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Speaker 2: Thank y'all for tuning in. I'm Peanut Tuming and this

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Speaker 2: is the NFL Players Second Act Podcast and with me

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Speaker 2: as always, I got the fourth member of the OJS,

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Speaker 2: mister Roman Harp on the show today. What's up Baby?

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Speaker 3: What's up baby?

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Speaker 4: I appreciate him and I learned who the OJS was

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Speaker 4: yesterday here in Motown, So.

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Speaker 2: I know you line, I mean not really.

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Speaker 3: I don't really lie like that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just always surprised and I don't know everything.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk offline about that. Let's all right, all right, let's.

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Speaker 3: Get to it then. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Let me thank all of our lists all of our viewers.

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Speaker 4: Will always tune in. Wherever you pick up your podcast,

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Speaker 4: review couple comments. Also, make sure you hit that follow button, Peanut.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to our guests today. We have a

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Speaker 4: good friend of ours who I've got to know just

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Speaker 2: Man, watch this guy from a long time man.

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Speaker 4: He's an awesome person and we're really gonna dig into

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Speaker 4: some stuff today. So I'm looking forward to it because

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Speaker 4: he's way too honest and he don't even know it.

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Speaker 2: His seventh round pick in the two thousand and one

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Speaker 2: he's a media analyst, he's a trainer, has a flag

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Speaker 2: football league with Snoop Dogg called the Snoop and Hoosha

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Speaker 2: Flaglip Football League. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show. TJ.

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Speaker 2: Houshman's that up?

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Speaker 1: Or should I say the third men? Brother? Oh Jays?

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Speaker 1: Which one? Who's the third member? He's a fourth member?

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Speaker 2: So the four I don't know the names neither, don't

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Speaker 2: gonna say Lavert one of the Leverts.

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Speaker 1: All there, you go.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, I mean clearly he's trying to correct you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I've heard of him, but I don't know how many members.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's three three, it's three members. So he's like

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Speaker 2: It looked like he got the age four though.

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Speaker 4: Now now, Peanut, I wanted to know, how do you

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Speaker 4: do we say your name, last name right?

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Speaker 3: Because like everybody I.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't play played with you over the years, like like

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Speaker 2: I've never really known how to pronounce your name. I've

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Speaker 1: I'm a junior. I don't really know how t J

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's silence right there. Let me let

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, never met him, But Hushman Zada, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I just love TJ because that's what we call you.

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Speaker 2: So no matter, are you the only Hushmans.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what you know?

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Speaker 2: What's crazy? Like I went into the Yellow Pages right now?

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Speaker 2: How many hush Manzadas? What I see?

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Speaker 1: Bro? It's really crazy. So we're not gonna really get

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Speaker 1: If a woman started stalking me right she changed her

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Speaker 1: I don't know what goes on in our country where

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Speaker 4: The only thing that I will concern I'm only concerned

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Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, how you know that?

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Speaker 1: Bro, these people get on Google and they figure. I

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna look into the camera right now. It's cool

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Speaker 2: I say again, do not send your fan mail to

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Speaker 2: do it nine time, probably ten times out of ten

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Speaker 1: And don't go to the house, especially his.

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Speaker 2: Do not don't send it to anyone's house, not even mine,

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Speaker 2: TJ's rooms. Anybody's like, we just do it.

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Speaker 3: It's her last name. Who spins up it is?

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Speaker 1: It is? I get you know, my father is Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's from the Middle East and she just moved here,

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Speaker 1: I talked Toronto phone. Yeah, I still have yet to

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Speaker 1: I know of.

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Speaker 3: Do you get upset when anybody mispronounces your name?

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Speaker 1: No? Okay, good no, no, no, no, no, not at all?

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Speaker 4: And uh, I got to mention this because everybody knows

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Speaker 4: that the fans will know me and you.

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Speaker 3: We've all joked about it before.

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Speaker 2: But the famous NFL commercial number one? How much did

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Speaker 2: you have? Did you even know that they were doing that? TJ?

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Speaker 2: Who's your mama?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Who's been ze Lee?

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Speaker 1: No? I don't remember the year. I don't remember the year,

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Speaker 1: they pay you for this commercial? I'm like, what commercial?

