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Speaker 1: You are listening to episode fifty four of Hurdle, a

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Speaker 1: and athletes about how they got through tough times hurdles

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Speaker 1: of sorts by leaning into wellness. My name's Emily A Body,

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Speaker 1: and today I'm chatting with Lyla Johanna. She is the

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Lila. Here's the thing. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I never take a break. I'm constantly on the go.

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Speaker 1: But this woman, she is the definition of a boss babe,

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Speaker 1: a total powerhouse. And that also means that she's under

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Speaker 1: a lot of stress all the time. In twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: she logged nearly five hundred thousand miles and forty four

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Speaker 1: days in the air. She was at a conference in

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Speaker 1: Helsinki when she felt a pain in her abdomen and

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Speaker 1: was rushed to the er. Doctors told her that if

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Speaker 1: she had not had emergency surgery right then and there,

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Speaker 1: she could have died, and as a result, she had

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Speaker 1: an infection which hospitalized her for two weeks. To recover,

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Speaker 1: she leaned into her relationship and love for kitesurfing, and

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Speaker 1: also just doing more checking in with herself. Since Leila

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Speaker 1: actually announced that she's got a rare form of cancer.

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Speaker 1: It's called epithelioid sarcoma. I hope I said that right

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Speaker 1: these things can happen to anyone you know, Leila lives

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Speaker 1: a really healthy life. Aside from kitesurfing, She's super active,

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Speaker 1: she loves yoga, she's constantly outside and you know, building

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Speaker 1: a better body and her outlook on this is just remarkable.

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Speaker 1: For lack of a better word to demonstrate that, I

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Speaker 1: want to read straight from her Instagram post where she

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Speaker 1: shared this news. It's something really special, she says. I

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Speaker 1: decided to share it publicly because I have learned, in

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Speaker 1: the course of building my companies that the consistent support

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Speaker 1: of friends and community is a powerful tool in the

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Speaker 1: face of many seemingly impossible obstacles. I've been forced to

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Speaker 1: take a break from kite surfing, free diving and the

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Speaker 1: immersive experiences in nature that bring me so much joy.

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Speaker 1: Being held back by surgery and recovering at home feels

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Speaker 1: like a prison sentence. But then I remember that every

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Speaker 1: healthy moment is a gift, and that I've had more

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Speaker 1: than my fair share of these to date. No one

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Speaker 1: is immune to illness, she continues on to write, Susan

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Speaker 1: Sontag said it best. Illness is the night side of life,

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Speaker 1: a more wondrous citizenship. Everyone who is born holds dual

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Speaker 1: citizenship in the Kingdom of the well and Kingdom of

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Speaker 1: the sick. Although we all prefer to use the good passport,

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Speaker 1: sooner or later, each of us is obliged, at least

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Speaker 1: other place. So here's to gaining another passport and another

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Speaker 1: life experience. Wow, what an outlook to have, Lilah. I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking of you. I'm so honored and overjoyed that we

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Speaker 1: had the opportunity to have this conversation. And this is

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Speaker 1: just another Hurdle moment. I'm sure your passions for wellness

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Speaker 1: the work that you do, there's so much good coming

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Speaker 1: your way and I believe it. You guys, you can

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Speaker 1: send Lilah your well wishes on Instagram or handle is

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Speaker 1: Lilah Johnna. That's l E I l A j A

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Speaker 1: n H. And as always, make sure to tag at

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Speaker 1: Hurdle Podcast on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook as you're listening

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Speaker 1: this week. With that, let's get to hurdling. I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: here today with Lyla Johanna. She is the CEO of

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Speaker 2: You so good to be here in this beautiful studio.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you here. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: going to learn a lot about you today, including all

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Speaker 2: I was. I was a travel writer.

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Speaker 1: So I have to ask you as someone myself. I'm

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Speaker 2: There are so many competing destinations, but I would say

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Speaker 2: we kite surf, you have to drive in a dune

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, a dune buggy. I don't even know

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Speaker 2: And your cell phone doesn't work in half the spots,

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Speaker 1: When I travel internationally, I actually never activate an international

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Speaker 2: I'm so jealous of your life right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a CEO of two huge companies, but it's

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Speaker 2: That's why a kite surf, because if I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's rewind a little bit. I want

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Speaker 2: Sure? So, my parents are Indian and Belgian. My grandmother

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Speaker 2: A little buffalo was definitely less exotic than Kalkatta. I

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Speaker 2: I have this belief that there's this sense of optimism

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Speaker 1: I love that the things that you point out have

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, and you went to Harvard I did.

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Speaker 2: So I when I got there, I knew I wanted

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Speaker 1: And do the agencies that are over in Kenya and Uganda.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we employ these people directly. We do a

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Speaker 2: And we're doing it also because a lot of competitors,

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Speaker 2: like the massive growth is happening in our economy. It's

439
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: in non traditional gig based work. And so we think

440
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: that by equipping low income people with the skills to

441
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: compete well in the gig economy, they're better off and

442
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,719
Speaker 2: they're going to earn They're more likely to earn living wages.

443
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,239
Speaker 1: How do the people here find you?

