1 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Hey, Fanaritos, Welcome back to How Rude Tantritos. I'm Andrea 2 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: Barber and I'm back with another episode of TGIF. Thank Goodness, 3 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm fifty, a series I created to reconnect with some 4 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: of our favorite eighties and nineties friends as we all 5 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: navigate this big milestone together. And today's guest is a 6 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: familiar face you definitely know and love. She played Nicole 7 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: on the NBC sitcom My Two Dads and Dana Foster 8 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: on Step by Step, the sharp, no nonsense girl who 9 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to speak her mind. These days, she's a 10 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: deputy district attorney and law professor in Los Angeles. She 11 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: traded the soundstage for the courtroom and if you grew 12 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: up Jean Dana Foster, you saw this coming. Please welcome 13 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: to the pod. Stacy Keenan, Hello, Hi, Hi. Oh look 14 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: at you look very dramatic right now, like you're doing 15 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: a self tape for a drama on NBC. 16 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: Thank you. That is the goal. Yeah, We've got the 17 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: big sound blanket going. 18 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: It keeps down the sound of the you know, one 19 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 3: hundred and forty pound dog and all the other things 20 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: in the house. 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: Oh nice, nice, is this where you record. Is this 22 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: how you do your recording for your podcast with Christine? 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: You know? Sometimes? 24 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we we record audio like this, you know, 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: sound wise, but then video we have a few different 26 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: you know setups. 27 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: Oh nice, nice. Yeah, Well, thank you so much for 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: joining me today. I am so excited to talk to you. 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: The last time we saw each other was last October 31 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: at Christine Lincoln's house for an episode of your podcast, 32 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: Keenan and Lincoln. I give you day jau vu. That's 33 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: a mouthful. It was your friend's I mean episode, which 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: was so fun. We talked about everyone hates turkey except 35 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: for me, apparently. I don't know why because it's a 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: great meal at Thanksgiving. But that's okay. I will forgive everyone. 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for having me, and it's 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: always really fun to talk to you. 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: Well, thank you thinking of me. 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm doing this new little segment series for 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: my Haward tan Rito's podcast because I'm turning fifty this summer, 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: so it started and thank you. And there's a lot 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: of us that grew up on nineties shows who have 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: either recently hit this milestone or about to hit this milestone. 45 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: So I thought let's just talk about it. So I said, 46 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: this is TGIF. Thank goodness, I'm fifty, and I want 47 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: to talk to you about it because I know you 48 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: turned fifty last summer, right, and so you are a 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: veteran now of being a fifty year old. Tell me 50 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: what was it like? Did you do anything special to 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: mark the day or did you just kind of, you know, 52 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: did it just quiet lea passed by without a lot 53 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: of to do. 54 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: No, I think I think for fifty you have to do. 55 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: You have to do something big, if at all possible. 56 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: So my husband took me to Tahiti. That was art. 57 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: We love Tahiti, we love French Polynesia. So we went 58 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: to a little island called Tahaa. 59 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: It was glorious. 60 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: Oh wow, Yeah, So are you planning something big? 61 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: Oh no, I am so in my head about this milestone. 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: I've gone through multiple scenarios. I started off thinking, I'm 63 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: gonna go see New Kids on the Block in Vegas 64 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: for my fiftieth because that's my favorite boy band from 65 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, from the nineties till now. They've been my favorite. 66 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: So that seemed like the natural thing to do. I'm like, 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring all my friends and go to Vegas. 68 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: But the more I thought about it, the more stressed 69 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: I got. Because my birthday is July third, and so 70 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: the fourth of July weekend is a terrible time to 71 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: travel or go anywhere. And so I'm like, God, Vegas 72 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: sounds terrible for July fourth weekend. So I'm like, maybe 73 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: I'll just go take my boyfriend friend Michael, and we'll go, 74 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, to like Big sur and go in a 75 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: cabin somewhere or a treehouse and just have a private, 76 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: little vacation. And now, but now I'm feeling guilty, like 77 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: maybe I should spend time with my kids, Like I 78 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing, So I've got a little 79 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: time to think about it. 80 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: I think you should do all of those things. 81 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: I think for the actual birthday you should probably do 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: the quiet, you know, cabin thing, because of all, because yeah, 83 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: you don't from La. You don't want to be driving 84 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 3: back and forth to Vegas. For those of you who 85 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: are not from around here, it is not a great idea. 86 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: You could be on the road for hours, days from days. Yes, 87 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: so maybe you do the cabin for your actual birthday. 88 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: Then you do a separate friends event on a different 89 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: non holiday weekend and you do this sphere and then 90 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 3: you do something with your kids, you know, before or 91 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: after the cabin weekend. 92 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: So I can just this is like, Hanka, I can 93 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: just make this a multi day celebration. I limit it 94 00:04:58,920 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: to one day. 95 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 3: Right, it's fifty so you have to you have to 96 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: make a very big deal and everything that everybody wants 97 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: to do, I say, you let them do it. 98 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I like that attitude. It's like, you know, 99 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: it's your day, make it what you want to make it. 100 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: That's great. 