WEBVTT - Down Low in Hell's Kitchen w/ L. Steven Taylor 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.359 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.160 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.600 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:31.520 Done done, Yay, that's messed up an SVU podcast. I'm 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.600 Lisa coming at you and I'm Kara right behind. What's 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:40.720 going on, guys, I am embarrassed. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.879 This is our podcast about Law and Order SVU. We 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.360 recap episodes, we talk about true crimes are based on 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.320 and we talk to guests and we've got a good 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:50.280 one for you today. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.360 But first we like to just chit chat. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.160 And now that Lisa's moved across the country, for me, 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.640 it's one of the only times I ever. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.720 Got to talk to No. I actually text you pretty 0:00:58.800 --> 0:00:59.280 much all day. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.680 Way, did you end up ever posting that photo of. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.680 Rosy and Oscar? I'm gonna post it today. I forgot. 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.920 But how fun was that When I was helping Lisa move, 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.360 she had this huge, like it looks like a rolling 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.920 pin of saran wrap, and my kids found it and 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.520 were obsessed. They were like, it's a huge rolling pin. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.280 And then I was like, no, it's saran wrap. And 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:22.520 I was showing it to them and they were like, 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.320 wrap it around us. So I ended up like dextering 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.360 my children and they just like are in a little 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.399 They're both wearing like tube dresses made out of you know, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.880 soran and it's funny. It'll be up on my Instagram 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.560 by the time you listen to this intro. Also, by 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.240 the time you listen to this intro, I will have 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.160 returned from a relaxing five days on the island of 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.800 Saint John. I have like not been. I just gonna say, like, 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.080 I guess Caribbean. I've been to the Bahamas. That's it. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.720 Didn't you go to Aruba? Yeah, you're right, Aruba, that's it. Yeah, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.280 well that's two places. That's pretty good. Those trips are 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.240 fifteen years apart from each other, I think, like, yeah, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.040 like one was twenty nineteen and one was like two 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.040 thousand and and four. And you're going, what is it 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.680 Saint John or talking about John Saint John? I guess 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.480 it's a US. It's a US Virgin Island. It'll be 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.000 you and your friend kicking it up. Also our other 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.720 friend who you've met before, who lives up northern California, 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.040 she'll be there at the beginning and then like we 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.079 overlap for like two days, and then the last part 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:20.440 is just me and my friend. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.919 And anything on the docket or just like beach Pool 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.440 drinks lounge. I think beach Pool drinks. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.000 I mean she goes there all the time because her 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.280 family has like a place there, so she knows like 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.120 where to get like weed and where to have fun. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.040 So I guess I'll just be following her lead. But yeah, 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:36.160 no big plans on the docket. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:36.800 I don't think. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.560 Oh, I will be passing Epstein's Island on my fairy 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.040 ride from the airport to the island. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.360 Well, you better take photos of it, Yeah, I will. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.160 And she also said that we can kind of see 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.400 it from her family's balcony, and I was like, that's terrifying, 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:51.359 but okay. 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.919 Yes, but for someone with a crime podcast, I feel 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.560 like being near Epstein's Island and even close because sex 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.560 Crimes podcast that is it's kind. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.120 Of it is wild. It is sort of like a 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.120 monument I have to at least observe. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.720 Yeah, it's like going to the World War two, you 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.680 know the names or in DC, it's like you just 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.000 gotta and you know they've. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.239 Done like two different I know you know this, but 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.720 they've done two different arcs of Epstein on SVU, and 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.240 we have to decide which one we want to do. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.080 I don't want to research it. I'll tell you that 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.560 much it I'll do it. Yeah, it'll be me, It'll 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.960 be me. I'll do it. But it is wild that 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.720 they did an episode on SVU. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.880 Way before this was like a common knowledge thing, but 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.240 everyone always knew. It's kind of like like Harvey Weinstein, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.960 like everyone knew what was going on if you were 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.000 a part of that world. So open secrets, I mean. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:44.960 But the one of the funniest things I've ever seen 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.200 in my whole life. A few halloweens ago, Tim Dillon 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:52.000 dressed like the Epstein like temple building and they did 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.960 like a man on the Street interviews as the temple. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.160 And that is when I went listen, he deserves everything 0:03:59.160 --> 0:03:59.960 he has in his life. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:05.080 I'm like, this is comedy, Like, this is the best 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:09.200 thing I've ever seen. Yeah, no subjects off limits for 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:09.680 that guy. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:14.320 Oh wait, did I tell you that I'm bringing Rosie 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.520 to Disneyland for her birthday. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.120 I was there when you were trying to come up 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:23.240 with the plans, So yeah, I know that's being planned out. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.320 Because I stupidly thought that Lego Land was close by 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.520 and it's not. And so we're going to Disney, which 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.480 I was trying to put off for as long as possible, 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.479 but now we're doing it. It's our friend is coming 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.920 and bringing her daughter, and then Rosie's bringing her other 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.800 little bestie, so it's gonna be two adults, three kids. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.520 I already bought the tickets. You bought the tickets. I 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:41.279 bought the tickets. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:42.640 I mean, I'm going to be paying for them for 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.039 I cannot believe what an expensive place that is, like 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.880 for a day there, I just cannot believe how much 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:48.360 money it is. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.880 It's so crazy. What is a two hundred ticket? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.280 it's a little under two hundred. 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.240 And then I kind of added on for the Genie 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.159 Pass because everyone's like, you kind of need it, and 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.360 it's only thirty dollars more, and when you're already spending 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.479 that much, what's another thirty dollars? You know? 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:03.360 So like, but if. 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.880 Everyone is getting it, how does it Genie Pass? Like 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.480 how I don't understand how any of this works now? 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.200 And now you could sign up online and. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.080 I don't know if you can do it if you're 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.360 a season pass holder, and I think that's a lot 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.000 of people that go all the time. I don't know, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.080 I don't know. That's a great question. If everybody's genieing, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:19.880 then like, are you a genie? Like, I don't know, 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.160 you know, but I'll find out. But if anybody's listening 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.600 and you have Disneyland tips for going with children, of 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.000 course they do. I've already received a couple of very 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.040 good tips, Please DM them to me. I really want 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:32.000 this to be seamless. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.200 What are the tips here? To God? 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.200 Like, everything you do is on the app, and the 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.520 app drains your battery, so you have to bring like 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.080 an external charger for your phone. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:40.400 Great tip. Great, yep. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.880 You got to order your food like in advance so 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.120 that you just pick it up. You can bring a stroller, 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:46.760 and it's like great to have a stroller. Even though 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.479 my kids a little older, I'm going to bring a 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.280 stroller just because we can put all of our shit 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.039 in there and they can hop onto it. You know 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:54.920 that when we go to things, I have four kids 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.120 hanging off that stroller. Oscar sits up top, three kids 0:05:58.160 --> 0:05:59.640 hang on the side of it, and I push all 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:00.000 of them. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.920 I love that your arms are probably so strong. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.520 I get a full workout uphill at the zoo. Are 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.159 you kidding? A little butt little a little ug glute action. 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.400 But yeah, I just wanted to put that out there, 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.719 since you guys are all the most knowledgeable people in 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.839 the world, I wanted I wanted everyone to tell me 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:16.760 they're little Disney. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.200 They're gonna have so many I mean, I honestly, like 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.320 I understand, like you're planning a whole day. I order 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.239 your food and pick it up in the app. That's easy, 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.279 that's your card is there? Perfect? But yeah, it also 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:31.400 sickens me, like everything you know, like just walk around. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.360 But everybody says it's like a well oiled machine. It's 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.240 like really really like like they say about SVU, Like 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.040 everyone's tickets really well organized. It's so I'm I'm hoping 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.320 that it's not. We're not like hopping to different parks 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.120 like if you you know, or like the shit you 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.200 do in Orlando, because that's the only place I've ever been. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.839 I've never been to Land. But isn't this crazy that 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:51.080 we I just brought this up. 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:52.320 Kind of on a whim. 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.640 But the guest that we talked to today, does talk 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.640 about that with us? Oh my god, we did talk 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.280 extensively with our guest about this. I didn't even realize. Yes, 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.840 And then I saw someone else that does it that night. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.840 Oh yeah, the girl one of the girls that does 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.400 the hair at the salon. She's a big Disney girl 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.920 and she she has a season pass and she goes 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:13.520 and dresses up and does all of it. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.480 I mean, I get it. It's magical. Nostalgia's in. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.160 I mean whatever, I just have to, like, I have 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.280 to do something so that Rosie's not trying to buy 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:22.960 ten million things. Like I have to be like, you 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.320 get one thing, so pick it, like she's just gonna 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:26.440 ask me for everything. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.480 Well that's also what our friends said, do not buy 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:29.480 something in the beginning. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.120 Yeah, like let's wait, tell me what you want at 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:33.440 the end and we'll go back to it or. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.960 Whatever, right, Yeah, or something that's not like a full toy, 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:38.680 because our friends said last time they went, the girls 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.360 just wanted to play with their new toys and they 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.680 were like didn't care so much. So it's like maybe 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.960 if you buy the ears or like I remember, I 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.640 used to be really jealous of the like the Pluto 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:51.720 dog leash like it. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.600 Looked like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that thing. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:56.320 Like somebody that there was something you could put in 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.440 the stroller that's not like that distracting, but like, yeah, 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.440 they're gonna want to everything. They're gonna want ice cream, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.920 they're gonna want the snacks like they're going on to 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:04.680 meet everybody. 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.960 Someone told me like, oh, Rosie's basically tall enough to 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:09.400 go on a lot of the rides, because I was like, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.080 what can she even go on? But apparently there's a 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:12.600 lot of stuff for her to go on at her height, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.680 and our friend's kid is a little bit shorter, so 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.920 I was like, I hope she and her mom was 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:19.120 joking going, oh. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.080 I'll just put lifts in her shoes, and she said that. 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.640 Her parents put lifts in her shoes, which she was 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.280 a kid, which is so perfect. If you know her dad, 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.000 I feel that they would try to pass her off 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:30.560 as taller. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:32.640 Well, I'll tell you a story, and I think I 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.480 might have told you before, but David Drake was a 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.400 child and he was too small. You know that ride 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.680 that like it's a boat that goes yeah, like this 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.240 what is it? Is there a name for it? It's 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:42.120 not like a full ride. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:42.400 Guys. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.280 It's like, you know the boat that swings up and 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:45.880 down and you're kind of just like swinging. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.000 Yeah, it swings side to side. It looks like a 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:49.160 half moon or something. 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.160 Yeah, it's between a carnival like, it's like one of 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.000 the smaller rides. So his dad brought him up there, 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.800 and he slid from under the gate and the dad 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.720 grabbed him by the straps of the back of his 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:04.520 own overalls and he dangled while being held by his 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:05.440 overall straps. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.240 And he has never been on a ride ever since. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:13.079 My god, Park, there's a reason for those height levels. Yeah, 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:14.760 Hershey Park I went to as a kid, and I 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:15.800 fucking love I've. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.400 Never been I would have loved it. I love Hershey's. 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.040 I don't care what anyone says. And oh the sugars too, 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.880 the taste is whatever. Go back to England then, bitch, 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:23.319 I like it. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.080 I love Hershey But we went to Hershey Park ancestme 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.200 place in one family trip and it was like the 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:31.920 best and my siblings were all too scared to go 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:33.720 on anything, and I just went on everything by myself. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.839 Yeah, damn, I loved it. I just really want to 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.959 go as a special person. I mean, obviously if you 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.839 listen to the podcast, you know that I want that. 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.080 Like I don't want to wait. I don't want to 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.600 do ipe treatment. Yeah, because I pissed myself on Space 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.240 Mountain when I was a teen. And it's like, I 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:48.560 just don't want to wait in a line. I have 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.040 to be too much. It's like, honestly, all of my 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:55.959 triggers are there, like the waiting, the being trapped. Yeah, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.920 Like it's truly like I would love to meet all 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.000 the characters and walk and like, you know, see the 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:06.880 kids have fun. I mean, should I fly back for it? 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.280 It's a Saturday. I'm excited because I think she'll have. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.479 A blast, but she also wants to stay for the fireworks, 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.720 and I'm like, what time are we getting home? 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.520 You know, let's just stay there. Suddenly I've invited myself 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.640 to her birthday. Yeah, you're like, wait overnight. You mean 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.800 we're gonna get a hotel? No, I meant to. Actually, 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:27.160 I'm in Tacoma. Please come see me live. I'm happy 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.320 to be in Tacoma. Wait what weekend April fourth to 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.520 the sixth? Oh wow, yeah, Spokane in Baltimore. I'm doing 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.160 Moon Tower baby, New Orleans, Kansas City. I think you 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:39.600 know you know who I want to come. 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.920 Yeah, Lisa's all over the place doing stand up. Will 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.720 announce pod dates down the road, but in the meantime, 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.240 go get your Lisa fixed. I really really really love 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.480 watching Lisa do stand up. It's it's so good. So 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.840 go and go to Thats Messed Up Live And there's 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.880 a Lisa's website link that tells you where to go. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.719 And as always, I'm gonna hear I'm here to beg 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.559 you for reviews and five stars and whatever. 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.120 I mean, I'm not even It's like we really rarely 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:05.360 do that. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.160 For the mount of YouTube and shit I listened to 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.280 and the mount people ask me to subscribe. 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.000 I think we are very chill in our asks. 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.280 Yeah, and tell a friend, Tell a friend about the pod. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.840 We'd love some new listeners and people to people just 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.640 constantly going how did I not find out about this? 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.600 It's like, I don't know, it's been around for three years. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.840 So tell a friend, and what do you think. Let's 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.280 get started. We've got a hot episode for you today. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.920 We're really excited. Let's get going. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:39.320 We're starting down low in Hell's Kitchen, which kind of 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.360 sounds like a lyric that would be in Hadestown. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.560 It really would. I've lived in Hell's Kitchen, you know, 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:45.440 do you have any memories? 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:45.800 Yes? 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.000 I worked in Hell's Kitchen for years and years. If 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.360 you don't know New York. Hell's Kitchen is like the 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.840 western part of like the forties in Manhattan, I would 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.880 say Times Square, but to the west, so like ninth Avenue, 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.199 tenth Avenue, eleventh Avenue outdide the water. And I worked 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.960 out there for years, and I've had a lot of 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:05.880 great nights in Hell's Kitchen. There used to be a 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.599 great restaurant called Hell's Kitchen HK that had bottomless mimosas, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.679 and I have been so bombed there so many times, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.720 like it was just I would go with all my 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.439 friends and just literally drink mimosas for five hours. One 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.680 time I slept through an improv show. You know, I 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.760 did too, but on stage, but I was hey. I 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.560 slept through the improv show. I woke up and there 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.600 were a million text messages like I had friends coming 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.280 to see it. I get up, I sprint down to 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.760 the show. I come out on stage and the whole 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.600 that all my whole group starts a scene where they 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.520 start going, we thought you were fucking dead, and like, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.640 are like trying to kill me? Like are just like 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.120 hitting me and screaming at me, and we just like 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.240 turned it into a scene which is like the dorkiest 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:47.319 improvy thing ever. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:52.160 But it was so funny. No, it's so cool. You 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:53.640 made it work. Yeah, to stay home. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.680 You ran, Yeah, you ran to the show and you 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.160 made an entrance and they didn't know you were going 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.080 to show up. No, they'd been texting me, They're like, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.800 what's up. We're so that's the opposite of dorky. That's 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.439 opposite of dorky. That's cool. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.080 So I guess I didn't fully sleep through. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.480 I slept through the opening and the first probably half 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:10.320 of the improv show. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.520 But anyway, Hell's Kitchen's great. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.079 There's another episode of SVU called just Hell's Kitchen that 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:16.880 we've done right. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:22.560 I feel like I there's also a Down Low, the Lowdowns. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:23.400 That's so funny. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.000 This episode is like two SVU episodes merged together. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.360 Yeah. I was gonna say this is more midtown. But 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.959 did you go to Blockheads? I feel like you were 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:32.679 a Blockheads? 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.400 Oh yeah, baby, when I was a page my page. 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.920 Friends from the Midwest loved Blockheads, so we would always 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.559 go there and they had like good margarita deals or 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:43.320 something like that. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.319 I don't know if they were deals, but they were 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:49.600 just like delicious giant with Corona bottles poured in. So 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.360 let me set the scene. I I'm living in Hell's Kitchen. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.480 I just got to New York and this is I feel. 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.840 It's an after five PM spot, Like it's surrounded by 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.160 New York New York, like all the tall buildings. Everyone's 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.199 at work, and then there's this courtyard and in it 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.760 is Blockheads, and I just feel like I felt like 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:08.680 the coolest girl in the world. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.160 And is there that Blockheads is also really close to 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.360 an off Broadway theater where I saw Avenue Q. 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.000 Wow, it just felt like I loved sitting outside there 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.920 and I just it blew my mind of a Corona 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:22.480 bottle in. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:23.400 Yeah you know what I mean. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.160 Wait, maybe where I saw Rock of Ages, not Avenue 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:31.880 Q with Constantine Marulis, who famously has fucked many housewives anyways, 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:36.440 Wait wait, no, Constantine Marulis from American Idol. 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.600 Sure, yeah, yeah, but who's he fucked in the housewife universe? 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:43.600 I believe lu Anne, and I believe maybe Ramona, Like 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:44.840 there's like a couple of them he's. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.960 Had sex with. I'll google it while you start. Okay, 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.120 all right, I do love that. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.800 What do we call a chuckle fucker for house swap cylinder? Okay, 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.120 So anyways, this episode We're Here, We're Here, Season twenty one, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.080 Episode three, twenty nineteen, we get a Benson Noah walk 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.240 and talk. She's on the phone. He's in a baseball 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.360 tea and a giant backpack. And all backpacks are too 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.760 big for kids. Why can't they just make smaller backpacks 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.600 for kids. I don't understand. You just got to buy them, 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.000 but why are people not buying it? Like why are 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.600 the backpacks so giant? There's nothing in there but a worksheet. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.280 They're they're a whole body, they're flopping. I just don't understand. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:28.040 It's something that bothered get the What is that like Swedish. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.600 Brands or whatever? Yeah? 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:36.120 Yeah, yeah, Like get one of those for your fucking kid. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.040 So she's on the phone, she's discussing, she's discussing a 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.320 case another one. So he waited three days to go 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.040 to the er and he didn't report it. Uh, you know, 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.440 so she gets it. She hangs up. Noah runs away, 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.440 of course, causing trouble. Benson calls Finn to fill him 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.520 in that there's another attack in Hell's kitchen. 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.080 Dun, dun. A black mail is tased very sad. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.000 Finn is suited up with a giant collar on his shirt, 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.000 and Finn already knows what the case is going to be. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:05.920 Is he filing a complaint? And that's a no. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:07.960 And Finn's like okay, So, like, what do you want 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.240 us to do? Benson goes, well, you have a gay son, 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.360 maybe he can help. So I kind of love that. 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.120 But Ken does work at a gay crisis center, and 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.800 Finn corrects her and goes LGBTQ, as Ken says, so 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.600 Benson goes, yeah, yeah, just go talk to your gay son. 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.200 So then she gets back to her own son, Noah, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:29.520 who famously bisexual, and drops the bomb. He goes, I 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.360 don't like baseball. I think it's boring. I'm over it. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.000 He points to a jim. He goes, I want to 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.480 dance like these people. So he smiles. She's happy, you know, 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.960 because I bet her brain goes, oh, someone's molesting you 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.920 at baseball. But he just wants to dance, so now 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:47.160 he'll have dance. Finn visits Ken. They're awkward as always, 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.480 but Jaden the grandson, was just talking about his grandpa qute. 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.760 They giggle. So now they get down to business. There's 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.320 a serial attacker hitting up black professional men in a 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.440 gay area and all these men don't report, and Kenna go, well, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.240 these men have wives and kids, and Finn goes, oh, 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.480 they're on the low, and it's like this is what 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.199 a fifty year old black man that grew up in 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.720 New York like he knows, he knows what's going on, like. 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.640 You know what I mean, Like him being like, oh, 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.080 they're on the low. I don't know. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.320 Am I being too Am I being too nitpicky on 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:18.040 Finn right now? 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.160 But like, bro, no, it's also we've done You've already 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.040 done episodes about this. We've literally already done episodes about this, 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:24.840 Like you know. 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:25.280 What this is? 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:31.200 Yeah, it's it's just I just caught that and now 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.520 I feel like I'm being too hard on Finn and 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.400 I'm embarrassed. So he's like, well, hit me up when 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.000 the men are here, and Ken's like, no, no, no, 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.679 I'm their advocate, not yours. I'm not pushing them to 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.320 talk to you, and Finn goes, okay, but if no 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.479 one says anything, then this dude has no reason to stop. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.040 So now we cut to a famous singer. He's in 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.240 a fashion hat. He's smiling with fans, he's taking pictures, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.680 signing stuff, smiling. I said smiling twice. He is very smiling. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.200 Beautiful smile. I'm not under selling the smile. And he's 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.320 enjoying the attention. There's an old white man with him. 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.000 We're going to assume an assistant or a manager works 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:09.080 for or with. Will find out it's a manager. I'll 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:10.680 just tell you it's not that big of a secret. 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.560 I don't know why you're like this big reveal. Will 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.920 later it's a manager. It's chocolate. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:21.400 Okay. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:27.400 So he's rushing him along though, and they get into 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.919 a black suv, which is my favorite thing to do. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.560 So the manager is pissed about something on his phone 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.040 and the singer's like, I actually don't want to deal 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:35.880 with this, and the you know, the dude his name 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.439 is Fish. He goes, this isn't going away, and the 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:39.960 brother is sitting in the front seat and it's like, 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.399 shut up, leave my brother alone. You're always bringing him 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.920 down and worrying. And he's like, dude, that's my job. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.960 And they tell him go home, drink some wine, hug 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.000 your wife. I'm done. So the popstar says, I want 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.760 some air. He decides to get dropped off and walk 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:56.720 the rest of the way home and he says bye, 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.680 and he's like, listen, everyone needs to trust me. I'm 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.600 gonna be careful. They say bye, and then you could 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.200 tell their relationship is sweet because. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:04.760 He's like, tell your wife. 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:10.600 They say hi, And I felt I felt the familiarity 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.000 and familial vibes in that. You know, this isn't a 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.840 y Clef Jon type of manager situation. I feel, you know, 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.040 the s guy cares I've lad. The driver not happy, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.320 but the star reassures them and he goes, come on, 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.679 I want to go have some fun. So we're at 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.320 an upbeat pop music bar, you know, music's playing, and 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.760 a guy recognizes him and goes, you're Mathis. He's annoying, 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.000 he's drunk. I don't like him. He wants a picture 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.199 Matthis Brooks is like, nah, I don't want that. The 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.280 song his song, though, is playing at the bar. What 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.159 are the fucking chances and this dude gets pissed and 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:43.320 starts yelling, and he's like. 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.520 How dare you not take a photo with me? You 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:46.240 piece of shit? 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:50.120 Your song actually sucks, and then starts screaming that's Mathis, 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.960 that's Mathis. Mathis is getting stressed. He runs out. He's 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.000 walking through SVU coded streets. I would say, this is, 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.359 you know, this is what we think of what we 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:02.520 think of SVU. They're scaffolding and there's uniform cops with 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.639 flashlights looking for someone, and the cop jokes like, hell, 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.880 let's bet homeless or drunk lol, So then it's Mathis. 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.240 That's who they find. They find Mathis. 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.639 He's hurt, he's shaking, he's begging for help, and it 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.720 cuts to the credits. So we open up on Barnes 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.800 aka Garland AKA I don't know their Adam dem. 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.959 Barn He only got a season. He only got a season. 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.960 Honestly, who's the newest guy he's been on for a 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.520 few I can't tell you his name right now, Oh, Vincenzo. 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:32.720 What's his name? 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.919 Danny? Want to say is Danny Zuko because that's what 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.400 he looks. I mean, Tavia Taviano Pazzano is his real name, 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.160 but like, I'm trying to think of what his fucking 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.000 oh Velasco, fucking Velasco. 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:47.760 Yeah, so yeah, So it's Barnes and basically he's the 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.520 only good boss that's ever respected Olivia and they kicked 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:52.680 him out after one season. 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:54.360 It's just like, is it because. 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.200 He was good at his job and competent and empathetic 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.960 and happy, like it's sick. So him and Benson and 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.119 are discussing the case. Zero reports filed, so this is 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.879 very hard. Benson goes, I know about the stats, but 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.240 and he cuts her off and goes, oh, I will 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:09.359 never care about stats. 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.239 That's not an issue for me. If stats go up, 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:11.720 that's good. 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:15.520 It means people trust us enough to disclose, so that's 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:16.160 really cool. 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:17.600 And he goes, but what do you need? 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.560 And she asks for manpower, a wider canvas, and security 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.120 camp checks and a chat with hate crimes. He goes, 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.480 uh uh, I'm beloved. If hate crimes had any information, 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.359 they would tell me. Also, they're very spread then, so 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.400 now he goes, but we can be proactive. Nothing will 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.600 stop us, and she gets a ping at this moment 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.359 on her phone. It's Rollin's there's another vic uh oh 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.000 so we got to go get to Mercy Hospital. Benson 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.040 and Fann are walking and the sun is hitting them, 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.879 it's glistening off of her hair. Finn wants to gossip 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:51.000 about the new guy and Benson goes listen. He's methodical, thoughtful, 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.600 ivy league and Finn's like, well, then, why the fuck 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.639 is he a cop? And there's so much paparazzi at 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.840 the hospital, so they're very confused what's going on. Rollins 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.280 is looking hot in a plain white tea and black blazer. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.320 But it's a relaxed blazer, you know what I mean, 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.960 Like it's it's not as professional. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.080 It's cool. It's cool. 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.439 It looks like a four hundred dollars blazer minimum. And 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.920 she's like some pop star math is something and Benson's 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:21.439 shocks she knows exactly who that is, and unfortunately he 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.880 was tased and a beer bottle was used on him. 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.760 Benson is like, I thought he was straight, and Rollins 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.359 is like, sure, but it was Hell's kitchen. You know 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.639 he has a gay following. I don't know if you 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:34.760 know he'll report it, or the manager or the brother. 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.200 They're being very protective. I don't know what's going to happen, 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:39.440 so the manager breaks it down. They were at the 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:41.600 studio till one in the morning and then you know, 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:43.960 they went home. Rollins asked if he's gay, and the 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.960 manager is like, oh, Mathis is an ally. He loves 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:49.880 his gay friends and following. But he fucks all the time, 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:54.240 very hot women. Halsey one week, then Ariana, so he's 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.800 out and about. He's out there and then he goes. 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.200 He gets more ass than a toilet seat. The manager says, 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:03.760 but little does he know that women's squat, so he's 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.760 a fool. Benson and Finn is with the brother and Vlad, 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:09.639 and the brother says he likes to go on walks 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:13.280 after sessions. He gets good ideas. And then we're interrupted 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.679 by a nurse and it's a nurse from Nurse Jackie. 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:16.879 And I do love him. I saw him on the 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.280 street once. I said you're great. He winked it was amazing. 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:21.400 I love him. I love him too. 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:25.080 But he explains that Mathis is not ready for a 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:25.560 rape kit. 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:26.840 He is too traumatized. 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.159 But he is ready to talk and they promise to 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.000 respect his privacy. He's laying in the hospital bed. He's 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:34.399 not in good condition, but you know, he's shaken up. 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:38.000 There's bandages everywhere, but he really likes his nurse and 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.840 he calls the nurse good people. So I like him 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.199 because usually I don't really love a fashion hat. But 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:45.800 his spirit shines through. He said that you guys are 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.439 good people as well. So he explains what happened. He 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.000 was walking, he heard someone behind him, he felt a 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.960 jolt that knocked him off his feet. He bent over 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.760 the scaffolding and then pulled his pants down. He starts 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.959 to cry, he you know, got horrible things yelled at 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.000 him the F and N word, and he said he 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.400 got a glimpse. It was a big guy, scary looking white, 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.240 long hair beard, maybe a hoodie. 