444
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: So they also find us through local nonprofit partners. We're

445
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: partnered with the City of New York and the City

446
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: of San Francisco workforce programs. We partner with CUNEI here

447
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: in New York, with the community Colleges out in California,

448
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: and we're looking to expand the program nationwide. But it's

449
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: think of it as like a domestic version of Zama Source,

450
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: again targeting that same goal of giving work.

451
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Speaker 1: Well, obviously, it's no surprise that one company just isn't

452
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: enough with how ambitious you are. So when along the

453
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: way do you get this idea for lux me, which

454
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: I'll let you explain what that is instead of me

455
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: summarizing it up for the audience.

456
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Speaker 2: So I have to say, I think a lot of

457
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: entrepreneurs that I know have this shared sickness that I do,

458
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: which is, if a problem really gets under your skin,

459
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: it's like you keep kind of like needing to scratch it.

460
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: It's so the idea for Luxmi was a long time coming.

461
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: I had been going back and forth to Africa for

462
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 2: you know, since I was seventeen. Each time i'd go,

463
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: I'd always discover amazing local handicrafts, local products that were

464
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: sold in local markets that never had any export, you know,

465
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: any export potential, or maybe they were amazing products that

466
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 2: could easily be exported and sold on a global market,

467
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: but no one knew how to market their stuff outside

468
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 2: of whatever region. Of course, now we have like Etsy

469
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 2: and all these amazing market places for handicrafts, but I

470
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 2: still think there's so much opportunity to help local people,

471
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: especially women who are the ones who are doing a

472
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Speaker 2: lot of this work, get jobs by being part of

473
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: supply chains for handicrafts, for skincare, for that kind of thing.

474
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 2: So I was in Northern Uganda, I came across this

475
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: miracle ingredient called nilotica, and I had.

476
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Speaker 1: How does one do that?

477
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: So, if you're like me, I love I hate shopping

478
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 2: in malls, like just makes my blood boil to like

479
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: not be around trees and nature. I love being in

480
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: like outdoor market places in places like northern Uganda, where

481
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: you get to talk to the people who are selling

482
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: you stuff. Usually the people who are selling you stuff

483
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: are the same ones who made whatever you're buying. You

484
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: get to know the story. It's just like going to

485
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: a farmer's market. Here in the US. It's like a

486
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: much more enjoyable way to buy stuff. Yeah, and it

487
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: feels much more humane. So I love going to those markets,

488
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: and I always talk to the makers of stuff. I

489
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: love getting inspired by some of the really creative ideas.

490
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: My favorite piece of jewelry. These like bottle cap earrings

491
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 2: I bought in Kenya. That's somebody made by hammering out

492
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: bottle caps of beer and like welding them together and

493
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: beating them. They're just gorgeous and they're so cool, and like,

494
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: you know, I love that hustle and creativity. So I

495
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: go to these local markets all the time, and I'm

496
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: always like, Wow, I wish I could find a way

497
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: to help these people earn more money for what they're selling,

498
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: because if this were sold in the US or you know,

499
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: at some duty free shop, you could literally, you know,

500
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: the person who's making it could make ten times more.

501
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: So I came across this skincare ingredient called Naylodka. It

502
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: was just sold in a tub in the local market

503
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: in Northern Uganda, and it's this like rich buttery cream

504
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: that I imagined was something that had been concocted by

505
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: some local lab but it turned out to be one ingredient.

506
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: It's just a local form of shade butter that only

507
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: grows there in Northern Uganda. It's chemically different from the

508
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: shay that's in ninety nine percent of skincare products in

509
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: America that comes from West Africa has a really different texture.

510
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: So I was like, Wow, this stuff is amazing. How

511
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: is it that I've never heard of it before? Why

512
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: is it only here in northern Uganda? Why can't I

513
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: find it more broadly? And I started doing more research

514
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: into natural skincare and cosmetics, and I was appalled by

515
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: what I learned. I learned that, like so many of

516
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: the very popular products that are sold at drug stores

517
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: and beauty counters in this country are with known carcinogens,

518
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 2: with all kinds of toxic ingredients that are banned in

519
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: Europe and Japan and other developed countries. And not only

520
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: are they like actively bad for you by containing these

521
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: toxic ingredients, but they also don't do any good for

522
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: the world. So you might be dropping, as I used

523
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: to two hundred dollars on a skin cream at duty

524
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: free that was like the only luxury item I would

525
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: splurge on, only to find that like it contains mineral

526
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: oil basically or some derivative, right, some kind of petrochemical

527
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: based like raw ingredient that's the ninety five percent of

528
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: the formula, and then it's got like red number seven

529
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: and dimethicone and all these ingredients that you absolutely don't

530
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: need to be rubbing all over your.

531
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Speaker 1: Skin, and no one regulates those things.

532
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: We have like really outdated legislation, But like so many

533
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: industries in the US, there's really strong corporate lobbies that

534
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: obviously don't want Congress to pass sensible regulation because it'll

535
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: diminish their profit margins. And so that whole mod is

536
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: just so sickening and so broken. Not only are we

537
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: poisoning ourselves, but we're also dropping all this money in

538
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: a model that doesn't help anyone get less poor except

539
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: maybe people who are already really rich who own the

540
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 2: majority of these companies. So I was just like, why

541
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: can't we create a fair trade model in the luxury space.

