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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the solid Robo boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: name is ty Hilda Brand. That fun gentleman over there

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Speaker 1: is Dan Rubinstein, Sir. Two Q and A episodes in

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Speaker 1: one friggin week. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, ty I am very very good. It's cold,

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Speaker 2: but I went for a cold walk this morning. I'm

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Speaker 2: So maybe that is, you know, poortending a good show today.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a nice sign there. I've been

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Speaker 2: trying to detox a little bit, Tye. The week got

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Speaker 2: away from me last week, same eating, same same woo.

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Speaker 2: You've got mailed on the Solid Verbal as often as

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Speaker 2: we can Dan, and twice this week.

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Speaker 1: Where was your where was your your your your breath,

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Speaker 1: your whole homage slipping here.

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Speaker 2: I know. Look, I'm in my mid to late thirties.

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Speaker 1: Tie, it's more very late thirties. Let's be real, it's.

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Speaker 2: More very late thirties, Tie, and I'm approaching your generation,

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Speaker 2: which is tough for me. I have to make peace

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Dan on Patreon ever the awesome question asker, yes,

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Speaker 1: has the pendulum swung too far the other way? On

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Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney. While I disagree with his somewhat hypocritical takes, hypocrite, hypocritical,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, I.

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Speaker 2: Think with Dabbo, it's a matter of personal taste, right,

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Speaker 2: He's done an incredible job at a place where not

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Speaker 2: so his bona fides are nearly unmatched, right. I think

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Speaker 2: what it comes down to is people find him to

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Speaker 2: and he's just like poor little Clems, just little old us,

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Speaker 2: and they find it to be an act. Right, That's

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Speaker 2: how I perceive it. That's how I perceive the Dablosweeney experience,

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Speaker 2: that it's an act where behind closed doors, I'm positive

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Speaker 2: he's everything that it takes to be a coach on

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Speaker 2: that level, and he is very clearly, for lack of

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Speaker 2: it's so sort of so obviously a charade out public facing,

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Speaker 2: and I can certainly respect on a certain level. He

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Speaker 2: is very you know, he likes hiring internally, and he likes,

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Speaker 2: Clemson to the playoff the year before. But that's neither

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Speaker 2: here nor there. He's a college football coach, and so

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Speaker 2: we should hold him to the standard of a college

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Speaker 2: football coach. He is not a public figure representing a

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Speaker 2: state or a country or a county like this is

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Speaker 2: not the most important job in the world, but it's

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Speaker 2: just human nature. Everybody's not going to be for everybody,

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Speaker 2: and you have to respect what he's done with Clemson

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Speaker 2: Guess what, Ty, when people tune into this show for

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Speaker 2: you And that's okay. Everybody's not for everybody. And I

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Speaker 2: just think there is something like if you compare Dabbo

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Speaker 2: he's the upper tier of everything, whereas Dabbo's like, well,

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Speaker 2: we're just doing what we can't over here.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get back.

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Speaker 2: And I think that if I had to guess, if

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Speaker 1: Do you do you remember Dave Stewart, the old Blue

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Speaker 1: of made him feel less intimidating. Obviously, not while he's

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Speaker 1: an early lesson for me that you have to separate

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Speaker 1: comes to sports. I don't think Dabo Sweeney is exempt

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Speaker 1: from that rule, right, Dabo Sweeney. I just looked it

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Speaker 1: up as you were speaking. There twelve straight seasons where

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Speaker 1: due to a Bowl victory. However, twelve straight seasons double

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Speaker 1: digit wins is almost impossible. In this era of college football.

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Speaker 1: incredible things at Clemson. I tend to separate that, or

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Speaker 1: Dabo that I think we all at times find a

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Speaker 2: God name, image and likeness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean there are bits and pieces that,

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Speaker 1: happened over the last season and a half. Right, Bear

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Speaker 1: in mind, he lost Tony Elliott, he lost Brent Vnables

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Speaker 2: Three years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean he that coaching staff took some water,

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Speaker 1: took on some water, and his hiring was to kind

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Speaker 1: And we were both I think very skeptical of what

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Speaker 1: side of the twenty twenty two season, sure we could

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Speaker 1: sit here and say they fell short of expectations on

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Speaker 1: I was very curious to see what he would do

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Speaker 1: this offseason, what he would do this offseason, and the

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Speaker 1: move to go out and get Garrett Riley to get

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Speaker 1: rid of Brandon Streeter because they didn't feel like that

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Speaker 2: Sure, well, it's also just the nature of the industry.

