1 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom from Gleed and Nip Tuck Monsters, 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: The Lyle and Eric Menendez Story. One of the most 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: prolific writers, producers, and directors in Hollywood today. This is 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy. So let me get a window into your day. Okay, 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: speaking of windows, ready, I mean, where do you even 6 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: hang out on an Emmy nomination day? Is that? I mean, 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: there is this old hat for you and you just 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's nice. Yeah, I humble, you say, yeah, 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: it's the work. We just put it out. If it's 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: well received, I'm honored. Or do you sit there with 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: your cell phone and assistance and just baited breath waiting 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: for the Emmy stuff to come out. 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: It's funny because I used to do that. I started. 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: I had my first Emmy nomination in two thousand and 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: three for directing the pilot of Niptuck. I would say, 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: Glee through Niptuck, Glee American horror story, even people versus 17 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: OJ like I was. You know, they used to do 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 3: it at five point thirty in the morning, and now 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: they mercifully moved it to eight thirty to be on 20 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: the New York newscast. So I used to be up 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: at the crack of dawn, and I would sit there 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 3: and I'd pace, and you have my coffee and worry. 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: The interesting thing about it is today my company received 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: its three hundred and fiftieth Emmy nomination, which which was 25 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 3: a big number for me because I've only been doing 26 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 3: this for like twenty one years. So that I found 27 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: that out later, but that put in perspective. Note what 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: happened is I went to bed and I thought, I'm 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: going to wake up. I'm going to wake up. And 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: then I woke up, and then I forgot, and then 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 3: I remembered, and I turned off my phone and I 32 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: went to the live feed and I just watched some 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: him in and I wrote down all the different ones 34 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: that my company got, and you know, for me at 35 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: this point, it's all gravy. But I was thrilled. I 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: was frilled for thrilled for like people like you know, 37 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: Heavier Bardem who's a legend, so I think it's his 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: first Emmy nomination. And you know, Cooper Kotch, who plays 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: Eric Menendez, first Emmy nomination. So for the people who 40 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: were you know, first time at bat, it's amazing. And 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: then you call everybody, Yeah, it's a it's a very 42 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: strange feeling to go from like the underdog to the institution. 43 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: So you say, does it like it's just it's all blessing, 44 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: you know, and I feel happy about it, but I'm 45 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: oddly very competitive, like it is, Yeah, it matters, right, 46 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 3: Like for me, you're probably a sports guy, yeah, of sports. 47 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 3: Like so the Oscars and the Emmys and the Grammys 48 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: were my super Bowl, my World Series. 49 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: So it's it's it's a childhood thing. 50 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: And when you say underdog, you mean you're still that 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: guy just starting out, and so you still. 52 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: Have yeah, that person. I mean, you know, when I 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: first started out, it was a really different time in 54 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: our culture, and the stuff that I was writing was 55 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: pretty boundary pushing, and I was always told you were 56 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: never it was never going to go, you were never 57 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: going to get anywhere. 58 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: So then when it. 59 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: Would click and it would be a hit, I would 60 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: always be surprised. 61 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: But people would. 62 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: Write, you know, underdog, underdog, new new kid, new kid 63 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: in town. I'm no longer than new kid. I'm old, 64 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: I have three children, and but it's it is still 65 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: a thrill. I'm always shocked where it's like it's a 66 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: dopamine buzz and also sometimes you don't get in like 67 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: and I also I have those years, but to make 68 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 3: it into the big three race, comedy, drama, Limited, it's 69 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: it's a thrill. 70 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: And what is it? I mean, over the years, how 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: much pressure, because it is it's unbelievable how many projects 72 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: you're working on at the same time, how many projects 73 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: have been under the belt, et cetera. And the success 74 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: obviously you've had, But I mean, how about the pressure 75 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: you put on yourself constantly. I mean, you're competing against 76 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: this guy, Ryan Murphy, like you got, You're competing against yourself. 77 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: You're only as good as your next film, your next, this, 78 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: your next or do you feel like that? Or is 79 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: this just all gravy? 80 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 3: And you're like, man, I got nothing to prove, you know, 81 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: for me, I just got named into the Hall of 82 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: Fame and the ceremonies in the middle of the August, 83 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: and like, you know, for my business, that's kind. 84 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: Of all right. You did it. 85 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: So like, why am I still changed chasing the carrot? 86 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: You know, I got the carrot. I don't feel that 87 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: way anymore. I used to sweat every award nomination and 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: every ratings point, and now you know, I really just 89 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: do one new thing every quarter, maybe one and a 90 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: half every quarter. 91 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 2: Right now, I'm working on six shows. 92 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: I have six shows coming out starting in September, one 93 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 3: a month. 94 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: And you know that's not one and every quarter. 95 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: I'm just talking about since the Hall of Fame. Okay, 96 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: this is pre Hall of Fame. I had something to prove. 