542
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: Why do the like Good for the World brands have

543
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: to be very crunching and granola orient Why can't we

544
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: have like a Chanelle like brand that stands for social impact?

545
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 2: And so I had the idea. It kind of like

546
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: grew on me over time. I kept thinking, no, I

547
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: shouldn't bring this up to my board because it'll kill

548
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: me yet another crazy idea, And finally I just like

549
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: couldn't help it, and I started talking about it, and

550
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: one of my board members was like, Oh, this is

551
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: actually an interesting idea. Maybe you should do it, but

552
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: launch it as a separate company. So I did. I

553
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: started Luxmi. Our first full year of operations was twenty seventeen.

554
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: We launched as as far as I know, the first

555
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: fair trade brand sold nationwide at Sephora. But we've since

556
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: learned a lot about how to partner with a bigger retailer.

557
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 2: We did it too fast, too soon, but we've been

558
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: tripled last year. We've grown a lot, and now we're

559
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: really trying to build out our product line with other

560
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: rare botanical ingredients that have the same model. So it's

561
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: a give work model. We source from fair trade suppliers

562
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: that give work to local women, all super clean formulas

563
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: and based on rare plants where there's also a conservation angle.

564
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: This is like very timely for you to come in

565
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: here and talk to me, if only if this is

566
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: for my personal gain. I feel like I in my

567
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: early thirties and finally taking the time to learn how

568
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 1: to take care of my skin. And it's like a

569
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: type of health that I feel like as someone who's

570
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: immersed in fitness and wellness and writing about it constantly.

571
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm not being talked to or talking enough and I'm

572
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: trying to learn so much. So I'm so happy that

573
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: you're sitting in here with me because I feel like

574
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: there's so much I can learn from you and so

575
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: much that hurdles audience can learn from you. So I'm

576
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: going to save some of those takeaways for a little

577
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: further down the line. And I actually would love to

578
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: dial in to a little bit about your personal health, because,

579
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: as you've mentioned, you're giving back and all the best

580
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: ways that you know how. And in the middle of

581
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Speaker 1: December twenty seventeen, you're speaking in Helsinki in Finland at

582
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Speaker 1: a tech conference when you start to experience some health

583
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: issues of your own. So why don't we dive into

584
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: that a little bit.

585
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think my biggest challenge is entrepreneurs I

586
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: get so excited by what I'm working on that I

587
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: could work twenty four seven, Like I like wake up,

588
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: I dream, I go to sleep thinking about these businesses

589
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: and what we can do, and that you need rest,

590
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: like your body needs rest and your brain needs rest.

591
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: And what basically happened to me is in Helsink. Yeah,

592
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: I was giving a speech. Afterwards I was at this

593
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: like speaker dinner and I felt this like wrenching pain

594
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: in my abdomen and I've broken stuff and like I'm

595
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: always injured from sports that I do, but this was

596
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: like a different kind of pain where you know that

597
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: something's definitely wrong, like in an internal organ. And it

598
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: got so bad I had to excuse myself and go

599
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: to the bathroom. I was like writhing on the floor

600
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: of the bathroom and pain, and finally I get into

601
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: an emergency room in Helsinki, and they often misdiagnose women

602
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: with this condition. I had what's called an ovary intrsion.

603
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: That's when you're overtwisted around itself. That sounds awful, terrible,

604
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: but they misdiagnosed me as having kidney stones. I've since

605
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: read like several very similar reports of women going into

606
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: an er with pain and their abdomen and like the

607
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: technicians misdiagnose them. And if you wait too long, your

608
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: ovary dies the tissue and your ovary doesn't get enough

609
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: blood and it just dies out. So you have like

610
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: twelve hours. So my ovary died. I left ovary while

611
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: I was in this er, and then they did a

612
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: surgery to remove that. And the surgery went septic. Believe

613
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: it or not, but it went septic, And probably this

614
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: whole thing happened to begin with because I was just

615
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: mistreating my body. I have this belief that I'm kind

616
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: of invincible. I can travel NonStop, I don't need so

617
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: much sleep, blah blah blah, and that's just totally wrong.

618
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: It like will catch up with you, and it will

619
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: catch up with you at a really inopportune time, like

620
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: when you're in Helsinki in December.

621
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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so a that must have been frightening. Are

622
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: you traveling with any family? Are you traveling alone?

623
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: Alone? And it was also I think there's some sort

624
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 2: of like mind body connection element here. My friends joked,

625
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, your ovary is literally committing suicide

626
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: because I had just ended an engagement. Oh my god,

627
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: days before. I mean, the symbolism of my overary hanging

628
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: itself was so appropriate at that time.

629
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Speaker 1: Can I ask you if you want to, can you

630
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: still have kids?