101 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: That's right. 102 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 3: So all the parties, all the dinners, all the trips, everything, 103 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: take advantage of all of it. 104 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: You might regret it if you don't. 105 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: Okay, that's good advice. I talked to Wilfredell a few 106 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and he's throwing a prom, the prom he 107 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: never had because he was too busy working on a 108 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: boy Mut's World. So he's like, I'm having a big 109 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: prom and like eighties nineties style, and I thought, that's fantastic. 110 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: The guy that hates birthdays and hates birthday parties is 111 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,239 Speaker 1: throwing himself a prom, so he's going big as well. 112 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, I gotta do I gotta 113 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: do something. So I like your idea, Let's do it all. 114 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: Why eliminate options when you can do it all? 115 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: Do it all? That is that is really fun. I 116 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: had a prom. 117 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: Party years ago and it was so fun. People really 118 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: went for it. They had the outfits. It was on 119 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: Nicole Tom came as a pregnant prom queen with a 120 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: whole like belly and kind of mascara running down and 121 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 3: like a Tierra smoking a cigarette. 122 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: It was it was. 123 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: Wow, that is such a funny idea. What It's been 124 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: great for the pictures. 125 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: Too, it was great. Yeah, it was great. 126 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Well, think about it and I'll let you 127 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: know what I what I decide to do. Okay, what 128 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: were your emotions as you were approaching fifty Like, were 129 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: you kind of in your head about it? Were you 130 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: dreading it? Were you looking forward to it? What was 131 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: it like? 132 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: No, I wasn't that excited for it at all. 133 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but it's actually fine now that it's 134 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 3: now that it's here, it's fine people. 135 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm starting. 136 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: To see the upsides, you know, you know, in certain ways, 137 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: certain things are getting better, So you know, I it's yeah, 138 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: I think it's just not worth the energy to to 139 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: dread it or worry about it. 140 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: Really, what are you thinking? What's your vibe? 141 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: Well, probably a mix. I know that. Candice Cameron and 142 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: Scott Weiner they were kind of in their heads too 143 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: about being fifty and they said as soon as they 144 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: turned fifty that all that angst just went away. And 145 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: they were like, Oh, it's fine, it's really not it's 146 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: not a big thing. It's just it's another year and 147 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: there's no reason to like worry about it or dread 148 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: it or ignore it, like just embrace it. So for me, 149 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: I have been kind of in my head about it, 150 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: not about feeling old or anything. I just I feel 151 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: like I've been so more introspective in my life about like, Okay, 152 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: my life is now half over, Like what do I 153 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: want the second light second half of my life to 154 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: look like? You know? Is this where I want to 155 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: be in my life? And is this what I want 156 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: to do? 157 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: You know? 158 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: So that's where, you know, the neurosis start coming out. 159 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: But doing this podcast series with all of my nineties 160 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: friends like this has been great. This is like free 161 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: therapy for me. So I thank you and all the 162 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: rest of our guests for helping talk me through all 163 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: of these emotions that I've been. 164 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: Dealing anytime, anytime. 165 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: Is there anything that you've stopped caring about since you 166 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: turned fifty that used to kind of take up a 167 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: lot of space in your head, whether that's physical or 168 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: emotional or social. 169 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: I wish more of that had fallen away. 170 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: It's so encouraging and exciting to hear people say, oh, 171 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: now that I'm this. 172 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: Age, I don't care. 173 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: I can do whatever, I can say whatever, And I 174 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: haven't reached that. I don't know if I ever will. 175 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: I think for some people that's just sort of an 176 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: impossible dream. But I think some of the people pleasing 177 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: has gone down a bit, which is really nice. I mean, 178 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: I think growing up in the business as a kid 179 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: who works. Sorry, that's my huge dog outside now parking. 180 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't hear him at also Oh good, Okay. 181 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. 182 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if this has been the case for you, 183 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: but I feel like growing up like this makes has 184 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: a tendency to make you a people pleaser for sure, 185 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 3: and it's hard to recover from that no matter what 186 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: you do later. 187 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: Have you had that, absolutely? 