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Speaker 1: It's the nature of the industry. But I didn't know

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Speaker 1: if Dabo had that in him still, right, and some

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Speaker 1: when he decided you want to revamp the offense. I

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Speaker 1: trying to separate out some of the cheeseball goofiness that

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Speaker 1: we see behind the microphone from what we see when

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Speaker 1: he's out there coaching the team on the field, which

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Speaker 1: has obviously been very successful. And I look for big

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Speaker 1: things from Clemson this year. I really do. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There's also the element in terms of the like not

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Speaker 2: taking transfers thing and hiring internally, where there's this projected

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Speaker 2: message of I know, in this day and age, all

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Speaker 2: these kids are just looking for the next big thing

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Speaker 2: and if it doesn't work out, they just quit and

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Speaker 2: they're on to the next place. But we hear at

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Speaker 1: Fifty dollars every three and out.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the NCAA video game I think will probably

430
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Speaker 1: hit differently. I think everybody is excited about it in

431
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: some regard, like to see it back, but it definitely

432
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: is going to hit differently for many folks who were

433
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: really into it the first time around. So where is

434
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: the video game at for you? Is it's something that

435
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: you think will add enjoyment to you or enjoyment of

436
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: the sport for you?

437
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 2: I wonder if people have aged out of it because

438
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: it's been gone for so long. Yeah, and people are

439
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 2: excited because it's been so long without the game, But

440
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: I also I wonder what could they add technologically engine

441
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: wise in the whatever eight nine years since it's been

442
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: gone to make people say, well, I have to get

443
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: this just because it always used to get better every year,

444
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: and maybe it still will. But I also wonder if

445
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: a chunk of people, and I include myself in this,

446
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: and I speak for myself in this, like, have I

447
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: partially aged out of having the time to play a

448
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: college football video game? A lot? Probably, probably, And so

449
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to get the game. I just don't

450
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 2: know how often I'm actually going to play the game, right,

451
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: And so that to me is interesting that a lot

452
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: of us of a certain age in you know whatever,

453
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: late twenties, thirties, forties, you know, we're in high school

454
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: and college playing this game, and the game is tied

455
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: to a lot of social memories with our friends playing

456
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 2: this game, and then maybe after school, you know, playing

457
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: in Dynasty modes or playing online and having fun with

458
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: it that way. Again, speaking for myself here, I just wonder,

459
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: because it's hasn't been a habit in the way that

460
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: it used to, getting the new version of the game

461
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: every year and seeing the updates and uniforms and whatever,

462
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 2: that I think there's excitement that it will exist. I

463
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: just don't know how much realistic excitement over continued playing.

464
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: I have, and so that's that's an interesting I don't

465
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: know how I'm gonna feel once it comes out, but

466
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: that's that's what's on my mind.

467
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Speaker 1: I think we're in we're in agreement that having the

468
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: game is better than not having the game. Sure, So

469
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: from that standpoint, it's good for college football's it's great exposure.

470
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: It's a good way to get a new segment of

471
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Speaker 1: the population interested in college football, which is ultimately a

472
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: good thing not just for you and I but for

473
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Speaker 1: the sport. Right.

474
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Speaker 2: So, but you used to play Madden? Do you still

475
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Speaker 2: play Madden?

476
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't, And Maggie brought that up because here, here's

477
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: where I'm going to go with this, that not only

478
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: has the game been gone for a decade, but the

479
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: games that have been made over the last decade, especially Madden,

480
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: has also changed a great deal lot more with it.

481
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: It's a lot more complicated than it used to be.

482
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: And I still play my PS five. I still go

483
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: into a new football season every year wanting to play Madden. Yeah,

484
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: and wanting to get good at it. And at least

485
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: two of the last three years I've downloaded it and

486
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: have started playing it. And what always hits me in

487
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: the face. Is this is a serious time commitment. Yeah,

488
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: it is a serious time commitment in a way the

489
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: old NCAA video game was not. You could waste a

490
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: lot of time. I did waste a lot of time

491
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: in lieu of classes playing that the old NCAA Where's

492
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: the Game fourteen video game which is somewhere behind me

493
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: here in the backdrop right right. I spent a lot

494
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Speaker 1: of time playing that thing.

495
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Speaker 2: And do you know any Madden players, people who are

496
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: still like, not even serious, just like consistently casual Madden.

497
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: Play, guys with kids whose kids now play it.

498
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: But but okay that are old enough to play like

499
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: themselves play not a whole lot, Okay, not a whole lot.

