1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Hi'm George and Ore and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast, a imparanormal podcast network. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Sander Champlain. Hi. I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years, 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: I've been on a journey to prove the existence of 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: life after death. On each episode will discuss the reasons 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: we now know that our loved ones have survived physical 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: death and so will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Ask any hospice worker and they'll tell you stories about 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: the days or hours just before someone passes away and 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: they witness the person talking or smiling, or reaching out 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: their hand to the invisible space around them. Deathbed visitations 16 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: is also called end of life visions, and that's our 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: topic today. Just before we go into that, though, there's 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: been a lot of questions I've been receiving about suicide, 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: Questions like do our loved ones get punished for taking 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: their own lives? Do they still go to heaven or 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: are they sent to Hell or purgatory? Are they okay? 22 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: Every Sunday, my friends and I do a free online 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: spiritual service. We call it the Sunday Gathering. While there 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: is prayer and music and a reading and an address, 25 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: we also do something very unique. We have a medium 26 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: or two who will do a medium demonstration for the 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: members of our online community. The medium will give details 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: about a person and we ask all the audience members 29 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: to listen in keenly and press their raise hand button 30 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: on Zoom if they recognize the information about a deceased 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: loved one or friend. Once we did to erman the 32 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: correct recipient, the medium can speak to the member of 33 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: our community and give them a reading about details of 34 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: their loved ones lives, how that person in the afterlife 35 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: can still see them in their daily activities, and give 36 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: them a message. Each Sunday, we may have over two 37 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: people in our audience and four or five people will 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: get readings during the service, but everyone feels the love 39 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: and has faith and comfort that their loved ones have 40 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: also survived physical death and so will we. Just a 41 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: couple of Sundays ago, I was struck by how much 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: suicide there is out there. When one medium began giving 43 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: evidence about a young man, a son who had taken 44 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: his own life, over a dozen hands immediately went up. 45 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: The medium went on to give more information and we 46 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: found the mom that this son belonged to with very 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: personal evidence shared the mom realized this truly was her son. 48 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: While there was an apology, he also shared what a 49 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: dark place it was living in his own mind while 50 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: he was on earth. He also shared that he's happy 51 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: now with loved ones and the family dog, and a 52 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: confirmed being with his mom. At certain special family occasions, 53 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: you could hear the joy and the relief and the 54 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: mom's voice, and certainly her life was changed. I can 55 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: imagine that you have felt deep grief. You may have 56 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: felt times of depression in your life too, or felt 57 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: so much pressure or stress that you never thought you'd 58 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: get through it. The thought may have occurred to you 59 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: to end your life, but inner strength prevailed and you didn't. 60 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: When my dad died, I sunk into a very deep place. 61 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: Not only did he die, but my siblings became very mean. 62 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: Not only did I lose communication with them, but I 63 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: couldn't see their children either. Thankfully, since I learned about 64 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: the changes that happened in the brain. All is now forgiven, 65 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: But then life was awful. I couldn't imagine a darker place, 66 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: and for the first time got a little taste of 67 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: the darkness that people must feel that do end up 68 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: taking their own lives. Many religions talk about the punishment 69 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: from suicide, and many people who have lost loved ones 70 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: that way go through a living hell, not only having 71 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: fear about their loved one's soul, but often feeling a 72 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: guilt that they could have done something different or should 73 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: have said something to prevent it. If you are considering 74 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: taking your own life, and that's why you're listening to 75 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: the show listening for evidence of the afterlife, I ask 76 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: that you don't do it. Life might feel like your enemy, 77 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: but it is not. Rather, it is the thoughts in 78 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: our minds that create the agony. These thoughts often come 79 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: from undistinguished grief. Grief doesn't always come from when a 80 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: loved one dies. It can happen when we feel any 81 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 1: kind of loss at all, like if we lose our job, 82 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: our way of life, our finances, a relationship, or we 83 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: get an illness and believe our life won't be as 84 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: we previously imagined it to be. Shades of the afterlife 85 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: has begun in a time when the coronavirus COVID nineteen 86 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: is in the world. Many don't know, but suicide rates 87 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: are at their highest, especially among young people whose minds 88 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: cannot deal with the situation they are experiencing. While ending 89 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: their life may seem like the answer, reports from loved 90 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: ones who have transitioned to the other side and those 91 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: who have had near death experiences report being able to 92 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: accurately see and feel the hurt and the sadness of 93 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: those left behind. While they are still greeted by loved 94 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: ones and enter the beautiful place awaiting us, all they 95 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: realize they haven't died. No one judges us except ourselves, 96 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: so there's no hell and no purgatory to worry about 97 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: in the after life. The worst experiences we go through 98 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: are right here on earth. When a loved one passes, 99 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: it may be a thought that you'd like to go 100 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: with them, but your life is for a purpose. While 101 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: the afterlife may be beautiful, there are things on earth 102 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: we get to experience that are different than when we 103 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: arrive there. As we have a human body with so 104 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: many incredible senses, plus your loved ones walk by your 105 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: side right now and throughout these many episodes, I'll give 106 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: you many ways to connect with them. They'll be right 107 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: there to help you across the threshold into the afterlife 108 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: when your time comes, but not too soon. We'll all 109 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: find out that when our time comes to depart this life, 110 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: no matter how we cross that bridge, loved ones will 111 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: be there to guide us and love us, and our 112 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: lives will continue on. We can fulfill our dreams over there, 113 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: continue to grow and be of service to others, even 114 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: to those still on earth. You may be surprised at 115 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: the automatic effect grief has on your thoughts and if 116 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: right now you are in a dark place, I offer 117 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: an explanation of what is happening in the brain anytime 118 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: you experience it. If you'd like to know more, I 119 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: invite you to read chapter ten of my book We 120 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: Don't Die. And of course, you can get the PDF 121 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: copy of the book for free at Sandras Champlain dot com. 122 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: You can also get the audio book, which is in 123 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: the store section. Just type in the coupon code free. 124 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: You can also search on YouTube how to survive grief 125 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: and you'll see an audio by me. A few words 126 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: of advice for all. Get some sunshine if you can, 127 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: and some exercise, Talk to friends, write down your feelings, 128 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: Listen to your favorite happy music or great television shows 129 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: or movies you like. Don't be alone if you can 130 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: help it. Call a friend and connect with friends online. 