WEBVTT - Takeaways from the 2024 U.S. Open

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the Frida Egg Golf Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison,

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<v Speaker 3>and today we're still trying to process the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four US Open. Bryceon de Shamba won at Pinehurst number

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<v Speaker 3>two in thrilling fashion, and Roy McElroy recorded one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most heartbreaking runner up finishes in golf history. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's an exaggeration. Now, before I bring

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<v Speaker 3>on Andy Johnson and Joseph Lamania to discuss our takeaways

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<v Speaker 3>from the championship, including some chat about how Pinehurst number

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to bring on Joseph Lamania and Andy Johnson

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<v Speaker 3>here to discuss some takeaways from the twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>US Open. Andy, first of all, how are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great. I guess say I'm on and on adrenaline.

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<v Speaker 1>I was still Joseph and I had a very early morning.

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<v Speaker 1>We left the Pinehurst area at four fifteen for our flights,

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<v Speaker 1>and I gotta say I was on the plane still

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<v Speaker 1>buzzing from yesterday. That was an electric golf tournament.

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<v Speaker 3>Joseph, how are you faring, Garrett?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm great. I think similar to Andy. I was on

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<v Speaker 2>the flight this morning just kind of taking in what

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<v Speaker 2>had just happened and realizing the significance of that tournament yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm really excited to debrief it with you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, let's first talk about the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>contenders in the tournament, the basic action of the tournament,

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<v Speaker 3>before we dive deep into Pinehurst Number two. The architecture,

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<v Speaker 3>the presentation, the various issues around that. So does anybody

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<v Speaker 3>have a Bryson related takeaway that they can dig into

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<v Speaker 3>right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I think for one huge takeaway for me, Garrett is

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<v Speaker 2>that Bryson De Shamba's short game I did not appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>it enough coming into this week. I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge story on Sunday, the number of short game

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<v Speaker 2>shots that Bryson hit that were excellent. Obviously the bunker

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<v Speaker 2>shot on eighteen is going to be the one that's remembered,

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<v Speaker 2>but even getting up and down on two that was

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<v Speaker 2>a heck of a short game shot early in the round.

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<v Speaker 2>The up and down on eight was incredible, like time

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<v Speaker 2>after time. The little wedge on ten to make birdie

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<v Speaker 2>where he had a tiny landing zone at a crucial

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<v Speaker 2>point in the round, like, Bryson's short game was super dialed.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's something that I'm going to take with me

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<v Speaker 2>into the future when I think about Bryson in major championships.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the things with just in general

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<v Speaker 1>with Bryson that gets a little underappreciated is his history

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<v Speaker 1>of being just a really well rounded golfer. He was

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<v Speaker 1>an extraordinarily great amateur player, and he won the USAM

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<v Speaker 1>and at the time early in his career, I think

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<v Speaker 1>like what was what was his game was really built

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<v Speaker 1>around was all around talent. He struggled with putting mightily

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<v Speaker 1>until he found the armack putter. I think he's struggled

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit around the greens, but he seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have figured that out. This is a guy that, like

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<v Speaker 1>has been a great ball striker, has been a great

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<v Speaker 1>all round player in general, but he has plugged his holes.

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<v Speaker 1>He has improved, and he's I think like one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that goes underappreciated is just like the whole

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<v Speaker 1>evolution of his career. Like I don't think we've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen a player take on so many forms so young

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<v Speaker 1>in their career. Like I don't know what what Bryson

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<v Speaker 1>de Shambo is gonna look like in five years, because

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<v Speaker 1>we've never seen the same Bryson to Shambeau for five

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<v Speaker 1>years or two, let alone two or three years.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, has his short game always been as good

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<v Speaker 3>as what we saw this past week or was this

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<v Speaker 3>past week a new level for him in that area?

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<v Speaker 2>It looks better. I mean, it's hard to tell because

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<v Speaker 2>the data on live isn't as granular, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>always pretty average around the greens. And I think something

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<v Speaker 2>that has been debated I know a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>who are into the prediction oriented stuff with Bryson is

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<v Speaker 2>that the single length wedges could make some short game

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<v Speaker 2>shots more difficult. But he seems to have figured that out.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've even seen some people saying that the single

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<v Speaker 2>length wedges might have been beneficial on the green Side

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<v Speaker 2>Bunker on eighteen, his final hole in that shot that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to go down in history, that he was able

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<v Speaker 2>to generate a little bit more speed, which was helpful

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<v Speaker 2>in that situation. So I think there's a store a

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<v Speaker 2>case to be made at least that Bryson to Shamba's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of figured out a lot of those variables.

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<v Speaker 3>So both of you were on site this week. Both

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<v Speaker 3>of you witnessed the reception of Bryson to Shambeau by

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<v Speaker 3>the gallery, which seemed really notable throughout the week. We've

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<v Speaker 3>seen Bryson gain in popularity this year, but it's easy

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<v Speaker 3>to forget that just last year he was getting booed

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<v Speaker 3>still at major championships and it wasn't uncommon to see

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<v Speaker 3>a gallery turn on him. This week was the opposite

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<v Speaker 3>and so Andy, what what do you think is different now?

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<v Speaker 3>What has changed?

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<v Speaker 1>Bryson is incentivized by popularity. He he is a YouTuber.

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<v Speaker 3>He loves being loved.

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<v Speaker 1>He understands I think, like there he said in his

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<v Speaker 1>press conference. I don't have the quote pulled up in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me, but he said something along the lines

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<v Speaker 1>of like I understand what goes into the production of content.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand what it's like to be behind the camera,

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<v Speaker 1>and I understand what it's like to be in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the camera. And he also studies what does numbers?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he understands the full scope of like today's

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<v Speaker 1>society is like popular, how people become popular online? And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that whole experience. If you think about Bryson

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<v Speaker 1>to Shambeau, he would he was like testy with cameraman before.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't like cameraman getting into his business. He's completely shifted,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think a lot of that. I think like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of his growth and I I'm sure people

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<v Speaker 1>are tired of hearing about this, but like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of his growth has to center around the

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube thing and becoming a content creator. He's gotten way

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<v Speaker 1>more comfortable as a person He's got a huge number

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<v Speaker 1>of fans and followers, and I think he's always like

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<v Speaker 1>as you allude to, he's I think at the core

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<v Speaker 1>of Bryson, he's always just wanted to be loved, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet has given him an outlet. And now he's

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<v Speaker 1>learned how to take his Internet personality and translate it

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<v Speaker 1>to major championship golf on a Sunday, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I think it's a weapon. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>the roarers and just that that energy has an impact

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<v Speaker 1>on his competitors.

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<v Speaker 2>Garrett. I know that there was a lot of chatter

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<v Speaker 2>about this on social media, but I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>so striking to see in person that Bryson is constantly

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<v Speaker 2>listening to what every all the fans are saying around him.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know how much that shown through on

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<v Speaker 2>the telecast, but like on Saturday, people are making comments

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<v Speaker 2>to him constantly as he walks down the fairway and

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<v Speaker 2>he is acknowledging them and responding to them. He's about

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<v Speaker 2>to hit a drive on ten on Saturday and some

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<v Speaker 2>fan yelled like, this is number six at bay Hill

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<v Speaker 2>but without the water makes no sense, But Bryson thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was funny, like laughed and like looked up at

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<v Speaker 2>the guy like he it must be exhausting. But the

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<v Speaker 2>difference between like a Rory who was pretty locked in

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<v Speaker 2>the entire weekend kind of blocking everything out, and Bryson

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<v Speaker 2>was unbelievably striking.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the difference between Bryson and almost every

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<v Speaker 1>single other pro golfer who like the way they play

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<v Speaker 1>golf and the way they've been taught to play golf

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<v Speaker 1>is to not acknowledge anybody around you stay in your bubble,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, I think that's been part of like the

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<v Speaker 1>ethos of the sport, is that it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's very polite and courteous on the outside and the

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<v Speaker 1>players stay very keep everything inside. I remember as a

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<v Speaker 1>kid growing up, there was a lot of backlash to

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<v Speaker 1>the way Tiger fists pumped from the old guard. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Bryson kind of brought up Tiger and his energy as

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<v Speaker 1>an inspiration in his press conference. I think it's similar.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're at like Tiger made it okay to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little bit more expressive and demonstrative. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that golf really like evolved and took the ball