500
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: And my fear is that if they're gonna make the

501
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: college football video game in the same vein as Madden,

502
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: which they used to always do, if it's gonna be

503
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: so complicated, you're gonna have a whole swath of the

504
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: college football loving public that is gonna get their PS

505
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: five or whatever and they're gonna get this game and

506
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: they're gonna sidle up next to their TV to play it,

507
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be like, well, what the hell is this? Yes, yeah,

508
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: what what the hell is this? It's a full time

509
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: mad right now is like a full time job. It's

510
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: like a full time job if you really want to

511
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: get good and build your team up, and it's like

512
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: a full time job.

513
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: And have you ever watched any of those Madden videos,

514
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: those like pro Madden players.

515
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: It's impossible because they hot route everything. Everything's inaudible. They've

516
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: found a way to kind of game every play to

517
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: get maximum pressure on the quarterback. There's no way without

518
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: a note card you could remember all the instructions before

519
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: you snap the ball. Maybe I'm showing my age here.

520
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: I'm not even talking about gameplay. Tie. There's something that

521
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: they all have in common, and it's that they're all

522
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: like between nineteen and twenty four, right.

523
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, smash the like button to follow me

524
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Like right, All the videos are the same.

525
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: And I just found that the game is so complex

526
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: now that for as much as I want to play

527
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: it and want to be into it, I fear that

528
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: if they do the same thing with the college football

529
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: video game, it's going to have a negative effect. So

530
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what they do and I will

531
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: get it too. We will play it. I'm sure it'll

532
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: be part of what we do in in some way,

533
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: shape or form. It has to be, right. But man,

534
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: I am a little bit worried about what happens when

535
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: that hits and how people of our generation this previous

536
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: version receip.

537
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: I'm legit excited for college kids to have oh yeah,

538
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: NCAA or whatever they're calling college football twenty five twenty

539
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: four in their lives, because it should be a great

540
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: experience for people in college and in their twenties, teenagers, whatever.

541
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: Or I'm just worried that, you know, people with mortgage,

542
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: people with kids, people with dogs, people that just are

543
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: in their basement's podcast heyo, might not necessarily have the

544
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: time they once did to devote to the greatness that

545
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: can be playing that game. We'll see, maybe. See the

546
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: thing is, you and I should just make it part

547
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: of our jobs, right, we should just play it during

548
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: the day and stream it against each other.

549
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: Right, I plan on it. Yeah, yeah, I mean we

550
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: will do something with it. But and maybe I'm wrong.

551
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm wrong about this, people can comment

552
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: and you can chastise me. But it's really complicated. It's

553
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: I love the FIFA video game. I play that one religiously.

554
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: It's the only one I have time for because that's

555
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: a time sink as well. The Madden game is so

556
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: much more complicated, in my opinion, I almost find it

557
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: hard to enjoy.

558
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's how many forty three year olds listening right

559
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: now are saying, I have I had an extra hour

560
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: forty five in my day that I've liked to fill with.

561
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they're a very complicated. Let's move on.

562
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: Let's go to parish parish Walton on Instagram. Which hire

563
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: were you the most wrong about? And whow This is

564
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: a very good question, he calls out in his text

565
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: here Justin fu and te.

566
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's a good example. Yeah.

567
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: At Virginia Tech, I think we are especially prone to

568
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: coaches that we've had on the show before, okay, because

569
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: we root for them, we want him to do well.

570
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: Justin Fuente is actually a great example of that. We

571
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: had him on right after he was hired, and we

572
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: found him, you know, friendly and engaging and great to interview.

573
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: One of the better interviews we've done. He didn't work out.

574
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: It did not go well. So in the entire cast

575
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: of characters here over the last I don't know, let's

576
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: say ten years, Dan m hm, Who are you wrong about?

577
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: Who are the most wrong about?

578
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: I thought Dan Mullen would work at out a lot

579
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: better than he did peaking and then just collapsing right away.

580
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: You know, here's a good example of one. I thought

581
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: Gary Anderson in Oregon State. I thought that was gonna

582
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: be a Goldilock situation for him, Like he outgrew Utah State.

583
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: Maybe Wisconsin was a little bit too big and too

584
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: different than what he wanted in Oregon State, just felt

585
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: like the right fit, and he just careened off a

586
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: cliff there. Of the new hires, relatively new hires, I mean,

587
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: I think we did alright with how we approached last year.