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:07.680 But it happens so fast. 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.360 So then Benson brings up the gay angle about gay 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:13.680 black men, and he's like, no, I'm not gay, but like, 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.000 this is fucked. Someone would attack me because of the 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.600 color of my skin and because like maybe I was gay? 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:19.359 What the fuck? 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:21.919 And he gets really shy and tired and just the 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.520 fact of the world upsets him, so he doesn't want 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.400 to talk anymore and he just goes, man, I went 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:28.040 out for air. 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:28.600 That's it. 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.160 Like this is so fucked Finn gives him his card, 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:34.199 they walk out, So Rollins caught something. We have a 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:38.240 bar selfie hashtags summer sweat, so he did not walk 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:38.840 straight home. 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:39.600 He went to a bar. 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:42.439 So they're just learning that information and they're gonna go 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.399 talk to this asshole. And his theory is famous people, 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.720 oh fans their whole lives, so you better be fucking nice. 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:52.480 And Rollins is like, the bartender said you got aggressive 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:55.200 and that you suck as a human, and he's like, no, 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.919 I fucking hate a tourist. He's in the he's so 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:02.080 deep in the closet. He's Narnia. I'm really liking the 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:05.920 references in this episode. We have fun pop stars and 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:09.600 we have an I've never actually I don't know anything 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:10.240 about Narnia. 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.560 Well, you get to Narnia the Lion, the Witch, and 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:16.119 the wardrobe. So you go through the wardrobe or like 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:17.440 the closet to get to it. 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.639 So okay, so it's called Lionwitch in the wardrobe and 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:22.000 you go through to get to Narnia. 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:24.480 Well, it's the whole thing is called the Chronicles of Narnia, 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.320 and one of them, yeah, I believe the first one 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:26.920 was the Lion of the. 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.560 Witch in the wardrobe and it's like Christian right, there's 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:30.480 like undertones. 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:32.520 I think it's evangelical. Yeah, probably. 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:34.000 I read it when I was really young, and I 0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:36.840 read one and was like, so I understand what it is, 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.120 but I don't think it didn't link me in. I've 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.160 never watched any of the movies or anything like that, 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.679 but it did really penetrate the culture. Yeah, and this 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:45.480 guy's saying it. 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:49.040 So Ronalds is like, okay, and that makes you mad, 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:52.199 and he denies following him and he's like, listen, I 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.159 went uptown to meet someone and we fucked. So I 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:56.480 don't know what to tell you. And they're like, do 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.280 you know his name? He goes no, but I can 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.800 show you his grinder profile. I love that he is 0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.359 a slut. Okay, So there is a three way chat 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.239 outside and it's a really super downtown. You could tell 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:08.800 they were like buy all the courthouses and de Moore 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:11.720 Barnes aka Garland. Again, this is going to confuse me 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.440 the whole time. Hopefully after this episode I'll finally learn 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.800 about him and Benson and besides that, I love him. 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.879 So Benson and Finn they're talking about the case and 0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:24.840 they're like, well, let's just so. Then Barnes finally shows 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:28.080 his head bitch and charge bad attitude and goes, let's 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:30.600 just push him out of the closet, and they're like, 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:32.760 what the fuck are you talking about. He goes, listen, 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.880 he needs to have some civic obligation and he needs 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.480 to come out, and they're like, okay, I guess we'll 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.000 go bully this victim. And they're like, well, do you 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.040 want to have the cereal or not? And Finn and 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.439 Benson are stunned, but I guess it's an order. So 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:48.439 now we though. We cut to Mathis and he's on 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:52.080 Instagram live. He has bandages but a great attitude. There 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.840 are balloons. Benson and Finn walk in and they start 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:58.080 the guilt trip, like, hey, we know you're really scared 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:00.720 to do all this, but if you come maybe that'll 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.639 help other people come forward. Your music touches so many people. 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:07.880 The manager obviously is like no, but matthis is like, 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.399 you know, you really think me coming forward would make 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:12.720 a statement. I don't care if people think I'm gay. 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.160 This is bigger than mathis now, and when you talk 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.359 in third person, you know there's something breaking in the 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.720 brain so this is a tough moment to watch, but 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.960 he is down to help, so he goes on live. 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:24.880 He breaks it down. 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:27.160 He says, you know, like our community is in trouble 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.200 and we need to be there for them. So Benson 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.240 Finan Rollins are watching this unfold on a big screen 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.000 and they're like, hell, yeah, we didn't even know he 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.359 was gonna come out. This is beautiful coming forward, he's 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.680 doing interviews. Ken walks in with a man named Devon 0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:43.760 Thompson and he's there to disclose and they take him 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.280 to the Blinds Wood Room and he was leaving a 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.640 bar called Swank in Hell's Kitchen and he's low key. 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.520 He keeps himself, but if someone starts a convo then 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.360 he's down. But no one talked to him that night, 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.879 so he was just walking to the E train. Then bam, 0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:01.000 taser bottle, ambulance and he didn't get a look, he 0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.600 didn't hear anything. It all happened really fast. He goes, 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.400 but I go to the bar every Tuesday. My family 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:11.280 thinks it's my post choir hang But so Benson asks, 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.800 has anyone ever approached you on another Tuesday? 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.160 That seemed weird? And he goes yeah, there's this one 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:16.600 white guy. 0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:19.040 One week he asked for a smoke and when he 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.119 saw that it was menthol, he gave you know, he 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.920 gave me a hard time and he goes, your wife, no, 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.800 you smoke those, and Devon says, I got a bad vibe, 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:29.960 so I went inside. So could it be this guy? 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.720 So now Rollin's knock, knock. Benson hair blows in the 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.200 wind as she walks to answer the door. So Rollin says, 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.280 another guy agrees to talk to her, but she has 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.680 to pretend to be a client. Benson then goes, this 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.960 is great. And when you talk to the guy, ask 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.320 if someone said something to him about his wife, because 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.800 just go do that. Rollin scurries off. We're at a 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.840 brokerage firm. This is I mean, it's a hotti end Suspenders. 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.080 This office is gorgeous. 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.240 I mean, I just. 0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.480 Felt like this is the richest looking office I've ever 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:03.240 seen on the show. It looked expensive marble, nothing like it. 0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:05.760 But they're also chatting right in the middle of this 0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.520 busy lobby of the most luxurious office I've ever seen. 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:10.840 And it's like I thought this was a secret conversation. 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:12.760 They're truly at the bottom of the stairs of the 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:17.080 lobby of this giant office, Like you can't you take 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:19.360 her to your like into your own office. 0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.480 Can't you guys meet at a library. 0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.640 I don't understand why this is even, this undercover operation 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:26.360 is even. 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.760 Happening, with just how much he cares about the secrecy. 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.400 I he didn't even have fake papers in his hand. 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.360 But he goes, yes, someone did mention my wife and 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:39.480 son and I do go every Tuesday. And he goes 0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.880 this guy he looked blue collar, dirty, reddish hair and 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.360 he but he's like, I didn't see who tasted me. 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.560 I just know the person who made a comment. And 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.680 so now we're with this other guy and he has 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.120 a whistle soccer coach vibes. He got attacked on a 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.440 Tuesday as well, but he remembers the toe of the 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.960 boots were covered in paint and holy shit, someone asked 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.120 him about his wife and family as well, and what 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.160 he remembers the guy was white, tall and thuggish. So 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:08.320 and this dude says quickly goes, I shut it down immediately. 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.840 My worlds are separate, so I don't fuck around with 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:13.000 that shit. Finn Is like, for sure, I'm just trying 0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.360 to catch the guy. So now we have a Kreesi 0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.760 sighting Barnes rollins Hadid and a whiteboard. 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:22.200 And I know I gave you a pause. It took 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:26.400 you a second. I did you think of Gigi Hidid first? Maybe? 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.560 And then like and then it trickled down. 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:32.200 No, I honestly always think of miss Jadid because it's 0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.360 Careesi always calls her like, well, miss Hadid, that's like 0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.960 we gotta prosecute, you know, like and uh, I don't 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:39.280 even know her. 0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:40.800 I don't remember her first name, but I don't like her. 0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.080 Well because they brought into more Barnes to be a 0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.400 good guy, and so they had to bring someone to 0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:49.320 be bad, and so it happened to be fucking bitch. 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:54.040 So anyways, there's a timeline, there's a pattern, taser scaffolding, Tuesday, 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:57.880 bars Hell's kitchen bottle. Okay, So Hadida is confused why 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.240 the grand jury hasn't been heard yet, Like, excuse me, 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:01.280 why isn't this moving along? 0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:02.600 And they're like, well, the guys won't testify. 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.240 She goes subpoena them and they're like, okay, so these 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.680 are humans and they live double lives and we need 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.480 to protect their double life so Mathis and the other 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:11.960 guys have different descriptions. 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:13.200 That's the only issue. 0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:15.120 So these other guys that have come forward have a 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:16.520 different description than Mathis. 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.480 Also, like what is she talking about? Like why isn't 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.360 the grand jury heard? It's like with who there's no person, 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:24.600 there's no suspect yet, Like aren't they just supposed to 0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:25.400 like find the suspect? 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:26.640 What are we talking about? Grand jury? 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:29.960 Dude, you caught it. Yeah, she is a fool. So 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.000 now they're going to send in the Chief undercover and 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.040 I love this. And he's the type. He's an upper 0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.760 crust black dude in a suit, so yeah, and he's 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:38.960 hot as fuck, like he is about you know, he's 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:40.600 about to get dicked down if he wants to. At 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.360 this bar, Caares and Finn are drinking in the back 0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:45.760 watching and Caresee's like, holy shit, that's the fifth guy 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:47.480 to flirt with him, and he's kind of jealous, and 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:51.560 Finn says, Chief can pull and I like love this. 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.360 And he's being flirted with by young guys and Rollins 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.280 and Bensoner in a van and they're like, right as 0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.360 they're about to pack it. In classic television, we see 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.600 a tall, blue collar farmer man and hare we go. 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:06.880 He goes over to Barnes, and Barnes says, I've seen 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:09.040 you around here, and he goes, no, you don't come here. 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.720 So he's a pro, and he has red hair. 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:14.720 He's white, he's tall, and then he says get home 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:18.040 to the wife. And he's like, I'm that obvious, and 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.880 he goes, well, maybe not to her burn she's why 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.160 do we have to drag her into it? And he 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.160 tries to leave and the guy calls him Cinderella, which 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.480 I like, he does have a sense of humor. Okay, 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.560 so he goes, what happens after midnight? He turned straight, 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.360 Barnes shakes his head and walks out. So then this 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.560 motherfucker takes a bottle from the bar with him and 0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:41.280 walks out with purpose. Cariesy stays back to grab DNA napkins, 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.680 and then Benson and Rollins and everyone in the scaffolding, 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:46.680 they're in their trenches. Everyone's like trying to get to 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.440 the guy before he acts. And I swear the taser 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.120 got so close. The taser got too close to comfort. 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.360 Rollins like, taser was out almost at the neck. I 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.280 was very very scared. Yeah, Rollins jumps out right at 0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.280 the nick of time. They take out the bottle and 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.440 finncuffs him and goes, you know, it goes to black. 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:05.880 He's with a defense attorney that looks like he voted 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.960 for forty five and farmer boy is saying, those bars 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.880 were laid by bricks by my grandfather. 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:15.600 So fuck all these gay dudes. What I can't go 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:19.360 to the bars. Hell's Kitchen's my neighborhood before these people 0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.320 came here. And Rollins needs clarification if it's gay or 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.960 black people, and red Ty Lawyer. 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:27.960 Is like, hey, pack up the tackle box. It's just sorry, 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.080 go I'm not gonna get it straight. 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:31.320 It's just so. 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:33.960 Funny to me when these people are like Hell's Kitchen, 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.160 like before these people came here. It's like, so the 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:37.920 gay neighborhood in New York used to be the West 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.440 Village classically, then it moved up and became Chelsea, but 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:43.760 it stayed the West Village also like and then. 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.480 Chelsea also moved up and became Hell's Kitchen. 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:48.680 So now it's this entire chunk of the city that's 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.520 become more expensive, like more people want to live there, 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.440 like when the gay people, when gay people moved to 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:57.800 your neighborhood. It gets better, is all I'm saying. So 0:33:57.840 --> 0:33:59.320 I don't know what this man is talking about. 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.360 The proof is in the pudding with I can't believe 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:08.279 I said that, saying, did I just transfer? So like 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.640 in Indiana when they passed one of their anti gay bills, 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.600 like all of the like Mike Pence did it, and 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:18.719 like Indiana is huge for conventions, and every convention canceled, 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.640 Like Indiana lost billions of dollars from places not people 0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.480 not wanting to be there. And it's like your hatred 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.320 is so like you don't even understand, you fucking idiot, 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.960 Like what are you talking about? You're right, that whole 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.239 West Side is getting built up now constantly. 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.080 Like Hell's Kitchen didn't used to be a cool place 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:35.480 to live. 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.120 Now it's so nice. It's like, I don't know about 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:42.560 so nice. Let's relax, No, it is, it's getting nicer 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:42.919 and nicer. 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:44.960 There's like I don't know, Look, maybe we that's an 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.560 argument about gentrification. But this white man here, I don't 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.000 think is being gentrified. I think he's just mad that 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.080 gay people and people of color are coming into his 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:55.040 old neighborhood. He's like it was. It used to just 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:58.680 be a racist Italians around here. You pushed us all out. 0:34:58.520 --> 0:34:58.719 You know. 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.760 Well, it's also like you didn't lay the bricks. 0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.000 Yeah, you didn't do it. It's class. 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:09.719 This is a classic, classic, classic, So whatever. After that 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.200 little exchange, Rollin says the bar genders said, you're a 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.719 regular on Tuesdays. He goes, yep, that's after I do 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.040 a urine test for my parle officer. I have some 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.680 beers and Hadid Benson CREESI are all spying. And this 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:22.440 dude does have a rap sheet that goes back to 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:26.520 his childhood. He's obviously a hater and he is the 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.239 stun gun bottle guy like we know it. 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.359 Hadid Is like his lawyer is too good. 