631
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Yes? So I can still have kids. So what's amazing

632
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: about the body is like you have a lot of

633
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: redundancy built in. You have two of lots of things,

634
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: So your second ovary will totally compensate for the first, Wow,

635
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: so you get your period again. It's totally fine, you

636
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: can still have kids. I happen to have frozen my

637
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: eggs four years ago as well, Wow, which was like

638
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: in retrospect, Oh my god, if you're listening, please freeze

639
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: your eggs. Like, save the money that you need, figure

640
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: out a way to afford it. It's like, I think

641
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: it's life changing for women.

642
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: I sat down recently with Alex Williamson, she's the chief

643
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: brand officer at Bumble, and we were talking a lot

644
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: about all the pressures that are put on women as

645
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: they get older, with everyone asking you if you're going

646
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: to freeze your eggs, and I think, I mean if

647
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: you have the opportunity and you have the money, like

648
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: you're saying, plan for it and save for it. That's

649
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: one thing. The craziest thing to me about freezing your

650
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: eggs is that you have to pay to keep them frozen.

651
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like three hundred bucks a year.

652
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: Oh I thought that it was.

653
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: It's not so crazy. The crazy thing I think is

654
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: that we don't educate women about their fertility. Like you're

655
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: basically told from as soon as you are capable of

656
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: having a baby. They're like whatever, you do, don't get pregnant. Right,

657
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: here are all the ways to avoid getting pregnant. And

658
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: then if you talk to your doctor about freezing your

659
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: eggs before thirty five, what I heard. What my doctor

660
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: told me was like, well, you're so young, you don't

661
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: need to freeze your eggs until literally the moment when

662
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: you're too old. And then they're like, oh my god,

663
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: it's an emergency. You better freeze your eggs yesterday because

664
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: you're like advanced maternal age. So I think we need

665
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: to tell women about this early on and just so

666
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: they know so they have the option. I have a

667
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: friend who had cancer and, like you know, unfortunately, ended

668
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: up not being able to get any eggs frozen unexpectedly

669
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: in her early thirties. So to me, it's like, it's

670
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: like telling someone who's healthy that they shouldn't get health insurance. Yeah,

671
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 2: it's like freeze them while you can, while it's easy.

672
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: Is it hurt? I don't know. I'm again I do ki,

673
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: So I get.

674
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: Like we're going to talk about that time. Yeah.

675
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: So no, it's like really small needles you inject yourself,

676
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: you know, for a period of time, your eggs get bigger,

677
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: they harvest them. It's like a pretty simple procedure, and

678
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: it's actually easier the younger you are because you require

679
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: less of the hormones and your body bounces back more easily.

680
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: I know many women who've done it, you know, post

681
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 2: thirty five, who had had to go through like three

682
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: or four cycles to get enough eggs. I was lucky

683
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: enough to only go through one.

684
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: I have a girlfriend now that's going through IVF and

685
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: it's just like hell for them, And it's just it's

686
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: so difficult when in this case, for you, you're preparing

687
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: for what you don't know, Like you're preparing for what

688
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: could be or what could be. Not like you harvested

689
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: the eggs, you're probably going to use them someday. But

690
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, Like some people do it and

691
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: they don't absolutely.

692
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: It's just a backup plan, yeah, and who knows. Like

693
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 2: maybe it'll turn out for whatever reason that I don't

694
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: have a child. It's not in my plan whatever it

695
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: may be, but at least I will hopefully have to

696
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: suffer less if I do decide I want to have

697
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: a kid later in life. And to me, it's like

698
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: an insurance option.

699
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: Got it, Okay, So you lose an ovary and how's

700
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: your recovery process from all of this?

701
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: So it was like terrible. So I lost the ovary.

702
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: I'm like in you know, Helsinki in the middle of December,

703
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: there's like two hours of daylight. And then I'm just like, Okay,

704
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: well I can sit here and mope around, or I

705
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 2: can continue working in Europe because I couldn't. The doctor

706
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: didn't want me to take a big transcontinental flight. You

707
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: can risk like clotting. Yeah, so they say, like stay

708
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: for like a week or two recuperate. But I don't

709
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: wanted to sit around the hotel room. So I kept working.

710
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: I had like meetings that I had to go to

711
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: an Amsterdam, and so I took local flights around Europe.

712
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: And of course that was like a terrible idea. I

713
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: was getting sicker and sicker. I had a fever, which

714
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: I thought was the flu. Finally, two weeks after the surgery,

715
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: I'm still having fevers and I go back and to

716
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: get checked out. I get like a blood test and

717
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: they're like, oh my god, your infection levels, so Hi,

718
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: you're not going anywhere, and they committed me to the hospital.

719
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: By this time, I was in Germany and I spent

720
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: Christmas and New Year's in a Munich hospital alone in

721
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. So I was really lucky. I had a

722
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: person show up for me who's now my fiance, who's amazing,

723
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: and took off time from work, and it just it's

724
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: funny how the world works. I like ended one thing

725
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: and then this all of a sudden kind of happened,

726
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: and my best friends came out and visited, which was

727
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 2: really awesome.

728
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: That's really special. Okay, So then the recovery, after the recovery.

729
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so after this happened, I started being much more conscious.

