WEBVTT - "Awkwardness and Randomness" w/ Bowen Yang & Matt Rogers 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:06.760 Welcome to Stradio Lab and intellectual podcast about straight culture 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.160 and also a stupid podcast about nothing. Don't say that 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:12.400 it's just true. I don't want to line to our listeners. 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:17.200 I'm George Severe and I'm Sam Taggart and this is 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:24.800 Stradio Lab. Podcast starts. Okay, podcast starts. Now, what's up everybody, 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:28.400 And welcome to to Radio Lab. Back from the grave. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.920 You thought we were dead, but actually we were training 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.040 and we're stronger than ever. And I just want to 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.760 say the old s Radio Lab can't come to the 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.640 phone right now. Why because she doesn't get out of 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:48.599 bed for under three million dollars. Wow? Say that. And 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.360 I just want to say for the listeners at home, 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.720 this podcast has always been about a few things. It's 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.520 been about straight culture sort of. It's been about making 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.440 a podcast entirely. It's been about trend parency. In the 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.479 spirit of transparency, I want to say that we are 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.440 um coming off of doing a full intro that completely 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.440 messed up due to technical difficulties. So we are sort 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.479 of emotionally raw. We are on edge in a way 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.720 that I would say I'm physically bleeding from multiple in 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.000 multiple parts of my body. I'm breaking out in hives. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:27.119 I'm bleeding, but it's uh, what's it called when it's psychological? Um, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:32.360 not bleeding Munchausen. I'm bleeding, but it's Munchausen. I'm bleeding. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.800 Psycho Stomatic is the word I was looking for. I 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.240 am actually I actually bleeding in my limbs are falling, 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.880 but it's all in my head. Yeah, George is actually 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:46.320 hosting a collaboration between Bleeding and Munchausen. Finally, the two 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.960 girls teamed up inside of George's body collab of the season, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.480 and that's why I'm excited a partner. I'm excited to 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:58.720 partner with Munchausen for the launch of the collab between Psychosomatic, 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.440 limb falling and podcasting. So I have to say, George, 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.240 when you were speaking a moment ago, it actually did 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.040 start to cut out. And I see the fear that 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:12.240 I could feel from our guests today and myself included, Well, 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.360 it was there. Here's what I'll say from now on, 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.760 technical difficulties are not a big deal. If something happens 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:21.600 and let's say I have to switch my WiFi again, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.840 everyone's gonna be chill about it. I think that's a 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:29.639 great rule. Then, why does everyone look frightened. I'm perplexed 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.079 because I feel like we were nothing but chill when 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.679 you were figuring it out. I was on the verge 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.639 of having a mental breakdown the entire time. I've been 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.280 relaxed this whole time until now. Now I'm pissed off. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:49.040 Now I'm and I'm Sam. You were saying the you know, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.000 on one level, it's a podcast about straight culture. On 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.519 another level, it's about radical honesty. And then on a 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.919 yet third level, it's kind of a horseshoe theory where 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:03.680 the radical honesty becomes almost toxic dishonesty. I just want 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.720 to see the question for this season, season three, which 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.520 is starting today, the first season sponsored by Munchausen, is 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:14.040 where do we go from here up exactly to the 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:20.720 tippy top? Baby, I'm talking prime time NBC podcasting. I'm 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.440 almost like, should we just bring in the guests? And 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:27.600 and I feel like there's this pressure to reintroduce, to 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.160 re launch, and in fact, our sponsor, Munchausen, has done 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:32.880 all that for us, and I think it's time to 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.480 just dive right in. Wait, I want to say, before 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.200 we dive right in, you should that we don't need 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.760 this pressure. We don't feel pressure because you know what, 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.600 a season three of a podcast, what does that mean? 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:49.680 Let's start there, doesn't mean anything. Well, that's a slippery 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:54.600 slope if I've ever heard one. I want to say 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:59.160 one thing before we start. Okay, I have missed you, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.560 see you on my screen, being with you every week. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.400 It is the greatest honor of my life to have 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.320 a professional relationship and a collaborative relationship with you. And 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.520 it is an honor to be back this time, wild 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:21.120 bleeding George, you are the Munchausen is talking. Honestly, my 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.600 my makeup is running. But when Munchausen is acting up, 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.360 all of us are sponsored by Munchausen. Each of us 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.359 have Munchousen in different ways. We actually each have Munchausen 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:38.520 by proxy to someone we have chosen. I'm poisoning Sam. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.039 Sam is poisoning Bowen, Bowen. It is poisoning Matt every 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:49.760 goddamn day. Phantom thread over here. Not for lack of trying, 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:55.680 t t um. Okay, George, Um, it's a pleasure to 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.240 be hosting a podcast with you again. Um. I've been 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:03.240 lost the summer without you, and our personal and professional 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.800 relationship is one of the strongest in my life, and 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.880 I just want to say so often this summer, I 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.719 feel like if I do not talk to you, I 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.960 will in fact collapse. And I maybe will text you 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.000 kind of in the middle of the day something that's 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.000 that's a small thing. Maybe I'll send you something I 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.360 found funny, or maybe I'll say like, oh l O 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:29.200 L to something, and then sometimes you rightly will respond appropriately, 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.360 will be like oh ha ha, and then I will 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.679 be crushed because in fact, I was trying to start 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.160 a two hour long conversation and I realized, in fact, 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:41.760 what I'm missing is a recorded podcast. Yeah. Yeah, I'm 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.160 not a great texture to be honest. Yeah yeah, I 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.080 don't feel like engaging. I just sort of leave it. Yeah, 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.240 it's not a good quality. I don't take pride in it, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.120 but it's just a fact. Matt and Bowen, how has 0:05:54.320 --> 0:06:02.720 your professional relationships strained your friendship immensely? Yeah, a lot um, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:04.560 I mean, and I'll tell you something. And it got 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.880 really hard once we signed our big deal with Heart. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.160 And I say, when we signed our big deal with 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:14.839 I Heart, I don't think we really made too much 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.200 of it on the mike. So I feel this is 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.880 this is your first mistake. Yea. Even talking about it 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.280 and you know what I feel is almost like h 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.360 Lindsay Lohan saying I could hear myself, I could hear 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.600 everyone being annoyed with me, but I couldn't stop when 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.240 she's talking about Regina all the time, and to me, 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:37.880 Regina is my heart. Yeah. Well, Katie Herron said that 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:42.640 Lindsay Lohan didn't say about it was improvised. It was improvised. Now, 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.840 Tina Fey, Dame Tina Fey wrote those words through Katie 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.400 Harron and don't you forget it. No, it was a 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.839 kind of Christopher Guest type thing. Tina fe has talked 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:57.600 about this, that entire movie was improvised. She's never said that, George, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.560 She has never said, when you watched The Trap, did 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.280 you think Lindsay Lohan actually had a twin? A lot 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.320 of people thought that this is a this is a 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:09.320 really important question. It says a lot about you. I mean, 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:15.280 she did, didn't she talk about a professional relationship? Strange? 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.600 Let me tell you something. Yeah, she got she got 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.800 the big film and suddenly her twin was dead. Talk 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:26.480 about a relationship strained Lindsay Lohan with herself. Oh, my god, God, 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.440 I have nothing to had. Well, let's bring in our guests, 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:35.240 shall we? Okay, this has been such awkward humor. No 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.760 awkward humor, no random random not don't stop it. You're 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.640 tipping it, don't I'm tipping it. I got it. I'm 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.240 getting excited. Can we be brought in? I think it's 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:51.120 time to bring in our guests. And why do you 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:55.240 feel that it's time? Please give a warm welcome to 0:07:55.480 --> 0:08:02.800 style superstar Carson Cressley and the always hilarious Michelle Vissage. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.800 So are we do? Who do you think do you 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.400 think that Carson is? Like I was just thinking, are 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.320 we as gay as Carson? Yeah? Yeah, yes, yes, but 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.880 for our time the standards are different. Yeah we are. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.960 We are to Carson what Carson was in his time. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:29.640 We are now parentheses derogatory, Yeah, parenthes derogatory and and 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.960 and a big joke and a big joke. Well, I 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.280 do think you know, in fifteen years or whatever, there 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.360 will be new gay podcasters on the scene, and they'll 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:41.719 be like and welcome to the stage, like the hilarious 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.319 Matt Rogers, and it will be like inherently like like 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.280 they won't have said anything mean, but it will be 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.559 like that's meant to be mean, and it's like, hey, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.480 you're making fun of right. It's like when they call 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:58.840 him a style superstar, that's like meant as a hurtful insult. 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.719 I think anyone anyone wants the augatory anyone watching it, 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:06.679 he's wearing it's a Liberati Cave style Superstar, and he'm 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.959 like superstar. Literally he's crying. He's back with glitter on 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:20.119 Stop and the and the whole areas air quotes Ross Matthews. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.120 But yeah, I do think Georgia're right. I do think 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.560 it's time to bring in our guests. Should we bring 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.400 them in? I mean that's the question everybody's lips, all 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.319 of America wants to know, should we bring them in? 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.120 You know, I think there's almost there. I I'm sensing 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.960 something very productive about the tension of they are half in, 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.280 half out. Yeah, and there's a queerness. There's a queerness 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.200 to that. Yeah, it's sort of well, it's it's definitely 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.199 like anti sort of border. It's sort of saying like 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.320 it literally does what's up with that? That is what 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.240 is happening right now? Yeah, And it's what's crazy is 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.439 like even internally like even though they're not speaking on it, 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.839 um because they haven't been invited to. UM. I feel 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.160 that our guests, like when we say should we bring 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.880 our guests, they assume the position of guests who have 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.480 not been brought in. But then when we fake bring 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.840 them in, they assume the position of guests that haven't 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.000 got in. And it's sort of like they need to 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:20.960 examine why they're like believing these borders. You know, it 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.280 is it's work they have to do themselves, and it's 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.840 work we can't do for them. So it's very much 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.240 like you know, the dog is used to the cage. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.760 You open the cage, the dog still wants to be 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:40.320 in the cage, Oh my god. Sorry, And so it's 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.200 not you know, even now, I'm like, I'm like, you know, 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.720 they could actually speak up right now, but they are not. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.280 Even though they have already spoken in the past. They 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.880 now suddenly are back in then not having been brought 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:58.360 in stage because we have really good boundaries. UM, So 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:05.160 please welcome without further ado. From the hit film Fire Island, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:14.319 Bow and Yang and Matt Rogers chices You live in 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.560 love You to local girls, How the hell's it going? 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.120 You guys really are living love to local today a 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.600 little bit. We're not we are and it's getting loca 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.800 or and loca or as we go. Oh my god, 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:31.319 mass loca. Matt, you just woke up? Tell us about that. Well, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.040 as you all know, we attended the Lady Gaga concert 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:39.480 last night at the MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey, 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:45.040 and I, as a result of staying up late after 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:50.240 the concert and even getting into it with somebody, woke 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.319 up a little bit late today. Yeah, it's like sexually 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:59.560 or violently? Can you tell us, honey, Well, I got 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.960 into sexually with someone and it was decidedly not violent. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.880 Huge is someone we know? No, it was a bartol 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:11.160 That's so fun. Oh my god, I feel like I 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:16.840 feel I feel like this is Matt, look at me. Congrats. Yeah, 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:19.959 I'm sorry that I thought same was gonna agree with 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:25.000 that it was I agree with. I think there's a 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.840 world where he can both agree that. It's very say 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:33.400 congrats and bartender to be a supporting character is ver. Yes, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.760 they have found my Steve may have found my Yes, 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.480 and in some ways it's but he told me, he 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.200 told me he is partnered. Okay, okay, well, well that 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.000 could work yeah, I mean this is rebood. Yeah, I 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.680 mean in the reboots, Steve is PAULI. Actually he's dying, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.000 hold on, hold on writing down that idea for our 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:56.600 rom com Ken it work with someone who's partner. Oh 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:03.600 my god, that's the old partnered god work uncoupled, Write 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.520 that down, uncoupled. Oh smart, smart, Smart, starring Style superstar 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:16.439 Carson Cresslin and the Hush. Imagine imagine that rom com 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.160 with them. That would be kind, That would be fun, 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.280 That would be really fun playing themselves, not to be 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:27.479 like the most simple minded sort of a to be um, 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:32.440 you know, unimaginative person on the globe. Right, But should 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.199 we just sort of talk about should we sort of 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.040 get into the fact that we were at Chromatical last night? Yes, 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.400 and maybe not just I think we have to and 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.959 we have to. CHROMATICA is the is a huge album 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:50.320 for this podcast because it it came. I mean, I 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.280 would say the entire release cycle, if you're can call 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.040 it that of that album was was you know, was 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:01.080 tracked painstakingly by the pod. I remember had Amy Zimmern 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:05.400 to talk about Lady Gaga as a concept when um 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.839 Stupid Love came out, and she said something I think 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.720 is very wise, which is the promise of Lady Gaga. 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:16.920 Is like, if Lady Gaga fails, then the twenty tens 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:22.800 were for nothing. Wow. It's like the reason why we 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.560 have faith in Lady Gaga is because we have to 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.880 believe there was some point to the twenty tents. It's 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.280 sunken cost fallacy. It's like when you go, you know, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.440 I've spent I've spent too much time on this thing 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.200 already and if I quit then that that would have 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.080 been a waste of my time at that point. If 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:41.960 you quit, it's like, well, what was the point of 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:43.960 What was the point of Obama? What was the point 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:48.400 of marriage equality? What was the point of HBO's girls. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:54.160 It's a slippery slope, that is so true. I think 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.600 that last night Lady Gaga proved that the times I 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.960 completely agree. That's what I felt, That's what I think 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:03.840 ultimately up and last night was she in singing her 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:10.040 songs made us all dance and remember and um, when 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.320 I was leaving the concert last night, I thought back 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:17.440 to all the times when I first heard those amazing songs, 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.280 and I thought this was a time capsule. It was 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.040 a journey both in a literal and figurative sense. It 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.200 was an emotional journey as well as a journey to 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.400 another plan and not just a capsule, but a cap 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.920 stone thank you, as in it was the conclusion of 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:38.120 the tens. Now we can finally move on, Now can begin, 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:43.000 can truly begin? I was going to decades now Yeah, 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.880 oh my god. It's it's like, it's like how, only 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.520 it's like how it took Lady Gaga three songs last 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.440 night to say act one, And let's talk about that, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:59.840 and let's talk about your storytelling. Let's talk about because 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.600 bag non monear. But there's flashbacks in the first season, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:09.920 how dare if you're fact checking my co hosts, OK, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:13.960 this is not our house. This is not our house. 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.120 If you said it's not linear, it's not linear. You 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.920 think he has the concert with yellow jackets or fleabag. 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.400 I think I think it was succession. I think it 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:29.240 was purely linear, purely linear, because she gave us prologue 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.720 acts once before and finale, which is classically which is 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.080 a classic structure. That is you're right, it is a 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:40.960 classic structure, and it is succession um finale, my final 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:47.600 act final? Did she even call the first three songs 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.360 just thrust. She knew what she was doing. It made 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.640 it better that than without expecting it. You saw the 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.120 words act one, Yeah, when Actually the way I felt 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.240 when I saw the words act one I I immediately 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.000 was like, oh so this I thought this was a 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:07.160 concert and actually it's a story, and that really I screamed. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.760 I said, I didn't know I was seeing a film today. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:11.879 I thought I was seeing a concert. What do we 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:16.600 think the story was? Okay, that's a really good that's great, 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.760 that's great. So it starts when she's in a thing 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:25.919 that sort of a cafcoon and it's romance, bad romance. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:30.320 So she's okay, I think she's kidnapped in Berlin. Yeah, 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.479 she's in She's in the basement. She's in the basement. 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.720 I just want to say, to be clear, I know 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.680 the answer. I know what the story is. So I'm 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.679 just like listening to see if you guys get it. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.879 I want to hear Sam do it. Yeah. No, I'm 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.359 saying I'm listening, but I do know. So at the 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.400 and I will confirm if you're right, you're gonna fact check. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.159 I just want to say, the story is whatever the 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:55.440 whatever the viewer, Sam keep going. Okay. So she's kidnapped 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.280 and she's in the basement of Bergheim and they're playing 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.280 her songs upstairs, which just crazy because she knows all 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.080 the words of them. So she's sort of seeing you 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:10.600 along and she's like and so. So then that's the prologue, 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.240 is like, we're starting here, and then it's sort of 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.920 her journey out of Bergheim. Um. So it's act two, 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.639 Act one, all right, So that's the prolog. It's like, 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:27.640 let's start there. You think Act one is the prologue. No, no, no, 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:31.760 Sam needs to keep going because he's dead on right, Okay, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.399 So that's the prologue and then the act one, Um, 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.560 so that was sort of Alice. Okay, so that was 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:43.000 about identity. That was about identity. Yeah, so she was 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.679 clearly going undercover to get out of Bergheim. She was like, 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.879 my name isn't oh yeah, but it's not. But it's 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:56.119 also not Stephanie, nor is it Gaga. Oh my god, 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:03.400 she has munch houses for names. Okay, so she's going undercover, 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:08.080 is not Alice to leave ver Kim? So far, so good, 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:12.119 so far, ten out of ten so far. Okay. So 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.320 then it gets to act two and that's sort of 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.760 when we get to um caramatica two into nine on one, 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.159 so that actually she had escaped, but she had PTSD 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:25.840 for being locked in the basement pretty long. So then 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:30.320 she had to pop a nine on one yeah, because 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.840 of Yeah, And I'm so sorry to interrupt, but exactly 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:35.800 I was going to say, it goes from identity to trauma, 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.280 which is such a classic narrative in that order to 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.320 But she's calling nine one one because she lives in 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:48.639 a country where dialing one doesn't summon the police, it 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:53.879 summons social workers. And she goes and she she wants 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.520 she wants help with her mental with her mental health. 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.640 It's not capaganda. People are saying nine one one is capaganda, 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.600 and I just want to say, no, it's not. It's 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.440 so they don't work aganda. It's social work aganda, which 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.360 is what we need more of now more than ever. 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.359 We really need more social workers to stand up in 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.199 the world propaganda for in the world of chromatic at 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:17.240 nine one one is for the nationalized mental health care line. 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.760 It's not for the cops. Yes. So then after that, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.359 she realizes that she needs to put on a show, 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:29.439 um because she realizes that she needs art to um 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.600 to sort of be her therapy because the social workers 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.800 weren't supported enough economically to give her the support that 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.240 she needed. So that's when she gets to the piano 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.960 and sort of sing some songs because she's like, maybe 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:45.119 this will help. Does it correct? That is the story? 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:47.360 Why is that? Why is the piano madd trees? Why 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.640 is the piano like a gnor old wood? Oh? Um? 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:57.640 Because she made it herself, so you think you think 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.919 it's she made it herself, not because it's a climate 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:06.800 change may Yeah. No, she doesn't really care about there 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.080 was no there was. She doesn't care about. Ladyga does 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.919 not care about the planet. That's why she's leaving it. 