188 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: I think just as being actors like we just want 189 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: to be liked by everybody I wanted. So I spend 190 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: a lot of mental energy just trying to make sure 191 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to offend anybody and does everybody like me? 192 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: And it's like no, like what someone is someone's always 193 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: going to hate me, Like that's just that's just how 194 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: it is. I'm not everybody's cup of tea, and that's okay. 195 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: Put your focus on the people that do like you. 196 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: So maybe a little similar to people pleasing. But I'm 197 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: in my boundaries era, like I am all about setting 198 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: boundaries and not feeling bad about it. That's that's what 199 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm taking with me into fifties, setting boundaries and not 200 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: apologizing for it. 201 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: Oh good for. 202 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: A little more empowered. Yeah, start off on a confident note, right, 203 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: I'm getting there. I'm getting there. It's a work in progress, naturally. 204 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 3: So what's an example of that? How do you do 205 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: that without I think that's a really hard thing to do. 206 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: I think that's a very advanced skill. 207 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: It is advanced. It is advanced. I like an example 208 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: would just be I don't know, I don't want to 209 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: get too specific, but either like with my kids setting 210 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: boundaries or at work, just saying no, I'm not going 211 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: to do that, or you just just being very honest, 212 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: Like I don't feel bad about being honest, Like I'm 213 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: always kind, but I'm also very honest about my feelings. 214 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: So in whatever scenario that is work, you know, family, life, friends, 215 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm just really honest about what I'm willing to do 216 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: and not willing to do. And yeah, it's a skill. 217 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: It's like a it's like a muscle. You have to 218 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: exercise that because otherwise, if you don't use it, you 219 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: go right back into the people pleasing mode. And that's 220 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: that's not good for that's not good for anybody. That 221 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: doesn't make anybody feel good. 222 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: You know, that's great. 223 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: I've heard an interview with Gwyneth Paltrow where she talked 224 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 3: about having a coach to learn how to do. 225 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: That, really like a life coach or just a. 226 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 4: Confidence coach, or specifically, get this, a boundaries coach. So 227 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 4: this is not a therapist, this is not any of 228 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 4: those other things. Just a boundary is the way to 229 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 4: you love it, show her how to yeah, you know, 230 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 4: explain exactly what you just said, what she's willing to do, 231 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 4: which she's not willing to do. 232 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 2: But in a way that you know, feels kind and. 233 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: But you know, I kind of loved it when I 234 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: heard that, but I also just felt what a sad 235 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: what a sad testament to how as women were not 236 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: allowed to just say what it is we literally need 237 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 3: when if it's in her fifties, right, she needs a 238 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: coach to explain, you know, stuff that I think a 239 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 3: lot of men they wouldn't think twice and be they 240 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 3: wouldn't get any crap about it for just saying no, 241 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. 242 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: It's such a double standard. And you're so right that, yeah, 243 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: that's a that's a huge statement that, yeah, why why 244 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: do why do women have boundaries? Coaches? And men? Men 245 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: would laugh at that. They yeah, they just it's something 246 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: that until we get there as a society, it's this 247 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: is how it is. Women women have to work harder 248 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: at setting boundaries and being heard. It's just, unfortunately, is 249 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: how it is. But it's getting better, always getting better. 250 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: I hope. 251 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 3: So I don't know, I mean, yeah, and without somebody 252 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: saying you're a or you're you know whatever, you're a monster, 253 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: you're a beast because you said you said that. I 254 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: mean for me, you know, as a working as a 255 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 3: DA definitely helped me come along with that. 256 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: And I finally got. 257 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: To a point where, you know, because you're usually working 258 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: with a defense attorney who wants something and oftentimes you 259 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 3: cannot agree to it, you can't give it to them. 260 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: So that was one of the best things I got, 261 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: was just learning to just be able to say. 262 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: And not not. 263 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: Couching it, not I'm not comfortable doing that or not, 264 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: you know, just saying no, I'm not willing to do that. 265 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: I amaze, not willing. 266 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: So not we, not this royal we, not my office, 267 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: not my boss, nothing, just I'm not willing to do that. 268 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: And then silence just yet, no explanation, no apology, no well, 269 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: because I feelt that that that. 270 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 2: You know, which I in my twenties I would have done. 271 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: It would have been a whole Oh no, please, don't 272 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: be mad, you know, but now I just silence is 273 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: called it. 274 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: Oh the power of silence. See, silence still kind of 275 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable. That's something I still need to work 276 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: on because I'm like, I'll just ramble incoherently just to 277 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: feel awkward silence, but it's very powerful just kind of 278 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: letting that hang in hang in there, and you know, 279 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: they get to absorb your words a little bit more. 280 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I love that about you. Oh my god. Okay, 281 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: speaking of being a DA, I so love that you 282 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: are for people who have never been in a courtroom. 283 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: Tell me exactly what a district attorney does. 284 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: So, a district attorney is a public prosecutor, typically at 285 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: the county level. So here in LA it's the LA 286 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 3: DA's office. So the prosecutor is the one who and 287 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: I hope people don't aren't like, I don't know. Sometimes 288 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: I feel like people I say what I do and 289 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: people are not sure, which I don't think. I knew 290 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: what a DA or a prosecutor was until I went 291 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: to law school. 