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Speaker 1: This is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war

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Speaker 1: room for insider news and draft analysis from deep within

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Speaker 2: Star and Frisco.

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Speaker 3: Now your hosts Botch Lombardy, Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Tommy Yarish,

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Speaker 3: and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 4: Today is Tuesday, March twenty fourth, and we are now

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Speaker 4: thirty days away from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lyte, the

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Speaker 4: Best in Texas. With Votch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Chrispam in

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Speaker 4: the back of Kyle Yeoman's. Tommy Yarish is boots on

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Speaker 4: the ground at Pro Day at the University of Texas

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Speaker 4: in Austin. Shocker. He's going to Texas Tech later this week.

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Speaker 5: Yep, yep, I hear he's taking a road trip with

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Speaker 5: a really uh interesting fellow.

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Speaker 4: Interesting fella.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Is that the word you would use? Yep? What were

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Speaker 4: you going to use?

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Speaker 6: I don't know. It's gonna be work, It's gonna be me.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I've taken a road trip with with Nick to

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Speaker 4: Lubbock before we have Yeah, yeah, road tripped out there once.

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Speaker 6: That was a crap trip. It was a crap trip.

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Speaker 5: Me and Me and Tommy After Texas Texts pro Day

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Speaker 5: on Thursday, we're stopping by evy May's Barbecue and Wolf

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Speaker 5: Force May, evy May May, evy May's black One, about

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Speaker 5: to find out, about to find out. It's on the

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Speaker 5: top ten Texas Monthly barbecue list. Back when I was

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Speaker 5: working in recruiting, anytime i'd have a road trip, i'd

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Speaker 5: try to hunt down one of those top fifties. And

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Speaker 5: this one's number ten. So I'm really excited about this one.

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Speaker 5: So if you've been to evy May's Barbecue and Wolfce,

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Speaker 5: tweet me or whatever.

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Speaker 6: D m me let me know what to get.

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Speaker 5: I don't eat pork. I don't do this swot to say,

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Speaker 5: I'll do everything else. We got the brisk at the turkey.

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Speaker 5: If there's chicken, I'm down with that. The sides I got,

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Speaker 5: I gotta be a big side.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah. If I'm if I'm not eating you know,

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Speaker 6: pork ribs or anything.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you don't eat pork. But I

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Speaker 2: don't know every mad personally, huh, but I know the

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Speaker 2: evy maze of the world, right, and they'll soak a

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Speaker 2: brisky in port. You know what I'm saying, So be careful. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: shouts out.

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Speaker 4: About Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't know that what what

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Speaker 4: doesn't know won't kill you, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, Maga cheese's got a hog moll in it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, stop the watch. I know people who's these are

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Speaker 6: white folks, but they are. They just look at it.

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Speaker 2: I thought if your middle name was like may or

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Speaker 2: like Jean, and you said it back to back like that,

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Speaker 2: I just knew it was us, Like Benny Jean. You

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Speaker 6: You get out deep enough in the country of Texas

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Speaker 6: to say that's.

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Speaker 4: That's different when when you get like in the the

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Speaker 4: po dunk.

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Speaker 2: Parts of Texas, like yeah, yeah, it's a little different

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Speaker 2: for Medell not Garrett.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, GP. All right, thirty days out from the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 4: and yes pro days are going on at the moment, Nick,

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Speaker 4: I wanted to give you the Florida maybe update a

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Speaker 4: list of the Cowboys that are at each of these

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Speaker 4: pro days. We went through your list last week and

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Speaker 4: know Miami was one where Brian Schottenheim, Er Will McLay

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Speaker 4: prospects as you know there too. So what are some

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Speaker 4: of the updates in that program?

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Speaker 5: I apologize, I'm trying to get this thing up in

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Speaker 5: front of me. My my WiFi is not cooperating. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: so yesterday, Brian Schottenheimer, Christian Parker, Will McClay, they were

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Speaker 5: He had a forty two plus vert really impressive pro

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Speaker 6: There, even Francis Malagoa there.

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Speaker 5: There were a lot of guys there that you know

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Speaker 6: Today.

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Speaker 5: They are at the University of Texas. That is why

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Speaker 5: find interesting that that that crew made it to Austin

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Speaker 5: I think he's kind of a round two, round three guy.

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Speaker 5: He would maybe make sense at that ninety two pick.

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Speaker 5: bit of a far stretch for me. I like DJ Campbell,

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Speaker 6: That's another Day three guy, Trey Moore.

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Speaker 5: I think that's that's big Texas Tech on Thursday.

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Speaker 5: And there's another lone Star State trip wrapped up in

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Speaker 5: And yeah, that crew, that crew getting busy.

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Speaker 4: And I saw your tweet last night about Linda Wells

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Speaker 4: at down in Waco with Baylor, Michael Trigg and Sawyer

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Speaker 4: one of the because there's reports all the way across

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Speaker 4: the league, all thirty two teams are having reports of oh,

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Speaker 4: private dinner here, a meeting here, not necessarily a thirty visit,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it could mean something. It couldn't mean nothing. You know.

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Speaker 5: With with Michael Triggs, specifically the tight end out of Baylor.

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Speaker 5: He's a kind of a gadget player that I think

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Speaker 5: Michael Triggs, he's I think day three comfortably for me.

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Speaker 5: And then Josh Cameron we've talked about quite a bit.

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Speaker 5: Sorry Robertson. I think that that was just a nature

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Speaker 5: that that's why they go ahead and sit down with him.

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Speaker 5: But overall, these Dinners, they met with Harold Perkins before

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Speaker 5: LSU's pro day on Sunday, bless you, Kyle and Monsieur

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Speaker 5: Delaine got a hard look from the staff this week

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Speaker 5: as well at the LSU pro Da. So it's it's

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Speaker 5: more about just trying to take advantage of these opportunities

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Speaker 5: uh and or excuse me, that was last night in Austin,

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Speaker 4: You were you gonna ask a question there about I.

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Speaker 2: Was gonna derail the hell at you and uh ask

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Speaker 2: you know if the Cowboys were looking for a certain

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Speaker 2: certain players that fit in these little hybrid I played

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Speaker 2: you said. But Nick did bring up another name. How

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Speaker 2: do you think the Cowboys are valuing these dudes that

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Speaker 2: I just I just looked at some names. So you

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Speaker 2: talked about Perkins from LSU linebacker edge sometimes and mean

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Speaker 2: like outside linebacker type guy, right. We talked about more

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Speaker 2: from Texas. He's a guy that was that was like that,

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Speaker 2: Keishawn Elliott from Arizona State, Jay Sean Barm from Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Just names like that. Do you think the Cawboy do

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Speaker 2: y'all think the Cowboys are interested in dudes like that

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Speaker 2: that play both those both those kind of spots. It's

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Speaker 2: that's something that translates in Christian Parker's defense to where

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Speaker 2: oh you could play an inside you know one time,

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Speaker 2: Mary's Leafiles that he was a you know, he was

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Speaker 2: they're going to be moving them back and forth like that.

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Speaker 2: Should we be looking into guys that could move back

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Speaker 6: I think the versatility.

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Speaker 5: We can look at the free agent ads and see

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Speaker 5: that versatility is ranked supreme with a lot of these additions.