131 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: You can do face to face chatting, and the biggest one, 132 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: be a friend to someone else. Be of service, volunteer, listen, 133 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: reply to messages on social media with positive words. Most 134 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: of all, have compassion for yourself. The neurotransmitters in your 135 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: brain and body are readjusting, just like a vehicle cannot 136 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: run without oil, fuel and other fluids. When we are 137 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: grieving or deeply depressed, we are running low. By doing 138 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: some of the activities I just told you about that 139 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: will help. If you're going through a real tough time. 140 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: To get some immediate help in your area, do a 141 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: search on Google for list of suicide crisis lines and 142 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call. There is another side 143 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: to grief. The dark cloud will seem to have lifted, 144 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: life will appear different, and a new you may arise, 145 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: one that had compassion for others and grief has the 146 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: power to set you on your spiritual journey and that 147 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: might have led you to listening Today, good things will 148 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: happen for you, and one day you'll look back, realizing 149 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: the most soul growth took place in your toughest times. 150 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but there are 151 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: a certain type of pine cones that only release their 152 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: seeds to start a new life when it's subjected to 153 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: intense heat or flames. Same may be true for us. 154 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: Something to think about. Now, let's talk deathbed visitations, shall we. 155 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: It's also called deathbed phenomena, and it's a term for 156 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: the non ordinary experiences that can happen as the veil 157 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: between life and death fins. It's not unusual for dying 158 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: people and occasionally those around them, to see here or 159 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: sense the presence of other beings. These beings maybe ancestors 160 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: or spiritual figures, friends, the groups of friends, even pets. 161 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: They're often described as coming to take the person home. 162 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: These interactions can bring real comfort to the dying person 163 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: and to their family and friends. As the dying person 164 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: disconnects from this world, their awareness turns to where they're 165 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: going next and to those who have made the journey 166 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: before them. It may be that these deathbed visions are 167 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: visitations to comfort the dying and escort the dying person across. 168 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: You may have heard me say this before. Steve jobs 169 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: last words were oh wow, oh wow, oh wow. Who 170 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: or what was he seeing? The living can never fully 171 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: comprehend what's happening for a dying person, but if someone 172 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: you love is approaching their death, take some time to 173 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: learn about deathbed visitations. They can bring peace and healing 174 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: in a difficult time and allowing so much comfort and 175 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: a gift to all, really, especially to the dying person. 176 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: There's a great drawing that I found on the Internet 177 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: from artist Charles Santoso called Goodbye and Welcome. It's the 178 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: image of a woman and her two sons crying at 179 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: the bedside of the boy's grandmother. It's evident that she 180 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: has just passed, but next to the bed is Granny 181 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: standing up with a look of delight on her face 182 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: as her husband greets her with a bouquet of flowers. 183 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: Into the other side, there are other friends greeting her 184 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: as well, even the dog and cat. While pain and 185 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: suffering can be horrendous to experience on earth, there is 186 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: no memory of pain and just sheer joy and a 187 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: feeling of freedom. And perfect health when we make our transition. 188 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: Often during a reading with the medium, loved ones will 189 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: tell how they passed, just so you can confirm it's 190 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: really them. But they always explain that there was no 191 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: pain in death and they are now fine and healthy 192 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: and well. Charlene low Kemp recently did some research and 193 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: wrote an article what do we know about deathbed Visitations? 194 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: She says deathbed visitations are not just things made up 195 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: in films and stories. They are pretty common and the 196 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: witness reports from all across the world, from different nationalities, religions, 197 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: and cultures all show some very similar traits. Over the years, 198 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: various studies have been conducted on deathbed visitations and it 199 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: is thought that only about ten percent of dying people 200 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: are conscious shortly before their deaths. But of this ten percent, 201 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: it is estimated that at least sixty of them have 202 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: these visions. 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Heard on the 220 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find 221 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: your favorite shows the best afterlife information you can get well. 222 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife with Sander Champlaine. Welcome back to 223 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlaine. This morning, I 224 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: happened to see a video that was mentioned on Wendy 225 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: and Victor Zammett's Friday Afterlife Report. I watched it on YouTube, 226 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: and it was a local news television station in the 227 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: United States who researched deathbed visitations. They interviewed people who 228 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: work in hospice were Many of these special visits are 229 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: witnessed before passing. People can look over your shoulder or 230 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: into the corner of the room, or at an empty chair, smiling, 231 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: having what seems to be a one sided conversation. You 232 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: can't see the person or people that they can see. 233 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes young children can see them. One doctor told the 234 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: story of a person staring deeply into the corner of 235 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: the room. A two year old boy was also in 236 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: the room and innocently looked in the corner and said, 237 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: who's that sitting over there? As he saw a person too. 238 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: A hospice worker was in a room with a lady 239 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: who happily shouted out, when did you get here? The 240 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: worker says, I've been here all day. The woman replied, 241 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: not you, George. She kept looking past the hospice worker 242 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: with a big smile on her face, talking to her husband, George, Oh, 243 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: you look so