WEBVTT - Nothing Matters and What If It Did???

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing matters and what if it did? It's one more thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm strong. One more thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the name of a John Cougar Mellencamp album, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the name of an album?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's absolutely an album.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing matters and what if it did?

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<v Speaker 2>It is checking? Is that John Mellenhead? I think as

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<v Speaker 2>we used to call him back in the Midwest. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's melonhead.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get to nothing matters and what if

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<v Speaker 1>it did?

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<v Speaker 2>R F.

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<v Speaker 1>K Junior, our Secretary of Health and something or other

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<v Speaker 1>and Pete Hegzet the Second Deaf, had a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a fitness challenge thing they were doing yesterday to try

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<v Speaker 1>to get the whole presidential fitness thing off and running

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<v Speaker 1>and emphasize fitness. Here's a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, Robert John Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the secretary, I mean here was secretary exists in

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Avez.

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<v Speaker 3>So we had our big, big big body challenge today.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty pull ups, one hundred pushups you can try to

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<v Speaker 2>get under five minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>How'd you ever got close? Twenty five? You were right

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<v Speaker 1>behind me, so uh the numbers on that if you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't catch him. Fifty pull ups, which would take me

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<v Speaker 1>a month. Yeah, and one hundred pushups, which I could

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<v Speaker 1>do in uh, you know, in a half an hour,

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<v Speaker 1>probably in under five minutes. He didn't quite get there. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Pete hegseeth is forty five and in super shape and

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<v Speaker 1>was doing pull ups and everything like that. Still, you know, impressive,

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<v Speaker 1>but freaking RFK junior seventy one and I was watching

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<v Speaker 1>him crank out those pull ups. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he's a roid.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, right, yeah, but still he's seventy one.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's wearing jeans, and he's wearing jeans at the

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<v Speaker 2>gym like I do at the gym. Right, those most.

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<v Speaker 1>Who believe in wearing dungarees to the gymnasium, yes, were

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<v Speaker 1>you wearing cowboy boots as well to the gym? I

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<v Speaker 1>was not.

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<v Speaker 2>I was wearing gymnasium shuresses and leave the boots. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with setting the standards too high. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this is what the presidential fitness thing was like

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<v Speaker 1>when we were kids. You set a standard that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>can get. It's something you learn with goal setting business.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can't reach the goal, it's meaningless. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>motivate anybody to do anything. And like, if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a goal of fifty pull ups, I don't like work

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<v Speaker 1>toward it. I just think, screw it. I'm never going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to do it. So you have to

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<v Speaker 1>have a realistic goal for crime out loud. I would agree, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly sub goals that you can reach. It was funny though,

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned during the end of the radio show that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching Quarterback on Netflix. Their charming Peyton Manning produced

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<v Speaker 1>you know, documentary on NFL quarterbacks. They like highlight three

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<v Speaker 1>of them per season and follow them through the season, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ups and downs and injuries and stuff like that. Truly

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't compel this season, oh, the most recent season. Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Burrow of the Cincinnati Bengals. I'm handsome as can be.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a Borough fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, me too, A really interesting guy. Uh, you're

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<v Speaker 2>putting me on the spot here. It was with the Rams.

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<v Speaker 2>Now with the Detroit Lions doing great, got traded for

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew Stafford. Michael helped me here. I can see the face.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. I know me too, me too. It'll wait.

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<v Speaker 2>They ja Red Goff. They chant his name all around

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<v Speaker 2>the city. They chant whenever they see him, Jared Goff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting that you couldn't remember, but when you chanted,

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<v Speaker 1>you could remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well yeah, well that's why people you can remember

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<v Speaker 2>stuff set to music. And then the third one is

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<v Speaker 2>a handsome fella used to be quarterback from Minnesota's Now

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<v Speaker 2>with Atlanta Square jawed Christian uh Father Kirk Cousins Cousins,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much, Michael. Anyway, I can't remember which

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<v Speaker 2>it might have been. Cousins said, I pursue perfection. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't Cousin. It doesn't matter. I sue perfection because

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<v Speaker 2>pursuing perfection is the only way you get to excellence. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's different than a number of push ups. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just thought. I thought of that when you brought that up. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's and I'd rather not say this out

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<v Speaker 2>loud because of the derision it will and should bring.

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<v Speaker 2>But obviously, if you're doing I don't know, a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>or radio show, you're trying to make it perfect so

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<v Speaker 2>that it's excellent. It will never be perfect, that's clear.