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Speaker 5: So if they have versatility on the defense and they

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Speaker 5: can play in multiple spots, that's going to check one

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Speaker 5: than you know, does the brain work. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 5: one that really stands out. I do have this pro

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Speaker 4: Real quick, just to play off of your point before

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Speaker 4: we get into that. The four additions that they've had

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Speaker 4: all play multiple positions or at least can play multiple positions,

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Speaker 4: Rushaun Gary, Jalen Thompson, Kobe durant Otito Obone. I mean,

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Speaker 4: all those guys can do that and can play in

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Speaker 4: multiple spots. Do you feel like there's more of an

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Speaker 4: emphasis on position flex and versatility just because it's a

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Speaker 4: multiple defense, or are we just looking at the resume

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Speaker 4: and saying they can do all of this, we'll see

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Speaker 4: where it fits whenever time comes around and when training

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Speaker 6: I think it's a little bit of all of that.

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Speaker 5: And I also want to point two previous drafts, well

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Speaker 5: before Christian Parker was even a thought around here, that

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Speaker 5: versatility was you know, a big part of you know,

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Speaker 5: their drafting strategy. That's been kind of the Will McLay

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Speaker 5: kind of a it makes sense why when you hear

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Speaker 5: Christian Parker talk about, you know, versatility and being able

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Speaker 5: to play in multiple spots, you hear Will McLay talk

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Speaker 5: about the same things. It makes sense why at least

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Speaker 5: those two guys bridged, you know, concepts and philosophies whenever

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Speaker 5: they met during the interview process.

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Speaker 2: Guys have made a really good point too, like just

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Speaker 2: because they played it doesn't mean it the Cowboys are

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Speaker 2: looking for you to play it. Like Jake God, they

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Speaker 2: played a bunch of nickel, Like, hey, come on, you

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Speaker 2: probably won't be doing that heat, right, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. So that's fair good point.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, let's let's dive into some of these over

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Speaker 2: I just don't lean into your magical combine numbers. I

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Speaker 4: I mean the Minnesota Vikings that he had at number twelve. Oh,

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Speaker 5: He is, but I'm more so putting him in the

437
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Speaker 5: echelon he was in, So like the AJ Halsey is

438
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Speaker 5: the Emmanuel McNeil Warren's cool. And then when Dylan, Theenaman

439
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,399
Speaker 5: comes out of the combine. He lays those verified numbers down.

440
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Speaker 5: The athleticism so much more. U interesting that he just

441
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Speaker 5: took you out of the three box. I don't know

442
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Speaker 5: what happened.

443
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Speaker 4: Now to hell, he's trying to set up up fight

444
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Speaker 4: when he's trying to he's trying to put you in

445
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Speaker 4: the two box.

446
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Speaker 5: When they put those verified numbers down, then we know

447
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 5: we can compare actual data that goes A for B.

448
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 5: It's not an apples to orange just comparison anymore, because

449
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 5: these guys playing much different levels of competition. And then

450
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Speaker 5: you can look at these numbers side by side and

451
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Speaker 5: you can be like, Okay, that guy is that fast

452
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Speaker 5: compared to this guy at this speed. And that's really

453
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Speaker 5: the only actual data you can directly compare towards an

454
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Speaker 5: apples to apples conversation.

455
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Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, and it may not

456
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Speaker 2: be you. Let's just say them saying this, right, Why

457
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Speaker 2: do we put theenem in in the conversation with Halsey

458
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Speaker 2: and McNeil Warren in the first place.

459
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Speaker 6: That's a good question because I've always had him in

460
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Speaker 6: a first round, so.

461
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Speaker 2: Okay, well I don't have him quite as a first

462
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Speaker 2: round grade. But he's seventeenth on my board, right, and

463
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Speaker 2: that's that's based on film. So if he's there with McNeil, Warren,

464
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Speaker 2: with Wheatley, with Hawsey, right, I don't want to say,

465
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Speaker 2: oh I got numbers now, I'll take him at twelve.

466
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Speaker 2: I'll jump all these other guys and just put him

467
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Speaker 2: at twelve. I'm just so film guy. And I think

468
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Speaker 2: just because you test, I didn't think Dylan Thinaman wasn't

469
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Speaker 2: incredibly slow player. I thought he did fine for what

470
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Speaker 2: his job asked him to do. But at the end

471
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Speaker 2: of the day, even if he goes out and proves

472
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Speaker 2: that he runs, he runs this forty that he's been

473
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Speaker 2: prepping and practicing for, these drills that he's been pressed

474
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Speaker 2: prepping and practicing for. But dog, like your film didn't change.

475
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Speaker 2: You got the same film, whether it's Oregon or Purdue,

476
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Speaker 2: and the Purdue film, in my opinion, is better than

477
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Speaker 2: the Organ film. Like the film is still the film,

478
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So like this ain't me

479
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Speaker 2: fighting Nick Harris, but like, what is it?

480
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Speaker 6: I agree with you?

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, oh boy, this number. I knew he ran

482
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Speaker 2: faster than haughty because I know Halsey can't run. I

483
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Speaker 2: think I feel like he was a better moving guy

484
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Speaker 2: than McNeil Warren. But if I was in a room

485
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Speaker 2: full of scouts, I'm not gonna say, Oh, Dylan thetam

486
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Speaker 2: and ran his damn four three. I'm like, oh, dog,

487
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Speaker 2: put him on the roof. This watch Purdue, he ranged

488
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Speaker 2: his head. I saw this one player he was at

489
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Speaker 2: the HASH and he made it to the numbers. Boy smartest,

490
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Speaker 2: hell right, all this kind of stuff.

491
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Speaker 5: I'm right, which is right, But that's not the NFL,

492
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Speaker 5: you know, sure, like, hey, can this speed translate? Okay,

493
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Speaker 5: let's get this speed on laser and we can see

494
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Speaker 5: if that actually translates.

495
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Speaker 6: And when he lays down the forty that he did,

496
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Speaker 6: I don't have it right in front of me.

497
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Speaker 5: That can tell you, hey, he can play on the

498
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Speaker 5: roof in the NFL because he can go stop to

499
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Speaker 5: start that quick and be able to cover up that range.

500
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Speaker 5: And so that that's to me the value of these testing,

501
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Speaker 5: even if you do prep for it for eight weeks

502
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Speaker 5: and then so you know, if you gave a guy

503
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Speaker 5: a forty yard dash in the middle of November, it

504
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Speaker 5: would obviously look a lot different than it would look

505
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Speaker 5: in a combine setting. Yeah, but it gives you an

506
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Speaker 5: idea of what the max speed and what the max

507
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Speaker 5: speed potential looks like for these guys. Y.

508
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

509
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Speaker 5: And I think with Dylan theenum in specifically, the only

510
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Speaker 5: question that he had preventing him from kind of being

511
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Speaker 5: a bona fide first rounder coming into the draft process

512
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Speaker 5: was the verified athleticism. It's like, is this guy average

513
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Speaker 5: athlete or is he a good athlete? And he came

514
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Speaker 5: out of the combine in my opinion, approved to be

515
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Speaker 5: an elite athlete.

516
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Speaker 6: Sure, and so that's to me.

517
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Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, that's a top twelve, top fifteen player.

518
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Speaker 4: Four three five forty one inch vertical ten to five broads,

519
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Speaker 4: which what the avert and.

520
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Speaker 5: The bride tells me, especially from the safety position, is

521
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Speaker 5: you can explode and you can get off, and whenever

522
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Speaker 5: that range that you need to cover up on the

523
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Speaker 5: back end needs to actually manifest in an NFL game,

524
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Speaker 5: you can do that. And then he has four to

525
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Speaker 5: three five speed to be able to help close that

526
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Speaker 5: as well.

