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Speaker 5: Hi.

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Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 4: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 4: that our loved ones have survive physical death, and so

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Speaker 4: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Did I

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Speaker 4: ever tell you I take requests. I know a lot

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Speaker 4: of people who deal with afterlife and afterlife communication, but

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Speaker 4: I don't know everyone. So we have listener Karen d

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Speaker 4: to thank for this one. She reached out and asked

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Speaker 4: if I could share an episode with Joshua Lewis, who

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Speaker 4: created the Hope spirit Box app. Yes to communicate with

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Speaker 4: your loved ones, So thank you, Karen. Let me tell

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Speaker 4: you about josh He's spent many years studying clairvoyance, connecting

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Speaker 4: people with their deceased loved ones as a medium. He's

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Speaker 4: author of the book Finding Hope in the Afterlife, and

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Speaker 4: he's creator of the Hope spirit Box app and HSB

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Speaker 4: Pro computer program, which uses instrumental communication along with the

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Speaker 4: user's intuitive abilities to communicate with your loved ones in

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Speaker 4: the afterlife. Joshua also hosts a very popular YouTube channel

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Speaker 4: called Hope Paranormal. So here is my interview with Joshua Lewis.

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Speaker 5: My story is a little unconventional. Over twenty years ago,

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Speaker 5: I kind of had a rough past. I definitely got

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Speaker 5: into trouble a lot. I had addiction in my life

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Speaker 5: and I had to deal with that and overcome that.

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Speaker 5: And when I came out the other side of that,

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Speaker 5: I was fortunate enough to make some money for myself

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Speaker 5: and some businesses that I had started. And when I

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Speaker 5: did that, I started really focusing more on the spiritual

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Speaker 5: side of what there is. And I've always felt a

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Speaker 5: spirituality but I was curious as to what was out there.

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Speaker 5: I saw shows like ghost Adventures and stuff. I didn't

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Speaker 5: know what to really believe. Were they showing us stuff

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Speaker 5: that was dramatized or was it real? So I just

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Speaker 5: started taking myself out into the field, cemeteries in other places,

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Speaker 5: abandoned buildings, more of a paranormal investigation. And I started

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Speaker 5: recording very clear voices saying my name, saying their name,

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Speaker 5: saying the light, all kinds of other things that they

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Speaker 5: was real. I just kept going further, and I didn't

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Speaker 5: realize that I was going to get way more than

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Speaker 5: I bargained for. And here i am over a decade later,

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Speaker 5: and I'm doing some pretty amazing things that I give

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Speaker 5: credit to the big guy upstairs. And that's how it is.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, there was some really instrumental, key moments in

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Speaker 5: I was praying, and I was talking to myself and

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Speaker 5: I dumped on her. And afterwards, you know, she gave

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Speaker 5: something that we get like first Holy Communion and I

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Speaker 5: I'm just a spiritual guy. She took this off her

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Speaker 5: She goes, God wants you to have this, and I

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Speaker 5: said I cannot take that kind of gift, and she said, well,

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Speaker 5: but she said, no, you have to take it, and

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Speaker 5: helped me understand that there was a higher power, a

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Speaker 5: that my higher power could move mountains to put someone

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Speaker 5: in my path if I needed it, And that was

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Speaker 5: unbelievable for me. That situation never left me, that experience

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Speaker 5: felt that when I pray and I talked to my

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Speaker 5: higher power, God, he's listening. So that was a really

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Speaker 5: powerful moment for me. She gave you hope. She gave

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Speaker 5: me hope. She gave me houp. That's a perfect way

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we need that, we need to know that

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Speaker 4: we're supported absolutely from the invisible source, but also from

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Speaker 4: human beings working through that. So you clean yourself up.

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Speaker 5: I've got nineteen years sober now. Yeah, agulations, thank you.

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Speaker 4: And you have a family, right, I do.

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Speaker 5: Have a beautiful family. I have two daughters with a

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Speaker 5: always been an entrepreneur. I've always loved business. I've had

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Speaker 5: some properties and some other businesses, but it's been hard

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Speaker 5: what I have found out. So I've kind of dedicated myself.

