Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
Speaker 2: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
Speaker 2: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
Speaker 2: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
Speaker 2: Bell collect Him. Every episode, we recap reality television from
Speaker 2: the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset.
Speaker 2: In addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space
Speaker 2: or scripted as well. We are back like we never
Speaker 2: Let listen Alexisla and I love you.
Speaker 1: I've seen in a few weeks. Baby, I missed you.
Speaker 3: I have missed you.
Speaker 1: I missed you too. Well.
Speaker 2: Congratulations because somebody got married recently.
Speaker 3: Yes, my son is hitched. He is hitched.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling?
Speaker 4: It is such a gamut of emotions because it's like
Speaker 4: it's my firstborn and you expected to happen.
Speaker 3: You don't expect to happen at twenty.
Speaker 4: But they've been together since they were fifteen, so I
Speaker 4: helped to raise her for a quarter of her life.
Speaker 4: And it was just the most just the most magical day.
Speaker 4: I mean, I can't explain it any other way. And
Speaker 4: you can feel the love and they took time to
Speaker 4: break the bread together and do all of the Christian things.
Speaker 4: And the kicker to it is, my daughter in law
Speaker 4: wants to be an event planner.
Speaker 3: But she she was toying with the idea.
Speaker 4: And then after she did her wedding, like she did
Speaker 4: her wedding Carlos, we were not allowed to touch much
Speaker 4: the mom and I I know, so imagine Alexis who
Speaker 4: plans all kinds of parties and seeing they're going ooh,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, take a deep breath, take a
Speaker 4: deep breath.
Speaker 3: But she had a war room at her mom's office.
Speaker 3: She took a whole room.
Speaker 4: She had stuff on the walls about what goes where,
Speaker 4: she had boxes lined up. She masterminded all of it.
Speaker 4: And so now it's like, okay, we're starting We're starting
Speaker 4: a party planning business because you're really good at this.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 3: I think it's yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be Billino Events Company. That's
Speaker 4: kind of the That's what she started her Instagram on.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, girl, you you're going to rock this
Speaker 4: world with what what you're going to college for.
Speaker 3: Forget that this is actually your gift.
Speaker 2: Listen not to encourage her speaking as a college dropout,
Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty well. So drop out, girl, drop out.
Speaker 3: How have you been, Carlos?
Speaker 1: Listen, I've been good.
Speaker 2: Everything's been fine, no complaint, just busy but grateful and thankful. Look,
Speaker 2: we haven't did a recapsins Beverly Hills, and we get
Speaker 2: to recap the twentyeth season of the show that started
Speaker 2: in all Alexis Jackson, The Real Housewives of Orange County.
Speaker 2: I must say I had a big smile on my
Speaker 2: face because as a producer, to celebrate a show, a
Speaker 2: reality show that has last sit for twenty seasons, it's
Speaker 2: such a great feat and I could not wait to
Speaker 2: recap this with you. Obviously, you are one of the
Speaker 2: iconic stars from that show as well. So before we recap,
Speaker 2: you know the specifics of this episode.
Speaker 1: How did it make you feel knowing that you are
Speaker 1: a part of history.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, gosh, I don't look at it. I
Speaker 4: don't really look at it like that. I just look
Speaker 4: at it like I'm so glad that Vicki's back.
Speaker 1: Beat.
Speaker 3: I never thought she should go, but okay, they did it.
Speaker 3: They brought back and brought it with her in with
Speaker 3: a bang.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's It's pretty cool though, And so Carlos
Speaker 4: as a producer, what what other shows have reality shows
Speaker 4: have made it twenty seasons, like Bachelorette isn't Bachelorette on?
Speaker 3: And they're like, oh right now.
Speaker 1: Yes, like like Survivor The Bachelor.
Speaker 2: But those are what we call in the business formats, right, oh.
Speaker 3: Because they're more about a game.
Speaker 2: Let's game and challenges and all of that stuff is
Speaker 2: not a docuseries, right, we call it in the business
Speaker 2: the reality shows like Real Housewives, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Those aren't considered docuseries.
Speaker 2: So the Real Housewives franchise is the only docuseries that
Speaker 2: has lasted this long, which is why it is something
Speaker 2: really amazing to celebrate and is such an amazing thing.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Alexis.
Speaker 2: To have the woman who started it off, Vickon Gobeleson,
Speaker 2: come back and to see the episode open up with
Speaker 2: her in Mexico, I'm like, I know, that's my girl.
Speaker 1: Live your death like live your best life.
Speaker 3: It brought it off full circle, you know.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed seeing her come back in this way to
Speaker 2: where it's about the evolution where she started. You know,
Speaker 2: she's behind the gates, suburban mom and to me, one
Speaker 2: thing I love about Vicky and this is why I
Speaker 2: do get annoyed. And when I say annoyed, I mean
Speaker 2: in a very protective way. I get protectively annoyed when
Speaker 2: reality stars quit their jobs that they had for years
Speaker 2: and they become a housewife and they no longer have
Speaker 2: a job that they started off with because they're too
Speaker 2: busy trying to.
Speaker 1: Sit with the notion of I'm famous, which is fine,
Speaker 1: but keep your day job.
Speaker 2: And the fact that Vicki twenty years a part of
Speaker 2: this franchise, kept her day job, and to me, it's
Speaker 2: her day job that allowed her to retire, to enjoy
Speaker 2: being in Mexico, having a residence there, I think is
Speaker 2: super inspiring for reality starts.
Speaker 1: To see that.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because you rely on just the housewives or
Speaker 4: your reality show. Look at she lost it for two years,
Speaker 4: so she quit her day job.
Speaker 1: Longer than two years? Girl, how long?
Speaker 3: How many years are she off?
Speaker 1: Woo? She's Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Really, why would I know my friend.
Speaker 1: Her last housewife run?
Speaker 2: I want to get the Lizzie get the exact year
Speaker 2: for us, please her last season.
Speaker 3: I guess it's because she's.
Speaker 4: Just made some cameos a lot, like like the season
Speaker 4: I was on, season eighteen, she was on a couple
Speaker 4: of times with me, So I guess it's just the
Speaker 4: I feel like she's just she hasn't been completely quiet
Speaker 4: in the you know, year six.
Speaker 1: Thank you Spencer.
Speaker 2: Her last season as a full time housewife was season thirteen.
Speaker 2: She was a friend season fourteen, so full time seven years,
Speaker 2: friend of six.
Speaker 4: Years, and then she's just made cameos all the other
Speaker 4: years since then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like hearing the exact way, Yeah, yeah, okay, wow, girl,
Speaker 2: she didn't.
Speaker 3: Okay, first of.
Speaker 4: All, I mean, obviously we both run the same boat
Speaker 4: on that. I was just so happy to have her
Speaker 4: back on my screen. I text her too, and I
Speaker 4: was just like, I'm so excited you're coming back, and
Speaker 4: I'm just and then I was like, I can't wait
Speaker 4: to watch you tonight.