292 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: So if you're I mean, it's very common. I don't 293 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: think most people know. 294 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: But anyway, so, yeah, so you're the one who is 295 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: filing criminal charges on behalf of the people of the 296 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: state of California to say, we believe the evidence shows 297 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: that you know, a crime occurred here and this person 298 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: is the one who did it. 299 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: So that's the that's the gig. 300 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: It's filing criminal cases, making sure the voices of victims 301 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: are heard in the criminal justice process and seeking justice. 302 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: I love it. So who decides whether these cases go 303 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: to trial? Is that you in your office or is 304 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: it a judge or how who decides what's worthy of 305 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: going to trial? 306 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: That is a good question. So for a prosecutor to 307 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: file a case, there has. 308 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: To be the belief that there is enough evidence to 309 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: prove whatever the charges are to a jury beyond a 310 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: reasonable doubt. 311 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: So it can't just be we think this. 312 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: Person probably did it, or there's a high likelihood that's 313 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: the standard, which is pretty high. Now, once that case 314 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: is filed, then it's sort of a process because the 315 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: prosecution has the right to trial, defendant has a right 316 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: to trial. But ninety plus percent of cases subtle short 317 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 3: of trials, so most of the time there's going to 318 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: be a plea agreement. So in terms of whether the 319 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: case goes to trial, it's really just generally that the 320 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 3: negotiations have broken down between the two sides. So either 321 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: the defendant just wants his trial and he wants the 322 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: prosecution to have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt 323 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: to a jury and he's not going to plead, or 324 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: sometimes it's the prosecution side saying, look, this is what 325 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: we're offering, or in some cases there is no offer 326 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: from the prosecution side and just saying we we want 327 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: a jury to decide. 328 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: This, and that's okay. 329 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: If they don't like it, that's fine. If they do, 330 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: that's fine too, But we want to take our case 331 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: to a jury. 332 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: I love it. I know everybody tells you I served 333 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: on a jury once, but I have to tell you 334 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: my my jury story. Oh I did. Okay, this is 335 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: a good one. So the last time I served on 336 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: a jury was about eight years ago. It was a 337 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: criminal case in Orange County. So I was at the 338 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: Santa Ana Court and so it was an assault and 339 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: battery case. There were two defendants and so yeah, it 340 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: was like a knife situation, like somebody had been knife 341 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: allegedly by one of the defendants. And so I was 342 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: very excited I was chosen. I was very I was 343 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: like doing my civic duty. I was very proud of this. 344 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: And we got a couple of days into the trial. 345 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: But after thet he's not the plaintiff, what would he 346 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: be the victim? I guess, yeah, he'd be the victim. Yes, 347 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: the victim got up on the stand and was interviewed 348 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: and he had such a terrible performance. I guess, I mean, 349 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: it's not a performance, but he didn't present himself very 350 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: well at all. He just looked like he was lying, 351 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: he was unsure of himself. I'm just like, did anybody 352 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: coach you on this? And then when we came back 353 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: from lunch, the judge announced that they had settled out 354 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: of court. And so I'm wondering if the victim's, you know, 355 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: his demeanor on the stand was kind of a part 356 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: of the reason why they settled. I don't know. I 357 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: never I never asked why. But the other funny part 358 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: of this story is that and I was going to 359 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: ask you if you've ever been recognized in this part 360 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: of your life in court because I I was at 361 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: this jury trial or oh yeah, well in a really 362 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: weird roundabout way. So when they were doing jury questioning 363 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: before I actually got on the jury, you know, they 364 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: got all the jurors up there in the box and 365 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: then the lawyers are questioning the jury, and I guess 366 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: you're not you're not allowed to ask how old they are? 367 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: Is that like sort of a no no thing. You 368 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: can't be like, what age are you? I don't know, 369 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: or maybe this attorney was just being kind and not 370 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: asking people directly what their age is. 371 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: You're so you're saying the attorneys are not allowed to 372 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: ask the jurors. 373 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: Correct, Is that is that right? 