1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: On this episode of newts World. Title forty two expired 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: on May eleventh, twenty twenty three. The Trump administration began 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: the policy in March twenty twenty at the beginning of 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: the pandemic. The policy allowed US officials to turn away 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: migrants who came to the US Mexican border on the 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: grounds of preventing the spread of COVID nineteen. Before that, 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: migrants could cross illegally, ask for asylum, and be allowed 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: into the US. They were then screened and often released 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: into the US to weigh out their immigration cases. Under 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Title forty two, migrants were returned over the border and 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: denied the right to seek asylum. With the end of 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: Title forty two, many are concerned about what will happen 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: with the volume of people entering the US along the 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: southern border. My guests recently sent a letter to President 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: Biden requesting a state of emergency in Uma, Arizona due 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: to the crisis at the southern border. Discuss what is 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: happening in Yama. I'm really pleased to welcome my guest, 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: Mayor Douglas Nichols. Douglas, welcome and thank you for joining 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: me on Newsworld. 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate the time 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: and get to talk to you about this topic. 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: Mayor. I'm curious what is your reaction to the fact 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: that Title forty two is no longer operative. 24 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's kind of one of those situations 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: where we're in and we're not sure what's coming. We 26 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: know where we've been. Just right before Title forty two, 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: we hit a near record number of apprehensions in Yuma 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: in a single day. It was fifteen hundred and fifty. Now, 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: looking at what al Paso has, that pales of comparison. 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: But we're also only one hundred thousand people, where I 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: think Alpasso's about a million people. And then we've seen 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: this letoff, and I think this letoff is deceptive, and 33 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: the secretary is trying to promote it as a win, 34 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: as something that was something great. I actually don't think 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: it has anything to do that except strategicy by our 36 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: cartels that are running a multi billion dollar business. 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: How much of the illegal immigration do you think is 38 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: influenced by the cartels. 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: I think an overwhelming majority, probably ninety ninety five percent 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: of it. Hearing the stories from the people coming through, 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: I've yet to hear a story about somebody who didn't 42 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: engage the cartels, that didn't pay their more DTA or 43 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: their tax coming across. It's every element seems to be 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: engaged in it. 45 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: Like leaving the border be open, we are creating opportunities 46 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: for huge profits for the cartels, some of whom I 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: gather have now moved from drug dealing to human beings. 48 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: Yes, actually they do a very astute job of doing 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: both at the same time, playing one off the other. 50 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: But it's literally tens of millions of dollars a week 51 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: just through the UMA sector. That's a week, so as 52 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: you can imagine all the other sectors, and then what 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 2: that is throughout the year, that's tens of billions of 54 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: dollars a year. So what you really see is a 55 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: very sophisticated crime network in Mexico that is facilitating the 56 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: transport and by leaving our borders open your one hundred 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: percent correct, we're facilitating it. We're also facilitating the abuse, 58 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: the rape, the extortion of all those migrants as they 59 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: come through. If we'd shut it off, those opportunities go 60 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: away for the cartel, and I think that's the big 61 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: human travesty of this whole discussion. 62 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: The National Border Patrol Council, the Union for Border Patrol 63 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: Agents called this crisis quote the worst sustained disaster that 64 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: any border patrol agent active or retired, have ever seen 65 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: at our border. You've been NUMA a long time, long 66 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: before this crisis. Is this literally the worst you've ever seen? 67 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: Oh? One hundred percent, without a doubt. We had a 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: big issue in two thousand and eighteen nineteen. The bulk 69 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: of it was over in three to four months. We're 70 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: now at what two years and four months. 71 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: How did they end up in twenty eighteen and nineteen. 72 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: Why was it over? 73 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: Well, that was the remain in Mexico program, and was 74 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: also with the President of the United States going to 75 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: the president of Mexico and saying, if you don't help 76 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: kurtail this flow by putting troops on protecting your own 77 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: southern border, by being tied on all your visas and such, 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: we're going to cut off your funding from the United States. 