Speaker 3: Like I just I knew that she's just going to
Speaker 3: bring the fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, she brought the fun back. And listen. She's
Speaker 1: with her man, Mike.
Speaker 2: And what I find to be so funny about her
Speaker 2: relationship is when she said he fills my emotional love tank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. And they've been together a while
Speaker 3: and she deserves that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm just happy for her.
Speaker 2: I'm happy for her because look when they were showing
Speaker 2: the flashbacks of her not so great at moments although
Speaker 2: you're asking me, honey, they were great of her freaking
Speaker 2: out her last reunion season thirteen, and she's like, get
Speaker 2: on my show and she slams the door.
Speaker 1: She had a very tough.
Speaker 2: Time when she got fired. She had a very tough time,
Speaker 2: and rightfully so she started the show. And I think
Speaker 2: she can look back and say, yes, did I develop
Speaker 2: a cocky attitude for sure? Like like like she absolutely did.
Speaker 2: But for me, there just like her, Meani Leaks, Teresa Judais,
Speaker 2: there's women who started their cities where they, to me,
Speaker 2: deserved to have a little cockiness, you know, like I
Speaker 2: never looked at it like it was unlikable. I looked
Speaker 2: at it like, you did start this, motherfucker. So I
Speaker 2: think you have everybody to just to talk your shit.
Speaker 2: So I'm happy that she is back. I'm happy she's
Speaker 2: in Mexico. I'm happy she has a new man, Mike,
Speaker 2: And I'm just really happy that Bicky is back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too, me too, And she does it all
Speaker 4: like like I didn't even think her cockiness was really
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even phrase it cockiness. I just thought she's
Speaker 4: she's just got this spunk to her and it's like,
Speaker 4: move over world, like I'm here, I am, you know.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what she said to me.
Speaker 3: Your first line of me when she met me was
Speaker 3: welcome to my world, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's like I think she just has the us,
Speaker 4: the whole persona of that, and it just makes you laugh,
Speaker 4: like when you really know her heart and who she
Speaker 4: is and just laugh.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I I love her a great deal. So
Speaker 1: speaking of people, we love our friend. Tamra Judge is
Speaker 1: also back. She started the.
Speaker 2: Of her Housewives of Orange County season two. So in
Speaker 2: this scene is Heather, Gina and Tamera. Gina is engaged,
Speaker 2: So congratulations to Gina.
Speaker 1: Travis proposed to her.
Speaker 2: But what we learned in this scene, Alexis is the
Speaker 2: love is real, but the ring isn't.
Speaker 3: Ah, But I get it.
Speaker 4: I get why you did that if you didn't pick
Speaker 4: it like John and I picked up my ring together,
Speaker 4: you know. So he knew what I kind of wanted.
Speaker 4: We tried on several I just didn't know when it.
Speaker 3: Was gonna happen.
Speaker 4: But at that point, I'm like, oh, what's happening around
Speaker 4: the corner in the next six months, you know. But
Speaker 4: but like for Travis, he did it all on his own.
Speaker 4: So it's actually very smart to have your jeweler when
Speaker 4: you're speaking that kind of money on a rink, because
Speaker 4: you'll never get it back for the value you've spent
Speaker 4: on that diamond. Never, you will get a quarter of
Speaker 4: the price for that diamond, no matter how great the
Speaker 4: diamond is.
Speaker 3: Is like you get a quarter or a half price.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so he made a prototype so that he
Speaker 4: made sure she liked it, and then they could tweak anything.
Speaker 4: He made what he liked is what I'm gathering from it,
Speaker 4: and then if she wanted to tweak anything, the jeweler
Speaker 4: was ready to do it, and then they make the
Speaker 4: real one. I mean, I personally don't think any I
Speaker 4: think that is wisdom, to be honest, especially if you
Speaker 4: have a picky girl who you know, maybe knows what
Speaker 4: she wants and they didn't discuss it because he really
Speaker 4: wanted to surprise her.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm somebody that I'm not gonna say I'm frugal,
Speaker 2: Alexis I am very I'm very smart and wise when
Speaker 2: it comes to my money because I I don't spend frevously.
Speaker 2: I'm very much like is this something I need or
Speaker 2: something I want? And I definitely buy stuff that I
Speaker 2: want want, right, but it has to be within reason.
Speaker 2: And I agree with you when it comes to couples
Speaker 2: and listen especially and this is my opinion. If this
Speaker 2: is your second marriage, right, I think like who gives
Speaker 2: a fuck, Like like like what you did, Let's go
Speaker 2: ring shopping, let me pick it on myself, and let's
Speaker 2: not waste any time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: For John and I, we had a problem because we
Speaker 3: both I've had three marriages and another engagement. He or
Speaker 3: two arriages in an engagement.
Speaker 4: He had an ex and another or an ex wife
Speaker 4: and an ex fiance. So we had like five different diamonds.
Speaker 4: We couldn't choose because we're not getting the same shape
Speaker 4: for this bitch.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So we're like, okay, what was your first wife's ring? Okay,
Speaker 4: what was my first ring, what was my second ring?
Speaker 3: What was my third ring? My engagement? And then what
Speaker 3: was your engagement ring? And I'm like, we're not doing
Speaker 3: anything like that.
Speaker 4: So we had to, like we had about two different,
Speaker 4: you know, shapes we could choose from.
Speaker 1: That's very smart.
Speaker 2: So you guys wanted to make sure that the diamond
Speaker 2: was special to you guys and not something that you Okay,
Speaker 2: no recycled, hear.
Speaker 1: Honey, we ain't doing that.
Speaker 2: Gina and Camera get into a conversation based on what
Speaker 2: happened last year. Okay, So in this premiere, they're obviously
Speaker 2: referring to the awesomeness to me of last season in
Speaker 2: terms of all the drama and the craziness.
Speaker 1: You know, you and I both loved last season.
Speaker 2: So our girl Tamra was in the hot seat, and
Speaker 2: this season is kind of trickling over because Tamra was
Speaker 2: on Jeff Lewis's show and made some comments, how, you know,
Speaker 2: I realize these women aren't my friends, they don't want
Speaker 2: to be my friend, and I'm coming for them, which
Speaker 2: is a.
Speaker 1: Very tamor judge thing to say.
Speaker 2: So in Tamra's defense, she feels like the moment that
Speaker 2: reunion stopped taping, she's sitting there alone crying, and all
Speaker 2: the women leave her to take a group photo, and
Speaker 2: then they all went out to have dinner and she
Speaker 2: didn't go because rightfully, so she feels like, you ladies
Speaker 2: didn't even stay around to console me.
Speaker 1: Y'all smilingan photos. Why would I need to be there?