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Speaker 5: I make a fraction of what I used to make,

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Speaker 5: and that's okay. Sometimes it is a little tough, but

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Speaker 5: I don't care because I do receive messages from people

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Speaker 5: that I'm working with, patrons, clients, followers that have read

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Speaker 5: the book or use the app, or have had a

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Speaker 5: reading with me or a session with me, and the

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Speaker 5: amount of hope that they get, the amount of peace

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Speaker 5: that they get, it's unmistakable, just amazing. I don't take

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Speaker 5: an extension of him. I feel like to help me

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Speaker 5: That's all I can ask for. So that's really what

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to do on a regular basis, if I can.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations. Now, when did you get into the medium side

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Speaker 4: of things and start studying clairvoyance? Was that before paranormal stuff?

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Speaker 5: Great question. Yeah, So right after I was capturing these

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Speaker 5: know and you should work with her. So I invited

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Speaker 5: stuff there and got some names and I didn't tell

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Speaker 5: And so she comes out and she starts getting names

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Speaker 5: Once I felt that, I said, lead me in the

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Speaker 5: found Debrelyn Katz, PhD. She has the International School of Clairvoyance,

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Speaker 5: her and I signed up with some courses with her

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Speaker 5: had with Debra, she was amazing. She says, all right,

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Speaker 5: she goes, I'm going to do something with you right now.

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Speaker 5: She goes, I'm going to give you a name, just

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Speaker 5: anything else, and that's it. And for thirty minutes, I

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Speaker 5: don't know what you're getting if it's right. She's not

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Speaker 4: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain and we are

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Speaker 5: Here's more, when I tune in, I can pick up

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Speaker 5: very accurate information. So now, three thousand readings later, I've

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Speaker 5: I can't quantify it. I can't say now I'm a

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about the box, because not many people know

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's true. The presentation that I did at the

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Speaker 5: It's all gibberish. It's reversed, it's slowed, it's chopped up

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Speaker 5: And we give that to Spirit to you use in

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Speaker 5: and I give everyone the same tools for them to use.

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Speaker 5: It's not like it's a proprietary box that only I

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Speaker 5: The names will be said what color is this, and

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Speaker 4: my EVP works that we have to use our own

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Speaker 4: intuition with some Some are loud and clear, you can

431
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Speaker 4: hear the s andl I mean, that's all real. Some

432
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Speaker 4: we have to use our intuition. And I would never

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Speaker 4: tell a mom I can't hear it. It's that's great.

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Speaker 4: Keep doing it when we are grieving, and I'm sure

435
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Speaker 4: you've dealt with loss as well. To be able to

436
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Speaker 4: channel that energy into something constructive is amazing. And I

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Speaker 4: also believe Joshua that when we head over to the

438
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Speaker 4: other side, it's not like we're given a manual with

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Speaker 4: all information in the universe. I think we need to

440
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Speaker 4: learn how to do this. And my ninety one year

441
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Speaker 4: old grandmother this might not be her deal, but a

442
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Speaker 4: young man that I know that was big on electronics

443
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Speaker 4: and always on his phone might be a thing you

444
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Speaker 4: want to talk about some of that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's very true. The majority of the people I

446
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Speaker 5: ask for are people's loved ones, Okay, but I also

447
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Speaker 5: ask for well known people. And I can't say that

448
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Speaker 5: I know for sure that I've got these well known

449
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Speaker 5: people coming through, but I ask for people that I

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Speaker 5: feel a connection to. I've asked for Anthony Bourdain and

451
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Speaker 5: John Candy, and I've asked for so many different people.

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Speaker 5: And it is amazing how some people on the other

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Speaker 5: side can use the stuff better than others. Like you

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Speaker 5: just said, so, some of the older people sometimes are

455
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Speaker 5: a little bit slower to get it working. On the

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Speaker 5: other side, some of the younger people, and they work

457
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Speaker 5: it pretty well. Some of the well known entertainers, I

458
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Speaker 5: feel like they've been able to work it exceptionally well,

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Speaker 5: I think. But I try to explain the process to

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Speaker 5: the spirit, to the soul as I'm doing it, like hey,

461
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Speaker 5: I'm going to ask you a question, and then I'm

462
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Speaker 5: going to slide this gate open and let some sound

463
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Speaker 5: come out and a little light's going to come on.

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Speaker 5: And sometimes it takes them a little bit of warm

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Speaker 5: up to get it going, and I just keep on

466
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Speaker 5: working at trying to improve it. What's cool about the

467
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Speaker 5: program is that it's an ever evolving program for me

468
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Speaker 5: that I can continue to do things to improve it.

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Speaker 5: Maybe the box is kind of locked in where it's

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Speaker 5: at and I can't do too much to that anymore,

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Speaker 5: but with the program, I can keep on finding ways

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Speaker 5: to improve it. And so that's what we're doing, me

473
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Speaker 5: and my developer, and we'll sit on the phone for

474
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Speaker 5: hours and we'll listen to some feedback from other people.