97 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: But you know, I have somebody coming out in September, October, November. 98 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: I have a very big slate. But moving forward, I'm 99 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: just kind of you know, my kids are young, and 100 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to concentrate more on my family and 101 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: and all the things I'm working on. I'm just fascinated by. 102 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: But when you're in the volume business, you have to 103 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 3: realize you can't. You know, not everything can be a hit. 104 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: Some things aren't going to work and they're going to 105 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: break your heart. But show business breaks your heart. You know, 106 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: only mentally disturb people go into people just like politics. 107 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: Only if you were a usually unloved child, would you 108 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: go into needing that. 109 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: Not enough hugs from mom? 110 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: I mean that's how I feel. With enough psychiatry. 111 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to I don't want to know. 112 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I went through that, and I'm like, oh, yeah, 113 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: this hole is never going to be filled up, so 114 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter. 115 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: I just like that I'm able to I have a very. 116 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 3: Large company and just so many thousands, if not hundreds 117 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: of thousands of jobs that I'm able to create like that, 118 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: and my dotage is the thing that I'm actually the 119 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: most excited about. 120 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: When you say volume business, I mean that's that is 121 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: the business, or it's become the business, or it's the 122 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: side of the business that you want to pull back 123 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: from and just focus on quality, or is it quality 124 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: and quantity? I mean, how do you balance the creative 125 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: of the artists at the same time the commercial with everything. 126 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: It's funny when I started off, I would go I 127 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: started off as a journalist, so I moved to California, 128 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: and I think I'll told you this years ago when 129 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 3: we first met, Like I was paid if I didn't 130 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 3: do three stories a. 131 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: Day, I would not be paid for the week. 132 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: And I had to do fifteen stories a week to 133 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: get a paycheck. And I was young and living off 134 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: coffee and cigarettes, and so I've never understood the concept 135 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: of writer's block. I was lucky and that I had 136 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: that journalistic. 137 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: Training, like you just right through it. 138 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: And when I started off, I would do like one thing, 139 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: but I had so many interests in Like in my 140 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: journalistic days, I would cover so much territory, you know, 141 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: and your work. 142 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: Ever the Miami Harold you were going to and what 143 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: was the what was the job was it in the 144 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: in what what was You're not doing sports? You weren't 145 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: necessarily doing daily news? What were you doing primarily. 146 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: Or or I started off as a crime reporter crime, 147 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: you know. 148 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: I I started off in journalism when the Purple section 149 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: of USA Today came about the life section. So I 150 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: was going to be a journalist and there weren't a 151 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: lot of people specializing in being culture reporters. So in 152 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: college I started to do that. But when I came 153 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: out to l A, I was covering everything from crime, 154 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: the riots to the. 155 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: Jaja board trial. 156 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: It was very bizarre, but you know, I was just 157 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: like in my car driving around trying to find stories. 158 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: And from I developed a lot of interests and my business. 159 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: You know, I start my day very early and I 160 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: do editing and story meetings and then I put the 161 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: kids to bed and I stay up till one thirty 162 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: or two in the morning preparing for the next meetings. 163 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: So when I walk into a room, I'm not somebody 164 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: who says, well, what do you think. I'm like, Okay, well, 165 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: this is what we're doing because I'm being paid to 166 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: have a vision. And also at this point I have 167 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: enough hours structurally to figure out. It's not that I 168 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: don't take input, because I do. But my job is 169 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: to have a People want to be led, as you know, 170 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: they want to be following a direction, right. So my 171 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: business now is there's some things that are just really 172 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: big commercial hits in my company that I have other 173 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: people run, like Timinier, my great friend runs the nine 174 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: one one franchises. 175 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: The only thing my older child likes that I've. 176 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: Ever done, not only one Nashville. 177 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: He and I we're starting nine when one Nashville comes 178 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: on in September, and then I do. It's it's crazy 179 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: the things I do, Like it's all over the map. 180 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: I have a show on Netflix called Monsters that I love. 181 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: I have. 182 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 3: Other things I'm developing for FX. I'm doing this thing 183 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: called The Beauty with Jeremy Pope and Effan Peters and 184 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: Rebecca Hall and Anthony Ramos. That's kind of a sci 185 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: fi show, which I've never done before, a lot of 186 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: action which I've never done before. 187 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: That I'm doing the JFK Carolyn Bassett. 