: their communities. We need housing that people can afford. We
Speaker 4: need education. That's what we need. Because the better the
Speaker 4: community is doing, the least you will need police officers
Speaker 4: in those communities. And so that's our position and we
Speaker 4: definitely don't need an outside military agency coming into our
Speaker 4: country training police officers who are already too militarized, who
Speaker 4: are already using too much force when dealing with our people,
Speaker 4: and it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Located in the community where our people live. It's too much.
Speaker 4: So so the Stock Cops City campaign shout out to
Speaker 4: Queen and Nasaha and a number of other folks, Attorney
Speaker 4: Jail Griggs from the NAACP, and a number of others
Speaker 4: who are there on the ground and have been working
Speaker 4: for Oh now, it's been going on a long time.
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly the date. To stop this from happening.
Speaker 4: They have reco charges against protesters who went into the area.
Speaker 4: They're mainly environmental protesters who went into the area where
Speaker 4: this facility will be built, that is in the forest.
Speaker 4: They'll have to cut down trees. It's all types of
Speaker 4: environmental implications. And for people who have an issue in
Speaker 4: saying things like oh, well that's white folks, that's not
Speaker 4: black folks.
Speaker 1: It's called intersectionality.
Speaker 3: That's what it's called.
Speaker 1: So there's so much happening. We want you guys to
Speaker 1: check it out.
Speaker 4: All the people want is for a referendum to be
Speaker 4: on the ballot so they can have the people of Georgia,
Speaker 4: the people of Atlanta vote on whether they want this
Speaker 4: facility in their community, and the city is doing everything
Speaker 4: they can to stop and block those individuals from being
Speaker 4: able to get that referendum.
Speaker 2: On the ballot.
Speaker 5: Crazy, it's really it's mom biggling to me how you
Speaker 5: know how, I don't know?
Speaker 3: Why is my boggling? Because they get it.
Speaker 5: They realize that over policing doesn't work, you know, they
Speaker 5: realize that that in the communities where crime is less,
Speaker 5: poverty is less. Right, they realize what actually can stop
Speaker 5: crime and cut down.
Speaker 3: The need for police. But they won't do that.
Speaker 5: They'll continue to fund, you know, the response instead of
Speaker 5: being proactive. Right, your response, because the police are not
Speaker 5: stopping crimes in communities, they're arresting people who commit the crimes.
Speaker 3: So if you.
Speaker 5: Really want to stop something, you want to make community safer,
Speaker 5: then you would make the community flourish.
Speaker 3: Right, you would give the resources in the community.
Speaker 5: You would make sure that the millions of dollars that
Speaker 5: you want to keep alakan to build the new cities,
Speaker 5: build some new you know, playgrounds and communities build some
Speaker 5: you know, community centers in the communities where the violences happen,
Speaker 5: and build the resources and and you know, have courses
Speaker 5: and have educational things that the kids actually want to learn,
Speaker 5: that that it's culturally relevant, that they can figure out
Speaker 5: how they can keep themselves out of trouble and they
Speaker 5: can actually be financially stable and create create generational wealth.
Speaker 3: They don't want to create those things.
Speaker 5: They just want to keep giving communities of color and
Speaker 5: you know, disenfranchised community police instead of enfranchising those communities. So,
Speaker 5: you know, I was saying, it's mind blogging, but I
Speaker 5: get it. That's a part of capitalism, right, It's what
Speaker 5: capitalism needs. In order for capitalism to continue to function properly,
Speaker 5: there has to be a class where criminality and you know, violencing,
Speaker 5: all those things happen because you have to feed in
Speaker 5: order for the top two and five percent to continue
Speaker 5: to get rich, you need the bottom people that you
Speaker 5: feed off. Right, these are the people that you continue
Speaker 5: to make your money off. So you know, I understand
Speaker 5: that they're gonna invest in prisons, They're going to invest
Speaker 5: in the police to do this. They're gonna invest in
Speaker 5: every stock possible that's going to show that our communities
Speaker 5: are the worse and continue to invest in those things.
Speaker 3: And that's why they're going to continue to make.
Speaker 5: Sure that our communities look like they do so they
Speaker 5: can have some that invested in.
Speaker 3: And get rich off. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the thing is, I'm sure that they are black
Speaker 4: elected officials because the entire city, not the entire city council,
Speaker 4: but many of the black electors. There are some who
Speaker 4: are speaking out against it, but many of the black
Speaker 4: elected officials and a lot of the influences, whether they
Speaker 4: be pastors, whether they be celebrities or whatever, have either
Speaker 4: said nothing or who have actually been a part of this.
Speaker 4: They would argue with you that what are you talking about.
Speaker 4: I don't want to keep my community down. I'm sure
Speaker 4: the current mayor would say, I don't want to keep
Speaker 4: my community down. What do you mean, I'm here to
Speaker 4: empower my community. No, but what you're doing is you
Speaker 4: are being used as a tool of white supremacy. We're
Speaker 4: not saying that you're the one that has designed this
Speaker 4: to keep our people down. What we're saying is that
Speaker 4: whatever they offered you, or whatever you think you gain
Speaker 4: by working with the other side or working with the
Speaker 4: current governor who has racist tendencies as well. He is
Speaker 4: he actually he actually is like Governor Kemp is like
Speaker 4: a quiet Ron DeSantis. It's not as blatant. And sometimes
Speaker 4: he makes moves that you don't really know whether or
Speaker 4: you can look at it and say, well, that was good,
Speaker 4: Like the thing he did with the Trump piece the
Speaker 4: other week when he was like, nah, I ain't getting
Speaker 4: in that there's gonna be a trial here and I'm
Speaker 4: not doing anything to stop it from happening or to
Speaker 4: get involved in obstructing justice.
Speaker 1: That was good.
Speaker 4: That makes some people go, oh, okay, yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: good move. And because he's actually very strategic, but it
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that he's not also putting forth racist policies
Speaker 4: in the State of Georgia.
Speaker 2: And this is one of those policies.
Speaker 4: And there are black people who are being used as
Speaker 4: a tool to help get it done. And so it
Speaker 4: is really really really really really sad. Now let's move
Speaker 4: on to and we're gonna be with our people basically
Speaker 4: on this issue period on to the wheels fall off.
Speaker 4: We're gonna be with our people. They got their petition signed.
Speaker 4: Now there's a fight to get the petitions validated. And counting,
Speaker 4: so there's always gonna be something. But the people, regardless
Speaker 4: of whether they had help from the top celebrities.
Speaker 1: A shout out to.
Speaker 4: Ernie's King, Doctor Vernie's King, because she certainly has been
Speaker 4: saying since the beginning to stop cop City, and so,
Speaker 4: you know, and and whoever else didn't help them doesn't matter, because.
Speaker 1: The people are learning that they must hope themselves.
Speaker 4: But speaking of other things, that's sad, and it's you know,
Speaker 4: a little I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess because of the fact.
Speaker 4: That today we are, you know, getting ready to bring
Speaker 4: on our guests out kind to weave it into my
Speaker 4: thought of the day.
Speaker 1: But I think people are pretty miserable that they even
Speaker 1: care to know.
Speaker 4: Like, there is literally no one's life that I care
Speaker 4: about so much that I want to go unless there
Speaker 4: is some type of physical harm, like physical harm, or
Speaker 4: some type of implication for the work that we are
Speaker 4: doing in terms of racial justice. Other than that, I
Speaker 4: do not really care about what is happening in people's lives.
Speaker 4: I might see something and laugh about it and say
Speaker 4: something to my best friends and talk to he he,
Speaker 4: But to go and try to make a platform of
Speaker 4: exposing people and this and that I just don't to me,
Speaker 4: I don't get it. It says something about you as
Speaker 4: a human. I think if that's where you focus your time.
Speaker 4: And I think this situation with Steve Harvey and his family,
Speaker 4: Marjorie Harvey and all of it is pretty sad.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 4: One not so much because of the blogs and these
Speaker 4: gossipers talking about his marriage, because I I guess one
Speaker 4: would say, when you put yourself out there is this
Speaker 4: fabulous couple.
Speaker 1: Whatever, people are going to inquire.
Speaker 4: I still don't think they should inquire to the point
Speaker 4: where they want to drag you up and down and
Speaker 4: put out things. And some of the shit don't even
Speaker 4: be true. That's the part that's really crazy, like making
Speaker 4: up things. But I thought that the Strawberry Miss Strawberry,
Speaker 4: and that situation that came out in the last couple
Speaker 4: of days, it's pretty sad because one everybody that works
Speaker 4: with somebody, I don't care who you are, you could
Speaker 4: be the people who are the best, the closest of friends.
Speaker 4: Look at us, me, you, Angelo and Linda are Angelo, you, Angelo, Linda,
Speaker 4: You and me.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: We all are super tight. We are a family.
Speaker 4: But nobody here can say the four of us would
Speaker 4: be lying if we said that in talking to our
Speaker 4: significant other and or our best see or whomever. We
Speaker 4: don't say Mashan gets on my nerves. He's all he never,
Speaker 4: you know, reads the text messages. You know, he asks
Speaker 4: like we beneath him that he don't have to read
Speaker 4: text messages.
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna keep on telling them such and such.
Speaker 4: No, you can't sit there and tell me that Linda
Speaker 4: hasn't said, oh my God to Meika's calling me, she's
Speaker 4: calling me. She could do this herself, like she's always
Speaker 4: asking me to do. You know, this is what we
Speaker 4: do right as humans. You go today, you might have
Speaker 4: had a terrible day at work and you got some
Speaker 4: shit to say, and you might really feel like, oh,
Speaker 4: so and so.
Speaker 1: Husband don't really like me or whatever.
Speaker 4: Before that shit, the conversations with her husband to be
Speaker 4: leaked for somebody to make some money off of, like
Speaker 4: taking their personal business. You are a miserable son of
Speaker 4: a bitch, Like seriously, no, for real, And.
Speaker 3: That's what we are. We people love to enjoy somebody
Speaker 3: else's misery. Like you know what I'm saying. People are
Speaker 3: they wallow in it?
Speaker 5: You know, they They love to see somebody else going
Speaker 5: through some bullshit.
Speaker 3: And they want to enjoy it.
Speaker 5: They want to say, this's good for you, this and
Speaker 5: that negativity is at an all time high, you know.
Speaker 5: Like you said, those conversations that that women had with
Speaker 5: her husband, those are personal conversations. The the miserable, motherfucking
Speaker 5: person in that jail though, who was who was getting paid?
Speaker 5: Just think about it. There's somebody who's being paid in
Speaker 5: a jail, you know, to probably because all of those
Speaker 5: calls are monitored. They're monitoring to make sure there's no
Speaker 5: criminal activity going on in those calls, and keeping those calls,
Speaker 5: you know, on a record just in case they need
Speaker 5: to be pulled up for something that proclaimed to justice
Speaker 5: and you know the law. But for somebody who's in
Speaker 5: the position of that to violate somebody's personal you know,
Speaker 5: conversation and leak it to the world, like how the
Speaker 5: fuck do y'all, how do y'all be okay for a
Speaker 5: couple of dollars?
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy, It is really crazy.
Speaker 5: That's that we put people in those traditions, And based
Speaker 5: on that call and based on the way it was leaked,
Speaker 5: there has to be more provisions to protect someone else's
Speaker 5: you know, privacy, and in prison, even though you are prisoner,
Speaker 5: you still have rights a human being rights, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying people should not violate if you if
Speaker 5: you are not outside, once you're being incarcerated and you're
Speaker 5: in prison, you are serving your sensors from the crime
Speaker 5: you did, right, and you are serving your senses and
Speaker 5: within that crime, people can't commit crimes against you and
Speaker 5: justify them just because at.