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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it yet. Obviously I ended up seeing

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Speaker 1: a commercial. I had no idea. Didn't get ten cents

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Speaker 4: Oh, it was one of the best NFL commercials fantasy

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Speaker 1: To this day, man, I still get a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, what was it like in your in

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Speaker 2: it was you, Chris, Henry Corey Dillon to Ko Lorenzo O'Neill, Chad,

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Speaker 2: what was what was that? What was that locker room? Like,

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Speaker 1: Like, I mean the specifically the receiver room. People that

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Speaker 1: that dude is a character. If y'all know Taquillo, he's

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Speaker 1: a character. But you know low Neil ten five eleven, Max,

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Speaker 1: I want to wrestle everybody on the Team'd be like, hey, Daddy, Hey, hey, daddy,

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Speaker 1: come here, come here. I'll pin you in fifteen seconds,

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Speaker 4: Stay champed like I told you so, we interviewed low

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Speaker 3: So they were drunk.

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Speaker 4: It was mill of the afternoon, kind of getting towards

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Speaker 4: the evening. Dude, I walk up to the place that's

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Speaker 4: like brom trying to Lorenzo Nil. Must have body slammer

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Speaker 1: Well, if y'all ever interview Lorenzo O'Neill again, he ain't

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Speaker 1: until he got me back, I'm like, nope, I just

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Speaker 3: You got it, and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: I do want to know this though, TJ, because I

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Speaker 4: never actually asked you this. It's like, dude, you guys

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Speaker 4: you guys not win at all?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: How do we how do we not win?

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Speaker 2: It was too much playoffs? Yeah, Like too much talent

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean you had Corey Dillon, you had to Kio,

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Speaker 1: And we had quarterback play so Carson, Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: when you're in the locker room and on the team,

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Speaker 1: it's just what you guys said, Man, we have this player,

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Speaker 1: this player, we should be really good. And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: until I stopped playing and you really delve into the

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Speaker 1: why we weren't. Why weren't we good? And it's the

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Speaker 1: off the field. It's the last of discipline. It's the

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Speaker 4: So you talked about pro bo voting. I know, I

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Speaker 2: That's so weird to me. That doesn't there's no that

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's a popularity contest because you

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Speaker 1: But and it could be that I had and I

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Speaker 1: But I guess that's a respect thing. I'm not a

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Speaker 4: And we we scrimmaged against these guys, the Bengals, and

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Speaker 1: So I remember that.

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Speaker 2: Those practices always end up in fights. Though, because we

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Speaker 4: Chad and TJ, only Chris Henry practice, but like we

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Speaker 1: We would see this and we're like, where are we

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Speaker 1: I was ready for it. I don't want y'all because

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not gonna fight. Yeah you are. He

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Speaker 1: I was fighting guys on our own team in practice,

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Speaker 1: not gonna bully nobody. I'm not starting it. I'm like, bro,

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's just like you're fighting

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Speaker 3: Nobody took no helmet.

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Speaker 2: Nobody took a helmet, like you you fighting and then

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Speaker 2: that's just that's competition, Like it ain't no cheat. It's

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Speaker 2: just like, yo, I'm mad, well let's go. What what

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Speaker 2: if you if you let's go, you fight, take a

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Speaker 2: and then it's like, all right, we'll stop about it.

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Speaker 1: You literally might line up and be like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you just keep it, you keep it moving. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about your transition from the game.

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Speaker 4: You've been opened by some of your struggles that you

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Speaker 4: and like you would have played for league minimum, but

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Speaker 3: But you would have played forever if you could.

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Speaker 4: You just good teams don't need you, though, So when

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 4: So let's talk about that part, accepting that and then

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Speaker 4: come on and that.

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Speaker 1: Was a mistake on my part. I'm not playing for

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Speaker 1: the bad team. Yeah, you should have just did it.