730
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: I mean I was conscious of what I was putting

731
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: on my body with skincare because of luxmi, but I

732
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: was still ignoring what I put in my body, and

733
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: I was not I was into meditation and yoga, but

734
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: I wasn't taking it super seriously. Yeah, after this, I

735
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: realized the cost of doing that could be my life. Like,

736
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: the sepsis was so bad that my infection levels were

737
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: like through the roof, and they were trying out different

738
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 2: antibiotic cocktails and they were like really scared at one point,

739
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: and it dawned on me that you know, you have

740
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: only a certain amount of time on this planet, and

741
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: who knows when your card's going to get called, So

742
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: it's worth investing as much as you can in your health.

743
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: So afterwards I became mostly vegan. I'm now fully plant based.

744
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: I became fully vegan as a January first.

745
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: What was the change for you? Like, why did you

746
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: make the full swap?

747
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: I've always felt like factory farming is like something that

748
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: we will one day look at as like a huge

749
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: moral tragedy that we allowed to happen, like billions of

750
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: animals that are just systematically abused. So as part of it,

751
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: like climate change, like it's really clear that one of

752
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 2: the best things we can do immediately is just eat

753
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: less meat. And I just feel better, Like so much

754
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: health evidence, overwhelming evidence shows that a plant based diet

755
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: is just better for you. So to me, there's just

756
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: like no reason why you shouldn't. It does suck to

757
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: miss a good steak tartar or like a stinky French cheese,

758
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: but I feel like you can be like ninety nine

759
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: percent plant based and have those things on very special occasions,

760
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: and the world would be so much better for it

761
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: if we all had that philosophy.

762
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: Got it Okay? So you're eating more plant based. You

763
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: mentioned mindfulness and meditation. How has that practice changed since

764
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: your hurdle moment.

765
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: I started learning about vipasana meditation. It's a Buddhist kind

766
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: of meditation that involves like doing these body scans several

767
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: years ago, and I started doing that meditation whenever I can.

768
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: I used to just like sit and do it a

769
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: few times if I could afford it in a day.

770
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: Now I do it if I'm on the train, whenever

771
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: I'm conscious of having a moment. I started doing more yoga.

772
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: I use the yoga app, which is awesome. It means

773
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: literally I led a class based on yoga glow in

774
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: northern Uganda for our Sama Source office there, which has

775
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: like two hundred people, two hundred employees, So we like

776
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: stood out on the lawn and did this in the

777
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: middle of Uganda, which people thought was kind of amusing.

778
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: We've used mindfulness training and our offices, and I think

779
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: it's a really powerful free tool. I wish they taught

780
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: it in schools in America.

781
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, have you taught classes

782
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: before or was this a sporadic adventure into this type

783
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: of thing.

784
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, just totally spontaneous, and we're always trying to like,

785
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of these like new age

786
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: health and wellnessings happening in California, and the business practices

787
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: and the places we work are often really different from that.

788
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: So I try to bring a little bit of that

789
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: into the work we do. And I really want our

790
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: employees at Sama Source to feel like they're working for

791
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: a top notch innovative company, not just you know, like

792
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: they're doing digital work like drones.

793
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:09,640
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Speaker 1: get back to you. Would you say that this is

809
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of pivoted how you view activity and just you know,

810
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: being in your body.

811
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the craziest thing about all this is that

812
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: I got the torsion because I had a ten centimeter

813
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: was like a three inch cyst in my ovary, which

814
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: is like a pretty If I was looking at that,

815
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: it's like a golf ball. Yeah, you think that you

816
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: would notice that, right, Like it's hard to hide that,

817
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: but it somehow like squeeze its way in there. And

818
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: so I was kite surfing like with this like golf ball,

819
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: I guess, hanging out in my abdomin and I didn't

820
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: even notice that. I wasn't even aware. And in retrospect,

821
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: I think maybe had I been more conscious of my body,

822
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: had I been doing these body scans, like noticing the

823
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: sensations in different parts of my body, I'd be more

824
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: attuned to that yeah, so it's definitely something I think

825
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: about more. I have to say though, that sports are

826
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: like my salvation. It's like my church is to be

827
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: out on the ocean.

828
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: How did you start kiding? Because it's definitely not something

829
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: that you just pick up one day.

830
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: No, it's so random and it sounds so like tech

831
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: bro I hate to sometimes talk about it because it's

832
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: like it's an expensive sport to get into. Yeah, and

833
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: it requires a commitment financially and like a huge commitment

834
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: of your ego at first, because you just get like

835
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: completely just like you're butt handed to you every day

836
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: when you learn. So there's this conference that started with

837
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: a female professional kite surfer and a guy, an investor

838
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: in Silicon Valley, and they hosted these informal events and

839
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: I went and I saw for the first time a

840
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: woman kite surfing. I'd seen a couple guys doing it

841
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: in the Bay Area, but this, you know, young blonde,

842
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: beautiful girl was like this pro kider teaching us, and

843
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, if Susy can do it, then

844
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: like maybe I can. So I started taking lessons and

845
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: then just fell in love. It's like a really addictive sport.

846
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: It's the combination of like paragliding, which I I also

847
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: got a license to do that a couple of years ago.