374 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be that's just like a soul call. 375 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's socially it's kind of weird, right, 376 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 3: So you don't want to be offering towards the jurors 377 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: for one. And then second, you're not allowed to kick 378 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 3: someone off of the jury based on age. You know 379 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 3: that that you can't discriminate based on age, So if 380 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 3: you ask someone directly how old they are, it kind 381 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: of seems like you're doing that. So in less maybe 382 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: it's so it's something that pertains directly to the case. 383 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: If it's an elder abuse case. 384 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: Oh, you know, and you have a juror who looks 385 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 3: really young, but you say fect that they're much older, 386 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: like a lot of these ladies in Beverly Hills, where 387 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: you're thinking ladies probably eighty, but she looks like she's 388 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: fifty five. Yeah, you know so, But yeah, generally you 389 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: wouldn't you wouldn't be able to ask that. 390 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: It seems very socially unacceptable, which actually you might have 391 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: just answered this question for me in a roundabout way 392 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: because it was the uh was it the DA or 393 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: the defendant's attorney. M'd have been the DA. I don't 394 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: even remember. But basically this attorney she was asking a 395 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: woman who was I don't know, in her fifties. Perhaps 396 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: I'm just guessing. She said, okay, so as what does 397 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: she say? She said, are you someone who grew up? 398 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: And mind you, I'm sitting in the audience just like 399 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: two rows back, she said, are you someone that grew 400 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: up watching full House or Fuller House? 401 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 3: Oh? 402 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: And the jerky like like a few people like turned 403 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: and looked at me, and I just like went white 404 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: because I was like, what is happening? Like what I 405 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: haven't even gotten to the jury box yet, Like I 406 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: was just this quiet person in the second row and 407 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm like what. And the juror was so confused, like 408 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,959 Speaker 1: she was just like, uh, I don't understand the questions. 409 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: She hadn't even watched either show. But I think the 410 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: attorney was trying to say, you know, did you grow 411 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: up in the nineties or did you grow up in 412 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, the the aughts or whatever you know, so 413 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: it must be I think she was just trying to 414 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: maybe reference that I was in the audience. I don't 415 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: know why she asked this question. It was sound so weird. 416 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 3: It sounds like she was freaking out that you were 417 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: there and she just couldn't resist having some fun with 418 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 3: it and maybe wanted to see your reaction and then 419 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 3: maybe and then was hoping you would make your way 420 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 3: into the box so then maybe she could ask you 421 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 3: about your reaction to that question or something. 422 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 423 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. It caught me so off guard and 424 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: I was like, uh, and after the after the the 425 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: whole thing ended, you know, you're the jury's invited to 426 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: talk to the attorneys. I guess. Anyways, I walked out 427 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: and ran into her in the lobby and she was like, 428 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: I hope you don't mind I phrased the question that way, 429 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh no, it's like, it's fine. It 430 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: just was unexpected. So she was not apologetic, but she 431 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: was sensitive to that. I just thought it was so 432 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: funny and I'm like, I don't think that's a common 433 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: question you ask in court. 434 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so that one. 435 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: You were on the jury, that one I got on 436 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: the jury. Yes, that was the assault battery knife. That 437 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: was that one, so got it? 438 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: That's the one that pled in the middle. 439 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it was that one. So I know, isn't 440 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: that crazy? Have you ever had something like that happened 441 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: to you in a courtroom or anything else, you know, 442 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: related to your career? 443 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. 444 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: One of the first trials that I ever did, I 445 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: think it might have. It was either my very first 446 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: or maybe the second trial. And it was a really 447 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: new attorney. 448 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: That I was up. 449 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: I was new also, but it was a new defense 450 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 3: attorney and he wasn't a public defender, was a private 451 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: defense attorney. 452 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: And I think because it was just kind of a. 453 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: Straightforward dy So the senior attorney just let this kind 454 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 3: of newer guy do the trial, you know, to get 455 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 3: some trial experience. 456 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: Was kind of the sense that I got. Anyhow. 457 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: So he made the theme of his closing step by 458 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: step No, no, yeah, yes, So he was saying, you. 459 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: Know, step by step, the promisation is. 460 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 3: Trying to build this case, and step by step they're 461 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 3: trying to show, you know, that my client is guilty 462 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 3: for these reasons, and step by step by step you'll 463 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: see that the evidence doesn't hold up and the case 464 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 3: falls apart, and he just had this theme that he 465 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 3: was weaving through the whole thing. 466 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, like this that takes some confidence, you know, 467 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: to roll that out, and of course that's hysterical step 468 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: by step. 469 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of it was kind of ridiculous. 470 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't have much of a re action 471 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: to it. 472 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: I just thought, I don't know if your client is 473 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 3: very impressed by this right now, that. 474 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: Is such a funny story. Well, hey, you have a 475 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: great story to tell at dinner parties or icebreakers like 476 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: that is a that's a hysterical story. What brought you 477 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: into law? 478 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: Like? 479 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: Was it like a specific Were there any like famous 480 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: cases that you were inspired by, like OJ Simpson or 481 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: the Menendez brothers Or is this just a passion you've 482 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: always wanted to pursue. How did this come about? 