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<v Speaker 2>Eliminate all mistakes and f ups and boring parts and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of that's the goal, clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, where were we?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even do a pull up? Can you believe

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm doing a lot of assisted pull ups. You

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen that machine, a counterweight machine.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that thing is great the same, Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>then you can at least do them. Yeah, I use

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<v Speaker 1>the resistance bands attached to the bar. I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to a fancy gym that had those machines where you

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<v Speaker 1>could do dips or pull ups with a little assistant. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was great. The gym I go to now is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much just giant hunks of metal and bar, so

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't have the fancy stuff. But yeah, can you just.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead and say you're in prison, Let's just be

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<v Speaker 2>honest about it, Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, he's broadcasting from cell block C. That's right

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<v Speaker 1>from when I defrauded an inn caper. That one time

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<v Speaker 1>I went to two movies for one price a dark Day, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's that, and then this other thing I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get on here. This is a little Instagram reel

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<v Speaker 1>I came across a Jerry Seinfeld that I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always had the skill of extracting the essence of

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<v Speaker 2>any object I study, be it scientology, judaism, zen, yoga, meditation.

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<v Speaker 3>Right on this Marra Aurelius is my new one. The

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<v Speaker 3>Roman emperor who wrote a book called Meditations, which was

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of Stoicism, and that that's my obsession now

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<v Speaker 3>is Marcus Aurelius. He had this fantastic philosophical observations.

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<v Speaker 2>On life, and you've learned what from that.

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<v Speaker 3>That everything that you're worried about is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>gone like that. The people that you that are criticizing you,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be gone. You're going to be gone.

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<v Speaker 3>All this hand ringing worry and concern over how are

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<v Speaker 3>people viewing me? And uh, someone said something bad about

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<v Speaker 3>me and you get so upset about it is wasted

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<v Speaker 3>time and energy. Marcus Aurelius says, your only focus should

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<v Speaker 3>be on getting better at what you're doing. Focus on

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<v Speaker 3>what you're doing, get better at what you're doing. Everything

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<v Speaker 3>else is a complete waste of time.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was damned interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I agree, And I'm really interested in Stoicism

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<v Speaker 2>and read a fair amount about it. It's interesting how Stoicism,

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<v Speaker 2>or like Buddhism, being you know, completely at peace and

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<v Speaker 2>very zen. The rest of it is not far off

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<v Speaker 2>of nihilism. True, it's a bit of a horseshoe theory. Thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they all get to so much of what you worry

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<v Speaker 2>about doesn't matter, So stop worrying.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it possible to get very far down the road though,

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<v Speaker 1>of letting go of worrying about crap you should worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think about it. I was thinking about this

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<v Speaker 1>the other day before. So I heard that Seinfeld thing

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<v Speaker 1>two days ago, and I've been it's been on my

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<v Speaker 1>mind a lot. And i'd had in the last week,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd seen a couple of little kids between the ages

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<v Speaker 1>of like two and four doing their little kid thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like in the park or at stores or whatever. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>lives in the moment, like a four year old or

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<v Speaker 1>a two year old. I mean, they are one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>percent invested in what they're doing at that moment. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not thinking about, you know, what is the point of this,

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<v Speaker 1>Or it's gonna be hot this weekend or whatever, or

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people think to me, you're making this

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<v Speaker 1>mud pie, yeah, Or I sure wish I had a

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<v Speaker 1>new car, you know, Am I going to pay that bill? Yeah? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Or just well paying a bill at least there's something

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<v Speaker 1>important there. A lot of the stuff you worry about

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<v Speaker 1>just has no value whatsoever. I mean zero value. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there a reason we age out of that and can't

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<v Speaker 1>get back into it at all? As much as O

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<v Speaker 1>kid in the park, And I thought, God, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be if I could do that for ten minutes. How

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<v Speaker 1>refreshing would it be to be completely in the moment

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<v Speaker 1>without dwelling on stupid crap?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think some people do return to it. Yeah. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>in older age you realize it's you know, the cliche,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a good one. Is the three stages. You

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<v Speaker 2>worry about what other people think of you, then you

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry what other people are thinking of you. Then

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<v Speaker 2>you realize they weren't thinking of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Michael, No, I agree with it what Joe said.