Speaker 2: Time within that time with that crime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, within that crime you with that time, within that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you keep saying within that crime, people can't
Speaker 4: commit crimes against you.
Speaker 1: But I think what you're saying.
Speaker 5: While you're serving the time for that crime, right, people
Speaker 5: against you. And it's just like that and that's a crime.
Speaker 5: And I really think that people need to look into
Speaker 5: that this situation. People need to find out exactly what
Speaker 5: it is to trace who was on that call, who
Speaker 5: take that call, you know, who had access to that call,
Speaker 5: and everybody had any access to that call needs to
Speaker 5: be held responsible until we find out what happened.
Speaker 3: Because this ship is fucked up. It's really.
Speaker 5: He's a family like you know, you could just tell
Speaker 5: that I was listening to her statement, and you know
Speaker 5: I heard us.
Speaker 3: She was like, you know, I said what I said,
Speaker 3: but you know it was no way to harm.
Speaker 5: I didn't think the conversation, but you know that's how
Speaker 5: I felt, you know, and I love Steve and and
Speaker 5: you know I have respect for their family, but I
Speaker 5: felt like that at the time. And I never thought
Speaker 5: that that conversation is just so ugly because now these
Speaker 5: people were working together in a family structure, right.
Speaker 3: And it's worse because the world has it right.
Speaker 5: It's not like it's an internal situation like he was
Speaker 5: saying that we used to dealing with our situation in
Speaker 5: turn that we don't go out and talk with the
Speaker 5: world has said it, you know.
Speaker 3: So now the weight of the.
Speaker 5: World's opinions exactly, you know, constantly weigh on you. So
Speaker 5: and I hope they're able to weather the storm as
Speaker 5: just a family because you know, those people who work together,
Speaker 5: knowing Steve and being around Steve and knowing this his team,
Speaker 5: you know, they're real tight knit and there's a family
Speaker 5: structure over there.
Speaker 3: So I hope, you know.
Speaker 5: That this doesn't completely damage and they're able to salvage
Speaker 5: that and be able to move on because you know,
Speaker 5: it's just a messed up situation.
Speaker 2: Everything that people think about you, you don't need to know.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you just don't need to know that your mother
Speaker 4: is like, I can't stand that, damn little girl. Sometimes
Speaker 4: like you just don't need to hear that, which is
Speaker 4: why she might say it to your father in the
Speaker 4: car when you close the door. But she's not gonna
Speaker 4: say it while you're standing right there. You're not gonna
Speaker 4: hear your cousin talking to your other cousin about how
Speaker 4: to chick thinks she all that every time she come
Speaker 4: around here, she's talking about what she had.
Speaker 2: It's not necessary. You don't need to know.
Speaker 4: Everything about people's opinions about you. And like you said,
Speaker 4: when the world gets involved, it starts to impact your ego,
Speaker 4: because that's all it is, it's your ego. Because even
Speaker 4: if you felt like, even if Marjorie Harvey felt like,
Speaker 4: I don't think sister Strawberry, I can't even I don't
Speaker 4: even know her name.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't. It slipped me right now.
Speaker 4: But even if you thought she don't really like me,
Speaker 4: I don't, we don't, we're not really vibing, you might
Speaker 4: feel the same way she might have told Steve yesterday
Speaker 4: they should be funny.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they act like such and such because.
Speaker 4: People have come to you, people have gone to you
Speaker 4: as my son and said Tamika is like, I don't
Speaker 4: think I could joke with her, like she seems like
Speaker 4: she's and you like, what are you talking about? Talk
Speaker 4: to Tamika like she's fine? How many people have contacted
Speaker 4: you and said they didn't know if they could call
Speaker 4: me to ask me to sign a letter for them,
Speaker 4: or to do a thing, or to come to their event,
Speaker 4: And you like, no, like she's actually fine, Like just
Speaker 4: ask her and then they get to know me. But
Speaker 4: sometimes we have up walls because of things.
Speaker 3: People and crew.
Speaker 2: Your mind is on some other shit.
Speaker 5: When people catch you at the wrong moment and you
Speaker 5: might get a reaction, you're not focused on it, and
Speaker 5: people like that person don't like me, and you like
Speaker 5: don't like you. I don't even you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So there are she might not like her.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm saying, like trying to make excuses. She
Speaker 1: might not like her, right, and it might be wrong.
Speaker 3: It might do It's fine because you don't got to
Speaker 3: like everybody.
Speaker 1: But she said.
Speaker 4: Her specific thing was that she treats. She thinks we're
Speaker 4: the help, right, so that that would make somebody feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: And I get it, I get it. I understand. All
Speaker 4: I'm saying is there was no reason you yes, And
Speaker 4: there will be people will say, well, that's why you know.
Speaker 1: Of course you shouldn't be talking to jail phone. Cool.
Speaker 1: That's fine, I get it.
Speaker 4: It's just like saying, when you write a character letter
Speaker 4: for people what's his name, Ashton Kutcher and the other
Speaker 4: one in the Azalea, when you write a character letter
Speaker 4: for people you need to know. But it is different
Speaker 4: because your phone call is supposed to be only like
Speaker 4: you said, it's supposed to be private unless you're talking
Speaker 4: about illegal activity. However, you want to imagine if there's
Speaker 4: third parties that are reading and or seeing anything that
Speaker 4: it might be to the public, right, they might be
Speaker 4: released to the public, may be publicly known. However, you
Speaker 4: should still no other person should want to be the
Speaker 4: person to try to destroy people's families. And to what
Speaker 4: Steve said, and also Miss Strawberry, what she said is
Speaker 4: that because of what's going on right now with all
Speaker 4: of these blogs trying to pick apart whether Marjorie did this,
Speaker 4: whether this did that, and whether Steve is this and
Speaker 4: that and the third. Because they're so focused on it.
Speaker 4: For those takes to be leaked, it's almost like it
Speaker 4: was done on purpose. It's almost like somebody knew, well,
Speaker 4: damn you know the two of them was I got
Speaker 4: these tastes, but like, did you go back and get them?
Speaker 4: Like what type of person are you? And it's just
Speaker 4: some people in this world, This is my thought of
Speaker 4: the day.
Speaker 2: There are some.
Speaker 4: People in this world who are just really bottom feeders.
Speaker 4: Like that's literally what they are. It's not that everybody
Speaker 4: is perfect. I certainly am not perfect. You're not perfect.
Speaker 4: None of us are. We've made mistakes, we've hurt people,
Speaker 4: we've done wrong or whatever. But being a bottom feet
Speaker 4: of means that you are intentionally, like you sitting around
Speaker 4: looking at things that you could go and do to
Speaker 4: try to hurt people. And it's just really crazy to me.
Speaker 4: It's really crazy. It's really the fact that those tapes
Speaker 4: will lead is like really bottom feet of shit right there,
Speaker 4: for real.
Speaker 5: It is, man, It's very very terrible, very very terrible.
Speaker 3: It's real because I understanding it, thinking.
Speaker 5: Like you can't even have a thought no more, and
Speaker 5: share your thoughts with your most intimate person without the
Speaker 5: world trying to expose your thoughts, because everybody thoughts about
Speaker 5: everybody is not gonna always be positive all the time.
Speaker 5: And sometimes you share those thoughts with the people that
Speaker 5: you trust, and when those thoughts get out, it's like damn,
Speaker 5: like you just it's we just in a very strange time,
Speaker 5: you know, in this culture and the internet and technology.
Speaker 3: Has made it that much stage excuse.
Speaker 5: Me, so you know, I'm just saying, man, be careful
Speaker 5: on the phone, man, jail phone, any phone, because you
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 1: What's going on.
Speaker 3: You don't know what's going on no more.
Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta whisper like you know when you
Speaker 5: watch the sports that they put the tower over their
Speaker 5: mouth when they talk. You gotta you gotta go through
Speaker 5: all types of shit.
Speaker 4: Man, crazy, even in your own house, you could be
Speaker 4: being reported like you know, even in your own house.
Speaker 4: I mean shit, they was listening to doctor King's conversations
Speaker 4: in his hotel room right like everywhere you go, and
Speaker 4: it's and I mean whatever, it is the life you live,
Speaker 4: and it is what it is. These are celebrities these
Speaker 4: are people connected to celebrities that work with celebrities, and
Speaker 4: so I get it, but I just feel like, I
Speaker 4: just feel I have a deep like.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know.
Speaker 4: I don't want to know everything that's being said about
Speaker 4: me by people that I work with or talk to
Speaker 4: or see i'm around. I don't even care what people
Speaker 4: who I don't deal with have to say. But the
Speaker 4: people who are around me, I don't want to know
Speaker 4: what their worst thoughts of me are in the moments
Speaker 4: when they're either upset with me or going through their
Speaker 4: own shit or having their own insecurities. And the only
Speaker 4: time I want to know is when I've done something
Speaker 4: to them that they need to come to me and
Speaker 4: talk about.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 4: Other than that whatever they thought that they told their
Speaker 4: husband or their wife, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's just it's.
Speaker 4: Definitely bottom feeder, Like it's terrible that that happen, and
Speaker 4: I feel bad to see because you could see by
Speaker 4: the way, like you said, we've been around Steve, Steve
Speaker 4: is out here trying. Steve ain't trying to be a
Speaker 4: no mess period. He ain't trying to be a no mess. Okay,
Speaker 4: he don't want no mess, you know, He just trying
Speaker 4: to help people, give his entertainment, give resources to kids, and.
Speaker 1: That's it, and deal with his family.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: He want to say, sail on out on his time,
Speaker 4: his last few whatever shakes in this earth.
Speaker 3: On the way like.
Speaker 4: Come on, and then here we are and here you
Speaker 4: got people that are in. It's like they see you
Speaker 4: happy and then it's like break.
Speaker 3: It away, break it you ain't gonna be happy. You're
Speaker 3: gonna chip this bitch away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, marg margin, whatever margin may. Whatever Margie did or
Speaker 1: didn't do, how she got what she had, where she was,
Speaker 1: how does it impact your life?
Speaker 2: How? And more over her husband loves her? That's it?
Speaker 5: But dirty drugs man, sitting and wasting your time, bro,
Speaker 5: So it certains you, like he said, we all right,
Speaker 5: you waste this other ship you have to be doing
Speaker 5: with your.
Speaker 3: Time, bro, You wasting your time telling you find you
Speaker 3: something else to do.
Speaker 5: That man is a season that is an elderly seasoned
Speaker 5: man to understands.
Speaker 4: Elderly gonna think Steve would be like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: you think I'm elderly.
Speaker 3: Not elderly.
Speaker 5: He's an older, mature man, A mature mature man even
Speaker 5: have been around that's shit y'all doing.
Speaker 3: You gotta do that with the kids, and she don't
Speaker 3: work with grown grown groom for that. Ain't just a
Speaker 3: grown that's a grown grown man is sick?
Speaker 2: Does we are.
Speaker 4: Are bringing on our guests who's actually another one.
Speaker 1: Of our friends.
Speaker 4: The big thing around UH Street politicians is that we
Speaker 4: always have our friends on and that's because our friends
Speaker 4: are doing amazing things. And guess what, just because we're
Speaker 4: friends doesn't mean that we don't have debate about issues
Speaker 4: all the time. But this sister is our dear friend.
Speaker 4: And we have traveled miles on roads back roads to
Speaker 4: see about families who have been harmed, and police violence
Speaker 4: issues and issues in our community, violence within our communities,
Speaker 4: fighting for black women, standing up for black family, supporting
Speaker 4: black men because we are major despite what people may think,
Speaker 4: we are major supporters of black men. Of course we
Speaker 4: support you, my son, Attorney Ben Krump, Attorney Angelo Pinto,
Speaker 4: Trade of Truth, like we are are a group of
Speaker 4: women who really are behind our men, and our men
Speaker 4: are behind us. And I am so excited that our
Speaker 4: sister is joining us today. She sent me a text
Speaker 4: message which I'll tell you all about shortly. My personal
Speaker 4: thing that I have always said, and I know you
Speaker 4: and I share this feeling, is that she's literally brilliant,
Speaker 4: like literally a brilliant mind, the way in which she
Speaker 4: thinks and can articulate better than many people that I know.