527
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm grumpy old guy, and you ain't wrong, by

528
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Speaker 2: the way, Maybe I'm grumpy old guy, but I feel

529
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Speaker 2: like feeing them and we just played some highlights. Appreciate

530
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Speaker 2: beaming everybody in the back. I know he ranged because

531
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Speaker 2: of the film. I don't need a number just because

532
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Speaker 2: I know some people that run fast, it ain't rangy

533
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Speaker 2: because they just don't see it, and that's a part

534
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Speaker 2: of their range as well. For example, there's this one

535
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Speaker 2: play from Sonny Styles right breaks up a pass in

536
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Speaker 2: the back right end zone right before somebody scored, and

537
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,959
Speaker 2: he jumps high as hill and bats it down. If

538
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: y'all probably seen it, I didn't need his vertical to

539
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 2: know that Sonny Style jumps high, you know what I'm saying.

540
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Speaker 2: I just didn't need that. I think that everything that

541
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Speaker 2: you want would check out on film. And there's actually

542
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Speaker 2: this comment fighting me and I think this is perfect

543
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Speaker 2: j Kell's and the chat saying Vah keep saying that

544
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Speaker 2: that these film guy, like everybody else a film guy,

545
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Speaker 2: No everybody else, he his film guy. But what I'm

546
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Speaker 2: saying is film is first for me. Some people are

547
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Speaker 2: like analytics, look the league using AI Now you know

548
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, there's a lot of different ways

549
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 2: to break this up.

550
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Speaker 4: I feel like everybody on this show would agree film.

551
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Speaker 6: Is first film has to be first.

552
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Speaker 4: It has to be and I think I think good

553
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Speaker 4: scouts in the building and across the league agree that

554
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Speaker 4: film is first. Ye yeah, it always rasks.

555
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Speaker 5: The raiders will tell you that combine testing is the

556
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Speaker 5: raider of second draft exactly. So I'm not sitting here

557
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Speaker 5: saying that, like combine testing is more important than what

558
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Speaker 5: you see on film. I think I'm trying to like

559
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Speaker 5: pull away the percentage of how important.

560
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Speaker 2: I'm not fighting you. I'm not fighting you. But somebody

561
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: out there is saying, oh, Dylan theenum and showed that,

562
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Speaker 2: and this might be you saying this. But but Dylan

563
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: thenum and ran a four to three. He jumped from

564
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Speaker 2: twenty nine to ten on my board.

565
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Speaker 6: He didn't go that far for me, but he was

566
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Speaker 6: so like seventeen.

567
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Speaker 2: And that's that's and that's think about Nick Hare and vice.

568
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Speaker 2: Really he's seventeen on my board. He's up there for you.

569
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Speaker 2: He's the first round grade for you because the film

570
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Speaker 2: checks out. I don't give a damn by this four

571
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Speaker 2: to three. He could have ran a four five. I'm like,

572
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: hey man, Dylan.

573
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Speaker 4: Run still got a still you got it?

574
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: Dylan run fast, and on on on film. If aj

575
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Speaker 2: Halsey goes to run a four to three hey hosted

576
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Speaker 2: on't run it on film. You know what I'm saying,

577
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Speaker 2: So film is always first for me, is what I'm saying.

578
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry it's on the.

579
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Speaker 4: Twenty Well a question. Yeah, we'll add a couple questions.

580
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Speaker 4: In the third segment we find'll talk about it was

581
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Speaker 4: It is very important context because everybody looks at it differently.

582
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Speaker 4: You talked about percentages. Some people might be seventy five

583
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Speaker 4: percent film, twenty five percent other stuff. And I'm not

584
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Speaker 4: even just gonna say, like combine testings to twenty five percent,

585
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Speaker 4: that's probably started out much day between Combine and pro

586
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Speaker 4: day and meetings and personality and whatever. Their coaches at

587
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Speaker 4: the college level say all of that is the case,

588
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Speaker 4: and everybody looks at it differently. However, when it looks

589
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Speaker 4: at when you look at Dylan Fiedeman in the first place,

590
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Speaker 4: he's on the cover of the magazine partially because I

591
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Speaker 4: stood on the table in our email chain and said, hey,

592
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Speaker 4: he could go at twelve or he could go at twenty,

593
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Speaker 4: so we might as well throw him on the cover

594
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Speaker 4: because he there's a good shot he could be a Cowboy. Now,

595
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Speaker 4: they didn't sign Jalen Thompson and PJ. Locke by this

596
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Speaker 4: point whenever we were putting the magazine together. I still

597
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Speaker 4: don't necessarily think it's out of the question that he

598
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Speaker 4: is a possibility for the Cowboys. But we've got some

599
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 4: pretty good names on here.

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Speaker 6: We'll check it out.

601
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Speaker 4: Pro day or pro shops in person. I think they're

602
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Speaker 4: available starting today and then online probably within the next

603
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Speaker 4: week or so. It'll be online. So time now for

604
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Speaker 4: some twitter on the.

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Speaker 5: It.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just ten minutes late, that's all we got. Fitz

607
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Speaker 4: wants to know which pair would you like more? From

608
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Speaker 4: twelve to twenty. Sticking with that conversation, pairing number one

609
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Speaker 4: Ruben Bain from Miami ed rusher that one, and CJ.

610
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Speaker 4: Allen linebacker from Georgia. That's number one. Number two Mansorda

611
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Speaker 4: lane corner from LSU. This and Dylan Thieneman safety from Oregon.

612
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Speaker 4: Number two Number three Caleb Downs safety from Ohio State eight.

613
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Speaker 4: And at twenty they get Cashers how ed rusher from

614
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Speaker 4: Texas A and m That is option three. Once again,

615
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 4: one is Bane and Allen, two is Delaane and Theeneman

616
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Speaker 4: three is Downs and how.

617
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with the preconceived notion that they add

618
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Speaker 5: a linebacker in the trade market before the draft. And

619
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Speaker 5: I love Caleb Downs too much. Even though I don't

620
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Speaker 5: have How that high the twenty high, I would take

621
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Speaker 5: that pairing just because Caleb Downs there for you at

622
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Speaker 5: twelve's a no brainer.

623
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Speaker 2: I think Downs and Howe give you the two best

624
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Speaker 2: guys in my personal opinion, just in my in my.

625
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Speaker 4: You're pretty high on How.

626
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Speaker 2: I'm higher on how than probably Nick is. Let's see,

627
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Speaker 2: Downs is my second guy, which is high as hell, yep,

628
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Speaker 2: And I have how How's pretty down my list. Actually

629
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Speaker 2: how is like my twenty second guy. So it kind

630
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Speaker 2: of fits out right, Yeah, yeah, fitting that range for me. Actually,

631
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Speaker 2: I'm lying now, so the better combo might be for

632
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Speaker 2: me Delaye being my six guy and theinam And being

633
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Speaker 2: my seventeen guy.

634
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Speaker 6: That's such a good combo too.

635
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 5: As a great combo because now because that's two first

636
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 5: round grades for me at the end of the.

637
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Speaker 2: Day, for sure.

638
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, they see Baine and Allen are two first rounders

639
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: for me. Delaane and theenem In are two first rounders

640
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 4: for me. Downs is the highest out of the six

641
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 4: names on that board, and Hal is one of the

642
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: highest second round grades that I have. He's also he's

643
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 4: twenty one on my board, so right there.

644
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 6: Right there.

645
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: But I would take Caleb Downs over pretty much anybody there.

646
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: And I like the fact that you get Caleb Downs

647
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 4: in one spot. It's a cherry on top. Whatever you

648
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: do at twenty YEA, that's just extra ye that's just

649
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: something else.

650
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: The second best player in the drab. You could take

651
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: a liver.