79 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: It was really more of a relationship thing that solved 80 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: that issue than it was one particular policy. But you remember, 81 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: the laws are the same today. I mean, the laws 82 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: haven't changed. It's always the policy that changes. And how 83 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: things happen. Project Streamlines another great example. In two thousand 84 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: and six and seven we had some pretty bad activity 85 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: going on. Then Project Streamline said, we're prosecuting everybody to 86 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: the fullest extent of the law. Everyone saw jail time, 87 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: they were prohibited from applying for any sort of asylum 88 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: for five years. That cut the flow pretty quick. 89 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: So it is controllable if we want to control. 90 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: I believe it is because we've seen it done in 91 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: previous administrations and under the exact same laws that are 92 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: on the book. Congress has not passed a single immigration 93 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: law in decades, and so this is all about policy 94 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: and the willingness of an administration to do something. 95 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: Is all This focus on Title forty two misleading. 96 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: It's a little bit misleading. It's one of those things 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: that it's the fear of the unknown. Right, We've been 98 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: under Title forty two the whole time President Biden has 99 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: been in office, and so we have the intel of 100 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: the stories of six hundred thousand people amassing along the 101 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: southern border on the other side and the Dairy End 102 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: gap really seeing an incredible amount of traffic. But at 103 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: the end of the day, this is a business and 104 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: the way I look at it is the cartels are saying, yeah, 105 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: we're going to use Title forty two to help push 106 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: a bunch of people through, which they did, so we're 107 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: going to create this big buzz, and then as title 108 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,239 Speaker 2: forty two sunsets, we're going to lessen the flow through 109 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: to about six hundred a day, for instance in Yuma. 110 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: But that's still twenty to thirty times more than what 111 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: we would normally see. So it's not normal. It's just 112 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: kind of moving the expectation that it's not four thousand 113 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: a day. Oh that's great, but it's not normal. 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: Is this the cartels actually playing us? 115 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 2: I believe one hundred percent that they're playing us. When 116 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: you have a multi billion dollar business, you're not doing 117 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: this out of the backseat of a car or you know. 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: These are not just thugs walking around the street just 119 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: bullying people. These people know what they're doing. They've been 120 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: doing it for decades. We see it in small bits. 121 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: When they want to get drugs through. They'll manage the 122 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: flow along the border so it pulls resources away from 123 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: where they want to pull the drugs. We see this 124 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: time and time again. That's not a sign of a 125 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: company or an organization that doesn't know what it's doing, 126 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: it fully knows how to operate and keep the attention 127 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: where they need it. 128 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: If the cartels are this successful and we're making this 129 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: much money, to what extent do you think they've actually 130 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: penetrated the US itself. 131 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: That's a really good question, and I struggle with understanding that. 132 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. To be frank, I guess I'm an 133 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: optimist and I love my country, and I hate to 134 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: think anyone would be influenced from that perspective. But as 135 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: in any big corporation or any big effort, there's definitely 136 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: going to be unintended consequences, and there's going to be influences. 137 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: Probably my guess is probably not direct, but somehow they 138 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: end up influencing people on this side of the boarder. 139 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: I've always wondered to what degree the drug selling network 140 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: that they operate isn't also, in a sense, a potential 141 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: for their involvement in the US. That is, if we 142 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: were truly to declare war in the cartel, to what 143 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: extent would they declare a war back? 144 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: I think it would be full on. There's a bit 145 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: of mix between some of the cartel members, the equipment 146 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: they use has a strange government appeel to it. It's 147 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: not what you pick up at your local gun store 148 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. So I believe that's part 149 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: of the reason why it doesn't get solved because of 150 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: the amount of money that it flows through Mexico. 151 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: Particularly, there's a sense that Mexico is in danger, particularly 152 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: with the current president, of becoming sort of a narco state. 153 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: That is correct, He's nationalized the police force. 