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Speaker 1: What is a fan letter?

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Speaker 4: LARISI that's my pen name.

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Speaker 2: I love it. So how do you then, so they

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Speaker 1: I believe that you wrote my episode of Home Improvement.

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Speaker 2: And so, Susan, how did Boy Meet's World come into

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Speaker 3: Right after the pilot was shot, So I saw the pilot,

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Speaker 3: had a show that was like a science fare show,

443
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 3: and there were two girls who would doing some like

444
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 3: hippie skippy ecological project about it.

445
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: I was one of those, Yes, we're one of those.

446
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 3: No lines, I had a couple of lines. Yeah, no,

447
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 3: you did not.

448
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: I did because I auditioned with Monday.

449
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 3: No and Monday. You may have auditioned for them later,

450
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 3: but on Monday you had You may have auditioned, but

451
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: you did not have lines on Monday. Well.

452
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: It also wasn't a Monday, it was a Friday. We

453
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 2: started our weeks on Fridays. We taped on Thursdays because

454
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 2: Michael left for the Sabbath on Friday night, so a Monday. Forgot,

455
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: it was only there on a Saturday. Correct, you worked

456
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: on Saturdays. I've got it was a different schedule. So

457
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 2: again set roushamont. Okay, So Friday, so we're reading on Friday.

458
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 3: You I don't remember you having lines on Friday, but

459
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 3: I remember David Traynor coming to us, I guess Monday Tuesday,

460
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 3: saying that I would love Riley was not working out,

461
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: but that he had real faith in you and it

462
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: was giving you lines, and we're like, okay, we'll come down.

463
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 3: We'll come down to run through and see how it goes.

464
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: We completely agreed with him, and by Thursday taping you

465
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 3: had all the lines.

466
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not at all what happened. No, no, it's

467
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: not it all. What happened Friday, I was at the

468
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: table read I had like maybe two lines, one in

469
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 2: the classroom, one in the cafeteria, and it was Marl

470
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: and I. Friday afternoon, before I went home, I auditioned

471
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: for Tapanga. On the way home, they called me and

472
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: said you have the role of Tapanga. On Monday, I

473
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: came back in as Tapanga and did the run through.

474
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: I did the whole day as Tapanga.

475
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 3: Remember her having a name in that epoch.

476
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, she did. She had a name from the

477
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: audition I remember, I remember because I auditioned for Topanga.

478
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: I just didn't get it.

479
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: It's so crazy because I would have thought that if

480
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: you went and looked at his script, because we had

481
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 3: we we had no interest in the character at all

482
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 3: until you Danielle.

483
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: Like, the character wasn't big? Was that whole episode was

484
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: about basically about Tapega and her name was in it

485
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: from from the beginning. So yeah, I mean it is.

486
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: It's just memories are weird.

487
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: I remember it. This is again't russiam On. This is

488
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: how I remember. I remember it that it started out

489
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 3: as this nothing role. You didn't have lines. You were

490
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 3: given the lines of the other actress who kind of

491
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: fell by the wayside, right that you got the lines,

492
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: and that after the episode, as we are watching it,

493
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 3: tape magic was happening and we're.

494
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: Like, well I believe that part. I do think that

495
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: Tapanga wasn't ever even after I got the part. Topanga

496
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: wasn't expected to become a mass part of the show.

497
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: And I do know stories because my parents and my

498
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 2: grandparents were there at the live studio audience tapings and

499
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: they would watch from the stands, but where they would

500
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: sit in the stands where it was very close to

501
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: video village, and my grandfather used to tell me every

502
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: single thing Michael said about me while watching the screen.

503
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: And I know that there were on that first taping,

504
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 2: Michael was like right in front of the camera pointing

505
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: at me and going, there's something there, There's something there.

506
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: And so I do one hundred percent know that after

507
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: I booked the role and we started we recorded that episode,

508
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: light bulbs were going off that maybe there could be

509
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 2: more for this character and this actress like that for sure, Yes,

510
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: that's for sure. No one, no one has even questioned

511
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: that Tapega was not supposed to be some like you know, I.

512
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 3: Have to remember you having a name until we started

513
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: writing you into scripts.

514
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: Tapeka was already in the script. I just wasn't her

515
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: on the first day. Somebody else was. And then I

516
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: took over the role on that first day Monday, the

517
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: run through day, and and it stayed the same Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

518
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting because I wouldn't I wouldn't have thought

519
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: that we would have given those few lines a name.

520
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I auditioned for them and they did well.

521
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 3: The lazy I.

522
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 4: Know now, Yeah, she was.

523
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 5: She was named by Bill Lawrence or Michael Jacobs Orman or.

524
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 4: Or so. We've heard different stories.