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<v Speaker 1>much from that. You know, there have been a few

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<v Speaker 1>players that have been like I think JT when he

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<v Speaker 1>role in is pretty expressive about like he wears his

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<v Speaker 1>emotions on his sleeve, but for the most part that

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't really translate. This might be the next evolution,

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<v Speaker 1>and this the way he acts inside the ropes and

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<v Speaker 1>the way the fans respond is much more like other sports.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say that this interactiveness with the gallery probably

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<v Speaker 3>works a lot better when you're playing well and the

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<v Speaker 3>fans are behind you than when you're not playing well

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<v Speaker 3>and the fans maybe are turning on you a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that that was probably a big part

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<v Speaker 3>of his problem previously, because he was really attuned to

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<v Speaker 3>people yelling Brooksy at him and saying things to him

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<v Speaker 3>on the course about how he's lame and stupid. That

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<v Speaker 3>got to him. And now it's the opposite. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>opposite kind of reception. But this doesn't last forever. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>The public affection that he's getting, that anybody gets, that

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<v Speaker 3>any celebrity gets, is a temporary thing, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>wonder how he's going to deal with it when things change,

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<v Speaker 3>because they will. I'm not saying they should, but things

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<v Speaker 3>will change.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be interested to see how that goes. I think

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<v Speaker 2>one different Scarrett though, is that he has his YouTube channel,

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<v Speaker 2>which I know we've already hit on. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to craft his own image, like Bryson knows

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<v Speaker 2>that whatever happens on the golf course, like he can

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<v Speaker 2>go tell his own story once he gets off the

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<v Speaker 2>course when he creates content. So I think having that

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<v Speaker 2>platform and being able to create his own image gives

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<v Speaker 2>him some level of control of it. Maybe he'll be

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<v Speaker 2>able to deal with a little bit of criticism better

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<v Speaker 2>than he was before.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's also going to have more support when

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<v Speaker 1>things are going poorly because he's just got so many

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<v Speaker 1>more fanned than he had before. Like he was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of different and people didn't really know what to think

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<v Speaker 1>about him, and then he had moments where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't really like what this guy did.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point he's got a core legion of

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<v Speaker 1>fans that are going to follow him and support him

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<v Speaker 1>whether he's playing great or poorly.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I I think it's crazy how popular he is I

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<v Speaker 1>and it showcases the power of YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>Why don't we talk briefly about Rory McElroy. This was

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<v Speaker 3>just one of the most brutal losses that I can

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<v Speaker 3>remember seeing in any sport, including in golf. I remember

0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:40.160
<v Speaker 3>watching the nineteen ninety six Masters that final day. That's

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<v Speaker 3>right when I was like getting into watching professional golf,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, that was heartbreaking for Greg Norman. But he

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<v Speaker 3>lost that tournament basically on the front nine or early

0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.920
<v Speaker 3>on the back nine. Nick Faldo was just playing better,

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<v Speaker 3>and Faldo won by a substantial amount. And so I

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<v Speaker 3>guess my takeaway from what happened to Rory on the

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<v Speaker 3>last three holes, missing two putts that were not much

0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.160
<v Speaker 3>more than three or four feet in the case of

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<v Speaker 3>the sixteenth hole it was a two and a half

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<v Speaker 3>foot put was just that I haven't seen something quite

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<v Speaker 3>that painful in a major championship in golf, I think. Ever,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure that I have a historical comparison here.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really hard to watch, really hard to process,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm still kind of reeling from it. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>so bad for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it was gut wrenching to watch. Anybody

0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:50.640
<v Speaker 1>that's played golf has had probably an experience like this,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's to match with your friends or whether it's

0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.480
<v Speaker 1>in the club championship and to have that happen when

0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you're widely considered one of, if not the best player

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<v Speaker 1>of your generation, who's on a ten year major slump,

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<v Speaker 1>who's had numerous heartbreaks along the way, and seemingly had

0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the tournament in the palm of his hand with with

0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.000
<v Speaker 1>two and a half holes to go, have it to

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<v Speaker 1>all slip away in that fashion where you know it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was a short putting something that he had

0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:31.360
<v Speaker 1>done extraordinarily well all year long that failed him. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's brutal. It's going to be I think, like one

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<v Speaker 1>of the big stories now the rest of the year

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<v Speaker 1>is is what what do we see from Rory McElroy.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously there's one major left this year, it's at Troon,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there are a long it's a long season.

0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Like one of the things about the way the majors

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<v Speaker 1>work now is there's a long time before next April

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<v Speaker 1>and and for some people who might have had a

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<v Speaker 1>year full of no contention, that's a that's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They can refocus and come back next year. For someone

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<v Speaker 1>like Rory, who's who's had a who went through this

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<v Speaker 1>and he could win at Truon. But if he doesn't

0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.640
<v Speaker 1>win at Truon, it's gonna it's gonna be at the

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<v Speaker 1>top of his mind the rest of the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. I imagine it's gonna he's gonna think about

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<v Speaker 1>this for probably the rest of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Garrett. Similarly, my big takeaway from it all was like,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five thirty years from now, when we look back

0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.080
<v Speaker 2>on Rordy's close calls, some of them may get jumbled

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<v Speaker 2>together a little bit if you're just looking at the leaderboard,

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<v Speaker 2>the final leaderboard at least, But this was like by

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<v Speaker 2>far the most devastating, heartbreaking loss that he had. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not even close. And I think so many of these

0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:51.240
<v Speaker 2>close calls Rory hasn't been getting in the mix, like

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<v Speaker 2>making birdies, hitting those shots, like having the ball striking

0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.680
<v Speaker 2>and the putting line up. And he actually did it

0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.320
<v Speaker 2>this week, Like he put four birdies together in a

0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:06.119
<v Speaker 2>crucial stretch of the round nine, ten, twelve, thirteen, Like

0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.000
<v Speaker 2>he actually was doing what he needed to do to

0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.560
<v Speaker 2>win and looked locked in, had a two shot lead

0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.320
<v Speaker 2>with five to play, was leading on the sixteen green,

0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:19.159
<v Speaker 2>just needed to avoid mistakes coming in. It felt like

0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.000
<v Speaker 2>he was actually going to do it in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that was completely different than all these close calls before.

0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.000
<v Speaker 2>And then look he lost it, like this wasn't Bryson

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<v Speaker 2>just going out and taking it from him. Rory lost it.

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<v Speaker 2>He missed two very short putts. I know. The one

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<v Speaker 2>on eighteen wasn't that was kind of difficult. The one

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<v Speaker 2>on sixty was not difficult.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because he was he was above the hole on

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen right.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen was a hard put in a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And that pin, that pin is on like a

0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.960
<v Speaker 3>tilted section of that green, the Payne Stuart pin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a hard pin. That was a hard putt

0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:59.399
<v Speaker 1>on Thursday morning. If you put Teeing off ten. That

0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:04.119
<v Speaker 1>was a hard put on Sunday afternoon to set the

0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:09.440
<v Speaker 1>clubhouse lead at six under. It was an extraordinarily hard putt.

0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.439
<v Speaker 1>And then when you throw in that he pulled a

0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.320
<v Speaker 1>less than three foot putt two greens earlier, and it

0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.439
<v Speaker 1>was a hard left to right slider. That is a

0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:26.479
<v Speaker 1>It just ramps it up to an extremely difficult putt,

0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.199
<v Speaker 1>and missing low right is probably the natural thing to

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<v Speaker 1>do after a pull on sixteen. That's kind of what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear you. I hear you on that. I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>It was difficult, but those are the puts you have.