good. The woman passed away the following day. 244 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: Experience shows that a parent or spouse are the most 245 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: likely to show up during a visitation. Another hospice worker 246 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: tells the story of a man named Ron whose beloved 247 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: wife Becky showed up to help him cross. Ron pulled 248 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: himself up on the side rail of the hospital bed, 249 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: reached over and made a hugging motion, then laid back down, 250 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: and within minutes he died. Skeptics may say that these 251 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: are just hallucinations before dying, or that medicine or narcotics 252 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: caused them. However, deathbed visitations are different than hallucinations. They 253 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: are clear, people are lucid, and they often have a 254 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: spurt of energy during them. Unfortunately, as a loved one, 255 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: we can feel they're getting better when in reality they 256 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: are approaching their time to depart. A woman named Margaret 257 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: was in hospice and she was doing very poorly. During 258 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: that time, her son died and because of Margaret's condition, 259 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: the family decided not to tell her. She was bedridden 260 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: for weeks, but Margaret suddenly felt well enough to get 261 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: up and get dressed. Her sister, Dorothy, walked into a room, 262 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: told Margaret how beautiful she looked, and asked her why 263 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: she was out of bed. Margaret's response, Charles came to 264 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: see me and told me he'd be back to take 265 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: me with him. The very next day, she passed certainly 266 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: with her son Charles by her side. Steve Kearney is 267 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: a friend of mine who spends much time as a 268 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: hospice chaplain, and as witness, many people experience these special 269 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: visitations before they pass. His own father had won such experience. 270 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: He had been in a coma for quite some time, 271 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: and one day opened his eyes, sprung to life, sat 272 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: up in the bed, and swung his legs off of 273 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: the bed as if he were going to stand up. 274 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: Of course, he was hooked up to tubes and wires, 275 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: and everybody was concerned. Steve began talking to his dad 276 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: about what he was doing. The father smiled and gazed 277 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,239 Speaker 1: past them and began speaking about how beautiful it is 278 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: over there. He described his friends and family that were there, 279 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: and even a friend who had passed weeks before while 280 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: he was in the coma. No one had told him 281 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: that his friend had passed. The father was told by 282 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: these beings that he saw that his time on earth 283 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: was short and he had to make the most of it. 284 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: Before he went home, the father asked to be dressed 285 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: in a nice suit, have his children together, watch a 286 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: football game with his favorite team, drink a chocolate milkshake, 287 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: and eat some cherry pie. Shortly thereafter, the father fell 288 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: asleep on Christmas Eve and didn't wake up. Didn't wake 289 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,239 Speaker 1: up in this world, that is. I recently read an 290 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: article by Stephen Wagner, who states that deathbed visitations are 291 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: much more common than you might think, and are surprisingly 292 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: similar across nationalities, religions, and cultures. Instances of these unexplained 293 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: visions have been recorded throughout history and stand as one 294 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: of the most compelling proofs of life after death. One 295 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: of the first to examine the subjects seriously was Sir 296 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: William Barrett, a professor of physics at the Royal College 297 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: of Science in Dublin. In ninety six, he published a 298 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: summation of his findings in a book titled Deathbed Visions. 299 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: In many cases he studied, he discovered some interesting aspects 300 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: of the experience that are not easily explained. It was 301 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: not uncommon for the dying people who saw these visions 302 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: to identify friends and relatives who they thought were still living. 303 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: But in each case, according to Barrett, it was later 304 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: discovered that these people were dead. Now remember communications in 305 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: those days weren't what they are today, and it might 306 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: have taken weeks or even months to learn that a 307 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: friend or a loved one had died. Barrett found it 308 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: curious that children quite often expressed surprise at the angels 309 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: that they saw in their dying moments, and the angels 310 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: did not have wings. If the deathbed vision is just 311 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: a hallucination, wouldn't a child see an angel as it 312 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: is most often depicted in art and literature, with large, white, 313 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: fluffy wings. More extensive research into these mysterious visions was 314 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: carried out in the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies by 315 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: Dr Carlos Ossis of the American Society for Psychical Research. 316 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: In this research and for a book he published in 317 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven titled At the Hour of Death, OSIS 318 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: considered thousands of case studies and interviewed more than a 319 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: thousand doctors and nurses and others who attended the dying. 320 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: The work found some fascinating consistencies. Although some dying people 321 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: report seeing angels and other religious figures, the vast majority 322 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: claimed to see familiar people who had previously passed away. 323 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: Very often, the friends and relatives seen in these visions 324 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: expressed directly that they have come to help take them away. 325 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: The dying person is reassured by these experiences and expresses 326 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: great happiness with the visions. Contrast this with the confusion 327 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: or fear that a non dying person would experience at 328 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: seeing a ghost. The dying also seemed quite willing to 329 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: go with these apparitions. The dying person's mood, even state 330 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: of health, seems to change during these visions. A once 331 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: depressed or pain riddle person is overcome with elation and 332 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: momentarily relieved of pain until death strikes. The people having 333 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: these experiences do not seem to be hallucinating or be 334 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: in an altered state of consciousness. Rather, they appear to 335 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: be quite aware of the real surroundings and conditions. Whether 336 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: or not the dying person believes in an afterlife is 337 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: totally irrelevant. The experience and reactions are the same. A 338 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: documented case by the Journal of the Society for Psychic 339 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: Research details and apparition that was seen by a dying woman, 340 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: Harriet Pearson. Her three relatives who are in the room 341 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: also saw this apparition. If you're interested more about this, 342 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: you can look up William Peters and the Shared Crossing 343 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: Project and Dr Raymond Moody's book Glimpses of Eternity. There 344 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: are many cases that the loved ones also see the 345 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: same person in one of these deathbed visitations. A couple 346 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: of books that you might enjoy. It's a book by 347 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: Carlo Wills Brandon called One Last Hug Before I Go. 348 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: The Mystery and Meaning of Death Bed Visions and Signposts 349 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: of the Dying by Martha Joe Atkins, PhD. Can they 350 