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Speaker 2: I'm strong. One more thing.

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Speaker 1: That's the name of a John Cougar Mellencamp album, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Is that the name of an album?

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Speaker 1: Nothing matters and what if it did?

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Speaker 2: It is checking? Is that John Mellenhead? I think as

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Speaker 1: But before we get to nothing matters and what if

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Speaker 1: K Junior, our Secretary of Health and something or other

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Speaker 1: and Pete Hegzet the Second Deaf, had a bit of

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Speaker 1: a fitness challenge thing they were doing yesterday to try

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Speaker 1: to get the whole presidential fitness thing off and running

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Speaker 1: and emphasize fitness. Here's a little bit about that.

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Speaker 2: Him, Robert John Jr.

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Speaker 1: You're the secretary, I mean here was secretary exists in

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Speaker 1: the Department of Avez.

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Speaker 3: So we had our big, big big body challenge today.

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Speaker 2: Fifty pull ups, one hundred pushups you can try to

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Speaker 1: How'd you ever got close? Twenty five? You were right

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Speaker 1: Boy, right, yeah, but still he's seventy one.

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Speaker 2: I was wearing gymnasium shuresses and leave the boots. Yes.

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Speaker 1: The problem with setting the standards too high. I feel

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Speaker 3: That everything that you're worried about is going to be

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Speaker 2: and and it's really interesting. It's funny because I saw

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Speaker 2: eyebogain and I thought, wow, that's wacky, that's crazy. Is

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Speaker 2: But he's seriously concerned about veterans especially. And I will

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Speaker 2: in the moment. That sort of thing is a long

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Speaker 2: Psychedelics can have a way of separating you from all

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Speaker 2: And it's really helped folks with PTSD in that sort

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Speaker 2: step outside of your own experience and think, huh, that's

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Speaker 2: not a good way to think about that, and it's

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Speaker 2: up to me to think about it differently. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: Rick Berry's real advocate for that.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I remember, like a year or so ago.

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Speaker 2: There's an addiction too. It can really help with addiction.

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Speaker 1: There's some sort of story about like ninety eight percent

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Speaker 1: of the thoughts you have are complete waste, like not

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Speaker 2: Jeez.

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Speaker 1: There should be a way to stop that, shouldn't there

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Speaker 1: If you were are behind on an oxen with a

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Speaker 2: Well? Are you both? I think you would focus on

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Speaker 2: what you were doing, but as long as the ox

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Speaker 2: was going straight, you would daydream a lot freking crooked

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Speaker 2: ox Jesus, straighten up there, Oxy boy?

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Speaker 1: What do you gotta pay to get an ox that

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Speaker 1: will walk straight? When I was a kid, oxens walked straight,

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Speaker 1: easy oxes. I don't know, Well, I guess that's it.