483 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 3: I wanted to go back to school, you know, I 484 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 3: did my undergrad and I wanted to you know, I 485 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: wanted to maybe get a PhD or something like that. 486 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 3: I just I'm really into, you know, academic type of stuff. 487 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: I've always loved school, so but all of that stuff 488 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: is so impractical, you know, it can take you know, 489 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 3: my major was art, history, and it would take at UCLA, 490 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: it would take an average of twelve years to get 491 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: a PhD in our history, and then you can either 492 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 3: be an art history professor, or be a critic, or 493 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 3: be a curator. But I think there's I don't know, 494 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: maybe six jobs for curators, like in the entire world 495 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: or something. 496 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 497 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so law, I don't know. It just dawn on 498 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: me and I thought, oh, it's so short. You know, 499 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: you can do law school in three years. It's really practical. 500 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 3: You know, there's all these different things you can do 501 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: with it. And so it was a way to go 502 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: back to school but get something out of it that 503 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 3: was concrete, you know. 504 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just I knew that I wanted to 505 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 2: be a prosecutor. 506 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: So that's what I went to law school specifically to do. 507 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: And yeah, that was that was it. And I really 508 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 3: think I kind of think everybody should go to law school. 509 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: It's really helpful. 510 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: There's so many things that I learned that I'm so 511 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: glad that I know, and I think everyone should know 512 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: these things, just stuff about property law and contracts and 513 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: criminal law and our constitution. 514 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: And how it works, and you know, there's just it's 515 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: it's great. 516 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow. Well I'm related to a lot of lawyers. 517 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: My dad is an attorney, or he was, he's retired now. 518 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: My dad, my brother, my ex husband, they're all attorneys. 519 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: So my dad went to Southwestern, which you went to 520 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: South Southwestern, right, So yeah, there's a little connection there. 521 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: But so law school always terrifies me, the Socratic method, 522 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I was always too shy and 523 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: introverted to go to law school. But I would love 524 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: to learn about those things. I just don't want to 525 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: be interrogated in a classroom. 526 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: Shy and introverted. You are an actress, so. 527 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 3: With someone calls on you, you can just like pretend 528 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 3: it's a monologue, you know, play a character. 529 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: You can do it. 530 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: That's a good point, you know, if you're going to 531 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: bring out like the acting skills, I imagine serve you 532 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: very well in the courtroom as far as public speaking 533 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: and presenting a case and being articulate, like those are 534 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: some really transpirable skills. 535 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 2: I think it does. 536 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 3: I think it does in certain ways in terms of 537 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: you're used to people looking at you, You're used to 538 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: having to stand up and just do it when it's time, 539 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: even if you're nervous, and even if you're scared, you 540 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: have so many reps of just getting up and doing 541 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: it anyway. 542 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 2: You know. 543 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: I mean, a jury, I think is more intimidating than 544 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 3: an audience because there's only you know, you got twelve jurors, 545 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 3: maybe two alternates. There's it's a small group. They're staring 546 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: right at you. You're so close to them. They're just 547 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: taking you all in all the time. You know, they're 548 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 3: this captive audience. So I think that alone is really helpful. 549 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: And then you just yeah, you get certain things, you 550 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 3: get certain you know, rhythms and delivery and and you know, 551 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: it's different from the technique of acting, of course, but 552 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: I think all the skills around it are helpful. 553 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a that's an excellent point. I feel 554 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: this kindred spirit with former child actors who pivot and 555 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: leave the business, you know, because that's that's what I 556 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: would Fuller House hadn't come up, I would not be 557 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: in this business at all. I left. I left at eighteen, 558 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: and I went to college too, and found so much 559 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: fulfillment in that. So for you, what was that like 560 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: did you find were you just tired of the business 561 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: or and you want something different, or you're just like, 562 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: I just want to go a different direction. Did you 563 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: plan to come back to acting ever, like, tell me 564 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: a little bit about that. 565 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: No. 566 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 3: After the show ended, I just wasn't. I just wasn't 567 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 3: getting work that I liked or wanted. For the most part, 568 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: it was mostly stuff like that's the job, I guess 569 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 3: I'll do it. But and there were some things that 570 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 3: I was offered that I turned down because I didn't 571 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 3: want to do. You know, I didn't want to do them, 572 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 3: but I just didn't. I just I try. I was auditioning, 573 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: and I was doing theater, and I was doing voiceover, 574 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 3: and I was doing kind of independent films and stuff. 