1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, Let's go. Are 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and so 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: much for that. It's time for the Break on Dallas 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com. Were with Nick Eatman, Brian brought us, 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Friday, February third, 8 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, season eighteen, episode number one fourteen. Welcome 9 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: to the latest edition of The Break Life and SWBC 10 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. At the start, we're presented by Middle Light, 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys, and we appreciate 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: you guys being patient with us this week. We're doing 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: our show on a Friday afternoon. That was supposed to 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: be on Tuesday, but then it was supposed to be 15 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, but never really quite happened and we just 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: ended up on Friday. So thank you guys for being 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: patient with us. Got Nick back in town, we got 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: Amber up here through all the ice. I'm here. Brian 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: did not make it so he won't be joining us today, 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: but we will try to make it work this week 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: and back next week we'll be back on our schedule. 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: I guess not even back, but we will be starting 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: our offseason schedule. Our normal time will be every Wednesday 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: at eleven eleven or ten eleven thanks eleven ten every 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: Wednesday at ten am Central time. You guys will be 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: able to hear us and I will give you the 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: latest news and our opinions on it. So do Brian, 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: because Brian has something going on with the like the 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: fan at World five, because it's not like he couldn't 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: make it, because Brian thrives on moments like that, like 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: it's like icy and all that. He was like, Oh, 32 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm coming, I'm gonna be here. I'll be the 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: first one there. Yeah, the only one there. It's not 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: like he couldn't make it because of weather. He hadn't 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, He's in radio all day long. Yeah. It's 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: interesting because I noticed on one on five Dot three 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: the fan. You know they do the camera where you 38 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: can see all the hosts talking and Brian's show I 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: saw this week Brian was the only one in the 40 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: studio on camera. Everybody else was at their home. But 41 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: that's Brian. Brian is not He's like, yes, the worst 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 1: the conditions, Brian's like, I'm gonna figure out a way 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: to be there because yeah, exactly, So that's just that's 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: what he does. But yeah, I think he lost a 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: bet on air, and as a result of losing the bet, 46 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: he has to do every show all day to day. 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: So I think he got on this morning and he'll 48 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: be on until like nine o'clock tonight. So good luck Brian. 49 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Have fun with that. That's a lot of talking. Yeah, 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: if anybody can do it, Brian can do it. Though, 51 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: So all right, let's let's jump in. There was a 52 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: lot of news that's happened throughout this week, so it's 53 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: a good time for us to do a show on 54 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: a Friday because there's so much we can talk about. 55 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: But I want to start, obviously with what I think 56 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: is the biggest piece of news, which was Cowboys mutually 57 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: agree with Kellen Moore to move on. And in the 58 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: meantime after that, Kellen Moore is already a new offensive 59 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: coordinator with the Los Angeles Chargers. Stephen talked about it 60 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: this week at the Senior Bowl, and you mentioned it. 61 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: There's still a part of it, it doesn't he He 62 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: was talking about that with regards to Mike McCarthy and 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: how that all works from the head coach to the 64 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. He says, there's still part of that. It 65 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: doesn't totally job with what McCarthy wants out of the offense. 66 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: What did you guys take from that? Well, I mean, 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: I think Stephen was just trying to point out that, 68 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, everybody, everybody still respects Kellen and all that, 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you know, there's 70 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: there's just differences of opinion, and I it's one of 71 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: those things that when you hear it, it's not that 72 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: big a deal. When you put it out on you know, 73 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: in a quote, it looks like it. I mean, it's 74 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: no different than you and I worked together and we 75 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: have a difference of opinion on certain things. I mean, 76 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: not to the point yet that you're letting me go. 77 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: But but you know, but I'm not saying that they 78 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: let him go. No, I'm just saying, but people have 79 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: different No. No, I'm saying people have different opinions on stuff. 80 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: And so it was kind of like, yeah, like he 81 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: respects Kellen, but you know what didn't get said, And 82 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: this is what the way I'll take it is. I 83 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: think everyone thinks or knows that Mikey McCarthy's got to 84 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: keep winning here. You can't go backwards at all. He's 85 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: got to keep winning, make it break season, if that's 86 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: what you want to call it. Probably he's got to 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: go to the NFC Championship game. So he probably feels 88 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: that pressure and he's like, listen, this is the way 89 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: it is. Like I've done it for three years with Kellen, 90 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: but I think there's a different way to do it, 91 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: and I'd like to do it this way. Yeah, and 92 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: I think Kevin probably saw it too. Yeah, when you 93 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: initially said big surprise, I thought you were gonna say 94 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: dan Quinn because that was a huge surprise. But as 95 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: far as Kellen Morton, you know, I think he he 96 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: has a lot of talent, and I think he did 97 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: a really really good job while he was with the boys. 98 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: To see his transition from being a backup quarterback to 99 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: then transition to becoming the backup the quarterbacks coach and 100 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: then quickly becoming the OC, that's pretty impressive. And to 101 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: see the amount of stats that he was able to 102 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: put up despite everything, despite Dak being out, despite all 103 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: the different challenges you're not having the right amount of talent, 104 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, he was able to do a lot 105 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: of things for you. But I do agree was probably time, 106 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: and we talked about it last week. Definitely time for 107 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: a different voice. It wasn't just working. It just wasn't 108 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: working out. And I think he's gonna do good things 109 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: over there with the Chargers, so I'm rooting for him, 110 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: not when we face them, but just in general. I 111 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: think it's time. I'm curious to see how it's gonna 112 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: work out, though, with Mike McCarthy calling the place now, 113 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: because now you ain't got nobody else to put the 114 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: blame on, that's all you. And we were talking about 115 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: it before the show, Derek a little bit this morning. 