588
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: Last year's hires. You were more down on Brian Kelly

589
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: than I mean. I don't think either one of us

590
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: saw them winning the West. But I wouldn't say you

591
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: were extremely wrong because you were very wide open about

592
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: saying he's a really good coach, so LSU should be

593
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: pretty good with him. I'm trying to think other relative

594
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: like Man Tough I didn't see. Yeah, I'm trying to

595
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: think of a recent guy like I thought Tom Herman

596
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: was going to do a lot better again, a guy

597
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: we had on the show a couple of times, but

598
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: just because of how well he seemed to hire on

599
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: defense at Houston, the number of games, how well he recruited,

600
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: and he recruited incredibly well at Texas, and I think

601
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: that was a combination of just like losing a bunch

602
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: of close games, staying stubborn, a little bit too stubborn

603
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: on offense, and maybe some off field stuff that took

604
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: away that detracted from his ability to succeed there. But

605
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: that's what I was surprised by. I was surprised by

606
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: how far Oklahoma fell this year under Brent Venables. I

607
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: didn't see that coming at all. No, but that's the story.

608
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: Isn't written on Brent Vnables and his tenure at Oklahoma.

609
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: Other guys who I were positive was going to succeed,

610
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: Like I was pretty high on Jeff Collins at Georgia Tech.

611
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: I thought he was approaching that job in the right way.

612
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: I loved starting from such a down place. I loved

613
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: his approach. He was all in on Atlanta. I remember

614
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: talking about on the show.

615
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: We were all in on how he was using Atlanta,

616
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: the city of Atlanta as a marketing tool. Yeah, Atlanta.

617
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: Excuse me, excuse looking really into it, and it just didn't.

618
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: It didn't take.

619
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, other hires that I was positive were going to

620
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: succeed throughout the sport.

621
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not college. I thought I thought urban

622
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: Meyer was going to go better at Jacksonville, and that didn't.

623
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: Well, it couldn't have gone any worse. It couldn't have

624
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: gone any worse.

625
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's one I'm I'm maybe I shouldn't be

626
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: surprised at the Paul Cris thing at Wisconsin, but the

627
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: way that just sort of petered out and felt like

628
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: it was stuck in neutral to an extent.

629
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: But if you thought Paul Chris was going to do

630
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: a good job at Wisconsin when he was hired, you

631
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: were justified in that thought justified way.

632
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just seemed like such a no brainer move

633
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: to bring him back to Wisconsin from Pitt, Right, It

634
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: just seemed like it made so much sense. I thought

635
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: that might take him to the next level. It is

636
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: surely not the one I've been most wrong about over

637
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: the course, but it is a recent one that that

638
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: comes to mind.

639
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: I thought Joe Morehead was going to do better than

640
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: he did a Mississippi State again, past guest on the show. Yeah,

641
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: anybody else in the Big twelve, anybody else in the

642
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: Big ten, anybody else in the SEC. We were like,

643
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: I was, I was positive this dude was going to

644
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: like you were a huge Derek Dooley guy at Tenant.

645
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: I have no idea if you were. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

646
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Speaker 2: it wasn't. I was surprised Brian Harson was as bad

647
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: as he was at Auburn. I didn't. I thought it

648
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: was always going to be a weird fit. But I

649
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: thought to myself, he's been a head coach, He's won

650
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: a bunch of games. He is ascending, He's been a

651
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: coordinator at different places. He's been a head coach at

652
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: different places. This guy, I think, is going to figure

653
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: out how to win games at Auburn. And he didn't.

654
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: He didn't.

655
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 2: He didn't figure out quarterback, he didn't figure out a lot.

656
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: Scott Frost kind of caught me off guard at at

657
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: Nebraska because he had this reputation for being this offensive

658
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: savants and he had done things at UCF and he's

659
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: going back home and it just seems like it seemed

660
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: like the story had written itself.

661
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were seduced.

662
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: I was, and that did not go well. Obviously they're

663
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: going to go in a different direction. Now this is

664
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: a really hard question.

665
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: I thought Chip Kelly was going to have higher highs

666
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 2: at UCLA. I don't think I was completely wrong, because

667
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: they've been They've had top ten offenses. I just didn't

668
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: see because he recruited so well at Oregon for that time.

669
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Speaker 2: He was recruiting top fifteen classes at Oregon, and to

670
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: then have his NFL experience go south like it did

671
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: with the Eagles and forty nine ers come back to

672
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: UCLA in an area that's much easier to recruit. From

673
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 2: southern California, Arizona, Nevada, these are places closer to Texas

674
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: where he recruited well at Oregon. I figured, with the

675
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: allure of UCLA and playing in the rows well even

676
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: if it's empty sometimes and playing in the sunshine, and

677
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: they put a bunch of money into that pro I

678
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: figured that he would recruit top twenty, top twenty five

679
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: type classes UCLA, maybe occasionally top fifteen type classes, especially

680
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Speaker 2: with a down USC at the time. You're talking about

681
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Speaker 2: like the middle and end of the Clay Helton era,

682
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: so there's that vacuum in the city. I was a

683
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: little bit surprised that he hasn't really been able to

684
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Speaker 2: figure out defense, and you know, fires his first defensive

685
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: coordinator as longtime assistant, Jerry Asinaro, And so yeah, that

686
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: caught me off guard that he wasn't able to get

687
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Speaker 2: UCLA to a more complete place consistently.

