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Speaker 1: On today's episode of News, we're talking about news.

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Speaker 2: It's news.

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Speaker 3: Hello, my name is Jason except you and I'm Rosie

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Speaker 3: Night and Welcome back to ext Revision, the podcast where

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Speaker 3: we dive deep with your favorite shows, movies, comics, pop culture.

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Speaker 3: Coming in from my art podcast, we'll review three episode week.

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Speaker 1: It's no news, It's news.

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Speaker 4: It's today's previousy. On episode, we are catching up with

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Speaker 4: the biggest gek news of the week, including Doom Say

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Speaker 4: Avengers trailer and an interview with cartoonist Nathan Gelgood about

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Speaker 4: his super fun comic Real Politic and the books he

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Speaker 4: thinks you should be buying for your loved ones this Christmas.

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Speaker 3: First up, a new Hugh Jackman uh starring trailer, The

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Speaker 3: Sheep Did Detectives, in which Hugh Jackman plays a shepherd

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Speaker 3: who reads Agatha Christie mystery novels.

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Speaker 1: Too has heard of sheep.

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Speaker 3: Who are the sentient sheep who speak to each other

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Speaker 3: and are hanging on every word.

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Speaker 1: But then what happens when one day.

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Speaker 3: This shepherd is murdered. Who will solve the case? Obviously

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Speaker 3: the sheep who have been training to do it. This

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Speaker 3: struck me as like Babe meets Agatha Christie and I'm

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Speaker 3: here for it.

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Speaker 4: It looks so good. Like this might sounded like a

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Speaker 4: truly insane thing to talk about, but guys, this movie

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Speaker 4: looks amazing, kind of like Knives Out for kids or

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Speaker 4: Babe the Creepiness of Babe Pig in the City, but

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Speaker 4: for this generation of kids. Plus Emma Thompson, Patrick Stewart,

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Speaker 4: Brian haranston All, they're voicing some of these sheep. I

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Speaker 4: love a murder mystery. This was one where we started

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Speaker 4: sharing it in the group Chatman in Commas and ain'ts

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Speaker 4: to each other. We're putting it and it's slowly It's like, no,

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Speaker 4: we got to put this in news. This thing is

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Speaker 4: like so weird and also mainly like no one really

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Speaker 4: knew it was coming out, but now every single critic

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Speaker 4: is like, this is up though with the most anticipated

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Speaker 4: movies of the year for me, looks absolutely delightful and

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Speaker 4: comes out on the eighth of May next year, so

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Speaker 4: it's going to be in that big blockbust of time,

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Speaker 4: so they must be feeling good about it.

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Speaker 1: Up next, Steven Spielberg is back in the.

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Speaker 3: Aliens in playing with aliens and playing with alien invasions

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Speaker 3: and showing us what would happen if aliens were coming

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Speaker 3: to Earth?

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Speaker 1: With the initial.

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Speaker 3: Teaser for his I think you know much hyped upcoming

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Speaker 3: movie Disclosure Day, starring Emily josh O'Connor, Coleman Domingo, And

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Speaker 3: this movie is going to devil into the question what

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Speaker 3: if aliens were visiting Earth? And what if you had

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Speaker 3: the ability to tell everyone on Earth that that was

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Speaker 3: happening all at once. I can't wait for this movie.

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Speaker 3: And the trailer doesn't show you much, but I'm intrigued.

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Speaker 4: Looks very interested. I love Emily Blunt, I love Common Domingo,

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Speaker 4: josh Ocnna just great in that New Knives Up movie. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: Emily Blunt is a legend. I'm very excited. We haven't

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Speaker 4: seen Steven Spielberg in the sci fi space like this

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Speaker 4: for a while. This can he does he still have

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Speaker 4: with good reviews, could become a big event movie in

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Speaker 4: the summer next year. I would love to see a

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Speaker 4: return to those apparently an original idea. And yeah, can't

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Speaker 4: wait for this movie. It looks so interesting. Gonna be

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Speaker 4: out in June of next year. June twelfth, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: I'm super excited. You know, it's Steven Spielberg and Aliens.

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Speaker 3: We're back, baby, next up. According to IGN, Marvel fans

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Speaker 3: trailer for Avengers Doomsday, the upcoming Avengers Doomsday.

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Speaker 4: We're so oh.

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Speaker 3: I rate they were screaming and posting I want my

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Speaker 3: money back now.

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Speaker 1: I have theories about this, but.

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Speaker 3: Rosie, your initial thoughts on Marvel fans being disappointed that

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Speaker 3: the Doomsday teaser was not at certain Fire and Ice screenings.