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Speaker 5: And what I'm getting feedback from the spirit saying you

476
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Speaker 5: need to put a light. Someone said on the other side,

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Speaker 5: you need to put a light there on the box.

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Speaker 5: So I added a light so that every time when

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Speaker 5: you slide the gate open, the minute you open it up,

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Speaker 5: and that's how it works. It stays quiet and the

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Speaker 5: sound runs in the background where you can't hear it.

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Speaker 5: So you pick a sound that would fit that loved one,

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Speaker 5: like a man's voice or a woman's voice, and you

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Speaker 5: have to focus.

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Speaker 4: We're going to head to a break, but hey, you

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Speaker 4: might want to download the Hope Spirit Box app and

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Speaker 4: Joshua will give us some instructions and more when we

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Speaker 1: Now let's get back to more with Sandra.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 4: Let's hear more from Joshua Lewis, creator of the Hope

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Speaker 4: Spirit Box app.

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Speaker 5: I've worked with BIX, the Big Low Institute of Consciousness Studies.

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Speaker 5: I've worked with some forensic audio experts. I've worked with

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Speaker 5: a number of other people, and I continue to look

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Speaker 5: for other professional and other institutes to work with. I

513
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 5: want to share this work with others. But a lot

514
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Speaker 5: of people don't realize that in order for the equipment

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Speaker 5: to work, you have to be tapping into the intuition,

516
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Speaker 5: and so that's not very scientific to scientists. Someone who's

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Speaker 5: going to be very rigid, their results may vary from

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Speaker 5: someone like you or I who know to use our

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Speaker 5: intuitive ability. So if I focus on a loved one

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00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 5: or a person, I see their face, I invite them in,

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Speaker 5: I dialogue with them even before turning on an app

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Speaker 5: or a program or a box, then when I go

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Speaker 5: to use the equipment, it will work better. So that's

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Speaker 5: what I have found. We're just continuing to improve it.

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Speaker 5: That's all I can say. I guess, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's good.

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Speaker 4: Is it important you think that people take that fifteen

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Speaker 4: minutes quiet their mind, talk to their loved one, get

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Speaker 4: into that space. I personally do anytime I did EVP work,

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Speaker 4: I to always create space, create the energy, or visualize it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean there are patrons that sometimes partake in

532
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Speaker 5: the group sessions and maybe they say they didn't have

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Speaker 5: time to do my little meditation that I sent them,

534
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Speaker 5: and it will still work because their loved one is

535
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Speaker 5: still willing to come through. But I find that the

536
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 5: results are not as strong. And so the meditation I

537
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Speaker 5: send people is the brief seven minute grounding where you

538
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Speaker 5: ground yourself. You visualize grounding yourself to the earth and

539
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Speaker 5: having like a grounding cord and you, you know, send

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Speaker 5: out any kind of residual, crappy energy that you might

541
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Speaker 5: have picked up from the world, and you call down

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Speaker 5: the light through you and you really center yourself. And

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Speaker 5: then the second part of that meditation is walking into

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Speaker 5: an astral room and inviting your loved one to come

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Speaker 5: into the room with you and envisioning seeing them there,

546
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Speaker 5: giving them a hug, smelling them, peering them, feeling them.

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00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 5: You know, I say, touch their face, give them a rose.

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Speaker 5: There's a couple things that I have you do in

549
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Speaker 5: that meditation, and many times people have an experience with

550
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Speaker 5: that even before they even do the session with me.

551
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Speaker 5: They're like, I saw them, I had this great feeling

552
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 5: with them. So it's almost like you can do that

553
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Speaker 5: without even having to do a session with me. And

554
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Speaker 5: I've said that to people many times, just to do

555
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 5: when they can't afford a reading or something. I'll say, here,

556
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: there's free options for you to do on your own.

557
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Speaker 5: I don't need to make money off you. It's not

558
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Speaker 5: about that. It's I don't make very much anyway, so

559
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 5: it's just about helping you get an experience. So yes,

560
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Speaker 5: it is important to really focus, take that time and

561
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Speaker 5: focus and call them in before you do any other

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Speaker 5: kind of work.

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Speaker 4: From all my twenty six years sitting in the afterlife,

564
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Speaker 4: I know that the top way people come through through

565
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Speaker 4: our imaginations, through our memories, through our feelings, and it

566
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Speaker 4: is the first thing that people will throw away as

567
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Speaker 4: it's just my imagination and you know, through being a medium.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how it works. That's what they works, that's

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Speaker 5: how it is.