688
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Speaker 1: Final one here and then we'll go to a different question.

689
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: I feel like I've constantly been wrong about edwar Jeron.

690
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're down, he's up. When you're up, he's down. Yeah,

691
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: on both sides of it.

692
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Speaker 1: You know, obviously had a great season in twenty nineteen,

693
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Speaker 1: a generational season as we'd like to stay here, won

694
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Speaker 1: the national Championship, did good things for a period of

695
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: time at USC before he was replaced, did not go well,

696
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Speaker 1: and the maybe the bitter end for him at LSU.

697
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, I've been both right and wrong about Jimbo.

698
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I was not super excited when Texas

699
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: A and M hired him, just because I'm never super

700
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: enthusiastic when a coach leaves a place on bad terms

701
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: and he's going some like as a like oh golden parachute.

702
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: It never seems to be a great, great place to

703
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: start from, and then they were on the precipice of

704
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 2: the playoff, and then they completely fell off a cliff

705
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 2: and so both right and wrong at the same time.

706
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Speaker 2: But has always been able to recruit. I just have

707
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Speaker 2: never been super keen on situationally, how Jimbo and Texas

708
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 2: A and M found each other?

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, let's let's do a service here to

710
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: the gall who listens from the UK. He writes on Instagram,

711
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: which team should I support from the UK and why?

712
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: And then he adds parenthetically, preferably in the Eastern time

713
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: zone so I can actually watch the games.

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00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Oh college football team, I was gonna recommend Wrexham rexom FC.

715
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah different.

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Speaker 2: Have you watched that show, by the way.

717
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: Not yet. I've heard good saying pretty good.

718
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. I like it.

719
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Speaker 1: I've heard good things. So we've gotten this question a

720
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: lot actually from people who find the show and maybe

721
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: don't have a college football team to call their own.

722
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: And we've had plenty of instances where people pick teams

723
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Speaker 1: each year, all shapes and sizes among college football fandom.

724
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: But if you're Paul, if you're watching from the UK,

725
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: you want a team Eastern time zone, so the games

726
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: are maybe a little bit more consumable for you, about

727
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Speaker 1: five hours be ahead of us in the UK. What

728
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 1: are we kind of focused in on if we're giving

729
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: him a team, like, I'll tell you the first one

730
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: that comes to mind from me is Florida State. Because

731
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: if you are rooting for a team, if you're giving

732
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: somebody a new team root for, I feel like you

733
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: need to give them some like some program that's on

734
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: the rise, maybe some program that has not been there,

735
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: so like giving it given somebody Alabama or even It's

736
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: like you kind of take the fun out of it, right, Georgia.

737
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: George's trying to say, won the national championship nine years ago.

738
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: Nine years ago, though that was a long time ago.

739
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: Florida State has been It's been a long winding road

740
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: to get back to where Florida State's at now. Okay,

741
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: so I think they'll be an exciting team to watch

742
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: in twenty three. You and I are both kind of

743
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: all in on Florida State. That's one that immediately comes

744
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: to mind. What else do you got?

745
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: I don't think we got to. I don't want to

746
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: arrange a marriage for him. I want him to date, Okay,

747
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: I want him to watch around a little bit. I

748
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 2: want that team to find him. It's a gentleman who

749
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: emailed this, right, I don't know this is apologize. Yeah, Paul, Paul,

750
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: like you are the expert dator. You brag about how

751
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: great you were out playing the field, tie like you

752
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: have to sometimes say, I'm going to watch an NC

753
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: State game. I'm gonna see how I feel about Carter Finley.

754
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to see how I feel about Pitt. I'm

755
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: going to see how I feel about South Carolina. I'm

756
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: gonna see how I feel about Florida State. I'm going

757
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: to see how I feel about Georgia Tech in this

758
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: new era. If you want to, you know, jump on someone,

759
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 2: you know, start low, start early. Georgia Tech, the Brent Kiara,

760
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: you can say you were they were there when you're

761
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 2: gonna have some lows in the short term, but it's

762
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 2: going to make the highest feel that much sweeter. So yeah,

763
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: Florida State. You know it's a power school and you'll

764
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: watch your team win a bunch of games, presumably this year,

765
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 2: but I don't know if it's as inspired. So yeah,

766
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: I say take September and do the tie thing and

767
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: really succeed dating around, playing the field, and you'll know,

768
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: you'll know when there's a connection tie and I. I

769
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Speaker 2: don't have a recommendation beyond that because I don't want

770
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: to assign somebody like well, Liam Collins back have fun

771
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: with Kentucky.