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Speaker 4: I've worked in a movie theater. You've worked in a

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Speaker 4: we know since COVID that people have not necessarily since

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Speaker 4: in certain ways. We've seen it in movie theaters, We've

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Speaker 4: It seems to me mostly like this is an issue

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Speaker 4: you don't know what trailer real got sent out to

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Speaker 4: wrong trailers before the movie, Like, they cannot promise you that.

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Speaker 4: But I do understand, and in this case, I do

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Speaker 4: think this is a Disney issue of promising people that

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Speaker 4: and then it not being there. I understand why. Now

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Speaker 4: around the trailer that we got before this anyway, because

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Speaker 4: the trailers were leaked, or at least the trailer the

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Speaker 4: Captain America, right, but the content of the other trailers

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Speaker 4: was also leaked. The people describing what was in them,

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Speaker 4: and because of how close to that the Steve Rodgers

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Speaker 4: one was, it seems like it of confound that. Jason,

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Speaker 4: Can you tell us a little bit more about what

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. Call me a sucker, call me

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Speaker 3: a Marvel apologist. I did watch the leak. I understand

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Speaker 3: that there is a note of desperation in going back

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Speaker 3: to your original cast. I think what Marvel clearly is

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Speaker 3: trying to do here is reboot the ending, not reboot

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Speaker 1: But you know, call me a sucker, but I like

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Speaker 3: The Steve Rogers teaser with him and starting a family.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was I'm a sucker for it. Like, yes,

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Speaker 3: there's a whiff of desperation. I will say this, though,

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Speaker 3: I think that it is all to build buzz. People

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Speaker 5: I right, yeah, yeah yeah, and disappointed that they they

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Speaker 3: I think this is all pr to build buzz for

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, like, how long has it been

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Speaker 4: so Disney's probably very happy about this. I agree. Look,

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Speaker 4: But yes, very exciting. I can't believe next year we're

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Speaker 3: Sad and tragic and shocking news that I'm sure everyone

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Speaker 4: Worst kind of tragedy. But something that I think has

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Speaker 4: the incredible stand by Me he made obviously when Harry

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Speaker 4: And this had been an ongoing battle within this family's life.

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Speaker 4: When I was a kid, I had a friend who

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Speaker 4: have too many ideas. I always need to be culling

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00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 4: at least one or two ideas.

440
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Like another project, another thing that I had

441
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 7: like a rough draft of a few years ago, which

442
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 7: was also about being obsessed with movies. I had somebody

443
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 7: read it and he was like, I don't know these people,

444
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 7: but I know record collectors. And he was like, so

445
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 7: this is I can read this the same way. So

446
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 7: I think that speaks to the to the thing about

447
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 7: like any time that you find and movies themselves too,

448
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 7: Like anytime a movie takes place in a like micro world.

449
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 7: Mm hmmm, it's it's immediately interesting. Even if you don't

450
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 7: understand all the like rules and norms of that little world,

451
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 7: just it taking place in there, it becomes fascinating.

452
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

453
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 4: I think a lot about Clerks in that way, Like

454
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 4: when I was young. You know, not not to invoke

455
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 4: the world's most famous comic book lover, Kevin Smith, but

456
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: that Clerks was a movie where when I was young,

457
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 4: I didn't understand a lot of it, but just the

458
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 4: fact that they were just hanging out in the video store,

459
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I can. I want to do

460
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 4: this with my friends, Like if I have to work

461
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 4: in a shop, I would rather do it this way.

462
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 4: So I love that aspect of it. And also as

463
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 4: this is our this is our gift guide segment, and

464
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 4: I'm telling everyone to go and buy Real Politic for

465
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 4: your comic book lovers or your film lovers. I got

466
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 4: copy of it for my granddad this year. I think

467
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 4: he is gonna love it. We watch a lot of

468
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: old art house cinema and also extremely like extreme you know,

469
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 4: Asian cinema and stuff that his wife won't watch. So

470
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 4: so we have a very deep connection over cinema. But

471
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 4: he is gonna love this because, I mean, my grandma

472
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 4: is incredible. She got like a she got like a

473
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 4: certificate from Spain from the Socialist Party. Like, she's a

474
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 4: total badass. So even though she might not have the

475
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 4: same taste in movies, I think they will both enjoy it. Okay,

476
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 4: So for you, as somebody who loves comic books, what

477
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 4: are you gonna be buying someone if you had to

478
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 4: buy someone a comic book that is not your comic book?

479
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 7: Oh?

480
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 8: Right, now that's a good question.

481
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, what is a comic that's getting you excited?

482
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 4: Or I know, a story of my life, or even

483
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 4: just an arts you like that people can follow.

484
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 7: Matthew Thurber, who who is a I mean he's a friend,

485
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 7: and but he I was looking at his work a

486
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 7: lot when I was making this, because he does a

487
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 7: similar thing in like Info Maniacs and in Mister Colostomy.