116 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: To me, it's just like, why didn't you take over 117 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: a little sooner? You know when you see it because 118 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: we go through every year and you know how much 119 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: the team changes. We were almost in the verage of 120 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: losing dan Quinn and him going somewhere else. You have 121 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: to you're gonna lose players. It's just the roster continued 122 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: like always changes and to me, last year, I mean 123 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: we were pretty close. Despite of how the season went, 124 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: it got pretty close. So in my eyes I'm just like, okay, 125 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: if you have trust, even though aside of you have 126 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: different opinions and philosophy and all that, but you're the 127 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: head coach. Like I would have liked him to maybe 128 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: take over a lot sooner if he felt very strongly 129 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: about some of the decisions are not the decisions that 130 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: were made well, I think, first of all, let's put 131 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: this in context. I don't think it's just talk when 132 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: they say this was a mutually agreed to decision. I 133 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: don't think this is a situation where it's just cowboys 134 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: are like, hey, Kellen, we really don't want you here 135 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: next year, so mutually we agree. Like, I think this 136 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: was a mutual decision, maybe as much Kellen as it 137 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: was the Cowboys. I don't know which way it fall. 138 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it was sixty forty one way or the other. 139 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: But the point is I think it was a mutual decision. 140 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: But I personally, and you're talking to you, and I 141 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: talked about this before the show. I don't think last 142 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: year would have been the right year for Mike to 143 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: make that kind of move. You were coming off a 144 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: twelve and five season, you were coming off a year 145 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: we had the top offense in the league. I think 146 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: if he makes that move, then I think the question 147 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: I would have had questions because my thought would have 148 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: been the Cowboys invested in Kellen Moore as a young 149 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator with very little experience, really no experience doing 150 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: the job at just the moment when this offense seems 151 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: like it's starting to take off. That doesn't mean it 152 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: doesn't have its growing pains and it's still not quite perfect. 153 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: It's starting the show signs as being the top offense 154 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: in the league that he has, he's on the right track. 155 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 1: That would have been a little weird for me to say, Okay, 156 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: now that we've finally seen some return from this investment, 157 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: let's just rip it up. That wouldn't have been the 158 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: right time saying like mid season. I mean, it's not, 159 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: but I don't think that's the thing I don't like. Yes, 160 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like do that mid season for sure, 161 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: unless unless the wheels have fallen off, which at no 162 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: point this year did I feel like the offenses wheels 163 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: fell off. Unless the wheels have completely fallen off, I 164 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: just don't know that that's moved to make. I think 165 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: he had one game where he would say that it 166 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: was kind of wobbly because see Cooper. When when Dad 167 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: got hurt, then Cooper comes in and so it's like, well, 168 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: what's going on with the offense. I think everyone just thought, well, 169 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: it's because Dad's not in it. And then the one 170 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: game in Detroit they didn't really play well for a while. 171 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: That comes back and it's like, okay, what's going on? 172 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: And then it was the Bears game and then it 173 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: just went crazy. So like it was almost like if 174 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: they didn't play well against the Bears, I could see 175 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: or something. You know, now, now we got a problem 176 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: because Dad's been back two weeks and it's not getting fixed. 177 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: But it got fixed. They went to the buy. They 178 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: had a pretty good offensive showing in Green Bay, then Minnesota, 179 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: so it's coming. It was almost like when the injury 180 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: kind of almost put its pause on everything, like okay, 181 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: we can't evaluate anything because there's an injury. And then 182 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Dad came back and had pretty good So I don't 183 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: know if it was the right time to do it, 184 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: and I don't I don't think it's a this is 185 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: that big a deal. I just think it's like McCarthy's like, 186 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll call the plays, but we don't 187 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: know who the offensive coordinator is yet. There's a lot 188 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: of names. They've interviewed two guys, there's some, there's you know, 189 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer's also a guy that could be in the 190 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: mix here either way. I mean, if he's calling plays, 191 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter bring it to that's not really 192 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: it's just the structure of the offense. But I get 193 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: the sense, and I don't know if this is always 194 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: the case, but it's like everything is gonna be a 195 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: lot more connected, like everything, you know, like hit bones 196 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: connected to the kneebone type stuff, where it's like running backs, coach, 197 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: offensive line, receivers tighten. I mean, it's all going to 198 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: be a little bit more of a cohesive group. That's 199 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: at least the plan. We'll get to that in a second, 200 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: because I want to talk about some of the players, 201 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: some of the coaches that they that they didn't renew 202 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: and maybe what that means. We haven't had a show 203 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: in a while. Honestly, there's so many different things that 204 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: have happened this week. Before we move on, though, I 205 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: do want to ask you guys, are he at all 206 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: concerned about Mike McCarthy calling plays and still being able 207 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: to manage the responsibilities of a head coach, because we've 208 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: seen over the years there have been a number of 209 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: head coaches, really good head coaches who have a particular 210 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: discipline offense or defense that as time goes on, they're 211 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: originally I mean, they're eventually removed from the responsibility of 212 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: the offense