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: be explained? As a skeptic? I always thought that this 351 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: was just part of the dying brain, and perhaps it's 352 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: the medication that the person is on. But some studies 353 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: have shown that visitations can occur even when a person 354 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: is not on any medication at all. Now there's something 355 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: else very interesting. Many say that our souls can depart 356 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: our bodies before death. For us, it can seem terrible 357 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: watching our loved ones suffer just before passing, but in reality, 358 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: their souls have already arrived home. Sources in the afterlife 359 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: and those who have had near death experiences can confirm this. 360 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: My poor dad suffered terribly the final days of his life, 361 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: and I have heard from numerous sources that he left 362 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: his body before he died, and he has no memory 363 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: of the pain. I sure hope so even folks that 364 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: have dementia or Alzheimer's can check out early, or they 365 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: spend time in the afterlife between moments of being lucid 366 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: here on earth. I want to introduce you to my 367 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: friend Maurice Israel. Having dinner at one of my we 368 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: Don't Die conferences in Florida, I sat next to Maurice 369 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: and quickly fell in love with his infectious personality. I 370 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: found out that we both share the same birthday of 371 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: April eighth. I also found out that he's a hospice 372 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 1: nurse and a psychic medium and had to ask him 373 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: how he got on both paths. This episode is the 374 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: perfect place to share it with you, and you'll hear why. 375 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. When I first moved to Florida 376 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: was one of those things where I was doing a 377 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: little bit of soul searching to see what I wanted 378 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: to do as far as career wise and what life 379 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: was going to bring me. And nursing was not a 380 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: path I originally had considered, but the more that I 381 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: thought about it, the more I felt that it was 382 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: something that I really wanted to step towards and step 383 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: into because I just I love people, wanted to give 384 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: back in an in an ideal way, in a way 385 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: that way I felt a little bit unique. So I 386 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: stepped onto that pass and just went forward and didn't 387 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: stop nothing that was interesting. Right about the same time 388 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: that I started that, I was having all kinds of 389 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: what I would call strange situations happening in my own life, 390 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: showing me that there was another life, that there was 391 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: there were other souls around us. I was having experiences 392 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: with the spirit world, which I couldn't identify at the time, 393 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: because if I'm honest with you, I have to say 394 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: it was a little bit terrifying for me because the 395 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: way the way that I was raised, you didn't deal with, 396 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, the spirit world and that kind of thing. 397 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: So as that door began to open, I'll be honest, 398 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: I ran from it in the beginning. It then the 399 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: right people seemed to come in to kind of guide 400 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: me along the past. How did it start that? Did 401 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: you start like knowing things about people or yeah, it 402 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: was all psychic at the beginning. Um, it's just like 403 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: meeting certain people and then some of those people were 404 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: psychic and then realizing that that had a bit of 405 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: an ability. But the biggest thing from me, I think 406 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: was I had a lot of prophetic dreams in the 407 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: very beginning, um dreams that I would be. I would 408 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: have the dream like a few days before and then 409 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: go stand somewhere and actually watched the dream unfold. And 410 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: that was actually something that happened through my whole life. 411 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: But it got stronger and stronger as things began to 412 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: really get to a head. And then from there I 413 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: started investigating, started reading books because like I said, it 414 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: made me very nervous. In the beginning, I wasn't sure 415 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: what this was. And then I went and studied the 416 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: Akashic records and learned about them and learned how to 417 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: work with them. And from there met another group of 418 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: people who were more into mediumship. And one of the 419 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: women that I met actually looked at me and said, well, 420 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: you need to come and learn about what you're working with. 421 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: And she was going over to England to the Office 422 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: Friendly College to study, right, And she came back and 423 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: told me all about the Autor Family College. And fortunately enough, 424 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: about six months later I was able to make that 425 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: first trip happen. And that's how it all began for 426 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: me With the Medium show. We'll be back to hear 427 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 1: more from Maurice. In just a minute. 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Visit red Cross dot org or call 447 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: red Cross. Hey, it's producer Tom of Coast to Coast 448 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: AM and you're listening to Shades of the Afterlife with 449 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: Sander Champlain on the new I Heart Media and Coast 450 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. Don't forget you can 451 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: listen to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart 452 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find your favorite show. 453 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain 454 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: and we are talking to Maurice Israel, hospice nurse and medium. Maurice, 455 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: when you got involved with nursing, how did you choose 456 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: working with hospice. It's interesting I have to say to you, 457 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: I definitely believe it was my influence from this spiritual 458 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: work that took me in that direction. Because when I 459 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: first got when I first became a nurse, the last 460 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: thing I ever wanted to do was to work in hospice. 461 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't it was the furthest thing from my mind. Um, 462 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: I hadn't hadn't had much many of my own experiences 463 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: but death in my own life. It wasn't an area 464 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: that I really wanted to go into because my in 465 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: my physical world, I've just seen it as it's a 466 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: place of sadness and dooming gloom, and people are dying 467 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: all day long and about whatever. I want to put 468 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: my time into that because I don't want to be 469 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: sad all the time. I mean, those were my viewpoints 470 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: and I remember so clearly. But after I was in there, 471 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: sing gosh, I would say, I've been in nursing probably 472 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: eight nine years and and started to realize, Okay, I'm 473 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: doing this type of work, but I know there's something 474 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: still missing for me. And as I started to look 475 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: around to really see where I wanted to work, I 476 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: realized that I was kind of getting a pull there. 