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<v Speaker 3>To make if you will win, right like and he

0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.520
<v Speaker 3>made a lot of putts that he wasn't supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>make earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure wasn't supposed to I mean, yes, but those

0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.360
<v Speaker 2>are the putts you have to make if you want

0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.280
<v Speaker 2>to win the US Open, right like Tiger in two

0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.560
<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight. The putt he made it Torrey Pines

0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.200
<v Speaker 2>is a heck of a lot harder than the putt

0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.679
<v Speaker 2>that Rory had on eighteen. It was four feet. I

0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.000
<v Speaker 2>agree it was hard, but I'm not gonna I don't

0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:03.520
<v Speaker 2>want to let him off the hook too much with

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<v Speaker 2>like the putts on sixteen and eighteen. You gotta make

0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.120
<v Speaker 2>those pots.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I And And to your point, Garrett, about making

0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.280
<v Speaker 1>putts he didn't he wasn't supposed to make. I watched

0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:19.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Rory McElroy this week. He had so

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<v Speaker 1>many putts earlier in the tournament that were similar range,

0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Like his strategy was to hit it to that range,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had you know, after after really Thursday, Friday

0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.920
<v Speaker 1>and Saturday, he made nothing. And he had so many

0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.880
<v Speaker 1>puts that burned, edges, hit hit corners of the cup

0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.880
<v Speaker 1>that didn't drop and it felt like it was interesting

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.840
<v Speaker 1>because like in a way, that round on Friday felt

0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.600
<v Speaker 1>like his round at LACC on Sunday, his round at

0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.879
<v Speaker 1>Saint Andrews on Sunday where he was in really some

0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.600
<v Speaker 1>really good spots but he just couldn't get anything to

0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.600
<v Speaker 1>get going. And you know that's what you do. You

0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.119
<v Speaker 1>play the averages out and you know you're gonna make some,

0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.240
<v Speaker 1>and he made them, and he made him in a

0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.080
<v Speaker 1>spurt and it was really similar to Quail Hollow, where

0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.199
<v Speaker 1>it felt like he was going to a gear. He

0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.439
<v Speaker 1>did go to a gear. He went to a gear

0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:21.000
<v Speaker 1>that nobody else had, and unfortunately it just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot of psychoanalysis that you can

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<v Speaker 1>get to as to what happened between sixteen seventeen and eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think one of the unfortunate things is

0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:40.720
<v Speaker 1>that an extraordinary bogie is going to be obscured on fifteen.

0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:45.040
<v Speaker 1>The shot out of the Native on fifteen, to keep

0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.240
<v Speaker 1>that on the green was out of this world good.

0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 1>That was such. That was difficulty twelve out of ten,

0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and he kept like keeping that on that green from

0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 1>that lie was unbelievable in having a a chance at par,

0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:08.720
<v Speaker 1>But I mean it's too bad because he did everything

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.840
<v Speaker 1>he needed to do in the week, and then the

0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:17.679
<v Speaker 1>final three holes he kind of just had problems with

0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.600
<v Speaker 1>short putts.

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<v Speaker 3>In interpreting what happened with Rory down the stretch, there

0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:26.199
<v Speaker 3>can be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking and I

0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:29.399
<v Speaker 3>don't want to get too deep into that, but a

0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.399
<v Speaker 3>couple of things that I want to point out that

0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.560
<v Speaker 3>got a little bit hidden about his play down the

0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:39.520
<v Speaker 3>stretch were one that t shot on fifteen that skidded

0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.680
<v Speaker 3>over the green. Maybe there was some bad luck involved there,

0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.920
<v Speaker 3>but also just seemed like he overshot the green and

0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:50.040
<v Speaker 3>missed in really the wrong place. There weren't that many

0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.880
<v Speaker 3>misses long on fifteen. On Sunday, there were a few,

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.440
<v Speaker 3>and nobody made par from back there, and that's why

0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 3>there weren't that many players back there, because everybody knew

0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.119
<v Speaker 3>that that was kind of the deadly place to be

0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:06.639
<v Speaker 3>on that hole. And then on eighteen, apparently Nick Faldo

0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.479
<v Speaker 3>pointed this out on the Sky's sports feed. Shane Bacon

0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.760
<v Speaker 3>told me about this this morning, But Rory pulled driver

0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.720
<v Speaker 3>on that tee for the first time all week. Evidently

0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.920
<v Speaker 3>he had just hit three wood off of that tee

0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.719
<v Speaker 3>every other day, and I'm not sure if there was

0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.280
<v Speaker 3>a rationale for the driver that were just not privy to.

0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:31.880
<v Speaker 3>There probably was, but there were some decisions in those

0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:37.320
<v Speaker 3>last few holes that maybe are getting overlooked because of

0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 3>how spectacularly hard to watch those putts on sixteen and

0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 3>eighteen were. And it brings us back to this old

0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.080
<v Speaker 3>question of you know, maybe old at this point ten

0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:51.960
<v Speaker 3>year old question or five year old question of whether

0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.439
<v Speaker 3>Rory could use some more guidance out there on the

0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:56.240
<v Speaker 3>course and making his decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't know how you feel the shot him fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see it again. I think that's pretty fair, Garrett,

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.160
<v Speaker 2>because long big death.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it did take a big bounce. It did take

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.800
<v Speaker 3>a big bounce. I felt like it was.

0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:15.000
<v Speaker 1>It came out low, it was fading. It looked like

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.439
<v Speaker 1>a good shot. I was right behind the tee box

0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:20.520
<v Speaker 1>it was. I mean, you want to hit a cut

0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 1>into that green? It was cut and it took a

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:24.959
<v Speaker 1>monster bounce.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fifteen, sure, if that can be litigated. I actually

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 2>don't agree necessarily on eighteen. If he was feeling confident

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 2>with driver, that's a hole that a lot of golfers

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.280
<v Speaker 2>were hitting driver on all day. It doesn't get super

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 2>narrow at driver length. In general, if you're deciding between

0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:45.080
<v Speaker 2>three wood and driver, like driver's often a good call.

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a problem with that. If he felt

0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.159
<v Speaker 2>good over it, had some adrenaline flowing, and felt like

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:52.480
<v Speaker 2>he could make a good, confident swing. I think we

0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 2>have a tendency when a player hits a ball in

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:57.360
<v Speaker 2>a bad spot off the tea with driver to suggest

0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.199
<v Speaker 2>that it should have been three wood coming down the stretch,

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.560
<v Speaker 2>and he might have he needed to make birdie as well.

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Right if Bryson makes that put on seventeen, so I

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:05.920
<v Speaker 2>can get with you a little bit more on fifteen.

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't think driver was a foolish decision on the

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:08.480
<v Speaker 2>last hol.

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I think if you're gonna examine some decision making, like

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.640
<v Speaker 1>one area that like I've thought about a lot today.

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.200
<v Speaker 1>It's funny, like he host on this cross country flight.

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just reliving, like thinking about like basically the entire tournament,

0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the whole time flying. And one thing I centered on

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>was the way he played five all week. He drove

0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>it right down the middle of fairway. I think all

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>four rounds he was in great position and he played

0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.199
<v Speaker 1>the whole even par birdied it the first round. He

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>bogied it on Sunday. He made a spectacular par in

0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 1>the second round when he found the waste area that

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>claimed victim to Scottie Scheffler and Xander Schoffley in the

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 1>same group. I wonder what he would have done had

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 1>he not watched those guys, because I think he might

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 1>have tried to play the heroic shot and that's why

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 1>he kind of t I had to do on Sunday,

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.639
<v Speaker 1>But like I might zero in on that hole as

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 1>like the hole that he misplayed the most in terms

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 1>of the week. There was like a very clear miss

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 1>there and the miss was was long, right, And I

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 1>want to be clear here, it's hard. Everybody who plays golf, nos,

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.719
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to miss it exactly where you want to.

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 1>But like that, if you miss it, if you dumped

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 1>it right, it was great spot to basically every pin

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 1>on that on that green if you can get into

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 1>that long rite collection area. And the one thing that

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:40.439
<v Speaker 1>everybody knew, yeah, every one thing everybody knew where you

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 1>couldn't go was left and he found himself there twice.

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 1>And like when you look at that hole his length,

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 1>he's hitting mid irons into that par five and to

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 1>play it even par for the week is super disappointing,

0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 1>especially since he played from the fairway for four or

0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>four days.

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 3>At the same time. Once again, Rory McElroy was in

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 3>position to win a major championship, and he has been

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 3>in that position so many times in the past few years.

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 3>That's another thing that's going to get lost in the

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:16.880
<v Speaker 3>discussion of what happened in the last three holes. Rory

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 3>was there yet again, and that is incredibly impressive, and

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:25.640
<v Speaker 3>I think some credit should be given to that, along

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:30.719
<v Speaker 3>with criticism of those missed opportunities. All Right, before we

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<v Speaker 3>Pinehurst number two, because there was one thing that went

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's get into some course related takeaways. We

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 3>can start wherever we want. Why don't we go to

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 3>you first, Joseph, Do you have a Pinehurst number two

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 3>related takeaway that you'd like to set us off with?