525
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: Everyone's taking credit. I'm going to go with I'm going

526
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 3: to go with Mike Jacobs because he drove past to

527
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: Panga Canyon every day back and forth to work.

528
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the story. That's the story heard that Michael tells.

529
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: And everybody has their own. Everyone has their own.

530
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: Bill Lawrence got one.

531
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: Yep, Bill Lawrence has got one. That Lawrence is because

532
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: of his last name. That guy. So what was it

533
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: like for I mean, a rare female writer in what

534
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: has everyone admitted was just a big boys club at

535
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: the time, like the nineties writers rooms were big old

536
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: boys club. What was your experience?

537
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 6: Like?

538
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: It was rough? It was, it was well, it was

539
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 3: a lot of things. I mean, I will not betray

540
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: the sanctity of the writer's room because like that was

541
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: the thing about the writer's room was it was this

542
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: incredibly insulated space. Like literally as soon as the door

543
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: opened and somebody walked in, it was silent. Yeah, as

544
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 3: soon as the door closed, it took back up again.

545
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: And what I will say in defense of the Writer's

546
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: Room was that anything went like there. It had to

547
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: be a place where you could pitch anything, anything and

548
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 3: feel like you could say anybody could say anything. Yes,

549
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 3: So for better or for worse, that's kind of a

550
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: rough environment to be in as a you know, I

551
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: was in my twenties.

552
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I.

553
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: Was younger than Yeah, I was young.

554
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: I mean you were like twenty some odd years younger

555
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: than we are now.

556
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: So I was. So it was it was a lot

557
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: to be thrown into, and it was it was. It

558
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: was crazy.

559
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: Did you feel heard? Did you feel like you were okay? Good?

560
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: You felt like your voice mattered?

561
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, great, that's great.

562
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I felt like I felt like I really felt

563
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: like from the jump, Michael really thought I had a

564
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: lot to offer, right, So that really so I felt

565
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: really really good about that. And I just adored the show.

566
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: But you remember there were years that I was gone

567
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: from it because me off to do like other projects

568
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: with him.

569
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: Yep, that happened with a lot of people. That's how

570
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: you know, that's it. We had different sh runners for

571
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: periods of time because Michael was off doing you know,

572
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of other shows, which when you strike while

573
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: of irons Hot Baby, you know.

574
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: So I have I have a question for you.

575
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: Said you came in at the pilot at the.

576
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 5: The pilot had been shot, so at the after the pilot,

577
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sorry, do you were you involved in

578
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 5: my casting at all?

579
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: Because I know that they were, they changed everything up

580
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 4: after the pilot.

581
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: No, I remember Rusty was a huge question mark afterwards.

582
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 4: But that was it you you so you were.

583
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember who was actually in the room

584
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 5: when I was like auditioning or screen testing, and I

585
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 5: was didn't know if you were there or not.

586
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: I honestly can't remember. The one that I remember, really,

587
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: really really being involved with was recasting the dad recasting Rusty.

588
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: For Rusty yeah, because the dad there was a different dad, Yeah,

589
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: recasting and we're yeah.

590
00:29:50,120 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

591
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: So I just want to remind everybody about some of

592
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: our favorite storylines from season one. We have in Killer Bees,

593
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: Eric tries to take a date to an Aerosmith concert,

594
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: but is scared that he's going to run into his parents.

595
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: In It's a Wonderful Life, Eric fails his driver's test

596
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: and pretends to pass while Corey and Sean rents, I'm

597
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: blowing up your head Part five Stumpy's Revenge.

598
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: That sounds like a bluff unscrappt.

599
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: I know, right, it does. Where were your ideas coming from? Like,

600
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: especially since you had worked primarily in family television, do

601
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: you what was your like, where were where was your

602
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: inspiration coming from?

603
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it was it was always it was

604
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: always kind of relationship based. I mean, it was always

605
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: the and Michael always had such a sense of wanting

606
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: to have a great message at the end of the day,

607
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: but not being so dogmatic that you didn't have fun

608
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: getting there.

609
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

610
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: Sure, it was always like some weird, crazy journey and

611
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 3: at the end of it you wound up with, you know,

612
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: be a better brother, don't lie to your parents. Right.

613
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: So I think that it was just remembering my childhood,

614
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: like you just kind of go back and you remember, like,

615
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: what were all the things that I was struggling with

616
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: when I was in sage? What were my hopes, what

617
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: were my dreams. I mean, because I think that when

618
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: you become an adult, you often forget the richness of

619
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: the internal life of children. And it is a rich,

620
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: interesting internal life and more you know, grown up than

621
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: people often give it credit for. I mean, I think

622
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: there's a rule infantalization, and I think that I hopefully

623
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: we got around some of that, and hopefully we really

624
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: you know, talked about things that kids were struggling with.