or the defense so that they can really 213 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: be focused on managing the game. There have been questions 214 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: about Mike's decisions in games, fair or not throughout the 215 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: last several seasons. So that being said, are you at 216 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: all concerned about him now being calling the plays in 217 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: addition to trying to manage the game? You know, not really, 218 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna look at it from more of a 219 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: positive spin. Maybe it's maybe it's actually easier to call 220 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: a game when you're managing to manage the game when 221 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: you're calling it, because it's one thing to say, all right, 222 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of know what we're gonna do 223 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: when you get in field goal range. We're gonna try 224 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: to kick this field goal, So let's call play here. 225 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: But but and and you know, and Kellen's thinking, all right, 226 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a first down. I'm trying to 227 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: do this and then, and you can't communicate everything in 228 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, so you know, maybe it's almost easier what 229 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: you're doing here. I know, I want to I want 230 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: to get the ball. I want to kick a field 231 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: goal here. I want to run the ball to the 232 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: left side to get right in the middle of the field. 233 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: You know, of course, I don't know. I don't know 234 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: if that's a good spot for a field goal. I mean, 235 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. That's kind of a bad example. 236 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: But it comes to they can't make any kicks right now. 237 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: But but you know, I just maybe you can eat 238 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: call a game even better when you're managing it too. 239 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I wouldn't know that. Yeah, you wouldn't. 240 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't know how. You've never been 241 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: on a sideline calling a game before. No, Now, in 242 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: the game that I did, I wasn't managing the game, 243 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so five year olds are a little 244 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: easier though, right. That was it was kind of a 245 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: flag football game back in college. It was the quarterback. 246 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: Oh no, that wasn't that game. That wouldn't have been 247 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: coming that flag football. No, when rama was playing. Now, 248 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't managing anything there. I was just blocking. So 249 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: it was like it was like you were blocking like 250 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:33,479 Speaker 1: Zeke on the final play, or I just wondered why. Yeah, 251 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: that's funny, is yeah, yeah, everyone's like Jon Curse is 252 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: tweeting out like I got Tom Brady's last interception. You know, 253 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, is Zeke had the ball? Zeke 254 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: snapped the ball at center the last you know, that's 255 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: a trivia question. What was the last position Zeke played 256 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: for the gab Boys center? And he doesn't remember it 257 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: because he got hit really hard? Are you teaming up 258 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: the next segment as to what you think is going 259 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: to happen with Zeke? Oh, if that happens, okay, I 260 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: don't think he's coming back. I say that we'll get 261 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: to that well. I mean, I'm sure we have to 262 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: go to break pretty soon. But my answer is quick. 263 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: I do agree with Nike as far as like, I 264 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: don't think he'll be a very difficult transcision, and I 265 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: think he'll be fine because he's still gonna They're still 266 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: gonna hire an LC to come in here and take 267 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: over some of the responsibilities, and so he's still gonna 268 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: have the help he needs around him. But I do 269 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: agree it's a lot easier when you don't have to 270 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: communicate with somebody else that quickly and you can just 271 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: make your own decision and you're the guy to call. Now, 272 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: what I like the most quote unquote is we would 273 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: know specifically who to point. I don't like finger pointing. Okay, 274 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying this, I'm not a fan of fingerpointing. But 275 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: even last year we were wondering, okay, how much input, 276 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: what's the percentage between the amount of voice and decision 277 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: that is taken during the game between Kellen and Mike McCarthy. 278 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: We didn't know really the answer to that. And now 279 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: we will know for sure who's making these calls, and 280 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: you're going to specifically extend in front of Mike McCarthy 281 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: after a game and ask him specifically those questions and 282 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to hopefully give you some feedback 283 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: right then and there rather than I mean, they still 284 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: got a look at tape after the game, but it's 285 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: just it gives you a clear answer on who's doing what. 286 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: And we'll see he's done it in Green Bay. He 287 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: has the experience. We'll see if if the offense truly 288 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: changes because on the defensive side of the ball, you 289 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: got another head coach there on that side. So yeah, 290 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: I think I think all the way around this worked 291 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: out for everyone. This is one of the situations that 292 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: worked for everybody, because I do think the Cowboys quite frankly, 293 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: I don't think Kellen did a bad job, but I 294 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: think sometimes I remember Bill Parcel's talking about how I 295 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: don't care who you are as a coach. At some 296 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: point whatever your thing is gonna run thin, and it's 297 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: going to be time for a new voice. And I 298 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: just think this is a good time for a new voice. 299 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: I also think Kellen landed in a perfect spot talk 300 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: about when to throw the ball. He's got a quarterback 301 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: that could sling it, and I expect their offense to 302 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: be that kind of offense next year. They don't have 303 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: a traditional running game, they have a running back who 304 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: is a great guy out in space that you can 305 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: throw the ball too, So you think about it from 306 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: that standpoint, I think it's gonna be a great fit 307 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: for Kellen. So I think all the way around, everybody 308 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: comes out better and let's see how it all turns out. 309 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: I don't think because Kellen has success there it necessarily 310 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: means he would have had success here in order, you know, 311 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: or vice versa. I think at the end of the day, 312 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: I think this was just the right timing for this 313 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: move to just do something a little different than see 314 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: if you can get a little more out of the offense. 