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, I have a bunch. I think the main

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 2>one for me, the perched domed greens have a lot

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 2>of benefits in the way that they play for professional

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:59.479
<v Speaker 2>golfers that I think the main advantage of them, at

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.719
<v Speaker 2>least in ten the world's best is that there are

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>so many shots out there, both on approach shots and

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 2>short game where you can't go long or you have

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:11.239
<v Speaker 2>a serious problem and you often can't go short right

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>or you might have to try that shot again it

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 2>may roll back to your feet and so the right left. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure,

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 2>but there's so many times where you have a great

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 2>example would be Bryson in the bunker on five right

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>of the green on the Sunday on the final round,

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 2>where he's got such a delicate bunker shot and it's

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>absolute death long of that pin. That how confident you

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.479
<v Speaker 2>are in your bunker game determines how aggressive you can

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>be with that short game shot. And you saw it

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 2>like whole nines. Another example to the front right pin

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 2>on Saturday, Like how confident you are with your short

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>game kind of dictated how really really how well you

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>could how close you could hit it to the flag,

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 2>or else you're gonna have a problem both long and short.

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>We don't see that that often in professional golf, Like

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 2>there's usually danger in one direct but not the other,

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 2>or rough stops it if you go too far long.

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>There's not this like, oh I may have a serious

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>problem if I hit this three feet with three feet

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 2>too much pace. So I think that's just such an

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 2>exceptional test of short game and it really shows who

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 2>has their stuff that week.

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I completely agree with this, and I think it it.

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the things that stood out, like there's a

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>couple of things that stood out about about Bryson and

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Rory who separated themselves, but to me, they're both of

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>their short game shots over the especially over the weekend.

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 1>It was just a different level than everyone else, and

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it it seemed, you know, like what you illustrate on

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the fifth hole was that's an awesome depiction because you

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>saw so many players so afraid of long in so

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>many cases that they you end up with twelve feet.

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I think like this is the beauty of when the

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.479
<v Speaker 1>ball is on the ground and when there is fear

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of where it might go on the ground. And I

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>think that's what Pinehurst does really through the entire golf course,

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>because there's also that fear off the tee where when

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the ball's rolling and you just are terrified of it

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>going into the waste areas because you just don't know

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen. And I've seen a lot of

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 1>people complaining about the waste areas. Garrett. I thought you

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>had a great Twitter thread that, you know, Bryson, everybody's

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 1>saying he didn't get penalized, but he hit it in

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>all these waste areas and he only hit one green

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>out of them.

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I think part of this, and I'm putting my

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 3>tinfoil hat on right now, I think part of this

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 3>is that on the telecast, we heard Brandal Shambly talking

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 3>a lot about how lucky Bryson was getting. Bryson would

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 3>hit a drive offline, it would trundle into the waste

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:59.959
<v Speaker 3>areas and Brandle would pipe up and say, up there

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 3>he is again getting off scott free, or something to

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 3>that effect. That's not an exact quote, but the thing

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 3>was those lies, although they weren't completely boned, he didn't

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 3>find like the middle of a wiregrass tuft, which by

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 3>the way, is pretty rare at Pinehurst most of the

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 3>time it's kind of these in between lies. Bryson found

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 3>some kind of scrapy, weird lies, and guess what, he

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 3>played really well out of them. He advanced the ball

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 3>generally far enough to get up by the green. There

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 3>was one time that he wasn't able to do that on.

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Twelve I think it was, and on eighteen and.

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 3>On eighteen he but he got up into the region

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 3>of the green.

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>But then he hit in us history.

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 3>And that's what he was doing. He was missing greens

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 3>out of waste areas because guess what, it's really hard

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 3>to control your ball, even out of a good lie

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 3>in these waste areas. They're sand. I mean, think about that, right.

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 3>You can't compress it off of the surface like you

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 3>would if it were on Pinehurst's Bermuda turf, and so

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 3>you're going into these extremely penalizing, difficult greens, you think

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 3>you're going to be able to hold many greens out

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 3>of the waste area. Well, that's what that stuff is doing.

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 3>And if it were consistent Bermuda rough, then guys would

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 3>be hitting the same kinds of shots where they wouldn't

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 3>be hitting greens. They would be kind of finding the

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 3>areas around the greens, but it might be a little

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 3>bit easier, and it would certainly be more predictable. The

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 3>essence of Pinehurst waste areas is their unpredictability. Let's not

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 3>leave that behind just because we're mad about what happened

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 3>with Bryson's balls on the last day of this Open.

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I just want to point something out here too. We

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>already watched a US Open where Bryson missed fairways in

0:33:56.080 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>thick rough and hit a bunch of greens. We watched

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>that at Wingfoot. Yeah, he would just hit it into

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the rough and then hit it onto the green from

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the thick, gnarly rough like we've seen that. This to

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:18.319
<v Speaker 1>me was a way bigger deterrent to Bryson. Bryson wasn't

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 1>aiming down like the right half of a fairway and

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 1>saying I'm just gonna blast it over here and maybe

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I'll be in the fairway because this is the way

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 1>the green opened. I mean, you could tell that that

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the wiregrass was giving him a great deal of stress.

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 1>Just look at how long he was taking to hit

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.320
<v Speaker 1>those shots. I mean, like the shot he hit into

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>into eleven. I wasn't back there, I didn't see the

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 1>lie and I haven't watched the coverage of it, but

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:50.720
<v Speaker 1>you could just tell by the sheer amount of time

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.720
<v Speaker 1>how tricky that shot was, and it wasn't a great result.

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>He ended up in that front left bunker and made

0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>a really good up and down. I think what's really

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>great about Pinehurst just in general, is that if you

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>hit a poor shot, whether it's off the tee, whether

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 1>it's approaching the green, you have to hit a great

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 1>shot to make par. It could come in the form

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of a long putt, it could come in the form

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 1>of a great chip shot, it could come from the

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 1>form of a great recovery shot from the native. But

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:27.240
<v Speaker 1>like two, when you get out of position there something

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 1>you have to do something superb to make the par

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 1>And I think That's one of the things that I'll

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>take away from Pinehurst is just it does such a

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 1>good job of drawing lines, and I think what in

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 1>giving viewers and understanding of that's good and that's not good.

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Anything on the green felt good this week. It was like, Okay,

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>they're on the green. Anything slightly off the green, it's like,

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>all right, it's gonna be. They're gonna have to get

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 1>up and down. That's not easy. Then in certain places

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, that's impossible. Up and down like Bryson's

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.959
<v Speaker 1>left of eight, which he miraculously got up and down

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and then off the tee. It was such a it

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>was such a like it on the edge of your seat.

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Like I found myself like running inside the ropes trying

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 1>to go see what the lies were because you're so

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>excited to see what happened to someone when they went

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:18.439
<v Speaker 1>in the wiregrass.

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel like there's a perception after this tournament that

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>you could just kind of bomb it and spray it around,

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 2>and I just don't think that that's accurate. Garrett, Like,

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 2>there were plenty, I don't know what how many shots

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the telecast showed. There are plenty of lies in the

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 2>wiregrass that were harry that snagged players clubs and they

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.359
<v Speaker 2>made big numbers like that did happen, So I think

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.759
<v Speaker 2>it's inaccurate to suggest that Bryson just bombed it around

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>and got away with it. He shot tied for the

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 2>worst score on Sunday of anybody that finished in the

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 2>top ten because he was getting penalized for his errant shots,

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 2>and he put on a magnificent short game display. You

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 2>could go through a bunch of the holes on brilliant

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 2>shots he hit to get himself back into position. And

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 2>like one other small thing about the wire grass, sometimes

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.239
<v Speaker 2>and we can get into like whether or not the

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 2>wiregrass was overdone, but sometimes the wiregrass affected players' stances,

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 2>and it may not the ball may have been lying cleanly,

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 2>but like Bryson on ten, he was having a very

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 2>difficult time standing and figuring out a good way to

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 2>make a stance that he could hit a long iron

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 2>on the on the par five tenths. Like the wiregrass

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 2>was a penalty. The notion that you could just blast

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 2>it around and then go find it isn't accurate. And

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.920
<v Speaker 2>if you go through Bryson shots, you're gonna find a

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of situations where he showed some restraint, wasn't just

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.359
<v Speaker 2>bashing it, or when he found himself in native area,

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:43.439
<v Speaker 2>he paid a significant price for it. So I don't

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 2>I reject that it didn't that this US Open wasn't

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 2>about accuracy at all. It wasn't a hardcore accuracy test.