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00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah I should have done it because I love the game. Yeah,

436
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: but what happens is you start to watch TV and

437
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 1: you hear go win a super Bowl, Go play for

438
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 1: a good team. Well, they're in that position because they

439
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 1: don't need me, right, and so I should have done it. Obviously,

440
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: you can't go back and change it now. That would

441
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: be my advice to anybody. If you love a game,

442
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: just play, man, if you have enough money, don't let

443
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: your agent gash you up saying you need to make this.

444
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 1: Just go play, because when it's over, it's over. And

445
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm over it now, like I have no problem with it.

446
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: But at the time, it was just like, damn, I'm

447
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: better than him. I'm better than him, and I could

448
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: be playing, but but it's not happening anymore. And I

449
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm done. Then you get calls

450
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, I ain't training, I can't. I

451
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: been working out really like that, and so that part

452
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: of it, I would say about the first year out,

453
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: it was tough, and I didn't realize it was tough

454
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: because I was I'm I'm fine. I don't I don't

455
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: think I stress. I'm not tough just watching the game

456
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 1: and being on a routine. That's probably you're on a routine.

457
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: We live off of a schedule. We haven't. We live

458
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: off of an itinerary seven thirty. You gotta be here

459
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: at this meeting, eight o'clock, this meeting, nine o'clock, this meeting.

460
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: And so it was like, now you don't have this itinerary.

461
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: It's like what do I do? And so that's what

462
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: it was. I mean for me, it was I took

463
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: my kids to school, come on, and just be like,

464
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: all right, what's next? And I did that for a

465
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: year maybe longer, and so it was just like I

466
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: gotta start doing something, bro like I'm a bomb, Like

467
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: what is this? And but that takes time because you

468
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: know they always tell you, all right, you got to

469
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: start preparing for life after football. I didn't care about

470
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 1: life after football because I didn't realize how quickly it

471
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: was going to come upon me. And that's another thing

472
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: that's real, like life after football. Start planning on it,

473
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: because I didn't. And when you have nothing, you just

474
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: get bored more than anything. And then you got to

475
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: figure out things to do.

476
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: And what point in time did you realize like, Okay,

477
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 2: I got to get off my ass and moves. You

478
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: said you did it for about a year, maybe a

479
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: little bit more than that.

480
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: Like I can't read them all what's exactly what it was?

481
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: But I remember people at networks ESPN, NFL Network contacting me,

482
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: Hey man, you want to come in and do NFL Network,

483
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: You want to come in to Bristol and do some

484
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: work with ESPN. And so I started doing some of

485
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: that and I enjoyed it, and they would tell me like,

486
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: you're really good, You're honest, but you're not disrespectful to

487
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: the players. It's just real, candid, And so I started

488
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: doing that and I enjoyed. It was the next best

489
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: thing without playing, I guess yeah. And so kind of

490
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: forces you to watch the game, forces you to understand

491
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: what's going on and why a teammate or may not

492
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: be doing certain things. And so it was like I

493
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: was playing, but I wasn't.

494
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: Was that getting into the media space. Did that help

495
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: you move on from football? Like missing the game?

496
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: I would say yes, But back then I didn't look

497
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: at it as it because again, like no, I don't

498
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: let things bother me, man, unless it's something big for me.

499
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: It's just like whatever, it's water off a duck's back.

500
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 4: Guess what I want to That's a great point because

501
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: I've heard you in another interview talk about how you

502
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 4: don't show emotions and it's how you were raised like

503
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 4: I want you to dive into that.

504
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: Why don't you show I don't know, like my wife.

505
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: My wife will always tell me, do you have a heart?

506
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: Like what you mean? Do I have a heart?

507
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: Like?

508
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: How nice to you? Right? And it's sure like during

509
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: the game, I show emotion, like that type of emotion.

510
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: And when I say emotion, it's the more that I

511
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: don't show emotion, it's the more I guess sensitive side

512
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: when you're with your spouse or even at times with

513
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: my kids. I've gotten better with that because you know,

514
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: I got girls and that's what they need. But I

515
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: I was telling somebody this. I remember vividly when I

516
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: left the junior college, my mama said I love you,

517
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: and it felt weird because I had heard that a lot.