Speaker 2: And the part that I was like, huh is when
Speaker 2: it was revealed that Heather debro at that dinner post reunion,
Speaker 2: started the negative conversations about Tamera and us that dinner
Speaker 2: to really talk shit about her alleged friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't even pick that up.
Speaker 4: Really, I was more focused on the fact that Heather
Speaker 4: just goes well. I was more focused on me in
Speaker 4: that moment than you crying because I'm worried about the
Speaker 4: way I looked.
Speaker 3: I didn't even I guess, I guess that statement.
Speaker 1: You just made me right over my head.
Speaker 3: So yours at the dinner.
Speaker 4: At the dinner, Heathery talk about Tamra at that dinner, Yes,
Speaker 4: that's but.
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. Jennifer.
Speaker 2: By the way, by the way, by the fucking way.
Speaker 3: Jennifer got some muscles this season.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, I was like, where did she Rocky?
Speaker 4: It's like, what's that Rocky song? The Rocky Balboa.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, she went into the ring and she
Speaker 3: goes I'm coming out a different person. Now okay, I'm
Speaker 3: done taking crap from everybody.
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, okay, and she looks amazing.
Speaker 1: I might add Jenny's bad bitch by the way. By
Speaker 1: the way, look at thirty second. Jen, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: because I know you are, all the OC girls listen
Speaker 1: to our episode. You know they do not All.
Speaker 5: You don't know, Alexis Janssen, all of your friends in
Speaker 5: the OC listen to this recap every week.
Speaker 3: Berney's she does not listen, so she loves us. She
Speaker 3: loves us, but she.
Speaker 1: She loves us and she listens anyway.
Speaker 2: All my point is this, Jin, you look fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: And you know I'm a I'm a gen fan this episode.
Speaker 1: Maybe love Gin anymore, but we'll get Don a second.
Speaker 1: But no, everybody was saying from Gin to Gina that yes.
Speaker 2: When the girls went out to have dinner post reunion taping,
Speaker 2: Heather led the charge and started saying negative things about.
Speaker 4: Camera, about how she compartmentalizes her. I wondered why I
Speaker 4: missed where that all happened. I was like, wow, Jin's
Speaker 4: really coming out in course about the compartmentalizing camera. But
Speaker 4: then I was like, I must have missed that scene
Speaker 4: last season or something, but you were Okay, You're right,
Speaker 4: it's all coming full circle now. It was when they
Speaker 4: went to dinner after the union that all that started,
Speaker 4: and Jen's just like, I'm ready to call it out.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna sit back anymore and let everyone just
Speaker 4: talk behind everyone's back.
Speaker 3: Let's just get it all out in the surface and
Speaker 3: then we can. I like when Jen said, sometimes you
Speaker 3: have to go all go low.
Speaker 4: To get back out of or to get back out
Speaker 4: of it or something like that and make things move
Speaker 4: forward better. So it's true, get all the stuff, all
Speaker 4: the weeds out of the way to make the flower boom.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What also is true is Half of the Bro is
Speaker 2: no friend to Tamra. And I've been saying this for years,
Speaker 2: and Tamra, Judge, if you're listening, I'll repeat it again
Speaker 2: for the third straight season in a row.
Speaker 1: Half of the Bro is not your friend, Tamra.
Speaker 2: He of the Bro is the most inauthentic housewife on television.
Speaker 1: Her only friends are her family, Marlowe's.
Speaker 2: I've been saying this for years, and Carlos King is vindicated.
Speaker 2: Ha of the Bro only cares about her family, Josh
Speaker 2: all Men and the salesperson as sex.
Speaker 1: That's it. So the fact that here you are.
Speaker 2: You had a dinner post reunion taping, and you spent
Speaker 2: that dinner leading the charge and talking shit about your
Speaker 2: friend Tamra, where you said you put her in a
Speaker 2: box and what that box is, Tamar is the fact
Speaker 2: that this is how Heather views you. I keep my
Speaker 2: friends close, but I keep my enemies closer. She does
Speaker 2: not want the wrath of Tamra, and in Heather Debro's mind,
Speaker 2: she feels like, I would rather have Tamar as a
Speaker 2: fairwether friend bian an enemy, because we all know what
Speaker 2: happens when Tamar has an enemy.
Speaker 1: This is how Heather is thinking.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Heather is so fake on camera where
Speaker 2: she wants to appear that, oh no, Tamarra.
Speaker 1: I do call you? While do you do you?
Speaker 2: Because all these ladies said, and they're not lying, that
Speaker 2: you spent that dinner talking the most shit about Tamra,
Speaker 2: only to call her the next day saying, hey, how
Speaker 2: are you? And to add insult to injury. As they're
Speaker 2: taping Ultimate Girl's Trip at the Quiet Woman, Tamra and
Speaker 2: Shanna get into it, which, by the way, we'll get
Speaker 2: into that reading a second, but the moment tamp the
Speaker 2: moment to head they excuse me, told Tamra in that scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean all the other.
Speaker 2: Women, meaning the other housewives from the other franchises, they
Speaker 2: were so disturbed by what they saw. They've never seen
Speaker 2: anything like it.
Speaker 1: Excuse me.
Speaker 2: These are housewives who threw drinks on each other. These
Speaker 2: are housewives who flip tables. These are housewives like head
Speaker 2: of the bro is so fake. And I'm telling you, Tamra,
Speaker 2: watch your back.
Speaker 4: Tamar called me after that whole how you know time
Speaker 4: that she filmed that whatever, and you know it was
Speaker 4: it was. She did not say one thing negative about it.
Speaker 4: She just said it went well. She did not sit
Speaker 4: there and think that.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't even know if the other housewives talked about
Speaker 4: about her, but I don't think that they would have either.
Speaker 3: I really don't. I don't agree with that.
Speaker 4: But the thing, the one thing I wanted to ask
Speaker 4: you is Reno and Heather was giving her speech. I
Speaker 4: know I'm jumping to the end for a minute, but
Speaker 4: it relates to what we're talking about right now. But
Speaker 4: Heather was given her speech and says, we have.
Speaker 3: Some old friends some new friends.
Speaker 4: And when she said old, Tamra goes historical and Emily's like,
Speaker 4: why why is she throwing that that out there?
Speaker 3: What do you think historical friend means, Carlos.
Speaker 1: It means friendship based on.
Speaker 2: In the world of housewives, right, it means the seiority,
Speaker 2: the hierarchy, the alliance. Right, It's not friendship based on
Speaker 2: we're great old friends whose children grew up together, and
Speaker 2: we spend our weekend going to the park, and we
Speaker 2: spend our mornings having coffee gossiping like they're not real
Speaker 2: life friends. I'm telling you how the bro's only friend
Speaker 2: that she loves is Terry, her husband.
Speaker 1: That's it. And I listen, I know that you and
Speaker 1: Heather are.
Speaker 3: Friendly.