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.319 We need more airtight evidence because he's gonna poke every 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.520 hole he can. And let's get the lineup going with 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:39.000 these three dudes. But the three dudes from the bar 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:42.080 didn't even see him, so we can bring in Mathis. 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.799 But Mathis's description didn't meet the other guys. And also 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.000 the brother doesn't want him going in and feels like 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.800 his brother needs a break. And matthis is on the balcony, 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.480 he's looking out there's fans with signs. He's working on 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.399 a new album. He's feeling good. They tell him that 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.360 there's a suspect. He gets excited, but then less excited 0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.239 when it's revealed. He's the only one that saw the 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.400 face because it was you know. And then he's like, 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.880 but it was dark. And then the manager's like, listen, 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.880 I don't know if his psychologists would advocate for this. 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.879 She doesn't want him getting triggered, and they explain there's 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:13.799 gonna be a two way mirror, no one will see you. 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.719 And honestly, Mathis seems like a good guy. He just 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:18.960 wants to help, so he goes, yeah, I'm gonna go. 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.080 He puts on fashion flair for the You know, the 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:23.120 lineup's no different. 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:24.719 Life is the right way. 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:28.400 There's a fedora, there's a caller, there's a red striped suit, 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:32.239 and he is fucking up the lineup. He's going from 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.080 number to number. He keeps changing his mind. He's falling apart. 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:39.279 It's a wrap currsey. You know it's not good, but 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.480 you know tomorrow brings another day. He walks fast with 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.880 an attitude. You know he's stressed, but he has hope. 0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.319 He's shaken up and then Rollins has more news. On 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:52.000 the drive over, he kept asking what number is the 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.960 purp gonna be? And Carisey is explaining, how you know 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.160 to Hadid, how concerning that information is. He goes like, 0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:00.720 that does not happen, and she's just a dumb bitch 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.359 so she has to make everything difficult so she doesn't care. 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:06.360 And also mathis was not on a Tuesday, he was 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.799 on a Friday, and Moran has an alibi for Friday night. 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:11.800 He was at a Mets game with his ex girlfriend 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:15.880 and she goes, shut up ex girlfriend, that's that's not reliable, 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:19.479 and Cariese's like, you are a piece of shit. You're 0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.319 the one who told me this lawyer is gonna poke 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:25.080 holes through everything, and now I'm cocking up these holes 0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:28.160 and you know you're not liking it, and she goes, 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.319 well fill them up, and it's like he's trying. You're 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:34.480 rejecting and dismissing him, like I just hate her. And 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.320 so now we're in court. He pleads not guilty. Also 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:39.560 he is on parole, so what an idiot. He's getting 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.719 remanded to Rikers bye bye. So then the you know, 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:46.000 the defense attorney comes up to caresy and says, you know, 0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:49.239 here's your tip. Your star witness is lying and I'm 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.239 gonna drop the bomb on CNN or Fox. I'm not 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:55.320 sure yet. He acts fake chummy with Caristi and runs 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.640 off and you know what's what's it going to be? 0:37:57.960 --> 0:37:59.920 And it's a video of his brother purchasing a star 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.439 But also, how do the defense attorney know about this? 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.120 Is this luck? You know what's going on here? 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:09.759 And for the client, there's a selfie of him from 0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:12.000 the baseball game. And even though he is good for 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.840 the other assaults, mathis did poison the well now with 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.000 his lies. So they bring him in and he's like, 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.200 because my brother bought a taser, I'm a liar. This 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.160 doesn't even make sense, and Creasy gas lights him, and 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:24.359 then the lawyer goes, I'm sorry, but tasers are legal 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.840 in New York State, which is great to know, honestly, 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:28.320 and I'm buying. 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:29.520 One and it's and beer. 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.400 I'm gonna buy it all and he flips it and goes, 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.319 you guys got the wrong guy, and now you're trying 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:35.840 to put this on me. And I kind of like 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.440 his perspective, and they're like, no, let's find out what 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:40.880 we missed. He's like, well, maybe there's a copycat or 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.440 two guys, and his lawyer goes, shut up. We came 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.360 here to cooperate, and now it seems like he's a 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:48.320 suspect and we'll be out of here. And Finn stops 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:50.400 her and says, we need to get to the truth. 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:53.399 He breaks down, his voice shakes. He's so angry and sad. 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.000 He's like, you saw me in the hospital. You saw 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.719 my cuts and bruises, the burns. It happened. What that 0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.279 guy took for me? Get back, like, why would I 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:04.000 make something like this up? His head falls into his hands. 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:08.200 He's exasperated. They walk out full crew meet up. Finn 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.360 is like he really believes this, and it's like I 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:13.080 believe it too, but they think it's him and that 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.759 he's lying and he just piggybacked all of these but 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.320 Hdid's like, yeah, but he didn't tase himself. Good point. 0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.160 Finally she's doing something right. So then they go to 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:23.600 talk to the brother and he's doing VR games and 0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.120 a lot of windows, a lot of really tall window rooms, 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:30.480 and so he takes off his virtual reality how much 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.600 he does, especially for such a serious type of episode. 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:37.400 I guess yeah, I've only done VR once and I 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.200 did like it. So the brother is like, you know, 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:42.600 I'm a gadget guy, and they're like, okay, but we 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:44.280 also found fingerprints on the bottle. 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:45.800 Do you think they're gonna be yours? 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.600 Huh, Rollins asks, and then she catches him in a 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.480 moment where he spills that Mathis knew about the attack 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.880 sooner and that's why he bought a taser for protection. 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:57.919 So then Vlad the driver comes over and he's big 0:39:57.920 --> 0:39:59.719 as fuck and he goes, your brother said, don't talk 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:03.480 to anyone, and he is so tall and looking at 0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:05.960 Rolin standing next to Lad is the funniest thing I've 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.440 ever like. It is like Bruno Mar's and Taylor Swift. 0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:11.560 It is a big height difference. So now we go 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:13.919 to the manager who says that he knows that kid 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:15.960 so well and that he is not lying. 0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:17.160 He's like, listen, I. 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.040 Was shocked about the gay element, you know, because he 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:21.080 comes from a church family, so there is a lot 0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:23.640 of shame and Rollins is like, yeah, but he was 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:26.680 brave bad enough to like come out and be himself, 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:28.840 and the manager goes, that's because he has integrity, and 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.719 they're like, well, we don't think this happened. Is your 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.520 client desperate enough to stage an attack? And the manager, 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.560 you know, is like, I thought he was really attacked. 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.640 I don't know about this or have anything to do 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:43.279 with this, Like, I think this happened. And he didn't 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:45.919 believe he was gay, but TMZ was threatening to out him, 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.920 so he had to get ahead of it. So the 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.719 manager then fully says, I, you know, heard about the 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.319 assaults and came up with the plan, and then he 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:56.680 goes and if you didn't find the actual guy, this 0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:58.560 would have worked, so. 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:01.640 Damn, damn, damn, damn. 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:06.040 Yeah, so yeah, they didn't think that NYPD would catch him. 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:10.200 They just haven't met SVU detectives before. Rollin shakes her 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:12.879 head in discuss. She's very upset about this. And now 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.040 we go to another set of fans holding signs in 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.960 a circle around him and another hat. Baby this guy, 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.840 I mean, he's spending all of his money on hats. 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:23.680 The jacket is purple, the hat is brown, and he's 0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.879 talking about how he was attacked and the NYPD asked 0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:28.879 him to come forward and it was at a great 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:31.319 personal loss to him, but he did it. And now 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:34.600 they're calling him a liar and everyone booze and he's 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:37.480 heartsick that they only see black men as criminals and 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:41.280 not victims. Garland is livid and wants him in cuffs, 0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:43.560 and Benson's like, listen, that's not a good idea because 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:46.360 the other victims are afraid. So she explains if we 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:49.799 go after mathis then nobody comes forward. Hadid says some 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:54.879 dumb bit shit, and then Benson says, we're different. We're 0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.640 different here at SVU and we don't blame victims here, 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:03.400 and then she goes and we're different than securities frauds. Yeah, bitch, 0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:07.000 you did numbers, you did papers, you did white collar crime, 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.960 and you're here trying to like terrorize rape victims. 0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:11.120 It's truly sickening. 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:15.359 Yeah, but she sarcastically says thank you, captain, and they 0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:17.960 fight like this case is taking too long in the press, 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:20.160 and Benson's like, you're the one who pushed Caresy to 0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:22.839 take this on. And then Careese has to stop these 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:25.640 screeching women, and he sees both of their points of view, 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:28.239 and then Finn is like, listen, we need to keep 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:30.640 working the case and we will get there. She's gonna 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.719 push the DA for more time and she leaves. That's 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:34.480 the thing, Like all of them come around and do 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:36.319 what they say, So like, why put up this fight? 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:37.120 Why do this? 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:40.040 Yeah, the door shuts, Benson's ready to talk shit about her. 0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:42.319 Benson walks over to Garland and says, she is not 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.040 my boss. He says, but if she calls her boss 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.759 and he calls my boss, then we're fucked. Benson says, 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:51.080 I don't care about her exploding clock, and I'm not 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.880 letting this go and we are doing this, and she 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:57.040 storms out, angry teen style. Back at work, none of 0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:59.160 the men want to come in or run their rape 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:02.920 kits or anything. And the only bottle CSU found was 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:06.279 from Mathis, so they rechecked security cameras and it's like 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:08.240 he grew up there so he knows how to avoid 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:12.719 the cameras and his uncle put in the cameras. Yeah, 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:14.880 Benson is like, maybe someone at the bar can give 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.360 us scoop, but damn, they're all mad at us because 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:20.600 Mathis like, you know, did that press conference saying we suck. 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.359 But then one of the victims is behind him and goes, 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:25.520 can you blame us? And it's Devon and they all, 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.239 you know, they all look at him, and he's like, 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.600 I came here because of Mathis and now because of him, 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:32.840 even if I testify, who would believe me? 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:34.239 And they all stare off. 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:37.280 So then Devon goes Ken told me I left something 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.839 out that might be helpful. So he says, the first 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:42.840 time that he met Miran, he was out there smoking 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.480 and you know, he left us out that they followed 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:47.440 him back into the bar, they got into the bathroom 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:51.400 that the guy, the bad guy, got on his knees 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:55.080 and unzipped his pants and it was very consensual, and 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.680 he knows he's repressed and he really can't fully let go. 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:00.680 But you know, he went to back to the bar 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:04.200 and they did take a selfie together. So there's a 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:08.880 bar selfie after a blowjob, bathroom situation, after a smoke 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.960 session outside dune. So I'm glad he finally can you know, 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.440 let them all know all this information, all evidence is important. 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:18.440 And it was not the same night as the assault. 0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:20.719 He ran into him a month later and he got 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.279 out of there because he's like, I don't I don't 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:25.680 like it. The photo show, like you know, I wasn't 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:27.920 happy about this. So now they're at rikers and they're 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:29.520 going to try to make a deal with the guy, 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.480 and this lawyer laughs at Creasy's face, and Creasy says, 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.840 forget mathis, we don't need him anymore. 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.600 We have new evidence. Duh. Can't you tell? I'm cocky? 0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:40.439 And there's a photo of them together, and Caresey brings 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.480 up the bathroom blowjob and he denies it and calls 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:45.000 him a son of a bitch, and the lawyer's like, okay, 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:47.719 you say it's consensual, so who cares? And he goes, oh, no, 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:48.360 for sure. 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.840 I think. I mean, I don't care. I think a 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:51.919 jury wouldn't care. 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.719 But you know they are gonna hear it too, And 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.400 your farmer client knows that right, and the farmer is 0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:00.760 getting angry, and Creasy plays games with the public. 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:03.200 Are you just calling him a farmer? Is there like 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:05.640 anything about him in here being a farmer? Or you 0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:07.239 just like that he looks like like you just that 0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:08.120 he looks like a farmer. 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:08.239 No. 0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:10.520 They said he was rural, that he had paint on 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.239 his boots, that he had he had the flannel. 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:14.919 They said rural. 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:19.120 They said rural. I feel okay, So okay, farmer, they said, 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:23.239 thug rural, a rural man who lives in who grew 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.479 up in Hell's Kitchen, but Hell's Kitchen was different because 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.480 now he only comes in to go to his parole 0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:29.080 to piss. 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.880 Oh it used to be Irish Mob, I thought because 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.000 the movie that movie that came out that I guess 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:38.280 was a bomb because it was Elizabeth Moss, Melissa McCarthy 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.800 and Tiffany Hattish and it did not do well. Okay, 0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.600 So Carezy plays games with like public trial info and 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:45.600 then threatens jail rape. You know, we love when our 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:49.560 SVU detectives do that, and it's just a crazy trope 0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.879 for their profession. So basically it's like, plea out now 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:54.520 and then you go to jail as a straight dude, 0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:56.240 or go to trial and then you go to jail 0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:58.560 being a man who sucks off black dudes at bars. 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:00.760 So what do you want to do? And he's pissed. 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.320 He you know, he's undercover too, like he's he's racist 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:07.560 sand homophobic like this this can't yeah, like he won't 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.479 be able to join the gang he wants to either. 0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.920 I think Benson and Finn are hanging in the office 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:14.920 and Garland walks in and he has good news and 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:15.600 better news. 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:16.120 That's rare. 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.280 He's getting sview a white shield and that's a worker 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:20.280 that's not a detective. 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.440 Okay, do you know who this is going to be? 0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:24.799 Is this cat? Is this? Is this before cat comes 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:27.160 in or something? Oh? I don't know. I didn't look 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:27.400 it up. 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.520 Sorry guys, But he believes they will be great mentors 0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:34.239 to this white shield. And Moran did plead guilty, and 0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:38.200 miss Sidis also said thank you so and the guy 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:41.440 is getting seven years for sexual abuse one. He wants 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:43.440 to know what changed his mind and Finn goes, why 0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:45.360 are you not you know, don't ask, don't tell? How 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:47.839 about that? But he is down to take the swin. 0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:50.600 He doesn't need to know any information. He's happy about this. 