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How much had things gotten 179 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: worse since January of twenty two? 180 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: If I can remember back that far, I think the 181 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: average crossing at that time was probably about five to 182 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: six hundred people a day. It had then increased to 183 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: an average of about one thousand people a day by 184 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: a year later, and then it dropped off just right 185 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: after the first of this year. So we've seen some 186 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: pretty high significant number increases. And then just this last 187 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: week we had street releases, we had two days of 188 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 2: which Bordertrol was overcapacity and our nonprofit that's been handling 189 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: all the releases is overcapacity and so they had to 190 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: release and see about two hundred and eighty three hundred 191 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: and fifty people to the streets. So that's definitely a 192 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: different thing. Well, we haven't seen any street release since 193 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: the beginning of this in twenty twenty one, and i'd 194 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: say March of twenty twenty one, so that's a big concern. 195 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: We're now into a situation where the numbers seem to 196 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: be again back under some sort of manageable chaos, but 197 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 2: we're only two days away from having street releases again. 198 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: Street releases do you mean just literally they open the 199 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: door and people just walk out. 200 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 2: See. Essentially, border troll processes them and then gives them 201 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: some either parole paperwork or release upon their own recognizance paperwork, 202 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: and there's no nonprofit to receive them. They just drop 203 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: them off in in a location where they think they 204 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: could get some services, because the border troll station here 205 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: is kind of remote. It's in the city, but it's 206 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: not near any services. But that's essentially what they do. 207 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: So then do they catch a bus or do they 208 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: stay in EMA or what happens? 209 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: A lot of them catch a buss or a plane. 210 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: The real issue is the transportation options out of Yuma 211 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: aren't great. So if you get to start getting a 212 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: lot of numbers, you end up with people that are 213 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: hanging around. None of them want to stay here, but 214 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: if they can't get transportation out and they don't have resources, 215 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: they're going to end up kind of adding to the 216 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: homeless scenario. And as people trying to provide for themselves, 217 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: you know, that can end up in some bad situations. 218 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: What percent of your home lists do you think are 219 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,119 Speaker 1: illegal immigrants? 220 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: It's a really good question. I don't know that we've 221 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: ever looked at that. I don't think any of them 222 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: are truly at this point newly crossed. They might have 223 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: been here for a while if they're still out in 224 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: the homeless population, But the majority of those that cross 225 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: now they don't want to stay here. They've got a 226 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: destination to be at, so they're heading to that. 227 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: On May eleventh, you wrote a letter to the Biden 228 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: administration urging the administration to declare a national emergency on 229 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: the border. What led you to decide to write the letter? 230 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: It was two words I'm done is kind of my response. 231 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm done. I don't know what else to do. 232 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: And I knew that a lot of the things I 233 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 2: was asking for we're going to be more facilitated or 234 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: easily facilitated through a declaration of national emergence, and so 235 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, cutten too the quick and just say 236 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: this is what we need and there isn't any reason 237 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: why you shouldn't do it. That was kind of the thing, 238 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: just kind of bring it to the front attention of 239 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: the discussion. 240 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: It's pretty shocking in your letter that you say in 241 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, the YUMAS sector ranked highest and apprehension 242 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: for any US border patrol sector, as well as second 243 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: in violence towards border patrol agents, and we experienced seventy 244 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: deaths of migrants that year, the highest in the history 245 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: of the sector. I mean, that's a pretty sobering number. 246 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 2: It's very sobering. Our agents are our neighbors, they're our friends. 247 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: There are family members, we go to church with them, 248 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: we see them at the third just people like you 249 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 2: and I and to know that they're being attacked for 250 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: doing what their job is and the administration doesn't seem 251 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: to care about that. That's crazy. But then just to 252 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: have people die seventy people die from exposure. I can't 253 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 2: imagine that kind of death. But we not be facilitating 254 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: that kind of risk to people. And with this current approach, 255 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: we are facilitating people being abandoned in essentially what happens 256 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: most of the time if people are abandoned in the desert, 257 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: or they're given a path to travel through the desert 258 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: that isn't sustainable to achieve before you run out of water, 259 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: and then people die and you can find them in groups. 