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<v Speaker 2>When you get much older, you get to a point

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<v Speaker 2>where you don't care what you say. Oh, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is my favorite stage of people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I love that. My thirteen year old keeps

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<v Speaker 1>talking about I can't wait till I'm old and I

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<v Speaker 1>can just say whatever I want. We'll walk by a

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<v Speaker 1>group of people, he say, you know what I would

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<v Speaker 1>say if I was old.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, well there's that, but uh huh, And I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose it doesn't a lot of it doesn't matter anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's one way to let go of it. It

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<v Speaker 1>never did matter, is the thing. It never did matter.

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<v Speaker 2>That realization that it never mattered. Maybe that clicks And

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<v Speaker 2>if anybody else got hung up on this, because I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking about it for a second or two. But

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Seinfeld saying the only thing that matters is to

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<v Speaker 2>get better at what you are doing. To do that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the obvious retort to that is all that'll be gone too.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a waste of time and meaningless too. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the answer to that is no, that's really the

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<v Speaker 2>only true joy and satisfaction you can have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not a waste of time to pursue something

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<v Speaker 1>and get better at it. It's meaningless over in the

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<v Speaker 1>long run of history of time.

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<v Speaker 2>But we just get a long run. No, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we get a short run, So talk to me about

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<v Speaker 2>the short run. With all due respect to those who

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<v Speaker 2>are going to come in six hundred and fifty years,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish them well, but that ain't my problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know that living in the moment. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've had any luck with getting better at living in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, please text your email. I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>get better at that. I meditate all the time, like

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about in the air a lot, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>helped a lot with like even keel and all that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff. But living in the moment, it hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>improved any I don't think I want to be like

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<v Speaker 1>a three year old at the And all I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about is how green the grass is? Not they they overwatered.

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<v Speaker 1>It is probably my tax money in the blood, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just wherever else goes, take mushrooms. That's the answer. Take mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. That's and that's an answer. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny. I've been sitting on this article for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Of all people, Rick Perry, the former governor of Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>has become this big time, forceful advocate for It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>not mushrooms. I think it's eyebill gain one of your

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<v Speaker 2>hallucinogenic drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Joe Rogan's talking about all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to treat PTSD in particular among service people, and

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<v Speaker 2>and and it's really interesting. It's funny because I saw

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<v Speaker 2>the headline the Long Strange trip of Rick Perry, the

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<v Speaker 2>former Texas governor and Trump Energy secretary. Oops Oopsy has

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<v Speaker 2>now dead, dicated his life to promoting the powerful psychedelic

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<v Speaker 2>eyebogain and I thought, wow, that's wacky, that's crazy. Is

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<v Speaker 2>he a lobbyist or whatever? But no, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really really interesting, and he is seriously concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>people because he's had some psychological problems that he never

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<v Speaker 2>talked about, kept it quiet like you do in politics.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's seriously concerned about veterans especially. And I will

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<v Speaker 2>tell you from talking to others who have experimented with

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<v Speaker 2>psychedelic drugs through the years, the way human beings look

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<v Speaker 2>at life and experiences and what we're talking about being

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<v Speaker 2>in the moment. That sort of thing is a long

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<v Speaker 2>set of interconnected assumptions that you never think about anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>They come to you automatically, and then you think the

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<v Speaker 2>only choice is all right, what do I do now?

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<v Speaker 2>Psychedelics can have a way of separating you from all

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<v Speaker 2>of those assumptions that you make every day, and you realize, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what my mind has been doing has

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<v Speaker 2>been a choice. It just doesn't feel like a choice anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's really helped folks with PTSD in that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing, and not just from battle but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>victims of crime and that sort of thing. You can

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<v Speaker 2>step outside of your own experience and think, huh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not a good way to think about that, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>up to me to think about it differently. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Rick Berry's real advocate for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I remember, like a year or so ago.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an addiction too. It can really help with addiction.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some sort of story about like ninety eight percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the thoughts you have are complete waste, like not

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<v Speaker 1>needed at all. There's just random crap.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeez.

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<v Speaker 1>There should be a way to stop that, shouldn't there

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<v Speaker 1>If you were are behind on an oxen with a

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<v Speaker 1>with a metal plow two hundred years ago, did you

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<v Speaker 1>have random useless thoughts or were you too busy toiling?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Are you both? I think you would focus on

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<v Speaker 2>what you were doing, but as long as the ox

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<v Speaker 2>was going straight, you would daydream a lot freking crooked

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<v Speaker 2>ox Jesus, straighten up there, Oxy boy?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you gotta pay to get an ox that

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<v Speaker 1>will walk straight? When I was a kid, oxens walked straight,

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<v Speaker 1>easy oxes. I don't know, Well, I guess that's it.