Speaker 4: We've watched her for years on Roland Martin Show, given
Speaker 4: commentary on Fox News.
Speaker 1: Not afraid to go to any platform, it's all Fox
Speaker 1: News whoever.
Speaker 4: She's there representing the people, and a lot of people
Speaker 4: know her from her time being an attorney. That's when
Speaker 4: I first learned of her being an attorney for Bill Cosby,
Speaker 4: and then she's just gone on to do so many
Speaker 4: other things since then. I know it's a long introduction,
Speaker 4: but I want to make sure people know who my
Speaker 4: sister is.
Speaker 2: Right, big Mo, Big big Mo.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Monique Presley, a legal analyst and a legal mind, a
Speaker 4: leader in a legal space who is helping us to
Speaker 4: really put together an amazing legal strategy around some of
Speaker 4: these social justice cases that we're fighting. So thank you,
Speaker 4: Monie presently for joining Street Politicians.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for having me and for
Speaker 2: that generous introduction, and thank you for all the things
Speaker 2: you left out of the introduction that you could have
Speaker 2: put in God bless you. And yes, I did have
Speaker 2: to kind of invite my own self on here, but
Speaker 2: I was just tired of waiting.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying no, here and you you and we
Speaker 4: need that. See, that's what we're talking about. That is
Speaker 4: called friendship support. And it's also just it's just mature
Speaker 4: that you might be thinking, Okay, well I need to
Speaker 4: be all because I got some stuff to say.
Speaker 2: But it's the first time. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.
Speaker 3: But you know, well, why do I feel like you
Speaker 3: was only like three times?
Speaker 5: I guess because we are on your platform and we together,
Speaker 5: so you automatically assume, wow, okay, this is definitely what
Speaker 5: we do.
Speaker 3: Okay, I do.
Speaker 4: But there are other people, I'm sure who feel the
Speaker 4: same way because sometimes you just don't think about.
Speaker 2: It or whatever.
Speaker 4: And the maturity is, hey, I need to come on
Speaker 4: and talk about this issue rather than these days don't
Speaker 4: like me. I don't know why they treat me like that,
Speaker 4: not like, oh my god. The nineteen Keys post is
Speaker 4: something the other day that said, stop complaining about people
Speaker 4: who are doing things that you ain't gonna do.
Speaker 1: And help, like help get involved, find a way to
Speaker 1: get involved. He's complainer.
Speaker 4: Complaining is the language of suckers or something, and I said,
Speaker 4: it's my final vocals.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 4: Anyway, so the text message you sent me, I said
Speaker 4: last two weeks ago in my thought of the day
Speaker 4: that I want people to just stop talking about Trump
Speaker 4: because it is making its given me anxiety. I said,
Speaker 4: if we're not gonna put him in jail, lead a
Speaker 4: man alone, because he is actually becoming bigger than what
Speaker 4: he was. He was able to raise seven million dollars
Speaker 4: after that mugshot photo, and it's just you know, And
Speaker 4: of course I want Trump to be prosecuted. Of course,
Speaker 4: I definitely want him to be prosecuted. But I want
Speaker 4: him to be prosecuted and I want him to go
Speaker 4: to jail. I don't want him to somehow have a
Speaker 4: Jedi mind trick with our people that he was able
Speaker 4: to get out of this and then have folks either
Speaker 4: because I'm seeing some praise stuff online from some black
Speaker 4: men that I actually know very well, who were like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're doing the same thing the Trump that they did
Speaker 4: the Pooky, So you know, and I also have issues
Speaker 4: with Fanny. And so then you send me a message
Speaker 4: and said yikes, Can I come on to talk about this?
Speaker 4: And I said, absolutely, So here we are, So why
Speaker 4: don't you just get us started in this conversation and
Speaker 4: then we'll kind of jump in.
Speaker 2: Well, look, a lot of people have a lot of
Speaker 2: things to say about some of the laws that are
Speaker 2: being used, and I understand that. But the place that
Speaker 2: my yikes came from was the comment you made about
Speaker 2: unless we know, unless we know that we're going to
Speaker 2: get him, let's leave him alone. Because to me, that
Speaker 2: is the opposite of that is that's what's been wrong
Speaker 2: for centuries with our justice system and with the way
Speaker 2: prosecutions are handled in the United States. We give prosecutors,
Speaker 2: whether it's local prosecutors, whether it's state ags, whether it's
Speaker 2: district attorneys, US attorneys, the the US Attorney General, broad discretion.
Speaker 2: They have the right in their own office. They ain't
Speaker 2: got to ask nobody about nothing. They have the right
Speaker 2: in their own own office to decide whether a prosecution
Speaker 2: is going to go forward or not. And it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be based upon whether they believe, based on the
Speaker 2: facts that they've done, based on their investigation, whether they
Speaker 2: have enough to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt so,
Speaker 2: at the point that they go to a grand jury,
Speaker 2: or in jurisdictions where they don't even have to go
Speaker 2: to a green jury, at the point that they bring
Speaker 2: charges they're supposed to from their office perspective be locked
Speaker 2: in and knowing, yeah, we got the goods on this person.
Speaker 2: And so for centuries we have watched black men after
Speaker 2: black man, after black men, after black women, after brown
Speaker 2: man after brown woman be prosecuted relentlessly, whether there was
Speaker 2: enough information or not, squeezing on people who were turned
Speaker 2: over to give states evidence. We call them in our
Speaker 2: circle snitches, doing everything necessary in order to bring down
Speaker 2: people for lesser offenses. While they're these other people, largely
Speaker 2: white men over sixty with money, who were thought to
Speaker 2: be beyond the law, and their companies are thought to
Speaker 2: be beyond the law. So prosecutors, whether through fear, through intimidation,
Speaker 2: through being bought off through that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2: When you white in America, everything belongs to you, have
Speaker 2: refrained from prosecuting them. And I never wanted to be
Speaker 2: a prosecutor, ain't never been prosecutor, never will be. I'm
Speaker 2: defense minded. But the prosecutors, especially the progressive ones, serve
Speaker 2: an important job. So for me, the same way we're
Speaker 2: willing to like pick up, I know you guys are
Speaker 2: willing to do it, and they're doing it again and
Speaker 2: get the day the Camerons of the world for not
Speaker 2: doing their job when prosecutors buck the tide, buck the system,
Speaker 2: and are willing to do their job when they have
Speaker 2: the goods on somebody, especially a former president of the
Speaker 2: United States.
Speaker 3: To me, that is important, and I definitely agree with
Speaker 3: that sentiment.
Speaker 5: But I also agree with the kind of understand where
Speaker 5: to me is coming from, right, because you know, being
Speaker 5: somebody who understands, who is knowledgeable enough to understand the
Speaker 5: dangers of Trump, a Trump administration, just Trump in general
Speaker 5: and what he represents, and knowledgeable enough to see that
Speaker 5: we have to really also think about our people who
Speaker 5: are not as knowledgeable.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: I've had conversations with people who said, well, Trump let
Speaker 5: my man out of jail.
Speaker 3: It was more money in the hood than any when
Speaker 3: Trump was in office.
Speaker 5: And they have these conversations and they view him much
Speaker 5: as you do, like the mafia leader that they.
Speaker 3: Vote for in the movies right there, and he plays
Speaker 3: on that understanding.
Speaker 5: He understands that our communities idolize, you know, that type
Speaker 5: of infamous figure based on just the realities that we're
Speaker 5: dealing with in this culture that some of them have
Speaker 5: dealt with. They see him as someone who's going against
Speaker 5: the system. Trump is not a politician. Trump is just
Speaker 5: somebody who figured out the politician.
Speaker 3: He got in law.
Speaker 5: He like me and you, And so when we when
Speaker 5: we indict Trump on these things, there has to be
Speaker 5: in my opinion and understanding, Tamika, there has to be
Speaker 5: a clear and a clear understanding and a clear path
Speaker 5: to actual victory or else you actually within this culture
Speaker 5: and what we're dealing with now, especially within the culture
Speaker 5: of the young black you know, thrown away black man
Speaker 5: who's been locked up, his uncle's been locked up for
Speaker 5: the things he didn't do, or just somebody who's trying
Speaker 5: to beat the system that they felt already beating us up.
Speaker 5: We have to understand how Trump understands that and he
Speaker 5: utilized his marketing and promotion to benefit him. So we
Speaker 5: have to understand that every time that something happens and
Speaker 5: it doesn't go our way and Trump gets away, it's
Speaker 5: not like me and me and Jojo that get locked
Speaker 5: up and we get prosecuted and if.
Speaker 3: We beat it, you know, one or two people going
Speaker 3: to say you did good.
Speaker 5: No, he empowers the mind state, right, he gets more
Speaker 5: power from watched you know, on prosecutions or things that
Speaker 5: they bring forward to him, and he's able to wiggle
Speaker 5: his way out of I don't think. I don't know
Speaker 5: if it really benefits, if it's not really being prosecuted
Speaker 5: and he's actually being held accountable in consequences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know what you're talking about, Mice.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: never been charged with a criminal action and gotten away
Speaker 2: with it. There's never been a criminal action brought against
Speaker 2: him and it be dismissed. These prosecutors are career prosecutors.
Speaker 2: And for me, I take personal exception because I'm a
Speaker 2: black lawyer in America. You know, I've been on the
Speaker 2: government side. I do civil rights now, I crisis manage
Speaker 2: instead of trying cases. But Alvin Bragg ain't no damn fool.
Speaker 2: He's not bringing a case against a former president that
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the goods on. He's not built that way.
Speaker 2: He's not putting himself in danger, his family in danger.
Speaker 2: He's walking around with secret service twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 2: His children have to leave school in order to bring
Speaker 2: a case that he can't win. Fannie Willis, for whatever
Speaker 2: people think about her, She's good at her job. She
Speaker 2: brings cases against you. Yours is going to jail. I
Speaker 2: don't know if we cuss here forgive me, but you know,
Speaker 2: I mean this black woman layer Howard lawyer. These are
Speaker 2: Howard lawyers. I'm mentioning, say, you know, I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: real extra. I'm gonna be real extra about this. Letitia
Speaker 2: James in the civil court. These are people who have
Speaker 2: spent their lives doing this job, and they know how
Speaker 2: to do this job. And this one man has all
Speaker 2: these cases and all these different jurisdictions because he used
Speaker 2: his presidency as a criminal enterprise. Just like my son
Speaker 2: said this, he ran it like he's a mob boss.
Speaker 2: So for me, the issue can't be whether they should
Speaker 2: bring the case or not. They got the goods. You
Speaker 2: can look at these cases and see it's evidence up
Speaker 2: one side down another. Can we control juris in the
Speaker 2: United States? No, I believe in jury's we can't control
Speaker 2: them judges. Can we control whether a judge can get
Speaker 2: bought off, get paid for. No, we can't control those things.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that the prosecutor doesn't have to
Speaker 2: do their job. They have to do their part. Then
Speaker 2: we have to educate our people with platforms. You guys
Speaker 2: have gigantic, ginormous platforms that you utilize for good. Which
Speaker 2: is why I said, please let me come, because I
Speaker 2: want our people to know polk in them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They they always gonna get prosecuted. Don't you want to
Speaker 2: say the other side? No?
Speaker 4: And I greet listen again, we want Trump to be prosecuted.