477 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: Over and over and over again. It was like this. 478 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: I kept coming back to hospice and coming back to 479 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: hospices and finally asked, you know what, I need to 480 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: give this a try and just step into that arena 481 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: and see if it really works for me. Um that 482 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: was about gosh, that was I guess almost fourteen years ago. Now, 483 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: so I think I've found where I'm supposed to be. Now, 484 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: can you just explain a little bit about what hospices 485 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: I think many of us know our kind of associate 486 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: hospice was a place to go when you're dying, but 487 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: not necessarily more than that, right I mean hospice, I 488 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: mean the real focus of hospice. It's yet it's people 489 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: for people that are considered to be at the end 490 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: of life. UM. A lot of people, unfortunately have the 491 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: view of hospice that it's a place where you go 492 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: and they medicate you and they end your life and 493 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: take you away. But the real view of hospice are 494 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: that how I see hospice and over my years of experience, 495 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: it's a place where people go who are considered to 496 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: be end of life. But it's a place where doctors 497 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: do medicate patients to help to control symptoms. But it's 498 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: also a place to help to maintain the quality of 499 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: life for as long as possible so they can enjoy 500 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: their final days, not just for themselves, but to connect 501 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: to family, to get things done they need to get 502 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: done while they here are on the earth, but also 503 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: to help them sometimes find that time that are that 504 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: place of spiritual peace, are getting to a place within 505 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: themselves where the death is actually okay. UM. But the 506 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: other side of hospice as well, is there are people 507 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: there to actually help the families and the family members 508 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: try to move in to a place to understand or 509 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: begin to cope with their grief, so they also can 510 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: move into a place where Okay, I'm not okay with 511 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: this debt, but I'm gonna get to a place within 512 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: myself where I may be able to accept this a 513 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: little bit better and it may make things a little 514 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: bit easier. I mean, hospice challenges a lot of people. 515 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of things over the years, but 516 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me is when we're able to 517 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: help the families and the patients to kind of move 518 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: forward and you can kind of see the shift sometimes 519 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: from beginning to their time of transition. It makes a difference. 520 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: I really applaud you and the people you work with 521 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: in all hospice workers as well. I would absolutely love 522 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: my final days having you around and having a cosmopolitan 523 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: or something together. And that's the way. That's the way 524 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be at the end. To whatever the 525 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: person wants, whatever they desire, we try to make those 526 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: things happen. Oh, I love it. Do you have any 527 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: stories from working in hospice. I've heard from many a 528 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: couple you know that there are sometimes last breaths, you know, 529 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: people come or whatever stories you have, I think they 530 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: give us a lot of faith that we don't die. Yeah, 531 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I have a couple. There are a few 532 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: that come to mind as you ask me that I 533 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: remember working in the family my very early days in 534 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: hospice UM, when I just was really working with these 535 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: abilities and really learning to use them. There was a 536 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: family where the mom was actually the patient and she 537 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: was at a place where she was about to actually 538 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: transition UM. And I just remember sitting there and looking 539 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: at the family all around the bed and just watching 540 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: the mom and looking at the mom. She looked very 541 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: peaceful in the bed. But I also recall that about 542 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: an hour before the mom's body, um, the physical body 543 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: stop breathing, I remember looking in the corner to see 544 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: the mom standing in the corner, and I'm sure that 545 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: the gentle in his hand that she was holding was 546 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: actually the father of those same children, because through talking 547 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: to them afterwards, I oh, you know, as your because 548 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: he wasn't there at the bedside, so you invest to 549 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: get a little bit. But I can't really say what 550 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: is that I'm seeing because of the difference in belief systems, 551 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: I just can't come out and say, well, I saw 552 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: your mom and she was at an hour before, so 553 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: you guys are okay, and you know she's really okay. 554 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: You can't say those things. But that was at least 555 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: an hour ahead of time. And I'm sitting there and 556 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: I'm looking in the corner. Thing. That's like one of 557 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: the most amazing things because when you first started this 558 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: work and the mediumship as well, you don't know what 559 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: you're going to actually experience. So that was one of 560 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: the beautiful things. So that brought me a little bit 561 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: of comfort also because I know in hospice I've seen 562 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: a few people that have also had challenging depths. UM. 563 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: I had a woman UM who was having a very 564 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: difficult time, so we thought leaving her body, which I 565 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: know she was challenged a little bit spiritually because we 566 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: had called people into assist her. And she was also 567 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: another one who was struggling towards the end, and and 568 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: her son was in the room with her, and I 569 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: just remember looking at him and talking to him, and 570 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: she was having trouble breathing and she was really beginning, 571 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: you know, those those symptoms of the end of life 572 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: could be very challenging for people. The gurgling and all 573 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: the things that we see on the physical levels what 574 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: causes the most angst. So I'm watching this woman and 575 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm listening to the gurgling and seeing everything. But it's 576 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: interesting because before she got to that place, right before, 577 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: she had mentioned the name of someone um who she 578 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: had was her brother, which is the young man's uncle, 579 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: And she said the name right before she gone, He said, 580 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: I said to mos Sais, who was the person she 581 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: had mentioned? She gave me a name, And well, I 582 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: looked over once again. I looked over to the side 583 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: of the bed as her body is going through this, 584 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: and she's standing next to a gentleman, her spiritself in 585 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: the corner. And I even said to himself, when you 586 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: around what age, what he had died, what he had 587 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: looked like, you know, asking little questions which people don't 588 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: catch on too at that time because they're caught up 589 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: in the other moment. But it was definitely who she 590 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: had seen and spoken the name of prior to letting go. 591 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: But once again, her physical body was going through what 592 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: it had to go through to transition, but that soul 593 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: was already up and out I mean, if there's so 594 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: many stories like that. Most of the people that I've 595 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: worked with, especially right at the edge, and even some 596 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: like friends i've worked with, like their family because they 597 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: know what I do. Um A couple of them have 598 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: called me to come in with the grandmom's granddad, things 599 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: like that, and they'll start to say to you, they're 600 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: talking about this person that person, and you actually see 601 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 1: because of my ability, I can see sometimes see them 602 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 1: or sense them right there. And a couple of times 603 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: I've even been able to give like a name or 604 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: two before they did, so the person. It's a validation 605 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: for the people in the room. That's pretty wild right there. Yeah, 606 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: but it does make a difference for me. I'm just 607 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: glad that I'm able to do that. It's not something 608 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: that you knows as you're growing up. You so I 609 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: wish I could do this later, But now that it's 610 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 1: something that I am able to do, I'm very happy 611 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: that I'm able to bring that to people. Absolutely, And 612 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: you've really built a I want to say, a toolbox. 613 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: But all your experiences from Arthur Finley College, studying, mediumships, studying, nursing, 614 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: being with people, Akashic records, healing, It's all built a 615 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: foundation for you that you can be totally present to 616 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: whatever situation you need to be in and the right 617 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: information comes forward. Maurice, I want to just touch a 618 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: little bit upon something you mentioned is that the soul 619 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: can check out of the body before the body dies. 620 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that, because I 621 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: know for myself my dad went through a very awful 622 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: death or my dad's body lots of pain turning up 623 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: the medication. You know, you could tell and hear how 624 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: much he was in pain, and all I could pray 625 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: for is that he had already left. It was very, very, 626 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: very hard to be with. But I but I had 627 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: never heard that before that sometimes our soul can check out, 628 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: because I just hate to feel that my dad was 629 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: feeling all that pain. Yeah, I mean, I have another 630 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: experience where I have a young man, a child actually, 631 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: I want to say it was about eleven years old 632 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: that um, one of the other women that I worked 633 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: with when I really got into this work, was there 634 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 1: with me and he was unfortunately was a burden victim 635 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: at that age, and what was going on with him 636 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: is that he was slipping in and out of a 637 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: coma during the time prior to his death, UM, and 638 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: it was like his body, I mean, is just a horrible, 639 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: horrible situation. And at that time when you first learned 640 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: about medium, but I didn't know any better. So she 641 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: didn't tell me any details about him, UM prior to 642 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: asking me about him, and Maury, C, can you pick 643 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: up and tell me a little bit about what's going 644 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: on with him? About his death? So one thing that 645 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: I learned during that time, even I was able to 646 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: connect him on a spiritual level and give her some 647 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: information and not knowing the whole entire situation around it. 648 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: He came in, he showed us some of the like 649 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: the toys he had played with as a child, some 650 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: of the experiences they shared together. And that was that 651 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: was weeks before he actually died. So for me, I 652 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: believe that during that time when he was would have 653 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: been struggling and suffering in that bed, filled up on 654 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: all those medications. That I do believe that his I 655 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: feel my belief system is that his spirit was actually 656 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: up and on that body, UM and actually free of 657 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: the actual experience that was going on there. Now, do 658 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: I believe that he stayed out of the body. No, 659 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: because I believe they were tying where he went back where, 660 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: because she told me towards end that there were times 661 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: where he had come around a little bit where they 662 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: had lessened some of the medication so he could open 663 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: his eyes and to reconnect with that prior to his death. 664 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: But because I was able to get him a few 665 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: different times the way that I was and actually get 666 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: a true sense of him, It's just for me, it 667 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: was comforting to know that he was I felt he 668 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: was free during those periods of determinant. There are different 669 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: people say different things, but I can only go from 670 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: my own experiences. Yeah, and I hear too with Alzheimer's 671 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: dementia patients as well, that they can come back in 672 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: and out of their bodies too, you know, their soul 673 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: can as well. And and even I hear stories from 674 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 1: other people um that there's some moments of clarity just 675 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: before or there can be just before one's body transitions 676 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 1: that people have sat up in their bed, open their eyes. 677 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: You know, even if they're drugged up or even if 678 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: they've been checked out. You know, with Alzheimer's or something 679 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: like that, that there are these moments of clarity just 680 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: before they go. And you know, where does that come from. 681 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: That happens quite often in hospice where someone will be 682 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: in a place where you look at them for a 683 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,959 Speaker 1: few days or longer, where they just look like they're 684 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: on that edge and they're about to go, and then 685 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: they really do have that period where all of a 686 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: sudden they stood up, they look around, they talk to 687 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 1: family members again, and the families aren't unfortunate under the impression, 688 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they're getting better, They're doing so much better. 689 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,919 Speaker 1: But that's not necessarily the case for most of them. 690 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: It's just that there they move. I don't know what 691 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: it is, the energetic thing I feel when they move 692 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: into that space where it's like they're giving you those 693 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: last few moments of hello, goodbye, and I want to 694 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: let you all know I'm still here. But then usually 695 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: within a day or two after they let go and 696 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,919 Speaker 1: actually do transition. We'll be back and hear a few 697 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: more thoughts from Maurice and also talk with Dr Karen Wyatt, 698 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: hospice physician and author of Seven Lessons for the Living 699 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: from the Dyeing. Do you have any stories of deathbed visitations? 700 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear them. 