260 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: We found them in groups as large as seventeen people 261 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: at one time. 262 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: Well seventeen people were dead. 263 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: It's been a couple of years. But the cartels treat 264 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: people as a commodity. They're just like the drugs they 265 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: push is something to earn them money. They don't care 266 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: about the drug, they don't care about the people. They're 267 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: there to earn money. So if it's not going to 268 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: be a financial advantage to them, they just cut them 269 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 2: free and whatever happens happens to them. 270 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: I noticed that Yuma is not the only city that 271 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: declared states of emergency. Brownsville, Texas they ssued a disaster declation. Laredo, 272 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: Texas declared a state of emergency, the Passo, Texas mayor 273 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: declared a state of emergency, and I know because we 274 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: did a podcast well they help pass so that they've 275 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: moved dramatically towards seeing this is a huge problem, which 276 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: they weren't sure a year ago, but apparently now they 277 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: really are beginning to be worried by the scale of it. 278 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: So I declared in twenty one, and then Yuma County 279 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: and the cities in Yuma County they declared just this 280 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: last December, when the states had a declaration from about 281 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: a year and a half. Even with change of administration 282 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: in our governor's office and they've change of party, they've 283 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: maintained that declaration of state emergency. So I think that's 284 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: a very overwhelming sense that there's a need and that 285 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: the administration is just deliberately ignoring. 286 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: From your perspective, do you draw a sharp distinction in 287 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: your own mind between people who are here legally and 288 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: are following the rules and people who are coming across illegally. 289 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, that is a sharp, bright, thick line. 290 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: My father in law immigrated at age eighteen, so it's 291 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: very real to me, it's very real to my family 292 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: and to most of the human community. Sixty five percent 293 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: of our community is Hispanic and of those, a very 294 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: large and I don't have the number, but a very 295 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: large number can relate to those that emigrated legally in 296 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: the last two or three generations. 297 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: How vital is legal immigration to your agricultural industry. 298 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: It is critical. If legal immigration went away, we would 299 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: have the winter harvest would better be all automated because 300 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: there just isn't a workforce, an American workforce that's growing, 301 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: that's going into that field. It's actually diminishing and it's 302 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: getting older year after year. But if we have about 303 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: half of the workforce is foreign labor, you can't harvest 304 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: all the thousands of acres have lettuce that we have 305 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: during the winter without that full workforce. 306 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: Is let us your primary crop leafy green. 307 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: So the statistic is that ninety percent of the leafy 308 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: greens that United States and Canada consumes during the winter 309 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: months comes through yuma. 310 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: That's wild. 311 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: We feed the world least the continent, and we grow 312 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: all year round, So we grow lettuce in the winter, 313 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: melons in the summer, corn wheat, All those staples that 314 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: you see in the grocery store that you consume every 315 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: day without thinking about it, that comes from here. 316 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: I had no idea you were that big a producer. 317 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: Somehow was brainwashing to believing it was all of the 318 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: Central Valley of California. 319 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do a good job of making you believe that. 320 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: But that's the summer side. So there are our sister 321 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: community in the summer side. 322 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: And this has always been one of the challenges in 323 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: that having legal temporary workers and agricultural areas is really 324 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: vital to the production system. 325 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: Yes, and there needs to be reform in that area too. 326 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 2: And when we talk about every time we bring up immigration, 327 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: we're talking about illegal immigration. The farmers and the industries 328 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 2: that rely upon the foreign worker programs suffer or because 329 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: we don't ever get to address those reforms. For instance, 330 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: H two A workers need to be provided housing, which 331 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: makes sense in Nebraska or Kansas, but when most of 332 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: our H too A workers actually live just south of 333 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: the border and they want to go home each night 334 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: to their family and have a good quality of life, 335 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: the farmers here still have to provide housing. Well, that's 336 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: a waste and it has to be set aside. It's 337 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: not like we could use it to solve the homeless 338 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: issue or anything else. It has to be set aside. 