315 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: Are we're gonna say our first break, we will come back. 316 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: We got to talk about Dan Quinn and some of 317 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: the other coaches who will not be back here next year, 318 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: some of them kind of surprising. We'll talk about that 319 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: when we come back. Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 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He'd interviewed for a number of different head 366 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: coaching vacancies around the NFL. Then the news came out 367 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: that he informed those teams that he did not plan 368 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: to leave the Cowboys, planned to be here, wanted to 369 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: finish the work that he'd been doing here. How surprised 370 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: were you guys that he didn't end up taking a 371 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: head coaching job and decided to come back here and 372 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: remains the defensive coordinator. I didn't think it was gonna 373 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: happen again. I thought, you know, they got lucky last time. 374 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: Probably wasn't gonna happen this time. And you gotta remember, 375 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: dan Quinn came out and said that this offseason he 376 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: prepared for this. He prepared for his interviews, He prepared 377 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: for you know, what he would say in the event 378 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: that he was playing in a playoff game but also 379 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: interviewing at the same time. So it's not like he 380 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be a head coach. He does want 381 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: to be a head coach. He was preparing for it. 382 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: He's waiting for the right situation to come along. But 383 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: as it stands right now, this is still a good 384 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: spot for him. Um with with the Cowboys. You know, 385 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: you're you're you're coaching you know my I mean Michael 386 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: Parsons and you've got you've got a great you know, 387 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: you've just got a great set up here. I think 388 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: he's making um pretty good money, you know, maybe even 389 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: head coach money. So he's doing fine there and he's 390 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: waiting on it on the right spot. Yeah, I could 391 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: not believe the news when I saw it. I'm like 392 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: Jerry freaking Jones. He I mean, obviously a lot of 393 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: it came down to Dan Quinn's decision, obviously um, but 394 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: at the same time he has to be happy and 395 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: with the right people and Jerry Jones to make it happen. 396 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: Last year, and like Nick said, salary we gotta remember, 397 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: is that still applying the whole were his contract or 398 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: money that he was making previously from Atlanta. I don't. 399 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, honestly, And if so, it's usually an 400 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: offset thing, so it's what what it was made. You 401 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: kind of pay the difference because I remember he was 402 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: still making money out of from that and while he 403 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: was still working here, So it's just like the salary. 404 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: Once you add everything up, it was still pretty good. 405 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: But my thought process when I saw that is that maybe, 406 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: just maybe because once again Jerry Jones has come out 407 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: and he has full support of Mike McCarthy and he 408 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: still has I believe, two years left in his contract, 409 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: but maybe that's a scenario. This is a scenario where 410 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: dan Quinn possibly realizes what could happen in the near 411 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: future and this could be a place where he could 412 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: become potentially a head coach later on, and he sees 413 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: the opportunity. He also see the amount of support. I 414 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: mean you look at Twitter and things like that, just 415 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: the amount of support that his own players give him. 416 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: He's a players is that what you call him? Players coach? 417 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: He's very, very tight. He's a great guy, not just 418 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: a football knowledge and what he's done as a DC, 419 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: but as a person, so humble and everything. You just 420 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: love the guy. So everyone is happy. Everybody's happy to 421 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: have him here. I'm freaking excited, especially because I'm not 422 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: sure kind of how they're gonna handle free agency, and 423 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: you look at what dun quinn has been able to 424 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: do during free agency with guys that are not like 425 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: top player, a lot of money, big splashes, and he's 426 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: still being able to take veteran guys and make a 427 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: name out of them again kind of refreshed their career here. 428 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: So I'm really really excited to have him back. Yeah. 429 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: I think this was a great move for Dallas obviously, 430 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: and maybe it was a situation too where it all 431 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: kind of worked out where you know, and I'm not 432 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: getting inside Dan's head, but you have to think about 433 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: all the things that are factors here. He might have 434 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: looked at all the positions that were available as head 435 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: coaches and none of them was a great situation as 436 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: far as maybe the things that he looks at that 437 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: he'd want to have in place to take a new job, 438 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: and he might be thinking next year might have a 439 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: better opportunity. Um. And so either way, however it goes, 440 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: whatever was involved in that decision, it worked out for 441 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. They get their defensive coordinator back, and hopefully 442 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: their defense continues to improve because it is, in my opinion, 443 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: one of the better defenses in the league. Yeah, I mean, 444 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: you've got, like like Amber said, I mean, the guys 445 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: like jay Ron Curse, Donovan Wilson, players that he kind 446 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: of had a good vision for that that it was like, 447 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: all right, let's let's you know, let me let me 448 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: put them in this scenario and and and let's make 449 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: them have you know, great, great seasons. I mean, and 450 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: then obviously we don't know what it looks like with 451 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: Micah Parsons here without them. We don't really want to 452 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: know it, don't really have to know right now, so 453 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: I you know. But but I also think that was 454 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: a vision that was something like, hey, this guy rushes 455 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: the passer really well, um, we need it. We needed 456 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: some pass rush help here, so let's see about putting 457 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: him on the edge, and now he's an edge rusher. 