625
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that, we talked a lot about the

626
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: big change in focus between season one and season two,

627
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: and we talked about the big shift in the writer's

628
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: room as well, with April not coming back. So what

629
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: do you remember about that time about the aging up

630
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: between season one and season two?

631
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: Well, I remember we also didn't we also lose Mincas.

632
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah right, he was gone.

633
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: Ye yeah, manas I missed because he was again he

634
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: was part of this kind of younger world. And it

635
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: was funny because I was talking to my son about

636
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: this and he was he was asking me to like

637
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: tell him about the show, and I, you know, I said,

638
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: it started as really a kid show, and then as

639
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: the kids grew up, the show kind of grew up

640
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: with them. Yeah. I think that was that was sort

641
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: of it was clear to us that you guys were

642
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: growing up and we had to and we really had

643
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: to deal with that moving forward. I mean, the one

644
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: I remember was when you called up Danielle and You're like,

645
00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: I want to go by here.

646
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: It was during the summer. Hey guys, so it's summer

647
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: and I really want to cut my hair. And Michael's like, what.

648
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: Don't you talk about?

649
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: I know episode, I know that is live. That episode is,

650
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: I will say, one of my favorite Hollywood memories and

651
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: I to this day tell the story of it.

652
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: Do you okay? I want to know from your perspective,

653
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: because again, Russiamon, we all have our own. Did you

654
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: feel like an enormous sense of responsibility behind me, like

655
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: cutting off my hair? What was going on behind the scenes?

656
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so I felt an enormous sense of responsibility

657
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: for you cutting off your hair because I remember, like

658
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: I was the girl with like the crazy I always

659
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: had the crazy long hair, and I remember that I

660
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: decided that I wanted to get the Dorothy Hamill haircut.

661
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it was. I looked like the late

662
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: great Elvis Presley.

663
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 5: It was.

664
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: So when you said you wanted to cut your hair.

665
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: I had this sense like this was going to be

666
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: more emotional than you realized. Yeah, you know, does that

667
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 3: make sense.

668
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: Totally that you were like, Oh, she thinks it's going

669
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: to be no big deal, but there's a big sense

670
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: of identity there that she doesn't realize.

671
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 3: Is why it was so important for us to do

672
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 3: the episode and not just have it be oh, she

673
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: cut her hair, because it's like, it's it's huge, And

674
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: I knew that all any mom who had ever had

675
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: long hair was going to be like lued to the screen. Yes,

676
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: and I remember it was it was it was only

677
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: about you cutting your hair, very very peripherally, because it

678
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 3: was about Corey and about his sense of who he

679
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: was and what his looks were and how he presented

680
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: to the world. And you grabbing your hair and in

681
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: the bathroom and just hugging it out to prove to

682
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 3: him that that your physical being was not your internal being,

683
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: that like the person you were was not a function

684
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: of how you looked.

685
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 2: Right, And then of course she proves him wrong because

686
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: she immediately becomes a totally changes.

687
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, the whole total meltdown, but that but eventually

688
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: it comes around, right, so I remember you having literally

689
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: before you you grabbed your hair, you grabbed the scissors,

690
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 3: and you melt it down. I remember we stopped taping.

691
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?

692
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: No, Oh, but I do. I do remember that. It

693
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: was a real stop and start. There was the you're

694
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna grab your hair and you're gonna

695
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: cut your hair, and then and and we'll let you

696
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: know when you can actually do it. And in the

697
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: between times Jeff McCracken would yell stop or Michael would

698
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: yell stop because we could only cut my hair like

699
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: one good yell cut which and then the way I

700
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: was gonna get to go and finish it was just

701
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: they weren't gonna yell anything. And so I was like,

702
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: I even remember then when nobody yelled anything. I was like,

703
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: I remember crying that.

704
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: Day, but I don't why. I don't remember you crying.

705
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I thought. You were crying because

706
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: it was taking so long. You were getting yelled at.

707
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: I feel like you were getting yelled at.

708
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: I was getting yelled at. I remember getting yelled at.

709
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: It wasn't because you've cut your hair. I think you

710
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: wanted to cut your.

711
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: Hair to cut my hair. It was just.

712
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 4: At this point.

713
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember you not I remember you not being

714
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: sure that you could do it. I remember going back

715
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: into the makeup area with you, and and I remember

716
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: this is how I remember that. You were like, I

717
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: can't do this, this is too much, it's overwhelming. I

718
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: just can't. And we stopped, and I remember going in

719
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I was the only one

720
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: who spoke to you. I can't imagine that I was

721
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: the only one who spoke to you at this point,

722
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: and like your mom would have been there talking to you. Yeah, probably,

723
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: But I remember talking to you and trying to walk

724
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: you through the lesson of the episode, which was its hair.

