Speaker 1: Welcome to Stradio Lab and intellectual podcast about straight culture
Speaker 1: and also a stupid podcast about nothing. Don't say that
Speaker 1: it's just true. I don't want to line to our listeners.
Speaker 1: I'm George Severe and I'm Sam Taggart and this is
Speaker 1: Stradio Lab. Podcast starts. Okay, podcast starts. Now, what's up everybody,
Speaker 1: And welcome to to Radio Lab. Back from the grave.
Speaker 1: You thought we were dead, but actually we were training
Speaker 1: and we're stronger than ever. And I just want to
Speaker 1: say the old s Radio Lab can't come to the
Speaker 1: phone right now. Why because she doesn't get out of
Speaker 1: bed for under three million dollars. Wow? Say that. And
Speaker 1: I just want to say for the listeners at home,
Speaker 1: this podcast has always been about a few things. It's
Speaker 1: been about straight culture sort of. It's been about making
Speaker 1: a podcast entirely. It's been about trend parency. In the
Speaker 1: spirit of transparency, I want to say that we are
Speaker 1: um coming off of doing a full intro that completely
Speaker 1: messed up due to technical difficulties. So we are sort
Speaker 1: of emotionally raw. We are on edge in a way
Speaker 1: that I would say I'm physically bleeding from multiple in
Speaker 1: multiple parts of my body. I'm breaking out in hives.
Speaker 1: I'm bleeding, but it's uh, what's it called when it's psychological? Um,
Speaker 1: not bleeding Munchausen. I'm bleeding, but it's Munchausen. I'm bleeding.
Speaker 1: Psycho Stomatic is the word I was looking for. I
Speaker 1: am actually I actually bleeding in my limbs are falling,
Speaker 1: but it's all in my head. Yeah, George is actually
Speaker 1: hosting a collaboration between Bleeding and Munchausen. Finally, the two
Speaker 1: girls teamed up inside of George's body collab of the season,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm excited a partner. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: partner with Munchausen for the launch of the collab between Psychosomatic,
Speaker 1: limb falling and podcasting. So I have to say, George,
Speaker 1: when you were speaking a moment ago, it actually did
Speaker 1: start to cut out. And I see the fear that
Speaker 1: I could feel from our guests today and myself included, Well,
Speaker 1: it was there. Here's what I'll say from now on,
Speaker 1: technical difficulties are not a big deal. If something happens
Speaker 1: and let's say I have to switch my WiFi again,
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be chill about it. I think that's a
Speaker 1: great rule. Then, why does everyone look frightened. I'm perplexed
Speaker 1: because I feel like we were nothing but chill when
Speaker 1: you were figuring it out. I was on the verge
Speaker 1: of having a mental breakdown the entire time. I've been
Speaker 1: relaxed this whole time until now. Now I'm pissed off.
Speaker 1: Now I'm and I'm Sam. You were saying the you know,
Speaker 1: on one level, it's a podcast about straight culture. On
Speaker 1: another level, it's about radical honesty. And then on a
Speaker 1: yet third level, it's kind of a horseshoe theory where
Speaker 1: the radical honesty becomes almost toxic dishonesty. I just want
Speaker 1: to see the question for this season, season three, which
Speaker 1: is starting today, the first season sponsored by Munchausen, is
Speaker 1: where do we go from here up exactly to the
Speaker 1: tippy top? Baby, I'm talking prime time NBC podcasting. I'm
Speaker 1: almost like, should we just bring in the guests? And
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's this pressure to reintroduce, to
Speaker 1: re launch, and in fact, our sponsor, Munchausen, has done
Speaker 1: all that for us, and I think it's time to
Speaker 1: just dive right in. Wait, I want to say, before
Speaker 1: we dive right in, you should that we don't need
Speaker 1: this pressure. We don't feel pressure because you know what,
Speaker 1: a season three of a podcast, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Let's start there, doesn't mean anything. Well, that's a slippery
Speaker 1: slope if I've ever heard one. I want to say
Speaker 1: one thing before we start. Okay, I have missed you,
Speaker 1: see you on my screen, being with you every week.
Speaker 1: It is the greatest honor of my life to have
Speaker 1: a professional relationship and a collaborative relationship with you. And
Speaker 1: it is an honor to be back this time, wild
Speaker 1: bleeding George, you are the Munchausen is talking. Honestly, my
Speaker 1: my makeup is running. But when Munchausen is acting up,
Speaker 1: all of us are sponsored by Munchausen. Each of us
Speaker 1: have Munchousen in different ways. We actually each have Munchausen
Speaker 1: by proxy to someone we have chosen. I'm poisoning Sam.
Speaker 1: Sam is poisoning Bowen, Bowen. It is poisoning Matt every
Speaker 1: goddamn day. Phantom thread over here. Not for lack of trying,
Speaker 1: t t um. Okay, George, Um, it's a pleasure to
Speaker 1: be hosting a podcast with you again. Um. I've been
Speaker 1: lost the summer without you, and our personal and professional
Speaker 1: relationship is one of the strongest in my life, and
Speaker 1: I just want to say so often this summer, I
Speaker 1: feel like if I do not talk to you, I
Speaker 1: will in fact collapse. And I maybe will text you
Speaker 1: kind of in the middle of the day something that's
Speaker 1: that's a small thing. Maybe I'll send you something I
Speaker 1: found funny, or maybe I'll say like, oh l O
Speaker 1: L to something, and then sometimes you rightly will respond appropriately,
Speaker 1: will be like oh ha ha, and then I will
Speaker 1: be crushed because in fact, I was trying to start
Speaker 1: a two hour long conversation and I realized, in fact,
Speaker 1: what I'm missing is a recorded podcast. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not a great texture to be honest. Yeah yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't feel like engaging. I just sort of leave it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a good quality. I don't take pride in it,
Speaker 1: but it's just a fact. Matt and Bowen, how has
Speaker 1: your professional relationships strained your friendship immensely? Yeah, a lot um,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'll tell you something. And it got
Speaker 1: really hard once we signed our big deal with Heart.
Speaker 1: And I say, when we signed our big deal with
Speaker 1: I Heart, I don't think we really made too much
Speaker 1: of it on the mike. So I feel this is
Speaker 1: this is your first mistake. Yea. Even talking about it
Speaker 1: and you know what I feel is almost like h
Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan saying I could hear myself, I could hear
Speaker 1: everyone being annoyed with me, but I couldn't stop when
Speaker 1: she's talking about Regina all the time, and to me,
Speaker 1: Regina is my heart. Yeah. Well, Katie Herron said that
Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan didn't say about it was improvised. It was improvised. Now,
Speaker 1: Tina Fey, Dame Tina Fey wrote those words through Katie
Speaker 1: Harron and don't you forget it. No, it was a
Speaker 1: kind of Christopher Guest type thing. Tina fe has talked
Speaker 1: about this, that entire movie was improvised. She's never said that, George,
Speaker 1: She has never said, when you watched The Trap, did
Speaker 1: you think Lindsay Lohan actually had a twin? A lot
Speaker 1: of people thought that this is a this is a
Speaker 1: really important question. It says a lot about you. I mean,
Speaker 1: she did, didn't she talk about a professional relationship? Strange?
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Yeah, she got she got
Speaker 1: the big film and suddenly her twin was dead. Talk
Speaker 1: about a relationship strained Lindsay Lohan with herself. Oh, my god, God,
Speaker 1: I have nothing to had. Well, let's bring in our guests,
Speaker 1: shall we? Okay, this has been such awkward humor. No
Speaker 1: awkward humor, no random random not don't stop it. You're
Speaker 1: tipping it, don't I'm tipping it. I got it. I'm
Speaker 1: getting excited. Can we be brought in? I think it's
Speaker 1: time to bring in our guests. And why do you
Speaker 1: feel that it's time? Please give a warm welcome to
Speaker 1: style superstar Carson Cressley and the always hilarious Michelle Vissage.
Speaker 1: So are we do? Who do you think do you
Speaker 1: think that Carson is? Like I was just thinking, are
Speaker 1: we as gay as Carson? Yeah? Yeah, yes, yes, but
Speaker 1: for our time the standards are different. Yeah we are.
Speaker 1: We are to Carson what Carson was in his time.
Speaker 1: We are now parentheses derogatory, Yeah, parenthes derogatory and and
Speaker 1: and a big joke and a big joke. Well, I
Speaker 1: do think you know, in fifteen years or whatever, there
Speaker 1: will be new gay podcasters on the scene, and they'll
Speaker 1: be like and welcome to the stage, like the hilarious
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, and it will be like inherently like like
Speaker 1: they won't have said anything mean, but it will be
Speaker 1: like that's meant to be mean, and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're making fun of right. It's like when they call
Speaker 1: him a style superstar, that's like meant as a hurtful insult.
Speaker 1: I think anyone anyone wants the augatory anyone watching it,
Speaker 1: he's wearing it's a Liberati Cave style Superstar, and he'm
Speaker 1: like superstar. Literally he's crying. He's back with glitter on
Speaker 1: Stop and the and the whole areas air quotes Ross Matthews.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do think Georgia're right. I do think
Speaker 1: it's time to bring in our guests. Should we bring
Speaker 1: them in? I mean that's the question everybody's lips, all
Speaker 1: of America wants to know, should we bring them in?
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's almost there. I I'm sensing
Speaker 1: something very productive about the tension of they are half in,
Speaker 1: half out. Yeah, and there's a queerness. There's a queerness
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, it's sort of well, it's it's definitely
Speaker 1: like anti sort of border. It's sort of saying like
Speaker 1: it literally does what's up with that? That is what
Speaker 1: is happening right now? Yeah, And it's what's crazy is
Speaker 1: like even internally like even though they're not speaking on it,
Speaker 1: um because they haven't been invited to. UM. I feel
Speaker 1: that our guests, like when we say should we bring
Speaker 1: our guests, they assume the position of guests who have
Speaker 1: not been brought in. But then when we fake bring
Speaker 1: them in, they assume the position of guests that haven't
Speaker 1: got in. And it's sort of like they need to
Speaker 1: examine why they're like believing these borders. You know, it
Speaker 1: is it's work they have to do themselves, and it's
Speaker 1: work we can't do for them. So it's very much
Speaker 1: like you know, the dog is used to the cage.
Speaker 1: You open the cage, the dog still wants to be
Speaker 1: in the cage, Oh my god. Sorry, And so it's
Speaker 1: not you know, even now, I'm like, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: they could actually speak up right now, but they are not.
Speaker 1: Even though they have already spoken in the past. They
Speaker 1: now suddenly are back in then not having been brought
Speaker 1: in stage because we have really good boundaries. UM, So
Speaker 1: please welcome without further ado. From the hit film Fire Island,
Speaker 1: Bow and Yang and Matt Rogers chices You live in
Speaker 1: love You to local girls, How the hell's it going?