458 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one other way that I think this 459 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: helps the Cowboys quite a bit. You have a lot 460 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: of players on this defense, and really on this team, 461 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: they got a lot of guys that got to figure 462 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: out contracts for for that are free agents. There some 463 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: notable defensive players that let's assume for a second, dan 464 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: Quinn does go somewhere else. Does he then take a 465 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: lot of some of those players that you may have 466 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: wanted to resign because you can't franchise everybody that you 467 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: may have wanted to resign, and then they want to 468 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: go and play for him because that's when they got 469 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: their best work. And I'm looking at people like Layton 470 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: Vanderesh where I'm like, does Layton say, Hey, I really 471 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: believe in this guy, So wherever he is, that's where 472 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: I want to be. If he's in Dallas, maybe I 473 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: want to stay in Dallas. If he goes somewhere else, 474 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: maybe I want to go there. That I think becomes 475 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: a bigger thing for Dallas. They don't have one guy 476 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: that already has relationships with some of these players, you're 477 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: going to try to resign that might be somewhere else. 478 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: You're right about that, and I'm curious to see how 479 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: that plays a factor. But this is also you know, 480 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: this is like the second contract. Players will say it. 481 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: They've they've been advised forever. They know the second contract. 482 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: It's your contract, it's your contract, this is it. This 483 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: is the window that you've got. So if you're Donovan Wilson, 484 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: if you're Layton Vanderesh, and I know a second contract 485 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: for him as a little different because he signed a 486 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: one year deal. But if he has a chance to 487 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: get a big deal, Leyton, Donovan Wilson, and there's there's 488 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: other players I'm trying to think, you know, Anthony Brown 489 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: is he's getting kind of a different boat too, because 490 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: this is be his third contract. But I just don't 491 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: see as much as Donovan Wilson probably would love to 492 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: come back and play with Dan Quinn, the money's got 493 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: to be pretty close. Yeah, But just to be clear, 494 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: I guess my point was if he goes somewhere else, 495 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: now he's the person in that building that has influence 496 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: that can say we should give a big contract to 497 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson and maybe that pulls him away from the 498 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: Cowboys because maybe it's more money, maybe it's the same money, 499 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: but that he believes in Dan Quinn, that's really more 500 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: the key. And the Cowboys just can't sign everybody. There's 501 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: no way they can. They can sign everybody, and the 502 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: way that they do try to sign a lot of 503 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: people is you've got to you've got to give Dak 504 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: every structure you know. See, and I know we're kind 505 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: of getting off the beaten path on this, but like 506 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: they haven't paid the piper yet on Dak. No, he 507 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: counted like five and on the cap last year. The 508 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: year before that, his base salary was like a million. 509 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: He's averaging forty a year. So if he's only counting 510 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: one or two, what do you think? What do you 511 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: think's coming down the pipe here? So it's gonna be tough, um, 512 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: But the way to do it is probably to extend 513 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: him out. And you extend him out, you can you 514 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: can free up a lot, you can free up a 515 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: lot of money. But then again, you know, and he's 516 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: got to want to be, you know, be able to 517 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: do that, which I think he would. I don't know 518 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: why he wouldn't, um, So that's another thing that's interesting 519 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 1: to see kind of where he stands and what he's 520 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: thinking is and his agent, because look all it took 521 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: for them to come out with that deal, and he 522 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: was the one who wanted a shorter deal rather than 523 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: a longer one compared to the Cowboys. So I wonder 524 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: where he stands right now because I'm sure possibly he 525 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: would have thought he would be like at a different 526 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: level in his career at this point. Well, and something 527 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: that Stephen said this week from Mobile, he said that 528 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: when the season starts next year, there there's gonna be 529 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: thirteen and maybe fourteen quarterbacks that are making forty million 530 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: a year. So you know, we said this several times 531 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: on here, that yeah, Dak's making forty million a year. 532 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: It was number two at the time, and now it's 533 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: probably going to be a ride around thirteen or fourth league, 534 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: which is when you've when even even the people that 535 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: hate on Dak's game, if you said where does he 536 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: rank among top quarterbacks in the league. He's probably in 537 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: the top half. Some people want to say top ten, 538 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: top fifteen is pretty fair. I'm gonna have You're gonna 539 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: be heartreaspond. Somebody says he's under top fifteen. Yeah, yeah, 540 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: I mean, and he's played some some games this year 541 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: that didn't look like a top fifteen quarterback. He's played 542 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: a few games where he looked like top five. So 543 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: you had it all out, and that's probably where he is, 544 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: and that's where he's getting paid. But that's that's kind 545 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: of the way that it goes. I mean, you have 546 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: to make a decision. You know, you have to pay 547 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: him more than than you then you want to pay 548 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: these guys sometimes, but that is the market because you 549 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: don't want to start over every time on a quarterback. 550 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: That's exactly So to stay on the same topic, Steven 551 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: he made a calm and saying he would like to 552 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: have Dak here. He's going to be your guy. He'd 553 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: liked to have him for the next ten years. And 554 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: I think when fans see that on Twitter, you know, 555 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: there's an initial reaction of like those people that very 556 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: much dislike Dak and don't think he's the type of 557 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: quarterback that's gonna take you to a Super Bowl. What 558 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: exactly does an extension mean? Aside from the amount of money, 559 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: how long would this like extension be looking like, yeah, 560 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: it's you probably it's probably like a three three years 561 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: or so added onto it. I mean, it gets kind 562 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,239 Speaker 1: of tricky because then there's there's there's voidable years. I mean, 563 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: what do you have like a six year deal that 564 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: was voided down? So so maybe you put those years 565 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: back on the table. There's a lot of different ways 566 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: to do it. But basically, what you're doing is you're 567 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: just pushing money. You're just pushing money to the outside. 