Speaker 4: Alvin Bragg I know him well. I trust him, Tish,
Speaker 4: my sister trust her, excuse me, Attorney General Lytitia James.
Speaker 2: And that's the one.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I I know these people are trying to do the
Speaker 1: right thing. I know they are right.
Speaker 2: Fanny.
Speaker 4: I do have issues with her because I don't see
Speaker 4: her prosecuting police officers the way that I think that
Speaker 4: she should be in the state of in Georgia. And
Speaker 4: then these reco charges now for protesters who are out
Speaker 4: there trying to stop this cop city from being built.
Speaker 1: That for me is howl.
Speaker 2: That's not hers.
Speaker 1: I thought it was. I thought people tell.
Speaker 2: Me that it is. Well, we should find that out.
Speaker 2: We should, we should.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's an important thing for us to know, because
Speaker 4: people who are there in Georgia have specifically named her
Speaker 4: at edis in her office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's in the State AG's office. Okay, cool,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you for educating me on that.
Speaker 3: But the come with the goods.
Speaker 2: Which that's another thing that happens to Meka, like it'll
Speaker 2: be a law now any black man, No, when they
Speaker 2: when they throw rico at you, your defense lawyer gets depressed.
Speaker 2: You throw your hands up and start cussing. I mean,
Speaker 2: the reason it's so serious is because it can be used.
Speaker 2: I agree. It can be used to grab the man
Speaker 2: who is tearing the milk cart when when the criminal
Speaker 2: got a cart and the milk before he went into
Speaker 2: the bank. It gets like that, But it matters who
Speaker 2: using it and whether they're using it for the right
Speaker 2: purposes or not. So if the law is on the books,
Speaker 2: I want Fannie Willis to use that lot to get
Speaker 2: Trump and all his end.
Speaker 4: I agree with it, I agree, But I have seen
Speaker 4: I have been a part of the conversations recently where
Speaker 4: people are saying something that I think is true that one,
Speaker 4: for instance, one of the reasons why we are veheminently
Speaker 4: against the death penalty, even though white supremacists and others
Speaker 4: who have done heinous acts, who will committed heinous acts
Speaker 4: against us light going in and shooting up the Dollar
Speaker 4: General in Jacksonville or the supermarket in Buffalo, Do I
Speaker 4: believe that those people are worthless, that they should not
Speaker 4: be here with us, and that if the death penalty
Speaker 4: was being applied fairly, that they were good candidates for it. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: But because that the death penalty is also in Daniel
Speaker 4: Cameron's twelve point planned where he says he wants drug
Speaker 4: dealers to receive the death penalty, and we know to
Speaker 4: Massan's point that he keeps making is that they will
Speaker 4: never give the death penalty to the drug dealers in
Speaker 4: the pharmaceutical companies that are really killing mass, mass mass.
Speaker 2: Millions of people.
Speaker 4: They will give it though, to Pooky who's selling whatever
Speaker 4: on a street corner in Alabama. And so therefore, when
Speaker 4: we have these laws, it's or these yeah, these, these yeah,
Speaker 4: these laws, it makes us nervous because they are often
Speaker 4: applied to unfairly and imbalance, and.
Speaker 2: Our communities are harmed.
Speaker 1: So what I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying is that even though people may not be able
Speaker 4: to articulate everything that they're feeling, that is one of
Speaker 4: the thoughts that's coming to mind where folks are like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know about that rego charge, because now you
Speaker 4: hear of it coming up with the protesters, who are
Speaker 4: people who are literally putting their lives on the line
Speaker 4: because they know. We don't need more training facilities for
Speaker 4: police officers in communities. We need resources going to communities,
Speaker 4: right and.
Speaker 2: So so it's a scary. And so I get you.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying that these individuals who.
Speaker 4: Are now prosecuting or attempted, who have bought cases and
Speaker 4: charges against Donald Trump, they are doing the right thing.
Speaker 4: I'm with that we don't we agree. What I'm saying
Speaker 4: is that as I sit with the chatter of our people,
Speaker 4: like all our you know, and of course we know
Speaker 4: we talk to folks the.
Speaker 1: Ray Rays, the Keisha's, TT's.
Speaker 4: The Lee Lee's, and our people, we are in a
Speaker 4: space where folks are feeling very unsure and I think
Speaker 4: the Internet needs to be defunded, as I saw Charlemagne
Speaker 4: Stay the other day, because people are getting like a little.
Speaker 1: Confused and disillusion and a lot of things that happen,
Speaker 1: and emotionally they're getting detached. It's a lot happening.
Speaker 4: So when they see Trump on TV and it's like,
Speaker 4: we're gonna hit him with these charges and then the
Speaker 4: next thing, you know, for some reason is dismissed.
Speaker 1: Or they don't win. I just don't know how that's
Speaker 1: gonna impact us.
Speaker 4: So I guess you're saying be responsible in the way
Speaker 4: that I speak, because I'm over here making this statement,
Speaker 4: leave him alone if we're not gonna do anything.
Speaker 1: But I think I was.
Speaker 4: It was real layman for me that I'm just saying
Speaker 4: as a regular citizen, not as an activist, not as
Speaker 4: somebody who is friends with brilliant people like yourself and others.
Speaker 1: I'm just feeling very nervous about the.
Speaker 4: Signal that's being sent that it seems that he just
Speaker 4: keeps on doing stuff and going to court and then
Speaker 4: this doesn't happen, and that doesn't happen, and he's just
Speaker 4: kind of like still free and still running for president
Speaker 4: of the United States with all of these charges against him.
Speaker 4: So that's what I that was, And I know you
Speaker 4: know that that's the point that I'm making. I feel,
Speaker 4: really I'm worried about us, believe I'm being I'm so,
Speaker 4: I'm really concerned about what's happened in this country because
Speaker 4: I'm watching people decide if you can't beat them, just
Speaker 4: join them, freak it. We just fuck it, hey, And
Speaker 4: we can't be that way.
Speaker 2: No, we can't be that way. And I wonder I
Speaker 2: am concerned like you, and I've been spending a lot
Speaker 2: of nights wondering where the where the connectivity gap is,
Speaker 2: Like why I can't get some brothers and sisters whom
Speaker 2: I respect, who lead organizations, who who are leaders in community,
Speaker 2: to see it's not lesser of two evils. It's not
Speaker 2: all politicians are the same. It's not oh so what
Speaker 2: he just made a phone call. It's not like we have.
Speaker 2: We've gone so far away from the breaks that would
Speaker 2: keep us in line, that would keep us from just
Speaker 2: running away with ourselves until now everything is acceptable. If
Speaker 2: Bishop Jakes was on right now, he'd started talking about
Speaker 2: how it's the last days, because that's one of the
Speaker 2: signals of it. When we are just at the end
Speaker 2: of times and nobody gives a damn about lawlessness or
Speaker 2: lack of lawlessness, about the way we treat ourselves, about
Speaker 2: the way we treat our children when everything has just
Speaker 2: run away from us. And so I don't think that means, though,
Speaker 2: that we don't dig in. I think it means we
Speaker 2: dig in further and we're more creative about the way
Speaker 2: that we do it. Because I got to tell you
Speaker 2: to began. My kids, who are teens, they get all
Speaker 2: of it. They are looking at us adults like we
Speaker 2: are dumb with two heads. Like when Trump was elected
Speaker 2: the first time, my daughter and her school, of course,
Speaker 2: they had had their straw pool vote. Hillary Clinton won
Speaker 2: by landslide, and my daughter was you know, she was
Speaker 2: a young team then, but she walked in and she's like,
Speaker 2: so Mom, Like the women just voted to sell their
Speaker 2: uteruses to the men. I mean, they just didn't care,
Speaker 2: Like it was real plain. It was so plain to
Speaker 2: the teens, like they deal with the racism, and their
Speaker 2: thought is you elected a grand dragon of the Klan,
Speaker 2: and you're wondering why there's more racism, Like it's real
Speaker 2: clear to them. So I'm just trying to figure out
Speaker 2: how we can stop gap until it's not up to
Speaker 2: us anymore and not really mess them up so they
Speaker 2: can come behind us. I mean, we see young state
Speaker 2: representatives and leaders who were coming who to me, have
Speaker 2: their head on straight and are ready to fight the
Speaker 2: way that we used to fight when we knew. Yet
Speaker 2: the man's always got it rigged for him that that's
Speaker 2: a given, that's not a surprise. We have to dig
Speaker 2: in though, and do our part.
Speaker 5: And I think I think what Tamika said about what
Speaker 5: Sheelman said, it's the exact opposite, right, And I think
Speaker 5: it's not so much as misinformation, it is intentional spreading
Speaker 5: of false information, right.
Speaker 3: I think we have to and that's one of my strategies.
Speaker 5: Like I've realized that social media and media is such
Speaker 5: a big thing and a lot of people don't a
Speaker 5: lot of people don't focus on it as much of
Speaker 5: it is. But it's it's programming. It's constant programming. Like
Speaker 5: a lot of these cases.
Speaker 3: You know, I literally watched somebody have Misinformation.
Speaker 5: Is a rape case that came up by a god
Speaker 5: that's in this culture who was being you know, promoted
Speaker 5: as one of these top black leaders and he supposedly,
Speaker 5: you know, molested a young girl, his girl's daughter, and
Speaker 5: his conversation the mis information that he came out right,
Speaker 5: you know the law, so he said, you know, they
Speaker 5: was pleading.
Speaker 3: They gave him a plea.
Speaker 5: Bargain and they said, all right, if you don't the
Speaker 5: two molestation cases will drop them if you take the
Speaker 5: aggravated child abuse cases.
Speaker 3: The mother didn't want to go to put a daughter
Speaker 3: to the child. She didn't want her to have to
Speaker 3: testify and do that, so they.
Speaker 5: Offered him this, and in his attempt to miss interpret
Speaker 5: and give people for his information, he came and said
Speaker 5: that the prosecution and the mother agreed to.
Speaker 3: Drop the charges.
Speaker 5: Right, So when you don't know the law, when you
Speaker 5: don't know that, somebody pleads to a different thing doesn't
Speaker 5: mean no charges to drop. It means if you take this,
Speaker 5: then we won't prosecute you. And it's the means that
Speaker 5: we dropping the charges. But you have to accept the
Speaker 5: plea boggin. You pleaded to lesser charges, they didn't drop anything.
Speaker 5: If you don't take the plea boggain, then we still
Speaker 5: prosecuting you on the top two charges. But when somebody
Speaker 5: comes to the internet and said, well those causes was
Speaker 5: dropped sexual assault, all of the sexual cases would drop.
Speaker 3: The prosecution agreed to drop something.
Speaker 5: It misinforms people, and people take that information and they say, look,
Speaker 5: he wasn't accused of that. He took something else because
Speaker 5: he wasn't accused of the set. And when we start
Speaker 5: hearing information like that in different places, like when we
Speaker 5: with Trump and you had people intentionally saying, well, Trump
Speaker 5: didn't do this, and Trump did that, and the real
Speaker 5: people who know aren't as loud, aren't on the same platforms,
Speaker 5: aren't utilizing the platforms to spread the real information the.
Speaker 3: People take it.
Speaker 5: When we look at Torrey LANs case, he utilized the
Speaker 5: whole social media just to put out false information every
Speaker 5: day and let the little minions and trolls say she
Speaker 5: launched and it was a whole people just called the
Speaker 5: lady a liar that never even knew what happened. Right,
Speaker 5: So by the time the actual facts of that case
Speaker 5: would presented, it was even people like Tamika was like, well,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know what it's going to
Speaker 5: go on.
Speaker 3: I'm confused, And I'm like, what do you mean you confused?
Speaker 3: Because but she's no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I was never confused about the facts.
Speaker 3: No, you wasn't.