518
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: It felt weird to hear her say that to me

519
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: because I remember, I remembered. I remember that because it

520
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: wasn't like I love you'll love around our house. We

521
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: didn't do that, and so that could be why. I

522
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: don't know. But yeah, the emotional part of it, I

523
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: think I'm a nice guy, But the emotion part of it,

524
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't show that unless it's like a competitive type

525
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: of emotion. But to my kids, now you know, I

526
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: tell them every day I love them. I try to

527
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: show emotion. I try to let my son at times

528
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: know that it's okay to cry, but don't cry over

529
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: nothing that doesn't matter. Could be a little wrong, but yeah,

530
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: I guess it's just part of how I was raised

531
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: and what I grew up around.

532
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: My dad doesn't know how to say I love you either,

533
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 4: So it is how you're raised. And that's a true statement.

534
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 4: It's okay. It can be understood without being said. That's

535
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 4: what's up. That's more important than that. It is understanding.

536
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 4: It is felt speaking of love.

537
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: I love how you ellen k when we said.

538
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 4: That, Yeah, I was going to the flag football. I

539
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 4: would like to know how this thing get started between

540
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: you and Snoop.

541
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: Uh, my son was. My son was playing flag foot.

542
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: Snoop's been in football for a while. He's been tackled football. Yes,

543
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: my son was playing flag football. We're in the league

544
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: and we had started dominating the league and then they

545
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: started like, uh this said league didn't want to let

546
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: us play in the playoffs because we were dominating, And

547
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the team y'all gave me my son,

548
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: my cousin and other kids that y'all put on my team.

549
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: Don't get mad at me because we win. Yeah, And

550
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: so they started basically they pissed me off, and so

551
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: I said, I'm leaving. So I left the league and

552
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: I got in contact with Troy Vincent. I said, Troy Man,

553
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: I need to start my own league, and he was

554
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: like sure. I'm like, yeah, gotta explained on what's going on.

555
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: He connected me with Isael Reese. I got with isaelh

556
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: and we have been planning it for a few years

557
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: now and got a buddy that works with the Chargers. Yeah,

558
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: and he reached out to me and was like, we

559
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: want to partner with you guys to do the league.

560
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: And I said that, you know, sounds great. So we're

561
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: planning it now for three years. We just launched in March.

562
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: Had a good turnout. We had just under five hundred kids,

563
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: which for the first season.

564
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: What's the name of your team?

565
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: No, so all the teams are Chargers. Oh, all the

566
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: teams are charge Okay, yeah, all the teams you either

567
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: wear the white or the blue or the yellow. But

568
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 1: we have a location in Crito's. We have a location

569
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: in Nelson Gundo. It's nonprofit, so all the kids that

570
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: that can't afford it. The great Old National Football League,

571
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: myself the Charger Snoop and will subsidize them, will sponsor

572
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: them and let them play. Yes, got a bunch of

573
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: kids from Snoops Tackle League that a playing the league

574
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: and so it's been fun. It's been fun just seeing

575
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: a different age group seeing because it's co ed. Hopefully

576
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: we'll get to the point where it can just be

577
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: strictly girls and boys, but we have co ed. I

578
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: have a couple of girls on my son's team. But yeah,

579
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna win it. Yeah.

580
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: My daughter she just got signed up for flag football

581
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: this year, so I'm really I'm looking.

582
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: Forward to it. The girls are good. Yeah, it's so

583
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: crazy because we don't see young girls play football. It

584
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: blows my mind how good they are. It's crazy. It's crazy.

585
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna watch your daughter play. You're gonna be like

586
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: house called damn she nice.

587
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Watch, we gotta hit the gym this offseason. I

588
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: gotta teach your cople things. She's gonna be out there.

589
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to convince my daughter to play eleven. I'm sorry,

590
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: she's twelve. Sorry, Cambra, she's twelve. She's twelve, and she

591
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: was like, I thought you said I can't catch. I said, oh,

592
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: we can work on that. We're just gonna play catch

593
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: every day. You'll get it. Yeah.

594
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now do you ever run into like the real

595
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: intense parents, like on the sideline and they just be

596
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: doing a little bit, they be doing the most.

597
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: You can raise your hand if you want.