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't, but it wasn't a bomb and gouge type

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 2>of setup by any stretch of the imagination.

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I love your point about the stance because that's one

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>of the ways that you can mess with a good

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>player the most. Is like where Bryson's generating power, where

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.919
<v Speaker 1>you generate stability and a golf swing is from your feet,

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>and those wire grasses are clumpy, they're tough, they sit

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 1>up the roots like sit up above the ground, and

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 1>you could get really awkward stances in there. The other thing,

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I just like would love to point out who would

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:27.720
<v Speaker 1>you say are the three best drivers of the golf

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 1>ball in the world.

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Scotti Scheffler's one of them. So I don't want to

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 2>I have him.

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 1>He drove it terrible by his standards, and guess what

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.879
<v Speaker 1>he had, like the worst tournament of his year.

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Basically Cam Young Rory would Bryson. I know, I know

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.919
<v Speaker 2>you're going for Bryson, Scotti, Scheffler, and Cam Young would

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 2>probably be my top four.

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>It allowed Bryson to Shambeau and Rory McElroy a stage

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>to showcase that are immense off the t talents that

0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>few players can match. And for Rory, I think he

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 1>gained seven shots on the field off the tee over

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the course of the week. For Bryson, he was not

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.359
<v Speaker 1>that far behind. He gained like five. But I think

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that reason that number was low was

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 1>because he drove it bad on Sunday. He didn't pick

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 1>up really any shots on Sunday. And I think most

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 1>people will know this that he had to swap out

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>his driver, and I think like that that driver swap,

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I think showcases how tough it was, this small little

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:34.879
<v Speaker 1>change to a new driver head that wasn't, as he said,

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.839
<v Speaker 1>worn in enough. It needed to be hit fifty more

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 1>times to be right the right head. For him, that

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 1>driver head change caused like him to go from maybe

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the second best driver of the golf ball in the

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 1>tournament to average.

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Joseph, I want to put this to you. I think

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 3>we all agree on this subject. So I want to

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of throw a little, you know, a little n

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 3>the works here. What we saw this week was the

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 3>two longest drivers of the ball, Bryson to Shambeau and

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Roy McElroy, separating themselves from the field. We saw Bryson

0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:17.240
<v Speaker 3>missing a bunch of fairways on Sunday and still winning.

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 3>How can you make the argument that Pinehurst number two

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 3>is not a bomber's paradise based on this result.

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.239
<v Speaker 2>There's a few ways to go. For one, it was

0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 2>a hard cour The course plays long, and there's a

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of long irons, and oftentimes the longest drivers in

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.480
<v Speaker 2>the field are the best long iron players. And I

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>think that that's true of both Bryson to Shambo and Rory.

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 2>They hit a lot of good long irons and so yeah,

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 2>they're at the top of the leaderboard.

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 1>As they both played well at bay Hill over the

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 1>course of their career.

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 3>Right and Bryson, for him, long irons are like his

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:54.800
<v Speaker 3>seven and eight irons. By the way, just to interject

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:59.320
<v Speaker 3>here real quick before you finish your point, Bryson's shot

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:04.480
<v Speaker 3>on the par three fifteenth hole on Sunday was a

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 3>good representation I think of how high he hits his

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:13.320
<v Speaker 3>irons at that distance. That was an enormously long shot

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 3>for the iron that he hit. I think he probably

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 3>hit an eight iron, maybe a seven iron, and it

0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 3>was way up in the air and it landed pretty softly.

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:24.839
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the announcers were worried that it was going

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 3>to roll off the back of the green based on

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:30.359
<v Speaker 3>where it landed, but it checked up because that thing

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 3>went way up in the air.

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Right, So you're getting some of that right, Like, yes,

0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>long hitters are going to do well in part for

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 2>that reason. There's a bunch of t shots out there

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:44.439
<v Speaker 2>that just aren't that bomber friendly. Right the first hole,

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 2>there's no advantage to being a bomber, Like everyone's hitting

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:49.800
<v Speaker 2>a long iron out into the center of the fairway.

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 2>The seventh hole, Bryson got daring and did rip a driver,

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 2>but that's really risky, and a lot of golfers laid

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 2>way back, including Rory, who took a super conservative strategy

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 2>off the tee there. So there's a mixture of holes

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 2>that are bomber friendly and not so much.

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Three most days was just laid back with an iron

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:12.399
<v Speaker 1>right thirteen until they made it driveable, which I think

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 1>if we want to get into critiques was a bad

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>drivable part four. I think it finally puts to bed

0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that every drible four is a great drivable par four.

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.799
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there are a lot of holes that took

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>it out of their hands.

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.240
<v Speaker 2>But there are also some holes that are pretty bomber friendly,

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 2>right like twelve, fourteen, sixteen, eleven, yeah, ten.

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Probably ten, Yeah, ten would be the number one hole

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:42.359
<v Speaker 3>for me, where it's just like, you know, it's it's

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 3>not the easiest hole in the world, but it's a

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:48.319
<v Speaker 3>pretty straight line uphill fairway and you're looking at it

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 3>and you're like, well, there's really no use in doing

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 3>anything fancy here. I'm just going to crush it up

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 3>the middle.

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Even eight is kind of like that too. But the

0:42:56.239 --> 0:43:01.880
<v Speaker 2>thing is, when you got offline, you found danger and

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 2>there was an opportunity to make a big number. You

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 2>don't want to stand there with a four iron in

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 2>your hand, maybe not the best stance in your ball,

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 2>not exactly sure how it was going to react out

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 2>of that wiregrass. So I don't know the kind of

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:14.879
<v Speaker 2>points Brandle was making on the telecast, and I've seen

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that sentiment expressed on social media, but

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's accurate that it was a just

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:21.799
<v Speaker 2>hit it wherever and then go find it and hit

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 2>it from there. That's not the way it played.

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I think one thing to call out, and I, you know,

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I'd be curious what you guys think is a critique

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:33.240
<v Speaker 1>for Pinehurst number two in the way that the USGA

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:37.280
<v Speaker 1>went about setting this up this year. The fairways played

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 1>extremely slow and soft given the weather conditions for the week,

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and comparatively to twenty fourteen, where we saw an extremely

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 1>baked out Pinehurst. I have a hunch that the premise

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:54.640
<v Speaker 1>and desire was for the golf course to look more

0:43:54.640 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 1>green for television, and I think with that it made

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the fairways play a little bit wider, giving players a

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:10.719
<v Speaker 1>little bit more wide berth, and also limiting, you know,

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the amount of balls that got to the edges running

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:17.960
<v Speaker 1>into that wire grass. And I'm curious what your guys'

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>thoughts are, but those fairways were significantly slower than twenty fourteen,

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:27.319
<v Speaker 1>and there was absolutely no reason for them to be

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 1>slower unless it was an intentional decision. And what could

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that intentional decision? You know, Like I, as I think

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:38.320
<v Speaker 1>through my head, television's always loved a good green product.

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Garrett, go first, but I actually kind of disagreed, go ahead,

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:41.360
<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 3>I'd actually don't have any useful information here. The USGA

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.800
<v Speaker 3>did not release any information about how they prepared the fairways.

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 3>They were very thorough in communicating how they prepared the greens,

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.840
<v Speaker 3>and they were restrained almost to the point of being tentative,

0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.000
<v Speaker 3>but not quite. They were moderate in their presentation of

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.920
<v Speaker 3>the greens. They were stimping at about thirteen to fourteen

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 3>all week, which is pretty damn fast, but they could

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.879
<v Speaker 3>have made them more fiery. Now. I don't know if

0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 3>they watered the fairways more than they did in twenty fourteen,

0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.360
<v Speaker 3>or if there was just a little bit more rain

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 3>in the lead up to the tournament.

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:22.200
<v Speaker 1>What's your sense, Andy, they were soft, Like from the

0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the week, sentiment of players was fairways are

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 1>really slow. I think some of this also goes to

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:32.440
<v Speaker 1>like preventing the chimer around the green thing. They wanted

0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to keep the grass around the green a little healthier

0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 1>because when that grass burned out, it gave more incentive

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 1>for putter to be a choice rather than wedge. But

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I think also with that those fairways being wider benefited

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 1>some of some of that length off the tee. I

0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 1>think that is one of the things, like where it

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 1>gave a little bit wider berth, and the way those

0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 1>fairways move on diagonals got counteracted a little bit. I

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 1>spoke with numerous players who played both twenty fourteen and

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, and one of their biggest points of

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:12.879
<v Speaker 1>emphasis was how much slower the fairways were.