Speaker 5: You was confused about the reality of what was going
Speaker 5: what was going to happen in I was.
Speaker 4: I was worried about the outcome basically on the shell
Speaker 4: game that I saw had what I'm.
Speaker 5: Saying, I'm not saying. You didn't think the facts, so
Speaker 5: you knew what the fast was and you was like, well, damn,
Speaker 5: based on what they presented and based on what they're
Speaker 5: saying is happening in there, and it was so far
Speaker 5: from the reality.
Speaker 3: When she actually went there and seeing she's like, damn,
Speaker 3: that's not what's going on. I seen something went exactly.
Speaker 4: I went to court to see for myself because I
Speaker 4: was very I was like, I don't I don't you know,
Speaker 4: I believe I know what happened. I'm damned, like you
Speaker 4: know one hundred percent in my mind, but this over here,
Speaker 4: what they're trying to say sounds like something else. And
Speaker 4: I went to hear and see for myself, and I
Speaker 4: learned exactly.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5: If we are not utilizing these platforms and we don't
Speaker 5: have the proper voices like yourself to come and snatch
Speaker 5: us back.
Speaker 3: In and be like, no, we got to prosecute.
Speaker 5: This man has a Rico, he did, and you when
Speaker 5: we look at you and I'm looking at you and
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, no know what the fuck you're talking about.
Speaker 5: But I'm over here getting a thousand people that's telling
Speaker 5: me some bullshit and they controlling the ears and the
Speaker 5: eyes of the masses. We have to be intentional, Monique.
Speaker 3: We like, we can't.
Speaker 5: We just can't leave it up because when you lose,
Speaker 5: even when you lose in the court and you win
Speaker 5: in the court of public, the pion, it's millions of people, right.
Speaker 5: It's why we have fucking January sixth, because the the
Speaker 5: misinformation and the intentional mispreading and some shit got people
Speaker 5: saying fuck that. And they literally were sitting there like, well,
Speaker 5: Trump told us we could do it. We just was
Speaker 5: doing what the President said, were taking back to white
Speaker 5: and they thought they were, They really thought. So it's
Speaker 5: a cult like understanding of what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5: And if we don't get somebody to intervene in that
Speaker 5: colt and have a counter narrative on these same platforms
Speaker 5: that they spreading this bullshit, then we're gonna we our
Speaker 5: people are gonna continue to keep telling the educated people
Speaker 5: that you're talking about because they're getting their education. Even
Speaker 5: though they're educating in certain ways, social media and media
Speaker 5: has another level of education, right, and they hearing people
Speaker 5: that they respect come with count with narratives that are
Speaker 5: false and words are the false. And when they don't
Speaker 5: all the way know everything, they take that and they
Speaker 5: come to you and they say, well, this.
Speaker 3: Is facts, and they come to you factually. And I've
Speaker 3: had people that I.
Speaker 5: Just say, yo, bro, you just need to calm down.
Speaker 5: These are the fac Just look into it. You just
Speaker 5: calmed down to do a little extra work and look
Speaker 5: into something and you'll see, just like what I was
Speaker 5: talking about the rape. They and God came back and say,
Speaker 5: you know what, you was right. I apologize after two
Speaker 5: days telling me that I was spreading false information.
Speaker 3: I was lying on the guy.
Speaker 5: He wasn't having no sex charges and he wasn't gonna
Speaker 5: be in a sex offender program and he wasn't this,
Speaker 5: and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, by the information, this is a lot. I went
Speaker 3: to the web and I'm like, Broy, you just need
Speaker 3: to take your time.
Speaker 5: And that's what our people are dealing one morning, so
Speaker 5: I think, what are we gonna do to change that?
Speaker 5: And to utilize these platforms that they're utilizing to mis
Speaker 5: to mis inform us, to give us the proper information.
Speaker 2: Well, so a couple of things. First, the guy who
Speaker 2: said that those charges were draped, I don't know that story,
Speaker 2: so I don't know who you're talking about. But saying
Speaker 2: that charges were dropped when they were is correct. That's
Speaker 2: correct if you're or offered a plea bargain and the state.
Speaker 2: This is why I talk about prosecutors and all their
Speaker 2: power decides when they could bring a murder charge, to
Speaker 2: bring an assault charge instead, to bring a manslaughter charge instead,
Speaker 2: to bring you know, and accept defensive others or whatever
Speaker 2: the defense may be. What that means is that you
Speaker 2: were not convicted of, nor did you stand trial for
Speaker 2: whatever those higher charges were. So you can keep saying
Speaker 2: any day you want to say that it was dismissed
Speaker 2: and the context. Then it's up to the other people
Speaker 2: who know the information to include the context of yes,
Speaker 2: this was part of a plea bargain. We don't know
Speaker 2: what would have happened in court. We don't know if
Speaker 2: it would have been found guilty of the higher charges
Speaker 2: or not. Because this decision was made by the government
Speaker 2: that's one two. The court of public opinion. And my
Speaker 2: dear friend Ben Crump and I who I know is
Speaker 2: y'all's dear friend and brother as well. We just agree
Speaker 2: about this all the time because he utilizes it just
Speaker 2: as much as the bad guys. Right, He utilizes it
Speaker 2: the minute, the minute that there's a case and the
Speaker 2: minute that he knows that he needs to get out
Speaker 2: in the public and inform the public. And you're going
Speaker 2: to see the press conference, you're going to see the
Speaker 2: news blitz, and you're going to see everything to get
Speaker 2: ahead of the story. Because that pressure is what creates
Speaker 2: the good result for the client. And that's his only responsibility.
Speaker 2: His responsibility is not whether it ends up in a
Speaker 2: criminal trial or not. He's supposed to win his civil case.
Speaker 2: He's supposed to get the best resolution he can for
Speaker 2: the injured parties that he represents. He utilizes public pressure
Speaker 2: to do so. But that same public pressure can be
Speaker 2: utilized to destroy lives before they ever reach a courtroom.
Speaker 2: So we have black folk on black folks on black folk,
Speaker 2: a few white folk here and there too. But again,
Speaker 2: I'm a criminal defense attorney. I never back away from it.
Speaker 2: And I'll say if you ever been found guilty of
Speaker 2: a crime, I don't care how many crimes you've been
Speaker 2: accused of us you're not guilty. And the way this
Speaker 2: country is supposed to work is that you are innocent
Speaker 2: until you are proven guilty. People can decide if they
Speaker 2: want to. They don't want to do business with you.
Speaker 2: They don't want to take your shows and put them
Speaker 2: on TV anymore, they don't want to let you go
Speaker 2: on tour anymore. They don't want to do business with
Speaker 2: your company anymore. All those things can happen. But to me,
Speaker 2: my soign, if that happened to you as a black
Speaker 2: man in America, because that's what happens to nothing would
Speaker 2: piss me off more. Because now you're fighting Boogeyman, you're
Speaker 2: fighting snuffle of it, because back when nobody could see
Speaker 2: him but big Bird, you're fighting shadows and mirror tricks.
Speaker 2: Because any newspaper can decide, Daily Mail can get up
Speaker 2: tomorrow and decide, let's tear down to Nika, let's tear
Speaker 2: down my son, let's tear down on Linda, let's tear
Speaker 2: down Angelope and do it based on rumors, based on rumors,
Speaker 2: and it'll never make it to a court, not a
Speaker 2: civil court, not a criminal court, and to me that
Speaker 2: is unjust. So that's why I fight.
Speaker 3: Whether I think.
Speaker 2: Somebody did something or didn't, I'm like, prove it. And
Speaker 2: if you're not gonna prove it, shut up about it,
Speaker 2: because we have to be able to What is the point.
Speaker 2: By the time you get to court, you get a
Speaker 2: really good criminal defense attorney and you're found not guilty,
Speaker 2: You've lost your whole life. Everybody left you, including your dog.
Speaker 2: What's the point?
Speaker 4: So I think happened to Brian Benjamin, the lieutenant governor
Speaker 4: in New York.
Speaker 1: They said he did something to quick quote.
Speaker 4: Quot and he lost his job, He had to suspend
Speaker 4: his campaign, all of that lost friends, people start. We
Speaker 4: were at my birthday party and I won't they names,
Speaker 4: but there were people there who was like, he can't
Speaker 4: be in the picture.
Speaker 1: You got him, get him over, he can't be because
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 4: You had staffers running around like, hey, you got to
Speaker 4: back you know, and we still we like Brian is
Speaker 4: our people because until proven guilty, which, by the way,
Speaker 4: to your point about context, I get your point. What
Speaker 4: you said about the charges being dropped are the charges
Speaker 4: being dropped, But when people have contexts that helps to
Speaker 4: provide more information that gives a full view of what
Speaker 4: you're looking at. You might see charges drop, but there's
Speaker 4: a reason why. And a lot of times these prosecutors
Speaker 4: are looking for ways to easily shut stuff down, Like
Speaker 4: you know, they don't have the resources or the time
Speaker 4: that they just don't care enough maybe to even go
Speaker 4: through a whole long drawn now three four years process
Speaker 4: or a year or whatever however the length is, and
Speaker 4: so you know they're looking for ways to cut down
Speaker 4: down on time. So anyway, there's a lot of different
Speaker 4: reasons why that might happen. But within Brian's situation, then
Speaker 4: they the judge said, will show us the quick profault.
Speaker 4: I judge said, I'm all four defans of bringing a
Speaker 4: case against this man.
Speaker 2: I'm with it. Show me where the.
Speaker 4: Specific like what did he gain he gave him and
Speaker 4: then he gave him more.
Speaker 1: Show it to me.
Speaker 2: Where is it?
Speaker 4: They couldn't prove it, so they threw it. But to
Speaker 4: your point, they threw it out. But he still is
Speaker 4: not lieutenant governor. His campaign was still suspended, he still
Speaker 4: spent a million dollars on legal defense, and he still
Speaker 4: has another charge that is lingering that you need the
Speaker 4: first charge to prove the.
Speaker 2: Second, but doesn't matter because they didn't throw it out yet.
Speaker 4: So you're you're I mean, what you're saying is one
Speaker 4: hundred percent right, and I think my saying same thing.
Speaker 2: Who should be Plorida governor right now? Same thing. They
Speaker 2: didn't attack that man relentlessly, relentlessly, relentlessly, and every single
Speaker 2: time he's come out of it clean. Same thing. Justin
Speaker 2: Fairfax was lieutenant governor, should be governor of Virginia came.
Speaker 1: Out cleaning important point. Andrew Gillen.
Speaker 4: They just dismissed Kate charges again to him Jesse a
Speaker 4: few months ago. Now, these people had the biggest scandoever.
Speaker 4: Notwithstanding who he slept with, what he may have done
Speaker 4: to his wife, what issues he may have had with
Speaker 4: drug use, and all of that.
Speaker 2: I'm not all of that.
Speaker 1: That's your personal judgment of him.
Speaker 4: My life ain't clean enough to judge demand for who
Speaker 4: he slept with and whether or not he used drugs
Speaker 4: because I was in rehab at the same time. He
Speaker 4: and I learned on his podcast and we both literally
Speaker 4: shed tears what we learned that we both went to rehab.
Speaker 4: Right my situation may have been a little different, but
Speaker 4: I don't have the right to judge him on that.
Speaker 1: But if that's what you choose to do, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Win Telmant.
Speaker 4: They say he broke the law, he was lying, and
Speaker 4: that he was a conspiracy.
Speaker 2: I mean, they had him on so many charges I
Speaker 2: don't remember and they dismissed it.