Speaker 4: I mean, I never know where I stand with Heather either, honestly,
Speaker 4: but I know I care about her because we have
Speaker 4: had some very deep talks. And I do think the
Speaker 4: TV show gets in the way of life. And it's
Speaker 4: hard to be it's hard to be really good friends
Speaker 4: with people who your job is to kind of throw
Speaker 4: under the bus and make good television with. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's the reality of it. It's it's kind of hard
Speaker 4: to be true deep friends. But I always, you know,
Speaker 4: for the whole time I was on the phone or
Speaker 4: when we were filming back in season eighteen and even before,
Speaker 4: years before, I would say, are you my TV friend
Speaker 4: or are you my real friend? I need to know
Speaker 4: because I can tell you know, I want to I
Speaker 4: want to be able to go, okay, I'm going to
Speaker 4: work with my work friend. Which is why I think
Speaker 4: a historical friend in Heather's mind is what she means,
Speaker 4: you're my TV friend. And so I would always say that,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I just want to know. I
Speaker 4: want to know how much can I trust you with information?
Speaker 4: How much are you? Are you my true friend? And
Speaker 4: so I don't know what was her answer, I mean, Heather,
Speaker 4: I think Heather probably said when I asked it, she
Speaker 4: probably said, well, Alexis, come on, look at what we've
Speaker 4: gone through, what we've talked about, and what you know.
Speaker 3: And then Tamra was just like, you're my true run
Speaker 3: you know. And Tamor's proven to me.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know she flugged up a couple times
Speaker 4: on certain episodes and stuff, but she's proven to me
Speaker 4: over the years that she's she's legitimately like she knows
Speaker 4: things that nobody else knows and has never thrown me
Speaker 4: under the bus for any of it, you know.
Speaker 2: And She's what I liked about what Tamar did because
Speaker 2: you and I talked about how I felt you were
Speaker 2: treated the last time you were a part of the
Speaker 2: show and what happened when I this is all me,
Speaker 2: I felt that the girls.
Speaker 1: Weren't there for you, who you consider your friend.
Speaker 2: But one thing I will appreciate and will always give
Speaker 2: tam or her props on she at least apologized to you,
Speaker 2: like she owned up to it and said I'm sorry
Speaker 2: and did not make any excuses for it. And that's
Speaker 2: why to me, listen, Tamra to me is not only
Speaker 2: a great reality star. I think the problem that she
Speaker 2: will always have when it comes to this particular franchise
Speaker 2: she's a part of, because the OC girls are different.
Speaker 1: I'll get to that later. I think.
Speaker 2: Where she struggles is, I was brought back to this
Speaker 2: show because you other women could not do your job
Speaker 2: well enough for it to be good. And I'm back
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to make sure that we all have
Speaker 2: a job. And I know that there's a fine line
Speaker 2: with being a bitch and being shady, But I think
Speaker 2: Tamor is sort of like, I'm not evil.
Speaker 1: For the sake of being evil, right, Does.
Speaker 3: That make sense one hundred percent?
Speaker 4: That I know that from the talks I've had with
Speaker 4: her about when I felt betrayed or a little bit hurt,
Speaker 4: you know, And and it is, You're exactly right. It's
Speaker 4: about someone has to be the one to go to
Speaker 4: the hard places, which is seems like it's going to
Speaker 4: be Jen this season, but like, right, and there's got
Speaker 4: to be someone that takes that role or it is
Speaker 4: going to be a do do do do and it
Speaker 4: won't Nobody's going to tune in and then everyone loses
Speaker 4: their job.
Speaker 3: So it is true, and I think that she does
Speaker 3: a very good job.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll see because obviously she's I mean, you could
Speaker 4: see how she reacted at the party. She's obviously trying
Speaker 4: to take a different approach to her life right now
Speaker 4: and be non confrontational.
Speaker 3: So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 4: I mean, I kind of hope I see Tammy Sue
Speaker 4: come out a little bit this season, but I.
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not watching the twentieth season to see Treason
Speaker 2: Migas take shots of Costa egos like that.
Speaker 1: It's fine, but I need to see.
Speaker 2: Tamra be the force multiplying villain that I invested in
Speaker 2: for all of these seasons.
Speaker 1: Wish to me get it back to the quiet woman.
Speaker 6: First of all, what what's in the water or the
Speaker 6: oysters or the hummus where the quiet woman is like
Speaker 6: the scene of the crimes plural?
Speaker 2: John and I.
Speaker 4: I've been going there for twenty years and never seen
Speaker 4: anything like that. And John and I go in there
Speaker 4: and we don't see that stuff. So I don't know
Speaker 4: what it is about certain women that get in there
Speaker 4: and get a little ruffle in their feather.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Put the poor quiet woman. I mean, hey, it gets
Speaker 4: some business. They're always busy. I mean, you can ever
Speaker 4: get a table in there.
Speaker 3: So I guess it works.
Speaker 4: But but I mean, gohly, I mean and sometimes you know,
Speaker 4: it's so funny now that you say that, John and
Speaker 4: I will missed like their art of choke or they
Speaker 4: have really good bread, you know, the pre bread, or
Speaker 4: like what are their meals? And I love their auhees appetizer,
Speaker 4: and so we're craving one of those, and we missed
Speaker 4: the energy of you know, our friends.
Speaker 3: There are the managers and the owner and everything.
Speaker 4: And then we'll be like, yeah, but do we really
Speaker 4: want to go there because that's so busy because it's
Speaker 4: just everyone always goes there now, you know, and it's
Speaker 4: like they really put them on the.
Speaker 3: Map, this Housewive show. So I don't know, it's just funny.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: So apparently Taylor, who I'm assuming they mean Taylor Armstrong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they said, okay, so I want to hear your version
Speaker 2: of the story. So Tamra said that Taylor was stirring
Speaker 2: the pot and they were talking about Tamra's inability to
Speaker 2: move on. So there, Tamra and Shannon started to get
Speaker 2: into it. Tamra tells Shannon, you're a mess. You can't
Speaker 2: get a man, and you don't own a house. Shannon responds,
Speaker 2: you're the drunk and I guess from there beings went
Speaker 2: to ship.
Speaker 1: What is your verse of what happened, Alex, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, that's the that's the version that I think happened.
Speaker 4: I just think that I think the other housewives, if anything,
Speaker 4: all the other housewives from the other franchises, what I
Speaker 4: would believe is they probably are like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: this is supposed to.
Speaker 3: Be Ultimate Girls Trip.
Speaker 4: This is supposed to be fun, but yet the Housewives
Speaker 4: of OC are bleeding over, you know, their drama, their
Speaker 4: true dramas bleeding over into this event too. I probably think,
Speaker 4: I mean my mind when I heard all that happen.