772
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: He was going to say Kentucky because U K U K. Sure, right,

773
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of semis, but it could be

774
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Speaker 1: it could be Kentucky. Yeah, could be Kentucky. Devin Leary,

775
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen, There's there's I think a lot to be

776
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: excited about on the Kentucky side. I mentioned Florida State,

777
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: you mentioned Georgia Tech. I think another good answer don't

778
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: watch n C State. Don't don't put yourself through that man. Okay,

779
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't go in that direction, but you know.

780
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, quarterback of the future. They lost their terrible offensive coordinator.

781
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: Things are looking up, ty part of the a lore.

782
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: If you are looking at good things about Raleigh, if

783
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: you're looking at an East Coast team, Yeah, the ACC

784
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: is fun as hell. The ACC he's open, will be

785
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: kind of wide open, so at least you'll have that

786
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: Boston College.

787
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: It's not that fun. It's not that fun to be like,

788
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to get into college football and my fandom

789
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: is going to exist, I'm gonna plant the flag in

790
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts. Don't do that. All apologies to Boston

791
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: College fans. You're probably great, but uh yeah, ACC is

792
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: a good place to start because the results are going

793
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: to be all over the place. So any given week,

794
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: if you're a Virginia Tech fan, hey you might just

795
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: beat Pitt or North Carolina or something. I think that's

796
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: that's a good place to start. But again, date a round,

797
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: see who captures you, see where there's chemistry that you

798
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: tune into a broadcast and you're like, oh, Ramseys is dope.

799
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: I'm into North Carolina. Let's learn more. And then you

800
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: watch their defense and you're like, well, their games are

801
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: going to be fun and shootouts. So that's at least

802
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: capturing my attention. There is that, right, And then like

803
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: you have the allure of like, oh, I'm rooting for

804
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's school. That's kind of cool. So I think

805
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 2: it's just you have to watch games and see where

806
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: there's chemistry.

807
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Speaker 1: Tie, I've got three semi non football questions that we're

808
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Speaker 1: going to close with here.

809
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: Okay, so if you only wanted college football there listening,

810
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: these are college football relate oh semi college sam sam.

811
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Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna save the majority of the remaining questions

812
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Speaker 1: for the Bruine.

813
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Speaker 2: Great Ballers dot Com, yep on for Ballers.

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Speaker 1: Dot Com or Patreon Thursday Morning. All right, we will

815
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Speaker 1: save those for that. But these are three sort of

816
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Speaker 1: straddling the line.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: The first comes to us from Alex on Twitter after

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Speaker 1: seeing other sports all star weekends, how would you guys

820
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: organize it for college football? So we've got kind of

821
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: like the East West Shrine Game. They're a couple all

822
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: star ish senior bowl type events in college football. I

823
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: think they kind of take on a different meaning in

824
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: college because often the guys playing in those postseason all

825
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: star games are trying to improve their draft stock.

826
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Speaker 2: Right.

827
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: It's definitely more meaningful for them than say, the Pro

828
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: Bowl is for guys in the NFL, who, let's be honest,

829
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: we're just trying not to get hurt. I love the old, old,

830
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: old school versions of the skills games that they.

831
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 2: Used to do, like the QB Club in Hawaii. You

832
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: through the moving cardboard receivers.

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Speaker 1: I am for building the entire all star playing in

834
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Speaker 1: college foot out of that because.

835
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Speaker 2: If you actually watch it, though, oh.

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Speaker 1: I would, I would consume it. I would mainline that

837
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: I would consume it like you would not believe. Okay,

838
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: that would be the best thing ever, because so much

839
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: of college football, so much of the lore of college football,

840
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: right Bruce Felman writes the Freaks List every year. It's

841
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: guys who are just crazy athletic, many of whom have

842
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: not been seen on the Division one college level before. Right,

843
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: So those freshmen coming into play definitely have a bit

844
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: of legend preceding them before they ever step foot on

845
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: the field. I would love to find ways to put

846
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: crazy athleticism on display in the form of minigames. I

847
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: don't care about an actual football game. I'm all for

848
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: building the whole thing out of minigames. What other mini

849
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: games are there, well, I mean outside of the quarterback

850
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: side of things, there are like obstacle courses that you

851
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: can put running backs, you can put linebackers through. Uh huh,

852
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: you know. On the same note, with respect to like

853
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: defensive backs, you can put balls and jug guns and

854
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: start them at a spot on the field and see

855
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: if they can get to it. There's all sorts of

856
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: different ways that you could run this thing to turn

857
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: it into a competitive masterpiece, adventure journey. So I'm all

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00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: for more minigames.