Speaker 1: You guys really are living love to local today a
Speaker 1: little bit. We're not we are and it's getting loca
Speaker 1: or and loca or as we go. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: mass loca. Matt, you just woke up? Tell us about that. Well,
Speaker 1: as you all know, we attended the Lady Gaga concert
Speaker 1: last night at the MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: and I, as a result of staying up late after
Speaker 1: the concert and even getting into it with somebody, woke
Speaker 1: up a little bit late today. Yeah, it's like sexually
Speaker 1: or violently? Can you tell us, honey, Well, I got
Speaker 1: into sexually with someone and it was decidedly not violent.
Speaker 1: Huge is someone we know? No, it was a bartol
Speaker 1: That's so fun. Oh my god, I feel like I
Speaker 1: feel I feel like this is Matt, look at me. Congrats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I thought same was gonna agree with
Speaker 1: that it was I agree with. I think there's a
Speaker 1: world where he can both agree that. It's very say
Speaker 1: congrats and bartender to be a supporting character is ver. Yes,
Speaker 1: they have found my Steve may have found my Yes,
Speaker 1: and in some ways it's but he told me, he
Speaker 1: told me he is partnered. Okay, okay, well, well that
Speaker 1: could work yeah, I mean this is rebood. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean in the reboots, Steve is PAULI. Actually he's dying,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on writing down that idea for our
Speaker 1: rom com Ken it work with someone who's partner. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's the old partnered god work uncoupled, Write
Speaker 1: that down, uncoupled. Oh smart, smart, Smart, starring Style superstar
Speaker 1: Carson Cresslin and the Hush. Imagine imagine that rom com
Speaker 1: with them. That would be kind, That would be fun,
Speaker 1: That would be really fun playing themselves, not to be
Speaker 1: like the most simple minded sort of a to be um,
Speaker 1: you know, unimaginative person on the globe. Right, But should
Speaker 1: we just sort of talk about should we sort of
Speaker 1: get into the fact that we were at Chromatical last night? Yes,
Speaker 1: and maybe not just I think we have to and
Speaker 1: we have to. CHROMATICA is the is a huge album
Speaker 1: for this podcast because it it came. I mean, I
Speaker 1: would say the entire release cycle, if you're can call
Speaker 1: it that of that album was was you know, was
Speaker 1: tracked painstakingly by the pod. I remember had Amy Zimmern
Speaker 1: to talk about Lady Gaga as a concept when um
Speaker 1: Stupid Love came out, and she said something I think
Speaker 1: is very wise, which is the promise of Lady Gaga.
Speaker 1: Is like, if Lady Gaga fails, then the twenty tens
Speaker 1: were for nothing. Wow. It's like the reason why we
Speaker 1: have faith in Lady Gaga is because we have to
Speaker 1: believe there was some point to the twenty tents. It's
Speaker 1: sunken cost fallacy. It's like when you go, you know,
Speaker 1: I've spent I've spent too much time on this thing
Speaker 1: already and if I quit then that that would have
Speaker 1: been a waste of my time at that point. If
Speaker 1: you quit, it's like, well, what was the point of
Speaker 1: What was the point of Obama? What was the point
Speaker 1: of marriage equality? What was the point of HBO's girls.
Speaker 1: It's a slippery slope, that is so true. I think
Speaker 1: that last night Lady Gaga proved that the times I
Speaker 1: completely agree. That's what I felt, That's what I think
Speaker 1: ultimately up and last night was she in singing her
Speaker 1: songs made us all dance and remember and um, when
Speaker 1: I was leaving the concert last night, I thought back
Speaker 1: to all the times when I first heard those amazing songs,
Speaker 1: and I thought this was a time capsule. It was
Speaker 1: a journey both in a literal and figurative sense. It
Speaker 1: was an emotional journey as well as a journey to
Speaker 1: another plan and not just a capsule, but a cap
Speaker 1: stone thank you, as in it was the conclusion of
Speaker 1: the tens. Now we can finally move on, Now can begin,
Speaker 1: can truly begin? I was going to decades now Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. It's it's like, it's like how, only
Speaker 1: it's like how it took Lady Gaga three songs last
Speaker 1: night to say act one, And let's talk about that,
Speaker 1: and let's talk about your storytelling. Let's talk about because
Speaker 1: bag non monear. But there's flashbacks in the first season,
Speaker 1: how dare if you're fact checking my co hosts, OK,
Speaker 1: this is not our house. This is not our house.
Speaker 1: If you said it's not linear, it's not linear. You
Speaker 1: think he has the concert with yellow jackets or fleabag.
Speaker 1: I think I think it was succession. I think it
Speaker 1: was purely linear, purely linear, because she gave us prologue
Speaker 1: acts once before and finale, which is classically which is
Speaker 1: a classic structure. That is you're right, it is a
Speaker 1: classic structure, and it is succession um finale, my final
Speaker 1: act final? Did she even call the first three songs
Speaker 1: just thrust. She knew what she was doing. It made
Speaker 1: it better that than without expecting it. You saw the
Speaker 1: words act one, Yeah, when Actually the way I felt
Speaker 1: when I saw the words act one I I immediately
Speaker 1: was like, oh so this I thought this was a
Speaker 1: concert and actually it's a story, and that really I screamed.
Speaker 1: I said, I didn't know I was seeing a film today.
Speaker 1: I thought I was seeing a concert. What do we
Speaker 1: think the story was? Okay, that's a really good that's great,
Speaker 1: that's great. So it starts when she's in a thing
Speaker 1: that sort of a cafcoon and it's romance, bad romance.
Speaker 1: So she's okay, I think she's kidnapped in Berlin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's in She's in the basement. She's in the basement.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, to be clear, I know
Speaker 1: the answer. I know what the story is. So I'm
Speaker 1: just like listening to see if you guys get it.
Speaker 1: I want to hear Sam do it. Yeah. No, I'm
Speaker 1: saying I'm listening, but I do know. So at the
Speaker 1: and I will confirm if you're right, you're gonna fact check.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, the story is whatever the
Speaker 1: whatever the viewer, Sam keep going. Okay. So she's kidnapped
Speaker 1: and she's in the basement of Bergheim and they're playing
Speaker 1: her songs upstairs, which just crazy because she knows all
Speaker 1: the words of them. So she's sort of seeing you
Speaker 1: along and she's like and so. So then that's the prologue,
Speaker 1: is like, we're starting here, and then it's sort of
Speaker 1: her journey out of Bergheim. Um. So it's act two,
Speaker 1: Act one, all right, So that's the prolog. It's like,
Speaker 1: let's start there. You think Act one is the prologue. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: Sam needs to keep going because he's dead on right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's the prologue and then the act one, Um,
Speaker 1: so that was sort of Alice. Okay, so that was
Speaker 1: about identity. That was about identity. Yeah, so she was
Speaker 1: clearly going undercover to get out of Bergheim. She was like,
Speaker 1: my name isn't oh yeah, but it's not. But it's
Speaker 1: also not Stephanie, nor is it Gaga. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: she has munch houses for names. Okay, so she's going undercover,
Speaker 1: is not Alice to leave ver Kim? So far, so good,
Speaker 1: so far, ten out of ten so far. Okay. So
Speaker 1: then it gets to act two and that's sort of
Speaker 1: when we get to um caramatica two into nine on one,
Speaker 1: so that actually she had escaped, but she had PTSD
Speaker 1: for being locked in the basement pretty long. So then
Speaker 1: she had to pop a nine on one yeah, because
Speaker 1: of Yeah, And I'm so sorry to interrupt, but exactly
Speaker 1: I was going to say, it goes from identity to trauma,
Speaker 1: which is such a classic narrative in that order to
Speaker 1: But she's calling nine one one because she lives in
Speaker 1: a country where dialing one doesn't summon the police, it
Speaker 1: summons social workers. And she goes and she she wants
Speaker 1: she wants help with her mental with her mental health.
Speaker 1: It's not capaganda. People are saying nine one one is capaganda,
Speaker 1: and I just want to say, no, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: so they don't work aganda. It's social work aganda, which
Speaker 1: is what we need more of now more than ever.
Speaker 1: We really need more social workers to stand up in
Speaker 1: the world propaganda for in the world of chromatic at
Speaker 1: nine one one is for the nationalized mental health care line.
Speaker 1: It's not for the cops. Yes. So then after that,
Speaker 1: she realizes that she needs to put on a show,
Speaker 1: um because she realizes that she needs art to um
Speaker 1: to sort of be her therapy because the social workers
Speaker 1: weren't supported enough economically to give her the support that
Speaker 1: she needed. So that's when she gets to the piano
Speaker 1: and sort of sing some songs because she's like, maybe
Speaker 1: this will help. Does it correct? That is the story?
Speaker 1: Why is that? Why is the piano madd trees? Why
Speaker 1: is the piano like a gnor old wood? Oh? Um?
Speaker 1: Because she made it herself, so you think you think
Speaker 1: it's she made it herself, not because it's a climate
Speaker 1: change may Yeah. No, she doesn't really care about there
Speaker 1: was no there was. She doesn't care about. Ladyga does
Speaker 1: not care about the planet. That's why she's leaving it.
Speaker 1: That's why she abandoned. In that way, it's very Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift getting on her private jet because she's like, oh
Speaker 1: there's climate change, I gotta go. Yeah, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be stuck here. Yeah. Big, She's like big demons
Speaker 1: to fight. Lady Gaga was actually quoted as saying we
Speaker 1: have to get off this planet. Yes. So then she
Speaker 1: sang the songs on the piano and then it gets
Speaker 1: to um Um finale, the finality. Okay, so the finale
Speaker 1: I sort of read that as her learning that it's
Speaker 1: not about um social workers helping you, it's not about
Speaker 1: art helping you. It's about commercial success helping you. That's
Speaker 1: the only way you can fill the emotional hole caused
Speaker 1: by being tied up in the basement at Berkheim, which
Speaker 1: is why she got Ariana gran Grande on the track.
Speaker 1: She said, how do I get a hit? She said,
Speaker 1: put her on the damn track. I'm cashing in baby.
Speaker 1: That was her, That was her I heart deal moment.
Speaker 1: That was the lady got got sold out. But that
Speaker 1: is actually a very powerful narrative that you have just well.
Speaker 1: And then obviously the Cherry on Top being ending withhold
Speaker 1: my hand and sort of being like this song, you know,
Speaker 1: couldn't be further from Burkheim. We are gone that that
Speaker 1: is in the past. It's not just said it's the
Speaker 1: natural endpoint of commercialization. It's like she's singing this song
Speaker 1: that sounds personal and it is for a movie that
Speaker 1: is literal military propaganda. So it's like it's it's the
Speaker 1: Cherry on Top. She's like, Okay, and now here's my
Speaker 1: new work inspired by the journey I just took. That
Speaker 1: made me realize the only way out of identity and
Speaker 1: trauma is through commercial enterprise. And that's right. It's called
Speaker 1: Hold My Hand and it is for Top Gun Maverick.
Speaker 1: And guess what, and guess what You're gonna gag for it?