488
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 4: Oh mister is so great.

489
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I was reading that a lot.

490
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 7: I was kind of referencing it a lot, like in

491
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 7: the weeks leading up to making real politics and then

492
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 7: while making it because he it was also like something

493
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 7: that helps with the freedom of just like like some

494
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 7: of his strips are like not I mean there's no

495
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 7: there's no gag or joke, and then some of them

496
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 7: it's like the dumbest pun, you know, and some of them,

497
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 7: some of them are just like, I think this is

498
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 7: a joke he's making to.

499
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: Himself, deeply relatable.

500
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 7: But and then and then that's mister Colostomy. And then

501
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 7: Infomanias is another thing that's kind of told in strip

502
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 7: form that becomes that, you know, a.

503
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 8: Longer term story.

504
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 7: So I know that Infomanix is out of print, but

505
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 7: I mean you can track down a copy.

506
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 8: I would.

507
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 7: I mean that's a great gift because it's like, yeah,

508
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 7: it's like whoever gets it.

509
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 4: Is going to be like what is this mm hm,

510
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 4: true surprise.

511
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 7: I was also got really a few years ago when

512
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 7: I read Jillian Tamaki's Supermutan Academy.

513
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 4: I love that book. We talk about it a lot

514
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 4: on it.

515
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 7: Oh really, yeah, that got me really interested in doing

516
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 7: something like this where it was like a strip, you know,

517
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 7: where it was just like she was especially in the

518
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 7: first half or so, where she was clearly just kind

519
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 7: of like coming.

520
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 8: Up, you know, had this the same thing right, Like

521
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 8: it's a world.

522
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: It's like you can do magic and you're remutant, but

523
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 4: how do the people live in it?

524
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 7: It's a school instead of a movie theater. But it's

525
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 7: like it's like, once she gets this little world and

526
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 7: gets these five or six characters, it's clear that she's

527
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 7: just like, Okay, these guys live in my head now,

528
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 7: and then you kind of watch her figure it out

529
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 7: in the book like, oh, she clearly just like it

530
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 7: just has that I don't know her process, but it

531
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 7: has the feel of just like, oh, I have an

532
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 7: idea today for what to happen in that story, so

533
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 7: let me just post it.

534
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 8: Let me just knock it out and post it. Which

535
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 8: is another thing.

536
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 7: That was really liberating about doing a daily strip was

537
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 7: not that anybody was telling me I had to do this.

538
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 7: I was just kind of pretending that I had to

539
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 7: do this. But like you just lose all preciousness. Yeah,

540
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 7: you just draw it.

541
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 8: You just want to.

542
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 7: Because cartooning in a way, it's funny, like the swell

543
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 7: and prestige, if you could call it out of graphic

544
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 7: novels over the past fifteen years or so has changed

545
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 7: the dominant drawing style.

546
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 8: Yes, and a lot.

547
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 7: Of cartooning throughout history is more like writing, where like

548
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 7: the figures on the page are just the symbols of

549
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 7: a thing, just to get a joke across, or to

550
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 7: get a gag across, or to like get done for

551
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 7: the day and go home, you know, like figure out

552
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 7: for like a newspaper strip person, or you know, like

553
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 7: looking at Jules Pfeiffer who's just like doing just like

554
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 7: he's drawing like two faces targets who likes profiles talking

555
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 7: to each other. So anyway, that was like a The

556
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 7: Tmarcky book has that feel, especially in its first half

557
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 7: of just like let me just I'm just gonna just

558
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 7: jot this down.

559
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 4: Basically, it's like vignette within the school that slowly start

560
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 4: to like connect the longer you go. But yeah, yeah,

561
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 4: I do think it's I think it's a master work.

562
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 4: I'm so excited they're adapting it. And I'm glad you

563
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 4: brought up because that is one of my perennial If

564
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 4: you know someone who doesn't like comics, get them this

565
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: and tell them this is like, you know, what would

566
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: the X Men Academy look like if it was like

567
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: real people? They are just like normal weird kids. Yeah,

568
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: and uh yeah it's a and then oh.

569
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 7: Another book that I don't I think, I don't know

570
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 7: if it's in print still or not. Is Stephen Weissman's

571
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 7: Barack Hussein Obama.

572
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 8: You know this book?

573
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I talk about it.

574
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 7: That's a good curveball gift because I actually never read it.

575
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 7: I was kind of aware of it, but I was

576
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 7: just like some book about you know, it has that

577
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 7: when you just kind of peripherally know about it, you're like, okay,

578
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 7: so some publisher paid some dude to like do some

579
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 7: little biography about Obama because it's an easy cell.

580
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 8: It's not that.