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.919 That's why she abandoned. In that way, it's very Taylor 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.600 Swift getting on her private jet because she's like, oh 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:25.480 there's climate change, I gotta go. Yeah, yeah, I'm not 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:31.080 gonna be stuck here. Yeah. Big, She's like big demons 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.639 to fight. Lady Gaga was actually quoted as saying we 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:40.720 have to get off this planet. Yes. So then she 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:42.960 sang the songs on the piano and then it gets 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:51.000 to um Um finale, the finality. Okay, so the finale 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.480 I sort of read that as her learning that it's 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.720 not about um social workers helping you, it's not about 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.440 art helping you. It's about commercial success helping you. That's 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:03.840 the only way you can fill the emotional hole caused 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.560 by being tied up in the basement at Berkheim, which 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.720 is why she got Ariana gran Grande on the track. 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:11.680 She said, how do I get a hit? She said, 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.520 put her on the damn track. I'm cashing in baby. 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.480 That was her, That was her I heart deal moment. 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.720 That was the lady got got sold out. But that 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:27.920 is actually a very powerful narrative that you have just well. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.120 And then obviously the Cherry on Top being ending withhold 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:34.760 my hand and sort of being like this song, you know, 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:38.639 couldn't be further from Burkheim. We are gone that that 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.200 is in the past. It's not just said it's the 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:44.040 natural endpoint of commercialization. It's like she's singing this song 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.639 that sounds personal and it is for a movie that 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:50.400 is literal military propaganda. So it's like it's it's the 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.560 Cherry on Top. She's like, Okay, and now here's my 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.760 new work inspired by the journey I just took. That 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:58.800 made me realize the only way out of identity and 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.080 trauma is through commercial enterprise. And that's right. It's called 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.240 Hold My Hand and it is for Top Gun Maverick. 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.879 And guess what, and guess what You're gonna gag for it? 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:15.320 And boy did we I did gag for it. Actually 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.919 I was, I really did. I actually love I have 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.800 stand Hold My Hand for months now and you're a 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:24.720 trailblazer and me a full day. I was shocked at 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:26.640 how how much she sold it. I mean to take 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.879 that song she sold it. I was like, there's no 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.320 way she can make me like the song. And there 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.480 I was when many are calling a seaside from born 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:37.520 this way that she filed through the drawers, and I 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.399 was like, what do I have for Top Gun Maverick. 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.720 I have this one, maybe this well, maybe I'll just 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:45.359 try to I'll give this one a whirl again. And 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:49.760 then she ended her chromatica ball with the song and 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:53.760 hap to making a tour that she had all the 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:57.000 time in the world to perfect. And and this is 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.119 what we got. It wasn't wonderful show, but you have 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:03.000 to and you have to imagine that the entire time 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:06.879 she knew that she actually it wasn't even about public health. 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.640 Her canceling the tour. It was like, I don't have 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:12.800 the finale song. And then Once Hold Once Hold my 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:15.719 Hand became such a global hit. She was like, we 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:17.639 can go out on the road. I know how I'm 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.320 going to end the show. I have my Beyonce's halo. 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:23.479 I have my torch song that will end all my 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:27.719 concerts going forward. And that is what the concert was about. 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:32.720 The journey to find my hand. Hold my Hand was 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:37.040 the capstone, the capstone to the capstone. Hold my Hand 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.000 is again. It's like it is the end of her work, 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.560 and it is the end of the work of it 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:45.600 is I would say it is a loss of innocence. 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:51.440 It's like this, there's no it is post postmodern well, 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.679 and that's why it's such a gen z anthem. Exactly 0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:02.919 when she saw Jennifer Connolly get off that boat and 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:06.320 her hair was still perfect, she said, I'm so inspired. 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.520 I'm inspired by the love I saw between Tom Cruise 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:14.080