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Speaker 4: So to trust you know when you've given the meditation

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Speaker 4: that that could be that, and keep working on it.

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Speaker 4: I would always say when I did the EVP stuff,

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Speaker 4: make a date with your loved ones. Okay on Tuesday

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Speaker 4: and Thursday at seven o'clock, I'm going to be here.

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Speaker 4: We're going to do that right and let them practice

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Speaker 4: as well. Right, keep a journal, right, because the mind

577
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Speaker 4: is going to want to tell you that was your imagination.

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Speaker 5: I tell people write down these responses because we forget

579
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Speaker 5: them and our mind starts to discount them. What you've

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Speaker 5: said is exactly right. Set dates, set times, you know.

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Speaker 5: I got to say Pam Johnson, she's got Soulmates in

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Speaker 5: the Afterlife, and she's got this great group where she's

583
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Speaker 5: teaching people how to have an ongoing relationship with their

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Speaker 5: spouse or with their loved one on the other side.

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Speaker 5: And I had been teaching people that same stuff already,

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Speaker 5: and then to find out that she's got this group

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Speaker 5: and she's doing that. You know. She came to me

588
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Speaker 5: and she got a session with her husband, Alan on

589
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Speaker 5: the other side, and Alan came through exceptionally well. He

590
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Speaker 5: was great. Many of her other members that had spouses

591
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Speaker 5: on the other side saw that session and they came

592
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Speaker 5: to me and the things that they were able to say.

593
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Speaker 5: I told her, I said, because of the work that

594
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Speaker 5: you've done with these people and prepping them, it's made

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Speaker 5: their sessions that much stronger. When they came to me.

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Speaker 5: One woman just recently, she did a session with me

597
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Speaker 5: where she was asking for her husband and she said,

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Speaker 5: I feel like my husband is building a house for

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Speaker 5: us on the other side to live it, you know,

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Speaker 5: and to anyone here on earth, that sounds a little wild, right,

601
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Speaker 5: but we don't discount it because there's so many things

602
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Speaker 5: that have been already validated. So anyway, so we're doing

603
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Speaker 5: the session, I'm asking for him to come through the box,

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Speaker 5: and at the end of the session, I offer people

605
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Speaker 5: not just the session, but I offer a photography session,

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Speaker 5: kind of like what Sonya Ronaldi does, which is just

607
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 5: amazing what she's done. I saw that documentary that you

608
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Speaker 5: were in with her, and so she's really cool. And

609
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Speaker 5: so I do some stuff with water. Itc digital, itc

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Speaker 5: the matrixing of the cameras and stuff. So I asked

611
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Speaker 5: him the husband. I said, she feels that there's a

612
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Speaker 5: house that you're building on the other side. Can you

613
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Speaker 5: confirm that? And he goes, yes, a big, lovely house,

614
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Speaker 5: he says, it through the box. And then after that

615
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Speaker 5: I go to the water. It s it's a bowl

616
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Speaker 5: of water with a light aimed at it, and you

617
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 5: have to agitate the water and you invite them to

618
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Speaker 5: come and show themselves, and you have to snap a

619
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Speaker 5: number of pictures, and then it's tedious to go back

620
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Speaker 5: through and you have to look through each picture and

621
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Speaker 5: see a lot of times they show their faces. I've

622
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 5: captured many faces of the loved one that we can

623
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Speaker 5: validate with a picture. But this time I didn't capture

624
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Speaker 5: his face. I didn't capture a face. But in the

625
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Speaker 5: bowl of Water, almost like a perfect house is shown

626
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Speaker 5: with a roof, two stories, a porch. I'm telling you

627
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Speaker 5: it's architecture in a bowl of water. It's one of

628
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Speaker 5: the most remarkable pictures I've ever seen. So not only

629
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Speaker 5: was he able to validate through the box audibly, yes

630
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Speaker 5: I'm building a big, lovely house, he was able to

631
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Speaker 5: show a picture of a house with a roof in everything.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy, crazy and great. Yes, that's great.

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00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 5: It's great.

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Speaker 4: Of course, So somebody right now has probably already downloaded

635
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: the app. I guarantee you that what advice would you

636
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: have for people to it? Because to me, it took

637
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: a little something to figure out, like what it.

638
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 5: Does, it's an a traditional thing.