339 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: So it's a real waste of the program. 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From the standpoint of 369 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: particularly a legal immigration, what has the impact been on 370 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: your healthcare system? 371 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: So last year we had a very dramatic impact and 372 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: the surge that was coming through seemed to have a 373 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: large and overwhelming number of pregnant women, people with medical conditions, 374 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 2: and some of them weren't even going through the border 375 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: patrol station. They were just coming straight from the border 376 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 2: to have their babies and all that. Well, today, United States, 377 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: you're going to have a baby. You're twenty four hours 378 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: unless there's something wrong you're out well, when you don't 379 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 2: have any prenatal care, you're coming through a very difficult journey. 380 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 2: The baby's going to be probably underway. It creates a 381 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: larger medical need than what we experience as Americans. So 382 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: that consumes a larger part of the capacity in our hospital. 383 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 2: We have one hospital here. It's a large hospital, but 384 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 2: it's just the one provider, and so that ended up 385 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 2: pushing out the scheduled deliveries, the c sections, those kind 386 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: of things. Some people ended up going to other communities 387 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: because they couldn't get the time they wanted here. But 388 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the hospital here was 389 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 2: twenty six million dollars in care that they could not 390 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: get reimbursed by the federal government. Then they're out those 391 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: dollars right now. 392 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: Was that twenty six million for illegal immigrants or was 393 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: that just in general? 394 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: No, that was just for migrant care, just illegal immigrant 395 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 2: care when they come through. 396 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: If the federal government fails to patrol the border and 397 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: you end up with a twenty six million dollar health bill, 398 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: there ought to be some way you could sue the 399 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: government to pay for the problem it caused. 400 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 2: You would think that would be the case. I would 401 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: one hundred percent agree, and I think the hospital's perspective 402 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: is that and they're going to do what they got 403 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: to do to help people. That's their job. They're not 404 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: going to turn people away because the federal government is 405 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 2: not going to pay them, but it's going to impact 406 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: their bottom line the services they can provide those kind 407 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: of things. I don't see any reason why it cannot 408 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: be reimbursed, which is again, if you had a national 409 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: declaration of emergency, you can have that discussion a whole 410 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: lot easier. 411 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: If President Biden got your letter and then listen to 412 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: our podcast. Let's say announced a state of emergency. How 413 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: would that change things and what would you hope that 414 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: that would lead to. 415 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: I think right off, it needs to provide the responses 416 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: that we normally would see from an emergency. That means 417 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: boots on the ground, people handling the situation, transportation provided 418 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: to those that need it, so that it's not born 419 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: upon the local communities or nonprofits. That would be the 420 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: very first thing that makes sense to me is when 421 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: a hurricane comes, they prepared to go into the area 422 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: and help, right and they might have partners that are nonprofits, 423 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 2: but FEMA's out front leading the charge providing the tents 424 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 2: and all the other fun stuff. So that would be 425 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: the bottom line. But then you need to talk about 426 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 2: reimbursing things like the hospital or whoever's occurred expenses that 427 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: are definitely tied to the situation at hand, and they 428 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 2: might not fit the regular process of applying for a 429 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: grant from FEMA, but they're definitely undeniably tied to the 430 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 2: situation at hand. So those are the things that ris 431 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: right off the bat. It changes the discussion. I'll tell 432 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: you a little bit of insight I've had in the 433 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 2: last two years talking to the administration and talking to 434 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: the Secretary's office is as soon as they're done processing people, 435 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: they believe the cities own the situation, that it is 436 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: now the responsibility of the cities with their nonprofits to 437 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: address the humanitarian issues. That's a problem because they've created 438 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: the issue, they're facilitating the issue, and then just to 439 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: dump it off on the cities. That's a philosophical difference 440 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: that isn't right. And so I very much us that 441 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: this is a federal issue. The cities are here to 442 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 2: assist as we can, but it needs to be led 443 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: and it needs to be held at the federal level. 