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Speaker 2: And it's not golf when you're riding. Golf is golf

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Speaker 3: Sarah was cool, man, she really was. Yeah. I was

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Speaker 1: No, but listen, you got to receive a special dispensation

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and steps out working at a gas station. You know,

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Speaker 3: This is not something I've ever actually heard of. I've

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Speaker 3: Actually, okay, the kid you know, this is an eighties

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got confused, forgive me, because he had actually,

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Speaker 3: And that's what See, that's why these two are mixed

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Speaker 3: He's not in strangler and that's where we find out

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Speaker 3: Had a pair of scissors and he crammed them in

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you why, And it actually makes sense.

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Speaker 3: in the trunk of the car and boom off. So

432
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 3: when we look at it and think the scissors, he

433
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: did have so many other things. Well, his intent was

434
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: not to kill her in that place. His intent was

435
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: to sexually assault her. And there he had plenty of

436
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: tools if he wanted to kill her. Could to kill

437
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: her at the gas station? He had plenty of you know,

438
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: certainly opportunity he kept her tied up, didn't get caught

439
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: there with her tied up, he had opportunity to kill

440
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 3: her if that was his original plan. And certainly I

441
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 3: had better equipment to kill with than a pair of scissors.

442
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that that goes to you know, you

443
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: begin to think about this, and I use this term

444
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: a lot. I found myself using a lot more now,

445
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: the idea of menacing someone. There's an old Betty Davis

446
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: movie I don't know if it was Hush Hush, Sweet Charlotte,

447
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: or if it whatever was whatever happened to Baby Jane.

448
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: And there's a pair of scissors that are utilized in

449
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: that movie. And for me, when I was growing up

450
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: and I would watch these old black and white horror movies,

451
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: there was nothing that was more chilling than an image

452
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: of scissors being utilized in order to bring about someone's death.

453
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: What a horrific way to die. But in the end,

454
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: we've got someone that has now been found out, even

455
00:26:50,080 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: by his own admission. We think about this beautiful country side, Dave.

456
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: You had alluded to shellshank a few moments ago, and

457
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: of course that was said in Maine, and the environment

458
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: is not too different, I think in the countryside. Certainly,

459
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: I used hero and Bucolic earlier. I just like it

460
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: makes me sound tomorrow when I say that, I don't

461
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: know if I actually know the meaning. But anyway, yeah,

462
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: I have a question for you about some of this thing. Lovely,

463
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, where was she found and what was the status?

464
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: That's why when when they were talking to Morrison, you're

465
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: talking to a convicted criminal. You're talking to somebody who,

466
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: by their very nature for their entire life. They've lied, cheat,

467
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: stolen whatever. So I don't know how much stock you

468
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 3: put in what a criminal is confessing to. I don't know.

469
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: I'm not that, I'm not a cop, but at some

470
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 3: point they have to vet everything. They got to verify everything.

471
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: I know that. But one of the things that he

472
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: kept saying in his interview was that it wasn't planned out,

473
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: It just happened. It was spur of the moment. And

474
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: when he was challenged on this that when Hunter was found,

475
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: when her body was finally found, she was grasping a

476
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: branch or a stick with her left hand. Her pants

477
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: and underwear had been taken off, and one of her

478
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: socks was on the fence. And what Morrison claimed is

479
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: that he says he killed Hunter in that trunk of

480
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: his car with the scissors, you know, jammed him in

481
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: her ear to kill her, and he thought she was dead.

482
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: She didn't make any motion, and he believed she was dead,

483
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: and he took her out of the car and took

484
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: her and laid her by the stone wall. And he

485
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: said he doesn't remember anything moving, not her hands, not legs,

486
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: not breathing, nothing, you know. He said that he thought

487
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 3: he killed her in the trunk and moved her body

488
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: near the brick wall. And that's there was nothing, he said,

489
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: There was nothing to lead him to believe she was

490
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: still alive. And yet there's a parent movement with her

491
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: body after she's laid by the brick wall.

492
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: Joe, the dead don't undress themselves. And again, I love

493
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: that you point out this idea. You know, where you know,

494
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: deception is normalized. I think with a lot of folks

495
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: that are institutionalized. There's another term from shaw Shank, you know,

496
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: when Morgan Freeman's character actually says, you know, I'm institutionalized.

497
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: Now.

498
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't make it on the outside. It's a way

499
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: of life, I think, because and give me those items again.

500
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: She's her underwear is down, obviously, her shorts, her her

501
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: underwears down. Their clothing just does not spontaneously fall off,

502
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: all right. And there's a sock over the.

503
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: Fence, and her hand is that she was found grasping

504
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: a branch or a stick with her left hand, underwearing

505
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: pants have been taken off, and one of her socks

506
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: was on the fence.

507
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of things working here. First off,

508
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: let me address this idea of her grasping something. You know, Dave,

509
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: there is a term that I absolutely it makes my

510
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: skin crawl every time I hear it. That's used in

511
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: forensic science, and it's called a cadaveric spasm, and it's

512
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: associated with drowning. Will get drowned people that have drowned

513
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: many times out of bodies of water, or they're found

514
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: washed up and they will be clutching things in their hands.

515
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: And some people will say, well, this is as a

516
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: result of them of the body spasming underwater and they

517
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: wind up with debris in their hands. Okay, I hate

518
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: that term because it's illogical. It's saying a cadaveric spasm.