652
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 4: Here you want, I'm good strange, Yeah, well pick it out,

653
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: all right, Patriots, we could do all of it, all right.

654
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Speaker 4: What's the gap between the levels of linebacker prospects that

655
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Speaker 4: you see on your board so far? For instance? And

656
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: he used a couple of these styles to Jacob Rodriguez,

657
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Speaker 4: Sony Styles Ohio State, Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech. Especially

658
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: the gap between j Rod and Hill and Goldley and

659
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Speaker 4: some of these other Day three guys as well, Like

660
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Speaker 4: what is the breakup from the the linebacker spot.

661
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Speaker 6: I guess I don't understand the question.

662
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, how how much of a gap is it

663
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Speaker 4: between your top level prospects and the rest of your linebackers?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a recent linebacker conversation. So I have

665
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Speaker 5: recent styles tier one.

666
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 6: I would put C. J.

667
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 5: Allen in like a tier two, and then Anthony Hill

668
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Speaker 5: at like the bottom of a tier two, and then

669
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Speaker 5: we start talking about top of tier three with Jacob Rodriguez,

670
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Speaker 5: Jake Golday, I would throw Kyle Lewis in that conversation.

671
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Speaker 2: You know more the people will say that you hate

672
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Speaker 2: or in York people will say that you hate Ryriguez.

673
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Speaker 2: Because I'm seeing some people saying that we should drafted

674
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Speaker 2: me at twenty. I think it's one as a behalf

675
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Speaker 2: for him. But why wouldn't you put Ririguez higher?

676
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Speaker 5: I just have him in the third tier of linebacker

677
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 5: and I agree with you, yeah, but you know, yeah,

678
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Speaker 5: and why do you have them there? He plays a

679
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 5: bit more stiff than some of these other guys at

680
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Speaker 5: the top. And I'm not saying Jacob Rodriguez is a

681
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 5: bad player. I don't need Texas Tech fans of my

682
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Speaker 5: comments now play.

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Speaker 4: They're already going to be there.

684
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Speaker 5: But I'll tell you what, if there's a situation where

685
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Speaker 5: the Cowboys trade back into the late twenties and they

686
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Speaker 5: pick them up, I wouldn't have problem with that. At

687
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Speaker 5: twenty might be a little rich. I think you're gonna

688
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 5: have a sweet spot of some pass rushers there that

689
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 5: make more sense. And again, I think you're gonna have

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Speaker 5: your linebacker on the team before then too.

691
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Speaker 2: So I got Styles as my thirteenth player. Alan is

692
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: my twenty seventh player. Gold Day is my thirty third,

693
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Speaker 2: So they're kind of close. There's a bit of distance

694
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Speaker 2: between Styles and Alan Goldey. A little further down, I

695
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: got Trotter as my forty second player. He'll is my

696
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: fifty third. Rodriguez is fifty seven. Both those guys are

697
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: kind of close. And that goes first round, second round,

698
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Speaker 2: third round, or whatever. Y'all can kind of figure it

699
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Speaker 2: out from there. I just wanted to get out of

700
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Speaker 2: numbers associated and I got Jayshwan Barm his linebacker as well,

701
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Speaker 2: but he's in he's seventy for me.

702
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Casey wants to know which players in the first

703
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: round would qualify as quote unquote brain works players that

704
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: Christian Parker talks about in your opinion.

705
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: First round, you've heard that'll go in the first round

706
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Speaker 2: or first round grades.

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Speaker 4: Uh, let's go first round grades? Why not?

708
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Speaker 6: Let's go? I said go in the first round because

709
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Speaker 6: twenty is gonna that's fine.

710
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: Part of that.

711
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: There's whatever you guys want.

712
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: So c J.

713
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Speaker 6: Allen this first one, that's the first one.

714
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Speaker 4: That popped in.

715
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: I think Monsieur is very smart. Caleb down is very smart.

716
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: Sunny styles, Sunny styles.

717
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 8: C J.

718
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Speaker 2: Allen's very smart. I think Colden Hood feels the game

719
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: really well, so I would say that he's smart. Thinking

720
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: him in the smart. I think Wheatley's brilliant, but he's

721
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: fast with his brilliant Yeah, and his fast may make

722
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: him seem more brilliant. I don't know, but I would

723
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: put him in smart as well. I think Emmett Johnson

724
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: from Nebraska, Yeah, running back, Yeah. I think he sees

725
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: the game well, really really well. And he a black

726
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: and kids great vision. I think he's smart. Uh, Connor

727
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: Lewis the center BROA go first round. I'm just looking

728
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: at my at the top of my second round, guys,

729
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: I think Cayden Proctor is very interesting with his hands

730
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: and that could that could count as smart.

731
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Speaker 6: As off give him as a guard tackle.

732
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Speaker 2: He's a big ass tackle.

733
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Speaker 5: I think he could play guard too. I think he

734
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 5: might be better at guard.

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Speaker 4: I have him at tackle, but yeah, having a six

736
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: foot seven guard would be interesting.

737
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

738
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if you take away some of the

739
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 5: issues that he has athletically around the edge and put

740
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 5: it inside and let him kind of work his hand

741
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: fighting more. Yeah, put him in a phone booth, I

742
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 5: think he would be it really tough to come.

743
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, also too Cowboy thirty visit wide receiver Omark Cooper. No,

744
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: he's smart, Okay. I can tell he's smart just just

745
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: by how he said, like how he sets up routes

746
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: and kind of how they do the little option stuff

747
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: in that offense. Whatever. You have to be smart to

748
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: do that kind of stuff. So I got Omar Coopers.

749
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 5: I was asked yesterday on a different platform about Hey,

750
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 5: Omar Cooper, why are they bringing him in for a

751
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 5: thirty And I figured i'd answer that here as well

752
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 5: as week.

753
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

754
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 5: It's it's a situation of every year there's two or

755
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 5: three guys that the Cowboys will bring in that they

756
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 5: think will end up in the division. And with Omar

757
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 5: Cooper very well. Can makes sense for Philadelphia if they

758
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 5: trade aj Brown. It can make sense for New York,

759
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 5: especially with the injury of Milite neighbors shoot. It can

760
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 5: makes sense for Washington. So that is one that I

761
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 5: have immediately penned is like.

762
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's a division like you know, spy job.

763
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: But they got two receivers in the in the in

764
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: the thirty visits now though.

765
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 6: Right, Omar Cooper, who else? I haven't really written a book.

766
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: Who's the cat they having? Is having dinner considered thirty visits?

767
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 8: No?

768
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't worry about that.

769
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they have Josh Cameron, the Baylor wide receiver.

770
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: I haven't seen them, but they have in dinner would

771
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: have received and I thought that was the same thing.

772
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 4: Now that that doesn't count as a.

773
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: Thirty visit, so we can go eat with folk, don okay?

774
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 4: Think so? Hey, man, Ben, I don't know if it's

775
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: bending like I think there's there's.

776
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: Gray areas having dinner with a hundred people.

777
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a part of the pro day process,

778
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: like that's where that is considered in terms of meeting

779
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: whatever you guya do, Yeah, whatever you gotta do.

780
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: But it's still interesting.

781
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: We're gonna talk to receiver, We're gonna look up on

782
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: draft weekend and you're Omar is gonna go to a

783
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: divisional foe and we're gonna remember this conversation. Yeah, people

784
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 4: are going to be in the chat pinning this day

785
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: and pinning this conversation thirty days out. Nick Harras had

786
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 4: it pegged he was going to the Philadelphia Eagles, or

787
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 4: he's going to the New York Giants or wherever he

788
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 4: ends up going. Yeah, so yeah, that'll be fun, all right.