725
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I promise you there was nothing I

726
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: wanted more at the time than to cut my hair.

727
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: I really wanted to cut my hair. I was so

728
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: sick of my long hair. I felt like it's like

729
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: a child with long hair. I wanted to cut it.

730
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: I do remember that the actual filming of it was

731
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: very stressful, and I remember Michael coming up to me,

732
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: and probably because he had heard your story of you

733
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: cutting your hair and you saying, you know, you look

734
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: like Elvis. After Michael coming up to me, and going

735
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: show me where you're gonna cut it, Show me where,

736
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: show me where on your short Where are you gonna

737
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: cut it? When you say you want short hair, where

738
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: are you gonna do it? And being like I'm gonna

739
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: cut it to hair and said no, you're gonna do

740
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: it here, do it here, do it down here, and

741
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: being like okay, and like grabbing my hair and figuring

742
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: out where the scissors were going to go. And again

743
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: it was you know, when I wasn't supposed to cut

744
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: my hair, they would yell stop and somebody would come

745
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: running in and it'd be like, okay, I didn't cut

746
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: my hair. I didn't cut my hair. And we did

747
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: that so many times. We had to make sure we

748
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: had all the shots we needed. And then when I

749
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: was supposed to go, just nobody said anything, and then

750
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: I just took the scissors and started hacking away at it.

751
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: And then that night I got to go home with

752
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: half cut hair, and all I could remember was thinking, Oh,

753
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: I'm just so excited to have this haircut done tomorrow.

754
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: I'll have this good professional haircut tomorrow, which was very,

755
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: very exciting for me. Yeah, So how much when you're

756
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: writing a script and you come up with an idea

757
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: and the writer's room gets it and they start, you know,

758
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: putting it all together. How much detail goes into a

759
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: script and how much of the thought that like we've

760
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: heard from, you know, when we would sit in note

761
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: sessions and Michael would tell us about this is really

762
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: what this is about and it's about this and all

763
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: the different layers. How much of that is talked about

764
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: in the writer's room while you're putting together the script.

765
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's there's a few processes to putting together

766
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 3: this script. So there's there's sort of this initial germ

767
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: of an idea, and sometimes the germ of an idea

768
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: is generated by the writer and sometimes by the room,

769
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: and if it's generated by the room, it gets assigned

770
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: to somebody. If it's generated by the writer, you usually

771
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 3: get to hang on to that germ of an idea

772
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 3: and kind of go with it. Right, So you have

773
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: the germ of the idea, you sort of lay out

774
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: the the react structure and the you know, the basic

775
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: movement and kind of what it's about, and then the

776
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 3: writer goes home and writes the script.

777
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, all on their own.

778
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: And then you come back and then they rip your

779
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: baby to pieces and like bring ands dining in and

780
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: giving it a electro shock, and yeah, yeah, Michael was

781
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: notorious for that because I remember, and it was all

782
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: always the same. I love the Manta death, but it

783
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: was always the same. He would I would come in

784
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: and he would tell me what an amazing job I

785
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: had done and how much he loved the script, and

786
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: then he would put it up on the screen and

787
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: erase yep, erase it, and then we would start again.

788
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 3: Why did I go out? Like why did I?

789
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: Hey, why did I do that?

790
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: Why did I do that?

791
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 6: Why did I do it?

792
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: But I will tell you what I really admire about Michael,

793
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: and what I really admired about the other guys I

794
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 3: worked for, which was not an industry standard, was he'd

795
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: never put his name on.

796
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: Scripts, right, Yeah, sure, he never.

797
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: Put He did so much work and so much writing,

798
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: and he never put his name on scripts. And as

799
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: you know now from all those little green envelopes that

800
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 3: come to you, there's a financial cost to that, right,

801
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: He never ever ever did it. And I remember when

802
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: I went on and I did Lizzie and I did

803
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: other things, same thing. I refuse to do it. I

804
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: just I am not putting my name. I don't care

805
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: how much work I put into this. I'm this is

806
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: for the writers.

807
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a political speech writer, where it's you know,

808
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 5: you're never going to take credit for any of the

809
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 5: speeches that any of the presidents or senators or anything.

810
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: A lot of but a lot of people did there.

811
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: There were other there were other people out there who did.

812
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: And I always really admired Michael that he didn't.

813
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 5: Now, I know you said you're not going to violate

814
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 5: the sanctity of the writer's room, and I totally respect that.

815
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 7: I do.

816
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: No.

817
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 5: Just curiously though, because we've heard a lot about kind

818
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 5: of season one, the split that was in the room,

819
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 5: because it was like team Michael and team April.

820
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: I mean all the way. I loathed April Kelly really,

821
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I loathe that woman.

822
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: Why she was.