575 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 3: But a lot of it was stuff that I just thought, well, 576 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how your experience was, but 577 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: I have a feeling it was pretty good overall, right 578 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 3: on the show, and you know, working for Miller Boyette, 579 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 3: the nicest people in the world, And I just thought, yeah, 580 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: and I just I wanted I wanted a you know, 581 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 3: good job, not just any job, and not these other 582 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 3: jobs that just weren't as good. And so after trying 583 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: for a certain period of time, I just said, you know, 584 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 3: if this is the only work I can get. Then 585 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 3: I think I'm done because this is not really the 586 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 3: work that I want. So I just thought, all right, well, 587 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 3: I had a good run. You know, it's it's been 588 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 3: you know, it's been real. And I had always wanted 589 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: to go back to school anyway, so that's when I 590 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: went to law school. But I mean, look, if I 591 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: had continued to get really good jobs that I was 592 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: excited about and loved, I probably would I would not 593 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 3: have quit. 594 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: But I'm very surprised now. I think one of the best. 595 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 3: Things for me about doing this podcast with Lincoln is 596 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: I just thought, I mean, it was pre internet pretty 597 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 3: much when our show ended, and I just I just thought, oh, well, 598 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 3: no one likes me, like, no one wants to see 599 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: me in anything anymore, no one thinks I can act, 600 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: no one wants to look at me anymore or whatever. 601 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 3: And now to hear people say, oh, you know, we 602 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: thought you were great actors and we thought you were cute. 603 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: And all this, I just I I never knew that 604 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: until now. 605 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, And I think the industry, when 606 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: you're on a show like the kind of shows we 607 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 3: were on, the. 608 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: Industry doesn't think you're cool. 609 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: You know, you're not on Euphoria or The Sopranos or whatever, 610 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: and so the industry doesn't think you're cool. And I 611 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: didn't know that anyone else outside of the industry cared 612 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: at all. So I had no confidence to just go 613 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 3: in there and be like, oh, no, people want to 614 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 3: see me and I can act, so here's what's going 615 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 3: to happen. 616 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: You know. I was very like, oh. 617 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm just this lame, you know, sitcom, you know, 618 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 3: for for child actor that no one wants to see anymore. 619 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: So I just kind of, you know know, skulked off 620 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: in a way, right right. 621 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: Has it been validating for you to hear the fans 622 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: response as you do your rewatch podcasts with Christine? Do 623 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: you read comments like has it been has it been fulfilling? 624 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: Or has it just been kind of mortifying to go 625 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: back and watch yourself as a teenager on TV. 626 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: It's not mortifying anymore. 627 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 3: I never watched the show because it would have been 628 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: so mortifying at the time, But now I think it's 629 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: fun to watch it. I think it's because I have 630 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: no idea what this show was. Every time we watch 631 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: an episode to recap it for the pod. I am 632 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: shocked so many times. I had no idea who these 633 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 3: characters were with the show is about so many of 634 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 3: the dynamics, the storylines, how horny it is, so. 635 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: Many of these things just completely have blown my mind. 636 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: So it is nice. 637 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I read the comments, which you know you're not 638 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: supposed to do, but I thought it was going to 639 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 3: be terrible. I thought the comments were going to be like, 640 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: you're all that, you know, you know whatever, you know, 641 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: and it's everyone's so nice, and it's yeah, it has been. 642 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 3: It has been nice, and it has been very That's 643 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: actually the way I said that is not really accurate. 644 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 3: It has been very, very sweet and heartwarming. Is nice 645 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 3: doesn't cut it? Like, you know, the first time we 646 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: went to nineties con, I say first time. We've only 647 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: I've only been once, but it's still the first time 648 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 3: coming up. But I couldn't believe how sweet it was. 649 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: Is it? You know, because you do this work, it's 650 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: so far in the past and you just think. 651 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 3: Oh whatever, but you to learn that it still means 652 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 3: so much to people and is comforting for people, and 653 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 3: it has this warmth and nostalgia and makes them feel 654 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 3: calm and secure. 655 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: It just it still blows my mind. Yeah, I mean 656 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: you probably have had. 657 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: That, I feel this insane way. Yeah, being on TV 658 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: in the nineties, there was no fan interaction like this. 659 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: There's a social media, there were no conventions, and so 660 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: get to hear all of it now and people are 661 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: so kind. But they also it's almost like they're meeting 662 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: a long lost sister. They're like, I grew up with you. 663 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: I know, you know, they feel this this kinship with you, 664 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: and they just want to hug you, and it just 665 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: it feels so good. And I thought I had no 666 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: idea that my character, you know, and I had a 667 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: wacky character, Kimmy Gibler. I was like, oh, nobody likes me. 668 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 2: But no, a lot of people did. 669 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: It was amazing, people like I was the weird one 670 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: growing up and Kimmy Gibbler made me feel good about myself. 