568 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: You're not taking a pay cut. You're just you're pushing 569 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: money to the to the end. And you know, I 570 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: think you got to be real clear on what Stephen said. 571 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: Hopefully we would we would love to have Dak here 572 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: for hopefully the next ten years. That that doesn't mean 573 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: ten years of him throwing two interceptions in a playoff 574 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: game or leading the league and interceptions, of course not. 575 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: It's hopefully it means that Dak, you know, has some 576 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: great years, keeps going. It's worth it. Hey, Dak's our 577 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: guy who's better. Well, nobody, let's keep it going, keep 578 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: it going. They would love for that. When Brady was thirty, 579 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: the Patriots were like, I would love for him to 580 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: be here for the next ten years. Like okay, and 581 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: he was for twelve years. So but that's about the 582 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: only example of that. So hopefully means that Dak is 583 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: playing well enough where that is the best decision on 584 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: the table and does that well, that probably happen, Probably 585 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: not ten years. I mean, I don't see him be 586 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: any player playing forty is that's not the average is 587 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: not going to say that's going to happen. But I 588 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: will say this, and I think it needs to be said. 589 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: I think people forget what we saw this year from 590 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: Dak from the standpoint of interceptions. That's an aberration that 591 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: has not been Dak's career, that has not been something 592 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: he's been known for his career. So for me, I 593 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: look at it, I say, Okay, I'm willing to give 594 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: benefit of doubt that there were circumstances this year, whatever 595 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: they might have been, that led to him having such 596 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: high interception numbers that I'm not willing to make that 597 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: who he is at this point in his career. I 598 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: think it was just an aberration. It was a bad 599 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: year from the standpoint of turnovers. I expect that to 600 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: be better next year. I also expect that Dallas is 601 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: going to do some things to help him out, which, 602 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: by the way, we've talked about that before. Every team, 603 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: every quarterback needs help. If this is not a league 604 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: where you got quarterbacks that are just so good they 605 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: don't need help. Even the quarterback right now that's in 606 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl that people in arguably say is the 607 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: best one in the league, Patrick Mahomes, was there a 608 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: couple of years ago and they lost the Super Bowl 609 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: because this offensive line did him no favors. He was 610 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: pressured more than anybody in the Super Bowl era of 611 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: the NFL in a super Bowl game, and they lost, 612 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: and they lost badly. 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So let's talk about some of these 669 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: other coaches who had contracts that were expiring and the 670 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: Cowboys decided to allow them to expire. I'm gonna run 671 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: off the names for you, and then I'm gonna ask you, guys, 672 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: which of those coaches do you think it was most 673 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: surprising that Dallas didn't resign. You had assistant head coach 674 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: Rob Davis, quarterback po coach Doug nust Meyer, running back 675 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: coach Skip Pete, offensive line coach Joe Philbin second, or 676 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: the backup defensive line coach Leon Lett linebacker coach George Edwards, 677 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: Which do you think was most surprising? Philbin, to me 678 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: was the most surprising. But it's a close tie with 679 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: Skip Pete. But I would say Philbin because I thought 680 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: the offensive line did a great job of adjusting all 681 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: year long. They were a pretty cohesive group when there 682 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of cohesiveness there. So I thought they 683 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: did a really good job. Was surprised by that, and 684 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: come to find out that Philbin was making a lot 685 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: of money. I mean, this contract was really high, like 686 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: almost three million dollars or something like that. For an 687 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: offensive well, that's pretty it's up there. But for coaches, 688 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: I mean you, I mean, there's no salary cap, so 689 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: you pay for good ones. I thought he was a 690 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: good one. I was kind of surprised that they were 691 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 1: going a different route there. Well, not to take credit 692 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: away from the running backs, but for a lot of 693 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: that to happen, you got to give credit initially to 694 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: the old line. And I keep remembering all the times 695 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: that the old line, as soon as there was an injury, 696 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: it would just nothing would work. And that was a 697 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: huge thing and it was a huge problem for the Cowboys. 698 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: So for me to transition from that to now you 699 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 1: see so many different guys a different positions getting hurt, 700 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: and now you're having to shuffle guys around, make changes 701 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: on the spot, be prepared for what could happen. We 702 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: saw it in what game was that when McGovern had 703 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 1: to go in that center Tennessee. It was when Beatis 704 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: got hurt Tennessee. So yeah, yeah, Tennessee. And then you 705 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: saw those shuffling, which is not necessarily easy to do. 706 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: So to see that they have been capable of doing 707 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: something like that and be successful at it, are good 708 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: enough to just keep you going and get you through 709 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: the game. I thought it was a very impressive job 710 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: and something that I haven't seen another on line coach 711 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: do here for the Dallas Cowboys. So that was very 712 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: very surprising when I found out that they kind of didn't. 713 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: There was a lot of them though, I mean, I mean, 714 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: I think Philbin was the biggest one, but Pete, you 715 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: know that was that was a surprise that the running backs, 716 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: I think all had better years than they had the 717 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: year before, and that includes Zeke. I thought Zeke had 718 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: a better year and the backups, like, I mean, those guys, 719 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: it's all about developing young players and Philbin did it 720 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: obviously with the all O line with Beotist and Steele 721 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: and McGovern and tarn I mean Tyler Smith, let's not 722 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, what he did was amazing last year. Um 723 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: so that those are surprising. Mica Edwards, Mica Parsons loves 724 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: George Edwards and to let him go that was that 725 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: was kind of an odd move. I mean, your right 726 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: hand man is Rob Davis and Mike McCarthy and then 727 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: they let him go. I really think at the end 728 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: of the day, it comes down to the fact, and 729 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: Jerry said it on the radio last year. I don't 730 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: think he loved the fact. There's twenty nine, twenty nine 731 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: coaches on this team. Twenty nine coaches A lot of coaches. 