848
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: But it's like a wind sport plus a water sport

849
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: and you get to like explore using no electricity, just

850
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: the power of the wind, all these beautiful places in

851
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: the world. So it's just like my total happy place.

852
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: Can you give me some insight into the process of

853
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: how one kite serves?

854
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a kite that looks kind of like

855
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 2: a mini parachute, Yeah, with an inflated edge that's flying.

856
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: It's usually a pretty big kite. My kite is like

857
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: the one I mostly use is a seven meter back

858
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: in San Francisco. So it's like a pretty big chunk

859
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 2: of material that's like a sail and then you're attached

860
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: to that with a harness and you're holding a bar

861
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: that controls the lines. And then on your feet there's

862
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: a board. When you start, the board has like straps,

863
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a snowboard. And then as you progress,

864
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: you can I know, kite on a strapless surfboard, so

865
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: it's just like a surfboard. It's a board that goes

866
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: through the water, so you have to coordinate the kite

867
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: pulling you. That's your propulsion with like your feet on

868
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: a board and that's.

869
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: And do you need help to get launched to do

870
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: this or can you do this all on your own?

871
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: You can self launch depending on the situation. It's definitely

872
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: caused me to get like dragged around a fetus. Yeah,

873
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: so it's best to have someone launch you, but you

874
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: can self launch.

875
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 1: Wow, what a sport man.

876
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: It's exhilarating. This year, I actually am trying to figure

877
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: out with a girlfriend of mine who actually is so

878
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: a woman taught me to kite after I went to

879
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: that conference, who is a former pro and she and

880
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,479
Speaker 2: I are trying to set a record in Africa doing

881
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: a crossing of a major body of water.

882
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: This is just like standard goals, Like this is just

883
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, when I wake up on a Tuesday, I'm like,

884
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm going to do next week? Large

885
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: body of water Africa. I'm coming.

886
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: Well, hey, I don't know who's done like New York

887
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: to New Jersey. So there's like plenty of kiting opportunities

888
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: right here on the East Coast.

889
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, So after and this your whole

890
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: incident had happened in twenty seventeen, so not that long ago,

891
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: like a year ago. Do you still feel any repercussions

892
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: of this in your day to day aside from obviously

893
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: the shift in your mental and how you treat your

894
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: body and the body scanning and what you eat.

895
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: It was it was brutal. There's like my abdomen is

896
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: like a checkerboard of scars right now. So there was

897
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: that and like just it like the surgery is like

898
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: punctured all of the all of my like abs, so

899
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't kaite, I couldn't do any of the sports

900
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: I love for like months. Then this I've heard this

901
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: happens to women after they give birth. I lost so

902
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: much hair because I had lost so much blood and

903
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: it's a big shock to the body, so my hair

904
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: was falling out in chunks. Then I had this whole

905
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 2: hormonal reaction, so I started breaking out like a sixteen

906
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: year old, which hadn't happened to me since I was sixteen.

907
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: It was just like this like parade of like just

908
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: like more and more like horrible health stuff. And then

909
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: I actually have to go back into surgery this week

910
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: for something minor that's a complication but they told me

911
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: there's just always going to be complications if you remove

912
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: like a an organ. So wow, it kind of sucks.

913
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: But I'm very, very lucky to have been in a

914
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: really nice medical facility in Germany. Had I been in

915
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: like northern Uganda, had I had the resources that like

916
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: more than two billion people have on the planet, I

917
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:15,479
Speaker 2: would have died.

918
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's outageous.

919
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: It's totally outrageous, and it just if anything, it like

920
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: makes me even more passionate about the work we do.

921
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: Well. It makes me think also, I mean I'm sitting

922
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: here thinking about how your self image also like may

923
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: have been altered from this process. Like now you look

924
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: down and you see all these scars in your stomach,

925
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: does that mess with your psyche a little bit?

926
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: It did? Like I am, I think I've always had

927
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: this belief that, like, oh, I can power through anything.

928
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: I'm like this like entrepreneur who's managed to defy the

929
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: odds and build this business, like in a male dominated

930
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: industry in a country that was really difficult, you know

931
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: for us to get financing to work in and all

932
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: these obstacles, Right, so you tend to start thinking, well,

933
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: if I can power through it, I can get through anything,

934
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: but you can't power through an infection, right, Well, maybe

935
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: you can your body, but like it's it's a whole

936
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: different ballgame, and there's certain things that you physically just

937
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: cannot overcome. So I think it humbled me and made

938
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: me realize my own limitations.

939
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so this is empowering. It's giving me all

940
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: these you've got this vibes. But now you're back in

941
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: the swing of things. You're working tirelessly on both of

942
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: these companies. Firstly, how do you divide up your time?

943
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: No one is happy with how I divide my time.

944
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: I've read lots about entrepreneurs who have multiple companies, and

945
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: I've met some entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley who do it,

946
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: and basically it's a it's not recommended. It means you

947
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: have no life, Like I short change my time with friends.

948
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: I have a really understanding fiance, thankfully, but I have

949
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: very few, like family obligations. I can't imagine doing this

950
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: with children and being any kind of good mother, So

951
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: I just want to ish that caveat. I don't recommend it.