Speaker 1: And boy did we I did gag for it. Actually
Speaker 1: I was, I really did. I actually love I have
Speaker 1: stand Hold My Hand for months now and you're a
Speaker 1: trailblazer and me a full day. I was shocked at
Speaker 1: how how much she sold it. I mean to take
Speaker 1: that song she sold it. I was like, there's no
Speaker 1: way she can make me like the song. And there
Speaker 1: I was when many are calling a seaside from born
Speaker 1: this way that she filed through the drawers, and I
Speaker 1: was like, what do I have for Top Gun Maverick.
Speaker 1: I have this one, maybe this well, maybe I'll just
Speaker 1: try to I'll give this one a whirl again. And
Speaker 1: then she ended her chromatica ball with the song and
Speaker 1: hap to making a tour that she had all the
Speaker 1: time in the world to perfect. And and this is
Speaker 1: what we got. It wasn't wonderful show, but you have
Speaker 1: to and you have to imagine that the entire time
Speaker 1: she knew that she actually it wasn't even about public health.
Speaker 1: Her canceling the tour. It was like, I don't have
Speaker 1: the finale song. And then Once Hold Once Hold my
Speaker 1: Hand became such a global hit. She was like, we
Speaker 1: can go out on the road. I know how I'm
Speaker 1: going to end the show. I have my Beyonce's halo.
Speaker 1: I have my torch song that will end all my
Speaker 1: concerts going forward. And that is what the concert was about.
Speaker 1: The journey to find my hand. Hold my Hand was
Speaker 1: the capstone, the capstone to the capstone. Hold my Hand
Speaker 1: is again. It's like it is the end of her work,
Speaker 1: and it is the end of the work of it
Speaker 1: is I would say it is a loss of innocence.
Speaker 1: It's like this, there's no it is post postmodern well,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's such a gen z anthem. Exactly
Speaker 1: when she saw Jennifer Connolly get off that boat and
Speaker 1: her hair was still perfect, she said, I'm so inspired.
Speaker 1: I'm inspired by the love I saw between Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: and Jennifer said, no, I'm no longer than I've changed.
Speaker 1: I can start my new decade now, but only after
Speaker 1: I record this song that I've had for a while.
Speaker 1: She called the Blockheed Martin and said boy, have I
Speaker 1: got a track for you? Boys? Yeah, you're about to
Speaker 1: catch some big checks because missiles are going to be
Speaker 1: on the menu again. I'm not even kidding. I'm not
Speaker 1: even kidding. I cannot wait for this to be over
Speaker 1: so I can listen a home Matt. Please don't say
Speaker 1: you can't wait for our podcast we're going to be over.
Speaker 1: That's really hurtful. That's like really hurt can't wait where
Speaker 1: network sisters? Now? I cannot wait. I'm edging not just
Speaker 1: that you can't wait for to be over so that
Speaker 1: you can listen to hold My Whole Night, one of
Speaker 1: the greatest songs, the song that started this decade. If
Speaker 1: I'm that we can all agree on okay, wait, I
Speaker 1: want to say, everyone go around. I'm gonna be my
Speaker 1: mom right now. Everyone go around and say their favorite
Speaker 1: moment from the concert. Go I loved, but I'll go first.
Speaker 1: I loved for a dancing moment, I loved replay and
Speaker 1: when you loved another song. I loved a couple other
Speaker 1: songs I love. I thought it was really specially we
Speaker 1: all got to listen to Shallow Together Live absolutely hand
Speaker 1: I loved. I woke up yesterday morning, the day of
Speaker 1: the concert, and I decided. The first thought I had
Speaker 1: was I'm going to like hold my Hand. I did
Speaker 1: not care for that song before I woke up yesterday
Speaker 1: and chose peace and love for hold my Hand the Power,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna be I'm surprised that
Speaker 1: you didn't say Enigma, enigmas whatever? Oh who was I with?
Speaker 1: That was like standing enigma? Well, I do stand enigma,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't me last night, but I said it
Speaker 1: was I'm gonna be off book by this, But by
Speaker 1: the concert I learned every single word and it was amazing.
Speaker 1: It was an amazing song. That's it. Okay, that's that's me. Well.
Speaker 1: I have to say I enjoyed every part of the concert,
Speaker 1: and I've already expressed that my favorite part was Holding
Speaker 1: my Hand. But if I had to sort of just
Speaker 1: you know, pick another favorite, I would say that I
Speaker 1: absolutely and I'm I actually got some flak from our readers,
Speaker 1: which is what we call the fans of our podcast,
Speaker 1: for not standing replay the way everyone else was. And
Speaker 1: replay was fabulous last night. It was so fabulous. That
Speaker 1: being said, I think that while Shallow was incredible, I
Speaker 1: have to say always remember us this way, giving complete.
Speaker 1: I loved always remember Us this way, loved it, loved it,
Speaker 1: loved it, loved everything she did at the piano, and
Speaker 1: like I also did give get my life to that
Speaker 1: acoustic thousand of a thousand, which the lyrics and you
Speaker 1: do not the host of this podcast do not know.
Speaker 1: We don't know. But then someone did, right she did.
Speaker 1: She changed the lyrics, she changed the lyrics. It was
Speaker 1: it was the Sam and George gas Lighting edition of
Speaker 1: the song. She did different lyrics so that we would
Speaker 1: look stupid because she's mad that we haven't had her on.
Speaker 1: I want to say, in response to Matt, always remember
Speaker 1: us this stupid love and stupid with always remember us
Speaker 1: this way. I actually when she started the song, it
Speaker 1: didn't fully hit me what what she was singing. And
Speaker 1: my first thought was, oh, she's covering a classic song.
Speaker 1: She's doing a classic song, that's like the confidence. Who
Speaker 1: would have thought that it was not even the song
Speaker 1: from the soundtrack that didn't win the Oscar. Wow. She
Speaker 1: didn't even do any covers. She didn't do anything doesn't
Speaker 1: usually no covers, no guest stars, and and honestly no
Speaker 1: weird like mash ups or anything like it was very
Speaker 1: much like one song after the other. Wait, but have
Speaker 1: you have you guys ever heard um the story of
Speaker 1: One Bone? And I went to go see the Telor
Speaker 1: Swift World Tour and she had famously she famously had
Speaker 1: many guest stars and the most iconic guest star that
Speaker 1: she brought out was to walk to walk the runway
Speaker 1: during style was oh yeah, And then she came out
Speaker 1: you got that, David, And it was just like who
Speaker 1: I complimented at an Emmy's party last year. I said
Speaker 1: in Treatment was spectacular. You were so good in that,
Speaker 1: And she did not want to talk to me at all.
Speaker 1: She was like, thanks, and just let me say this
Speaker 1: about Let me say this about the Intreatment reboot starring
Speaker 1: with a Duba. I think I think she's talents. But
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say the marketing of that show. If
Speaker 1: you look at the poster for it, she is fully
Speaker 1: wearing a snatched model look to play looks like everything
Speaker 1: like an ad for like I don't know. She's wearing
Speaker 1: the doulchinkabana, Beyonce bell the key on it. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes she is. She is literally done in every single
Speaker 1: She's She's at home in her professionally, and like Trinity
Speaker 1: of the Tuck walks in and she's like, let's get
Speaker 1: to a girl in her own house. So your father,
Speaker 1: famous famous line girl. Alright, So George was moment and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to be uh kind of cliche, but my
Speaker 1: favorite moment was when she said, if they come for
Speaker 1: gay marriage in this country, you know what will what
Speaker 1: will happen? No, we don't know, No one knows. That
Speaker 1: was you know what's going to happen. And then my
Speaker 1: second favorite moment was when she said, after talking about
Speaker 1: how much difficult do we have all seen in the
Speaker 1: last two years, she said, but we have seen so
Speaker 1: much kindness and positivity, and no one classed. People were
Speaker 1: like where it was like literally the opposite thousands of people.
Speaker 1: No one well like this they did. They did the
Speaker 1: vic emoji, I'm doing the slight I confused emoji. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that moment was when they found polio in the
Speaker 1: sewage in New York. Yeah. When she said yeah, when
Speaker 1: she said kindness, she meant polio. We have seen so
Speaker 1: much and then she came out of so much disease.
Speaker 1: Every time she spoke to the audience, it made even
Speaker 1: less sense than the time before unconnected. No point did
Speaker 1: she Pat and I have this joke, uh, kind of
Speaker 1: an inside joke. In fact, we talked about certain people
Speaker 1: like that. We'll talk about someone and we'll say, you know,
Speaker 1: they need to be tagged in the say one single
Speaker 1: thing that makes sense challenge and I would say, gag,
Speaker 1: I needs to be tagged, and the say one single
Speaker 1: thing that makes sense challenge. It's true. I yeah, that
Speaker 1: stuff was really making me laugh. I wanted almost more
Speaker 1: of it, um because what you want from her as
Speaker 1: cookie cookiness. Someone did someone did like I have to
Speaker 1: say against my whale. I did chuckle when someone posted
Speaker 1: a photo of the crowd last night and and said
Speaker 1: there could be people in a room, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that will never get old. It's so funny. Also another
Speaker 1: thing that she said was she was like talking about
Speaker 1: her memories of Jersey and being like in the boardwalk,
Speaker 1: come on, I've had my good time. I remember that
Speaker 1: one who could forget? Who can forget? The beach? The
Speaker 1: commitment to Jersey. Rather than just being like think it
Speaker 1: a shout out and then mostly talking about New York,
Speaker 1: the commitment to Jersey, she was like, what about those sopranos.
Speaker 1: It was Jersey burn I think I think they. I
Speaker 1: think every pop star who performs there is told you
Speaker 1: cannot mention New York City before Jersey, like we when
Speaker 1: Matt and I saw Taylor Swift there, she like barely
Speaker 1: talked about New York either. All she did was say, Wow,
Speaker 1: it's so great to be in Jersey tonight, like, never
Speaker 1: mentioned New York once except in Welcome to New York.
Speaker 1: I think she did say like, and who is here
Speaker 1: from New York and the entire crowd screamed, and she
Speaker 1: was like, okay, and that this, and then she I
Speaker 1: think she probably did like an hashtag awkward uh segue
Speaker 1: into welcome to New York, you know, and speaking of
Speaker 1: awkward segways first, which we will do after let me finish,
Speaker 1: which we will do after. Sam says his best moment,
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I'm literally being erased right this
Speaker 1: second in front on my own podcast. This is so
Speaker 1: crazy that very suspect, okay, very suspect, well, very inconsidered it,
Speaker 1: and thank you. I think, um honestly, honestly, the top
Speaker 1: moment for me was I'd already been mentioned. Seeing Shallow
Speaker 1: with everybody was so crazy when she literally goes into
Speaker 1: the like hall and it was like she's doing it,
Speaker 1: She's doing the thing we all did for like years,
Speaker 1: Like this is so crazy. I could not believe amazing.