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I think. It's like, Okay, the
Speaker 4: other housewives probably didn't want any of the OC drama
Speaker 4: at that, you know, right Housewives Trip? What is it
Speaker 4: called Girls Girls Treas? Yeah, so I I don't know,
Speaker 4: but that was pretty brutal what Tamara said. So I
Speaker 4: don't blame Shannon for not wanting to talk to Tamar
Speaker 4: right now. I think they need to sit and hash
Speaker 4: it out. But at the same time, what Tamar said
Speaker 4: is true. Should own a house, shouldn't have a man.
Speaker 4: I don't care who's who's the drunk. I mean they,
Speaker 4: I mean, we all drink a little alcohol, but like
Speaker 4: I go out with her a lot of times and
Speaker 4: there's no alcohol involved.
Speaker 3: So Tammer's not a drunk at any means.
Speaker 4: I'm just letting you know, like there's many and many
Speaker 4: of times that there's no alcohol. We just have iced
Speaker 4: tea or coffee or or you know, sparkling waters. So
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say that because I am around the girl
Speaker 4: more than just on a filming occasion.
Speaker 1: Because you guys actually have a real friendship.
Speaker 2: So speaking of real friendships, Emily and Jin, First of all,
Speaker 2: Emily looks amazing.
Speaker 1: Right job if you're listening to this or just audio
Speaker 1: only where reaction that grab my water. The reaction that
Speaker 1: alexis game was so hilarious.
Speaker 4: So I mean, alexis what, well, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: I think I don't think you're reading my reaction wrong.
Speaker 4: I do think she I don't want the raindrobes to
Speaker 4: think I was rolling my eyes or making I'm nodded
Speaker 4: my head.
Speaker 3: She does look amazing, But the only part.
Speaker 4: That kind of bothers me is she's playing it like
Speaker 4: Shane on something, and she only works out seven days
Speaker 4: a week and eats chicken. And I'm like, sorry, bitch,
Speaker 4: you've been doing that for two or three years, and
Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, you dropped twenty five pounds
Speaker 4: or thirty whatever it is. It's like, no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: it's like just own it. Like like when I got
Speaker 4: my boobs, I went down a couple hundred you know
Speaker 4: CC's I was seven hundred I'm down to four fifties down.
Speaker 3: I own my shit. You know, It's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: a hiding stuff. When I got my nose job, I
Speaker 3: did it on.
Speaker 4: National television as he pulled a mile of snot out
Speaker 4: of my head because I needed a sinus redo Like
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just don't. I can't take it
Speaker 4: when women don't just own it, period, I don't know, Curls.
Speaker 4: Am I right or am I wrong?
Speaker 1: You're liftid.
Speaker 3: I've heard from.
Speaker 4: Everyone else, and oh see that what she's on. People
Speaker 4: talk around here. Everyone knows your secrets can't be secrets
Speaker 4: for long when you live in Orange County and I
Speaker 4: worked for a cosmetic and like a little I'm doing
Speaker 4: a little like sidekick with a place that also knows
Speaker 4: some of her It's just like, oh my god, there's
Speaker 4: too much talk and and you just got to own
Speaker 4: it and come out proud owning it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you said, well no, but.
Speaker 3: Maybe she will, Carlos, Let's give her the benefit of that.
Speaker 3: Maybe she's gonna.
Speaker 1: Say, but this is, first of all, I grab my
Speaker 1: water at the wrong time.
Speaker 2: Alexis Jansen, Okay, so this here.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal.
Speaker 2: This is when the housewives have to remember the ship
Speaker 2: they said years ago, because I remember every fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Emily has admitted.
Speaker 2: In the past that she was on on Zimpic when
Speaker 2: it was sort of like everybody admitted it, like back
Speaker 2: in like.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty twenty one maybe two.
Speaker 3: I take that what I said, because then she always.
Speaker 2: Out, no, no, I'm agreeing with you, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you why no, no, no, you're.
Speaker 1: Right she admitted it like four years ago. Obviously she
Speaker 1: has gotten much.
Speaker 2: Thinner, right, So when she says in her interview in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, I work out seven days a week
Speaker 2: and I eat chicken, I'm like, let's not also forget
Speaker 2: that you're also on something ozembic, GPL shot something, right.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was weird that she conveniently left
Speaker 2: it out, because my thing is this, It's not like
Speaker 2: you stop using it and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you have lost a lot of more weight, bathe on
Speaker 2: being in full glam a Taylor Swift hairdoo, and then
Speaker 2: you have on your holo, your Lululemon and you're like,
Speaker 2: you're like this on the treadmill, right, and you mean
Speaker 2: to tell me in full glam at the local Planet
Speaker 2: Fitness that you lost all that way strictly off of
Speaker 2: grilled chicken and seven days a week, come on at
Speaker 2: in there and don't forget girls ozampic works.
Speaker 3: Well, why do you say that? I thought you're not
Speaker 3: on it?
Speaker 1: No, meaning that's what she should have said.
Speaker 4: Not me, Oh exactly. Oh yeah, because I asked you before.
Speaker 4: I was like, let's just call him out because you
Speaker 4: look too good, and you're like, no, I'm just vegan,
Speaker 4: and you know.
Speaker 3: Just about it, Like, because I guess here's the thing.
Speaker 4: In all of her other interviews and her other other seasons,
Speaker 4: you see her working out.
Speaker 3: That's her thing. She's just like, I work out hard and.
Speaker 4: She owns that, and I get that, but she's been
Speaker 4: doing that her whole time. I don't That's why I
Speaker 4: just couldn't buy the whole like chicken and working out.
Speaker 4: She's been working her at ARSAF for a long time,
Speaker 4: and I think she's probably been watching what she's eats
Speaker 4: a lot, a lot. But it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I just I really want I just really want people
Speaker 4: to own it, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I want, Okay, this is the thing.
Speaker 2: I love that we got a chance to see you
Speaker 2: go through your plastic surgery journey.
Speaker 1: We saw Tammer go through hers. I love that shit.
Speaker 2: When I'll say this, and I'm not gonna call out names,
Speaker 2: as I watched your premiere and you tell me you
Speaker 2: thought the same thing, and maybe you didn't.
Speaker 1: As somebody who.
Speaker 3: Does, I do not know where you're going right now?
Speaker 1: Oh god, Well, one thing I love about you, You're
Speaker 1: honest like me.
Speaker 2: Okay, as somebody who does not live in OC right,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen these women in a year on television.
Speaker 2: As I'm watching the season premiere, I said to myself, Wow,
Speaker 2: a lot of y'all got some work done.
Speaker 1: Looks great, looks good. It's not bad. But my god,
Speaker 1: a lot of y'all got some work done. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna name names, but I.
Speaker 2: Will say it's one, two, three, three and a.
Speaker 1: Half that I said, Wow.
Speaker 3: What's the half for? You got a half nose job?
Speaker 4: Yeah, she looks like that side of her.