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:53.480 He does want to go after mathis but Benson says, no, 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.319 what good is that to scare victims? I mean, how 0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:57.719 many more times does she have to say it in 0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:00.759 this episode? False reporting is extreme rare, she says, And 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:02.799 if we keep this in the news, survivors will be scared, 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.040 they won't be believed. And Garland goes, so he's not 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.000 gonna pay for the damage that he caused, and Finn goes, oh, 0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:11.080 he's gonna pay. He's gonna pay plenty, and then they 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.640 have a stare off, and then Finn goes to talk 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:16.000 to Mathis and says how he's not gonna go to jail, 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:18.759 and he has a really nice kitchen, and Finn Is like, 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:20.920 I don't know why you did what you did, but 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:23.239 if you didn't come forward, we wouldn't have caught this guy, 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.920 and more people would have been hurt, so honestly respect 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.520 and he's like, oh my god, that is true. Nobody 0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:31.080 remembers that, just the whole world laughing at me. And 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:33.920 Finn's like, I know something was done to you. It 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:36.759 doesn't matter if it was like this time, but you 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:39.080 need to deal with whatever happened to you in your past. 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:42.480 And that's a nice cool fact. He goes, that's on you. 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:46.000 Mathis looks pained. He doesn't know how to feel. And 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.640 now Noah's late to dance class. I mean, can he 0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:51.200 this kid do one thing right? Benson walks him in 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.759 for the first day. He's welcomed. It's cute, tons of 0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:58.799 kids are dancing, Benson's into it. Noah smiles, Benson smiles back. 0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:01.839 Dick Wolf, Baby, Yeah, this is like they I think 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.440 they wanted to incorporate the fact that Ryan Buggle is 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.040 a dancer in real life. So that's where this whole 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:08.880 storyline came from, one hundred percent. 0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:11.560 But then they didn't give us enough like has there 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.320 even been a recital, like you tea yeah, yeah. 0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:15.759 He does a hip hop dance. He does a hip 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.000 hop dance. We see it, okay, because I don't remember that, because. 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.479 I'm like, okay, you tease this, We're excited he's gonna 0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:22.800 bring his Broadway skills, and then this happens. 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:24.680 I'm so annoyed. Yeah. 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:26.759 So when I lived in Hell's Kitchen, there was I 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:28.640 wish I remember the name, but there was like a 0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:31.759 super super old Irish pub I would go. 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:35.320 To sometimes for like takeout. Oh yeah yeah. 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.160 So then I built a whole reality in my head 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:40.840 about it being an Irish fishing village back in the day. 0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:43.399 So I don't know if I made it up where 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:48.640 I learned that, unfortunately, So I'm sorry about that, all right, 0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:49.960 and no worries. 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:52.839 Thank you for the recap. Guys, don't go anywhere when 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:54.440 we come back. I think you know what this is 0:48:54.480 --> 0:49:02.680 based on. All right, let's get into it, because this 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:07.040 is a very recent crime obviously, but like I just 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.040 feel like I blocked out some of the details, so 0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.239 I was actually kind of interested in going back into this. 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:12.440 Obviously. 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:16.640 This episode is based on the fake hoax attack on 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.640 Jesse Smollett, who is an actor and singer, and I'm 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.520 just finding out started out his career in the Mighty Ducks. 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.080 I didn't realize he was in the Mighty Ducks, and 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:28.040 that's pretty crazy. He did a lot of stuff as 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.720 a kid like Mighty Ducks, like child modeling, acting stuff 0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:33.560 like that. And then twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen his 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:35.799 star really started to rise and he started to gain 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:39.200 attention for his role on the hit show Empire with 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:42.720 Taraji p Henson and Terrence Howard. He plays their son 0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.120 on the show, a game musician named Jamal Lyon. And 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:48.279 it honestly feels like when you read the synopsis of 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.960 Empire that HBO just like made it white people and 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.200 called it succession, like it's the same thing. It's like 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:58.080 Empired did it first. So it's really interesting because then 0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:00.760 like the the hotits well, it's the classic. It's the classic. 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.000 It's the it's the classic. Who's going to take over 0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:03.520 my company? 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:07.400 Struggling for the I mean the classic living single friends 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:10.160 of it all. Ah, yes, yes that as well. 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:14.560 Yes, I mean for sure. So Jesse Smallett is gay 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:17.080 in real life. He came out publicly on Ellen in 0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:20.799 twenty fifteen, so life is going pretty good for him. 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:22.680 He's on this hit show, but I guess things were 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:26.920 not popping off enough for his liking. On January twenty second, 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:29.680 twenty nineteen, if we all remember, like a one year 0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:33.200 before the pandemic in Chicago. 0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:35.239 In the city of Chicago. 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:38.800 So for the first thing that happens is on January 0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:42.120 twenty second, a letter gets sent to Empire Chicago studios 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:45.560 where they filmed episodes, and it's addressed to Jesse Smallett. 0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:48.000 And it's a stick figure hanging from a tree and there's. 0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:51.400 A gun and it's in like magazine Ransom Note, my 0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:55.880 favorite murder font and it said Smallett, Comma, Jesse, you 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.680 will die and it said maga. So there was also 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.320 white powder in the envelope that was later discovered to 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:03.000 be tile and all. 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:04.760 So that's a weird thing that happens. 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:07.680 They get that, he gets this weird, vaguely threatening letter 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:10.200 by somebody who's cutting out magazine clippings. 0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:12.520 A week later, it's January twenty ninth. 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:16.400 Jesse Smollett tells people that at around two am, he 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.799 was coming out of a Subway sandwich at two in 0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:21.960 the morning. I didn't realize subway was open like that. 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.200 I didn't know Subway was doing the late night hours. 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:28.239 And he was attacked in the Chicago neighborhood of Streeterville, 0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:30.000 which I had never heard of. And when I googled it, 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:31.839 it looks like it's kind of like nice right by 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:33.440 the water neighborhood. 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.120 Maybe you know more I don't. It sounds like Gold 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:38.120 Coast Downtown down like Vibe. 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:41.160 It looks like it's part of not Miracle Mile, but 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:43.120 Miraculous Mile or something like that. 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:47.200 Yeah, there's a Viagra Triangle area that's the Gold Coast 0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:48.279 any like that. 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:50.200 Yeah, I do like that. 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:53.080 Anyway, I googled it on Google Maps, but it seems 0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:55.359 like it whatever, that's what it's called Streeterville, But it's 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.759 like a central area of Chicago. Probably touristy too, I 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.040 don't even know, but he said he was on the 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.560 phone with his manager, Frank Gatson at the time. 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:05.280 Yeah, it's very touristy. 0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:08.880 It's my Navy Pier downtown beach for sure, gotcha on 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.600 the water. Yeah, but it's January in Chicago, so it's 0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:13.640 fucking freezing. 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:15.759 You're at a subway at two am. I don't know 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:19.080 what's going on, and maybe he's been partying, who knows, 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:21.799 but he is on the phone with his manager, and 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:23.600 it's like, shout out to your manager for picking up 0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:24.479 the phone at two am. 0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:25.200 That's wild. 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.799 And then when you're on Empire, Yeah, people are going 0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:28.880 to answer when you call it. 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:30.160 Yeah, I guess. 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:34.520 So he says two men in masks attacked him and 0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:38.120 used quote unquote racial and homophobic slurs, and one of 0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:41.080 them allegedly yelled, this is Maga country. 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:43.520 Honey, No it's not. It's Chicago. Yeah. 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.440 Well, that's so funny because when I first heard this story, 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:47.960 I go, wait, where was it? 0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:48.920 It was in Chicago? 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:52.680 Like I just was like not buying it immediately because 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:56.000 I was just like, maybe if there's a convention going on, 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:59.120 a Republican convention happening in Chicago at the time, but 0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:02.000 on a regular at two am, there's maga people roaming 0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:02.960 the streets of Chicago. 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:04.000 That was not jibing. 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:06.920 No, there's definitely maga people in Chicago. They could also 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:09.080 be out late at night. My issue is you could 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:11.960 be maga in Chicago, but it ain't Maga country, Honey, 0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:14.879 you are not, you know what I mean, Like there 0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:19.000 are maga people there, but Chicago is definitely blue as fuck, Like. 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:20.759 Yeah, and I guess I mean. 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:23.279 The difference between a person that votes for Trump and 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:26.080 a person that says this is Maga country is like 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.640 they're two different kinds of people, Like, you know, like 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:30.480 someone being like, this is Chicago. 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:31.080 We don't. 0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:33.080 Like It's like I'm not even doing the right accent. 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:36.120 Like nobody's like, hey, this is maga country. Get the 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:39.280 hell out of here, you know. So he also said 0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:43.160 that these attackers quote poured an unknown chemical substance end 0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:45.480 quote on him during the attack, and he said that 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:47.880 the attackers were white and that they hit, kicked, and 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:48.439 bit him. 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:50.120 You don't want to lie about a bite. 0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:51.839 Yeah, you don't want to be doing that. We are 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:53.880 going to be getting the dental records. 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:54.400 Yeah. 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:57.480 The Chicago pat also reported at one point during the 0:53:57.520 --> 0:53:59.839 attack that the attackers put a rope around his neck. 0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:03.440 So he said he fought off the men and that 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.520 his manager, Gatson, called the cops at two thirty in 0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:08.799 the morning, which was Smalllett was pissed him out because 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:10.799 he did not want the cops involved. When the cops 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:13.200 arrived at two forty, he still had the white rope 0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:16.080 around his neck. He later admitted to removing the rope 0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:18.640 and then putting it back on before the cops arrived, 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:21.720 after his manager told him to do that. So anyway, 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:24.040 there is video of him going, oh, yeah, I put 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:24.360 it back on. 0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:26.120 I just wanted you to see it or whatever. 0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:28.200 But I could understand you being like, oh, I didn't 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:29.840 want to like touch the crime scene. 0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:30.439 Who knows. 0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:33.200 Smollett said that the attack may have been motivated by 0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:35.560 his criticism of the Trump administration, and he thought it 0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:38.239 also could have been connected to that weird threatening letter 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.279 that he got at work the week before. So he 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:43.560 was treated at Northwestern Memorial Hospital and was determined to 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:47.200 be in quote unquote good condition. So now it's January thirtieth, 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.600 it's the next day, and I remember this day. You 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.840 could not scroll social media without seeing this guy's face. 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:57.120 It was fucking everywhere. Every celebrity was posting We're with you, 0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:00.560 I Stand with Jesse, Like everything was like this is 0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:02.880 fucked up. This is not how this world is supposed 0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:06.120 to be, like, you know, kind of it really tapped 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:11.120 into like the divide in the country, and everyone is 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:13.200 talking about how this is like a fucked up hate crime. 0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:16.920 Every celeb Viola Davis, Janelle Money, Ti Grace Byers and 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:19.160 Iaowmi me Campbell like these are all people that public's 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:23.040 publicly supported him, many many people. On July thirty first, 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:25.279 a weird thing happens where he refuses to hand over 0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:27.239 his cell phone to the Chicago ped they want to 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:30.279 confirm the conversation with his manager, you know, and like 0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:33.640 a day later, the police actually said, quote, he's a victim. 0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:35.120 We don't treat him like a criminal. 0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:37.160 And then they say that they won't keep asking for 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:40.719 the phone, and Jesse later said I have private pictures 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:43.319 and videos and numbers, my private emails, my private songs, 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:46.680 my private voice memos to explain his resistance to handing 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.520 over the phone. So then it's February first, the next day, 0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:51.759 and Jesse Smollett speaks out for the first time and 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:54.480 he goes, I'm okay, and he says, quote unquote, the 0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:56.839 outpouring of love and support from my village has meant 0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:58.719 more than I will ever be able to truly put 0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:00.960 into words. I'm working with authorities and have been one 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.400 hundred percent factual and consistent on every level. 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:04.160 End quote. 0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:08.120 Chicago ped releases photos of two people of interests that 0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:12.960 they are looking for. On February second, Jesse Smollett does 0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:16.320 a concert that has been pre planned and he talks 0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:18.960 about it on stage, and he's on stage going just 0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:20.759 because there's been a lot of stuff said about me 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:24.440 that's absolutely not true above all. I fought back and 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:26.399 he said something like, my lawyers don't want me talking 0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:28.040 about this, but I'm talking about it, and then he 0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:31.759 ended that little rant with I'm the gay Tupac and 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:34.520 then said nothing else, and everyone was like, what does 0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:35.160 that mean? 0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:35.600 What? 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:36.000 Like? 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:40.200 So about two weeks go by, it's Valentine's Day and 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:43.000 the two persons of interest are arrested and interviewed and 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:49.360 they are Nigerian brothers named O Ba Binjo and Abimbola Osundairo. 0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:52.759 And there they go by Ola and Abel and their 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:56.600 brothers from Nigeria, and they'd been previously background actors on 0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:59.040 Empire and they had gone to the gym with Jesse 0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:02.040 Smollett before, so why do they want to talk to 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:02.560 these guys? 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:03.120 What's going on? 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:05.680 They're also black, they're not white the way that Smollett 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.719 reported his attackers were. And this is the same day, 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:10.520 the day that they get taken in is the same 0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:13.000 day that Jesse Smalllett goes on Good Morning America and 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.759 is saying through tears that like, gay people have to 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:18.200 learn how to fight when they're attacked and stuff like that. 0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:21.000 Like he's like giving a tearful interview on GMA. So 0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:25.440 the episode's definitely stealing from that because you know, Mathis 0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:28.720 goes on his press tour. A couple days later, the 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:31.040 brothers are released and the cops said that there have 0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:35.600 been quote some developments in the investigation. February twentieth, Jesse 0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:39.480 Smollett gets charged with disorderly conduct and filing a false 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:45.680 police report. So this is now been three weeks since 0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:49.840 the attack basically, and we're finally getting oh, he's being 0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:53.120 charged with like lying about this, because before that it's 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:56.040 like it's hearsay. It's oh, maybe he made like what's 0:57:56.040 --> 0:58:00.240 going on? Things aren't adding up. So the felony count 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:03.200 in Illinois carries a max of three years in prison, 0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:06.360 is what we know, and the same day as he 0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:10.520 gets this, he gets these charges, a reporter discovers footage 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:15.280 that shows these two brothers buying ski masks, gloves, and 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:16.280 a red hat that the. 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:17.560 Police was used in the attack. 0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:20.280 And apparently they had asked for a Maga hat but 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:24.400 the store didn't sell those. So in the brother's financial records, 0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:27.240 it's also revealed that they've purchased rope, the rope that 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:29.919 was found around his neck at a hardware store over 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:32.320 the weekend of January twenty fifth. So I remember hearing 0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:34.560 about this and being like, did these guys attack him? 0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:35.400 What's going on? 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:38.400 Like you're just putting this together, like never imagining what 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:40.480 the truth of it is. So then the next day, 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:43.000 Jesse Smollett turns himself in and he gets arrested. And 0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:46.480 guess who he hires? Lisa Mark Garretton. 0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:49.040 How did I know? O? God, how did I know? 0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:49.560 So? 0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:52.080 Yeah, Mark Garrigos is this famous lawyer. 