Speaker 1: That was like seeing a way jump in the ocean.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I didn't think I would see
Speaker 1: this in my life. Like that was like being on
Speaker 1: the moon. Like I was like, I'm I'm there. That's
Speaker 1: also how I felt when she did the CHROMATICA two
Speaker 1: and that was the other one I was going to say.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I listened to this
Speaker 1: so many times and now I'm here and it's happening.
Speaker 1: It was. It was breathtaking. I was moved. I thought
Speaker 1: that way about holding my hand for sure. I said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this song that I liked today, she's
Speaker 1: doing it something that I liked today also. And to
Speaker 1: be the most basic, rain on Me was such a
Speaker 1: damn slay. I was jumping up and down jump in
Speaker 1: Stupid Love is a better song. What I was shocked
Speaker 1: that she didn't end on Stupid Love because I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Rain on Me has a feature that was like being
Speaker 1: played from the speakers. You like to end on something
Speaker 1: where you're hearing like a recorded U featured artist. That
Speaker 1: seems so anticlimactic to me. I couldn't believe she couldn't
Speaker 1: pull any special guests to come out and do that.
Speaker 1: Even if it wasn't Ariana like not, there couldn't be
Speaker 1: anyone I agree with that. I was like, yet, surely
Speaker 1: someone's coming. You couldn't fly in like Pooh, he'd love
Speaker 1: to be around these game and he doesn't do this.
Speaker 1: She's never done this, not once, not in the since
Speaker 1: the begins, not since the aime Ball. She does not
Speaker 1: pull out special gets because I think she also thinks
Speaker 1: it's very important for people to associate her sharing this
Speaker 1: stage with someone else, and that only that person only
Speaker 1: being Tony Bennett for now about Bradley Cooper, Sure, and
Speaker 1: Bradley like after she's in a movie with him. But
Speaker 1: I'm say sure she didn't bring up Beyonce for telephone.
Speaker 1: Ever she brought out like, you know, fucking Florence for
Speaker 1: hey girl. You know she just doesn't do that, true
Speaker 1: little monsters. I know you're right. I ultimately was not
Speaker 1: expecting her to bring out anyone like which is why
Speaker 1: it would have been the biggest gag of Ball if
Speaker 1: she surpassed those expectations. Of course, of course the big
Speaker 1: what ba if there was a good bag them, well
Speaker 1: to gag the big too good away that is the great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if you gag too hard, now you even up.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dre some water bit Jesus Christ, Protect
Speaker 1: the voice now, protect the voice? Now? Should do our
Speaker 1: first segment? Or should we bring our guests? I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm ready to bring it out. Yeah, Carson and
Speaker 1: Ross have been waiting for minutes. Keep them in limbo,
Speaker 1: Keep them in limbo. Carson, you're a great hunt Ah
Speaker 1: style superstar, style superstar and the whole though when you
Speaker 1: just thought, when you just went, that was your Carson,
Speaker 1: It's time to be real. No, my phone's over there,
Speaker 1: but one of us can do it. I didn't get
Speaker 1: a notification that real. Okay, I make sure it's a
Speaker 1: good photo of me too. Hold on, and we don't
Speaker 1: don't cut this out in the Audio's gonna be really good.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be the little trailer re release on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Um okay, okay, so you know what something that has
Speaker 1: happened literally since we've been on hiatus. Be real quick
Speaker 1: thoughts does each go? I think it's boring, but I
Speaker 1: like it. It's boring, and it's boring now it quickly
Speaker 1: became boring, but I'll still do it. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: like I wish we'd be boring. Oh my god, real,
Speaker 1: more like bow Real. Our first segment, it's called straight Shooters,
Speaker 1: And in this segment, we gauge your familiar Oh, this
Speaker 1: is my favorite segment in We gauge your familiarity with
Speaker 1: and complicity and straight culture by asking a series of
Speaker 1: rapid fire uh questions where you have to choose one
Speaker 1: thing or another thing or intact sometimes a third thing.
Speaker 1: And the one rule is you can't ask any follow
Speaker 1: up questions about how it works. Kapeche, This is I'm
Speaker 1: not even kidding, my favorite segment in podcasting history. It's
Speaker 1: so good on the level, and I just want to
Speaker 1: say that means the world coming from you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That means so much because so many people in our
Speaker 1: podcasting life have told us we'd never be good enough,
Speaker 1: and they said you're a freak and a loser and
Speaker 1: nobody and I said, well, you just wait, because we've
Speaker 1: got a segment of our Sleeves that's gonna rock everyone's world. Honey,
Speaker 1: if they ain't pay in your bills, pay them bitches,
Speaker 1: no mind. And I just want to seyfically specifically to
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers and bone Yang, you know who paved the
Speaker 1: way for so many of us here at the office.
Speaker 1: I we noticed that what you guys did when you
Speaker 1: had guests as you asked questions, and we thought, how
Speaker 1: can we put a twist on that? What if the
Speaker 1: questions are just words? Essential? That's essential? Yeah, that's essential
Speaker 1: is um and it's and it's almost it's almost a commentary.
Speaker 1: It's a commentary on the idea of asking questions. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're so right. No, I'm not. Okay, no, No,
Speaker 1: he's obsessed taking away edging me. Okay, here here we go. Boy,
Speaker 1: it's chromatic a ball or basketball. Marjorie Taylor Green or
Speaker 1: Anya Taylor Joy, Any Taylor Joy, Anya Taylor Joy. I
Speaker 1: see dead People or I've seen Deadpool one and two.
Speaker 1: I said, so far, so far. Matt and I are
Speaker 1: in total agree. That's really cool. Bodies bodies, bodies or location, location,
Speaker 1: location location, Okay, it's true. Ignorance is bliss or knowledge
Speaker 1: is power. Ignorant you're can teller, Miles teller or if
Speaker 1: you want to tell her, tell her yourself if you
Speaker 1: want to tell her yourself, Okay, f X is the bear, Noah,
Speaker 1: bomb box, the squid in the whale or C. S
Speaker 1: Lewis's the Lion, the Witch and the wardrobe the C.
Speaker 1: S Lewis's I've not seen I'm not yet seen the bear.
Speaker 1: I apologize. Stacy's mom has got it going on? Or
Speaker 1: our father who art in heaven Hell would be thy name? Wow, Um,
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty good. I think that you got
Speaker 1: I want to say seven hundred and fifty six doubs.
Speaker 1: Not everyone can say that. Well, we have to believe
Speaker 1: the kind of logic of schoolwork. This isn't you know,
Speaker 1: we're not in class in some culture that in some
Speaker 1: cultures is seven hundreds. Something can be actually even better
Speaker 1: than than than a thousand. Well, because sometimes less is
Speaker 1: more right. That's something Lady Gaga taught me. Do you
Speaker 1: think Lady Gaga has ever thought less as more? Or
Speaker 1: did you do you think she thought, no, the piano
Speaker 1: has to well, you know you have to wear this
Speaker 1: bug costume. Shallow the bug costume. Can we have to
Speaker 1: talk about the bug costume? While she's saying shallow, that
Speaker 1: was really something. It was sell it was dragon ball z.
Speaker 1: I love. It's not really about wearing the bug costume.
Speaker 1: It is about wearing the bug mask for Shallow and
Speaker 1: then taking it off and being like and now we're done,
Speaker 1: and being like that was specifically for Shallow. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like for this chapter of the concert. I actually was
Speaker 1: dressed as a bug just for Shallow, and she took
Speaker 1: it off so she could get real to always remember us,
Speaker 1: because it was it would be disrespectful to sing always
Speaker 1: remember us this way. Dedicated to Tony Bennett's wife dressed
Speaker 1: as a man of the Wasp. Yeah, well, I actually
Speaker 1: think I do see a segue from the bug to
Speaker 1: our topic. Yeah, should we tell you? Yeah? Okay? Our
Speaker 1: topic is the is and randomness? Randomness? Wow, but on
Speaker 1: the graphic, you guy, You guys can do awkwardness and
Speaker 1: then like in smaller and a smaller font and random
Speaker 1: and random, don't I don't want to random disease because
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like parenthetical, but I think it's like, um,
Speaker 1: a subhead, it's a cola. Yeah, well one implies the other.
Speaker 1: And please please listen to Bowen when he says that,
Speaker 1: because he has a very visual eye, and he needs it.
Speaker 1: He needs it to make sense visually, just like I
Speaker 1: need things to make sense. Sonically, Bowen is the eyes
Speaker 1: and I am the ears. You understand which one of them?
Speaker 1: Do you understand which one of us is the eyes?
Speaker 1: On which one of us is the ears? Would you say,
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, I don't know. It's pretty balanced. I think well,
Speaker 1: canonically Sam is the mat on the mat and George
Speaker 1: is the bowen. Yeah, sure, yea. Or which makes you
Speaker 1: the Sam is the salmon and George is the George.
Speaker 1: I would know because I would say that I'm the Sam.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like who are you? Who are you?
Speaker 1: You're not paying one thing over the other, You are
Speaker 1: simply trying one thing over the other. And it's also
Speaker 1: like to sit there and say like it's like even
Speaker 1: just like bring up bones, like visual eye, it's like
Speaker 1: we're we are like Matt and I are both wearing
Speaker 1: tank tops on the zoom and Georgia are both sort
Speaker 1: of like in like kind of well lit, clean white
Speaker 1: spaces with like and just scurried away and showed he
Speaker 1: was wearing underwear. Georgia, are you wearing only underwear? I'm
Speaker 1: actually wearing a loungewear from H and m Oh. I
Speaker 1: love that brand. Um so our topic. I'm wearing underwear,
Speaker 1: are you Yeah, I'm gonna tank top and underwear. Well,
Speaker 1: we actually didn't have sex because I had to say
Speaker 1: it with me Molly Dick. But but we really enjoyed
Speaker 1: each other. That's all really good. Sometimes enjoying each other
Speaker 1: is sex. You know. I really like just kissing. Do
Speaker 1: you people love kissing? I love kissing. I love being
Speaker 1: so romantic. I love like making out in a ball
Speaker 1: when you gegast and the whole world. Okay, let's hear.
Speaker 1: Let's I wanna. I wanna. I want to hear a
Speaker 1: kind of maybe not so much a definition. I want
Speaker 1: to put you on the spot, but kind of what
Speaker 1: you think of when you think of randomness and awkwardness.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, why it is a
Speaker 1: straight topic to you? I think on a sensibility level,
Speaker 1: like awkwardness and randomness are paired together because they um
Speaker 1: acknowledge how little sense the world makes, which is great,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't cope with it in any way except
Speaker 1: to say that's awkward or that's random. And then I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: Sam Tagget when I first met him, what was like
Speaker 1: ten years ago, like with someone who clued me into
Speaker 1: like this bit of like going okay, like that's like
Speaker 1: I think that that kind of like in a nut
Speaker 1: shell sums up awkward randomness, Like it's like, oh, no comment,
Speaker 1: you know, like that kind of thing. Sure, sure, sure
Speaker 1: think that straight people. And to talk about this decade again,
Speaker 1: the twenty they sort of could feel that queer was
Speaker 1: going to become very cool, and they were like, what's
Speaker 1: the way that we can be queer? Oh, not make
Speaker 1: any sense? So they started to do like so you know,
Speaker 1: they started to get like a little awkward and random
Speaker 1: because it threw a wrench into ordinariness. And I think
Speaker 1: that they started to sort of be awkward and random
Speaker 1: professionally and commercially because I think that it was the
Speaker 1: closest they could get to be in queer. Interesting. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're saying awkward and random was the painting of
Speaker 1: the fingernails of It's interesting because I think there are
Speaker 1: two rotations of this. It's like, on the one hand,
Speaker 1: you have what you're talking about, like awkward and random
Speaker 1: humor were I'm thinking Napoleon Dynamite? Yes, that's perfect okay.