823
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 3: She was not a woman's woman is perhaps the best

824
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 3: way to put it. Like you would have thought that

825
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: going into the writer's room, I would have had an

826
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: ally in the other woman in the room. She really

827
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: she hated me from the jump. She hated me from

828
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: the jump because Michael liked me and thought I was talented,

829
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: and she found she was one of those zero sum

830
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: people that there's a limited amount of talent and success

831
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: in the world and anyone who had any of it

832
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: was taking it out of her pocket. Hm.

833
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 4: Wow, okay, yeah, I have.

834
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: I have. There are very few people I don't have

835
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: anything nice to say about. She's one of them.

836
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, hey, we're trying to get because again we're

837
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 5: not there. We're kids were not in the writer's room.

838
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 5: We have no idea the dynamic that's happening there. So

839
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 5: as adults, we're just trying to get as many stories

840
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 5: as we can and piece everything together. So for the

841
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 5: most part, we're you know, people April did not want

842
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 5: to come on but had a kind of read a

843
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 5: statement on the air. But we've had other people on

844
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 5: that were quote unquote team April, and then we've had

845
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: people on that we're team Michael. And again, one of

846
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 5: the things that we always say that was such a

847
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 5: positive experience for us is we were completely kept out

848
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 5: of this.

849
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want you to see mom and dad finding.

850
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 5: Right exactly, And and that was to the benefit of

851
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 5: the adults that were around us. There's a lot of

852
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 5: things that the adults did that weren't great, but that

853
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 5: was one thing that was phenomenal is they made sure

854
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 5: that that didn't spill onto the set. We didn't know

855
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: any of it was going on, so we're kind of

856
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 5: piecing these stories together as we go, and and it's

857
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 5: it's interesting because some people will come on and say,

858
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 5: I'm not going to talk about anything that happened in

859
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 5: the writer's room, and again I completely and totally respect that,

860
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 5: And then some people will come on and give us

861
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 5: little nuggets, and then other people will come on and say, like,

862
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 5: I hated that person. So we're just trying to get

863
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 5: a glimpse into what the room was like.

864
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 4: Frankly, So it's it's really.

865
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: We'll never know because so many different perspectives.

866
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's interesting because I guess what I was

867
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: saying about. Like with Michael, I always felt like he

868
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: really liked me and liked my work and wanted me

869
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: involved and was and was like really there to to

870
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: incubate talent and to and to get the most out

871
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 3: of a person. I found very much the opposite from April.

872
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: I found that that she was the one who was

873
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 3: going to flat out ignore me, flat out not listen

874
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: to anything I had to say, scorn me, mock me.

875
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: I mean like, yeah, okay, she had two writers that

876
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: were hers can Kudah and was the other woman was

877
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: a wasn't even a writer.

878
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: She was our writers assistance, Yeah, writer assistant.

879
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: But she insisted on her getting a script. I think.

880
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: Jeanette.

881
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, those were her two people. Those were Jeanette.

882
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 4: Jeanette came on the pod and and and kind of.

883
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 2: Was wrote and her scripts were both great.

884
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean she had her scripts were wonderful in

885
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 5: season one, and we we liked them so much that

886
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 5: we were like, we have to track her down. And

887
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 5: she gave us one perspective, frankly, of what it was

888
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 5: like to be in the writer's room and it was

889
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 5: very much team April. So you know, we want to

890
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 5: make sure that we're as balanced and fair as we

891
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 5: can be.

892
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: And I can really, I can really really see that

893
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 3: because it is so hard to get a break and

894
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: for and April really did put herself out for these two.

895
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: April really really they were absolutely her hires, her people.

896
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 3: She asked care of.

897
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: Them, and so was Bill Lawrence, who was another person

898
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: she was really fighting to, you know, get a script,

899
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: and then he pitched us back and it got through Yeah,

900
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: what are your memories of us as kids? Like, how

901
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: did you guys, how did you specifically see us?

902
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: Well, I will say, I just you know, I don't

903
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: feel like I got to spend an enormous amount of

904
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: time with you.

905
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

906
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: I I felt like all the time I spent with

907
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 3: you was kind of working time. But when I did

908
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 3: get a chance to be with you outside of that,

909
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: I was always so proud. I always felt like you

910
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: guys were such good kids with such good values. I

911
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: remember writer, when you got your first paycheck, you bought books. Yeah, yeah,

912
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: you bought beautiful, beautiful, beautiful books. And I'm like, these

913
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: are these are wonderful kids. And I really felt like

914
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 3: Michael was really a family man and he really did

915
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: try to keep a respectful, family oriented set.

916
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

917
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: I really admired that. I really admired that, and I

918
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: and when I went on, that was like important to

919
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: me to like, it's got to be a good family set.