Speaker 2: What up? What up? Down?
Speaker 1: I'm sort of like, definitely botox.
Speaker 2: But is it great makeup or is it something else
Speaker 2: not a facelift?
Speaker 4: You can you can kind of tell as the season
Speaker 4: goes on, because sometimes it's just the good lighting or
Speaker 4: the good makeup job, and then then you see kind
Speaker 4: of the reality of it. So I think as a
Speaker 4: season goes on, you'll be able to perfect your three
Speaker 4: and a half. But can you please share it with
Speaker 4: me right now with that three and a half is
Speaker 4: or do you have to text me later? Because I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna let this go. So either you tell the
Speaker 4: rain drops now or I'm texting your hours after. Give
Speaker 4: me three and a half.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: Hey, you're not gonna.
Speaker 1: Own it, Okay, right, Okay, don't say anything.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, the first one's never going to own.
Speaker 1: Anything exactly exactly, Okay.
Speaker 3: I agree with the other two in behalf. I don't
Speaker 3: really know what you think.
Speaker 1: Rain Drops. Goodness the thing y'all know me. I'm a
Speaker 1: straight shooter.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say because I don't want no
Speaker 2: controversy over I never got any done.
Speaker 1: He's a liar, I don't know for a fact.
Speaker 2: I only say things that I think are factual, like
Speaker 2: Heathery being a fake friend. I cannot factually stay whether
Speaker 2: or not these ladies. I'm thinking if I got work done,
Speaker 2: but rain Johns let me on the comments. Who you
Speaker 2: think I'm talking about? But there's three and a half
Speaker 2: that I'm I'm like.
Speaker 4: Whoa, Well, I'm gonna be really honest with you. I
Speaker 4: got something done and you're gonna find out next week.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know you already know, but the listeners
Speaker 4: are all gonna know next week. So I am one
Speaker 4: that owns it if I do it, honey, and you
Speaker 4: are going to know everything. So if anybody else wants
Speaker 4: to do it, they can go jump on board. Because
Speaker 4: plastic surgeons on this planet, none of us should have issues. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's what they're here for. They're here a nip and
Speaker 4: tuck and that's what they're here. That's what OC's about.
Speaker 4: And that's you know, and yeah, plastic why us women
Speaker 4: look as good as we do?
Speaker 2: And do we think plastic surgeons are able to afford
Speaker 2: forty million dollar homes?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: About the comanan to ask that, because it's like I
Speaker 4: feel like, well, hear me out, so.
Speaker 2: Right, John, I'm talking about the allegation that Vicki made
Speaker 2: on her podcast with Christians Know about whether or not.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't care if I hate Vicki,
Speaker 2: I buy her hilarious. So do Vicki says that she
Speaker 2: believes that the Bros got their money through inheritance, and
Speaker 2: she doesn't know any plastic surgeon that has a forty
Speaker 2: million dollar home or empire and is not like our
Speaker 2: He should go snarky. Well, maybe Heather in mey Oscar
Speaker 2: award winning films got them the money.
Speaker 1: So that's why I have two thoughts.
Speaker 4: First of all, Okay, you don't have to just inherit
Speaker 4: money when your parents die. Your parents can give you
Speaker 4: money all along the way and say here's two million
Speaker 4: to put on your first house. Now you flip that one,
Speaker 4: Now you make five money.
Speaker 3: There's ways you can do that.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's the first thing about You don't have to
Speaker 4: have a parent alive to get money from your parents.
Speaker 3: Thank you aka my children.
Speaker 4: So anyway, living in the now anyway. The other thing
Speaker 4: is for a doctor tell me if I'm stupid, Carlos,
Speaker 4: which I know you will anyway.
Speaker 3: But if if a doctor.
Speaker 4: Is making really good money and they invest it in
Speaker 4: other things, can't they to twenty million and.
Speaker 3: Forty million dollars home?
Speaker 4: It just want to be just from them going and
Speaker 4: sewing on some boobs. It can totally be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I made a bunch of money this year, Let's go
Speaker 4: buy this property. No, so that, let's do that, you know,
Speaker 4: like invest money in other stocks and bonds and market
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, so.
Speaker 3: I totally think it. Doctor.
Speaker 4: I would love to see where my my two plastic
Speaker 4: surgeons live and see how I'm gonna ask him next
Speaker 4: time I see him.
Speaker 1: No, you should.
Speaker 2: Now, the thing is this, and Terry de Bro's defense,
Speaker 2: he's a plastic surgeon in the state of California and
Speaker 2: not just stereotype.
Speaker 1: Right. California is one of the largest states.
Speaker 2: Of people who get plastic surgery, so it's plausible that
Speaker 2: obviously he's made a shitload of money from his job.
Speaker 2: But to your point, I'm pretty certain based on the
Speaker 2: circles he's in that he's also invested in lots of money.
Speaker 2: And look, look, did they also perhaps give money from
Speaker 2: their families? Okay, I don't think the inheritance. The thing
Speaker 2: that was weird about Heathery getting mad at that comment,
Speaker 2: I thought when I said I love you a like says,
Speaker 2: I thought the same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's so many nepo babies.
Speaker 2: You don't have to have a deceased parent to get
Speaker 2: an inheritance. When I look at someone like Heather Debrey's mother, which,
Speaker 2: by the fucking way, at eighty four years old, she
Speaker 2: looks amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I love her style.
Speaker 4: But real quick, let me add this in before Terry
Speaker 4: de Bro also think about this, has done many other
Speaker 4: TV shows that he's made a fortune on too, So
Speaker 4: I don't I think that it doesn't matter how they
Speaker 4: got their money. They're obviously very intelligent, very successful people,
Speaker 4: no matter how they get it.
Speaker 3: So who cares? I don't, I just who cares?
Speaker 1: Yes, And thanks to our girl Lizzie or Lizzie note him.
Speaker 2: Terry did a podcast where he did stay how he
Speaker 2: invests his money, and I believe that the thing is this.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that people that Terry operates on are
Speaker 2: people in circles of investments, whether it's their wives or
Speaker 2: the men themselves or vice versa, is just the world
Speaker 2: they in. That's why I find it to be so
Speaker 2: interesting in that comment. So when it came to Heather
Speaker 2: being mad at it, I'm like, Heather, there's other things
Speaker 2: they can say about you. I didn't think that was
Speaker 2: a disc and I don't think Vicky meant it as
Speaker 2: a disc I think Vicky. Look, Vicky loves to remind
Speaker 2: people that she makes her own money and she's proud
Speaker 2: of that, and I love that for her. So was
Speaker 2: it a little bit of snarky, Sure, but I don't
Speaker 2: think that's And somebody said to me, Carlo gets his
Speaker 2: money from an inheritance the large sum. I'd be like, thanks, bitch,
Speaker 2: because my parents did an amazing job working and setting
Speaker 2: me up for success too, right, so.