Speaker 1: And then on the other hand, to me, another element
Speaker 1: of this is like seeing something and interpreting it as
Speaker 1: awkward in random, like seeing something out in the world,
Speaker 1: and to me, what that is is you are uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but you don't want to work on that, so you
Speaker 1: just put a name on it, call it random, call
Speaker 1: it awkward, and then you don't have to deal with
Speaker 1: it exactly. If someone is like saying something to you
Speaker 1: that is making you question something, or or like that's
Speaker 1: something you haven't heard before, something that is new, then
Speaker 1: you can just kind of be like, oh, that's so random,
Speaker 1: instead of being like, well, maybe hear that person out.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're just not understanding. Maybe it's random to you
Speaker 1: because you've never challenged yourself in your life. The dismissiveness
Speaker 1: of random, the dismissiveness of and yes, this is this
Speaker 1: is this is one of the most amazing conversations I've
Speaker 1: ever or had. I'm not joking academic, it's very academic,
Speaker 1: but it is. I do think that is the that
Speaker 1: is the issue with I think is that the world
Speaker 1: was changing too fast for people to make sense of it.
Speaker 1: The only way they could was by calling things random
Speaker 1: and awkward, right, and not coping and not just moving on.
Speaker 1: But I think that's where like the humor comes from,
Speaker 1: because it's like, so Sudie Green was telling me about
Speaker 1: this roommate she had her freshman year of college, where um,
Speaker 1: the way she laughed was to go like this, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? Every time she laughed said what the funk
Speaker 1: at the end, And I think that's that's what the fuck?
Speaker 1: That is straightness, That that is a straight way of
Speaker 1: like understanding the world of or of reacting to something. Yes,
Speaker 1: because it is you are not even allowing yourself the
Speaker 1: vulnerability of laughing. You are immediately painting yourself as superior
Speaker 1: because you're actually by saying what the funk? You are
Speaker 1: like what is that? Like, I'm I'm better than that.
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to address that, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: just laugh. Yeah. I wonder if that was freshman year.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that was like it's free. I wonder
Speaker 1: if that was like a freshman year thing of like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to have a thing or this is something
Speaker 1: I'm picking up right now because I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 1: Hashtag awkward not comfortable. Maybe they were the awkward one
Speaker 1: and I would really want to check in with that
Speaker 1: girl to see if she still does that, because if
Speaker 1: she does and that's actually what she does, like that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, naturally how she laughs and expresses that she
Speaker 1: finds something funny. That person needs to be studied. And
Speaker 1: there could be a hundred people in a room, but
Speaker 1: there can only be one that's that random. Yeah. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: here's the question I have, because you know, we're lumping
Speaker 1: these two things together. Can a person be awkward without
Speaker 1: being random? Can a person be random without being awkward?
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, if they're awkward all the time, it's not random. Wow, wow,
Speaker 1: I kind of love it. What what she's actually a
Speaker 1: slight Unfortunately, that's actually queer. It's it's given. It is
Speaker 1: giving Napoleon dynamite in a way, like I could. I
Speaker 1: feel like the character that was missing and Napoleon Dynamite
Speaker 1: was the one that was like I love it actually,
Speaker 1: Um wait, wait can somebody random without being awkward? Um? Yes, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't need to explore that one for that Okay,
Speaker 1: my next thought okay, here here this one out. Okay,
Speaker 1: and for my next thought, okay, so people in the
Speaker 1: twenty tens, I think it was sort of the top
Speaker 1: down thing. I think the media was telling them that
Speaker 1: it was noble to be awkward and in them, and
Speaker 1: so people that were like maybe feeling a little outsider
Speaker 1: leaned into it because they were like, actually, if i'm
Speaker 1: if I own it, if I have awkward and random pride,
Speaker 1: I'm actually the intellectual in this place. I'm actually the
Speaker 1: humorous one, and I'm the hero of this story. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that caused sun Dance movies that caused Hitchfork albums
Speaker 1: that caused uh yeah, I mean even just like Zoey
Speaker 1: Deschanel in her version one. I mean it caused blog
Speaker 1: culture that caused everything. It caused like too much personality
Speaker 1: and headlines. It's everything, and I feel like it has
Speaker 1: I forgive. The usage of the term trickled down into
Speaker 1: gen z behavior where it's like, oh, we're proud of
Speaker 1: being like like they take pride or power in feeling
Speaker 1: like antisocial even more so than like we were in Yes,
Speaker 1: I think almost we've swung too far in the other
Speaker 1: direction where now o um, randomness and awkwardness were reclaimed
Speaker 1: to such a degree yes, that you kind of want
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, let's rein it back in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's it's one thing to
Speaker 1: be random, and it's another thing to just not make
Speaker 1: any fucking sense. Like if you don't make any sense,
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like I'm gonna walk away from you.
Speaker 1: I would even say random. I would even say a
Speaker 1: perfect example of someone in the Twenty Times who was
Speaker 1: in the twenty Times it was random but not awkward
Speaker 1: was Gaga when she first started out like Kermit the
Speaker 1: frog dress, like all these crazy things. You're like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? But she wasn't being awkward about it. She
Speaker 1: was like committing herself to the bed while being random,
Speaker 1: and it always made sense to her. It was random
Speaker 1: to us, but it was always a comment, yes, but
Speaker 1: do you know when? Do you know what? The one
Speaker 1: thing she did that was interpreted as awkward? Joe Calderone,
Speaker 1: that was awkward? That was that was I was that
Speaker 1: was not just random random and not even random, not
Speaker 1: even random. Joe Caldron was the definition of when when
Speaker 1: randomness and awkwardness combine, that's when you get to cringe.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, my my thesis. Okay, maybe Matt's the
Speaker 1: George so Um. Really I think we really excavated something.
Speaker 1: I understand the world better now. I really wait, I
Speaker 1: just want to as a counter you know things now
Speaker 1: that I didn't know then. Then. Okay, So if if
Speaker 1: random and Awkward are straight, does that mean normal he
Speaker 1: is gay? Wow? I think I think there's a NORMI
Speaker 1: counterculture in gig culture right now. Not even a counter culture.
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's just a cultures. Your genius.
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, but I like awkward and random
Speaker 1: are normally countercultures. So it's not like they're not normal.
Speaker 1: They are offshoots of normal. The fact that awkward and
Speaker 1: random exist it makes the normal hegemony stronger. Wow. For
Speaker 1: awkward and random to exist, because it only props it
Speaker 1: up more totally, Awkward and random is have to Awkward
Speaker 1: and random have to exist in opposition to something, and
Speaker 1: that's something is and that entire ecosystem is straight. It's
Speaker 1: not like one is queer and one is straight. The
Speaker 1: entire ecosystem of normal and then normal and then things
Speaker 1: in opposition to normal. I'm gonna draw it out. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna draw it out. Yes, okay, okay, so it's an
Speaker 1: even diagram. Um, this is where boonen is the eyes
Speaker 1: and then okay, so you see, awkward and normal are
Speaker 1: two separate circles, but they are in the and diagram
Speaker 1: the bigger than diagram. I'm taking a screenshot so that
Speaker 1: we can post this, and I do think, I do
Speaker 1: think what would you could do is you can make
Speaker 1: those circles in her lap and in the middle. Is
Speaker 1: cringe because cringe is at the heart of straight it
Speaker 1: is you know Bowen. Have you considered making them in
Speaker 1: her lap? Yea, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna think about
Speaker 1: doing that. Wait, awkward and normal overlapping is not cringe.
Speaker 1: You were saying awkward and random, right, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: may being not the eyes. I was having a difficult
Speaker 1: time to see. Oh I see what you're saying so random? Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's random. Yeah, okay, thank you. And this is cringe. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right. I'm like, you're literally making like a map
Speaker 1: for the beginning of some sort of book. I think
Speaker 1: we write this, I need an oral history from Napoleon
Speaker 1: Dynamite to Juno. Well, so you're going more prestige also
Speaker 1: where it's like there is also like yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think of Napoleon Dynamite as prestige, but I think random
Speaker 1: and I love them and they they raised me in
Speaker 1: many ways. But I think you can't talk about random
Speaker 1: without talking about Lonely Island. I loved I do like
Speaker 1: hot Rod, Like hot Rod was almost peak Internet random
Speaker 1: humor because like in a commercial like do you remember
Speaker 1: like cool Beans remix while in the middle of hot Rod,
Speaker 1: It's not It's not Lonely Islands. You know what the
Speaker 1: awkward random origin is what Homestar Runner. Wow, you're damn
Speaker 1: so fucking correct. Okay, here is my This is my
Speaker 1: origin of awkward and random. That is like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, it's like this professor that studies really kind
Speaker 1: of niche things and it's and it's going to say something.
Speaker 1: Really are you ready? It is them. It is the
Speaker 1: Amanda show sketch the Girl's Room where one of the
Speaker 1: girls always says, I like eggs. Oh my god. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's it does come for awkwardness and randomness. It's the
Speaker 1: the generation that was old enough to appreciate Napoleon Dynamite
Speaker 1: and like high school their children shows were the kind
Speaker 1: of things that were like eggs, like like Gill, like Gilly,
Speaker 1: like being such a thing for so long was because
Speaker 1: people in their childhood had a trauma because they were
Speaker 1: watching kids shows where it was like I like eggs
Speaker 1: or or or And in fact, I'm not realizing so
Speaker 1: much of the Amanda Show was like that, the one
Speaker 1: where she would always like, whack Drake Bell in the
Speaker 1: face a hill billion moment, moment, another um. Remember Laurie
Speaker 1: best Denberg that that fucking segment on all that that
Speaker 1: was this full slate But it was random. Okay, how
Speaker 1: about the Andy Milanaka show Final Infamation? Yes, random and
Speaker 1: so much MTV programming at the time, and we love them,
Speaker 1: but we hate them for what they did to our friends.
Speaker 1: But like adults swim stuff and back in the day
Speaker 1: like Aquitine Hunger Force, I was like, oh, random, it's
Speaker 1: the fries are talking to the meatballs or what you know, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, this is tough. This is to like
Speaker 1: good Burger, like Arrange Soda, Yes exactly. It's like, what
Speaker 1: is the joke with who loves Range soda killers? Arrange Soda?
Speaker 1: I do? I do? I do? That's funny, very random.