671 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: And it's been very validating for me as an adult 672 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: to get to watch the show again and relive those 673 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: fun memories but also hear the fan response about what 674 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: the show meant to them then and what it's like 675 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: rewatching it now as an adult. It's been it's been wild. 676 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: It's been such a wild ride. 677 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 3: It's we Yeah, it's it's just it's unexpectedly sweet, because, yeah, 678 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: I'd never had any social media or anything, so. 679 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 2: All I would hear about was, you know, people being 680 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 2: horrible on Twitter and saying. 681 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 3: The meanest things, and I just thought, well, this is 682 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 3: going to be a disaster. But you know, I want 683 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 3: to hang out with Laken and I want to watch 684 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 3: this show, so whatever, we're going to do it. 685 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: But it has been so unexpectedly sweet. 686 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. What season are you guys on right now? 687 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: In the podcast, we are on season four. 688 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 3: We are right just in the middle of season four, 689 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 3: and there are seven seasons altogether. 690 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so about that a little more than halfway through. 691 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, how about your and Jody. 692 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: We're just we're about to finish in a few weeks here, 693 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: season six. And we did eight seasons, so we got 694 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: we got two more to go. We're you know, we're 695 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: approaching the home stretch here, and it's been it's been great. 696 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: So we're watching ourselves grow up. It is a little 697 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: weird to watch these shows. So like we watched the 698 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: seasons consecutively, like there's no big summer hiatus, and you know, 699 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: we come back and it's like, oh, Jody's really tan 700 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: and tall now, and it's like, oh, yeah, well she 701 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, she grew five inches over the summer and 702 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: her hair is long and straight now. So that's a 703 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: little bit jarring. But it's been it's been so fun. 704 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: Have you felt like that Step by Step has held 705 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: up in twenty twenty six. Is it's still something people 706 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: enjoy today or are there a lot of dated jokes 707 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: and storylines in the show. 708 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 3: People tell us that they love it and that they 709 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 3: rewatch it all the time, and that they're rewatching the 710 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 3: entire series for the third and fourth time, and that 711 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 3: they have it on in the background and it's there 712 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 3: just their comfort show. 713 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: So I apparently people do enjoy it. 714 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 3: I enjoy it a lot, but I also no, not 715 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 3: everything holds up. Some of the episodes are I don't 716 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 3: like and haven't liked, and there are certain themes and 717 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 3: storylines and things and jokes that don't hold up. 718 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 719 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 3: I don't know if you have felt this with your pod, 720 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 3: But that has been hard. 721 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: You know. 722 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like, is the audience going to be 723 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 3: mad at us if we don't like this episode or 724 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 3: if we critique the show, or if we do end 725 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: up critiquing the show a lot at the same time 726 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 3: that you know, we also really you know, the good 727 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: stuff we love and praise and everything. 728 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 2: But I don't know, like, yeah, do you. 729 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: Feel like if you're critical towards the show, do you 730 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 3: worry about the audience getting mad? 731 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: I did it first. I did because there are some 732 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: comments that are like, oh, you're shitting on the show 733 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 1: that made you famous, and I'm like, well, I get that, 734 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: but what fun is that to do a podcast where 735 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: you're all just like sunshine and roses and everybody's wonderful, 736 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: you know. So I think it's about striking a balance 737 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: between rightfully critiquing things that the writers could have done 738 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: better or the storylines that could have gone different directions, 739 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: and honoring the things that they did really well. I mean, 740 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: that's life is all about balance, and so that's how 741 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: I approach the podcast too, And you know, pointing out 742 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: that things that were okay in the nineties and aren't 743 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: okay now, you know, I just want to point it 744 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: out that yeah, it was fine then and we've evolved 745 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: as a society. I don't know, people have a lot 746 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: of opinions about that too, and I'm just like, it's okay. 747 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: We're just pointing it out. It's not a big deal. 748 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: The nineties were a different time and that's okay. And 749 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: we're looking at it through a different lens twenty twenty 750 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: six lens and a forty nine year old, almost fifty 751 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: year old lens too, And so I'm a different person 752 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: now than I was in the nineties, and so it's okay. 753 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: It's okay to comment on all of it. You know, 754 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: this is who we are, and so yeah, it's a 755 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: mixed bag. I would say. That's the end of part 756 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: one with my conversation with Stacy Keenan. You don't want 757 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: to miss Part two coming up soon, where we continue 758 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: talking about life at fifty, law careers, and many life lessons. 759 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me for another fun segment of TGIF. 760 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: Thank goodness I'm fifty. Where we still got it, we 761 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: just have to go about it step by step.