639
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Speaker 4: I don't read instructions too well. I just want to

640
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 4: dive in and play with it.

641
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Speaker 5: No, I know you'll be anyone else that does that. Now,

642
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 5: I totally get that, and I'm like that too. The

643
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Speaker 5: best thing I could say is this, definitely take that time,

644
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Speaker 5: like we said to focus beforehand, right, at least do that.

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Speaker 5: Then sit quietly and pick out a voice. There's a

646
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Speaker 5: number of different see if I can even just pull

647
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Speaker 5: it up while I'm talking to you. But there's a

648
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Speaker 5: number of different voice tracks that you can choose. So

649
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 5: on the bottom of the app there's a little lifeline

650
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 5: thing and you hit that and it will bring it

651
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 5: to the box, and then there's a select a bank,

652
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 5: so you would select a bank. There's a bunch of

653
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Speaker 5: different gender tracks. So I'm just gonna pick middle aged

654
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Speaker 5: male for right now. I'm going to pick that. Okay,

655
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 5: So you're going to want to hit record. So when

656
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 5: you're ready, everything's pretty much all set up. You don't

657
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 5: have to like set any settings or anything like that, Okay,

658
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 5: but you want to record because even though you may

659
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 5: hear something in real time, you really want to record

660
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 5: it so you can go back and listen to it

661
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 5: or share it with others, or you may miss it.

662
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 5: But when you go back and listen you're going to

663
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 5: catch it. So I like to hit record and say, hello, Hello,

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Speaker 5: this is me sending you love. Can you hear me?

665
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 5: And then stop? So that's it, and the length of time,

666
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 5: and it sounded like something might have come through. I'm

667
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 5: not going to go back and listen to it now,

668
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 5: but it sounded like maybe someone's sitting here with me

669
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 5: listening with me, which happens a lot of times. But

670
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 5: when we're opening this gate, we want to hit the record.

671
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 5: You ask the question nothing too long, something somewhat direct,

672
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 5: and then you just want to slide this thing open

673
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 5: for a second or two and then close it, and

674
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 5: so there's a little bit of a delay the sound

675
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 5: will come out, and then you want to stop recording.

676
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 5: Don't open this thing too long, Okay, it's just a

677
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 5: second or two, and then close it. And then eventually

678
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 5: you can work your way up to maybe opening it

679
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 5: up just a tad longer and letting a little bit

680
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 5: more sound come out. But that allows for just the

681
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: right amount of sound that the spirit can use to

682
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 5: form their own response. And you're hoping that they're only

683
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 5: giving you a two to three word response, because anything

684
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: longer can be a little tougher to make out at

685
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 5: first if you're kind of getting started and know that

686
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 5: it's not going to maybe work at first. It may

687
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 5: take a little bit of time for you to get it,

688
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 5: for your loved one to get it. But it works.

689
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 5: It works like there's no question about it. If you

690
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 5: read the reviews, some people will say, oh, I didn't

691
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 5: get anything, but the majority of the people that left

692
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 5: reviews are like, this is amazing. I'm getting direct responses

693
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 5: with my name saying yes, I'm right here. There's no

694
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 5: words in this thing. There's not a single word. It's

695
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 5: all gibberish. I've always asked paranormal investigators, well, how do

696
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 5: you think that PSB seven or the radio spear boxes work?

697
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 5: And some have thought that they're plucking words from the

698
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 5: broadcast and timing it upright to give a response, and

699
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 5: I said, no, I don't think that's what it is.

700
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 5: And I did a lot more testing to figure that

701
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 5: out that No, they're taking the errant sound and forming

702
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 5: their own responses with it. So that's how it's being done.

703
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 4: I believe that one hundred percent all leading stuff I've done,

704
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 4: that's totally what I believe. And there's no time they say.

705
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: On the other side, so what seems to us like

706
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 4: a split second to them, oh, they could have been

707
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: working on it twenty minutes, getting about right.

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Speaker 5: I will say that I have had times where I'm

709
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 5: late to doing a session and they'll say, we've been

710
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 5: waiting here for you or you're late. And I thought

711
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 5: that was interesting because as I understand that there really

712
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 5: is no time on the other side, I think when

713
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 5: they're interacting with us, they have to interact with time.

714
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: I've had them say, you know, well he waited and

715
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 5: he left or something like that, or you know, why

716
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 5: haven't we spoken a while? You know someone I've asked

717
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: for a while ago, and then I've asked for or

718
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 5: I'll ask for them again they'll say like it's been

719
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 5: a while or something. So I don't know exactly what

720
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 5: the relativity is as far as the time goes, but

721
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Speaker 5: I think that there's some kind of interaction with time

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Speaker 5: still on some level.