Speaker 1: You know what else this is bringing? Wait, this is
Speaker 1: actually I'm having a huge insight. Okay, I'm actually scarchedes
Speaker 1: that this is related to the over reliance on just references,
Speaker 1: Like just because something is a reference doesn't make it
Speaker 1: interesting or funny or insightful, but it does make it random.
Speaker 1: If you just reference something, it's and that's like the
Speaker 1: orange soda thing, It's like, okay, great, now we know
Speaker 1: this is a joke. Whenever they mentioned orange soda, you
Speaker 1: just know to laugh. Yeah, yeah, can I Can I
Speaker 1: be really random right now? Yeah, if you're not awkward.
Speaker 1: We found out that Trump has violated the Espionage Act.
Speaker 1: They did find top top secret info at Maral large.
Speaker 1: Are you reading Twitter while you're on you? No? No,
Speaker 1: no no. My literally popped up on my phone as
Speaker 1: a notification, and I literally it was like this, and
Speaker 1: then it went it lit up like that because I
Speaker 1: saw the news headline can I tell you something, Matt?
Speaker 1: When I saw your face change, I thought you were
Speaker 1: offended because I made a light joke about you saying
Speaker 1: um interlap. And I literally this entire time thought that
Speaker 1: you were mad at me because I said that. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you. I said interlap you. He
Speaker 1: said that, so he was mad at you. I've been
Speaker 1: thinking this entire time how much I love you. I've
Speaker 1: actually been thinking at this entire time, especially last night,
Speaker 1: and I was so excited. I was like, I love
Speaker 1: everyone here. I'm sorry to be a fucking idiot, but
Speaker 1: I loved everyone last night. I actually and when you
Speaker 1: when you guys had your when you guys had your
Speaker 1: earnest moment in the beginning, I loved that last night.
Speaker 1: I felt an overwhelming almost Um. I would say it
Speaker 1: was almost a sadness in the knowledge that I will
Speaker 1: never be able to express to each person how much
Speaker 1: they mean to me. It was so special. Will last
Speaker 1: night and I had a very we had a nice moment,
Speaker 1: nice moment, quick quick quick things in each other's ears,
Speaker 1: very quick affirmations of love to each other. It's very important.
Speaker 1: It's very important. You gotta do. I can't recommend it enough.
Speaker 1: And you guys did that earlier, and it was so beautiful.
Speaker 1: Even if it was sort of a little bit of
Speaker 1: a joke, I knew it was real. Sam and I
Speaker 1: have been doing it more and more. I would say.
Speaker 1: I also like there was just something. I mean, when
Speaker 1: I'm in a room with Sam, I feel safer. Oh,
Speaker 1: It's true. That is the ultimate carbon starts now. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I do feel like I have to explain
Speaker 1: less to George and he just sort of understands. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's where I'm coming from. It's really nice. Earnestness is
Speaker 1: the least awkward. Sometimes it can be awkward, but it's
Speaker 1: the least random thing. Well, you know that awkward if
Speaker 1: the receiving party is not committing to list honey. You know,
Speaker 1: Awkwardness and randomness are literally a reaction to being genuine
Speaker 1: and being real, like fear. It is a complete fear
Speaker 1: based response. So like, yeah, of course, it's like why
Speaker 1: is Napoleon Dynamite written like that? Or why is sorry
Speaker 1: Juno written like that? Because they can't say what they mean.
Speaker 1: But by the end, Juno does say what she means exactly,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's my point, you know what, if you know,
Speaker 1: you know what my favorite my favorite part of Juno
Speaker 1: is at the end when um, she says to Michael
Speaker 1: Sarah like, I just like you're you don't even really try.
Speaker 1: You're so cool and you don't even really try, And
Speaker 1: he says, I try really hard. Actually, you know I
Speaker 1: actually you're right, and I completely take back my examples.
Speaker 1: It's what is a good example of what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's like using it as a defense mechanism, like using
Speaker 1: awkwardness and randomness as a defense mechanism of Juno does
Speaker 1: that the character of Juno, I would say, it's even like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's almost like the ethos of the movie rather than
Speaker 1: the actual movie itself. It's like, yes, there's a certain distance,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't let you in too close, which I
Speaker 1: guess is why it works ultimately because then it's even
Speaker 1: more rewarding at the end when they do get earnest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's sort of a sort of a commentary on random
Speaker 1: not not the song. They sing a song with each other,
Speaker 1: which is the most intimate thing you can do. Like,
Speaker 1: they sing a song together, which is so you know what,
Speaker 1: that song is peak random in terms of the lyrical content.
Speaker 1: The political content is random, and and for your band
Speaker 1: to be called the multi Peaches is random. But they
Speaker 1: were but that that they had a shared sense of
Speaker 1: humor and they were sharing it with each other, and
Speaker 1: there is intimacy that they're also supposed to be children.
Speaker 1: Their flawed, they're dumb, they're supposed to have bad, bad
Speaker 1: taste and whatever. We're almost like, okay, not everything is random.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like we're sort of putting
Speaker 1: everything in random, and it's like some things are weird
Speaker 1: and that's different than random. Actually, um and Sam is pet.
Speaker 1: Sam is really mad. No, this is wh try to
Speaker 1: pour my heart out to him. He's like, first of all, bitch,
Speaker 1: not everything is random. First of all, I think I
Speaker 1: think we can look. It's my job in this podcast
Speaker 1: sometimes stop us from getting carried away because it can
Speaker 1: start to feel like you know, yes, that that that that,
Speaker 1: and it's like, actually, not all that. Sometimes, Like I
Speaker 1: think we're a lot of humor and some humor is silly,
Speaker 1: but not in here random. I love silly. I love silly.
Speaker 1: I love of course, I mean it's politically necessary. I
Speaker 1: love silly. I love stupid. I don't really like awkward.
Speaker 1: I don't like awkward or random. Um okay, wait, I
Speaker 1: have on do you count? Like i'd say, like Nathan
Speaker 1: for you is awkward, but it's awkward done really well
Speaker 1: the way I was going to say that exact same thing.
Speaker 1: It's awkward. Yeah, it's like it's awkward sort of in
Speaker 1: the same space as like improv, where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: when it's bad, it's horrible. But when it's good, it
Speaker 1: is sort of magical. But it's awkward in a very
Speaker 1: controlled way, in a way that is that leaves you
Speaker 1: watching it questioning the reality of things. I think it
Speaker 1: transcends awkward. I don't think awkward is the right label.
Speaker 1: I do think it is a It is a commentary
Speaker 1: on awkward in random much like Juno. Nathan for You
Speaker 1: is very much the Juno of show that's been off
Speaker 1: the Airplaime for Yeah, okay, no see Nathan for You
Speaker 1: is cringe okay, okay, okait. Neither of you uses cringe
Speaker 1: to comment on awkward. It takes awkward to the most
Speaker 1: heightened place so that you see the truth. And also
Speaker 1: it's it's not using it's not um it's not using
Speaker 1: awkwardness as a crutch like many of these things that
Speaker 1: we are. It's not using awkwardness. It's about awkwardness like
Speaker 1: it is an investigation of awkwardness more so than relying
Speaker 1: on awkwardness as a crutch because at a loss for
Speaker 1: other things exactly, And a perfect example is an early
Speaker 1: episode of Nathan for You where he works with a
Speaker 1: gas station attendant and then it goes great and at
Speaker 1: the very end the gas station attendant out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: starts talking about how he drinks his grandson's peace sometimes,
Speaker 1: and it comes it really comes out of nowhere. And
Speaker 1: then Nathan Fielder like, I think, I think, I think
Speaker 1: this is a real moment, but it's one of those
Speaker 1: things in the show where you're like, is this real?
Speaker 1: But Nathan Fielder, the real person is like wait what,
Speaker 1: Like what are you talking about? And that is awkward, random,
Speaker 1: and cringe, all three. It's all three and one thing,
Speaker 1: the holy trinity, the awkward, random, and cringe, and no
Speaker 1: one's done it since The Office. Thank you Steve Correll,
Speaker 1: Thank you you are an icon everything coun this is awkward. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that is actually such a great example that that we
Speaker 1: hadn't touched on is actually mockumentary in general is like
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, like when done well, Like to me,
Speaker 1: Christopher guests, movies are like the biggest pleasure. It's like
Speaker 1: the perfect movies because, much like Nathan for you, they
Speaker 1: actually are. It's about the subject of those things rather
Speaker 1: than using them as crutches. Whereas The Office at its worst,
Speaker 1: not always at its worst, is just using awkwardness and randomness, well,
Speaker 1: it uses it as like a sprinkle, because like I
Speaker 1: think The Office is a good show, and then like
Speaker 1: like I need like way less of Jim being like random,
Speaker 1: like weird, Like Jim is one of the worst parts
Speaker 1: of right, And I feel bad saying that because you
Speaker 1: kind of need him to even have the Office because
Speaker 1: like it's so like when you think of the Office,
Speaker 1: like probably top three things you think about is Jim
Speaker 1: looking at the camera. Like but but Jim is Jim
Speaker 1: is awkward, and Dwight is random? Yes yeah, and Michael
Speaker 1: mc correct yes. Wow. Wait, one tiny little footnote is
Speaker 1: about when we were talking about improv briefly. Improv in fact,
Speaker 1: is the definition of random because it's literally give us
Speaker 1: a topic. Like it's literally pick a random thing and
Speaker 1: then build something around it. Yeah. Wait, I have a question. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think John Grazinski is hot? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I don't either. I mean, he seems lovely, just doesn't
Speaker 1: He just doesn't do it for me. But it's fine.
Speaker 1: Much like many of these I heard, he is not lovely.
Speaker 1: I heard he's there. Yeah, that's what I've heard. Joys
Speaker 1: Juma says he's an absolute and that's fact checked. I
Speaker 1: do think that much like many of these guys and
Speaker 1: this is I'm not saying anything new, but I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was hot when it was like a surprise that
Speaker 1: he was hot. He's not hot now that he's like
Speaker 1: funded by the CIA. Yeah, like to look at him
Speaker 1: in the office and be like, you know what kind
Speaker 1: of round them that I find him hot now that
Speaker 1: it's awkward? That's awkward, Not awkward considering I'm sitting with
Speaker 1: my wife. You know what's weird? Like it's like the
Speaker 1: Office had John Krasinski become hot leading man, and Parks
Speaker 1: and Rec had Chris Pratt become hot leading man. But
Speaker 1: we're not seeing anything from uh, thirty Rock? Where is
Speaker 1: the hot leading man from thirty Rock? Why isn't Jack
Speaker 1: mcbreer in the Marvel cinemat in what I want to know?