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:56.080 He's literally represented celebrities like win Onna, writer, Michael Jackson, 0:58:56.440 --> 0:59:00.800 all kinds of people. But then he also represented Peterson, 0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:05.080 he represented the Whitewater woman, Susan McDougall, Gary kandit the 0:59:05.080 --> 0:59:05.680 guy who. 0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:07.280 Was wanted in the Chandra Levy case. 0:59:07.280 --> 0:59:13.240 So he is like as close to like a Robert Kardashian, 0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:15.760 you know, as we have still alive, or like these 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:17.320 sort of like Alan Dershowitz. 0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:17.800 I guess too. 0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:20.320 They're like guys that are like famous lawyers that we have. 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:25.440 So Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said at a press conference 0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:28.800 that Smollett quote took advantage of the pain and anger 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:32.720 of racism to promote his career. And it's alleged that 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:35.440 he paid these two brothers thirty five hundred dollars to 0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:40.320 stage this attack. So the brother's lawyer, Gloria Rodriguez, said 0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:43.160 that Smollett first drove her clients to the attack spot 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:46.400 for a dress rehearsal and pointed out the cameras to 0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:49.320 them and said, here's a camera, there's a camera, and 0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:51.320 here's where you're going to run away, like staged it 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:54.320 with him, And they said that his plan was to 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:56.919 post the footage on social media. He didn't really want 0:59:56.920 --> 0:59:59.320 the cops involved. He just wanted to like get the 0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:02.400 whole thing on grainy security footage so that he could 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:04.120 put it on social media and be like, look, I 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:06.000 was attacked, blah blah, blah. I don't know why he 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:08.520 thought the cops wouldn't get involved at that point either, 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:11.080 but he was very pissed to find out that the 1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:13.320 cameras were pointed in the wrong direction from where the 1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:15.120 attack took place, so none of it was caught on 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:16.040 security camera. 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:18.080 And now the cops are deeply involved. 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:21.720 So the day after this happens, he is suspended from 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:25.640 Empire on February twenty second. A few days later, the 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:28.720 check he used to pay the brothers is found and 1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:31.360 it is dated January twenty third, and it says, quote 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:35.440 five week nutrition slash workout program and in parentheses don't 1:00:35.480 --> 1:00:37.880 go and don't go is a music video that he 1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:39.520 was planning to shoot, and he wanted these brothers to 1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:41.880 help him, like get ripped for it. So that was 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:44.160 the ruse, was that he was hiring them for personal training, 1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:46.680 but it was really attack me on the streets and 1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:47.560 make it look maga. 1:00:47.760 --> 1:00:51.360 I mean, the string of evidence is overwhelming. 1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:51.959 Yeah. 1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:55.600 In March, he pleads not guilty to sixteen counts of 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:56.720 disorderly conduct. 1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:58.200 I didn't realize all of this. 1:00:58.480 --> 1:01:01.000 Two weeks later, after an emergency court appearance, all the 1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:05.240 charges against him are dropped his lawyer releases a statement saying, quote, 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:07.280 he was a victim who was vilified and made to 1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:11.120 appear as a perpetrator end quote. The mayor of Chicago, though, 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:13.920 Ram Emmanuel is like dragging him and is like, you've 1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:18.560 hurt Chicago's reputation. And then the prosecutor named Joe Maggots, 1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:20.960 who is the one who dropped the charges? 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:26.760 Ram a manual the balls on that fucker, Yeah, because yeah, 1:01:26.960 --> 1:01:27.680 fuck him. 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:30.160 Well, the prosecutor who's the one that dropped the charges. 1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:34.280 This guy, Joe Magatz told CBS he thinks Small is guilty, 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:37.440 but he dropped the charges because Jesse Smallett forfeited his 1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:40.560 ten K bond and did community service. I'm like, what, Like, 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:43.400 that's what happens. You can just like let your bail money, 1:01:43.440 --> 1:01:46.880 your bond money go away and do some like pick 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:49.000 up trash in the park, and you can just your 1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:50.440 criminal charge can go away. 1:01:50.720 --> 1:01:51.120 Anyway. 1:01:51.240 --> 1:01:52.960 Maybe they thought they couldn't prove it, Maybe they thought 1:01:52.960 --> 1:01:54.240 it was too much of a media circus. 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:54.760 Who knows. 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:56.959 They also ordered him to pay one hundred and thirty 1:01:57.000 --> 1:02:00.280 thousand dollars to cover the cost of police officers looting 1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:04.439 overtime worked on the case. Officers say that they spent 1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:07.919 a lot of time reviewing video and evidence that could 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:09.600 have been spent on other investigations. 1:02:09.960 --> 1:02:12.600 This is not the only crime happening in Chicago, you know. 1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:16.400 But a year later, in February twenty twenty, Dan Webb 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:18.880 pops on the scene. He's a special prosecutor for the case, 1:02:18.920 --> 1:02:21.200 and he's like, oh bitch, I'm reopening this shit, and 1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:23.240 he wants to charge Jessie Smallllett with six counts of 1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:27.360 lying to police. So another year and a half goes 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:30.920 by before this trial even starts. It's November of twenty 1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:34.640 twenty one now, and authority, I think COVID stopped slowed 1:02:34.680 --> 1:02:36.760 his case down a lot. A lot of different things 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:39.720 were happening. Also, I think things are just fucking slow 1:02:39.760 --> 1:02:43.160 in real life. Authorities alleged that he paid the Ausendairo 1:02:43.240 --> 1:02:46.440 brothers to stage the attack to promote his career because 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:49.600 he was quote dissatisfied with his salary end quote on 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:52.880 Empire and he wanted to pump up his profile a 1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:55.680 little bit. I'll be honest, I didn't watch Empire, but 1:02:55.720 --> 1:02:57.600 I think a lot more people were talking about him. 1:02:57.520 --> 1:02:58.320 In those days. 1:02:58.680 --> 1:03:00.800 In that day, of January thirty, when his name was 1:03:00.800 --> 1:03:03.440 fucking everywhere. Sure, but why don't you write a pilot? 1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:06.120 You know, like, there's other ways. 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:11.760 There are ways to make yourself more valuable or get 1:03:11.800 --> 1:03:14.160 more fame or money if you're already on a show 1:03:14.200 --> 1:03:16.440 like Empire, outside of staging an. 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:19.120 Attack, Yeah, it's like, go date somebody famous. 1:03:19.200 --> 1:03:22.520 Yeah, like I don't know, Yah, get in there, you're hot, 1:03:22.120 --> 1:03:24.880 Go get with somebody. Have your publicists set up a 1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:27.560 fake relationship for two weeks, Like that'll help you both, 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:30.400 you know. So on December ninth of twenty twenty one, 1:03:30.480 --> 1:03:33.040 after one day of deliberation, a jury finds him guilty 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:35.440 of five of the six counts of disorderly conduct. I 1:03:35.480 --> 1:03:38.360 don't know if lying to the police counts under disorderly 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:40.560 conduct or whatever, but those are the counts I'm reading about. 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:43.080 So five out of the six he gets proved. 1:03:43.000 --> 1:03:47.120 Disorderly is like everything where they can't really put something 1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:48.120 on it, like you. 1:03:48.120 --> 1:03:51.680 Cause the mess, you made a scene. Yeah. 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:54.680 Each count of disorderly conduct is up to three years, 1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:58.120 so if served consecutively, that could be fifteen years in jail. 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:00.600 But given that he had a clean record, thought he'd 1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:04.280 get way less three months later, March of twenty twenty two, 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:07.280 he finally gets sentenced, and his sentence is one hundred 1:04:07.280 --> 1:04:10.880 and fifty days in jail. That is five months. That 1:04:11.040 --> 1:04:15.240 is like half a pregnancy. It's not that long. And 1:04:15.880 --> 1:04:19.120 he's got also tacked onto that thirty months of probation 1:04:19.280 --> 1:04:21.600 and a one hundred and forty five thousand dollars fine. 1:04:21.720 --> 1:04:24.320 So I don't know, it just sucky. He really thought 1:04:24.320 --> 1:04:26.400 he got away with it. And then you know Webby 1:04:26.480 --> 1:04:27.080 came to town. 1:04:27.360 --> 1:04:31.120 Yeah, and then the judge, James Lynn told him during sentencing, quote, 1:04:31.120 --> 1:04:33.560 You've turned your life upside down by your conduct and 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:36.680 shenanigans end quote. I just I like a judge bringing 1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:40.920 Shenanigans into the mix. And this dude is still sticking 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:43.880 to his story. He's not even saying I got caught 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:46.400 up in fame. I made a mistake. I thought this 1:04:46.400 --> 1:04:48.840 would be a social media stunt. Like I don't know, 1:04:48.840 --> 1:04:50.120 I feel like there were ways he could. 1:04:49.920 --> 1:04:51.720 Have like apologized. He's like, I'm innocent. 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:54.640 I was really attacked, and it's like, dude, what are 1:04:54.680 --> 1:04:58.360 you talking about. So when they took him out of 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:00.600 his sentencing, he put his fist in the a and yelled, 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:04.480 quote unquote, I am not suicidal. So he was trying 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:08.040 to portray, you know, a strong front. He was released 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:11.800 after six days from jail because he was appealing the verdict. 1:05:11.880 --> 1:05:13.760 I didn't realize that you just got to be out 1:05:13.840 --> 1:05:15.840 on appeal, but I think that probably depends on what 1:05:15.880 --> 1:05:19.040 your crime is or whatever. In the appeal, his lawyers 1:05:19.080 --> 1:05:22.320 tried to attack every single thing that happened. They were 1:05:22.360 --> 1:05:25.080 like they were trying to claim double jeopardy, saying that 1:05:25.120 --> 1:05:27.320 he got tried twice for the same crime, and it's like, no, 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:29.880 the first time the charges happened, he was never tried, 1:05:29.920 --> 1:05:33.480 there was no court, there was no official trial proceedings. 1:05:33.480 --> 1:05:36.360 That's not double jeopardy. And lawyers really should fucking know that. 1:05:36.640 --> 1:05:39.040 They were just trying to attack every single aspect of 1:05:39.080 --> 1:05:42.080 the case, and so unfortunately for them, it did not work. 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:43.680 The vote was two to one. 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:46.680 They argued this appeal in front of three judges and 1:05:46.760 --> 1:05:50.040 one judge did dissent, but his appeal was rejected. And 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:51.880 this was in December of twenty twenty three, so just 1:05:51.960 --> 1:05:56.000 last month, and his legal team said, quote, we are 1:05:56.000 --> 1:05:59.040 preparing to escalate this matter to the Illinois Supreme court 1:05:59.400 --> 1:06:02.280 armed with a sub stantial body of evidence end quote. 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:04.640 And at this point, I'm kind of like just finished 1:06:04.760 --> 1:06:07.120 through the five months. Man, you were sentenced two years ago. 1:06:07.200 --> 1:06:08.680 Like do it and get on with your life. I 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:11.400 don't know, Like I don't think any judges are going 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:14.080 to say that this proceed. Also, like he's not working 1:06:14.080 --> 1:06:16.680 on Empire anymore. How is he affording the fines that 1:06:16.720 --> 1:06:19.320 he's been getting and like endless appeals, you know, like 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:23.640 going up to the Supreme Court. Anyway, that's the whole story. 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:27.200 The Aesun Diiro brothers are really trying to work with 1:06:27.240 --> 1:06:31.520 their fifteen minutes of fame. In the spring of last year, 1:06:31.600 --> 1:06:34.040 of May of twenty twenty three, they released a five 1:06:34.120 --> 1:06:38.280 part docuseriies called Anatomy of a Hoax. And you know, 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:39.880 I love to do my research, and I would have 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:42.560 watched it. It's only available on Fox Nation, and I 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:44.680 love you guys, but I will not subscribe to Fox 1:06:44.760 --> 1:06:45.720 Nation for anyone. 1:06:46.120 --> 1:06:47.040 So I did not watch it. 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:49.520 But I did watch some of their promotional interviews they 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:52.960 were giving on like local Fox affiliates, and they said 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:55.480 that he wanted to be a poster child for activism. 1:06:56.000 --> 1:06:57.600 So it's like another thing. It's like a little bit 1:06:57.640 --> 1:06:59.600 of this is arrogance. It's like he didn't just want 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:02.240 to be more famous. He wanted to be like the 1:07:02.280 --> 1:07:05.640 face of a movement or something like you know, I'm 1:07:05.800 --> 1:07:09.000 like the strength of like you know, gay activism, like 1:07:09.160 --> 1:07:11.280 all this kind of stuff. And I think that that's 1:07:11.480 --> 1:07:13.840 like a little bit where he came up with this 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:16.080 wacky ass plan that fucking ruined his life. 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:18.880 Not one friend, not one person said I don't think 1:07:18.920 --> 1:07:20.560 this is a good idea, dude, Or do you think 1:07:20.600 --> 1:07:22.160 he only talked to the brothers. 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:24.720 I think he maybe only talked to the brothers as 1:07:24.760 --> 1:07:27.120 far as my research goes, Like I did not see 1:07:27.160 --> 1:07:29.120 a lot of stuff about witnesses being called or people 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:30.640 that said, oh yeah, he told me about this plan 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:33.000 or anything. I think that's why he's been able to 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:36.840 keep maintaining his innocence because the Brothers are the only ones. 1:07:36.920 --> 1:07:38.360 So it's like, well, what are you saying that the 1:07:38.360 --> 1:07:40.439 brothers attacked you and you couldn't tell that they were 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:42.880 black when they did that. There are two black men 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:45.120 from Nigeria, you thought you said they were white men? 1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:46.240 Like what is going on? 1:07:46.520 --> 1:07:49.280 Like it's just like you're caught, but it feels to 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:52.520 me like the performance that el Steven Taylor gives in 1:07:52.560 --> 1:07:56.480 this episode where mathis is just like all the evidence 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:58.000 is in front of him, but he's still. 1:07:57.760 --> 1:07:58.760 Like, no, something happened. 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:01.840 Something happened, and it's like like you just believe your 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:04.800 lie and to the death. I guess because like admitting 1:08:04.880 --> 1:08:07.800 fault is too difficult. I don't know, but these guys 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:12.439 basically telled these Fox DC reporters like or morning show hosts. 1:08:12.480 --> 1:08:15.400 Really is kind of what they were as they're promoting 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:18.840 their docuseriies that he just approached them in the gym 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:20.439 and was like, I want you guys to beat me up, 1:08:20.439 --> 1:08:21.720 and they were like what he was like, I want 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:22.680 you to fake beat me up? 1:08:22.720 --> 1:08:23.880 And they thought it was just going to be for 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:27.040 social media too, so whatever. 1:08:27.200 --> 1:08:29.760 I think they served some jail time as well, but 1:08:30.040 --> 1:08:33.120 they have a podcast so they just talk about current 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:35.320 events and sports, so you can enjoy that if you want. 1:08:35.479 --> 1:08:38.240 They're working on a book and a children's book, so 1:08:38.320 --> 1:08:41.439 if you've been dying to read a children's book to 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:44.160 your children authored by two men that were part of 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:47.280 a huge hoax, your time is coming soon. 1:08:47.320 --> 1:08:49.439 These men have a children's book coming out just a 1:08:49.479 --> 1:08:54.840 bunch of Bozo's clowns. Yeah, yeah, so far. 1:08:55.080 --> 1:08:57.120 I mean it's like the other thing, too, is like 1:08:57.360 --> 1:09:00.000 you could just like, if you want to be an activist. 1:09:00.000 --> 1:09:02.320 It's like, I'm sure you're getting hate on your Instagram. 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:05.280 You're an openly gay black man that's on television, go 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:07.560 like arrange some press shit where you go on and 1:09:07.560 --> 1:09:09.320 you talk about the hate you get on social media 1:09:09.560 --> 1:09:12.200 or like whatever. You know, like there's other ways that 1:09:12.240 --> 1:09:15.840 you can like where I'm sure you actually have been victimized. 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:18.200 I think this guy's just filled with bad ideas. 1:09:18.400 --> 1:09:20.840 I mean, yeah, for this to be the way to 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:23.040 get a little more attention is wild. 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:24.960 Get on cameo I don't like. 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:26.880 And that empire is going to give you more money 1:09:26.920 --> 1:09:29.040 based on like the fact that you've been attacked. 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:32.679 I don't know. That's weird. It's the worst idea. 1:09:32.840 --> 1:09:36.040 It's like when Elon Musk brought that like sync into Twitter, 1:09:36.160 --> 1:09:37.120 it was like, what's. 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:40.800 Going it's up there with that. Let's make a list 1:09:40.800 --> 1:09:44.679 of bad ideas. Those two things are on it for sure. 1:09:46.280 --> 1:09:50.559 But we have an amazing interview. I loved this interview 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:54.040 so much, so please stay right where you are and listen. 1:10:01.680 --> 1:10:05.439 Our guest today is a triple threat, an actor, a singer, 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:09.080 a dancer. He has been on so many great shows, 1:10:09.600 --> 1:10:13.519 Madam Secretary ncis the Good Five blue Bloods, but he 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:16.599 currently stars and has for many years in The Lion 1:10:16.720 --> 1:10:20.479 King on Broadway playing the role of Moufasa, and you 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:24.360 know him as Mathis Brooks, the pop star from this episode. 1:10:24.960 --> 1:10:31.040 Enjoy please our conversation with the very talented el Stephen Taylor. Well, listen, 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:31.839 let's start. 1:10:32.120 --> 1:10:37.360 Your character a fashionista, and I did look through your 1:10:37.400 --> 1:10:40.320 instagram and then I did stalk your girlfriend's and I 1:10:40.400 --> 1:10:45.519 really went in there. You're a fashion person in real 1:10:45.560 --> 1:10:49.519 life too. Did you bring that into your character? Did 1:10:49.520 --> 1:10:52.240 they have all that picked out? It looks like you 1:10:52.360 --> 1:10:55.040 like a hat? What's yeah? Tell me about all that. 1:10:55.000 --> 1:10:58.040 I do enjoy? And you know what's funny is they 1:10:58.080 --> 1:10:58.800 did the same thing. 1:10:58.960 --> 1:11:01.679 They actually when I got cast, they actually went through 1:11:01.680 --> 1:11:03.840 my Instagram and we're like, we're going to put you 1:11:03.880 --> 1:11:05.519 in stuff that we think that you already liked to 1:11:05.560 --> 1:11:07.920 wear anyway, So they like found me all these hats 1:11:07.960 --> 1:11:10.840 from Goren Brothers, which is like my favorite hatshop that 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:13.960 uh no, longer exists in many locations now. But they 1:11:14.280 --> 1:11:17.960 went through and UH just kind of gathered my style 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:20.679 and put that into the character. So I didn't really 1:11:20.720 --> 1:11:23.400 have to have much input. They just I mean, and 1:11:23.479 --> 1:11:26.599 it was some pretty expensive, expensive stuff. I don't do that. 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:31.200 I'm not really like a label queen. But but they, 1:11:31.320 --> 1:11:32.800 you know, like they went all out. 1:11:32.840 --> 1:11:33.639 They went all out. 1:11:33.880 --> 1:11:35.400 Did you take anything? 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:37.320 I wanted to so bad? 1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:38.360 I gotta. 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:39.599 I got a hat out of it. 1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:42.880 I got a hat out of it, okay, nice like 1:11:42.920 --> 1:11:44.160 an SPU had. 1:11:45.760 --> 1:11:49.120 Not like not like a Mathis brooks hot got it. 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:50.040 No, no, no. 1:11:50.479 --> 1:11:54.040 I took home some of the like the records and 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:56.400 like the little trophies that they had set up all 1:11:56.439 --> 1:11:57.519 over his apartment and stuff. 1:11:57.520 --> 1:11:58.760 They let me have some of that, so. 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:05.880 I like memento. So I like that. Well I see 1:12:05.920 --> 1:12:06.720 behind you that. 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:10.280 Yeah, stupid. 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:16.280 So many animals, well, I mean the animals obviously do 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:17.559 we stick toss to you or do we go to 1:12:17.600 --> 1:12:18.080 lion king? 1:12:18.280 --> 1:12:20.400 This is what I was gonna ask you, because when 1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:23.640 our podcast first started, we got a bunch of messages 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:26.240 from people that were like, you should book l Steven 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:29.320 Taylor on your podcast. They were people from the burlesque world, 1:12:29.360 --> 1:12:32.599 and they were like, he's huge in burlesque, and it 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:35.400 was burlesque girlies that were writing us, all kinds of people, 1:12:35.520 --> 1:12:37.720 and they we were like, oh cool, cool, and I 1:12:37.800 --> 1:12:39.679 like always had you on this list, like we got 1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:43.600 to get al Stephen Taylor and then and then I 1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:46.960 actually ended up going to see Lion King with my daughter, 1:12:47.000 --> 1:12:48.960 her first Broadway musical in April. 1:12:49.360 --> 1:12:50.679 Was I there you were? 