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I actually do agree with you on that, Andy,

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:20.799
<v Speaker 2>I thought overall on the total firmness thing, I thought

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:24.280
<v Speaker 2>where we may disagree is that they didn't really push

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 2>it on the greens. They aired. They kind of decided

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 2>to make the greens to make the decision that the

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 2>greens should play fast, but not as firm as they could.

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 2>And maybe I'm in the minority here, I actually agree

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 2>with that decision.

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I agree too. I think the greens were perfect.

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I think they were perfect.

0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 1>I think when you get those elevated greens, you have

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 1>to provide you have to provide the ability to hit

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.359
<v Speaker 1>good shots, and you have to provide the ability for

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:55.480
<v Speaker 1>every type of player to hit a great shot. If

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you would have made those greens, Firmer, Bryson and Rory

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.880
<v Speaker 1>would have run away even more or because trajectory of

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>your shot in would have been you know, the main thing.

0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:07.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, like if you get a guy hitting a

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 1>three iron on the fourth hole or you know, a

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 1>three iron on the on the sixth hole, who's a

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 1>shorter hitter versus a six iron, You're just with the

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.880
<v Speaker 1>severity of the false fronts, you can't land it short

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>of a lot of those greens and have it roll up.

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 1>So the greens have to be have a level of

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>receptiveness to allow players to land them on the greens

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and stop them. Now, no matter what level of receptiveness

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 1>they are, the high ball hitter is going to have

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 1>an advantage, but you have to allow the shorter hitters

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 1>a chance.

0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I agree, And it's not even just the short hitters,

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 2>like you need to give every player in the field

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.360
<v Speaker 2>a chance to land the ball, even the long hitters.

0:47:56.480 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Fifteen if that had gotten much Firmer would have been

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:05.759
<v Speaker 2>basically unhittable. And what I think, maybe sometimes I disagree

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:09.400
<v Speaker 2>with some people at Frida egg On not not really,

0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.240
<v Speaker 2>but I think fast greens are necessary ingredient of testing

0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 2>the world's best and when players short sighted, if you

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:19.760
<v Speaker 2>sacrifice too much on green speed to preserve some pin locations.

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 2>They're going to get up and down in a lot

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.040
<v Speaker 2>of situations where I think the greens being faster presents

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 2>a better challenge.

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:29.399
<v Speaker 1>So I where I'm going to push back is you'd

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>have more putts like Roy McRoy had on the eighteenth green,

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 1>which are puts that pro golfers don't see very much.

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:39.840
<v Speaker 1>And three four footers, as we just saw when you

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 1>got to play them outside the hole, are a lot

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:45.880
<v Speaker 1>tougher than your four footer right center, and that's the

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 1>type of stuff that can get in players heads.

0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:51.440
<v Speaker 2>That's fair, But also on the ninth hole when players

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 2>are trying to when they mishit, their t shots to

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 2>a front right pin the part three and they have

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.040
<v Speaker 2>to put over that ridge and keep it on the

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:02.040
<v Speaker 2>green and control the speed. It being at a high

0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 2>speed but achievable was a really good test. And the

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.840
<v Speaker 2>more you slow those greens down, that putt gets a

0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 2>lot easier. So I'm actually in favor of a little

0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:13.280
<v Speaker 2>bit of receptiveness in the greens and an ultra high speed. Garrett,

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:14.200
<v Speaker 2>how do you feel about that?

0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm fine with that, and I was fine with how

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.879
<v Speaker 3>they presented the greens in general this week. They were

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:23.840
<v Speaker 3>receptive to really good shots, generally from the fairway, generally

0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:27.719
<v Speaker 3>from good angles, and they were very rejecting of less

0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 3>good shots from less good positions. And I think that

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:34.319
<v Speaker 3>that's probably the goal that you're going for when you're

0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:37.120
<v Speaker 3>setting up Pinehurst number two for a championship like this.

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:41.160
<v Speaker 3>They were restrained. They watered the greens every single evening,

0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 3>they'd double cut them in the morning, and didn't roll

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 3>all of the greens every day. They rolled select greens

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 3>the first three days and rolled none of them on

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Sunday morning. If there's one thing that I kind of

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 3>wish they had done, I wish they had pushed the

0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:02.480
<v Speaker 3>greens a bit more on se just from my perspective

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 3>as a viewer being entertained, but from a competitive standpoint,

0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:10.719
<v Speaker 3>I understand why they did what they did. They set

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.840
<v Speaker 3>the course up to be slightly more gettable. On Sunday,

0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 3>the scoring average was about a stroke and half lower

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:19.440
<v Speaker 3>than it was on Saturday. Part of that's because thirteen

0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 3>was driveable and six was shorter, But to me, just

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:26.319
<v Speaker 3>looking at shots coming into those greens on Sunday, they

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 3>were noticeably, if very subtly more receptive and I think

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:35.200
<v Speaker 3>that was intentional, and my choice as a sicko would

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.160
<v Speaker 3>have been to kind of let things off the chain

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 3>a little bit. But again, get why they did what

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.840
<v Speaker 3>they did. This is the new way at the USGA.

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:47.359
<v Speaker 3>You don't have Mike Davis back there, like, you know,

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 3>trying to push the edges. John Bodenhammer and his setup

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:56.480
<v Speaker 3>crew are very restrained, very moderate, very smart. They want

0:50:56.520 --> 0:51:00.360
<v Speaker 3>to present the most challenging championship in the world without

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 3>driving the players crazy and creating a pr crisis for themselves.

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 3>And that is completely understandable, and it's represented in this

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:13.240
<v Speaker 3>setup this week, which was so successful and so smart

0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:16.959
<v Speaker 3>that I can't help but just tip my cap. Good job.

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, did you guys think this was like one of

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.720
<v Speaker 2>the best setups in recent memory? Like I'm having trouble

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 2>thinking of a major championship setup at least over the

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 2>last decade that compares to this. I thought it was phenomenal.

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, you have the advantage of pretty consistent

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:35.279
<v Speaker 3>weather through the week, like no weird weather conditions, not

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 3>much wind. It was warm, obviously, as you guys experienced,

0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 3>but it wasn't crazy at any point, and so they

0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.840
<v Speaker 3>were able to be pretty steady with the way that

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:49.080
<v Speaker 3>they were maintaining the greens. And they also had the

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:52.080
<v Speaker 3>advantage of one of the greatest courses in America. And

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:55.920
<v Speaker 3>that's you know, if you set up Pinehurst number two properly,

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:58.960
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be awesome, because this course is awesome.

0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Think they could have had a final score of basically

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.880
<v Speaker 1>whatever they wanted. They could have probably gotten it to

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:10.200
<v Speaker 1>like minus ten would have been probably, like you know,

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 1>if they wanted wanted to make it a little easier.

0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I think they could have gotten this thing to wear

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 1>plus five one if they wanted to. And that gives

0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:23.799
<v Speaker 1>you without it being super silly. I think, like a

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:28.279
<v Speaker 1>couple notes, just a couple of notes. They never used

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:31.879
<v Speaker 1>a right pin on ten. That was a miss. They

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 1>never used the right pin on eleven.

0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:34.600
<v Speaker 2>That was a miss.

0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, that little front right pocket of that green,

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 3>that's so cool.

0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, come on the third. I think that. I mean,

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 1>if we're gonna critique with a fine tooth comb here,

0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:50.399
<v Speaker 1>thirteen was a big miss. As a driveable part four,

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I think there were better options, yep, for drivable fours.

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:59.319
<v Speaker 1>I thought three was awesome. Three is an awesome drivable four,

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 1>just as an anecdote. I was following ZB on Saturday

0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and I was going to the sixth Green and I'm

0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 1>walking on the on the pathway behind five to the

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:12.640
<v Speaker 1>six te and I see Terrell Hatton's fall on the

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:16.440
<v Speaker 1>path looking up at that backpen, and I'm just like,

0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:19.360
<v Speaker 1>oh boy. And then I walk a little bit further

0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 1>there's Tom Kim and I just like stopped. I was like, well,

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:24.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be sitting here for a little while.