920
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: What who are some of your favorite guest stars that

921
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: we had over the years. I mean we had Brittany Murphy,

922
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: Tony Quinn obviously, who was there for all of second season, Uh,

923
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, an a third season also Adam Scott like,

924
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 2: did you have any favorite guest stars? Was it Trick

925
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: one of the Yeah, one of the guitarists.

926
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 4: The guitarist from Chick was there.

927
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that was yeah, that was like.

928
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.

929
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 4: That was tongues though he was I think he was.

930
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 4: Was he one of the tongues?

931
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: He was one of the tongues?

932
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: Okay, he was one of the tongues.

933
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: Interesting, and you worked with Sherman a bunch too, because

934
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: if you went on to You Wish, that was basically YouTube, right.

935
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 3: You Wish was like, I remember when we finished You Wish,

936
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: my Nina Bargell, I don't know who was my assistant

937
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: and who I took on to be a writer on

938
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: Lizzie she as She came to me with all the

939
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 3: scripts for You Wish, and she asked what should I

940
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 3: do with them? And I said, hang on to them

941
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: and if I ever get like two full of myself,

942
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: just bust out these scripts and sholm to me.

943
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: So that was not a great experienced experience. Apparently it was.

944
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: It was so interesting, it was like it was surreal.

945
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: It was absolutely surreal because you know, we had created

946
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 3: this show with a genie who could do anything. So

947
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: then you had to come up with all the reasons

948
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: why the genie couldn't just solve every problem with like

949
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: the snack.

950
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 6: Fingers.

951
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: And we and then we kind of a lot of

952
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: times we went down the uh I dream of Genie road,

953
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: which was, you know, the major told her that she

954
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: can't use her right. So but we'd switched the sexes,

955
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: so the we had a female mom and then the

956
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: male Genie. So the mom just came off as the

957
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 3: depth of all fun. You must not ever do any

958
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 3: fun right, and it was. And then we spent more

959
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 3: money on that than we were so insanely over budget

960
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: on that. But I will say that I was the

961
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: one who pitched that he lived in Barbie's dream house,

962
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: which I felt was prescient.

963
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: Huh, there you go.

964
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, we are going to build Barbie's dreamhouse and

965
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: that is where the genie is going to live.

966
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: I love that. Well, you left us and you went

967
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: on too EP and scored two Emmy nominations for Lizzie McGuire.

968
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: So what was that experience? Like? Tell us everything about

969
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: being on Lizzie McGuire.

970
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: I loved it. It was the same sort. It was interesting.

971
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: I came in right after the pilot, and the woman

972
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 3: who had written the pilot got had written two pilots

973
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: that year, one with Gena Davis, and she decided to

974
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: go do the Gena Davis pilot. And Disney asked me

975
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: if I wanted to take over this little show on

976
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 3: the Disney Channel, and I'm like, absolutely, that sounds like,

977
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: you know, let me come in look at it. And

978
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: it was kind of a train wreck, and I rewrote

979
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: it and reshot it, and we were filming over in

980
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: Hollywood and Disney was over in Burbank. And because it

981
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: was like such this little crappy thing, nobody really wanted

982
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: to drive. So I kind of got to do my

983
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 3: own thing. And it was really, really, really fun. I

984
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: got to be my own little vision and I just

985
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: loved every minute of it. But at the end, there was,

986
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: you know, there was a certain amount of infighting and

987
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: Hillary really wanted to go on and have a movie career,

988
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: and she forced Disney to cancel the series, which kind

989
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 3: of broke my heart.

990
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how long did it last?

991
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: We were only on for two seasons, and of the

992
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: second season, we went and we did the Lizzie McGuire movie,

993
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: which I did Dector and Strauss great. Brought in Dector

994
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: and Stress to rewrite me because they were like, oh like, well,

995
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: we're going to bringing people to rewrite you. And I'm

996
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: like who, and they said, Doctor and Strauss. I'm like, yes,

997
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 3: bring them, this is going to be perfect. So we

998
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: got together and did a writer's room and redid it

999
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: and it was. It was the most awesome experience being

1000
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: back with those guys. But in order to agree to

1001
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 3: do the movie, she insisted that the series be canceled.

1002
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: She wouldn't do the movie unless they canceled the series.

1003
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was kind of par for the course at

1004
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 5: the time there where it was it was Miley Cyrus

1005
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 5: and everybody that were kind of wanted to break out of.

1006
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 4: The Disney show.

1007
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 5: So they went and did you know, covers of magazines

1008
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 5: or something where it was, you know, try to be

1009
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 5: provocative in some way to get Disney to let them go.

1010
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 4: So yeah, interesting time.

1011
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: Well, back then Disney Channel just didn't It was you know,

1012
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: it was like there was Network and then there was

1013
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: Disney Channel. And also just even being on a kids show,

1014
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, like it was always there was it was

1015
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: hard to move out of any of those.