598
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm that parent parent. Yeah, I am. I am. Everything

599
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: we do, we compete. We're gonna sound like the intense,

600
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: right I am. I'm not gonna lie. I hate. I

601
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: hate to admit that I.

602
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: Am for if y'all. I know y'all, some of y'all

603
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: will listen. But he's kind of yeah, I'm not. He

604
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: raised his hands like.

605
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: When you see. But I do run into him. Also,

606
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: I run into people like myself. I do.

607
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: So how does that work? When y'all two go at it?

608
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: Do y'all go at it the two like yourself and

609
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: like another intense parent. Do y'all go at it?

610
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: At times it's happened. I'm like, whatever, bro, I don't

611
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: care how big you are, but I'm getting. I'm getting

612
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: better at it though, I am. I got. I'm trying

613
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: to stop that because my son plays AAU basketball.

614
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: I've seen him.

615
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: He's a good player, and uh yeah, I'm trying to

616
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: get better at that. I know for a fact I

617
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: need to stop that, and I'm going to stop it.

618
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: But I don't talk to other parents. Yes, I'm cheering

619
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: on our team. I never put down the other team. Ever,

620
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that the kids. I'm just cheering my team.

621
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: And they may take it the wrong way and they

622
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: say something to me, and I'm bruh, don't you talk

623
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: to me. I'm not talking to you if you don't

624
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: get your boy, if you don't get up out of

625
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: here with this. And I don't care how big you are,

626
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: because I'm not afraid of you. And I've never gotten

627
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: into it with anybody. A couple of verbal altercations, but

628
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: nothing physical. But I'm trying to avoid all of that

629
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: because it's not it's we there for the kids and

630
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: not not for us.

631
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 3: There we go.

632
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 4: So TJ I, it's funny that you raise your hand

633
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: and say that, because in my family that's my wife.

634
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: I call it her tiger Mom. She's very intense when

635
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 4: it comes to our kids in sports, and like you said,

636
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 4: there's no like direct like we're not firing missiles at

637
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 4: each other.

638
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: It's all like you're yelling for your own team.

639
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: They say something, then you.

640
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Then our parents say something louder, and then it's like,

641
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: I mean, we have proxy wars.

642
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: It ain't nobody, is it, but is it? Like that's

643
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about? Room ware to make that other

644
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: kid look terrible.

645
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's keep dumb. Come on people, and they

646
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: just take, especially when they're a good tea.

647
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: Yes, especially I think basketball is really weird too, because

648
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Speaker 4: the kids can hear the parents, The parents can hear

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Speaker 4: each other's parents.

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Speaker 2: Everybody can see each other.

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Speaker 4: You're in a gym, it's intense a you get very

652
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 4: competitive now, and so it just kind of happens, and

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Speaker 4: especially if you're dealing like my daughter's team, it's emotional,

654
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 4: like girls to start crying. Somebody gets fouled hard. We

655
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 4: got a parent getting mad. Oh that's that's a foul.

656
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 4: Everybody's complaining about fouls. The reps never call anything. So

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00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 4: it's like all these emotions that just build and build

658
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Speaker 4: and build, and then people explode and it's very very funny.

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Speaker 4: But I love it because that my wife's where TJ is.

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00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 4: So then I get to just relax. Yeah, it's because

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00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 4: everybody thinks it's be me and it's not. I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: say ask my whole family.

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Speaker 1: But if I get into it with somebody, they right

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Speaker 1: there with me because we got to ride. My family,

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Speaker 1: my wife and my kids, my daughters were tight. It's

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Speaker 1: just a yeah. And so practices. Everybody goes to practice,

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Speaker 1: Everybody goes to games, and I guess that's not common

668
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: because people like man, y'all here every day. We ain't

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Speaker 1: got nothing else to do, and so we support each other.

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Speaker 1: When my daughters were athletes, everybody's at the practice, everybody's

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00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: at the games, and so that's what we do. And

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00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: so we're invested and our kids and my daughters are

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Speaker 1: invested in their brother or sisters. But yeah, we roll deep.

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Speaker 1: But I'm avoiding that moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of invested, who are the people that invested

676
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: in you? If you could do Mount Rushmore, four people

677
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: that really truly invested and showed emotion and just everything

678
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: they pour their heart and soul into TJ from the

679
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: time you were born to today.