0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:27.239
<v Speaker 3>I got out your popcorn, and yeah, stayed where you were.

0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that was awesome. I think there's also a

0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:34.400
<v Speaker 1>question of is five a better hole from an uptee.

0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:36.880
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a great hole from any t I

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:37.200
<v Speaker 3>love it.

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's here's the point. The only two players really

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:44.240
<v Speaker 1>were reaching the point of the fairway where it can't,

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 1>and those were Rory and and Bryson.

0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Interesting, that is.

0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:53.279
<v Speaker 1>A better, unobjectively better approach shot, no matter what the

0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:58.439
<v Speaker 1>yardage into the hole is. With a hanging downhill lie,

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 1>that is just at or harder shot. I will take

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the flat lie, and I'm sure the data people will

0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:08.799
<v Speaker 1>kill me for this. But if there's trouble to do this,

0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:13.360
<v Speaker 1>if there's trouble short left or all left, and I

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.920
<v Speaker 1>have the choice of a dead flat lie from two

0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 1>whatever two fifty two sixty or a hangar from two

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:25.239
<v Speaker 1>point thirty. I am choosing two fifty to sixty all

0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 1>day long. But no pro is going to hit three

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 1>wood off a front of forward t They're always going

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:33.080
<v Speaker 1>to take that upt And I think you would have

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:37.400
<v Speaker 1>just seen way more people find left unintentionally. Who was

0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the guy that found left twice? The guy that got

0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 1>it to the side hill twice? R got it to

0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 1>the side hill four times. Yeah, that brought left into

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.359
<v Speaker 1>play because of how far up he was. Nobody else

0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:53.440
<v Speaker 1>was getting up there except for like Bryson a few players.

0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 1>So like, I think that was actually a big miss.

0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Was that was moving up that that fifth or moving

0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:03.560
<v Speaker 1>back that fifteen, which I think is a new box

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 1>they built it for. They didn't have it in twenty fourteen.

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:08.400
<v Speaker 2>And I guess the other way you could get there

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:10.640
<v Speaker 2>is with firmer fairways too right, I mean, that's firm

0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:11.719
<v Speaker 2>farewell get there.

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And you know, in the spirit of nitpicks, I

0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:21.920
<v Speaker 3>agree about thirteen. I tweeted about thirteen on Saturday evening saying,

0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:24.319
<v Speaker 3>I hope to God they don't set this up as

0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:28.720
<v Speaker 3>driveable tomorrow because it is such an interesting two shot

0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:33.480
<v Speaker 3>short par four that presents legitimate options for players who

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:35.920
<v Speaker 3>want to lay up and players who want to push

0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:38.839
<v Speaker 3>it up just short of the green where you might

0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:41.960
<v Speaker 3>have a really really tricky shot from the left side

0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:45.520
<v Speaker 3>of a fairway that is turning on a diagonal there,

0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 3>A lot of players chose to lay up. Most players

0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:51.680
<v Speaker 3>chose to lay up, including Bryson. He was sitting there

0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:55.439
<v Speaker 3>contemplating it on Saturday, saying, I might try to take

0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 3>out driver here and just blast it up there, but nope,

0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:01.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to hit an iron, don't boomy. It was

0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.239
<v Speaker 3>great little theater there on the tee, and then he

0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:06.280
<v Speaker 3>dumped it in the bunker on the layup. I mean, Bryson,

0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:10.280
<v Speaker 3>who hits driver everywhere, laid up on that hole because

0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 3>it presents an interesting question to players. When the tee

0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:16.920
<v Speaker 3>is back in the three sixty to three eighty range.

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:21.480
<v Speaker 3>When you make that hole driveable, there's no decision anymore.

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.920
<v Speaker 3>Players are just sort of peppering that green with driver.

0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:29.880
<v Speaker 3>In Bryson's case, Threewood, it didn't give Bryson or Rory

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:33.279
<v Speaker 3>really anything to think about on Sunday. They knew they

0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:36.840
<v Speaker 3>were going for that green. They figured they would probably

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:39.920
<v Speaker 3>miss the green. In Bryson's case, he did hold the

0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:43.319
<v Speaker 3>green because he was again hitting three wood. But they

0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 3>were fine with the outcomes up there, and there was

0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 3>no legitimate decision being made. And that's what I want

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 3>to say about about thirteen basically, But I want to

0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:57.400
<v Speaker 3>transition us into having a more general discussion here, just

0:56:57.440 --> 0:57:01.760
<v Speaker 3>to wrap up getting out of the minutia big picture

0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Pinehurst number two as an anchor site. My takeaway here

0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:12.360
<v Speaker 3>is that Pinehurst number two is or could be the

0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 3>USGA's Saint Andrew's. And that's not to say that it's

0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 3>as great of a course, or that it has as

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:24.600
<v Speaker 3>much history or as much importance to the history of golf,

0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:30.080
<v Speaker 3>but Pinehurst could be the true anchor site. I have

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.280
<v Speaker 3>no problem with the US Open going there one and

0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:37.360
<v Speaker 3>a half times per decade even now. The aspect of

0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:42.720
<v Speaker 3>the USGA's site selections approach that I do question is

0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:47.200
<v Speaker 3>taking the US Open to Pebble Beach and Oakland with

0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:51.120
<v Speaker 3>almost the same frequency as they do Pinehurst, because to me,

0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Pinehurst is the greater and more obvious anchor site. I

0:57:56.600 --> 0:58:00.000
<v Speaker 3>think Pinehurst should have a unique status when it comes

0:57:59.960 --> 0:58:04.920
<v Speaker 3>to hosting US opens that shouldn't be also given to

0:58:05.280 --> 0:58:09.360
<v Speaker 3>other courses, even to courses as iconic and as great

0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 3>as Pebble Beach at Oakmont. So what are what you

0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:12.880
<v Speaker 3>think of that?

0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, similar takeaways. I think maybe the bigger critique on

0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:20.360
<v Speaker 2>the anchor site. It's not even the anchor site. It's

0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:25.560
<v Speaker 2>just locking up venues for so far out that like,

0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:27.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe that's a bigger problem than anchor site. I've never

0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:30.240
<v Speaker 2>really had an issue with the every five years thing

0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:32.800
<v Speaker 2>with Pinehurst. It honestly feels like a pretty reasonable time

0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:36.360
<v Speaker 2>between championships and the golf course is so good that

0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll be excited every five years. I think some of

0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the something we didn't talk about so far in this

0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:45.960
<v Speaker 2>pod is the way that the tea boxes and the

0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:48.880
<v Speaker 2>greens are close together and the environment that that creates

0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:52.280
<v Speaker 2>where players are watching each other and it's tremendous theater.

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:55.440
<v Speaker 2>I think when you return to a venue every five years,

0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:57.760
<v Speaker 2>you have the data from the past one. You know

0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:01.200
<v Speaker 2>which pin locations work, you know which firmness levels. We're

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:03.880
<v Speaker 2>talking about an area of the country with predictable weather.

0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:07.040
<v Speaker 2>It's dry it's going to play well. So of all

0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:09.560
<v Speaker 2>anchor sites they could pick, I think Piners number two

0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:11.080
<v Speaker 2>is awesome and I'm gonna look forward to it every

0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:13.480
<v Speaker 2>five years. I'm not gonna feel like, man, we were

0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:16.160
<v Speaker 2>just here. Five years is a pretty decent amount of time,

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:18.080
<v Speaker 2>So I'm with it. Yeah.

0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:20.800
<v Speaker 1>To me, I think the thing that I have a

0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>problem with with anchor sites is I think that it

0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:31.200
<v Speaker 1>cuts against the ethos of the US Open in general.

0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:38.439
<v Speaker 1>America or the United States is the country with the

0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:43.000
<v Speaker 1>most great golf courses in the world. There are a

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:46.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of great golf courses in a number of countries,

0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:52.520
<v Speaker 1>but no other country has the sheer number of great

0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:57.200
<v Speaker 1>golf courses and the diversity of great golf courses, types

0:59:57.240 --> 1:00:00.920
<v Speaker 1>of golf courses and top you know where they are

1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:05.440
<v Speaker 1>locales like that, that rich diversity of different areas of

1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the country. To me, the issue when I zoom out

1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:13.280
<v Speaker 1>and look at it is just between Pinehurst and Pebble.