952
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: I don't think it's for everyone, and it's really really

953
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: hard and everyone's always disappointed that you're not spending enough

954
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: time Right now, I basically work, you know, two work

955
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 2: weeks in one, so I'm literally at the office for

956
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: pretty crazy hours. Or if I'm working from the road,

957
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 2: I'm also working pretty crazy hours. I don't know how

958
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: sustainable that is. But now some a Source is ten

959
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: years old and we have a really established management team,

960
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: We're hiring more people and so I can get a

961
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: lot done in forty hours. With LUXMI, it's younger and

962
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: more recruiting, and I hope that I can eventually find

963
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: someone to replace me as the CEO. I am a

964
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: big shareholder and lux me and I will always be

965
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: contributing the vision. But I think as a business mature,

966
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 2: you bring in the right leadership.

967
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: Right, So, how are you taking care of yourself aside

968
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: from kitesurfing? Then if you're spending what seems to be

969
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: I would need to do the quick math. But I mean,

970
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: you're spending like eighty hours a week working, that's insane.

971
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: Like Wendy a sleep man, it is insane.

972
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: I do sleep. I basically like don't socialize, and I

973
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: like my I also have really understanding friends who if

974
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: I pop back up after like six months of not

975
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: talking to them. They're really they really get it. But

976
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: again it's not for everyone. It really means like you

977
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 2: don't really have a social life. I work out, I eat,

978
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: I sleep.

979
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: Do you feel personally fulfilled?

980
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: I do, And I think it's because for me, so

981
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: much of my fulfillment is driven by working on something

982
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: that to me matters and makes a dent in the world.

983
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: There are other people who are much more fulfilled by

984
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: like making music, or spending time with their friends or

985
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: being amazing parents. Like I think there's absolutely so much

986
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: nobility in those pursuits as well. It's just that for me,

987
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: like I get excited about this, this is like what

988
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: I dream of. To me, I'm doing the thing that

989
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: I you know, I would pay someone else to do

990
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: my talk.

991
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: Wow, it's inspiring to sit down with someone who feels

992
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: so passionate about what they get to do during during

993
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: there longer than nine to five.

994
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: I also realize I'm super lucky, like so few people

995
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: I think get to experience that alignment, and so I'm

996
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: just trying to take advantage of this luck while I

997
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: have it. Who knows if ill me so lucky in

998
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: ten years, And I will also say that it's just

999
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: really emotionally taxing. Yeah, I have really high ups and downs,

1000
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: like I kite surf and do more extreme sports just

1001
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: because if I didn't, I would lose my mind.

1002
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel it. Do you what would you equate

1003
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: that feeling that you get kite surfing with.

1004
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: It's like some kind of meditation, because again, you have

1005
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 2: to be like really focused on the present. I think

1006
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: the most precious gifts gift that meditation gives you is

1007
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: that so much of your life as a human is

1008
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: spent in the past or in the future. You're not

1009
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: like looking right in front of you. You're not thinking

1010
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: about the sensations that the air is, you know, creating

1011
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: on your face. You're not like noticing the way that

1012
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 2: the light is hitting the rose petals in your kitchen window.

1013
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: And those little present moments can give us so much

1014
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: joy and can also completely distress the body. Like there's

1015
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: all these studies that show that if you can concentrate

1016
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: on something that's happening in the present moment, all of

1017
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 2: your brain chemistry changes, right, and a lot of chronic

1018
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: stress and the diseases that come from that are because

1019
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 2: we're like in these cycles of like oh my god,

1020
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: I need to like get the Instagram post up and

1021
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: then oh my god, I need to make sure it

1022
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: has enough likes, and I need to do this. And

1023
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: you're just not focusing on what's right in front of you, right,

1024
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: So kitinge gives me that feeling of like noticing the

1025
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: environment around me, which is just the most for me.

1026
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: It's like that and sex are like the most joyous

1027
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: experiences where you're actually focused on the present.

1028
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that. Okay, So we're winding down here

1029
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: before I ask you kind of my final two questions.

1030
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: I've just got to know for personal benefit, if what's

1031
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: the biggest mistake that people are making with their skin

1032
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: aside from like these drug store buys? Like what else?

1033
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: What's a mistake? And what should I be doing differently

1034
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: right the second.

1035
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: If you think so, a lot of people think that

1036
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: if they're oily, they need to use a powerful, quote

1037
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: unquote cleanser that makes your skin feel squeaky clean, especially

1038
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: one that SuDS right and look soapy. Those are so

1039
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: bad for you. A lot of the traditional cleansers just

1040
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 2: dry out your skin and strip it of its natural oils,

1041
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: and then your skin responds by overproducing those oils, which

1042
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: then causes you to break out, which causes you to

1043
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: use more cleansers. So like people need to stop doing that.