1016
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 5: Realms and if we thought we were on a kid show,

1017
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 5: if you were on a Disney Channel show, you were

1018
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 5: like exact.

1019
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: And the budgets, I mean, Disney Is just notoriously did

1020
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: not spend money on their shows either, you know, like

1021
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: Disney Channel shows would just have no budget compared to

1022
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 1: a network show.

1023
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1024
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: So, looking back now thirty years later, as a name

1025
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: that is just so ingrained with Boy Meets World from

1026
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: the start, what are your thoughts on Boy Meets World today?

1027
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: Are you shocked to see that it still resonates all

1028
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: these years later despite at the time it being a

1029
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: mid level hit.

1030
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 3: No, absolutely not, because there's something so essentially good about it.

1031
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 3: And it really was a show designed for a family

1032
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 3: to watch together. It was really a TGII show. I

1033
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: tried to put in enough humor for adults to watch

1034
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 3: and kids to enjoy and never have a moment when

1035
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 3: the parents would be remotely concerned about what they were

1036
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: going to see. And so I and honestly I miss it.

1037
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: Obviously. W GA is on strike. But what are you

1038
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: doing now or are you are? Do you consider yourself

1039
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: to be retired semi retired? Would you? Would you? What

1040
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: do you want? What do you want to do now?

1041
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, what do I want to do? Now?

1042
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 3: I'm doing I'm doing some charity work. I my mom

1043
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: and I just my mom is still a lot ninety

1044
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 3: years old.

1045
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: Has she has she forgiven you for not being a poet?

1046
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: No? He literally still harps on it, literally to this day,

1047
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 3: harps on it no matter what.

1048
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 7: Come on.

1049
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: I she and I just bought a vet clinic in

1050
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: Barstow to offer low cost veterinaries services to the high

1051
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: desert community.

1052
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: Oh that's great, Wow, that's wonderful.

1053
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: That is charity work. And then my college roommate and

1054
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 3: I are just finishing up a novel. My college roommate

1055
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 3: she was also became like kind of famous in her

1056
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 3: own right. She wrote Dying Young, the Julia Roberts movie

1057
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: in a movie, so she was sort of a big novelist.

1058
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: So we decided to sit down and write and oh,

1059
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 3: my god, this is like, this is crazy. You guys

1060
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: don't even know this about me. My great grandmother was

1061
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 3: a serial killer.

1062
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 4: This is.

1063
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: How do we not start with that?

1064
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Always lead with serial killer grandma?

1065
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: Now you have to have me back, right.

1066
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 2: That's true.

1067
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 3: It was a serial killer. And my thought was like, not, like,

1068
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 3: how do you wind up like kind of doing that? Right?

1069
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: How do you get into that sort of work?

1070
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: Thank you exactly. So I'm like, there's a story there.

1071
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: And so that's what you're writing a novel about. Oh wow,

1072
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: well it was nice, docu. It was great to see you.

1073
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, can you give us the cliff notes version

1074
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: of who this person was and what she did?

1075
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: Can we get a little bit about her?

1076
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: Okay? So she she We have very long generations in

1077
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 3: my family. We take a long time to like get traction.

1078
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: So this was She finally died in Miami in the fifties,

1079
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: swathed in jewels and furs.

1080
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,479
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. That's how I want to go.

1081
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 3: Uncaught, Like nobody ever caught her. Seven seven husbands died,

1082
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 3: yes we according to family lore, only six of them

1083
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 3: were intentional.

1084
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: Oh, one died of natural causes.

1085
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: Well that's okay, right, six maybe, and then she would

1086
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 3: but she got away with it because well once she

1087
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 3: was staggeringly beautiful. So and she was. She was a

1088
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 3: beautiful young woman in a time when beautiful young women

1089
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: didn't have a lot of options. She had an unattractive

1090
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: cousin who was a mathematician who wrote the mathematics describing

1091
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 3: the surface tension of water. So great grandmother was not

1092
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 3: an idiot, but she was very had very few opportunities,

1093
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: and marrying well was a real opportunity.

1094
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 5: Most serial killers are actually pretty smart. Yeah, most most

1095
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Speaker 5: serial killers are actually pretty smart. If you look at

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Speaker 5: some of the bundies and all the I don't know,

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Speaker 5: I know that, but they're all okay, so.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's going to be a fun book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sort of, I said it. I brought it, I

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Speaker 3: modernized it somewhat. I brought it up into the San

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00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: Fernando Valley in the eighties and sort of made it

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00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: Pilma and Louise meets Casino Coo.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 4: And now is this?

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Speaker 5: Did the serial killer aspect make its way into any

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Speaker 5: you Wish episodes or you It's so weird.