1:00:15.440 --> 1:00:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Of of US opens every ten years, are going to

1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:25.640
<v Speaker 1>two places, And you know, I think Pebble has a

1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:31.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of great history. It's revered, it is a spectacular

1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:34.439
<v Speaker 1>place to watch golf. It's a spectacular place to visit

1:00:34.520 --> 1:00:37.320
<v Speaker 1>for the scenery. I think the golf course. If I

1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:40.400
<v Speaker 1>was looking at if I was ranking golf courses in

1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.320
<v Speaker 1>terms of the way they test modern players, I would

1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 1>put it near the bottom of the golf courses on

1:00:46.920 --> 1:00:50.280
<v Speaker 1>the that are that it's associated with. With this list

1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:54.760
<v Speaker 1>of US Open candidates, not to mention, June is just

1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:56.760
<v Speaker 1>a bad time to be there. You're gonna be it's

1:00:56.760 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna be foggy, and I think so, I think my

1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:05.160
<v Speaker 1>issue is just the sheer quantity of them. I did

1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:08.800
<v Speaker 1>an exercise before this tournament where I kind of listed

1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:12.920
<v Speaker 1>out like courses that could host across the country and

1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:15.800
<v Speaker 1>like taking out this really a lot of the South

1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:20.360
<v Speaker 1>because of just the heat of June. I got to

1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:24.880
<v Speaker 1>like nineteen golf courses that were great hosts all across

1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the country, and to me to have between you know,

1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:32.560
<v Speaker 1>let's just say Oakmonts once every ten years, the fifty

1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:35.960
<v Speaker 1>percent of the US Opens like it just it's not

1:01:36.120 --> 1:01:42.920
<v Speaker 1>representative of the country overall as a as a golf place.

1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:45.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's what this tournament should be about. It's the

1:01:45.360 --> 1:01:50.640
<v Speaker 1>United States Open. The United States Open each year should

1:01:50.720 --> 1:01:54.360
<v Speaker 1>be the best players in the world taking on one

1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:58.160
<v Speaker 1>of the greatest golf courses in the United States in

1:01:58.240 --> 1:02:02.440
<v Speaker 1>different areas that are different styles. I'm okay with like

1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:04.920
<v Speaker 1>hack it out US opens every once in a while.

1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it'd be a mistake if pinehert if we

1:02:07.640 --> 1:02:11.080
<v Speaker 1>just hosted everyone at Pinehurst, it would reward certain types

1:02:11.120 --> 1:02:15.920
<v Speaker 1>of players. The event should thrive on its diversity, its openness,

1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and the great golf in America. That should be the

1:02:19.960 --> 1:02:24.280
<v Speaker 1>core tenants of the tournament. And I think like I'm

1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:27.960
<v Speaker 1>okay with Pinehurst being there regularly, especially with the USGA

1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:32.080
<v Speaker 1>now headquartered there. I was like floored with overall the

1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:36.360
<v Speaker 1>whole setup. I thought it was really great, But I

1:02:36.360 --> 1:02:38.840
<v Speaker 1>have a problem with all the other ones that have

1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:42.760
<v Speaker 1>so many It just it has it really limits the

1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:45.760
<v Speaker 1>amount of variety in this championship, which should be a

1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:48.520
<v Speaker 1>core tenant of the championship because there's a lot of

1:02:48.560 --> 1:02:50.120
<v Speaker 1>variety in American golf.

1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:53.840
<v Speaker 3>I think we're aligned with this. It sounds like if

1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:57.200
<v Speaker 3>you're okay with Pinehurst hosting on a regular basis because

1:02:57.240 --> 1:03:00.440
<v Speaker 3>of its association with the USGA and becase because of

1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:04.760
<v Speaker 3>its excellence through and through as a championship test and

1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:09.520
<v Speaker 3>as a tournament venue for spectators, for TV for everything.

1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:14.800
<v Speaker 3>I think it sounds like we agree. I also like

1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:19.120
<v Speaker 3>the general idea of making the United States Open a

1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:22.800
<v Speaker 3>truly United States tournament where you go all over the

1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:26.440
<v Speaker 3>country and see all the great courses that this country

1:03:26.480 --> 1:03:30.560
<v Speaker 3>has to offer. The only problem with that. It's a

1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:34.600
<v Speaker 3>great idea and concept. In practice, what you get sometimes

1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:41.120
<v Speaker 3>is an LACC type venue, wonderful golf course. But this

1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:45.040
<v Speaker 3>tournament this year blew it out of the water in

1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:51.280
<v Speaker 3>terms of the on site vibe, excitement, and sense of

1:03:51.680 --> 1:03:57.840
<v Speaker 3>real stature and importance that became really, really clear. I

1:03:57.880 --> 1:04:03.760
<v Speaker 3>think La North is a wonderful, wonderful championship golf course

1:04:03.920 --> 1:04:07.040
<v Speaker 3>and it and it didn't get its due last year

1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:11.880
<v Speaker 3>during the US Open, but it did not thrive as

1:04:11.920 --> 1:04:15.320
<v Speaker 3>an on site spectator experience, and that came through on

1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:19.680
<v Speaker 3>the telecast and it affected the entire championship. And so

1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:23.880
<v Speaker 3>I think that the issue with going to many many

1:04:23.880 --> 1:04:28.480
<v Speaker 3>different courses is that these days so few courses can

1:04:28.560 --> 1:04:31.800
<v Speaker 3>host the way that Pinehurst Number two hosts, and you

1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:34.320
<v Speaker 3>have a lot of courses that can kind of do it,

1:04:34.760 --> 1:04:37.720
<v Speaker 3>but might not get all the way there like LACC.

1:04:38.640 --> 1:04:43.080
<v Speaker 1>That's it's a fair, fair critique. I think, but I

1:04:43.080 --> 1:04:46.160
<v Speaker 1>think it's more important to It's one of the things

1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:49.320
<v Speaker 1>that makes the tournament so unique. Like, was what was

1:04:49.360 --> 1:04:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the most times that that Jack Nicholas played a repeat course?

1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:55.360
<v Speaker 1>And is a US Open career. I don't have it

1:04:55.360 --> 1:04:58.760
<v Speaker 1>in front of me, but I can't imagine that. You know,

1:04:58.800 --> 1:05:01.440
<v Speaker 1>in a twenty year career, you could play a course

1:05:01.480 --> 1:05:03.320
<v Speaker 1>four times, So I don't think that would happen.

1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think one of the huge things that has

1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:12.440
<v Speaker 3>changed with modern championship golf is the needs that commercial

1:05:12.520 --> 1:05:19.200
<v Speaker 3>must meet. Yeah, commercial needs, hospitality needs, infrastructural needs. I mean,

1:05:19.520 --> 1:05:23.400
<v Speaker 3>the US Open in the nineteen twenties could go any

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<v Speaker 3>old place, you know, it didn't matter. They could just

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<v Speaker 3>go to the best golf courses. They didn't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But the need for a RODA and for a tighter

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<v Speaker 3>RODA has really started to come to the fore in

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<v Speaker 3>the past several years. Even this has been a fairly

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<v Speaker 3>recent trend that the championships have gotten to a size

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<v Speaker 3>and a complexity that you just need venues with some

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<v Speaker 3>experience hosting this kind of stuff. But like you, I

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<v Speaker 3>do hope they continue to try to keep the road afresh,

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<v Speaker 3>to bring in fresh blood, because otherwise the National Championship

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<v Speaker 3>starts to feel a little bit more stale and that's

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<v Speaker 3>a big danger for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, breaking news, Rory's not playing the Travelers.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a statement on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I guess we're gonna have to wait to

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<v Speaker 2>find out if you can withstand the ultimate pressure until

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<v Speaker 2>another event.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh, the ultimate pressure of the Travelers Championship of.

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<v Speaker 2>A signature event.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hey, listen, I am going to defend the Travelers

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<v Speaker 3>Championship until my dying breath. That's a great tournament in

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<v Speaker 3>any case. Yes, Rory's Rory's not coming back next week,

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<v Speaker 3>and we can kind of understand why that might be

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<v Speaker 3>the case. All Right, guys, thank you for coming on

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<v Speaker 3>the pod. Thank you Joseph, Thank you Andy. We'll do

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<v Speaker 3>it again after the Open Championship in a few weeks.

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