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Speaker 4: And we have to remember our people there still have

724
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Speaker 4: their personality. We have to be polite, right, this is

725
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 4: a big thing, and they're really working hard to work

726
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: with us. They are respectful of somebody's time who's alive, right,

727
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 4: So we got to the same thing right. We're going

728
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Speaker 4: to take a break now, but before we do, I

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00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: want to tell you, as I'm editing this episode for

730
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: you on my phone, popped, you have some memories. And

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Speaker 4: for those of you who have been listening for a while,

732
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 4: my former boyfriend died not too long ago, and so

733
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 4: these former memories are with him. Is it him trying

734
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 4: to come through? Do we want to do a little

735
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 4: experiment while we're together today? Maybe we'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's producer Tom of Coast to Coast, A

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Speaker 3: m and more.

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Speaker 8: Sandra starts right now.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

752
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 4: and you're hearing from Joshua Lewis, who is the creator

753
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 4: of the Hope Spirit Box app HSB pro computer program.

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00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 4: You can find out more about him at Hope Paranormal

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00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 4: dot com. But let's find out about Josh's book, which

756
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: is called Finding Hope in the Afterlife.

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Speaker 5: So Finding Hope in the Afterlife, it's available on Amazon,

758
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 5: and the first part of it really is my personal story,

759
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 5: the nitty gritty of it. I really hold nothing back.

760
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 5: I share a lot of difficult I don't say embarrassing,

761
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 5: but just very tough moments that I was very vulnerable

762
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 5: in sharing that I wanted to do that. But then

763
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 5: I really break down a lot of other things. I

764
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 5: break down the definitive facts that I have found from

765
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 5: doing this work, not the speculative stuff, just on my

766
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 5: beliefs about religion, about how some of it can also

767
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 5: counter what we're finding. I mean, there were so many

768
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 5: things that I didn't know if I was going to

769
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 5: be able to put in there, and I almost thought, Oh,

770
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 5: that's too heavy or that's too crazy to talk about,

771
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 5: and I almost would go past it and not put

772
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 5: it in. But I felt the guides and the divine

773
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 5: help bring me back to that point and say no,

774
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 5: that needs to go in there or whatever. This was

775
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: my personal relationship with Jesus Christ, which is not a

776
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 5: religious thing. This is not about religion at all. I

777
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 5: talk about the other aspects of intuitive ability. I talk

778
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 5: about the scientific work. I've done experiments in PK in

779
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 5: moving things with my mind. I mean, that's pretty awesome

780
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 5: stuff I've been able to successfully do that. I've done

781
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 5: astral projection. I mean, I did an experiment where I

782
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 5: asked three people on three separate occasions. I said, I'm

783
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 5: going to visit you at night in spirit that before

784
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 5: you go to bed, text me and let me know

785
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 5: you're going to sleep, and I'm going to go and meditate,

786
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 5: and I'm going to leave my body in astral projection,

787
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 5: and I'm going to go into your home and give

788
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 5: me permission to do that. I'm going to just tap

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00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: or touch a part of your body, and in the morning,

790
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 5: when you wake up it's like a dream, you're going

791
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 5: to just know if it worked. I don't know if

792
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 5: it will work, I said, but if it does, you'll

793
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 5: wake up and you'll just know exactly where it was

794
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 5: in what happened. Just text me. And the first person

795
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Speaker 5: I did this too. It was actually a client that

796
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 5: I helped her with an investigation. So I leave my

797
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 5: body and I see above my house and I fly

798
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 5: like in a second, and I go to her front

799
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Speaker 5: yard and I go in her house, and it seemed

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00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 5: like her dog noticed when I came in, which is interesting.

801
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 5: And I go into her bedroom and I see her

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Speaker 5: right ankle, and I see that there's a tattoo there,

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00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 5: which I did not know she had. I couldn't tell

804
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 5: what the tattoo was because it was still a kind

805
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 5: of a little blurry, but I tapped her on the

806
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 5: tattoo on the right ankle. When the next morning she

807
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 5: woke up, she goes my right calf, my right ankle,

808
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 5: and I did it two more times and it worked

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00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 5: all three times. But the last person was a friend

810
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 5: of mine, and his right arm was hanging off his bed.

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Speaker 5: And this is like one of my best friends, and

812
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 5: so I grabbed his wrist and I really squeezed it.