581
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 7: And then I met Steven and so I wanted to

582
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 7: read his work and so I got it from the

583
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 7: library and it's like it's not that at all, Like

584
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 7: it's a real So that would be like kind of

585
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 7: a fun curveball gift to give to somebody if they

586
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 7: open it up and it's like, what's this thing about

587
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 7: Obama and it's.

588
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's insane.

589
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 4: I also think as well.

590
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 8: And it's another date. Sorry to interrupt.

591
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 7: It's another it's another book that has that feel of

592
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 7: a of a strip. It's it's told in strip form.

593
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 6: I love it.

594
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 8: So there's a Yeah, we've come up with a sort

595
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 8: of themed gift.

596
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: I love it. It's a themed gift guide. It's a

597
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 4: it's a strip gift guide. I will throw in anything,

598
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 4: any strip comics from the Olivia heim As Nancy run

599
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: you know, Caroline Cash is going to be going there next.

600
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: But if you guys want something fun, those Nancy comics

601
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: are always very incredible legacy of the visual gag from

602
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 4: the original creator, Ernie Bush Miller, of course. But yeah,

603
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: I like didn't realize how much of the comic strip

604
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: joke could be, Like it's Labor Day, so I'm just

605
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 4: going to say that they're snowed in and you don't

606
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: draw it. You know, Ernie loved to do stuff like that,

607
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: so I feel like Olivia was made a lot of sense.

608
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, he did strips where it was like that they

609
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 7: would just be all like wiggly or something.

610
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, like he read away It's New Year's Day. Yeah.

611
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, not often now, I mean rare enough to where

612
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 7: it was like it was still funny funny.

613
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 8: Did it.

614
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 7: Oh, and the Phantographics is reissuing. They just reissued, not reissued,

615
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 7: but they published a new there. They're back on the

616
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 7: all those books that Phanographics with, those Nancy books that

617
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 7: Phanographics was doing went out of print and got insanely expensive.

618
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 7: But they're they're they're taking up the cause again.

619
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 8: And there's at least one.

620
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 7: So far that you can get for a normal retail price.

621
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Speaker 7: And if you know, I mean Nancy's, I mean.

622
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 8: That's the that's the pinnic, that's the standard. Yeah, it

623
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 8: really is. I was, I was.

624
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 7: Those were other strips that I was reading a lot

625
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 7: just to kind of get It's funny because like if you,

626
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 7: at least for me, like if I sit down and

627
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 7: just read strips for like twenty minutes, your brain just

628
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 7: kind of enters a rhythm that's like but up up,

629
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 7: out up, and it just switches you into this way.

630
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 7: So if I have an idea for a real politics strip,

631
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 7: but I don't know how to execute it, just like

632
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 7: it's like listening to the music, listening to the beat

633
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 7: of the music and then figuring out how to play

634
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 7: to it.

635
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 8: Oh, I'll recommend one non comic book.

636
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 7: I love this book by esther Kinsky called Seeing Further,

637
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 7: which is about a woman who kind of comes across

638
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 7: an abandoned movie theater in where is she Romania? Maybe

639
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 7: no Hungry, She's in Hungry, and she kind of comes

640
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 7: across this this time, I'm staying in this town, comes

641
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 7: across this abandoned movie theater and decides to clean it

642
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 7: up and try to show movies there. But it's not

643
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 7: at all. It's very like contemplative, and it's there's theory.

644
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 7: There's kind of like film theory casually threaded through the

645
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 7: whole thing. And this is another book that I would

646
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 7: kind of pick up when I'm working on Real Politic

647
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 7: because it's a book that you can I mean, it's

648
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 7: rewarding to read it just as a novel, but you

649
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 7: really can just pick it up and just open it

650
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 7: and start reading. And there's you can't really get more

651
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 7: than a page or two before she's saying something pretty

652
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 7: interesting about the act of film viewing, which is what

653
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 7: most of real politics movie content is about. It's not

654
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 7: about filmmaking, it's about the act of film going. And

655
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 7: she has a lot of really interesting things to say

656
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 7: about that. So I would highly the Real Politic and

657
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 7: seeing further or to package those together for.

658
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 8: Your love movie lover.

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Speaker 4: Put it in the back. That's the new publishing literary

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Speaker 4: comics stocking filled. Bye Nathan Gelgan, Thank you so much

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Speaker 4: Much, Thanks so much for listening to News, and thanks

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Speaker 4: to Nathan for joining me to talk about his amazing

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Speaker 4: book from Jordan Quarterly, Real Politics.

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Speaker 3: On next week's episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into

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Speaker 3: the penultibate episode of Plurb season one and continue our

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Speaker 3: coverage of Fallout season two.

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Speaker 1: And that's it for News. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 3: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie

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Speaker 3: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 4: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wack.

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Speaker 3: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 3: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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