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You're listening to Shades of 723 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain on the new I Heart 724 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: Media and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network, and 725 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: don't forget you can listen to Shades of the Afterlife 726 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 727 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades of 728 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain and we are talking to 729 00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,439 Speaker 1: Maurice Israel, hospice nurse and medium. Maurice, there's so much 730 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: fear about death and dying. I was listening to an 731 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 1: audiobook yesterday that suggested we replace the word fear with faith, 732 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: and it asked us to consider how our actions would 733 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: change if we could have the faith about living and 734 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: dying that we are surrounded by people that love us. 735 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: Then may be invisible to us now, but before we 736 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: take our last breath, they become visible to take us home. 737 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 1: I think we'd live much different lives. What do you think? 738 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: I feel that as accurate through life, you know, through 739 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: your own, through my own experience and even experience with 740 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: the people around me. Fear is paralyzing and sometimes you 741 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 1: don't even know that it's your fear that's holding you 742 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: back into you truly investigate and take a look at 743 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: the situation and to see where you are when you 744 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: step on on faith and just know you're going to 745 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: be protected and know that the spirit well, especially because 746 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: like you said, you do have an a visible team 747 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,720 Speaker 1: behind you, but just that most of us don't connect 748 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: to them. But when you get into that mindset that 749 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: I know I'm going to be protected and I'll be 750 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: taking care of I'm stepping out to do good things 751 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: for myself and others, and just stepping out into the 752 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 1: world to see what can be brought to me. As 753 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: you shift that energy, there's another there's a collective energy 754 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,799 Speaker 1: within the universe that comes in to meet you head 755 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 1: on the same way. If you project fear out there, 756 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: that's what you that's actually what you project out into 757 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: the universe, and that's what you bring on as well. 758 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 1: So if you can shift it and just step even 759 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: take those baby steps if you're afraid, huge huge shifts 760 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,720 Speaker 1: take place, not even just for you, but for everyone 761 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: around you, because as you encounter and have amazing experiences, 762 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: those around you connected to you also evolve and shift 763 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 1: and have some of those experiences with you, especially as 764 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: you share your stories, because it helps to bring faith 765 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: to other people. Maurice, thank you so much for taking 766 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 1: the time to talk with us today. You are so welcome. 767 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: It was such a he to spend this time with you. 768 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: You have no idea, Oh, I feel the same way. 769 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 1: I'd now like to introduce you to Dr Karen Wyatt, 770 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 1: who is the best selling author of the book Seven 771 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: Lessons for Living from the Dying, which contains stories of 772 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: patients she cared for as a hospice doctor and the 773 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: spiritual lessons she learned from them at the end of 774 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 1: their lives. Dr Wyatt also hosts End of Life University podcast, 775 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: which features conversations with experts who work in all aspects 776 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 1: of end of life care. She teaches that in order 777 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 1: to live life fully, we must each overcome our fear 778 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: of death and embrace the difficulties that life brings us. 779 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,320 Speaker 1: And you can find out more about Dr Karen at 780 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: Karen Wyatt MD dot com or the End of Life 781 00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: University's website is e o L University dot com dot Karen. 782 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Thank you, Sandra, it's 783 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: such a pleasure to be here talking with you. Oh, 784 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: pleasure to have you big smile on my face. Tell 785 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 1: us a little bit about you and how your journey began. 786 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you. Well, um, So I can tell 787 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: you my entire life story, because as I see looking 788 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,319 Speaker 1: back at it, I see how all the pieces fit 789 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: together of various times in my life. But I'll start 790 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: when I was a young doctor, trained in family medicine 791 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 1: to just do a general practice and take care of 792 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: patients of all ages. And there was a sudden tragedy 793 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,760 Speaker 1: in my life when my father died by suicide, And 794 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, it was absolutely devastating to me 795 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: to have him die in that way, to have him 796 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: really make that choice of how and when to end 797 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: his own life. And but particularly because I felt extremely 798 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,319 Speaker 1: guilty as a doctor, or I'd had training in behavioral 799 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,359 Speaker 1: medicine and I had helped a lot of patients who 800 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,320 Speaker 1: were suicidal and depressed and couldn't help. My own father, 801 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,720 Speaker 1: who was one of the people I loved the most 802 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: in the world, just absolutely tore me apart, and I 803 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: really started to question, like, am I doing the right thing? 804 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: Should I even be a doctor? I must be terrible 805 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: at it. I couldn't help my dad, and so so 806 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,319 Speaker 1: I suffered with a lot of guilt and grief and 807 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: just confusion about why am I, Why am I here, 808 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: and what am I doing? And why did all of 809 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,400 Speaker 1: this happen? And it took me about three years of 810 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: being really lost in all those negative emotions before I 811 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: one day I had this inspiration in my head to 812 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: call hospice. And at that time I wasn't even sure 813 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: what hospice did or what it was about, but I 814 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,319 Speaker 1: called to see if they could use a volunteer who 815 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: happened to be a doctor. And as it turned out, 816 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 1: the director that I spoke to that day said, I 817 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,319 Speaker 1: don't know why you called us, but thirty minutes ago 818 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,400 Speaker 1: our medical director resigned and we are not able to 819 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: keep our doors open if we don't have a doctor 820 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: working with us, and she said, and then you show up. 821 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: And so it's like in that moment I started, I 822 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: became a volunteer for that hospice, and it was like 823 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: such a divine spark in a way, and it turned 824 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: out to be exactly what I needed to help me 825 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: through my grief and through that process by just kind 826 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: of diving into death and dying and grief of the 827 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: families and the patients that I was caring for. I 828 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: healed my grief. I learned so much about the spiritual 829 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: journey of life and the end of life and facing 830 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 1: death and learning also something I already believed in or 831 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: or new was aware of um the afterlife, but being 832 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: able to see exam bull over and over again with 833 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: my patients of these incredible experiences they were having as 834 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,320 Speaker 1: they approached death, it just completely changed everything in my life. 835 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,880 Speaker 1: So I ended up becoming a full time hospice doctor 836 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,319 Speaker 1: and and I just I fell in love with the 837 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: work and it helped me become the person I was 838 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: meant to be. And so today I'm no longer practicing medicine. 