813
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 5: Not that he him, but he's like one of my buddies.

814
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 5: We always played around and joked around. But I really

815
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 5: squeezed his wrists to see if anything could happen. And

816
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 5: the next morning he woke up and he sent me

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Speaker 5: a picture of his wrist. There was a red mark,

818
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 5: and so you could tell that that is what's happening.

819
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 5: That someone can still affect from the other side, affect

820
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 5: this environment, and that experiment really proved that. So there

821
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 5: was a number of other things that I worked on

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00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 5: that I talk about in the book, and because I

823
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 5: really wanted to dive into all aspects of different modalities

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Speaker 5: and different intuition.

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Speaker 4: You know, Oh, so glad you did. Yeah, you know,

826
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Speaker 4: if people can turn lights on and off and change

827
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 4: the station, there's almost so many things that we can do, right,

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00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 4: I don't know how easy it is, will know once

829
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 4: we get there by manipulating it. Why not? And I've

830
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 4: been studying a lot and talking to our friends at

831
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 4: ions Institute for Noetic Sciences there about our consciousness being

832
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: outside of our body. So yeah, it's not when we die.

833
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: What's possible when we're human. And Joshua, I just want

834
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 4: to thank you for what you have put in the book,

835
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 4: because nobody wants to learn from a person that seems perfect.

836
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: They don't we want to know somebody's been in the trenches,

837
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 4: they've had it tough, and then here's where we're at.

838
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 4: And your life isn't perfect. My life isn't perfect, but

839
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: we found our passion. And better than finding passion is

840
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: being of service. And I think anytime we set our

841
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 4: eyes on making a difference with another person or people,

842
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 4: we can't go wrong. Whatever that is. So I really

843
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: want to thank you for just being real.

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Speaker 5: I think what you're saying is exactly the truth. And

845
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 5: I'm not knocking anyone. But if I hear someone talking

846
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 5: like they've mastered life, they have no more fear, They're

847
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 5: like floating on air. God bless you, that's great. If

848
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 5: you have reached that level, I think that's awesome. But

849
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 5: I am still spiritual, being heavy human experience, There's no

850
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 5: question about that. But I'm a flawed individual and I

851
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 5: don't want to act like I've got it figured out.

852
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 5: I still have doubts, I still get angry sometimes, I

853
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 5: still have moments. I'm very human in that sense, and

854
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 5: so I'm trying to figure out things. I'm trying to

855
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 5: understand things, and I think it's important that I share

856
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 5: that vulnerability with you, that I don't have all this

857
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 5: thing figured out. There's a famous line in Red Hot

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Speaker 5: Chili Pepper's song It's like the more I see, the

859
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 5: less I know, the more I'd like to let it go.

860
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Speaker 5: And that's really an amazing line, because as I get older,

861
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Speaker 5: I feel like it's the less I know, it's really not.

862
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Speaker 5: I think it's just a little bit more maybe humility

863
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Speaker 5: I'm hoping creeping in. And that's all I'm trying to

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Speaker 5: do is gain a little bit more humility because Senter

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Speaker 5: or Saint, I am his child, and if I can

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Speaker 5: remember that at all times, then I'm in a good space.

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Speaker 4: You know, Yes, you are now on my show here

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Speaker 4: we mainly talk about the afterlife, but I know you've

869
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Speaker 4: got the pretty big YouTube channel, Hope Paranormal, and for

870
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Speaker 4: people that are interested in delving further into the paranormal realm,

871
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Speaker 4: I wholeheartedly suggest your website Hope paranormal dot com, but

872
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 4: also following you on YouTube. You've had some interesting interviews

873
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Speaker 4: and you've got a lot going on there, young man.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. You know it used to be

875
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Speaker 5: more paranormal ish, I think when I first started out.

876
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 5: You know, I still do a paranormal investigation. I hold

877
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 5: live events where I'll do a three day live event

878
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 5: where the first day we'll do a little investigation at

879
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Speaker 5: a location, the second day I'll give a presentation on

880
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 5: the stuff that I found, and then the third day

881
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Speaker 5: I'll give a gallery group session for anyone that's in attendance.

882
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 5: So it's kind of this afterlife experience that I like

883
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 5: to do. But the majority of the sessions I'm doing

884
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 5: are more their advanced instrumental transcommunication session, so it's not

885
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 5: as much paranormal anymore. Like hope is an acronym, it

886
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 5: used to be for helpers of paranormal entity, but I

887
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 5: think it's evolved now more into helping other people evolve.