Speaker 1: You know who? I think That's really what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it is so hot and truly,
Speaker 1: like is just whatever is so hot? Is Jonathan from
Speaker 1: thirty Rock? Molly Pincholi a sweetheart in real life? And
Speaker 1: is I'm so attracted to him deeply and I want
Speaker 1: to say, like Juilliard, like he's like a really wonderful
Speaker 1: wait which Panchol Jonathan. Oh wait wait, we started his
Speaker 1: career as hot leading man. No, well that's someone who
Speaker 1: started his career as a hot leading man. The premise
Speaker 1: of what I was saying, Hans, if you listen, was
Speaker 1: that it's someone from the show who then became a
Speaker 1: hot leading man. It's someone it's someone that like was
Speaker 1: not put there to be hot. And then people were like, wait,
Speaker 1: that person is hot, right, yeah, thanks, but thanks. I
Speaker 1: you're gonna get glimpse into my relationship with Hans, which
Speaker 1: is really a very flirt very flirting. God, I had
Speaker 1: no idea. It's sort of random when you are wanting
Speaker 1: to flirt with someone and you're nasty to them, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I guess I was thinking, it's
Speaker 1: more like sounds like illegal, Like it's like you're like
Speaker 1: flirting with like a co worker, you know what it
Speaker 1: means like sounds like yeah, it sounds like we should
Speaker 1: call nine one one and not the one in CHROMATICA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm talking jail time, darling. Kim Petra said a problematique,
Speaker 1: problematique that should be my album. When what are we
Speaker 1: gonna do about her? There's no time? Matt, can you
Speaker 1: say that again, Problematique. That should be my album? What
Speaker 1: the fuck? I mean, why are we laughing? Why are
Speaker 1: we laughing? We laughing at the metal amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Are we laughing on on a meta level at Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: I think the funny thing is that there is this
Speaker 1: person sudo knows that did that. It's not like that's
Speaker 1: the funny thing. But also there's, um, there's an SNL
Speaker 1: sketch that I think is also I'm sorry but this
Speaker 1: is before my time, But there's o Cecily Strong and
Speaker 1: Scarlett Johansson dressed up in like nerdy clothes going to
Speaker 1: a museum. They're like going in front of this dinosaur
Speaker 1: skeleton and then like you know, someone's explaining what the
Speaker 1: dinosaur is, and then both of them it's pieces of
Speaker 1: pot and both of them are like, okay, giant, what
Speaker 1: have we been? A giant turt under the dino? And
Speaker 1: everyone's to be like, um, that happened, you know, Like
Speaker 1: it's like, but why are we laughing at that? Because
Speaker 1: we're laughing at that kind of the idea because those
Speaker 1: people are so yeah, we know those people, and they're
Speaker 1: like annoying, and we wanted someone to make fun of
Speaker 1: them for a long time and also the pig, So
Speaker 1: that so that happened is actually what we were saying
Speaker 1: of like seeing something that, seeing something that makes you
Speaker 1: uncomfortable or is somehow um foreign, and then not knowing
Speaker 1: bring it down to your level by being like Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess so uh are we all we all saw that?
Speaker 1: And those people that those people thinking they're funny. It
Speaker 1: drives me crazy, like just being like, well that happened,
Speaker 1: like okay, don't sell you that again, or like that
Speaker 1: kind of like jokes. So I guess that's not a joke. Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess we're having this converse. It's very like Midwestern
Speaker 1: like barbecue humor. My mom, you always go to the
Speaker 1: Midwest when you want to sell something. Honey, I've earned it,
Speaker 1: I've spent my time there. I I don't need it anymore.
Speaker 1: I know. It's just I guess I'm always thinking like
Speaker 1: my parents friends and like the ones that I think
Speaker 1: they're funny. I'm always like, oh no, here we go.
Speaker 1: It hurts every time. Sorry, sorry if sorry, if you're okay,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this podcast and you're my parents friend,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you're not funny. But you're not funny period.
Speaker 1: And if you listen to this and your instinct just
Speaker 1: to go, well, he said that that happened. That happen,
Speaker 1: you're proving his point. Stupid, stupid, idiot, fool, go back
Speaker 1: to Costco my parents. So what are the so so,
Speaker 1: what are the correct ways to react to things? I
Speaker 1: feel this way? I feel sad, I feel happy, I
Speaker 1: feel scared. Yeah, be honest about your feelings for once.
Speaker 1: It's Renee Brown. Label the feeling because then it shapes
Speaker 1: the experience. Okay, just say how you feel, because the
Speaker 1: word bingo defines the experience theory. Because guess what by
Speaker 1: saying so that happened, you're literally taking making yourself even
Speaker 1: you're putting even more distance between what between you and
Speaker 1: what you were experiencing you should be putting's gonna always
Speaker 1: remember something this way? If you say, well, that happened
Speaker 1: every single time, Like to always remember something this way,
Speaker 1: you have to have a way, like not just the
Speaker 1: way you not just a standard. Even just saying after
Speaker 1: something happens, I'll always remember us this way. That locks
Speaker 1: it in. Yeah, that's it is. It is literally the
Speaker 1: opposite of so that happened, because imagine if literally what
Speaker 1: was his name in the movie, Jackson Maine, if if
Speaker 1: Jackson Mane pissed himself on stage with the Grammys and
Speaker 1: Ali literally just gonna so I guess that happened. Okay wait,
Speaker 1: but if it actually happened, I would be laughing. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the funniest thing I have ever seen. It
Speaker 1: cuts to her happened like and then just one part
Speaker 1: where she's like, um, I guess this is adulting, like
Speaker 1: with make you laugh, So major plot point in any
Speaker 1: movie with that Titanic thinking, uh, that that happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I guess we're sinking now do you know you
Speaker 1: literally do you know what we're literally describing? What? Say
Speaker 1: it with me? Marvel? Oh my god? Really this is
Speaker 1: what Marvel is. Marvel is the ultimate triumph of awkward
Speaker 1: and random random. Yes, yes, the Celestia stone is being
Speaker 1: combined with them gruber biotics sense and we have to
Speaker 1: go and then like literally you'll cut to a raccoon
Speaker 1: exactly like right, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I am groot Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: I am. I am Guardians. I hate Guardians and Boone
Speaker 1: and I famously out of Guardians of the Galaxy of
Speaker 1: Volume one, because if I had to hear that tree
Speaker 1: so I am groot one more time and people will
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, that is so funny. He
Speaker 1: is grout, it's all he said. That is so stupid.
Speaker 1: I mean, I am group. The concept of I am
Speaker 1: grout is one of the most politically regressive things aesthetically
Speaker 1: that has ever happened in our culture. The fact that
Speaker 1: I am meant to find it funny that a tree
Speaker 1: says I am grout, not to be the autumn ale,
Speaker 1: but guardians is a slay it. And also, I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: but they're also trying what they're trying when they bring
Speaker 1: out like baby Grout, because now there's this thing of like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're re energizing because something is a baby now, like
Speaker 1: baby Yoda. And it worked with baby Yoda because it's
Speaker 1: so baby grouty, because something is a baby now. Her
Speaker 1: name is grow gu Say her name and she grow Goo.
Speaker 1: Is the cutest thing that's ever been made and ever
Speaker 1: it is a triumph of artistry of puppetry of cinema.
Speaker 1: Is so figure you. Everyone needs everyone needs a baby
Speaker 1: grow group. Everyone needs one, Like honestly, it's there it's
Speaker 1: amazing to bring on a vacation. You can dress them
Speaker 1: up like Baby Yoda slash grow Goo is something that
Speaker 1: like I would love, like I would like to tell
Speaker 1: my past self about, like I'd be like, hold on, baby,
Speaker 1: because in a few years there's gonna be a baby
Speaker 1: Yoda and you're gonna love it. Yeah, earnestly, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy that baby Yoda exists. I really am. I it's
Speaker 1: so important. Yeah, I think baby Yoda. We haven't really
Speaker 1: seen this type of um like sort of fantasia around
Speaker 1: like a toy since tickle Me almost and this one
Speaker 1: and this one wasn't gonna kill you pickle me Alma
Speaker 1: was killing people. Say that, oh, given just to all
Speaker 1: the kids. And then the parents said the kids. So
Speaker 1: I guess that's normal now. I would go, well, dollars later,
Speaker 1: five dollars later, and my kid is dead. I need
Speaker 1: a drink. I need a cocktail. Honey, where's the bar.
Speaker 1: That's another like like like that, honey, where's the bar? Huh,
Speaker 1: where's the bar? I don't need a cocktail yesterday? Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean we need to leave it. We need to
Speaker 1: leave this planet yesterday. Yes, I love that. I love
Speaker 1: those types of people. They're they're fun to me. But George,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking about? George? Isn't no, you're like so,
Speaker 1: I truly am just I would say, I would say intellectually,
Speaker 1: the things that have been put into my brain throughout
Speaker 1: this recording are making it about to burst your exhaust.
Speaker 1: It's been very stimulating. This is I'm sorry to say.
Speaker 1: Everyone is making such good points and I and I
Speaker 1: and I feel this almost coked out energy of having
Speaker 1: me up. No no, no, we we we can slow
Speaker 1: it down, we can pump the I mean no, no, no, no, please,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. Oh, trust me. Intellectual intellectual
Speaker 1: intellectual rigor is his wine. Don't talk to me until
Speaker 1: I've had my intellectual rigor. Honey, where's the library? That's
Speaker 1: what George is saying. I've actually been dying for an
Speaker 1: ic coffee this whole time, and now it's like three,
Speaker 1: but I slept until literally, so this is still my morning.
Speaker 1: What do I do? I asked my I just want
Speaker 1: to say your morning can look like anything. Yeah, And honestly,
Speaker 1: a night coffee is one of those beautiful things you
Speaker 1: can get. I love the night coffee. Um should we wait?
Speaker 1: I think we have to do our final segment, which
Speaker 1: is actually crazy because we have another recording. Actually, who
Speaker 1: are you recording with next? Wouldn't you like to know?
Speaker 1: You told us yesterday who it was? Shut up? I forgot,
Speaker 1: but I forgot. It's really like if someone you both
Speaker 1: really like someone that will um believe? Have you believe in?
Speaker 1: Gagging is the future? Whitney whitney wag with somebody I
Speaker 1: want to slate with somebody just coming on the post
Speaker 1: you put that out is toxic. We're gonna dub that,
Speaker 1: um happen. No, that's that's deadpool humor, which is talk
Speaker 1: about toxic, which is where random meets cruelty. We're actually
Speaker 1: just actually, we're gonna just bleep the name that Matt
Speaker 1: said so that we can witness the aftermath while not
Speaker 1: offending anyone. Can I tell you guys one more one
Speaker 1: more awkward thing? Yes, yes, okay, So this is the
Speaker 1: secondhand story. But um, from one of the movers my
Speaker 1: when I used to work as a mover, there was
Speaker 1: this guy who loved, like, got all of his humor
Speaker 1: from sort of internet culture and it was really bad.