839 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,879 Speaker 1: I retired so that I could start writing books and 840 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,919 Speaker 1: speaking and doing a podcast because I felt this need 841 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,759 Speaker 1: to help educate people beyond just one one on one 842 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: work with patients individually. So so that's how I got 843 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: here to where I am today. Amazing, amazing. I just 844 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,280 Speaker 1: if I had a hat, i'd be taking it off 845 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,320 Speaker 1: to you right now for really your commitment to people. 846 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,320 Speaker 1: Could you share with us some of those stories about 847 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:59,200 Speaker 1: experiences people had before passing. Oh, yes, I saw many 848 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,920 Speaker 1: patients like like what I What I came to observe, 849 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 1: how I would describe it or how it appeared to me, 850 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: was that the physical body was beginning to dissolve the 851 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 1: way in a sense, as if it was becoming less 852 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: and less solidants and material in a way, and the 853 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,399 Speaker 1: soul was becoming predominant for those patients who were very 854 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: close to death. And when they reached that point, so 855 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: many of the patients would talk about seeing their loved 856 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 1: ones who were in the room, who came and were 857 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,839 Speaker 1: waiting for them, and they were very, very comforted by 858 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,799 Speaker 1: the visions that they had. Some of them talked with 859 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: their loved ones and would describe conversations they had had. 860 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 1: Others just talked about seeing a beautiful light, seeing and 861 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:52,960 Speaker 1: feeling love. And for those patients who had those experiences, 862 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,279 Speaker 1: their fear seemed to completely disappear, and they had this 863 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: beautiful aura of light about them and seemed to be 864 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: completely at peace as they were completing this physical journey 865 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,359 Speaker 1: here on earth. And it was so reassuring to sit 866 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,279 Speaker 1: with them and listen to them talk and tell their stories, 867 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 1: and it validated what I had understood from a very 868 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,320 Speaker 1: young age that there's something more here than this physical existence. 869 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: And so all of that came together for me as 870 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 1: well by having this opportunity to sit with them. Um 871 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,960 Speaker 1: dtr whyatt There's so many people and I used to 872 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 1: be one of them that used to think, Oh, the 873 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,839 Speaker 1: seeing the light is just a natural part of their 874 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 1: brain shutting down. This is just coming from If I 875 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,799 Speaker 1: was skeptical listening to this, how would you know it 876 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,040 Speaker 1: was their loved ones? Or what what comforts you knowing 877 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 1: that the afterlife is real? Or is it just a faith? Well, Um, 878 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess it's a I guess. I can't 879 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,080 Speaker 1: say for any individual person that I would know that 880 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 1: it was their loved ones. But there were some really 881 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 1: interesting occurrences. And in one case, our patient was a 882 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,959 Speaker 1: man with Alzheimer's who at the very in the very 883 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 1: end stages of Alzheimer's, had not spoken for a year. 884 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,439 Speaker 1: He had not been capable of speech for one year, 885 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,840 Speaker 1: so he had not not spoken to anyone or spoken 886 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,759 Speaker 1: to his wife at all, and we were caring for 887 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: him in the very last days of his life. When 888 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 1: I came to visit one day, his wife was so 889 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,960 Speaker 1: excited and she said, something happened last night. I have 890 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,239 Speaker 1: to tell you about it. And she said, John was 891 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,959 Speaker 1: asleep in his room and I was in the next room, 892 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,600 Speaker 1: and in the middle of the night, I heard a 893 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 1: voice talking. And she said, I got up and went 894 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,160 Speaker 1: into John's room. That I thought, thinking, did someone come 895 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,920 Speaker 1: in in the middle of the night, And she said 896 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 1: it was John And he was speaking, she said, and 897 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,760 Speaker 1: it was his voice. It was him. He was totally 898 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,920 Speaker 1: articulate and totally lucid and speaking, and he was talking 899 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 1: to his brother who had died several years before. And 900 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,720 Speaker 1: he said they were having a conversation back and forth, 901 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 1: and and so in that case, it's a case where 902 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:21,840 Speaker 1: we had observed medically deterioration and decline in this patient's 903 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 1: brain functioning, and yet he was still able to speak 904 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,399 Speaker 1: when he was in this state, as he was very 905 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,839 Speaker 1: close to death. And so she knew from his conversation 906 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,719 Speaker 1: it was his brother he was talking to, calling him 907 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 1: by name, described they were talking about past experiences they 908 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: had had. He was laughing and reminiscing, and so so 909 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: hearing that story and hearing her say, I know that 910 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:52,439 Speaker 1: his brother was here. I know his brother's waiting for him, Uh, 911 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: that fits like that is congruent with what I believe 912 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: and what I've experienced in my life, And so I 913 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,560 Speaker 1: guess I and say I could say it's based not 914 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 1: just on a belief, but on some of my own 915 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 1: experiences with um having dreams and visions of people that 916 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,720 Speaker 1: I love and care about after they died. Over time, 917 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,280 Speaker 1: I began to gather their stories because they were so powerful, 918 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: and I would journal every day and write down some 919 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,759 Speaker 1: of the stories patients have told me. And one day 920 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,640 Speaker 1: a patient said to me, you know, I have just 921 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,640 Speaker 1: learned the most profound lessons of my entire life. And 922 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,720 Speaker 1: he said, what makes me sad is that I'll only 923 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 1: be here a short while longer, and I won't be 924 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: able to share this, this knowledge and this wisdom with 925 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,160 Speaker 1: other people. And he said to me, would you tell 926 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,279 Speaker 1: my story? When would you teach other people what I 927 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,439 Speaker 1: have learned? And I made a promise to him that 928 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 1: day that I would. And so I knew in that 929 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 1: moment some day I will write about this. Someday I'll 930 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 1: write a book or something. I'll write these stories, and 931 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,400 Speaker 1: I'll be the voice for my patients who didn't have 932 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,360 Speaker 1: the opportunity to teach other people with what they were learning. Well, Karen, 933 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being our guest today. Oh 934 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,879 Speaker 1: you're so welcome. Sandra, thank you for inviting me. It's 935 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 1: been a pleasure. And I'd like to sincerely thank you 936 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,120 Speaker 1: our listeners for joining us. This is Sandra Champlain and 937 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,799 Speaker 1: you've been listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the 938 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,560 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a M paranormal 939 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 1: podcast network. And if you like this episode of Shades 940 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,399 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife, wait until you hear the next one. 941 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the I Heart Radio and 942 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,800 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast, a M paranormal podcast network.