Speaker 4: Right, And I mean most wealthy people don't like just
Speaker 4: tell their kids you don't get anything.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 4: You want to try to help your kids as much
Speaker 4: as you can if you've got the means to do it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So I want to get into the Valentine's party.
Speaker 2: But before we begin to that, a new girl named
Speaker 2: Carmela was introduced to the show courtesy of Jan What
Speaker 2: are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: I mean right now, as I've got two broken nails
Speaker 3: on this hand.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I have been so busy obviously with the wedding
Speaker 4: and stuff, so I know everyone's getting see that.
Speaker 3: But I heart her. I so far, it's only the
Speaker 3: first episode. I think she's going to bring something free.
Speaker 4: She has some good singers and is obviously not she
Speaker 4: just brings a whole different kind of feel.
Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you think.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think the thing is this.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I find to be so
Speaker 2: interesting is the fact that she's a former play Boy playmate.
Speaker 4: Right, we're gonna mansion on you in the bunny House
Speaker 4: that Hugh Heffner's keep in mind.
Speaker 3: But she says she didn't have relationships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's one of the girl pretty.
Speaker 3: Girls prancing around all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Not many women can say they've done that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So one of the things that I find to
Speaker 2: be interesting is that. But again, I think she's somebody
Speaker 2: who is so different than I'm intrigued by her. Yes,
Speaker 2: and that's what I like. Like she she's not your
Speaker 2: typical OC housewife in terms of visual and I find
Speaker 2: that to be something that I look forward to seeing.
Speaker 2: And she's a she gives me that she's she has
Speaker 2: a little kick in her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I love when I said she's she
Speaker 4: brings a different, like a difference to the crew.
Speaker 3: She's a little bit more, she's a little bit more tough.
Speaker 4: She seems a little tougher like like not so like
Speaker 4: some of the girls will kind of sugarcoat things here
Speaker 4: and there and do she just seems like she's bold
Speaker 4: and tough and just kind of stated as it is.
Speaker 4: So I really like her little dynamo zest that she's
Speaker 4: bringing right now on the first It's only.
Speaker 3: ABOD episode one, so I don't know.
Speaker 4: And you know what's also interesting, they introduced her on
Speaker 4: episode one, Carlos, most seasons they woul don't introduce the
Speaker 4: new girl to episode two after they've reconnected everyone with
Speaker 4: the past cast, then they bring the new girl in.
Speaker 4: But she was brought out on episode one, so I
Speaker 4: thought that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: No, for sure, and that's why for me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: she is somebody who I definitely think is going to
Speaker 2: be very interesting as a new housewive. So I'm really
Speaker 2: intrigued with her. Bickie decided to come to the party.
Speaker 2: She had assist removed, and before she got into the party,
Speaker 2: she has a braze. She's trying to put a bandage
Speaker 2: on it. Those are the funny moments that I do
Speaker 2: appreciate about the OC.
Speaker 4: See, she owns what she gets done. She's not She
Speaker 4: went on a facelift back on season like seven or six.
Speaker 4: She went on the TV show when we were filming
Speaker 4: and had just got a facelift, that she comes to
Speaker 4: this party and I'm like, VICKI, what are you doing here?
Speaker 4: You had your facelift four days ago or a week ago.
Speaker 4: And she was just like yeah whatever. She just owns
Speaker 4: it and doesn't care. She's just like here I am,
Speaker 4: this is me. And that's what I love about her.
Speaker 4: She's very authentic and her her just herself.
Speaker 3: So love her, love love love it.
Speaker 1: And I even thought it was funny to.
Speaker 2: See Shannon get into her dress outside, you know, like
Speaker 2: those are the funny moments that I think OC does
Speaker 2: well is playing, you know, into the tropes of the comedy.
Speaker 2: So Heather Debro spent seventy five thousand dollars on this party.
Speaker 1: Not sure where that much money went. Towards.
Speaker 4: The drapery alone in that place was probably twenty five
Speaker 4: grand just let you know.
Speaker 1: The are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: The red stuff that was all around the walls.
Speaker 4: That stuff's very expensive, Carlos, very expensive to just drape
Speaker 4: the place. I mean, I know all the vendors probably
Speaker 4: came in for free because they wanted pro bono or whatever,
Speaker 4: but like, but like the just it's just I can
Speaker 4: see where the many went, the ice luge, lou luge
Speaker 4: if she almost said.
Speaker 3: What almost said like glob yeah, girl, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: But the that that's like twenty five hundred unless they
Speaker 4: got that one pro bono too for you know, saying
Speaker 4: that they were the.
Speaker 3: Ice sculpture place. I don't know, but I can see
Speaker 3: where the seventy five grand went.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good party, and I like the
Speaker 2: fact that her son Nick hosted it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a beautiful party. I thought. I was like, gosh,
Speaker 3: I wish I wouldn't get one that was a cute one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fun, it was really good. So Shannon and Tamar
Speaker 1: are avoiding each other and we.
Speaker 4: No, nope, no correction, Shannon and Tamar are not. Shannon
Speaker 4: is avoiding Tamra because Tamar was very willing. It looked
Speaker 4: like to me, which I should maybe ask Tamra this
Speaker 4: if maybe I'm speaking out of turn here, but Tamara
Speaker 4: looked to me like she was when when when she
Speaker 4: was talking to Vicky and Shannon walked by, I felt
Speaker 4: like Tamra was watching Shannon just to be able to say,
Speaker 4: like just to wave and say hi, like because the
Speaker 4: one thing I know about Tamara is she doesn't really
Speaker 4: want to carry grudges.
Speaker 3: She doesn't.
Speaker 4: Oh, she's not that, she's She's just like, I just want,
Speaker 4: you know, we got to do a TV show here,
Speaker 4: Let's just go on with our lives and just work,
Speaker 4: you know. And so I don't know, I think it's
Speaker 4: Shannon is avoiding Tamra. Is what I got from this
Speaker 4: entire episode, including what Shannon always said in all of
Speaker 4: her confessionals, you know, like, just don't talk to me,
Speaker 4: don't wan anything to do with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it puts Vicky in the middle because
Speaker 2: she's friends with Tamarra. She she's friends with Shannon. What
Speaker 2: advice would you give Vicky because she isn't a rock
Speaker 2: and a hard place, because she loves both women, and
Speaker 2: Shannon's in Mexico with her right Her and tam.
Speaker 1: Are been on the show together since season two.
Speaker 2: And you could tell that she really misses having this
Speaker 2: treas amigas as a cohesive unit.
Speaker 4: Well, before I answer your first question, I wanted to
Speaker 4: ask you that do you miss the trace amgas like
Speaker 4: and do you think it is there's a chance that
Speaker 4: would ever come back?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't care about it. The thing is this,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be honest with you. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of times people.
Speaker 1: Involved within the show want to recreate magic.