Speaker 4: But his life is, his political career is he would
Speaker 4: have to build like Brian from the bottom all the
Speaker 4: way up again to restore the faith in people. But
Speaker 4: I tell you what, I think they should do it
Speaker 4: because Marion Barry Shaw did the group's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you talk about brilliant, there was none
Speaker 2: as brilliant as him, as brilliant or as beloved. And
Speaker 2: I think that that is the combination when people really
Speaker 2: know that you are for them. Back in that day
Speaker 2: it didn't matter. But now, as you said that, with
Speaker 2: your birthday party and things like that, what they do
Speaker 2: now is like you don't even have to be the
Speaker 2: person who's accused of doing something. If you support the
Speaker 2: person who is accused of doing something, if you speak
Speaker 2: well on their behalf, if you refuse to speak ill
Speaker 2: of them, they want to kill you too. They want
Speaker 2: you just as dead as the person. But here's the
Speaker 2: question though, and we gotta wrap up.
Speaker 4: But when I think about asking Couture and Milo or whatever.
Speaker 1: Her name, right, is there a line?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about they said something that you don't like,
Speaker 4: or they you know whatever, But I'm talking about a
Speaker 4: man who is now convicted of rape and you're writing
Speaker 4: character let us on his behalf?
Speaker 2: Do we think is there a line?
Speaker 4: Because what you're saying sounds real good and it's true,
Speaker 4: and it works for my relationship with Pooky because Pooky
Speaker 4: did some crazy shit, and I know he did some
Speaker 4: crazy shit, but I still know that he deserves redemption.
Speaker 4: But if I know POOKI was convicted of rape, I
Speaker 4: can promise you I'm not signing anything on his behalf.
Speaker 4: And that brings me to another conversation. We already had
Speaker 4: all of us, the Carlie Russell thing right the way
Speaker 4: I was able to back some people because people were
Speaker 4: calling me they wanted they wanted literal blood. They wanted
Speaker 4: physical blood draining from her body, out of her eyes.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's how they were calling me, like, no, no,
Speaker 1: she did.
Speaker 2: And I get it.
Speaker 4: They're emotional because they got emotionally connected, so they emotionally
Speaker 4: connected to the end result. But what I kept saying was,
Speaker 4: but you the same person that called me and asked
Speaker 4: me to write a letter on behalf of your nephew,
Speaker 4: who you know, robbed mama, saying in the projects, but
Speaker 4: you want me to understand that he was a trouble kid,
Speaker 4: and he went some things.
Speaker 2: He was da da da dad.
Speaker 4: So we can help Poky ray ray t t and
Speaker 4: we should. But you're ready to kill Carly Russell. So
Speaker 4: the question becomes, where's the line?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and the preacher in me would
Speaker 2: always have to say, there's no greater or lesser sin.
Speaker 2: So it's not that there's one track for the murderer.
Speaker 2: There's another track for the rapist, there's another track for
Speaker 2: the white collar embezzler. All have sinned and fallen short.
Speaker 2: And the decision then becomes whether we believe that there
Speaker 2: is rehabilitation in the law or not, and whether we
Speaker 2: believe that people should have the opportunity for it or not.
Speaker 2: I can tell you I've known you long enough. I
Speaker 2: believe strongly enough in you and your character, in the
Speaker 2: good works that you do in the community, in your
Speaker 2: heart that no matter what came tomorrow, Like tomorrow, we
Speaker 2: could find out you a terrorist, or you could be
Speaker 2: accused of being one. You could be convicted of being
Speaker 2: one at your letter. And I'm gonna tell them what
Speaker 2: I know. I'm not gonna say. Listen, she if she
Speaker 2: did that one, I'm you're gonna have to convince me
Speaker 2: she wasn't. Not in her mind because she needs help.
Speaker 2: She doesn't need a prison if she did whatever it is,
Speaker 2: y'all say she did second because I'm down like that.
Speaker 2: I'm like and she's still my girl, because it would
Speaker 2: the person I know. I'm fighting for that person to
Speaker 2: come back, and that may still end up being with
Speaker 2: prison time.
Speaker 1: Then they still end up being with whatever.
Speaker 2: But the way the system is working now, people don't
Speaker 2: even seem to want to judge to have anything to balance.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have fifteen victim statements, impact statements, but they
Speaker 2: want the criminal, the convicted criminal, to just start wherever
Speaker 2: the crime started. Nothing else they did in life mattered
Speaker 2: until they stole that one million dollars. Come on, now,
Speaker 2: in what world is that true for anybody? So I
Speaker 2: don't blame people for wanting to write and saying this
Speaker 2: is who we knew, and this is what they did
Speaker 2: in the community, or this is what they did in work,
Speaker 2: or this is the good value they offer to society,
Speaker 2: because those are things that judges should be able to consider.
Speaker 2: Will it balance it such that you can walk for rape? No,
Speaker 2: you already convicted. That's not happening. But it doesn't make
Speaker 2: the people who are willing to say something about the
Speaker 2: person they knew, it doesn't make them bad people for that.
Speaker 2: Now the letter is also saying something ridiculous like, oh
Speaker 2: and they asked for it, well not some bullshit. You
Speaker 2: can't say that. So there are limits, but there are
Speaker 2: to be safety and protection, in my opinion, such that
Speaker 2: I can write a letter to Judge chuck In just
Speaker 2: even that for an example, because I just like bringing
Speaker 2: up her name. I'll to be able to write a
Speaker 2: letter to Judge chuck In and say, listen my says
Speaker 2: to Meka. I don't know what happened on that third
Speaker 2: day in June.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was a very bad day. But here's who she's
Speaker 2: been for the past twenty years. We got to be
Speaker 2: able to get to do that. That's that's my last tie.
Speaker 3: You know what that's a dope perspective, and I agree.
Speaker 5: I agree, we got we gotta give people enough grace
Speaker 5: because you don't know everybody's relationship with someone else, you know,
Speaker 5: and and when people love somebody, you got to stay
Speaker 5: if you can't say that you love somebody and don't
Speaker 5: want to stand with them in their hardest times to
Speaker 5: some certain degree, So.
Speaker 1: I support that, and I thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you my line. I have a line
Speaker 4: at certain types of abuse against women and children.
Speaker 2: I have a line.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I would say even with men, because if
Speaker 4: I found out that my that's someone I know, and
Speaker 4: you would have to be damn close for me to
Speaker 4: decide I don't care, not I don't care, but that
Speaker 4: I'm gonna still put myself out there.
Speaker 2: But my line is it's definitely.
Speaker 4: Around women and children. Let me just put it that way.
Speaker 4: If I know that you have done something to really
Speaker 4: harm a woman and or a child, I'm going to
Speaker 4: be much more careful. And I'm also considering, as I'm
Speaker 4: mulling this over, that if you took the life of
Speaker 4: somebody else's child, they son, daughter, or whomever, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, I don't know. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 4: You know, if you stole something, I'm with you because
Speaker 4: I get it, you know, and I know it's wrong,
Speaker 4: and I will tell you all of that. I'm with
Speaker 4: you if you did you know some of these things.
Speaker 4: But when you start talking about.
Speaker 1: People's children, I get real sensitive around that area.
Speaker 4: And so that's something I need to work through. And
Speaker 4: I think all of us have the right to decide
Speaker 4: what you are willing to stand behind. Because my name
Speaker 4: is all I have. So when I put my name
Speaker 4: on something, and by the way, by the way, I
Speaker 4: have to accept the fact because to my son's point,
Speaker 4: if I choose, then I'm gonna stand with you. I
Speaker 4: know you may have killed somebody, you did something, and
Speaker 4: now it's been twenty years or fifteen years or five years,
Speaker 4: and I see the growth and you know whatever, and
Speaker 4: I want to stand by you.
Speaker 2: Pool I'm with that.
Speaker 4: I've done it many times for many brothers, especially many brothers,
Speaker 4: trying to support them in their journey towards redemption. But
Speaker 4: I need to be prepared to put that shit on
Speaker 4: my own social media.
Speaker 2: I don't need to be like, oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: The judge will oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, you gotta
Speaker 4: be willing to stand ten toes down on whatever you say,
Speaker 4: because your name is your name, and if you write
Speaker 4: your name on something, then you are saying I am
Speaker 4: with whatever this person, not what they did for who
Speaker 4: they are.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, And the crisis manager and me
Speaker 2: will offer that free tip if you are in public
Speaker 2: life at all, any single thing you do, be prepared
Speaker 2: for that thing to be on the front page of
Speaker 2: everything the next day. And if you're still okay with
Speaker 2: doing it, proceed otherwise. Govern yourself accordingly.
Speaker 5: Well, we love you, mo, and you know, as usual,
Speaker 5: you've given us perspectives, brilliant perspectives, and we're gonna mulle
Speaker 5: it over, you know, and take it and hopefully we
Speaker 5: our people will get it, you know, because when we
Speaker 5: go through we did, like we're dealing with times right,
Speaker 5: like a lot of there's a lot of just black people,
Speaker 5: leaders and everything who are scared right now, Like we
Speaker 5: got a we got a person who's got forty something
Speaker 5: fucking federal charges that could actually get voted than this president,
Speaker 5: like it has an opportunity like this, this is some
Speaker 5: shit that's never been heard of.
Speaker 3: So what is it we're looking at what does that
Speaker 3: actually mean? Like, what does that actually mean for our future?
Speaker 5: So, you know, I'm hoping that people take, you know,
Speaker 5: pay a lot more attention, listen to things you're saying.
Speaker 5: We start utilizing these same platforms to properly educate our
Speaker 5: people about what's going on, you know, and give the
Speaker 5: voices to those who actually know, you know, give them
Speaker 5: platforms and a voice to those who actually know to
Speaker 5: spread words, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's why it's so important that money goes on
Speaker 4: like Fox News, because I've had friends tell me I'm
Speaker 4: not doing Fox News.
Speaker 1: Nah, but a lot of times. And I used to
Speaker 1: do Fox News all the time.
Speaker 4: By the way, when I used to work at National
Speaker 4: Action Network, I was on all the time. They don't
Speaker 4: invite me anymore. And I'm not going to like go
Speaker 4: pitch myself if they call, though I don't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: But it has become a gotcha space. When I used
Speaker 4: to on years ago, fifteen years ago, you could actually
Speaker 4: have a conversation with Sean Hannity. Nowadays, it's now like
Speaker 4: you know, they you know, it's a different environment. So
Speaker 4: I get why people are saying they don't mess with it.
Speaker 4: But I think to my son's point, right, you need
Speaker 4: to be in the same places where the misinformation is
Speaker 4: being spread.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we need to support our people who are
Speaker 2: trying to put the right information out there too, which
Speaker 2: shameless plug. We do this every day day through Friday
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Speaker 2: But black media is working hard to try to get
Speaker 2: the right message out there, and I agree with you.
Speaker 2: We need to be in those other spaces too, as
Speaker 2: long as they're not just pimping us, because that's why
Speaker 2: I stopped, because they were just trying to They were
Speaker 2: using me for clicks and then by the time you know,
Speaker 2: it actually comes out, it's like a SoundBite. I ain't
Speaker 2: doing that no more.
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Speaker 3: So we've come to my I don't get it.
Speaker 5: Last week, like during the weekend, I posted about a
Speaker 5: young lady who allegedly.
Speaker 3: Was hit with the brick in the face. She posted
Speaker 3: a video first.
Speaker 5: The first video I saw was from a hospital room
Speaker 5: and she was explaining how she was hitting the face
Speaker 5: of the brick because she didn't want to give a
Speaker 5: guy a number. She was hysterical, she was crying and
Speaker 5: face was swollen, so obviously I assumed that this had happened.
Speaker 5: Then I seen another video, actually from the scene of
Speaker 5: where it happened, her taking a video of herself talking
Speaker 5: to a man saying, I was hitting the face of
Speaker 5: the brick and these black men just stood around and
Speaker 5: did nothing. And in the background you can hear the
Speaker 5: black men saying, well, what were.