888
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 5: That's really what it feels like for me now, but

889
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Speaker 5: it's been a ten year period of evolving to that.

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Speaker 4: You know, I love it. Well, our time is coming

891
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 4: to an end. Is anything else you'd like to share

892
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 4: before we go our separate ways?

893
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 5: No, Just again, I have to say that I love

894
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 5: seeing you in that documentary with Sonya Naldi. I think

895
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 5: that was amazing, and the work that she's doing and

896
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 5: the interviews that you're doing, I think is fantastic, and

897
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 5: so I hope to work with more and share more

898
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 5: about this. But I thank you for the work that

899
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 5: you're doing and spreading this around, so I think it's

900
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 5: just awesome. So thank you.

901
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 4: You're welcome. I can't help but share what I love

902
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 4: and share people that I love, and you're just real,

903
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 4: you know, thank you real. And I think if we

904
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 4: can remember when the first cell phones came out, how

905
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 4: big and clunky they were, and look what we have now,

906
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 4: same thing with your spirit box. You just don't know

907
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: how that's going to evolve and who may also get

908
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: involved and create, and it just could be the start

909
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: of something slighted, really special.

910
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 5: Thank you special, So thank you look forward.

911
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: Josh is a pretty cool guy, isn't he? And I

912
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 4: do believe that it's out of our deepest, darkest, most

913
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Speaker 4: painful times that we experience soul growth and in that

914
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Speaker 4: we go on to share and make a difference with others.

915
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 4: You might not write a book, you might not create

916
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 4: a spirit box app, but just by being around someone else,

917
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,959
Speaker 4: you might have the perfect thing they need to hear

918
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Speaker 4: for what they are dealing with. Now, what I'd like

919
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 4: to do is just open up this Hope spirit Box

920
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 4: app and see if my dear Michael would like to

921
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 4: come through. Yeah, and the last segment together, all of

922
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 4: a sudden on my cell phone popped up some memories

923
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 4: with him, and that's very rare for that to happen.

924
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 4: So let's go for it. So my cell phone is

925
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 4: in my hand with the Hope spirit Box app open.

926
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Speaker 4: In honesty, I have not sat for the fifteen minutes

927
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Speaker 4: and done the meditation, but let's try it. Okay, First

928
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Speaker 4: I have to pick out the voice, so I'm picking

929
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Speaker 4: older male two, which won't make him very happy because

930
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 4: even though he was in his fifties when he passed,

931
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 4: thought of himself as a very young man. I'm pressing

932
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Speaker 4: the record button and it says, allow Hope spirit Box

933
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Speaker 4: to use your microphone. Yes, I'll click allow, Michael. I

934
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Speaker 4: am recording an episode of Shades of the Afterlife, and

935
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Speaker 4: we want to say hello, do you have some words

936
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: for me or our audience today? I couldn't hear that,

937
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 4: but let's try that again. And let's try that one

938
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Speaker 4: more time, and I promise the next time I'll follow

939
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 4: Joshua's instructions and do the meditation. That sounded like it

940
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: could have been a hello. I'm not sure as I

941
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 4: know with EVPs, sometimes with only a one minute recording,

942
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 4: it may take an hour to go through and keep

943
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 4: looping the voice over and over until either you understand

944
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 4: it or you wish to throw it away. I hope

945
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 4: you enjoyed this episode today. Like any EVP work, it's

946
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 4: not a one shot deal. You have to practice. Your

947
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 4: loved ones have to practice. I'm taking it as a

948
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 4: sign that Michael wants to communicate this way by having

949
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: those pictures randomly show up on my phone while I

950
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 4: was editing this episode. You never know. What we do

951
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: know is that they are around us, they love us,

952
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 4: that life after death is real, that our life here matters,

953
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Speaker 4: and we are a one of a kind, divine soul

954
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: having a human experience. Well, my friend, our time together

955
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Speaker 4: is up. I want to remind you come visit me

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Speaker 4: Atweedn'tdie dot Com. Always so many good things going on,

957
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 4: including our free Sunday gathering with medium demonstration included. We've

958
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 4: got some great medium classes. You don't have to be

959
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 4: a medium to participate. It's just an opportunity to experience

960
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 4: your soul in action and our loved ones come through.

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Speaker 4: If you're a fan of this show, feel free to

962
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Speaker 4: give me a rating on one of those podcast apps

963
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Speaker 4: and let me know what you think. In closing, I'm

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Speaker 4: Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to Shades

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