Speaker 1: But he was talking to the client and he was
Speaker 1: talking about how like this couch was gonna like be
Speaker 1: kind of difficult to get into the hallway and it
Speaker 1: was going to fit awkwardly. And he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be pretty awkward, like Deadpool meeting Deadpool. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I like that premise. I like that. I don't like
Speaker 1: how Yeah, I actually hate every single part. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find something to like about it because he seems
Speaker 1: nice and well, here's what I like about it. I
Speaker 1: like the effort. I like that he wrote it. That
Speaker 1: was a pre written joke. He was on his way,
Speaker 1: you know, he woke up in the morning and was like,
Speaker 1: you know, what if if nothing else today, I am
Speaker 1: going to the land this joke, and here we are
Speaker 1: talking about it. And in some ways he did, Hey,
Speaker 1: well behaved. Um movers rarely make history, and he made
Speaker 1: a splash that day. And love him or hate him,
Speaker 1: it's still an obsession. You know, I'm going to reference
Speaker 1: that reference humor. Here we go, Um, okay, let's do
Speaker 1: our final segment. All right, what's the Let's do the
Speaker 1: final segment. It's my favorite segment in podcasting history. Our
Speaker 1: final se shout outs and then we give a shout
Speaker 1: out to anything that we enjoy sort of in the
Speaker 1: classic style of imagine it's two hausnan't one, and you're
Speaker 1: at t r L and time scores, shouting out to
Speaker 1: your squad back home. Anything that you like, give it
Speaker 1: a shout out, George, do you have one? I could
Speaker 1: like really wing it. It's actually I just want to
Speaker 1: say it is by design that we don't think of
Speaker 1: the as ahead of time, because otherwise they wouldn't be spontaneous.
Speaker 1: So no one can be mad at us that we
Speaker 1: quote unquote had two months to prepare for the quote
Speaker 1: unquote first episode of the season. Yeah, but here's I'm
Speaker 1: going to do one that is actually so basic that
Speaker 1: it is a commentary on being basic. Everyone ready, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up? Listeners and walk him the season three of
Speaker 1: the pod. I want to get a quick shout out
Speaker 1: to Soaking Beans. This is something that feels very you.
Speaker 1: You might say feels very U or maybe twenty six
Speaker 1: or seventeen. It's something people, you know, it's something you
Speaker 1: read the Alice in Roman newsletter. Let's say, and and
Speaker 1: she says and she and she kind of makes it
Speaker 1: a thing of like don't yell at me, I don't
Speaker 1: soak beans. Sorry, and then you're like, oh, interesting, I
Speaker 1: guess our debates happening about these and parts of the
Speaker 1: internet where people don't have to worry about other topics.
Speaker 1: But here's what I will tell you, listener, is that
Speaker 1: I just soaked beans for the first time, made them
Speaker 1: the other week. And guess what the girl is all right,
Speaker 1: I have never had a creamier linea bean in my life.
Speaker 1: I made a completely improvised white beans salad and had
Speaker 1: it for lunch. We're talking corn, we're talking aboutvocado, we
Speaker 1: are talking uh feta, and we were talking personally and
Speaker 1: a lemon dressing, and none of that will be possible
Speaker 1: without a little thing called soaking beans. And it's just
Speaker 1: shout out to Alison, and I wish for the best
Speaker 1: shot out. Hold on, Allison is back. She's been back back,
Speaker 1: Alison ben Roman that what I just did is a reference.
Speaker 1: It's like reference humor. Reference. We actually are guilty of
Speaker 1: both random and reference humor. And no one, no one
Speaker 1: is making humor to vacuum all the tours. Of course,
Speaker 1: of course, so making humor. I'm so, what what the
Speaker 1: funk am I saying? Making? Okay, okay, okay, okay, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, um, I've got one somewhere. Let's see. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got it. What's up, breaks losers and perverts across
Speaker 1: the globe? I love you and I see you. I
Speaker 1: would like to give a shout out to the man
Speaker 1: selling water outside of the Chromatica concert last night, because
Speaker 1: when I got out of that concert, I was overjoyed
Speaker 1: with joy, but I was feeling parched with water and
Speaker 1: I was dying. And I said, if someone why is
Speaker 1: I thought this was a capitalist nation, Why is no
Speaker 1: one selling water? I'm willing to pay upwards of ten
Speaker 1: dollars for a bottle of damn water because I am thirsty.
Speaker 1: And then comes this man who, yeah, it was probably
Speaker 1: going against the government and probably not licensed. I hope
Speaker 1: that's okay with everyone. Sometimes I support unlicensed vendors. And
Speaker 1: he said, I will give you this water bottle for
Speaker 1: four dollars and I said I will pay that, and
Speaker 1: I drank it and I wish I had gotten to
Speaker 1: because I was so fucking thirsty and getting out of
Speaker 1: that stadium was a nightmare. I think I will maybe
Speaker 1: never go to that location again, unless I, of course,
Speaker 1: have to to see my girl Stephanie germanata who I
Speaker 1: do you still stand? And I hope to one day
Speaker 1: be um dead as mentally ill as I was in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty to fall in love with her next album,
Speaker 1: just as hard as I fell in love with Romatica.
Speaker 1: I Love America. Wow. I did not expect it to
Speaker 1: end on I Love America. That was That was a
Speaker 1: random left turn. Here's what I will say, unlicensed vendors are.
Speaker 1: In fact, I actually am going to bang pots and
Speaker 1: pans every day. It's to unlicensed vendors. Yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: with that. There are some of our nation's greatest heroes,
Speaker 1: and Andrew Yane tried to come for them, the Truro people.
Speaker 1: How dare he? How dare he? Wish I could slap
Speaker 1: him across the face of the Turro. He's one of
Speaker 1: America's worst people. A yeah, I have to agree. Okay,
Speaker 1: who wants to go next? I'll go I have something
Speaker 1: I can go. Okay, Yeah, it's it's a it's it's
Speaker 1: a fun one, as as as these all have been.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't questioning until you said that. Awkward. Hey, hey, hey, um,
Speaker 1: what's heppning? That's a line from one of my favorite
Speaker 1: singers and miss Elliott. But that's not my shout out singer. Famously,
Speaker 1: I wanted to shout out the entire cast and crew
Speaker 1: of Into the Woods on Broadway. I saw this show
Speaker 1: on Wednesday night with our good friend Matt Whittaker. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, Patrick Rodgers, another good friend of ours. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm going with Matty, Matt's going with Matt Whittaker. But
Speaker 1: I saw this production. Um. You know my favorite Sondheim show,
Speaker 1: the first Sonhim show I saw on videotape, the Burgard
Speaker 1: of Peter's version of the original Broadway run. Um. Very
Speaker 1: formative culture for me. I didn't realize. And you know what,
Speaker 1: shout out to Celestie and for sharing with me this
Speaker 1: beautiful piece of wisdom that the most politically important and
Speaker 1: impactful art is children's books and anything having to do
Speaker 1: with children's stories. Because you know what my favorite about
Speaker 1: Into the Woods is that it's a show about impact,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's impactful. Sarah Barelli's um, Brian Darcy,
Speaker 1: James Kriteina Miller, Philip a Su Gavin Creole, Julie Lester
Speaker 1: was a great little red um any golden who could
Speaker 1: forget punk, legend and Broadway Legend and the Golden The
Speaker 1: mute lady on Orange is the New Black, which he
Speaker 1: opens her mouth and sings You're happy and you go
Speaker 1: why they make her mute? I loved it by I
Speaker 1: loved all the listing of the names. I felt like
Speaker 1: I was like ready for sort of Oscars playoff music
Speaker 1: to start. I thought that could have been a slaying Yeah,
Speaker 1: as someone who's also seen it and is going again
Speaker 1: because it was just that fabulous. I have to concur
Speaker 1: with every word that my sister has just said. It's
Speaker 1: really excellent. It's one of my favorite theater experiences I've had.
Speaker 1: Do you think Here's my question. I went when Gavin
Speaker 1: Creole was in fact unavailable and his understudy filled in.
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't even see Cheyenne. I didn't even see Cheyenne.
Speaker 1: But luckily on like some people on the Zoom, I
Speaker 1: did see Sarah burrellas I literally went to the show
Speaker 1: and Sarah was sick, and I literally I looked at
Speaker 1: my playbill and saw the role of the Baker's wife
Speaker 1: will be portrayed by someone else, and I almost asked
Speaker 1: for I literally but I screenshot screenshoted your story and
Speaker 1: send it to Matthew, and I was like, this could
Speaker 1: not happen to a less deserving person. This is like
Speaker 1: specifically for that to happen to you, for that to
Speaker 1: happen to matth It was really hard. And I'm going
Speaker 1: again on the twenty three, and I'm Matt Wicker and
Speaker 1: I are going and he's seen it, I think, and
Speaker 1: so that that that's a testament. Um and Bowen Yang
Speaker 1: and I are also going to see Lia Michelle and
Speaker 1: Funny Girl. I need to get my away, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: it's gonna be difficult. I'm ready go for it right,
Speaker 1: take it away. What's up, everybody? This is your boy,
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, third time on Trado. I'm very happy to
Speaker 1: be here. Thank you to the host for having me
Speaker 1: once again. I want to get a quick shout out
Speaker 1: to desk o Vie for Peth. It allows you not
Speaker 1: to use condoms, because condoms fucking suck. Who wants to
Speaker 1: use econom It's a whole thing. It's an awkward, random
Speaker 1: oh when you're trying to get it on. Honestly, for me,
Speaker 1: I just rather stick it in raw protected bareback, if
Speaker 1: you will. I love raw. I'm prefected bareback sex and
Speaker 1: being come inside of myself and coming in other people.
Speaker 1: Desk OVI for prep allows it to happen. Yes, running
Speaker 1: the rest of getting other scis always, but that doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter when I'm having it a great time. So
Speaker 1: thank you doctors, thank you physicians, thank you people in
Speaker 1: the lab, scientists, et cetera. Thank you to everyone that's
Speaker 1: made this possible. Shout out to you desk v for prep.
Speaker 1: Get your prescription right now. So that just happened, So
Speaker 1: not just stand big pharma. That just Matt just talked
Speaker 1: about sucking. Did anyone else hear that? So I guess
Speaker 1: we're talking about fucking now se podcast. All right, you're welcome.
Speaker 1: I gotta made y'all relevant. I'll see myself out. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: nothing else. You know who is a master of the
Speaker 1: meta humor of awkwardness and randomness is Max Dalter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Meg has mastered it. I was also thinking of Patty
Speaker 1: in conversation Patty Harrison. Oh yeah, we'll respond to many
Speaker 1: things as as as fake as elevated awkward as I
Speaker 1: would elevated awkward. Well, um, well, thank you for being
Speaker 1: here to kick off our third season. It's so special
Speaker 1: to have you guys on our first app. It really
Speaker 1: means a lot. That really isn't That really is an honor.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say for us as well,
Speaker 1: And can I just say congratulations on what I know
Speaker 1: is a big deal. It's a big deal about you say.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say, I'll always remember us
Speaker 1: this way. Oh, I love you, got love you guys
Speaker 1: when you're acading me, um and the whole let not
Speaker 1: sing us off. Yeah, I mean, okay, Matt, you can
Speaker 1: sing ways. Remember it's oh, good night bye gag.