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00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do a decathlon. That would be my

860
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: competition in terms of All Stars, just in the way

861
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: that when you go back to older movies that take

862
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: place in college, you're like, all right, we're gonna settle this.

863
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: And the only way that makes sense a fourteen part

864
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: competition that tests academics and physical acuity, and this is

865
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: just you get Jalen Carter on a ten meter platform

866
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: or I don't know, like I would be into like

867
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: the ridiculousness of that. But otherwise, I like the NBA

868
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: and I don't watch the NBA All Star Game. I

869
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: don't watch any of it this week. And maybe again

870
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm just speaking for me here. I like base I

871
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: don't really watch the MLB All Star Game, and I

872
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: remember loving those things. But if you had your.

873
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: Choice between the MLB All Star Game and the Home

874
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: Run Derby, which would you watch?

875
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: If there were a short home run Derby? The Home

876
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: Run Derby it goes on and.

877
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: On, it takes to I agree, it takes too long.

878
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: But if you had a pick between those two, I

879
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: have to believe most people will take the home run

880
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: derby And that's sort of way.

881
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: I think there is something to organizing the competition by conference,

882
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: like there is that, especially in the SEC, that you'd

883
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: get people SEC fans or fans of SEC teams tuning

884
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: in to celebrate the conference's superiority. But then if the

885
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: little old Mountain West took down the SEC, if they're

886
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: in this competition that we're creating, that becomes kind of

887
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: cool and fun.

888
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I like it. I like it. I just

889
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't care about actually watching a game, Alex. That's

890
00:46:59,600 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 1: my answer.

891
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to think of? What other like completely

892
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: not related to football events like arm wrestling, tug of war,

893
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: tug of war, absolutely, darts?

894
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: Can we do a three legged race?

895
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: Sure? Egg toss? Yeah, yeah, that's what I would do.

896
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: How about that dizzy bat? Yeah? I have no Like,

897
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: what are we going to do at this point? You're

898
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: gonna make them play a completely useless football game. So

899
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: we have the what was the name of the Patriots

900
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: running back way back when who Robert Edward his knee? Yeah?

901
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: Playing beach football? No, not that, just playing like fun

902
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: weird stuff.

903
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: Play picnic games, play horseshoes, play corn hole, that sort

904
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Speaker 1: of thing.

905
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: I played. What was the board? I think I played

906
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: a series of board games with Aaron Murray as he

907
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: was preparing for the draft at my old gig. Yeah,

908
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: you came to the video studio, and in retrospect, a

909
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: quarterback's ability to have calm hands while playing operation might

910
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: actually be indicative future success or lack thereof, because you

911
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: want somebody precise, detail oriented who stays calm under pressure.

912
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: Was he not good at it? I think I beat him. Yeah,

913
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Speaker 2: I can go back and look, but I think I

914
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Speaker 2: beat him at operation.

915
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Speaker 1: Let's go to zay Fabe on Instagram, quick one. Are

916
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: fog machines used enough in college football home team entrances?

917
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: Are you a fog machine guy?

918
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: I'm Neutsche, I'm new, I'm fog machine neutral. I've been

919
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: on the field for Enter Sandman, and I thought it

920
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: was like I love in terms of teams coming out

921
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: like obviously I'm gonna love the Oregon and the duck

922
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: riding out on the Harley. I love somebody shooting out

923
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: of the tunnel in a creative way. I don't need

924
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: the fog necessarily, But you give me a song. You

925
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: give me a possibly very dangerous buffalo named Ralphie. You

926
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: give me somebody on horseback who is coming out to

927
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: plant a spear of some kind on the field, or

928
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: plant a flag, or I want somebody leading the team

929
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: out in a creative way. Be it animal, be it human,

930
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: be it somewhere in between. That's what I'm into, so pyrotechnic. Sure,

931
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: these are all complementary, but to me, the essence of

932
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: college football and college football introductions is something unique because

933
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: everybody could have a fog machine, but it makes no

934
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: sense for Wisconsin to have a buffalo runout. That said,

935
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Speaker 2: if everybody started using buffaloes to bring out their team,

936
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that. That's a new thing in

937
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: the sport. But no, the fog machine is just to

938
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: me an accessory. I like Michigan running out and slapping

939
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: like the m club supports you kind of thing. That's cool,

940
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: But no, I did fog machine just seems kind of

941
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: generic to me.