789
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 4: Josh wants to know who was the most polarizing player

790
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 4: in the NFL draft.

791
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 5: M hmm, polarizing Keldrick Keldrick Falk is certainly up there.

792
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 5: There's a lot more hate on Keldrick than I think.

793
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 6: I'm trying to find one why he likes that. It's

794
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 6: just because of the pass rush production.

795
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: In the pass rush, lack of numbers, well.

796
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 5: Pass rush specifically, he just doesn't have. He's really raw.

797
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 5: He's gonna be twenty when the NFL season starts. He's

798
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 5: got this amazing athletic frame at six foot six, two

799
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy six pounds, but he hasn't really shown

800
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 5: he knows how to use it just yet. I am

801
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 5: under the belief that, hey, if he ended up getting

802
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 5: drafted with the twentieth overall pick to this team, that

803
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 5: he would be able to uh he'd be able to

804
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 5: work with two pass rush specialists and BT Jordan and

805
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 5: Chi Darrow whos at a rebay and maybe help accelerate

806
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 5: that development a little bit. And I think we would

807
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 5: look up by the end of his rookie contract and

808
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 5: be like, Okay, hey, that was a pretty solid pick.

809
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 5: But that's gonna take time. That's gonna take a team

810
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 5: that is willing to be patient. And I think he

811
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 5: has the tools and I think he has the mindset

812
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 5: to be able to eventually be a plus pass rusher.

813
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 6: In the NFL. But it's gonna take time, and it's

814
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 6: gonna take the right development.

815
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: Also too, I don't quite hate Faulk. It's just that

816
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: mezador who ads right now like he's ready, all right,

817
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: Mason Timas, I feel like he can go Melo, Hike

818
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: can go Sow. Have you got your edges ranked or whatever.

819
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: I just think that falk Falks not a bad player.

820
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: If if you have a coach that will put him

821
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: in a role that fits him perfectly, he could be

822
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: a great player for you. But you start putting him

823
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: versus other dudes that he'll just naturally fall fall down

824
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: that list.

825
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: I have that gut feeling that we're going to be

826
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 4: looking up at twenty and Funk is going to be

827
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: not in the conversation, but the conversation. I just have

828
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: that feeling that's gonna and then if he ends up

829
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 4: being the pick, we're gonna be sitting here on draft

830
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: weekend also saying, guys, he's a good player, he can

831
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 4: do things. He wasn't very productive. We're gonna have to

832
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: kind of play that that card, even though I think

833
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: all of us are going to agree there's probably better

834
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 4: players on the board at that point.

835
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: I would just rather FuG be twenty than twelve. I've

836
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: seen some mocks that got him top ten, which I

837
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: think is crazy.

838
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 4: I don't know about that one, Yea, I feel like

839
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 4: that one's probably a little bit more out there.

840
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: All right, we would you would rather have him? It'swil

841
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: It's twenty and twelve.

842
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: I would rather have him at twenty twenty night, I'm

843
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: sitting Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. Yeah, yeah, I think

844
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 4: him at twelve or in the top ten is wild crazy,

845
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 4: all right? When we come back here on the Draft show,

846
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: I actually do have a couple other Twitter questions, and

847
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: we have not gotten Sorry, we're gonna answer a couple

848
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 4: of those, plus we're gonna we're gonna talk about a

849
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: little bit more of these pro day numbers and some

850
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 4: of the things to talk about there, as well more

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Speaker 4: able to get to today. When it comes to the

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Speaker 4: green dot for the Cowboys, Gabe wants to know who

901
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: is wearing the green dot on defense and what's the

902
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 4: possibility of it being a rookie Little Dallas this year?

903
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 2: It'll have to be a du that they trade for, right, Like, ideally,

904
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: if we just assume in what the Parker's defense is

905
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: going to be, it's going to be close to the

906
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: calculus in algebra, you know what I'm saying. And I

907
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: just don't want to throw that on the rookie that's

908
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: been calling some defense in college. You know what I'm saying.

909
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: You're like, you may have made all the calls in college,

910
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: but what was your defense versus Christian Parker's defense? You

911
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I would rather that be a

912
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: veteran dude that's been the league, and then that veteran

913
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: guy beat the bridge guy for next year. Could your

914
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: will linebacker do it? I mean possibly, could Yo Nichol

915
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: or something. Could one of your safeties be a guy

916
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: like that? I mean possibly, But I think they want

917
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: the mic to do it, and I think that'll have

918
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: to be some dude that they hear right now.

919
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 5: Uh, there's two rookies I would maybe trust in that situation,

920
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 5: Sonny Styles just because he worked under Matt Patricia, and

921
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 5: then a smart j Allen those.

922
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh, I want to go into some bad one more.

923
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say gold Day because you have to

924
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: be smart if you play four different positions. You know

925
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Gold They'll do like both linebacker and stuff.

926
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: He'll do edge things, then he'll play nickel and stuff.

927
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: I think you have to be somewhat smart if you can.

928
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: If you're doing all that in like one games, I

929
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: would assume that gold Day smart. But the knockout picks

930
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: there are Sonny and CJ. For sure.

931
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 4: Gold Day from Cincinnati. They were looking at right here

932
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 4: on the on the tape here I want to talk

933
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 4: about Day three wide receivers, and Nick, you brought this

934
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 4: up in our group message as well, because of maybe

935
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 4: the conversation that Wat's brought up in the last segment

936
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: with Dallas still having an eye on possibly adding a

937
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: wide receiver, maybe with one of the multitude of Day

938
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 4: three picks. Remember they got a fourth round pick, they've

939
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 4: got three fifth round picks, and then a seventh round pick,

940
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 4: so they have some darts to throw at the dartboard

941
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 4: at a possible wide receiver. Late, are there names that

942
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: could possibly be in that conversation already for you, maybe

943
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 4: not for Dallas quite yet, but that you might be

944
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 4: keeping an eye on.

945
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know, with Jaylen Tobert going to Miami,

946
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 5: there's a clear hole there for someone to step up

947
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 5: and take a receiver spot on this team, and it

948
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 5: could be someone that's already here, whether it be like

949
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 5: a Tree Shawn Holden. Maybe he's you know, really improved

950
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 5: on special teams over the course of his rookie season

951
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 5: and can step in and take one of those five spots.

952
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 5: But realistically, I think it probably comes from a Day

953
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 5: three pick in the draft. And so the first question

954
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 5: I think we have to ask is what kind of

955
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 5: receiver does this team need in that in that role.

956
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 5: For me, it would be a bigger guy that can

957
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 5: play on special teams and actually have an impact on

958
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: special teams with a bigger frame. And I also want

959
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 5: a guy who you can bring in on Hey, it's

960
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 5: second down and CD or George Pickens, they need a

961
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 5: breath right quick? Can he take a Can he take

962
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 5: a quick route and make a big play out of it?

963
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 6: And when you check all those boxes.

964
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 5: For me, I look at Jeff Caldwell out of Cincinnati,

965
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 5: one of the more athletic players not only in this

966
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 5: draft from a receiver standpoint, but I think this is

967
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 5: the third year I've done the draft show, this is

968
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 5: one of the more athletic guys I've seen period. He

969
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 5: is an absolute machine. At six foot five, two hundre

970
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 5: and sixteen pounds, ran a four to three to one

971
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 5: at the combine, had a forty two inch vert eleven

972
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 5: to two. Broad was a transfer from Lyndon Wood in

973
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 5: Division two ranks in the Ohio Valley Conference and made

974
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 5: his way to Cincinnati for this last season in the

975
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 5: Big twelve, and there was a little bit of a

976
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 5: talent discrepancy obviously between those two programs. But when he

977
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 5: got to Cincinnati, he was playing against big twelve secondaries.