188 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: Yes, you are in next with February and. 189 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: On Valentine's Day. I've been dodging a lot of heat 190 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: for that. 191 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: How do you by the way, I don't even want 192 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: to go down that rabbit hole, but but yeah, I 193 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: mean right, the family, you know, and consultant or how 194 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: do you how do you even how do you process that? 195 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: I tie in. 196 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: I try and have some humility about it, you know, 197 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: for example, on that show, and I haven't really spoken 198 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 3: about this. You know, when you're starting a show based 199 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 3: on a famous person, you're usually able to, for a 200 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: couple of days say well let's try that, and let's 201 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 3: try this, and let's try that, and then you look 202 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: at the dailies and you adjust. It used to be 203 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: that you shot the first episode and then you went 204 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: down and you corrected everything, and then you went back up. 205 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: It was called pilots. They don't do that anymore. 206 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, great point. 207 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: So that show was the double whammy of you know, 208 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: we were shooting a couple things and I guess it's 209 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: a blessing that people went absolutely ape shit crazy about 210 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: you got the purse wrong, you got the hair wrong, 211 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: you got so it would be stupid not to listen 212 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 3: to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, And I looked 213 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: at him, like, yeah, they're right. We should not have 214 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: Karen Beset. Our actress Rebecca Pigeon had black hair. It's 215 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: a lot to ask an actress of dark hair to 216 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: go blonde, and so I was trying to do wigs 217 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: and work around that, but finally was like, you know, 218 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: we we have to. 219 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: We have to Sarah Pigeon, brother, we have to. We 220 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: have to dye your hairs. It's not going to work. 221 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: So we corrected that. And then the thing that I 222 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: was not. 223 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: Prepared for was sort of the Kennedy firestorm, right, which 224 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: I thought was very strange because they're there, nobody's read anything. 225 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: It's very sympathetic, by the way, So it's a love story. 226 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: It's not a takedown. It's a story about youth taken 227 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: too soon and idealism, things that we need more in politics. 228 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: You know. JFK. 229 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: Junior was probably going to be on that path of 230 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: his father understatement. So it's a tragedy. So then you 231 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 3: have a member of the family, you know, speaking out, 232 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: and I took it with a grain of salt. You know, 233 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: it's a younger generation. But I will say in finality 234 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: about that project. You know, there've been over eighty eight 235 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 3: things movies and television shows about the Kennedy's right, not 236 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 3: one has ever been authorized by the family. 237 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: I never even thought they wanted to do that. 238 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: So ours is based on a book that's very sympathetic 239 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: to both both people, with Paul and Sarah of playing 240 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 3: you know, their hearts out. So that was that was 241 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: an odd, dark moment for me where I've never that 242 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: criticism hurt. I thought it was an odd choice to 243 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: be mad about your your relative that you really don't remember. 244 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: I think, but you know this from being in the 245 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: public eye yourself. Like the days of civil discourse are over, 246 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 3: and it's very hard and you kind of either get 247 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 3: into the muck or you try and rise above it. 248 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 249 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 3: I found that hard to do, but I did it, 250 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: and I'm I just have a better attitude about it, 251 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 3: I think than I did before I started. And you know, 252 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: but I'm also thankful for the criticism because if you're smart, 253 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: you listen to critical and you. 254 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 2: Say Okay, that's great, and we fixed it. 255 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 3: We we we we rolled up our sleeves and we 256 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 3: listened to people and corrected it. 257 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: And I like doing that. 258 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: But you take on these projects that, by definition, everyone 259 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: feels very attached to, connected with. 260 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: Which I'm stupid because I never think that, Like I'm like, what, 261 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: like what? 262 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 2: I always am drawn to things that I guess are 263 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: naturally provocative. 264 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think of them as being that, and 265 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: then I put them out and people have huge opinions 266 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,599 Speaker 3: of them, and I'm always like, wait, what I don't understand. 267 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: But that's a blessing and a curse, you know. 268 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: And is this, I mean, is it you? Is it 269 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: a team of people say, hey, Ryan, I got this 270 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: great idea. You know, it's been a few years since 271 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: Jackie or this or that, I mean Menendez where there's 272 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: a couple of things that were here's a new angle. 273 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: Or is it you? You just you know, you're constantly 274 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: absorbing and you're sort of picking I mean, your ability 275 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: to sort of this intersection of how you're able to 276 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: pull genres and sort of connect dots that other people 277 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: have seen. Is that is that you? Or is that 278 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: the team you've assembled? And is that expression as it 279 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: relates to your leadership, your ability to sort of create 280 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: the conditions where this kind of creativity formats well. 281 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: First and foremost, you know, I have amazing collaborators, many 282 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: of whom I've had for many years, like you know, 283 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: Brad Simpson and Nina Jacobson who did Forsasci and OJ 284 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: with me and Pose with me. And Ian Brennan, who 285 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: does all of the Monstrous scripts is one of the 286 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 3: most brilliant, if not the most brilliant writers I've ever 287 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: worked with. 288 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: I worked with. 289 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: Max Winkler, who is Henry Winkler's son, who's an amazing collaborator. 