732 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: Typically you have how many I mean, I would I 733 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what twenty proper position, maybe 734 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: a couple like backup type guys. But yeah, it's a lot. 735 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean to have twenty nine, you know, it's just 736 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot. And I think that that's 737 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: where and I'm not gonna say that, I mean trimming 738 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: the fat. It sounds bad because it sounds like they 739 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: weren't doing anything but I just think it was just 740 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: trimming it, trimming it down. Do you guys take anything 741 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: from the fact or this this could just be pure 742 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: coincidence and it was about the individual situations with each one. 743 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: But do you guys take anything from the fact that 744 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: your offensive coordinator, your quarterback coach, your running back coach, 745 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: your offensive line coach, like that's your offense basically, that 746 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: all those coaches will be different. Do you take a 747 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: bigger is there a bigger picture story do you think 748 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: here or do you think it was just simply with 749 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: each one of them there was a different reason why 750 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: they were no longer back. I think that's a good question, 751 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: and I think the answer is both. I think there's 752 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: probably a different, different thing for all of them, but 753 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: it's probably it all's gonna funnel up to Mic here. 754 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: And I think Mike's like, listen, you know, if I'm 755 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: going down here with the ship, I mean, this is it. 756 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: He's got. He's got to go to the NFC Championship Game. 757 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: I think if he doesn't do that, I don't think 758 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: he's gonna get that contract extension that he's looking for. 759 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: And so he feels that and it's like I'm gonna. Okay, 760 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 1: some of these guys were hand picked for me. Something 761 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: of them I did bring in. But we're gonna, we're 762 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: gonna make some changes here, you know, And I don't 763 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: know what I don't. We look at Philbin, we look 764 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: at Pete, we look at these guys that go, Man, 765 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: these are good coaches, but behind closed doors, we don't 766 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: know exactly how they've meshed with with the coach and 767 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: how they fit in and and just what the overall 768 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,479 Speaker 1: philosophy is. There's a thought process about running backs coach 769 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: that that you and I could could coach running backs. 770 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: That's the kind of the thought generally, there's a generally yeah, 771 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: and look at look at how much they make. They're 772 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: I think they're the lowest paid position across the board 773 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's just and look at the franchise 774 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: tag for running backs. I mean it's ten point one. 775 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: That's the lowest one. And that's what I was saying 776 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 1: to say about Skip And nothing against Saim. I absolutely 777 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: love the guy and love what he's done and as 778 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 1: a person, but it's that mentality that Nick just mentioned, 779 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: not just with let's say coaching, but even the player themselves, 780 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: Like it's this thought that you can easily quickly replace 781 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: a running back with somebody younger, somebody fresher, draft a guy, 782 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: come in, plug at him and play. And it's one 783 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: of quote unquote easiest positions where you can just keep 784 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, their life spam in the NFL. It's not 785 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: as long as the rest of the other positions. But 786 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: quick question, and this might be dumb or not. I 787 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: don't know. I've never really given thoughts to it, But 788 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: where does the money come from as far as like playing, 789 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: paying coaches salary? Jerry's pet? It's nothing, no, no type 790 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: of it's it's no different. It's no different. Honestly, it's 791 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: no different than what he pays any of us. Like 792 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: it's complete between us and a little different ry. Not 793 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: for you obviously, but for us amber for me. No, no, 794 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,919 Speaker 1: But I think how much money the NFL is making 795 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: every year? Um No, But it's it's about that's a 796 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: former player of the Cowboys we're seeing on TV. But no, 797 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: it's it's about It's about nothing more than whatever the 798 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: owner and GM works out with those coaches. It's not 799 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: the league does not necessarily say there's this cat that 800 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: you can't go over and so then it just becomes 801 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: a function of your business. In your business, how much 802 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,760 Speaker 1: do you want to pay for these particular roles that instance. Okay, 803 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: that makes it very interesting to me because one thing 804 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: we do know is if Jerry wants something, he's gonna 805 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: get it. If he wants to have if he loved 806 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: this guy, he's gonna make it work. So it's really 807 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: interesting to see because I feel like in our eyes, 808 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: these guys did a really good job as coaches, but 809 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: who knows what happens behind this door. We're not in 810 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: those meetings, we're not there. But the end result of 811 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: what at least they've shown the public eye has been 812 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: pretty good. So it is interesting to see what's happening 813 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: just on the offense overall what you say and all 814 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: these changes, I mean part of it, and obviously none 815 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: of us knows, but it could be a situation where 816 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: it literally it's just like, you know, you like what 817 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: you have. But at the end of the day, these 818 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: twenty nine coaches haven't delivered a different result than say, 819 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: twenty right, and so it's like, okay, we tried it 820 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: the way of doing twenty nine coaches that ain't really 821 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: showing us different results. Maybe we ought to change up 822 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: our process. And I mean, we all know what the 823 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: definition of insanity is, right, do the same thing over 824 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: and over expecting different results. So I do think that 825 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: I do think that there is a possibility. Again, this 826 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,919 Speaker 1: is all speculation, but there's a possibility at some point 827 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: that just from a business standpoint, you start saying, we've 828 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: had a lot of extra bodies and we haven't really 829 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: seen a difference in those extra bodies providing more in 830 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: the outcome, and so maybe we should trim that a 831 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: little bit, and maybe we should be a little more 832 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: thoughtful about who that one person is instead of the 833 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: two people you will have at that position, or the 834 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: three guys you have here. Can you do that with 835 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: one or two that are that are maybe more qualified 836 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: or better at handling as one or two? Right? Who knows? 