978
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 5: You saw that speed, you saw that athleticism still translate.

979
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 5: I think there's still some things that he needs to

980
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 5: work on in his game, but if you're talking about

981
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 5: straight line speed, oh my goodness, he's got it. And

982
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 5: if you can find a quarterback that can put the

983
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 5: ball under him, a Dak Prescott, and then this is

984
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 5: the play right here, absolutely where it's a perfect example

985
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 5: of him being able to get it from their quarterback

986
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 5: at Cincinnati, I'm blanking right now. Transferred to Tech Lake

987
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 5: Dallas kid, but I don't know.

988
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 6: God, Brendan Soresby.

989
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, but literally, like the what is it ten million

990
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 4: dollar man?

991
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 5: Something insane. We'll probably see him with the Texas Tech

992
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 5: Pro Day throwing some throwing some routes. But anyway, Jeff Caldwell,

993
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 5: you see that big frame. I would like to see

994
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 5: him work these contested catches a little bit better because

995
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 5: he has the frame to really bring them down, especially

996
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 5: in red zone scenarios. But still, over the course of

997
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 5: his last three seasons, he had twenty four touchdowns. He's

998
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 5: had big plays each of those four years from Lyndon

999
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 5: Wood going to Cincinnati. This reminds me a lot of

1000
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 5: Dante Thornton from last year, and I was a big

1001
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 5: Dante Thornton guy. He ended up getting drafted by the Raiders,

1002
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 5: of course, So if you're looking for a potential Raiders

1003
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 5: pick on day three, this one makes sense as well.

1004
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 5: But I like Jeff Caldwell a lot. And then we've

1005
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 5: talked about Josh Cameron quite a bit. Steve at of Baylor.

1006
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 5: I'll also throw in Eric McCallister receiver out of TCU

1007
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 5: production machine. He can have a big game with a

1008
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 5: ton of chunk production. There was a game early in

1009
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 5: the season where he ended up with four touchdowns over

1010
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty yards and like twelve receptions. I'm

1011
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 5: a big Eric McCallister fan as well. I think he's

1012
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: probably we're talking value Day three value.

1013
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 6: Eric McCallister might be your guy.

1014
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 4: Could he be one of those guys maybe sixth round,

1015
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 4: seventh round.

1016
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 6: I don't think that far deep.

1017
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 4: I think you probably maybe one of the three fifth

1018
00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 4: round picks.

1019
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 6: Then I think you might have to take him at

1020
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 6: one twelve.

1021
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 8: Wow.

1022
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 5: But if you feel good about where you have addressed

1023
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 5: needs elsewhere on day one and day two and potentially trademarket.

1024
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 5: I think this would be a I think this would

1025
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 5: be a great ad. I'm a big Eric McAllister fan.

1026
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: Maybe doesn't have as much speed as you want, but

1027
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 5: that's why he's in day three. I think he's just

1028
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 5: a route running machine. He knows how to get open,

1029
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 5: you know how to create separation.

1030
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: Nick Harris brought up a fantastic point that I haven't considered,

1031
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: or that I had not considered, that your Day three

1032
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: receiver gonna have to play team somewhere. So you're either

1033
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: gonna be big enough to tackle, or you're gonna have

1034
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: to be like a return guy or something like that.

1035
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: So just run running down some names, just the first

1036
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: name that kind of jumps out to me, as you know,

1037
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: somebody that could be a Day three guy, And y'all

1038
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: can stop me at any minute, because I know some

1039
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: of my Day three guys gonna be Day two guys

1040
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: for you. That's the fascinating thing about this wide receiver

1041
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: draft in general. But Ted Hurst stop from Georgia State.

1042
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 2: Just messing with for Ted Hurst from Georgia State. Threeason

1043
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: he might be He's fantastic, but dog he played Georgie's

1044
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: State great size six four, two or five. He moves well,

1045
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: run routes really well for a wire receiver that's tall

1046
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: like that. I think he gets really low in his

1047
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 2: routse And you don't really see a whole bunch of

1048
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: tall cats be able to you know, bend or get

1049
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: low or like turn really well. He's not. He's very leggy,

1050
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: but he's not leggy in a way that's like messing

1051
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 2: with his movement or anything like that great great first

1052
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: step releasing all this kind of stuff. I got my

1053
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: note separated in two categories. Right, regardless of his competition

1054
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: and because of competition, right, So regardless of whoever the

1055
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: hell that he's lined up against, right, he's he is

1056
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: a nice route runner to be six four, smooth route

1057
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: runner for six to four. He does make plays down

1058
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: the field. He tracks the ball really well. It don't

1059
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: matter who you lined up against. If you tracking the

1060
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: ball plays downfield, It don't matter who you line up against.

1061
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: If you got it, you got it. Hip sinc And

1062
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: all that great hands, and he's tall, regardless of who

1063
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: he's lined up against. That's good to go now because

1064
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: the fact that he's lined up against whoever the hell

1065
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: he's lined up against that made they may or may

1066
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: not be in the league. Whatever. I don't trust when

1067
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: he's running past people all the time, like he may

1068
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: plays down the field, I don't know if he's gonna

1069
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: run past SEC guys or big ten guys like that.

1070
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: To nixt point, he had a really good singing bowl

1071
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: and all that. Hey, we can go back and watch

1072
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,479
Speaker 2: the film and kind of break that down. But based

1073
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: on the film that I saw, he was running past

1074
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: dudes that probably won't be in the league. I thought

1075
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: he was a really good yat guy as well to

1076
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: be his size. But he's running over dudes that probably

1077
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,959
Speaker 2: won't be in the league. So you would have to

1078
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: think about those things when you're watching him play at

1079
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: Georgia State versus whoever. But I don't I don't know

1080
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: if if it's down the field speed or if it's

1081
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: yack ability is gonna translate. But just based on the

1082
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: fact that him versus competition, Georgia State, whatever, But I

1083
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 2: do like him enough. I got him in the fourth round.

1084
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: I got him behind guys like Brazo Lane. Skylar Bell

1085
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: is a guy that I have in the fourth round

1086
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: from I believe, like Florida Atlantic, I believe. Now he's a.

1087
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: Guy, Skyler Belly, you come yeah.

1088
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: I was looking at the white and blue stuff, you know,

1089
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: the jersey's missed me up.

1090
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: Sometimes on a hies and all on ones in Florida ones.

1091
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: And I don't know all the mask guys. I just

1092
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: learned that Idaho had a mascot that just bothered hell

1093
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 2: at me. So let's let me have this this conversation

1094
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 2: with y'all. The small dudes that are yat guys, right,

1095
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: you have to do something that separates them. Skyler Bell

1096
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: is a smaller guy that's a yat guy. Yep, super explosive,

1097
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: but I think he runs routes really well productive. They

1098
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: get a lot of passes to him. You know what

1099
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1100
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 4: It's their whole offense, the entire offense.

1101
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: The reason I got him in the fourth is, Okay,

1102
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: are you offense depending can you do it by yourself

1103
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: or whatever? That's why I got him down the fourth.