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Speaker 3: It was always such a it was it was like

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Speaker 3: telling somebody that I had blue eyes. Like it was

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00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: just it seems so obvious. I don't know why. I

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Speaker 3: always thought it was obvious that people would kind of.

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Speaker 2: That you had a serial killer killer grandmother.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like it just seemed like it wasn't

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Speaker 3: worth mentioning.

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Speaker 4: I always assumed.

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Speaker 5: I always assumed you, yeah, someone I didn't want to

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Speaker 5: bring it up because I figured everybody knew. But I

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00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 5: was like, I bet her grandmother was a serial killer.

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Speaker 4: I just figured, okay.

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. So I'm working on that. And then, you know,

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Speaker 3: I have a fourteen year old son. Wow, I have

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Speaker 3: a fourteen year old son who wanted to say hello?

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Speaker 3: Did you want to say hello? So excited about.

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Speaker 2: How are you? I? Well, what's your son's name?

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Speaker 3: My name is Jeffrey, Hi, Jeffrey, Jeffrey. My mom's a legend.

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Speaker 5: Did she just break the news to you that your

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Speaker 5: great grandmother is a serial killer?

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Speaker 3: Great great I was sitting on the chair over there.

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Speaker 3: I was just like, oh my god, yeah to know that. No,

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Speaker 3: we've been talking about this for years. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: See this is what I all the family dinners that

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00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: I haven't been picking up on this.

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00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: But it's just not like things are starting to make sense.

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00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 3: But I would say that if you can't really go

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Speaker 3: back to television and be a mom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 3: So, but now he's you know, now he's a big guy.

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00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: So now he's old enough, and I'm thinking about maybe

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00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: dipping my toe back in just because it was. It

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00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: was the great greatest. I mean, yeah, now, wasn't it

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00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: the greatest?

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Speaker 2: It was. It was a good time.

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Speaker 3: Every day you got up and you were so excited

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00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 3: about showing up, Like there was never a day that

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00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 3: I didn't wake up thrilled to be going to work.

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00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, and.

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00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 3: Just loving every minute of it, even when it was

1147
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 3: like stressful or annoying. I always knew it was amazing.

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00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: I was always and that's what I was saying about,

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00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 3: like that hit feeling like that.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, it was such a positive set. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like we were always laughing. We

1152
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: were always having a good time.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to go to work every day too.

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Speaker 2: I was excited same, I couldn't wait. Well, Susan, thank

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00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: you so much for coming on and sharing your experiences

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00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: and your stories with us. It was so great to

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Speaker 2: see you again.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yes, and when I finished my book,

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00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 3: when I finished my Serial Killer book, I will come

1160
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 3: back and I will plug it with you.

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00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: Yes, please, Well, we also want to have you come

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00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: back when we eventually get to a recap one of

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Speaker 2: your episodes. We'd love to have you come back and

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Speaker 2: do a little recap with us and talk about all

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01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: that when we get to it.

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Speaker 3: I would love to do it.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you guys later, another reunion in the books guys,

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01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 2: thirty years, thirty years in the making.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think the biggest issue that we

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Speaker 1: face with memories with this podcast is Hollywood is a

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Speaker 1: place of stories, and everyone not only loves to tell

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Speaker 1: you know, everyone is a natural storyteller. If you're in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: whether you're your actor, you're a writer, you're a producer,

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: you love stories and you love to tell stories. And

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Speaker 1: so a side effect of that is that everyone creates

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Speaker 1: stories while you're on set, while you're so it's like,

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Speaker 1: so she had, you know, for instance, like the haircutting

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Speaker 1: story right right, Like we all have our own version.

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Speaker 1: But in reality, like what she's remembering is mostly her

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Speaker 1: writing the script and which was the story of that,

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01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: and she's transposed I think what she remembers you being

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01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: upset that day, she's made it about the haircutting story,

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01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: and it's like it's a story on a story and

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01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: a story. So she's been able to tell a version

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Speaker 1: of that, you know, as part of her career, part

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Speaker 1: of her the writing experience she had. Whereas, of course

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Speaker 1: you had a much more like visceral reaction to like

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01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: grown men yelling at you while you're cutting your hair.

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Speaker 1: That's when you were crying.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to cut your hair.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to cut my hair. And I was asked,

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Speaker 2: could you please wait to write an episode about it?

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Speaker 1: But she has thirty years of storytelling.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, she wrote her hair was very an

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Speaker 2: emotional experience. So no matter what happened with what with

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Speaker 2: the screaming, or why I could have been yelling somewhere,

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Speaker 2: she would have thought. She doesn't know it, but she's

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Speaker 2: also very emotional about her hair, like for her because

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Speaker 2: that was her experience. And so what she has remembered

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Speaker 2: from that is that I was so emotional about losing

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Speaker 2: my hair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode

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