1044
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: A lot of that sudsy feel that we're used to

1045
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: from shampoos and from cleansers and from soaps and those

1046
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: sorts of things are actually made with chemicals or factants

1047
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: that are really not great for you. So you don't

1048
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: need SuDS to achieve cleanliness. You can use any kind

1049
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: of oil. So we have a product called pure nailatic Amoult,

1050
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: which is like a bomb. It's just our single ingredient

1051
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: in ilotica which you can use is as a bomb

1052
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: or oil cleanser. You could even use olive oil or

1053
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: coconut oil. Just rub it on your face with makeup

1054
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: on and wipe it off with a warm wash cloth,

1055
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: and like you're going to eliminate a bunch of skin problems.

1056
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: I love. I love a grocery store bought otherwise used

1057
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: for cooking skincare solution.

1058
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,959
Speaker 2: And like more people should be using this stuff that's

1059
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: in like the organic aisle at the supermarket for skincare.

1060
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: I really feel like a lot of skin concerns could

1061
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: be eliminated by just stopping the abuse of like this

1062
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: onslaught of chemicals. We're just like literally, you know, drowning

1063
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: ourselves in every day.

1064
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: All right, So you're hammering down the skincare advice. If

1065
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: you looked back right now on your career as a

1066
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: whole so far, and there's obviously so much more for

1067
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: you you to do, what would you say has been

1068
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: one of the best pieces of advice that you've been

1069
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: given as an entrepreneur.

1070
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: It's so funny because people will be like, oh, spend

1071
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: a lot of time planning or finding you know, product

1072
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: market fit or all these like crazy hacks. And I

1073
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: honestly think the only thing that separates the women from

1074
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 2: the girls when it comes to entrepreneurship and building something

1075
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: is not quitting. This is the most trying career path

1076
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: you can choose. It is, like I can't tell you

1077
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: just even this week, we had like so many like

1078
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: red level threats to both businesses and these you know,

1079
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: Sumsort has been around for ten years. We employed two

1080
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: thousand people. It's a sizable company. Now, you would think

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Speaker 2: that things would calm down when you get bigger, and

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Speaker 2: they don't. The same problems you had when you were

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Speaker 2: push through and find solutions when a lot of people

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Speaker 2: might otherwise quit because it seems impossis And the people

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Speaker 2: that I admire most as entrepreneurs are not those who

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Speaker 2: had these overnight successes where they like threw together some

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Speaker 2: then like scaled it to two hundred million dollars overnight.

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Speaker 2: The people I respect the most are like Yvon Schnard

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Speaker 2: who started Patagonia, which is now like fifty years old.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, yeah, and they've gone through so

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Speaker 2: much and they didn't take outside financing, and they grew

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Speaker 2: slowly and honorably in a way that honors the environment,

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Speaker 2: honors their customers, and treats people and their supply chain

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Speaker 2: really well. That's the kind of business I want to build,

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Speaker 2: And the greatest skill I need to develop is just continued,

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Speaker 2: not quitting.

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Speaker 1: You have the opportunity right now to offer the Llilah

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Speaker 1: who's going through this hurdle moment in Helsinki in the

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Speaker 1: hospital completely beside herself, one piece of advice looking back

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Speaker 1: on that now, what piece of advice do you offer her?

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Speaker 2: Notice who shows up when you're not your prettiest and

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Speaker 2: you're not your best self? And those people, I was

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Speaker 2: so grateful that I've had my best friend who's basically

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Speaker 2: my brother, has been my best friend since I was seventeen.

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Speaker 2: He like dropped everything to be there. Like the people

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Speaker 2: a grateful and be it. It made me really see

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Speaker 2: who my true friends are. And I think as you

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Speaker 2: grow a business, you network with a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: you might start getting lots of fancy friends, right, you

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Speaker 2: might start mingling with people who have a really high profile.

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Speaker 2: And it was amazing to see that Like a lot

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Speaker 2: of the people who showed up for me were not

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Speaker 2: the fanciest people in my life, but the people who

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Speaker 2: mean the most to me and who've been there in

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Speaker 2: definition of friendship and family.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for coming to hang out with

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Speaker 1: me today. I appreciate it. Please take a moment to

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Speaker 1: leave a quick review by clicking the link with the

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Speaker 1: description to this episode. We all face multiple hurdles in life.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear about yours. Reach out to me

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Speaker 1: at Emily at Hurdle dot us, connect with the podcast

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter at Hurdle Podcast Lyla. Where can

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Speaker 1: they find you? Where can they find All of the

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Speaker 1: businesses give me the rundown.

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Speaker 2: Luxmi is lxmi, lux me dot com and at luxmiofficial

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Speaker 2: on social Sama Source, sam Sama Source dot org and

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Speaker 2: Sama School dot org. And then you can find me

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Speaker 2: at Lyla Jana pretty much everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I've got to know real quick before I close this

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Speaker 1: close this any inside us to where the names came from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Luxmi is named after Lukshmi, who's the Hindu

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Speaker 2: goddess of beauty and prosperity. She's like Indian aphrodite, and

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Speaker 2: Sama means equal in Sanskrit.

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Speaker 1: I love it perfect.

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Speaker 2: And my name actually Jana means pet.

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Speaker 1: It's perfect because you're impacting a lot of people on

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Speaker 1: your journey.

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Speaker 2: That's the hope.

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Speaker 1: I am at Emily, a body another hurdle conquered. Catch

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Speaker 1: you guys next time.