Speaker 3: We supposed to do?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What are we supposed to do? Like? You know, and then
Speaker 3: she was like, you're supposed to be a man, You're
Speaker 3: supposed to be a man. So that was sound by
Speaker 3: a guy. And then after that there was another man.
Speaker 5: Who said that he was actually physically there, you know,
Speaker 5: and his point was he was trying to justify why
Speaker 5: he did nothing. You know, he said, yeah, she was
Speaker 5: hit with the brick, but you know she was asking
Speaker 5: for it.
Speaker 3: She was loud.
Speaker 5: You know, if you go to Instagram, you see her
Speaker 5: always talking this and that. You know, I'm not protecting,
Speaker 5: I'm not getting involved in none of that. You know,
Speaker 5: she pretty much brought it or herself, you know. And
Speaker 5: my response to the whole situation in general was, you know,
Speaker 5: as a black man, I was ashamed that black men
Speaker 5: would either participate by hitting the woman with the brick
Speaker 5: in the face before not talking to us, and then
Speaker 5: you know, try to justify it, or sit there and
Speaker 5: watch and not try to intervene, or try, you know,
Speaker 5: even to just interject and try to stop her from
Speaker 5: being hit. I'm not saying everybody's supposed to fight. We
Speaker 5: don't be the toughest person, don't risk your life, don't
Speaker 5: go out and fight and shoot someone. I'm not saying
Speaker 5: none of that. I'm saying, as a man of good
Speaker 5: moral content, if you've seen a woman about the conscious,
Speaker 5: my fault good and moral conscious. If you've seen a
Speaker 5: man about to hit a woman in the brick something innately,
Speaker 5: and you should say, hey, calm down, brother, let's stop.
Speaker 5: You just just think about it, relaxed. I know you frustrated,
Speaker 5: but just to try to de escalate the situation.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: So I say, any man who wouldn't do that, it's
Speaker 5: a conrad. And any man who would hit a woman
Speaker 5: in the face with a brick is a cow, you know. So,
Speaker 5: as of late, there's there's been some discoveries on different
Speaker 5: YouTube pages that shows that there's a possibility, strong possibility,
Speaker 5: that this woman created a whole hoax in order to
Speaker 5: raise money for a go fundme. Her go fund me
Speaker 5: is now up to about forty thousand dallars. She has
Speaker 5: two different go Fundme pages now up to about forty
Speaker 5: thousand dollars. And there's been different people supposedly quote unquote
Speaker 5: because now you don't know who's what, supposedly one of
Speaker 5: her friends, you know, who would supporting her. They have
Speaker 5: showed that she's in pictures with her, they hang out together.
Speaker 5: It's saying that you know, this is probably about the
Speaker 5: third or fourth time she's done this, and she didn't
Speaker 5: want to say anything because she didn't want people to
Speaker 5: come at her, So she figured people would eventually find
Speaker 5: out their pictures with her.
Speaker 3: With similar a similar swollen.
Speaker 5: Face and it's supposedly attributed to allergic reaction and that
Speaker 5: she's had. They also have a picture of her moments
Speaker 5: before inside of the club with a full mask on
Speaker 5: her face in black mass all you can see is
Speaker 5: her eyes or they show her that I think it
Speaker 5: comes from her page these that she actually has tape
Speaker 5: or took videos herself.
Speaker 3: Then they interviewed a.
Speaker 5: Couple of the guys who you see in the video
Speaker 5: in the background where she's saying that they were watching her,
Speaker 5: and they saying they actually never seen her get hit
Speaker 5: with her break. They just seen her come and they
Speaker 5: was trying to help her, like yo. They were trying
Speaker 5: to get the police. She didn't want to make a
Speaker 5: police report, and she drove off before when they went
Speaker 5: to get the police.
Speaker 3: She left before the police got there.
Speaker 5: Then they're saying that she went to a clinic, and
Speaker 5: the clinic the people at the clinic stated that she
Speaker 5: never came there for injuries that she said it was
Speaker 5: either allergic reaction or she had celine. She puts saline
Speaker 5: into this. So there's so many different things that lead
Speaker 5: and then you know she's just pretty much disappeared.
Speaker 3: And you see that she's asked for money on.
Speaker 5: Numerous occasions for medical you know, bills, she never identified,
Speaker 5: the god didn't make the police support the people at
Speaker 5: the clinic say, she never said that she was here.
Speaker 5: There's all types of things that leads to us to
Speaker 5: believe that there's a strong possibility that she might have
Speaker 5: did this hoax to raise money. What I don't get, right,
Speaker 5: the point of me that I don't get is people
Speaker 5: telling me that I should apologize, And first of all,
Speaker 5: I would like to know who and what I should
Speaker 5: apologize for. First, who should I apologize too? And what
Speaker 5: should I apologize for?
Speaker 3: Right? And I should hold women accountable.
Speaker 5: First of all, I'm not a woman, right, but if
Speaker 5: this woman did something and she scammed people, she should
Speaker 5: be held accountable.
Speaker 3: You know, it's wrong we're dealing with.
Speaker 5: We're in a time when black women are always being abused.
Speaker 3: There are so many just like the Carlie Russell.
Speaker 5: I do not condone any woman that will utilize their
Speaker 5: platform with voice to you know, to lie to get
Speaker 5: gone attention. I do not support any woman who would
Speaker 5: lie on black men, you know, especially in times when
Speaker 5: we're trying to be united, lie on black men and
Speaker 5: cause some level of division and make it seem as
Speaker 5: black men did something to Harmer. I do not condone that,
Speaker 5: you know, and never will you know. And I think
Speaker 5: she should be held accountable. I think everybody who gave
Speaker 5: her money, you know, if it's found out that she lied,
Speaker 5: and we should figure out what is the process to
Speaker 5: get your money back first of all, and then prevent
Speaker 5: things like this.
Speaker 3: From happening again. But I will not apologize for.
Speaker 5: Being a man and stating that a woman should not
Speaker 5: be hitting the face of the brick. I will not
Speaker 5: apologize for being a man and stating that any man
Speaker 5: that would sit around and watch a woman hitting the
Speaker 5: face of the brick and not do anything verbally, physically,
Speaker 5: anything to try to stop or try to, you know,
Speaker 5: disengage that situation from happening, is a coward. I will
Speaker 5: not apologize for those states.
Speaker 3: I will not.
Speaker 5: Apologize for me standing up for women. I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: be I'm not gonna apologize. I will continue to be
Speaker 5: quote unquote as simple whatever y'all want to call me,
Speaker 5: I'll take on that, but I have no reason to
Speaker 5: apologize for that stance.
Speaker 3: And the main arguments that I.
Speaker 5: Had with people were not that people that came to
Speaker 5: nobody came to my package said Yo, she's lying, this
Speaker 5: didn't happen, and me and that person got into an argument,
Speaker 5: and I called him a coward because he didn't believe
Speaker 5: it happened.
Speaker 3: Those people were and people are engaged. The people are engaged.
Speaker 5: Were the people who told me that, well, she shouldn't
Speaker 5: have said this, or she shouldn't have did this, or
Speaker 5: you know, I looked at her page and she talked
Speaker 5: too much. She don't need a black man, so no
Speaker 5: man should protect him. I will not apologize for saying
Speaker 5: if any man that had that position to me was
Speaker 5: had a cowardy position.
Speaker 3: You understand I'm saying. I did not discredit any man.
Speaker 5: Who didn't believe that the situation happened because that's his perspective.
Speaker 5: But I think as men in our society, especially as
Speaker 5: black men, we should never be okay with watching other
Speaker 5: men beat on black women. And I'm not gonna apologize
Speaker 5: for that. So if somebody's looking for apology for me,
Speaker 5: for that, then they are looking for the wrong thing
Speaker 5: from the wrong person. What I will say is we
Speaker 5: need to be careful, right black men, black women, But
Speaker 5: in this case, black women, we have to be careful.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: We have to be careful because you wanted to utilize
Speaker 5: this platform and utilize your voice to cause false alarms. Right,
Speaker 5: they are really black women are being harmed out here.
Speaker 5: They are really Black women who are being beat and
Speaker 5: destroyed and harmed and physically beat and abused. And every
Speaker 5: time that you do this, it's harder for us, the
Speaker 5: ones who want to protect you to fight. And we
Speaker 5: already fighting agains the Black women's already the most disrespected
Speaker 5: and unprotected being on this earth. It makes it harder.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to stop standing up, but I want
Speaker 5: you to understand that you give you give some level
Speaker 5: of credence to voices who want to discredit the Black
Speaker 5: women's clean You give credence to those you know. So
Speaker 5: I'm I'm not against anyone who's calling this woman now.
Speaker 5: I'm not against anyone who's telling us how damage that
Speaker 5: she is or utilizing their platform.
Speaker 3: I'm not against any of that. But my job as a.
Speaker 5: Black man is to pull up black men and call
Speaker 5: out black men and tell black men what we should
Speaker 5: be doing. You know, I believe that situations like that
Speaker 5: it's harder for them to happen when we standing on
Speaker 5: our square as we're supposed to, you know. But when
Speaker 5: you got a million men in my inside of my
Speaker 5: my my comments saying well, she deserves it, and only
Speaker 5: only certain type of women is supposed to be protected,
Speaker 5: and if she ain't moving a certain way, then you know,
Speaker 5: fuck it. I ain't stopping nobody. That's not my business.
Speaker 5: I gotta worry about my own, you know. When I
Speaker 5: see those type of things inside of my comments, you know,
Speaker 5: that's where the problem is for me.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: And when and when women, when women see that, they
Speaker 5: feel like, damn, look how many men actually feel that way?
Speaker 3: Look coming? And this ain't have This has very little
Speaker 3: to do with this one incident, right. It has to
Speaker 3: do with an overall mind state, because before you knew
Speaker 3: or believe that this woman came up with false allegations
Speaker 3: for money, you believe that she got hit, but you
Speaker 3: tried to figure out the reason why it made sense
Speaker 3: that she got hit. And that's what we have to
Speaker 3: point out. Let's not point on this war.
Speaker 5: Let's not use this isolated situation, you know, to completely
Speaker 5: come up with the total hypothesis of what we're dealing
Speaker 5: with as black in America, women, black women, and black
Speaker 5: men are dealing with. So once again, I don't understand
Speaker 5: what y'all want me to apologize for. I'm never going
Speaker 5: to apologize for saying that black women need to be protected.
Speaker 5: I'm not condoning anything this woman did. I don't condone
Speaker 5: nothing that Cary Russell did. I think they need to
Speaker 5: deal with the consequences of those actions, with those actions
Speaker 5: that they did on them, I'm talking about black women
Speaker 5: and black men as a whole being united and taking care.
Speaker 3: Of each other.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think, yeah, certainly, when there are these
Speaker 4: types of incidents, they certainly furthers the lack of protection
Speaker 4: that we as black women feel. But by the way,
Speaker 4: a lot of people, regardless of whether she was telling
Speaker 4: the truth or ling, they still ain't gonna do nothing.
Speaker 1: And in fact, some of them.
Speaker 4: Are the abuses, which is why they really don't want
Speaker 4: to why they really spend a lot of time behind
Speaker 4: fake profiles trying to make the case.
Speaker 2: Of why a women deserve x y Z.
Speaker 4: So that's one thing I think also though, that when
Speaker 4: you are a trying to be a voice and you're
Speaker 4: trying to work in certain areas, you have passion, and
Speaker 4: you have a public profile, and you're speaking on whatever
Speaker 4: different issues, you're not always going to be right.
Speaker 1: That's just life like.