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:51.320 You were moved on? 1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:54.479 Okay, Okay, I didn't know if I was took some 1:12:54.560 --> 1:12:56.800 time off in April, but I wish I would have 1:12:56.800 --> 1:12:57.439 known that I. 1:12:57.479 --> 1:12:59.760 Checked the program and everything, because we were like in 1:12:59.800 --> 1:13:02.040 the process of trying to like get you at that point. 1:13:02.120 --> 1:13:04.040 So I was like, that is totally there, he is. 1:13:04.439 --> 1:13:05.200 That is so funny. 1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:07.519 Yeah, and then I was just wondering, like, because you 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:10.040 seem to have this like very eclectic career, like you're 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:13.880 burlesque guy. You you're a Mufasa and the Lion King 1:13:14.160 --> 1:13:16.400 on and off, I guess, and then you but for 1:13:16.439 --> 1:13:18.640 a long time, and then now you're playing this like 1:13:18.800 --> 1:13:22.240 pop star who's dated Halsey and Arianna Gonde and is 1:13:22.320 --> 1:13:25.479 like this hog. So like I'm just interested in like 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:28.759 you know, tell us a little bit more about your 1:13:28.800 --> 1:13:30.080 background and everything. 1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:33.479 Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm sure that all the 1:13:33.520 --> 1:13:35.880 people that you talk to, like performers are kind of 1:13:35.960 --> 1:13:37.720 jack of all trades, and so it's like that's what 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:39.599 you you know, you kind of make your end up 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:42.679 making your living doing all sorts of things, but less 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:45.439 actually like I got into like as a just kind 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:48.559 of as a passion. My girlfriend and I or now 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:55.000 my fiance. Yeah, we met doing doing this big fundraiser 1:13:55.040 --> 1:13:57.920 for Broadway Care Sequity Fight says, called Broadway Bears, which 1:13:57.960 --> 1:14:00.680 is like a huge thing in the Broadway community and 1:14:00.720 --> 1:14:04.840 it's basically a big, hyperly overproduced like blessed show. 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:06.240 And we met doing that. 1:14:06.240 --> 1:14:08.160 We were the top two fundraisers, and she had already 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:10.800 dabbled in it, and I discovered it through her. 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:12.240 It just kind of fell in love. 1:14:12.280 --> 1:14:15.280 It's like there's this like old school art form that 1:14:15.520 --> 1:14:17.960 you know, it's like on the mostly performed on the 1:14:18.000 --> 1:14:21.040 Lower East Side, you know, of Manhattan's in New York, 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:24.000 in New York at least, but it's so different from 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:26.200 the characters that I get to play on stage and 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:28.519 on TV. So I found I found that and that 1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:31.200 just kind of just like quickly became like a passion 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:33.080 for me. But yeah, I've been doing linking for it 1:14:33.560 --> 1:14:35.240 on and off for the last eighteen years. 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:37.719 So yeah, so it's. 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:39.360 I mean, I've been moved foster for the last nine 1:14:39.720 --> 1:14:41.559 but yeah, I joined it eighteen years ago. 1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:45.840 You're like a very ageless person. Yeah, poll tell you it's. 1:14:45.760 --> 1:14:47.719 Like this gray, I feel like I have the filters 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:49.120 on the zoom, you know what I mean, you can't 1:14:49.120 --> 1:14:51.679 see the so you can't see the gray popping. 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:54.559 But yeah, I am getting my gray covered Friday. 1:14:55.680 --> 1:14:58.439 No, because like they had you play this character too, 1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:00.559 who was probably supposed to be like twenty four. 1:15:00.720 --> 1:15:02.559 I mean, like right, I think he's supposed to be 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:03.160 really young. 1:15:03.600 --> 1:15:05.400 He was supposed to be young, and it's I mean, 1:15:05.439 --> 1:15:07.960 it's interesting because it's like when I went in for it, 1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:12.000 my son was nineteen, So it's like it's like he 1:15:12.040 --> 1:15:13.280 should have been planted it, you know what I mean. 1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:14.800 That's what I was thinking when I was watching it, 1:15:14.840 --> 1:15:17.040 because you had told us my son's graduating high school, 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:18.280 and when I was watching it, I was like I 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:19.559 cannot or maybe college? 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:21.160 Was it college? At your son just graduated? 1:15:21.160 --> 1:15:22.320 He graduated college? Yeah? 1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:23.920 Yeah, and I was like, I can't believe this guy 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:26.000 I'm watching as a college age kid because you just 1:15:26.040 --> 1:15:28.200 like look like a teen heart throb. 1:15:28.640 --> 1:15:31.040 Oh well, thank you. The camera's crazy. 1:15:31.439 --> 1:15:33.360 But well, this is what I wanted to ask you too, 1:15:33.479 --> 1:15:35.200 Like tell us about the process of going in for 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:37.240 this s few because you'd obviously been on Broadway for 1:15:37.280 --> 1:15:37.960 eighteen years. 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:40.920 I'm you'd probably auditioned for s for you before, right. 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:42.200 I had. 1:15:42.280 --> 1:15:45.200 But you know, the first time that I auditioned for 1:15:45.400 --> 1:15:49.000 su I was like in my actual early twenties, and 1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:50.960 it was I mean, it was wrong. It's like as 1:15:50.960 --> 1:15:52.840 soon as I flashed sea, like I was getting called 1:15:52.880 --> 1:15:54.960 in for a lot of like you know, like the 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:57.479 thugs that you know, the guys who did it and 1:15:57.600 --> 1:15:59.559 you know, those kinds of those kinds of roles. But 1:15:59.600 --> 1:16:02.439 it's like as soon as I smile, it's like, I'm 1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:05.040 completely not that guy, or at least not what they 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:05.439 want for. 1:16:05.400 --> 1:16:06.800 Those particular shows. 1:16:06.920 --> 1:16:10.720 So this role came up many years later, and I 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:12.680 didn't do like the first round of auditions, like when 1:16:12.720 --> 1:16:14.640 they called me in, which I didn't know that they 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:17.320 had already been auditioned in the role. But I went 1:16:17.360 --> 1:16:20.640 in and it was already the network audition, so you know, everybody, 1:16:20.760 --> 1:16:22.920 all the suits were there, you know, everybody was there. 1:16:23.000 --> 1:16:26.680 To the bus Field who died, who directed, it was 1:16:26.920 --> 1:16:30.759 just there. And I mean his directing style is so crazy. 1:16:30.760 --> 1:16:32.960 And we did some of this in the audition. I 1:16:33.000 --> 1:16:35.519 didn't know that was going to carry on to two set. 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:38.519 But he likes to improv a lot, so it's like, 1:16:38.680 --> 1:16:40.800 you know, spent all this time with the script for this, 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:42.640 you know, for this audition that's like and it was 1:16:42.680 --> 1:16:46.080 the hospital scene. It was the hospital scene that we 1:16:46.120 --> 1:16:48.960 auditioned with, and we ended up just kind of like 1:16:49.040 --> 1:16:52.680 improving my entire audition. So it was terrifying because I 1:16:52.720 --> 1:16:55.400 hate that so type A. It's like, let me be 1:16:55.439 --> 1:16:58.080 in control with everything. But it ended up being it 1:16:58.120 --> 1:17:00.439 was a really really cool experience, and then I got 1:17:00.439 --> 1:17:01.639 the call like a couple of days later. 1:17:02.080 --> 1:17:02.800 That's so cool. 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:05.720 Timothy Bussfield is actually an actor that was in an 1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:08.240 SVU episode that we just covered a few weeks ago, 1:17:08.840 --> 1:17:12.200 Russian Brides. He's the guy whose girlfriend gets you know, 1:17:12.320 --> 1:17:15.280 kidnapped or whatever. So yeah, so I bet he likes 1:17:15.320 --> 1:17:17.240 to improve because he's also like an actor and he's 1:17:17.280 --> 1:17:18.879 like let's just see how we feel. 1:17:19.240 --> 1:17:21.920 But it also is that's rare for SVU. You're the 1:17:21.960 --> 1:17:24.800 first person we've heard that from. Everyone says, it's like 1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:26.559 very fast and you got to you gotta get in 1:17:26.600 --> 1:17:29.240 and get out and just be on your mark, and 1:17:29.360 --> 1:17:31.439 so this is pretty this is new. 1:17:31.720 --> 1:17:32.280 Yeah, it was. 1:17:32.320 --> 1:17:32.559 It was. 1:17:32.600 --> 1:17:34.479 It was wild, and like I said, I didn't and 1:17:34.520 --> 1:17:36.320 I had heard that as well, so I didn't expect 1:17:36.320 --> 1:17:38.640 that to carry on into the episode. 1:17:38.960 --> 1:17:41.640 But I mean, we improved the interview. 1:17:41.720 --> 1:17:44.280 It was very much like he was being Oprah Winfrey 1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:46.719 and I was sitting there and none of the questions 1:17:46.720 --> 1:17:48.680 were on the page, Like we just chatted for at 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:50.640 least like a good fifteen minutes and we were just 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:52.799 going like an actual interview. 1:17:52.920 --> 1:17:54.000 So that was really cool. 1:17:54.400 --> 1:17:57.840 Well, speaking of the hospital scene, so someone told us 1:17:57.880 --> 1:18:01.240 that in the makeup and hair trailer there like Iced 1:18:01.320 --> 1:18:06.280 Tea's rules of acting, and one of the rules is 1:18:07.320 --> 1:18:09.760 don't stand if you can sit, don't sit if you 1:18:09.760 --> 1:18:12.000 can lay down. And I did like seeing you lay 1:18:12.040 --> 1:18:13.720 down in the hospital bed talk to Iced Tea, and 1:18:13.760 --> 1:18:15.240 I bet he was proud of you that day. 1:18:15.560 --> 1:18:17.040 You know, I did. I did. 1:18:17.080 --> 1:18:18.840 I was not aware of that I'm glad that I 1:18:18.840 --> 1:18:21.280 did him proud though, But it's interesting. You know, it 1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:23.240 was like you shoot this, you shoot these things like 1:18:23.280 --> 1:18:25.920 completely out of sequence and stuff, and it's like, you know, 1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:29.880 this character like essentially just got raped, so he can't 1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:31.720 really sit down, you know what I mean. So it 1:18:31.880 --> 1:18:34.760 was like there was that whole thing going into that. Yeah, 1:18:34.800 --> 1:18:36.840 it was intense. It was intense, So I'm glad I 1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:37.519 was laying down too. 1:18:37.720 --> 1:18:39.439 Yeah, And like I spent a lot of time with 1:18:39.640 --> 1:18:42.320 Iced Tea. I feel icya heavy episode. 1:18:42.840 --> 1:18:46.519 Yeah, it was, And he's super cool and you know, 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:49.240 off camera, like we chatted. 1:18:48.920 --> 1:18:52.080 About his uh uh. I mean, I'm a big fan of. 1:18:52.000 --> 1:18:54.320 His music obviously, so we talked about you know, him 1:18:54.320 --> 1:18:56.479 touring and like you know and all this stuff. 1:18:56.520 --> 1:18:58.280 So everybody on set. 1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:01.800 Was I didn't know what to expect, but everybody was 1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:05.200 so warm and welcoming and just like just completely cool. 1:19:05.640 --> 1:19:07.679 No problems with me, That's awesome. 1:19:07.760 --> 1:19:11.360 Problems. Yeah, I mean Marishka tails. 1:19:12.080 --> 1:19:13.320 Honestly, I was most nervous. 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:15.559 I mean I'm sure like most people are most nervous 1:19:15.600 --> 1:19:17.479 to work with her, but I mean she came in 1:19:17.520 --> 1:19:19.040 and she was like I heard dream Lion King. 1:19:19.160 --> 1:19:21.280 I just went to Lion King. I know this person. 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:24.000 I know that person, like she's a Broadway baby, she 1:19:24.080 --> 1:19:24.919 loves Broadway. 1:19:25.400 --> 1:19:27.360 Yeah, she was, you know, naming all these people. 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:30.519 We had like so many friends in common, and like 1:19:30.560 --> 1:19:32.360 one of my friends was like, you gotta get a 1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:34.920 picture with Mariska And I was like, this is so weird, 1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:36.880 Like I don't know, like I'm in a hospital like 1:19:37.160 --> 1:19:39.679 hospital gown with like you know these things. I don't 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:41.200 want to ask her for one. And she was like 1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:42.479 do you want to get a picture? Like can we 1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:44.519 get a picture together? And I was like can. We 1:19:45.040 --> 1:19:47.800 literally crawled in the hospital bed with me. So it 1:19:47.920 --> 1:19:49.840 was like it was so help I was like. 1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:50.360 I love it. 1:19:50.600 --> 1:19:52.200 Risk is in my bed. 1:19:53.640 --> 1:19:57.479 You're like spooning with Olivia Benson. Not so fun. 1:19:57.680 --> 1:19:59.840 I know, it's so crazy. 1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:02.960 Ah yeah, because I was gonna ask about that like 1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:04.479 lineup scene where you're like. 1:20:06.040 --> 1:20:07.040 I guess it's number three. 1:20:07.240 --> 1:20:09.040 No wait, like because that's you got like all the 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:10.960 heavy hitters in the room with you. They're all like 1:20:11.040 --> 1:20:13.920 right behind you, Like how was shooting that? 1:20:14.320 --> 1:20:16.519 I mean that was wild too, you know what I mean? 1:20:16.520 --> 1:20:17.519 Because it's like all of it. 1:20:17.600 --> 1:20:20.559 I feel like you tread this really thin line of 1:20:20.720 --> 1:20:24.680 trying to over characterize the actual situation itself. And I 1:20:24.680 --> 1:20:26.120 mean I spent a lot of time and I'm sure 1:20:26.240 --> 1:20:28.040 we'll get to that, but spent a lot of time 1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:31.439 like watching all the Jesse Smilette stuff like going you know, 1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:33.800 going into that, and it's like I just didn't want 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:36.120 it to be a caricature. And that's what it kept, 1:20:36.479 --> 1:20:38.120 you know, Like I was like, I feel like we're 1:20:38.160 --> 1:20:40.960 walking a really thin line here, but it's like, you know, 1:20:41.120 --> 1:20:43.280 all this stuff is happening. And then of course it 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:46.679 was like super intimidating with like everybody in the room there, 1:20:47.000 --> 1:20:48.960 you know, and doing that particular scene, it was like, no, 1:20:49.040 --> 1:20:51.479 it's this went and no it's out and it's and 1:20:51.520 --> 1:20:54.800 there's the script how that scene was written. It's like 1:20:55.080 --> 1:20:58.200 these particular numbers in this particular order and has to 1:20:58.240 --> 1:21:00.439 be this particular way. So it was just it seemed 1:21:00.520 --> 1:21:02.800 random but very specific at the same time. So I 1:21:02.880 --> 1:21:05.040 was like, there's just a lot going on. So it 1:21:05.120 --> 1:21:09.679 was intimidating filming that. That was probably the most intimidating scene. Yeah, 1:21:09.760 --> 1:21:11.400 I bet, you know, it just kind of felt like 1:21:11.439 --> 1:21:14.479 I was being kind of like a caricature of what 1:21:14.479 --> 1:21:15.519 the situation called for. 1:21:15.680 --> 1:21:17.439 It's like I didn't get that. Well, no, I hear 1:21:17.479 --> 1:21:18.120 what you're saying. 1:21:18.160 --> 1:21:20.360 And I actually didn't get that, but I hear what 1:21:20.360 --> 1:21:24.280 you're saying, because like it could easily be that way, 1:21:24.280 --> 1:21:26.800 but I thought you kept it really ambiguous. 1:21:26.840 --> 1:21:28.840 Like I was like, does this guy know he's lying? 1:21:29.000 --> 1:21:30.960 Like there's like the part where ic Tea comes out 1:21:30.960 --> 1:21:33.559 and goes, he really believes this happened. Like you did 1:21:33.560 --> 1:21:35.479 a really good job I think of not turning it 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:37.679 into a cartoon at all, because I was like, does 1:21:37.720 --> 1:21:38.280 this guy. 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:39.200 Know he did anything wrong? 1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:41.800 Like he's pretty positive that he's done the right thing 1:21:41.880 --> 1:21:46.120 here on multiple levels, you know. Like so I thought 1:21:46.160 --> 1:21:48.160 that was a really interesting part of this episode. 1:21:48.200 --> 1:21:51.760 I'm not are really emotional scenes too, I'm with Cara 1:21:51.880 --> 1:21:54.320 where I didn't even though I've seen it a bunch 1:21:54.320 --> 1:21:57.240 of times. I kept going back and forth on how 1:21:57.240 --> 1:21:58.360 I felt, Yeah. 1:21:58.200 --> 1:21:59.840 Cause it was like do we hate this guy or 1:21:59.880 --> 1:22:01.439 do we like this guy? Like it sounds like he 1:22:01.479 --> 1:22:03.479 made something up. But also like at the end when 1:22:04.040 --> 1:22:06.960 I think Careesi goes, something did happen to you? Like 1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:08.640 so it's like we do think this guy is a 1:22:08.720 --> 1:22:12.440 victim in some way, and a victim of like stardom 1:22:12.520 --> 1:22:14.880 and trying to come out in a world that might 1:22:14.920 --> 1:22:16.760 not accept that the way he wants. And you know, 1:22:16.800 --> 1:22:19.080 there was like a lot of levels and layers to it. 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:21.360 I thought, thank you for that, because I feel like 1:22:21.400 --> 1:22:23.080 it is and I mean, that's what I want to 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:26.320 going into it, like it is layered, because I feel 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:29.759 like the situation itself, it's just a really real situation, 1:22:29.880 --> 1:22:32.559 especially in the black community. It's like, especially black men 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:35.599 who grew up in the church, which is most of us, right, 1:22:36.200 --> 1:22:39.360 homosexuality and like gay anything, you know what I mean, 1:22:39.479 --> 1:22:41.800 Like even if it's not gay, if it's just affiliated 1:22:41.840 --> 1:22:44.760 with being anything other than the man's. 1:22:44.479 --> 1:22:46.160 Man is very found upon. 1:22:46.439 --> 1:22:48.360 And so as a result, you do have a lot 1:22:48.400 --> 1:22:50.519 of black men who are living in you know, who 1:22:50.520 --> 1:22:52.879 are living in the closet, and you know, have experienced 1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:55.439 things that they haven't talked about, and that does kind 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:58.000 of bleed into what the truth of all of these 1:22:58.040 --> 1:23:00.000 situations kind of end up being, you know what I mean. 1:23:00.000 --> 1:23:02.360 And so I think that he probably did kind of 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:07.400 you know, feel like he deserved a time to be 1:23:07.560 --> 1:23:10.200 the victim that maybe he didn't feel like he had 1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:14.040 the opportunity to experience what that was and getting empathy 1:23:14.040 --> 1:23:15.920 from people, and that kind of led into what this 1:23:16.000 --> 1:23:17.439 situation was, you know what I mean. 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:21.800 Yeah, what did your research on Jesse Smollett? How did 1:23:21.800 --> 1:23:24.800 it inform your performance an episode? What you used or not, 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:26.559 or how you felt about it, you know, kind of 1:23:26.560 --> 1:23:27.680 whatever you want to comment on. 1:23:28.080 --> 1:23:30.439 I tried to take his situation for what it was. 1:23:30.520 --> 1:23:33.439 It would have been really easy to do what I 1:23:33.439 --> 1:23:35.519 feel like he did, which was, like you know, when 1:23:35.560 --> 1:23:38.600 he made his News Round and like all of those cycles, 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:41.800 I think that he didn't do himself like any kind 1:23:41.800 --> 1:23:43.599 of favors, And there is a little bit of that 1:23:43.680 --> 1:23:48.080 also in Mathis, But I feel like Jesse was already 1:23:48.560 --> 1:23:51.480 like his motives for it, I feel like were completely 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:55.720 fame based him, kind of like doing something that he 1:23:55.760 --> 1:23:58.000 thought was going to give him more clout in the 1:23:58.040 --> 1:24:00.320 black community, the gay community, the political sphere. 1:24:00.520 --> 1:24:01.080 Like whatever. 1:24:01.439 --> 1:24:04.920 I think math Is kind of got caught up in 1:24:05.080 --> 1:24:09.080 the idea of oh shit, I'm going to be outed. 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:10.960 You know, he grew up in the church, like all 1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:12.479 of these things. I think it came out of more 1:24:12.520 --> 1:24:15.840 of a fear his thing. So it's like trying to 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:18.080 straddle the line of like, you know, I know where 1:24:18.160 --> 1:24:20.600 this where this source material is coming from. But it's like, 1:24:20.720 --> 1:24:23.600 I don't think that they are the same. I think that, 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:25.720 you know, like there are similarities, but I don't think 1:24:25.760 --> 1:24:28.120 that they are the same. So we can't play exactly 1:24:28.200 --> 1:24:30.280 the same because I feel like Jesse did it for 1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:32.559 fame and Mathis did it out of fear. 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:34.360 That just kind of spiral out of control. 1:24:34.960 --> 1:24:36.880 Yeah, it's like a really great example of how the 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:40.559 show does just sort of tweak a real story because, yeah, 1:24:40.640 --> 1:24:44.280 Jesse Small it was out years before his thing happened, 1:24:44.280 --> 1:24:47.920 so it's a different story, but there are similarities, and 1:24:48.560 --> 1:24:51.400 you're right, it's like the motivations I think were very 1:24:51.439 --> 1:24:53.040 different of these two people. 1:24:53.280 --> 1:24:55.000 Yeah, did you watch the episode? 1:24:55.720 --> 1:24:59.280 I did watch it. It's always weird watching yourself back. 1:24:59.360 --> 1:25:01.360 I just had such a good experience and it just 1:25:01.360 --> 1:25:03.639 feels like, I mean, it feels like when I watched 1:25:03.640 --> 1:25:05.080 it back, and I watched it because I hadn't I 1:25:05.120 --> 1:25:07.200 hadn't watched it in a long time, and I watched 1:25:07.200 --> 1:25:08.880 it like a couple of days ago just to kind 1:25:08.880 --> 1:25:11.200 of refresh my memory on this, and it was a 1:25:11.280 --> 1:25:13.240 really good time and like a lot of my friends 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:14.760 were on there too, you know what I mean. So 1:25:14.800 --> 1:25:16.880 it's like people in the Broadway community were also in 1:25:16.920 --> 1:25:20.639 the show as well, Timothy and Curtis Armstrong actually, who 1:25:20.680 --> 1:25:21.839 played like my manager. 1:25:22.560 --> 1:25:24.800 Yeah, you know they did Revenge of the Nerds together. 1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:27.479 Yes, Oh my gosh, I didn't know Timothy was in that. 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:29.160 I knew your manager was in it. 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:29.920 Oh my god. 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:31.880 Yeah, he played Poindet sir. 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:33.960 So it was like I was geeking out over that, 1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:36.680 and it was like, you know, kind of reliving all 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:38.320 the things I made them do the Revenge of the 1:25:38.320 --> 1:25:41.240 Nerds rack with me, like in the car, like while 1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:43.760 we were going while we were going to location. So yeah, 1:25:43.760 --> 1:25:45.720 I watched the episode. There's some things that I would 1:25:45.760 --> 1:25:48.639 do differently. Yeah, I mean, I was happy with the overall. 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:51.320 I feel like there was like an ap article that 1:25:51.400 --> 1:25:54.519 came out after the episode aired and it talked about 1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:57.400 how nuanced the show was, and that is I mean, 1:25:57.439 --> 1:25:59.519 I feel like that's a you know, testament to the 1:25:59.560 --> 1:26:01.360 writers as the writers as well. 1:26:01.400 --> 1:26:03.120 But that's the. 1:26:03.120 --> 1:26:05.000 Thing that I'm most proud of is I feel like 1:26:05.040 --> 1:26:07.479 it was kind of nuance and we didn't lean into 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:10.680 just kind of over dramatizing what this very real situation is. 1:26:10.760 --> 1:26:10.960 You know. 1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:18.240 Yeah, now I'm gonna change directions here. Yeah, through my 1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:22.080 stocking on the internet, I did see it seems like 1:26:22.080 --> 1:26:22.839 you love Disney. 1:26:26.200 --> 1:26:29.080 Listen. I wouldn't say that I'm a true Disney adult. 1:26:29.200 --> 1:26:33.600 They were coordinated outfits. There is a coordinate outfit for 1:26:33.680 --> 1:26:35.240 every day that you were there. 1:26:35.560 --> 1:26:37.240 And I'm about to go there. It's going to be 1:26:37.280 --> 1:26:38.880 worse this year, so I go there. 