Speaker 2: Based on the heyday of when it was funny and
Speaker 2: great and organic and genuine that these people have relationships
Speaker 2: and they try to recreate the magic years later, but
Speaker 2: too much damage has been done. So because of that,
Speaker 2: I have no desire to see treas a megas because
Speaker 2: it would never be what it was. It's just Shannon
Speaker 2: and Tamara will never ever ever trust each other. They
Speaker 2: will never be able to fully immerse themselves in having
Speaker 2: a real friendship because too much has been done on
Speaker 2: both sides, right right, in all fairness on both sides.
Speaker 2: And I think even when Tamara brought up with her
Speaker 2: and VICKI went through, she was like, that was some
Speaker 2: petty shit, like it was never anything deep. And that's
Speaker 2: why I believe how they are able to reconcile. I
Speaker 2: don't miss it because too much time has passed to
Speaker 2: where they could ever get back to that being organic.
Speaker 4: I agree, I just when I see the flashbacks to it,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest, I do kind of miss it.
Speaker 4: I wish there was a way, but I don't You're right,
Speaker 4: I don't think they're ever going to be able to do.
Speaker 3: I mean, it could be Vicky and Tamra doing a solo, or.
Speaker 4: It could be Vicky and Shannon doing a solo. So
Speaker 4: back to your question about Vicky, what does she do?
Speaker 4: It's really hard to be the friend in the middle
Speaker 4: because I had to do it for that seat when
Speaker 4: I was with tam season eighteen, when I was in
Speaker 4: between Tamra and Gin, And it's really hard because you're like, girl,
Speaker 4: don't talk to me about her because I like her. Girl,
Speaker 4: and talk to me about her because I like her,
Speaker 4: And then it just it's just and neither of them would.
Speaker 4: They were both very very you know, conscious of it,
Speaker 4: and they were very good about just knowing Alexis is
Speaker 4: cut cought in the middle. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: how can they either really trust me, both of them,
Speaker 4: because it's kind of like, okay, but you're friends with
Speaker 4: her and I don't like.
Speaker 3: What she just did.
Speaker 4: So I think for Vicky, the most important thing she
Speaker 4: can do is put that line in the road right there,
Speaker 4: lying in the sand that don't talk about Shannon, don't
Speaker 4: talk about Tamara to me.
Speaker 3: Because I like you both, and just be.
Speaker 4: As authentic as she can and just see where the
Speaker 4: friendships take her and who knows, you know, what scuffles
Speaker 4: any of them are going to get into this season.
Speaker 4: And I would truly like to see where Tamara and
Speaker 4: Shannon could just be at least work cordial, you know works.
Speaker 1: Yes, I only care about seeing that.
Speaker 2: I want to see them be cordial because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, They're never going to be what
Speaker 2: they were, and I'm okay with that. As a you are,
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. I rather see, Honestly, I'd rather
Speaker 2: see Tamera and Vickie's friendship and and moments from those
Speaker 2: two because they have so much history and I I
Speaker 2: find them to be more genuine as a person than Shannon.
Speaker 1: Shannon is not.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I don't think Shannon is a genuine
Speaker 2: human being. I just think she's self absorbed and only
Speaker 2: cares about herself and Archie and her kids.
Speaker 3: Well, she's got Troy now, she has what Roy. Don't
Speaker 3: forget you have Troy, who's true her new dog.
Speaker 1: Oh that's it? So all right, So we we touched
Speaker 1: on this a little bit.
Speaker 2: Jen tells Tamera jin Jin was the all star in
Speaker 2: this episode.
Speaker 3: She got muscles this season.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Look she looks gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I mean I mean muscles.
Speaker 4: I mean muscles in like the in like not just this,
Speaker 4: but like in the fact that she's so strong, not
Speaker 4: just her muscles that are physically there, but like just
Speaker 4: the strength she's bringing to be able to call this
Speaker 4: out and say, cause two years ago, I don't think
Speaker 4: she would have done that. She was kind of getting
Speaker 4: her feet wet in the whole show, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: I just did be like, Wow, someone has to bring in.
Speaker 4: If Tamra's not gonna this season, someone's got to be
Speaker 4: the one to be the bold one.
Speaker 2: So agreed, agreed, and Jen does it well to where
Speaker 2: she's so likable that the women can't be mad at
Speaker 2: her for doing her job.
Speaker 1: It's like, I get it, you have to do it.
Speaker 2: So she tells Tamra, like, look, Heather said at dinner
Speaker 2: where you weren't present post reunion that she puts you
Speaker 2: in a box. She knows how to compartmentalize the friendship
Speaker 2: she has with you. And the look on Tamra's face
Speaker 2: was like it was it was so real. She did
Speaker 2: not know this Tama was caught off guard, and I
Speaker 2: think I think Tamra in that moment. Alexis was like,
Speaker 2: I can't give them old Tama.
Speaker 1: She's like, I need to leave. I feel the grit.
Speaker 4: I mean, she's like telling her ears, no smoke, don't blow,
Speaker 4: don't blow your gasket, Tarra.
Speaker 3: So her face was kind of like.
Speaker 4: What do I do in a situation like this one?
Speaker 4: I want to punch them. I want to go punch somebody.
Speaker 1: Ye, yes, yes.
Speaker 4: She was like holding it together, holding it together, and
Speaker 4: she probably got in that car and.
Speaker 1: Was like, you know, Caughtaddy went off. I felt bad
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 2: But the best part, to me, this is why shout
Speaker 2: out to the producers for this moment. The best part
Speaker 2: to me, you could not script it. As Tamra is
Speaker 2: being told this information by Jen, Heather de bro walks
Speaker 2: up and Tamra refuses to give her eye contact, and
Speaker 2: Heaven's like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: What happened? What was being said?
Speaker 2: And Tama's like, I'm gonna leave, thanks for the party, goodnight,
Speaker 2: takes her boxes her swag and leaves, and have is
Speaker 2: like what the fuck? And Jen's like, I told her
Speaker 2: what you said? And just like you fucking bitch, Like
Speaker 2: I just started to get back and go graceious with
Speaker 2: this woman, and here we are. And I loved it
Speaker 2: because if I'm going to see Heather de bro get
Speaker 2: checked this season for being duplicitus and a double agent,
Speaker 2: season twenty, you have me where you started, you know.
Speaker 3: Carlos, I have to say this.
Speaker 4: You and I were both like, after watching that trailer,
Speaker 4: Let's be honest, we were both like, gosh, this is
Speaker 4: going to be a boring season. And then I thought
Speaker 4: after episode one, I'm like, Season twenty has me hooked.
Speaker 3: I cannot wait. I am so like, wow, this is good,
Speaker 3: this is good stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah that I thought it was a great premiere.
Speaker 1: By the way, I did too.
Speaker 4: I was very happily surprised and loved loved it, loved it.