444 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand that reasoning, because it seems 445 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: to me that this is entirely caused by the federal 446 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: government failing to do its job. There's no provision in 447 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: the Constitution that cities have a responsibility for people who 448 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: aren't technically even supposed to be here one hundred percent. 449 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: You don't even need to come to the border, although 450 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: I think it's eye opening, and if you ever want 451 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: to come to you, I'll be happy to show you around. 452 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: But all you do is look at numbers. Two million 453 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: people over a year is by far higher than anything 454 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: we've ever seen. Three hundred and thirty or three hundred 455 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: and ten thousand through the Huma area. That's three times 456 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: the size of my city. How do these numbers just 457 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: don't jump off the page and say, yeah, we got 458 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: to do something out of the ordinary here. 459 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: Why do you think they don't see this as a crisis. 460 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: This is a really tough question to figure out, but 461 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: I think it really has to do with having to 462 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 2: admit that there's something not working their way they think 463 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: it should work, and I think that's evidence by the 464 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 2: lack of trips to the border. I know sometimes those 465 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: are just camera shots or whatever. But we just had 466 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: the Governor Montana in and he was blown away. He 467 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: had no idea. You have to kind of come and 468 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: see humanity at this level and what we're dealing with 469 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: day to day to understand it and why those numbers. 470 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: It makes those numbers have more life, more relevancy to 471 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 2: why things are important. 472 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: Bio administration has announced that they're going to send troops 473 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: to the border. I mean, do you see any evidence 474 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: of this actually making a. 475 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 2: Difference actually what they're sending them for. No, because our 476 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: local border patrol station has already filled all those positions 477 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: with non border patrol agents. It's logistics work, it's observations 478 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: because they're being sent here under Title ten. If they 479 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: were to send them here under Title thirty two, where 480 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: they're in more of a military role, they could then 481 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: directly support border patrol. And so when bordertrols out and 482 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 2: there's two hundred people that have come on across the border, 483 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: it doesn't take a contingent of thirty border patrol agents. 484 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 2: It might take a contingent of five with thirty National 485 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: guardsmen our army, and so they're able to do more 486 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: crowd control and direct engagement with migrants. That's where you 487 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: would have an impact. But the current plan, it's a 488 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: good number, but it's not going to be effective, at 489 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: least not here. 490 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: It's almost like they design it to fail. 491 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 2: Design it to fail, or they're just completely ignorant about 492 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 2: what the situation is on the border. I mean, if 493 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: you don't understand the process and you're not talking to 494 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: the people who truly need to help, you're going to 495 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 2: come up with solutions that don't make sense, that aren't relevant. 496 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: I want to thank you. You were a great guest 497 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: a little over a year and a half ago. You're 498 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: a great guest again. I can't imagine what your every 499 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: day is like as you go around the city they're 500 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: the mayor of and try to figure out how to 501 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: solve all these things. And I really appreciate your courage 502 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: and your yourrectness in writing the letter to the president. 503 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: I think it was a very important point in creating 504 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: the right dialogue and the right conversation, and I hope 505 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: people in Washington are responsive. 506 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really appreciate being on your show. 507 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 2: I've always admired you in your time in office and 508 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: ever since then. And yeah, we're making time for NEWT. 509 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest mayor, Douglas Nichols. You can 510 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: learn more about the border crisis and you Arizona and 511 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: all along the Southern border on our show page at 512 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: newtsworld dot com. Newsworld is produced by Gingrish three sixty 513 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: and iHeartMedia. Our executive producer is Guarnsey Sloan and our 514 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: researcher is Rachel Peterson. Our work for the show was 515 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: created by Steve Penley. 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