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:41.880 I went there last year for the Festival the Arts, 1:26:41.960 --> 1:26:44.479 which is like this thing that happens over three months 1:26:44.520 --> 1:26:47.080 at Cot. One of the things that they do is 1:26:47.120 --> 1:26:51.200 this Disney on Broadway concert series and last year was 1:26:51.240 --> 1:26:52.479 my first time doing it. But I don't know if 1:26:52.520 --> 1:26:55.920 you guys know what Disney bounding is, but that is 1:26:56.000 --> 1:27:00.439 when like you dress in the suggestion of a Disney character. 1:27:00.560 --> 1:27:02.160 I mean, when you go there, now that you know 1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:04.920 about it, like you'll see like when you go you'll see, oh, 1:27:05.040 --> 1:27:07.679 this color scheme that's given me very Lilo and Stitch. 1:27:07.760 --> 1:27:09.960 Oh oh, that's definitely a Mickey and Minnie. You know. 1:27:10.280 --> 1:27:14.120 So my fiance is a big nerd and like you 1:27:14.479 --> 1:27:16.880 saw that, we love fashion and stuff. So she wanted 1:27:16.920 --> 1:27:19.040 to bound every day and she kind of made me 1:27:19.080 --> 1:27:19.559 do it. 1:27:19.800 --> 1:27:20.679 Last last time. 1:27:20.840 --> 1:27:23.040 But now I'm we're packing for it right now, and 1:27:23.080 --> 1:27:26.400 there's like it's it's stupid. There's there's too much going 1:27:26.479 --> 1:27:28.200 on it, so just wait. 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:31.720 Do you get to choose the outfits or is it 1:27:31.760 --> 1:27:34.080 mostly or fiance It picks the character or the character, 1:27:34.160 --> 1:27:35.639 like are you like, oh I really want this one 1:27:35.680 --> 1:27:35.880 or not? 1:27:36.040 --> 1:27:38.280 In regular life, like we coordinate, like that's our thing 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:41.120 is like we coordinate all of our outfits, which is 1:27:41.240 --> 1:27:44.960 a little gross, but for this, yeah, she kind of 1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:47.519 it's these things and so then I go and get 1:27:47.520 --> 1:27:48.519 the outfit for I'm going to. 1:27:48.520 --> 1:27:50.040 Play this character. So you're going to play this character. 1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:51.559 D d dada dada. So we do it that way. 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:54.599 So yeah, she does most of the coordinating and then 1:27:54.680 --> 1:27:57.360 I just kind of follow along for this because. 1:27:57.120 --> 1:27:58.400 You go deep, I mean, Kara. 1:27:58.640 --> 1:28:03.400 They were the Hummingbird and Raccoon from Pocahontas. 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:11.920 Whoa deep guys, she's an Instagram detective for sure. Well 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:14.240 it was also they were all really good and excited. 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:17.160 I liked looking at it, you know, it was it 1:28:17.200 --> 1:28:17.599 was cool. 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:20.960 Yeah, we're doing buzz light Year and the Aliens from 1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:25.559 the End of Aliens. This year we're doing, Uh, I 1:28:25.600 --> 1:28:29.880 am Princess Tiana and she's going as I don't I 1:28:29.920 --> 1:28:33.200 can't remember who she's going as for from Princess and 1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:33.519 the Frog. 1:28:33.600 --> 1:28:34.800 But yeah, we're going we're going deeper. 1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:37.559 So like the bounding thing is like your outfit will 1:28:37.600 --> 1:28:39.519 like be giving buzz light year, but it's not like 1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:40.840 a buzz light your costume. 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:41.759 Yeah. 1:28:42.000 --> 1:28:43.719 Correct, Well I just learned a fact. 1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:45.760 You're not allowed to as an adult dress as a 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:47.559 character because you might confuse children. 1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:49.920 Oh got it, yeah, correct, Yeah, it has to be 1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:55.320 a little nod. Yeah, just a nod. Love that. Yeah. 1:28:55.360 --> 1:28:57.519 And so are you performing every night when you're doing 1:28:57.560 --> 1:28:59.000 that or you're just going for fun? 1:28:59.280 --> 1:29:02.120 I performed two days on and then like two days off. 1:29:02.120 --> 1:29:06.160 We alternate with two other couples. This year, I'm doing 1:29:06.160 --> 1:29:08.679 it with Ashley Brown, who was the original Mary Poppins 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:11.160 on Broadway. So we're a duet and we have like 1:29:11.240 --> 1:29:13.880 a cycle of forty minutes that we do three times 1:29:13.880 --> 1:29:15.960 a day, two days on and like two days off. 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:18.360 So and then when we're not performing, then we are 1:29:18.439 --> 1:29:19.000 in the parts. 1:29:19.200 --> 1:29:21.720 Do you have a VIP bracelet or what like, do 1:29:21.720 --> 1:29:22.559 you have to wait in line? 1:29:22.760 --> 1:29:30.120 It's no, it's kind of it's kind of embarrassing, honestly 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:32.679 because it's like they do give you this VIP guide 1:29:32.680 --> 1:29:34.880 and you know they'll shut down the ride, like if 1:29:35.160 --> 1:29:37.679 I'm sure that there are certain people like if Beyonce goes, 1:29:37.720 --> 1:29:39.160 you know what I mean, they got it, like you know, 1:29:39.320 --> 1:29:41.000 scooter her through the pack and then like shut down 1:29:41.040 --> 1:29:43.840 the ride and she goes. But it's we have that 1:29:43.960 --> 1:29:46.880 kind of access. It's a completely different experience if you've 1:29:46.880 --> 1:29:48.639 never done that and I learned. 1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:50.599 I don't know how closer this is or not. 1:29:50.760 --> 1:29:55.400 But there's like Facebook groups of like families who get 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:57.679 together and they're like we're gonna we're like a family 1:29:57.720 --> 1:30:00.160 of three and we're a family of four. So if 1:30:00.200 --> 1:30:02.599 anybody wants to go, have these on like a VIP guide, 1:30:02.640 --> 1:30:05.760 because it just makes the experience like completely different. Yeah, 1:30:06.160 --> 1:30:08.280 just FYI if you guys ever go there. 1:30:08.360 --> 1:30:10.519 And then sorry to take it away from Disney, but 1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:14.000 you recently performed at Carnegie Hall. I saw on your Instagram. 1:30:14.479 --> 1:30:15.680 That's exciting. 1:30:15.760 --> 1:30:16.200 Yeah. 1:30:16.280 --> 1:30:18.240 I host this show twice a year. 1:30:18.400 --> 1:30:21.320 So my background is in early childhood education, top pre 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:22.400 school for three years. 1:30:22.520 --> 1:30:23.600 Back in Indiana. 1:30:23.800 --> 1:30:26.479 So this is like melding all of the worlds because 1:30:26.520 --> 1:30:29.640 there's this wonderful program at Carnegie Hall called Musical Explorers, 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:33.800 and they bring in three like major artists that play 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:36.880 completely different styles of music, and I'm the host of 1:30:36.880 --> 1:30:37.360 the concert. 1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:40.879 I mean it's four kids. Like this year we had this. 1:30:40.920 --> 1:30:44.680 Guy Kialani from Hawaii has like three Grammys, this guy 1:30:44.760 --> 1:30:47.240 who's an Iraqi folks singer, and then a guy who 1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:50.840 plays Dominican roots music who's also like a Grammy Award winner. 1:30:50.920 --> 1:30:53.960 So and then just talk about how music, you know, 1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:56.760 music connects all these cultures and stuff like that. 1:30:56.800 --> 1:30:59.439 So yeah, I do that twice a year. So that's 1:30:59.479 --> 1:30:59.880 ready though. 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:02.240 And you hosted do you also sing a little bit? 1:31:02.320 --> 1:31:03.280 Or yeah I do? 1:31:03.439 --> 1:31:05.680 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 1:31:05.720 --> 1:31:08.479 And you did The Electric Company, like forty plus episodes 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:11.000 of The Electric Company. That makes sense, right then that's 1:31:11.040 --> 1:31:13.840 your childhood education stuff all coming together. 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:17.360 The dig Indeed, yeah, I didn't really do I didn't 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:19.639 really do too much of that. It's like, I don't 1:31:19.640 --> 1:31:22.200 know if you guys watched that particular show, but it 1:31:22.240 --> 1:31:24.479 was a reboot of the original, so they kind of 1:31:24.520 --> 1:31:27.439 had like a different little theme where it's like these 1:31:28.080 --> 1:31:30.400 kids were part of the electric company and their hangout 1:31:30.520 --> 1:31:32.559 was the Electric Diner. One of my kids was in 1:31:32.600 --> 1:31:34.679 the electric company and I owned the Electric Diner, which 1:31:34.680 --> 1:31:36.960 was their hangout. But it was really cool they you know, 1:31:37.120 --> 1:31:39.519 that was like on the lin Manuel was like really 1:31:39.520 --> 1:31:41.080 striking a hot So he was one of the writers 1:31:41.080 --> 1:31:42.000 with Chris Jackson. 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:44.200 Who are you know, he's a friend as well, so. 1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:46.280 They made it cool to learn, you know what I mean, 1:31:46.360 --> 1:31:48.720 like they were doing yeah right, yeah, yeah, no. 1:31:48.960 --> 1:31:51.759 Lin Manuel's behind like three of the PBS kids shows 1:31:51.760 --> 1:31:53.960 that my friend that my that my kids watch, that 1:31:54.040 --> 1:31:56.559 my friends watched them. They're my friends that I had them. 1:31:58.160 --> 1:32:00.960 He's like everywhere. You can't escape lin Manuel. 1:32:01.320 --> 1:32:04.679 Nah, you can't turn on the TV without seeing his name. 1:32:04.880 --> 1:32:05.240 Kudos. 1:32:05.640 --> 1:32:09.960 I love how this went from from Law and Order 1:32:10.120 --> 1:32:14.840 SPU to the most like the most Innocent of Innocence 1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:16.120 and PVS kids shows. 1:32:16.160 --> 1:32:18.639 It's like we're a spectrum here on the show. 1:32:18.800 --> 1:32:21.280 I'm on, Arthur, that's a full soircle moment, you know 1:32:21.320 --> 1:32:21.680 what I mean. 1:32:21.800 --> 1:32:25.640 Yeah, innocence taken to innocence draft Yeah. 1:32:25.360 --> 1:32:28.720 Yes, yeah, no, Indie, I mean that's kind of like 1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:31.600 it is so funny to me, Like mursh Cargata is 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:33.920 such a big Broadway person, and she gets all these 1:32:33.920 --> 1:32:35.840 Broadway people on the show. So all these people like 1:32:36.160 --> 1:32:38.320 by Day or just like in The Music Man or 1:32:38.400 --> 1:32:39.439 Lion King or these. 1:32:39.320 --> 1:32:40.600 Like feel good musicals. 1:32:40.600 --> 1:32:42.160 And then it's like, come on the show and be 1:32:42.200 --> 1:32:45.280 a victim, you know, come on the show, like you know. 1:32:45.320 --> 1:32:46.920 It's like and you you kind of feel like it's 1:32:46.960 --> 1:32:49.120 it's I mean, for the longest time, it's like been 1:32:49.160 --> 1:32:51.120 the right of passages. Like you're not a real New 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:53.519 York actor until you do yeah, a Law and Order. 1:32:53.560 --> 1:32:55.599 So I was like, maybe I'm not a real New 1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:59.120 York actor for being here for a nineteen years. 1:32:59.320 --> 1:33:02.040 Well you waited for the right moment because you got 1:33:02.040 --> 1:33:03.920 this big episode where you're the star. 1:33:04.240 --> 1:33:06.519 You know, like you're in like almost every scene. It 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:07.400 feels like, so. 1:33:07.720 --> 1:33:09.479 You know, and it was dope, and we recorded a 1:33:09.520 --> 1:33:12.200 song that was cool. They wrote a song. I really 1:33:12.200 --> 1:33:15.080 love how immersive they made it. And they made mathis 1:33:15.080 --> 1:33:18.120 like this because he's annoying. Really like, I feel like 1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:20.080 even if none of this would happen, like he would 1:33:20.080 --> 1:33:22.160 be like the kind of person that you cringe, like, 1:33:22.200 --> 1:33:24.200 did you cringe at anyway he's doing. 1:33:24.560 --> 1:33:27.439 He's doing a front facing video from his hospital back. 1:33:27.360 --> 1:33:28.320 From his hospital back. 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:31.920 Yeah, so he's super cringe And they made this Twitter 1:33:32.240 --> 1:33:36.519 account for Mathis and he does these hashtag hashtag math 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:39.360 facts is what it's called, and it's like these little 1:33:39.400 --> 1:33:41.880 tidbits that he you know, that he drops and it's 1:33:42.080 --> 1:33:43.960 like but they made it super immersive. 1:33:44.080 --> 1:33:46.599 It was a really fun episode to do. 1:33:46.760 --> 1:33:48.640 I mean it's kind of rare that we get to 1:33:49.200 --> 1:33:52.320 do stuff that kind of goes the gambit of like 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:53.559 like everything that we could do. 1:33:53.600 --> 1:33:55.679 I got to sing, you know, I got those dramatic scenes. 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:58.000 I got to you know, chop it up with iced tea, 1:33:58.360 --> 1:34:00.479 you know what I mean, and then hang out Murska 1:34:00.479 --> 1:34:01.639 Hargate in the hospital bed. 1:34:01.640 --> 1:34:03.080 It's like, doesn't get better than that. 1:34:03.240 --> 1:34:06.559 Yeah, do you have anything going on right now that 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:08.840 you want our listeners to check out or anything? 1:34:09.120 --> 1:34:11.120 Or now that the strike is over, we're just kind 1:34:11.120 --> 1:34:11.519 of back. 1:34:11.560 --> 1:34:13.880 I had a lot of things like in the in 1:34:13.920 --> 1:34:16.680 the works, like right before the pandemic hit and then 1:34:17.120 --> 1:34:18.800 it's just kind of been a series of things. So 1:34:19.240 --> 1:34:22.720 just kind of getting I'm getting married in April, Yeah, 1:34:22.880 --> 1:34:24.879 in New York. Yeah, we're getting married in Brooklyn. 1:34:25.000 --> 1:34:26.600 Did you propose in Disneyland? 1:34:27.600 --> 1:34:28.520 I did not. 1:34:28.560 --> 1:34:31.040 I'm really not like a Disney adult like that. It's like, 1:34:31.080 --> 1:34:33.320 there are worse people. Let's say there are worse people. 1:34:33.479 --> 1:34:34.439 I do enjoy Disney. 1:34:34.439 --> 1:34:39.439 But no, you're supporting your fiance's interests and that's very important. 1:34:39.840 --> 1:34:41.679 Listen, we're there, you know what I mean, we're there. 1:34:41.720 --> 1:34:44.400 We might as well immerse ourselves in the situation. But no, 1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:47.720 we're getting married in Brooklyn. That's what's nets. And then 1:34:48.080 --> 1:34:51.040 there's a couple of new projects coming up in the 1:34:51.080 --> 1:34:54.840 spring musical wise, that can't announce you just yet. 1:34:54.880 --> 1:34:56.799 But yeah, there's there's a couple of things. 1:34:57.280 --> 1:35:00.840 And your mood, you're you're still doing Mufasa currently, Like right. 1:35:00.680 --> 1:35:02.320 Now, I'm still am doing lupostera. Yeah. 1:35:02.360 --> 1:35:04.400 I mean I'll be gone for the next for like 1:35:04.439 --> 1:35:06.640 three weeks when I go to Disney just for the 1:35:06.640 --> 1:35:12.280 sake of bounding. Yeah. But but yeah, but I'm move Foster. 1:35:12.439 --> 1:35:16.880 Still amazing. This was so amazing. We really I had 1:35:16.880 --> 1:35:17.920 a great time chatting. 1:35:18.000 --> 1:35:20.479 Yeah, thanks for taking the time. I know you're you're 1:35:20.520 --> 1:35:21.759 a busy, busy person. 1:35:21.840 --> 1:35:24.920 No, I appreciate you guys, have a good night, thank you, 1:35:25.360 --> 1:35:28.559 bye bye. 1:35:30.720 --> 1:35:33.800 Oh my god, a smile that would blind you, like 1:35:33.960 --> 1:35:35.639 the most beautiful smile. 1:35:36.120 --> 1:35:37.920 Just cool. And I was so glad I got to 1:35:37.920 --> 1:35:40.640 tell him we saw him in Lion King me and Rosie. 1:35:40.400 --> 1:35:43.720 And I just missed guests, Like I like talking to 1:35:43.760 --> 1:35:47.479 cool people that are talented and do fun stuff and 1:35:47.560 --> 1:35:50.040 we get to bond and I enjoy that, so sue me. 1:35:50.439 --> 1:35:53.000 Yeah, he was great and we'll be. 1:35:53.200 --> 1:35:55.960 We'll be looking for updates from his Disney trip for 1:35:56.040 --> 1:35:56.759 the new Bounding. 1:35:57.760 --> 1:36:00.880 Yeah, I saw them. I saw this picture. We interviewed 1:36:00.960 --> 1:36:01.679 him a little bit ago. 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:03.680 They're up. They're up on his instagram. Oh the new 1:36:03.720 --> 1:36:07.440 ones are up. Oh my god. Yeah, they're on his instagram. 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:09.280 You can see his like a little buzz light ear 1:36:09.479 --> 1:36:12.400 kind of or it's like a toy story inspired what. 1:36:12.400 --> 1:36:13.720 Are you gonna dress house? Or what do you think 1:36:13.720 --> 1:36:15.639 your kids will want to d or? Oscar's not even 1:36:15.680 --> 1:36:17.439 going yeah, not even gonna do. 1:36:18.160 --> 1:36:18.680 I don't know. 1:36:18.800 --> 1:36:22.000 I think that Rosie's just she's a girl of variety. 1:36:22.120 --> 1:36:24.280 She likes so many different things. It's not like she's 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:26.920 a stan of one thing. Like right now, it's Aladdin 1:36:26.960 --> 1:36:29.400 by the time we go, it could be something totally different. Yeah, 1:36:29.479 --> 1:36:32.120 but Milana has been a staple, you know, But that's yeah, 1:36:32.160 --> 1:36:32.839 that's Oscar. 1:36:33.400 --> 1:36:35.439 H Rosie comes out and goes, I don't want to 1:36:35.479 --> 1:36:37.639 watch this anymore. She's sick of it. Oscar. 1:36:38.200 --> 1:36:40.120 Just today at the doctor, she goes, what kind of 1:36:40.120 --> 1:36:42.479 sticker do you want? He goes Mohana like he's so 1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:47.040 fucking won track mine for Mowana in Gabby's dollhouse. But anyway, 1:36:47.080 --> 1:36:48.960 I don't know what we'll be doing any costuming, but 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:51.479 you know, well, uh, I just hope the weather's nice 1:36:51.520 --> 1:36:54.920 and it's a it's a smooth trip. Maybe I'll I'm 1:36:54.920 --> 1:36:57.680 gonna hit up L Steven Taylor and ask him for 1:36:57.760 --> 1:36:59.640 his tips, but actually he's a he's a. 1:36:59.640 --> 1:37:02.160 Disney old guy, I think, And I'm going to Land. No, 1:37:02.520 --> 1:37:06.080 our listeners will hit you up. I am not concerned. 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.639 You will get all the tips and then now your 1:37:08.680 --> 1:37:12.439 phone knows you're going, so you're oh, your feed will 1:37:12.439 --> 1:37:13.000 be tips. 1:37:13.400 --> 1:37:16.560 Yeah, but let's do a post mortemon down low in 1:37:16.640 --> 1:37:21.160 Hell's kitchen. I mean, truly, such a wild crime hoax, 1:37:21.400 --> 1:37:23.720 like from our time. I was interested in researching it 1:37:23.720 --> 1:37:25.160 because I was like, did it really go down the 1:37:25.160 --> 1:37:26.600 way that way, Like, you know, I was kind of 1:37:26.600 --> 1:37:27.280 paying attention to. 1:37:27.280 --> 1:37:27.840 It, but not really. 1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:30.160 No, the Justice Smollett thing was fucked But then the 1:37:30.160 --> 1:37:33.880 people that were like so mad about it, we're all 1:37:34.240 --> 1:37:37.760 trumpy and racist, so it was like, yeah, it's a 1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:38.720 fucked up thing to do. 1:37:38.840 --> 1:37:41.480 Can you not lie about being attacked? 1:37:42.280 --> 1:37:46.080 But the way people were like off with his head 1:37:46.520 --> 1:37:49.960 was disproportionate to all the rapists that they know. It 1:37:50.080 --> 1:37:53.880 is wrong to take police attention and resources on a 1:37:53.920 --> 1:37:57.280 crime that did not happen. Something is tough when black 1:37:57.280 --> 1:38:00.280 people who do lie about crimes get more time than 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:03.599 like people who kill black people, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, 1:38:03.640 --> 1:38:05.880 it's like, yeah, Jesse did something wrong, he deserves to 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:09.560 get in trouble whatever, But there is just something unsettling 1:38:09.600 --> 1:38:10.200 about it all. 1:38:10.520 --> 1:38:13.920 Yeah, how hard people came for him? Yeah, for sure, or. 1:38:13.840 --> 1:38:17.240 Even the case that you covered Towanna Bradley, Yeah, or 1:38:17.640 --> 1:38:20.040 even last year there was that girl that went missing 1:38:20.040 --> 1:38:22.880 and it wasn't real. It's like and then everyone just 1:38:23.200 --> 1:38:26.040 is so mad and they're so pissed they get more 1:38:26.120 --> 1:38:29.320 Jale time. And I get it because it is harder 1:38:29.360 --> 1:38:31.799 for victory. You know, I get it. I get the sentiment, 1:38:32.320 --> 1:38:34.960 but I don't get the level of anger. 1:38:35.280 --> 1:38:39.080 Yeah, because like I always bring up Sherry Peppini, the 1:38:39.120 --> 1:38:42.160 woman who like did a hoax of her own kidnapping, or. 1:38:42.200 --> 1:38:45.360 Ryan Lockey, the swimmer who lied about being robbed. 1:38:45.400 --> 1:38:46.639 I don't think anyone cared. 1:38:46.920 --> 1:38:50.200 He's been on reality shows of versus like Ryan Locktey 1:38:50.320 --> 1:38:52.920 fucking lied about being robbed at the Olympics and it 1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:57.320 was a blip in his life. Yeah, Sherry Peppini got 1:38:57.360 --> 1:39:00.840 eighteen months, but it looks like she's sir less than 1:39:00.880 --> 1:39:03.040 a year, you know, and that. 1:39:03.439 --> 1:39:05.200 But that's a white woman, you know. Yeah, and then 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:06.439 you see Brock Turner. 1:39:06.920 --> 1:39:09.519 Yeah yeah, it's just like I know it's wrong, but 1:39:09.760 --> 1:39:14.200 the racial elements of everything is just it's too pervasive 1:39:14.240 --> 1:39:16.280 and it's too much to just look at it and 1:39:16.320 --> 1:39:17.519 be like, yeah he did, you know. 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:18.920 Yeah, yeah for sure. 1:39:19.360 --> 1:39:24.320 And the episode definitely like added a different element to 1:39:24.360 --> 1:39:26.599 it in terms of like this was like a media 1:39:26.680 --> 1:39:29.680 plan for coming out because he felt like embarrassed of 1:39:29.800 --> 1:39:31.519 coming out, or like didn't want to come out in 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:33.639 a certain way, or someone was like holding his coming 1:39:33.640 --> 1:39:36.479 out against him. So I was glad that at least 1:39:36.520 --> 1:39:38.839 in Jesse Smollett's case, he was just like an outman 1:39:38.920 --> 1:39:40.599 and it really didn't have anything to do with his 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:43.640 sexual orientation at all. But that leads me into what 1:39:43.640 --> 1:39:46.000 would Sister Peg do for this week? That is our 1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:49.000 weekly segment. You guys know what it is. We direct 1:39:49.000 --> 1:39:53.240 you towards an organization, a book, a episode of dateline, 1:39:53.360 --> 1:39:54.719 something to give you more info. 1:39:54.560 --> 1:39:55.799 About what we talked about today. 1:39:56.080 --> 1:39:58.519 And this week, I wanted to highlight the HRC, or 1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:01.719 the Human Rights Campaign, which strives to end discrimination against 1:40:01.840 --> 1:40:06.280 LGBTQ plus people and realize a world that achieves fundamental 1:40:06.280 --> 1:40:09.400 fairness and equality for all. It is the largest political 1:40:09.439 --> 1:40:12.160 lobbying organization in the US and they focus on protecting 1:40:12.160 --> 1:40:16.439 and expanding LGBTQ plus rights for individuals and advocating for 1:40:16.479 --> 1:40:19.800 same sex marriage, anti discrimination and hate crimes legislation, and 1:40:19.960 --> 1:40:23.400 HIV and AIDS advocacy. And to find out ways to 1:40:23.400 --> 1:40:26.240 get involved with that both nationally and locally, go to 1:40:26.439 --> 1:40:27.920 HRC dot org. 1:40:28.520 --> 1:40:31.720 Thank you so much for that. I always want to 1:40:31.760 --> 1:40:34.559 switch up what I say afterwards, but there's only a 1:40:34.560 --> 1:40:35.720 few options for me. 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:38.880 Yeah, you know, that was a good one. Thank you. 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:45.440 Kara Also, now that I am here, I want to volunteer. 1:40:45.520 --> 1:40:48.160 So if anyone volunteers in New York and has a 1:40:48.160 --> 1:40:50.760 place they love to suggest for me, that would be great. 1:40:51.320 --> 1:40:53.200 I mean, it's intimidating to find something. 1:40:53.640 --> 1:40:55.920 Yeah, I've always wanted to volunteer in New York, and 1:40:55.960 --> 1:40:57.639 I like didn't really know where to start. I feel 1:40:57.640 --> 1:40:59.360 like I googled it a couple times and was like what. 1:40:59.640 --> 1:41:01.360 But yeah, it's just intimidating. 1:41:01.360 --> 1:41:04.479 But I'd love to be able to get involved in 1:41:04.520 --> 1:41:07.280 some way anyways. So if you have any you know, 1:41:07.479 --> 1:41:11.519 if you have Disney stuff for Kara, some volunteer stuff 1:41:11.600 --> 1:41:14.240 for me, let me know. But I'm not gardening. Don't 1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:17.200 send me any harvest shit. I'm not fucking doing any gardening. 1:41:17.200 --> 1:41:19.840 You're not doing Bette Midler's organization that like greens up 1:41:19.880 --> 1:41:20.400 the parks. 1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:22.599 Forget that. That's what I keep finding. I'm like, I'm 1:41:22.640 --> 1:41:24.000 not fucking doing this. Okay. 1:41:24.840 --> 1:41:27.360 But next week, oh god, this is a tough one. 1:41:27.360 --> 1:41:31.120 We're doing Townhouse Incident, Season seventeen, episode eleven. 1:41:31.240 --> 1:41:31.880 We'll see you then. 1:41:32.600 --> 1:41:41.160 It's a it's a chilly one, all right, see you guys. 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:46.519 That's messed up as an Exactly Right Production. 1:41:46.960 --> 1:41:49.040 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 1:41:49.120 --> 1:41:51.360 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 1:41:51.360 --> 1:41:54.080 at That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. 1:41:54.280 --> 1:41:57.439 Follow the podcast on Instagram at That's Messed Up Pod 1:41:57.680 --> 1:42:01.160 and on Twitter at Messed Up Pod. 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