519
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: Cadavers cannot spasm. Okay, I think that it's for people

520
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: people might be fighting for their lives, you know, to

521
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: try to you know, and they're crawling up in branches

522
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 1: and all the sorts of things. But I think that

523
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: that's evidence of I don't know if I'm buying what

524
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: he's selling here, because how can her hand grasp something

525
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: in death unless he placed it in her hand, which

526
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: is kind of odd. Maybe just maybe the status that

527
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: she was in, she was fighting for a life. I

528
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: think that there is a possibility and no one, look, dude,

529
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,719
Speaker 1: no one's ever going to know. But if she is,

530
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: if her clothing is dishevel to this extent, I think

531
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: that there's a possibility that there was a sexual assault

532
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: that took place out there. She's fighting for a life.

533
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: She's grabbed hold of the ground. Maybe she felt a

534
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: branch there, something that she could knock him off with,

535
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: or maybe she was in such intense pain and she

536
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: was fearful in those last moments of her life. She

537
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: may have been. In addition to that, he's got this

538
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: rag stuffed in her mouth. Now that in and of

539
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: an in and of itself, if you get it far

540
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: enough back in the throat is people can die from

541
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: that because the airway is blocked at that point in time.

542
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: But this sounds like she was she was in fact

543
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: fighting for her life, unless unless he had some kind

544
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: of weird, you know, necrophile streak in him where he

545
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: wanted to have her undressed before him. And I'm not

546
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: going to go down that dark road very far, but

547
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, evidence would essentially suggest something else here. Then

548
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, he opened up the trunk and he didn't

549
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: know what to do with her. Or he thought she

550
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: was already dead or something like that. I'm just not

551
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: buying it. I think. I think at the end of

552
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: the day, you know, when I'm hearing all this, I'm thinking, dude,

553
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: if you've opened the door and you're confessing the why

554
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: not just tell the whole truth to nothing but the truth.

555
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean, again, you know that they're it's California, they're

556
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, they're not well. This case is out of Vermont.

557
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: You know that you're not going to get on death row.

558
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it happened, and you want to

559
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: completely clear your conscience or whatever. Why not just tell

560
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: the truth that this evidence that that we're mentioning here

561
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: just seems like it doesn't line up. It doesn't line

562
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: up with what he's saying, David.

563
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: Not when he's saying that the sole purpose of him

564
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: when he, at his spur of the moment, decided to

565
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: abduct her, you know, and hold her against her will,

566
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: tie her up, was to sexually assault her and tells

567
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: them that, you know, every time he thought he had

568
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: an opportunity to sexually assault her at the gas station,

569
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: somebody would drive up to get to the gas pumps.

570
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: So now he's off work, He's got her by himself.

571
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: She's still tied up in the trunk of his car.

572
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, it stands the reason that he would have

573
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: done what he actually set out to do back at

574
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 3: the gas station, right.

575
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it truly does. And I've got to there's something

576
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: else to this as well, Dave, because back in nineteen

577
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: eighty one, David Allan Morrison actually he had admitted, in

578
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: addition to you know, having killed Sarah, he had admitted

579
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: that he kidnapped a fifteen year old by the name

580
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: of Laura Sheridan. And this is out of Lanesboro, Massachusetts.

581
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: And you know, if he is admitting to that, we

582
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: know that he counts Sarah Hunter as one of his victims.

583
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: He bounces out of there not too long after Sarah

584
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: Hunter's disappearance and death. He's headed for Cali. At that

585
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: point in time, David, I got to ask, I got

586
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: to ask a big question. Here are there others? That's

587
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, because that's you know, when I begin to

588
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: think about this, if you'll do this twice in that

589
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: particular area, you want to be shed of these crimes

590
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: or put them behind you, you wind up in California

591
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: and all of that distance. How did he make his

592
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: way out there? Did he go on to killing free?

593
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: Are there other bodies out there that are in some

594
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: lonely desolate area? And I always think going back to

595
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: this idea of you can't you always have to take

596
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: everything with a grain of salt. Well, are there other

597
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: bodies out there that he could potentially roll over on

598
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: just so that maybe he can leverage this in some way?

599
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: He knows he's going to be in jail or protracted

600
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life at this point, are

601
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: there other bodies out there where he can say? Well,

602
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: if you guys want to know about this, I'll be

603
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: glad to tell you, But this is what I expect

604
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: in return. You know, we saw this with Oddist tool.

605
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: Oudist tool, you know, took people all over the country,

606
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, to get free trips out of course most

607
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: of those he didn't have. He didn't commit any any

608
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: are the numbers that him and Henry Lee Lucas you know,

609
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: allegedly were attached to.

610
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: You think aud this tool got Adam.

611
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: Boy, That's a good question.

612
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 3: I sorry, I apologize because I didn't have I didn't

613
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: ask you about that ahead of time. I'm sorry and

614
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to save that for another episode.

615
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: Now I've got another great oddist tool story I can tell,

616
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: because he did wind up in New Orleans while I

617
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: was down there to come out and visit a spot

618
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: that he said he dumped a body in. All right,

619
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: so he's quite the character. But there's a line here,

620
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: I think, a thread, if you will, that when you

621
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: got a lot of time on your hands, when there's

622
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: nothing else left to do except wait on death, you

623
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: want to engage with somebody. I guess you have to

624
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: be grateful for small blessings and for those that remain

625
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: that were related or are related to Sarah Hunter, this

626
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: thirty two year old that died back in nineteen eighty six.

627
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: I hope that there is some satisfaction in the idea

628
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: that this individual finally admitted to this. There is no

629
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: such thing as closure. The horror still exists, but now,

630
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: at least in her case, we do have answers. We're

631
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: going to be following this case as things develop. You

632
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: never know, you never know what the police are going

633
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: to shake out with this guy. Maybe he's going to

634
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: roll over on other cases, and maybe maybe he'll add

635
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: clarity to other things. That he's been involved in over

636
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: the years. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body

637
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: Buy