1104
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: But I think he does separate himself with how he

1105
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 2: gets open. You know, press coverage of kind of whoop

1106
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: up on him a little bit. But he's little. What

1107
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: you expect these three guys that I have down here

1108
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: who are also yat guys and smaller guys, but I

1109
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 2: got them way down my list. They're also Day three guys,

1110
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: but they're separate from Skyler is Kevin Coleman from Missouri,

1111
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 2: Zach Branch from Georgia, and Brendan Thompson from Mississippi State.

1112
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: I think they all run three routes. Funny enough, they

1113
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: all run three different routes. You know. Branch is more

1114
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: of a I'm gonna catch a bubble, I'm gonna catch

1115
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 2: a slant. I may run it out. I think Thompson

1116
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: is more of a I'm downfield or a bubble or

1117
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: a slant. Coleman is like, I'll run more of a

1118
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: deep crosser. I'll navigate your slant and catch it late

1119
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: and like corners or whatever. Right, So they all kind

1120
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: of run three routes to me, But they're all in

1121
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: their own respect shorter, yat guys, right, Yeah, but I

1122
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: don't think they all run routes really well. Bell is

1123
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: a shorter guy that runs routs, and he runs a

1124
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: ton of different routes, and he's somebody's entire offense. These

1125
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: dudes get busy on bubbles. But I think that they're

1126
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: all Day three guys and they'll be like return guys

1127
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: for you, Like they could be really really good return guys.

1128
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: So there's your team's return in that regard. But I

1129
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: have those dudes down there because in this draft, in particular,

1130
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: which makes it weird, you got taller Yat guys that

1131
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: run routes better than them, that are bigger than them,

1132
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: Like Jeremy Bernard from uh Bama. He's a bigger Yat

1133
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: guy that's also a better route runner than them. So

1134
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: I'm pushing small guys down the board. Surat is a

1135
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: bigger Yat guy that runs rots better than them. CJ.

1136
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: Daniels from Miami is a bigger Yeat guy, and Antonio

1137
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: Williams from Clemson is a bigger yeah guy. So now

1138
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn dog. I know a lot of people,

1139
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: some of our you know peers, they got some of

1140
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: these smaller yet guys up in Day two. I can't

1141
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: put the smaller yet guys in Day two because they

1142
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: don't run routes as well as the bigger Yat guys,

1143
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: and they are better in their offense. And some of

1144
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: these guys a thousand yard guys, iro believe Branch, like

1145
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: what simes.

1146
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 5: The sec and receiving and what in receiving? How many

1147
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 5: guys one thousands must be a Branch in that way.

1148
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 5: But but yeah, but Branch had a lot of the

1149
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 5: arts too. Yeah, yeah, something something like that. So the

1150
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 5: problem with that I have in this draft stacking these

1151
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 5: guys and Kyle, you really't ask this, but I'm pushing

1152
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 5: those guys down today three because I feel like I

1153
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 5: can find yat guys that run routes that are bigger

1154
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 5: in day two somewhere.

1155
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 4: Does this not go back to the conversation of high

1156
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 4: floor versus or low floor high ceiling, that kind of

1157
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 4: conversation because you're talking about again back to the film

1158
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 4: that we talked about in the first segment. True of

1159
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 4: you're watching the film and you're seeing what they did.

1160
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: They ran three routes. They did different things well, but

1161
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, they're still similarly built

1162
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 4: as fast, smaller. Yeah, guys, when I look at Zachariah

1163
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 4: Branch and I look at what he did well, the speed,

1164
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 4: the acceleration, my gosh, he goes zero to sixty really

1165
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 4: really quickly. I thought his hands were solid. I thought,

1166
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 4: of course, he's got the yards after the catchability. He

1167
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 4: had some return game did he talked about special teams element.

1168
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 4: He was utilized in the return game and on those

1169
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 4: screen passes a lot. I do agree with you. He

1170
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: ran two or three routes and he was most dangerous

1171
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 4: off of screenplays. What was the number you gave?

1172
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 6: Forty eight percent of his production at Georgia came on

1173
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 6: screen routes.

1174
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 4: That's wild. That's wild as most of it.

1175
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: That is half of his product.

1176
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 4: You're on a bubble screen now. That's that's how they

1177
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 4: used him. And he was in an offense that had

1178
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 4: some other bigger wide receivers outside of it. A couple

1179
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 4: of those guys went to what was it the Shrine game.

1180
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 4: I think it was Dylan Bell and Kobe Young. Those

1181
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 4: are these. So he had three other wide receivers or

1182
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 4: two other wide receivers in a tight end that are

1183
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: NFL draft bound that he was having to share the

1184
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 4: rock with, and those were bigger, bodied outside X traditional

1185
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 4: built wide receivers. Then you've got Zachariah Branch who was

1186
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 4: used kind of as a gadget guy. I don't think

1187
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 4: they asked him to do more than three things. So

1188
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 4: in my opinion, I see the traits, and I see

1189
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: his ability, and I see where he's going to fit

1190
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 4: in a system that where if you can utilize him

1191
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 4: even in two more ways. Let's say he does five

1192
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 4: routes and he adds two more branches to his rouchery.

1193
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 4: All of it. I didn't mean to do that one thanks,

1194
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 4: but you add two more to the to the this

1195
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 4: is just say branches again, branches. And I think he's

1196
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: automatically going to be a weapon at the next level

1197
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 4: because of the traits and because of what he brings.

1198
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: It's my problem. You're not wrong. You can probably develop

1199
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: Zachariah Branch into more of a you know, but if

1200
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 2: you take him in day.

1201
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 4: Two exactly you now I'm like, you're depending on where

1202
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 4: you're taking him.

1203
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 2: So now I'm like, oh, boy, k c concepts. You

1204
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: don't run a whole bunch of routes. And he's a

1205
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: yeat guy, you know what I'm saying. But Cooper like,

1206
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: all you see what I'm saying. So it's where you

1207
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: put him. And I'm like, man, I got a better

1208
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: dude to do that. So it's not like I hate

1209
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: these guys. They just fall down my list because other

1210
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 2: guys do their job bigger.

1211
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got one of those three four Cheeter grades

1212
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 4: for me right now, and I'll clean that up and

1213
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: when we get closer to draft weekend. But that's why,

1214
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 4: because I don't expect him to come in and immediately

1215
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 4: be a franchise wide receiver one of these top end starters.

1216
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 4: He's going to be in a rotation and he's going

1217
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 4: to be used in certain gadget situations as a rookie

1218
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 4: and then on special teams as a rookie.

1219
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 2: Let me ask you out, is if y'all put Turpin

1220
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: in a college player's body and put him in this draft,

1221
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: where was.

1222
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 4: The draft two? That's a good question.

1223
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 2: Because I think some of these guys are are going

1224
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: to be Turpin type guys where they got a big

1225
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: play a game, a bubble and like another thing and

1226
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: then they gonna go lean on some other receiver go

1227
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: do stuff.

1228
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 4: I'd probably put him right around where i'd have Branch

1229
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 4: in the fullest Yeah, three four, something like that.

1230
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 5: I just I don't value the the return game some

1231
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 5: people do.

1232
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 6: I put him in like the fifth.

1233
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 2: That's why I got these guys.

1234
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, the thought there is if we're talking about Turpin

1235
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 4: coming out or whatever it and so you're saying, knowing

1236
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 4: what we know now about his development.

1237
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: TCU, Turpin is a different guy. How that was using him.

1238
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I was saying, right, Like, I

1239
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 4: would want more receiver ability, which I think I'll get

1240
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: from Zach Ryer Branch.

1241
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: I don't.

1242
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 4: We haven't seen that from Cavante Turpin. He hasn't developed

1243
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 4: as a receiver the same way. He is a one

1244
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 4: trick returning pony that you can just kind of roll

1245
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 4: with on special teams.