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Speaker 3: Who would those four people be.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great question. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: have for really to be honest with you, and some

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00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: people may be offended by that, but I'll give you four.

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Speaker 1: I would say, obviously my mother, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: she invested in me like that. She don't watch I

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00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: played as many games as I played. My mom has

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00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: been to less than five games in my entire life really,

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Speaker 1: from high school to jue Co to college and the

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Speaker 1: NFL less than five. But I'll put her on there.

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00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: She probably doesn't deserve to be on that. My uncle's

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00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: Adrian and Anthony, they for sure. I don't recall this,

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Speaker 1: but my uncle Adrian used to always say, like you

693
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: were my son. You were with me and my mustang

694
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Speaker 1: all the time, and everybody thought you were my son.

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Speaker 1: So I'll throw those guys in there. Outside of that,

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00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: I would probably be it. I mean, nobody else. I

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00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: would say my sister. She's passed away now, but I

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00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: remember when I went to junior college, I didn't have

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00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: any money and she gave me about two hundred and

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00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: fifty dollars to go to college with. But outside of that, man, nobody.

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Speaker 1: I kind of did it on my own, really, to

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00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: be honest with you, Yeah, me come from nothing, man,

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00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: come from nothing. My sister's the oldest one. Then it's

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00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: me brother under me and my youngest brother. The first

705
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: three didn't graduate from high school, just the youngest one did,

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00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: and so we kind of, you know, we got it

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00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: how we lived and just did whatever we wanted to do. Man,

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00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: I was technically a grown man at thirteen years old,

709
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: outside in the streets doing whatever I wanted to do.

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00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I look at my kids, like I

711
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine them doing what I was doing and partaking

712
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: in activities that I was partaking in at that age.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how they could survive that. And

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00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: I did it like I was a grown man, and

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00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy survival.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, all I can say is thank you for

718
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: coming on this podcast, blessing them with this energy, these

719
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: great stories.

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Speaker 4: The best thing is, like, hey man, we have better conversations.

721
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 4: We have even deeper conversations at the bar too. So

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00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: we're gonna get TJ going again.

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00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, just so when they see me at the bar,

724
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, just now, I'm just cranberry juice and pineapple

725
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: juice mixed. It may look like, but that is true.

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00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: That is true. Man.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you coming on the podcast. Thank y'all for

728
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: listening Apple, Apple podcasts, Our Heart Radio.

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00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: Is this your outro?

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00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: No, I'm just okay, all right, let me get you

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00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: all right, Let's get us out here the correct way. Man,

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00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: Let's give me hey. Thanks you for always listening and

733
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: tuning in wherever you pick up.

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Speaker 4: Your podcast, whether it's Apple Podcast, iHeartRadio, app make sure

735
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 4: you give us a five star rating. Leave a review,

736
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 4: a couple of comments. That's always good telling us what

737
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 4: we're doing great, especially with all of our guests like TJ.

738
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: He's got a great story his upbringing. Everything else man

739
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 4: was beautiful, and the great stories from Cincinnati. I know

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00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 4: we should get more and more you guys, just leave

741
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: a couple of comments. Hopefully we'll reach out. We'll get

742
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 4: the rest of that. Please, man, make sure you give

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Speaker 4: us a followers, follow all those other things.

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Speaker 3: Man, we'll pee. We're gonna get it.

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Speaker 1: Can I say something really quick? When you just said

746
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati made me think when y'all brought up Chris Henry,

747
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: that boy's son is an animal. Really he just moved

748
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: to California and I've worked with him a few times. Wow,

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Speaker 1: what's his name? Chris Henry?

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Speaker 2: All right, Bill, you look look out Chris and your JR.

751
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: Animal, Chris Henry Jr.

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Speaker 2: We learned something new every time we come out here. Man,

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00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: you heard it here.

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00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: First Football League, I guarantee it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, big statement, I like it. I like it a

756
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: peanut TJ fourth Remember the ojs. That's wrong. Hey y'all

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Speaker 2: we out NFL player second acts