Speaker 4: There's going to be a percentage of cases that we
Speaker 4: work on that we learn details as we go along
Speaker 4: that if we had known in the beginning, we might
Speaker 4: not have continued to engage. We may have done it
Speaker 4: with more caution, We may have said different things. We
Speaker 4: may have even wanted those those issues to come forward
Speaker 4: early so that they wouldn't come later. And I always
Speaker 4: say to people, more you tell me about whatever details
Speaker 4: has happening that night, when it's shooting took place or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's helpful because we could get.
Speaker 4: In front of people later on saying that we you know,
Speaker 4: we tried to hide things or suppress information for the
Speaker 4: good of our case, or you know, to talk bad
Speaker 4: about police or whatever. They say a lot of different things,
Speaker 4: So that is just what it is. It's not going
Speaker 4: to be one hundred proof. You're going to have instances
Speaker 4: in scenarios where you find out. But the thing is
Speaker 4: even if and I'm just using this as an example
Speaker 4: because or two things as an example, right, two things
Speaker 4: I can use as an example. Even if George Floyd
Speaker 4: did take a drug, had nothing to do with that
Speaker 4: officer choking him to death. Even if Breonna Taylor's old
Speaker 4: boyfriend was involved in a legal drug activity, had nothing
Speaker 4: to do with them lying on the warrant to go
Speaker 4: to a house and shooting them up in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night, or shooting her up and putting Kenny's
Speaker 4: life in danger in the middle of the night, had
Speaker 4: nothing to do with that, right, And so you can
Speaker 4: still support, as you said, your premise. Your premise can
Speaker 4: still be strong, it can be as it has made,
Speaker 4: as it has been.
Speaker 2: But then you can.
Speaker 4: Also make room for additional things that come into play,
Speaker 4: as you know more. That's just life, what I will say,
Speaker 4: as my one and I've been we talk about this
Speaker 4: all the time, and I notice it, and I also
Speaker 4: have many conversations with lately, I've been talking with Charlemagne
Speaker 4: and Teslin in our personal group chat about this as well.
Speaker 4: The Internet is a very dangerous place. It's a very
Speaker 4: dangerous place. It lacks information, sometimes it lacks context. We
Speaker 4: just finished talking with Monique about how the way that
Speaker 4: people interpret stories, because I've seen I've literally watched people
Speaker 4: tell stories about me or my life or what I'm
Speaker 4: doing or whatever, and it's completely not in line with
Speaker 4: who I really am or even what was going on
Speaker 4: in that moment. But because they are loud, they get
Speaker 4: to tell their story and it's spread. So what I
Speaker 4: am now learning and what I have been focused on,
Speaker 4: is that while there is a lot happening on the Internet,
Speaker 4: and it is a place that we all us go
Speaker 4: and know what the energy is, and this is where
Speaker 4: you learn about a lot of cases and people get
Speaker 4: to contact you and what have you, you really have
Speaker 4: to be careful with how much of it you consume
Speaker 4: and how quick we are to respond to what we're seeing. Right,
Speaker 4: So I am in a lot of ways because we
Speaker 4: have so much other work that's happening every day. And
Speaker 4: you obviously have so much other work. You got books,
Speaker 4: I got books. It's all kinds of things going on.
Speaker 4: I am finding myself beginning to pull back from the
Speaker 4: Internet a lot more. I'm beginning to be less engaged with.
Speaker 2: Trying to quickly respond to things that I see.
Speaker 4: It's okay for me to let three or four days
Speaker 4: pass of a story until I'm able to watch the
Speaker 4: unpacking of it and then decide what I want to say,
Speaker 4: but more importantly, what I want to do right. And
Speaker 4: so that's my suggestion to you is that you have
Speaker 4: to You're never going to be a hundred proof, hundred
Speaker 4: proof with any of these things. I'm not talking about
Speaker 4: an apology or whatever that's on you how you feel
Speaker 4: you want to deal with it, but you're never going
Speaker 4: to be a hundred proof. But you do have to
Speaker 4: build guardrails because what you are, what you are experiencing
Speaker 4: in this moment right which you don't need a woman
Speaker 4: with a brick, whether she lying or telling the truth,
Speaker 4: to make the case about the protection of black women.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 4: People learn more with imagery and examples that make them emotional,
Speaker 4: and then we have emotional connection to these issues because
Speaker 4: we believe if I see somebody being abused by a
Speaker 4: police officer, I saw a woman being choked to death
Speaker 4: by a man in a beauty supply store, Oh that
Speaker 4: makes me I get emotionally charged. That's the only way
Speaker 4: I can continue to do this work right. But I
Speaker 4: am in my as I grow in this movement. I'm
Speaker 4: realizing that it's okay to put a few days between
Speaker 4: me speaking on it. I don't have anything. I'm not
Speaker 4: in a rush because the problem is not going to
Speaker 4: just go away. And yeah, it's true that if you
Speaker 4: try to enter the chat three days later, people are like,
Speaker 4: what the hell you talking about? We've moved on, But
Speaker 4: more than likely folks are not going to move on
Speaker 4: from a woman being hit in the face by a
Speaker 4: brick or these other issues. So my thing, and I've
Speaker 4: been saying it. I've said it to myself, I've said
Speaker 4: it to you, and I will continue to say that
Speaker 4: the Internet is not the same place that it once was.
Speaker 4: And I know that a part of what we believe
Speaker 4: is like, well.
Speaker 2: We have to be the balance.
Speaker 4: But the thing is, you are one person that does
Speaker 4: not have the resources to send somebody to interview the people,
Speaker 4: to go talk to the lady. You don't have that
Speaker 4: type of the resources to do that, so you have
Speaker 4: to use discernment. And the discernment, unfortunately, is if something
Speaker 4: this is what I have found, if something.
Speaker 1: Is serious enough.
Speaker 4: It'll find this way to you and give you an
Speaker 4: opportunity to do what you think needs to be done
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 2: But I am removing.
Speaker 4: Myself as much as possible from and not to say
Speaker 4: I don't won't do it sometimes or whatever, but I'm
Speaker 4: removing myself as much as possible from the need to
Speaker 4: respond quickly to everything that I see, or to even
Speaker 4: some of the things that I see. And now I'm
Speaker 4: beginning to take the time to listen, learn, read, and
Speaker 4: understand more so that I can slow down or reduce
Speaker 4: the number of mistakes and or false representations or whatever, Carli.
Speaker 4: But then again to the point Carl Russell, right, you
Speaker 4: only got seventy two hours when somebody's missing, so you
Speaker 4: can't wait three days. But I even still waited twenty
Speaker 4: four hours, and then I could still be wrong, you
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I could still.
Speaker 4: Be wrong, or not so much that I was wrong,
Speaker 4: because I wasn't wrong at all. It's nobody like you said,
Speaker 4: this is nobody apologized to because that's on Carly.
Speaker 1: It's not on me.
Speaker 4: I did what I thought was right based upon the
Speaker 4: information that I had, and it's a short window to
Speaker 4: make the statement. But I think that there has to
Speaker 4: be a balance, and one of the balances is recognizing
Speaker 4: that the Internet has become such successful.
Speaker 2: We got it.
Speaker 4: By the time I spoke on Carli Russell. It wasn't
Speaker 4: just because the Internet was telling me to which they were.
Speaker 4: It was because Star Jones and other people were calling
Speaker 4: me saying they spoke to her mother.
Speaker 1: But that's my advice.
Speaker 5: No, it's good advice, and you know, and we live
Speaker 5: and we learned, and I just think for me, black
Speaker 5: women being hitting their face is imminent. Danger is immediate, right,
Speaker 5: It's like and just the way that I spoke on
Speaker 5: it was just based on the situation.
Speaker 3: That it happened.
Speaker 5: It wasn't just oh, I was hitting the face of
Speaker 5: the brick, boomom boom, boh. It was the fact that
Speaker 5: there were other men there, right, and there were so
Speaker 5: many people that was coming and making it seem like
Speaker 5: it was justifiable. So even the situation itself to me
Speaker 5: was triggering because it's like.
Speaker 3: What do you mean, what does she do? What do
Speaker 3: you mean?
Speaker 5: You know, I need more context if she got hitting
Speaker 5: the brick, I want to understand why, right, That in
Speaker 5: itself was triggering to me. And I actually took two
Speaker 5: days because I was getting overflooded with it. For days,
Speaker 5: I never commented on it, you know, so when it
Speaker 5: originally happened, I never said anything about it. So I
Speaker 5: took two days and I think, you know, just just
Speaker 5: moving forward, you know, I don't. I think when I
Speaker 5: comment on the situation, it's going to be more.
Speaker 3: It's something that the.
Speaker 5: Issue rather than the particular thing, unless it's something that
Speaker 5: particularly the particular thing needs us a call to action,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. The issue around what happened
Speaker 5: to the women was, you know, the mind state of
Speaker 5: black men around what was supposedly happened to the woman
Speaker 5: was detrimental to me that I was focusing on and
Speaker 5: I and my goal now is to focus on black men.
Speaker 3: Right. I'm doing Raisin Kings.
Speaker 5: I got a book called Raising Kings, Twelve Principles of Manhood,
Speaker 5: you know. I got an organization boycott black murder. I
Speaker 5: got you know, ending calviculture. It's really me focusing on
Speaker 5: understanding that when men get back to their natural you know,
Speaker 5: in society, then everything else will be fine. The women
Speaker 5: that were talking about they need to do this with
Speaker 5: men's women start seeing men move in.
Speaker 3: The proper right.
Speaker 5: Women know that they're protected, that they got people that
Speaker 5: they could trust. All these things, and we're doing the
Speaker 5: shit as we do. I think women go back to
Speaker 5: their natural you know, as being leaders of society, but
Speaker 5: understanding that we work in unison and not saying I
Speaker 5: don't need this and I don't need a man, and
Speaker 5: we don't get into this, you know, this gender shit.
Speaker 5: So my thing is I focus on men. I'm not
Speaker 5: focusing on women because I've never been a woman in
Speaker 5: my life. I don't know the mentality of a woman.
Speaker 5: I don't know the physical you know, women feel every day,
Speaker 5: how they emotionally attach or But I've been a man
Speaker 5: every day and I've been around men of strong caliber
Speaker 5: and strong you know, moral compasses a lot of my life.
Speaker 5: So I know how to speak to that, and I
Speaker 5: know how to speak to those who have that.
Speaker 3: Inside of them. So that's what my focus is.
Speaker 5: Everybody got something to focus if you go to school,
Speaker 5: is one teacher teach history.
Speaker 3: One people teachers teach this. They teach that.
Speaker 5: My My subject is men in manhood, and I'm going
Speaker 5: to focus on that. So everyone, I want you to
Speaker 5: call out women, I'm not That's not really my job.
Speaker 5: I learned that by being around strong women that me
Speaker 5: trying to man explain a woman into what she needs
Speaker 5: to be doing as a man.
Speaker 3: It don't work.
Speaker 5: It actually just caused further division when I focus on me,
Speaker 5: and then it makes them want to focus on them.
Speaker 5: It makes women say, you know what, I see, the
Speaker 5: men are over here focusing on them. Let us get
Speaker 5: out with shit together so that we're on the same page.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean I like the fact that you've
Speaker 1: said where you see you could do something different, which
Speaker 1: is to talk about the issue, because I think you
Speaker 1: were saying when they were trying to tell you that
Speaker 1: she makes skips, you shown like this is a different shirt,
Speaker 1: and to your point, like there's no reason to even
Speaker 1: get into that because you don't know whether she's telling
Speaker 1: the youth or not. You could say, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what she's telling you.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the scenario, right, So I think you
Speaker 4: know and it's not an easy thing to figure out.
Speaker 4: My So, I think you're doing the right thing by recognizing, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is what I could do different, but there's really not.
Speaker 4: You can never apologize for standing up.
Speaker 2: For what you.
Speaker 3: Not at all.
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