1246
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1247
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 5: I think the fascinating thing with uh these guys as

1248
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 5: well is you talk about, hey, if you only have

1249
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 5: three routes you can run, sometimes you can't even rely

1250
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 5: on those three round because opposing defensive coordinators in the

1251
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 5: NFL they'll know that and they'll jam the hell out

1252
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 5: of you at the line. And if you're a little guy,

1253
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 5: you're not getting out of that. And we've seen so

1254
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 5: many of these speed return guys who are productive at

1255
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 5: the college level can't quite find their footing in the

1256
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 5: NFL because of that. So I align with vach is

1257
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 5: thinking here, as far as you know, these guys probably

1258
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 5: being comfortably Day three.

1259
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 6: I will say I like.

1260
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 5: Zachariot Branch's physicality a bit more than the others, so

1261
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 5: I have him as the third. But I saw a

1262
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 5: mock draft this morning from Field Yates at ESPN. What

1263
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 5: do you say he had Brendan Thompson in the second

1264
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 5: round in the second Las Vegas.

1265
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 6: Or Philadelphia Eagles.

1266
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: I love it.

1267
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 4: Take it.

1268
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 5: He actually grew up in Eagles. Fin his mom would

1269
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 5: love that. But yeah, that would be that would be wild,

1270
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 5: That'd be wild.

1271
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 2: A couple more names, just because we at the end.

1272
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: Man Cyrus Allen from Cincinnati, who's another Cincinnati guy. He's

1273
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: a little dude that can run route. So I'm kind

1274
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: of separating him a little bit in that way, not

1275
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: as much of a yet guy some of these other

1276
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 2: guy He's a cool yet but he's not. You know,

1277
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 2: he's not a yet guy like them. I just value right,

1278
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: I value route running and Malaky feels a probably tackle

1279
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: the hell out somebody.

1280
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 7: Now.

1281
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: I don't know where people gonna put him, but he does.

1282
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: NICKI doesn't test well but on his film like he

1283
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't all that fast on film neither. But if you're

1284
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: looking for a day through receiver. It's gonna do catch

1285
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: ready stuff, jump ball stuff, and he is big enough

1286
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: to probably go out there and hit somebody on teams whatever.

1287
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 2: Madaky feels another Day three guy for me. And you

1288
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: shouldn't scout the helmet, but I do. With Tennessee wide receivers.

1289
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: I like Chris Browse, but he's a Tennessee wide receiver.

1290
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: So I got him in the fourth because.

1291
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 5: I'm go back and watch his previous tape at other spots,

1292
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 5: I think you'll still you'll you'll like Brasl.

1293
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: Still, let me tell you something. I like Brasl. Contested

1294
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: catches down the field, he jump over people. He'd be

1295
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: bullying folks. I get it. But I'm a coward and

1296
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: that and that Tennessee stuff just don't be sitting right

1297
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: with me. Man, I'm leaving where I got them.

1298
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 4: I'm interested to see how you guys lean on this.

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Speaker 4: I've found myself liking this draft class more the deeper

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Speaker 4: I get into yes from wide receiver specifically, Like at

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Speaker 4: first I looked at it and I was like, man, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you've got Jordan Tyson and Carnell Tate, and I like

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Speaker 4: those guys a lot. Makaile Lemmon's a really good player.

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Speaker 4: But outside of that, it's a lot of other guys

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, because I have Chris Bell up there,

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Speaker 4: Denzel Boston up there, Bell from Louisville, Boston from Washington, Bill,

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Speaker 4: He's very fun, he's a good player, you know exactly.

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Speaker 4: So I have the names up toward the top. But

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Speaker 4: I'd never really looked at this wide receiver class as

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Speaker 4: being the high level wide receiver class that we've seen

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Speaker 4: in the past, where ten guys can go in the

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Speaker 4: top fifty picks.

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Speaker 6: I think that, Oh, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 4: The more I get into it, though, I look at

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Speaker 4: early portions of Day three, the fourth and fifth round guys,

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of possibility there. There's a

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Speaker 4: lot of talent there. I mean, whether it's the Omar

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Speaker 4: Coopers that you mentioned from Indiana or the field from

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Speaker 4: Notre Dame and Cameron who I really like out of Baylor.

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Speaker 4: Even Ted Hurst from Georgia State, as Vatch mentioned, I'm

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Speaker 4: high on him too. Like there's guys in that fourth

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Speaker 4: sixth round that I think are going to come in

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Speaker 4: and make rosters immediately at wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't feel great about the day two talent

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Speaker 5: at receiver, but day three one, day three or I

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Speaker 5: think there's a huge I.

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Speaker 6: Think I agree with you, there's a huge.

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Speaker 2: Whether they probably end up drafting, drafted or like board

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Speaker 2: stuff because I think dy.

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Speaker 6: Like on board stuff, board stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just looking at okay, because I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at man. I'm looking at my board man. Day two

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Speaker 2: is where all my guys at concept. You on Cooper,

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Speaker 2: but no surret. Bell's hurt, but Bell's film is fantastic Boston. CJ.

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Speaker 2: Daniels talked about him, Williams Berkeley. It's some some dude.

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Speaker 4: I only have six day two grades at a receiver

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Speaker 4: at receiver. Interesting, I only have six day two grades,

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Speaker 4: and I think you mentioned most of them right there,

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Speaker 4: Bell Branch, conception on brasel, like those are kind of

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Speaker 4: the guys there everybody else. Like when I look at

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Speaker 4: fourth and fifth round only I've got fourteen damn. Like

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Speaker 4: there's a lot. I mean, it is loaded there in

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Speaker 4: that middle. That middle part of Day three got C J.

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Speaker 2: Dames from Miami fourth a six to two yeat guy

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Speaker 2: whooping that people to chat hate me saying yeah route

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Speaker 2: runner and all that fourth round.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I have a back. I'll go back for you.

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Speaker 6: I'll go back for you.

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Speaker 4: I haven't I have him in the fifth, so I

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Speaker 4: need to go back a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Almost all got to go back. We were running.

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Speaker 6: I got time to go back.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why I saw him in person when

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Speaker 4: they played SMU. I wasn't super blown.

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Speaker 2: Away, but I think him and Antonio Williams are so

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Speaker 2: slick they might be. These two might be top five

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Speaker 2: rod runners in the class.

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Speaker 4: Williams much higher.

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Speaker 2: I value rod runners though, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And y'all may like, you know, shorter people that catch

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Speaker 2: bubbles and stuff. You know what I'm saying. But you

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Speaker 2: know whatever, y'all like, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I like him, all right. That does it for us

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Speaker 4: here on the Draft Show. We got to get out

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Speaker 4: of here. Appreciate you as always. We will be back

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Speaker 4: on Thursday. Right now, are we?

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Speaker 2: Is Nick gonna be here?

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Speaker 4: Nick is not here. It is just you and I

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Speaker 4: and possibly a special guess.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna figure it out. If it's just me and you, Kyle,

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Speaker 2: I know no pressure. I could talk all day to chat.

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Speaker 4: No special guests might be the phone line. Who knows

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Speaker 4: We're gonna see what ends up happening, but we have

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Speaker 4: somebody lined up. I'm gonna keep it a secret for now,

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Speaker 4: though that we would have on Thursday. But that does

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Speaker 4: it for us for Vach Lombardi, Nick Harris, Chris Beam

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Speaker 4: in the back of Kyle Yoman saying so long from

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Speaker 4: the Draft show. We'll see you on Thursday.

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