837 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: But I just think from from a business standpoint, that's 838 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: how I would be thinking about it. If I running 839 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: a group and I'm trying to think about where I'm 840 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: going to spend my dollars, if I've been really, really 841 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: fat and i haven't seen a difference, at some point 842 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: you say is this worth it? Yeah? Well, and I 843 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: think there may not be a salary cap. There's not 844 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: a salary cap for coaches. There's probably something in Jerry's 845 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: mind of what the coaches should get and how much 846 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: we're paying. And if he's paying a defensive coordinator stuff. 847 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: You have a budget, as does every business, so is 848 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator is probably making a little bit more. So Yeah, 849 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: like all right, he's gonna more about this budget. Yeah 850 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: that's a head coach. Like we're good. And you know, 851 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: I honestly i'd never the role that that that Rob 852 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: Davis played for this team. I had never even heard 853 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: of until he got here. Um, the coaches that had 854 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: been here previous to that, I'd never really heard of 855 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: them having that kind of role. Now, maybe they had 856 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: somebody on their staff that did those kinds of things, 857 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: but I never really heard of someone who was dedicated 858 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: to that. They really didn't have a position group. They 859 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: were the assistant head coach. But it was more of it. 860 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: The way it was described to me by someone was 861 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: he was like your culture coach. He was more about 862 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: creating the right culture for your team, which in most 863 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: instances you would suspect that the head coach creates the 864 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: culture and he's the one that's engaging with guys on 865 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: a personal level and making sure that they feel the 866 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: right way about the culture of the team. It's just 867 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: it was a different way of doing it. Maybe they 868 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: decided at some point it just wasn't you know, a 869 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: lot of extra value. In college, you always hear about 870 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: these coaches they know everything. Yeah, you know, like even 871 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: though there may be an older guy, but they're like, 872 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,439 Speaker 1: you don't think I hear things like I know what's 873 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, And it's because there are people that 874 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: report to them that are on the end. They're not 875 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: in the weight room, ye, I mean, like the head 876 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: coach isn't, but these other coaches are. They're down at 877 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: the meeting rooms. They kind of know what's going on. 878 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: They're talking to guys every day. Yeah, yeah, hey someone 879 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: so I was dealing with this at home, or you're 880 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: about to have a baby or whatever. You know, like 881 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: there's just people that kind of know what's going on. 882 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: And he was one of them. And there was a 883 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: lot more things probably that he did. But you know, 884 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: that was a tough one I think for McCarthy. But 885 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: you know that that let me know that Jerry was 886 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,839 Speaker 1: probably making some of these moves here too. And don't 887 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: get me wrong, I a lot of these guys on 888 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: this list, in my opinion, have been some of the 889 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: when you just talk about good guys, some of the 890 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: best coaches that I've seen come through this building in 891 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: the years I've been here. I actually I think joy 892 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: spending time with Skip Pete. He was He's a good 893 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: man and always gave good perspective. Was willing to talk 894 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: to us about things that, you know, and give us 895 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: perspective that we may not have had otherwise. So and 896 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: I really appreciate guys like to miss that at training camp. 897 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely. I mean, if you could just deal with 898 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: the cigar smoke for a few hours, you just deal 899 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: with you know, He's sitting there just telling stories and 900 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: just talking about you know, he had a plan all year. 901 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: He had a plan. He was like, Zeke's gonna get 902 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: the ball less, he's gonna be better. Paulard is gonna 903 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: get the ball only a little bit more, but he 904 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: is going to be better. And I'm gonna get this 905 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 1: third guy, which he thought was Rico Daddle. It turned 906 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: out to beat Davis. But you know, but he had 907 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: a plan all along and it worked perfectly. It really 908 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: did work perfectly when you think about a guy that 909 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: didn't start that's in the Pro Bowl. Yeah, which is 910 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I asked that question about the 911 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: bigger picture is because you look at him, you look 912 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 1: at Philbin, you look at George Edwards, and you start 913 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: thinking man. In each of those cases, there are probably 914 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: guys you could throw out there that played at a 915 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: higher level than you thought was they were capable of 916 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: this year, which you would give at least some difference 917 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 1: to the coach. Yet they didn't have their contracts renewed, 918 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: and so it's just I think there are lots of 919 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: things that factor into those kinds of decisions, and for 920 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: whatever reason, the Cowboys side to move on and the 921 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,319 Speaker 1: coaches are going to move on. So all right, we'll 922 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: be back next week. We'll get into that running back 923 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: conversation next week, because they're not going anywhere between now 924 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: and then. We'll talk about Zeke and Pollard, maybe even 925 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about dak that next week. Until then. 926 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: For Nick Eatman, Amber Garcia, I'm Derek Eielton. This has 927 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 928 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot com 929 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club out