942
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: Has anybody gone full NHL during their night games, like

943
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 1: where they way they kill the lights and then there's

944
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: like a laser light show that projects them. Yeah, well,

945
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: because they have the LED lights. Now you can kill

946
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: the lights, like haven't you You've seen all these games

947
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: like Alabama has LEDs. So somebody scores a touchdown, they

948
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: do the flair, the giant bellowing of the elephant, the

949
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: lights go out and then flicker, and so yeah, I

950
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: think that capability which more and more schools are doing

951
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: the LED thing.

952
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there can be a light element to it.

953
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: I want the laser lights on the field, on the

954
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: field as guys are running out of the tunnel. That's

955
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: what I want as the next frontier.

956
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: I want more tortillas thrown oh lights tech, not necessarily

957
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: people stealing the tortilla thing. I want more projectiles that

958
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: pose no physical risk to anybody on the field. Yeah,

959
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: and I know what the Red Wings used to do,

960
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: the squid thing in hockey. I don't know if they

961
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 2: still do. I'm not a hockey fan, but that's what

962
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: I want. I want more problematic projectiles that pose no

963
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: physical threat to the people on the field.

964
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm indifferent on fuck machines, I'm different. I'm indifferent on

965
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: that final question, Dan, And this is gear more towards

966
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: you than it is me. Okay, but I have to

967
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: ask it Colonel Egg nineteen seventy eight on Instagram. Describe

968
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: your favorite teams as pizzas, toppings, dough, crust sauce, et cetera.

969
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: What would organ be dan.

970
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: An Oregon pizza? Um, I guess it would have to

971
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 2: be something considered to be a little bit newer and flashier.

972
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 2: So maybe something with the like spicy honey. Okay, that's

973
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 2: a new thing. A little bit of sweetness, a little

974
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: bit of zing so yeah, like a pepperoni or soapro

975
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: soda and hot honey. Yeah, gives you different different flavors.

976
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, I think would be very traditional.

977
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be a tombstone.

978
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: It'd be extreme about tombstone.

979
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's sitting around in the freezer.

980
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: Not a sponsor could be. It's still good pizza to no, no, no,

981
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: no no, I'm just talking to Notre Dame pizza. It's

982
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: still good pizza. It'll taste good, but it's just it's

983
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: a plain pie. It's nothing extravagant. It's it's very conservative.

984
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, little gold flakes on top that don't add much

985
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: flavor but are nice to look at.

986
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: More of a garnish.

987
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a garnish. Yeah, well, I mean, look, if

988
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna actually take the serious, so you could have

989
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: very thinly sliced potatoes to honor the Irish roots on

990
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: top of the pie. Here for Notre Dame, people put

991
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: potatoes on pizza. You can if you can get like

992
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: Mandolin Thinness. Yeah, yeah, you can put potatoes on pizza

993
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 2: for sure.

994
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: Ty.

995
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: I've seen people use mashed potatoes as a base like

996
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: instead of the sauce. It's dense.

997
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it seems like that's a brick going down.

998
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: That absolutely is. But if Notre Dame strength is that

999
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: offensive line these past few years, maybe having that mashed

1000
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: potato pie fits.

1001
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, is there any program that you could think

1002
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: of that would rise or I guess sync to the

1003
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: level of being like a cauliflower crusted pizza.

1004
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 2: Recent cal football might be in that conversation. So looks

1005
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: the part. But then once they're really in action, I

1006
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: mean that might be Notre Dame right that they look

1007
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: the part. They go eleven and one, twelve and oh

1008
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: they've got these NFL offensive linemen. But then when you

1009
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: take a bite in the playoff, you're like, what is this?

1010
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: What am I eating? What is this? This isn't This

1011
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: isn't a playoff team. This isn't pizza.

1012
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: Maybe that's your Notre Dame. Sorry, man, they do look good.

1013
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: They do taste a little cardboardy. Yeah, not a sponsor

1014
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: could be, but.

1015
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: They look the part. But when push comes to shove

1016
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: and you're trying them out to see if they measure up, yeah, well,

1017
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: this isn't pizza. This isn't a team we can hang

1018
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: with Clemson on this stage. What are we talking about here?

1019
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: All right, I'm sorry, go Irish.

1020
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Speaker 2: How is my dabo impression? I felt like it was

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