290 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: Many many people, but it really kind of my world. 291 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: My company starts with me saying, hey, I'm interested in 292 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: that in that yeah, and then I assemble people and 293 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: we have points of view. Sometimes I'm very hands on. 294 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm more like, well, you write a script and 295 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: show it to me and I'll give you thoughts. But 296 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: anything that I make I have really big opinions on 297 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: because I'm passionate about it about it. 298 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: And over the years, have you learned through trial and 299 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: error the things you weren't passionate about were reflected negatively 300 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: in the outcome or oh yeah, I mean that truly, 301 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like you just that was it showed Well. 302 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: The biggest bomb I ever had was a sitcom. I've 303 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: really only had one or two misfires. 304 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: On my career, just that one NBC thing, right. 305 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: You're so yeah, but that was it. That was it. 306 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: One year, one season. 307 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: Yes, the other ones. I've made the decision. Okay, that's 308 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: not for me. Maybe I don't want to keep doing 309 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 3: it because you know, in my contract I can make. 310 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: Those decisions now, right. 311 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, I made a thing called The New Normal 312 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: that because I'm like, you know what, these modern family 313 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: guys are raking in the dub with this half hour. 314 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: I want to try a half hour sitcom. 315 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 3: And I tried it, and I loved the talent, particularly 316 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: Andrew Rynolds, who loosely played me. 317 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: You know, Ellen. 318 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: Barkin was amazing, and it justin Bartha was amazing, and 319 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: I got somebody like Max Winkler, that was the person 320 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: I worked with him. But it just was not me. 321 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: It wasn't I don't think it was dark enough. Or 322 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 3: my comedy tends to be much more sardonic or sarcastic, 323 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: and it's a Family Show, you know, I learned like no. 324 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: And was that chasing as you say back to the 325 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: competitor and you yeah, you were chasing competition or was 326 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: it chasing money? Success? And that respect both what. 327 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: It was two things Like I mean, the big comedy 328 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: of that time that was dealing with you know, provocative 329 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: issues was Modern Family. 330 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: And I was a big fan of that show. 331 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 3: And I knew those guys from Awards show circus because 332 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: it was always us them. 333 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: Versus Glee, Glee. 334 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: But I wanted the money, to be honest, Like I 335 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: was like, you know, there's nothing better than to have 336 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: a half hour that works, you know, because but back 337 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: then is that where. 338 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 2: That's where where they pre streaming you could you could 339 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,359 Speaker 2: you know, syndicate it forever. 340 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: And that was all I was one of the holy 341 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: grails of show business. This thing that Norman Lear told me, 342 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 3: who I was friends with, He said, kid, get a 343 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: half hour. 344 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: Get it. 345 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay. I tried, and I just 346 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: couldn't do it. I had a great collaborator and Ali Adler, 347 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 3: but I just could not do it, and I hated 348 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: doing it. I did it was like it wasn't me. 349 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: It was just like I had an allergy to it, 350 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 3: and I've had other things that I've tried where I'm like, nah, 351 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 3: maybe I'll pick it up down the road. 352 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: This wasn't the right fit for me right now. 353 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: What on the flip side just something that just you know, 354 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: you didn't expect, but you just that popped. 355 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: That got so many things. 356 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: I mean, almost all of my big hits were and 357 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 3: I've had a handful more than a handful are things 358 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: that people said this will never work. And I had 359 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: great mentors and Dana Walden who we were talking about 360 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: in John Langgraf and Ted Sarandos. For example, Glee was 361 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 3: told it was a horrible show by people in that company. 362 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: But Dana Stock, what's stuck with that American horror story? 363 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 3: Everyone is like, what, You're going to burn down the 364 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 3: sets at the end of the year and start over. 365 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: It made no sense, right right? John Langraft was with it. 366 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 3: Nobody, you know, I tried to get the Jeffrey Dahmer 367 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 3: story made for a decade, couldn't get that made. 368 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 2: I was shocked at that was so big. 369 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 3: I would say, almost everything that I've had that is successful, 370 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: I'm surprised by. 371 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: Did you know Menandez would be such a huge global 372 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean it was worldwide, just off the charts, right, 373 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: twelve million or so within that first weekend. Now I 374 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: don't know those are I. 375 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: Mean, you know, it was interesting because I realized, like, 376 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: what was the thing that made Dahmer so. 377 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: Popular? And I think it was it was scary. Yeah, 378 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: you know, it. 379 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: Was your secret about the guy next door who's you know, 380 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 3: doing dastardly things. Menindez I always thought was smaller because 381 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: it was a raw Mons story who'd done it? Like 382 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 3: why not who done it? But why did they do it? 383 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 3: I was surprised. 384 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 2: I was. I was very surprised that. 385 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 3: It became such a lightning rod literally within a day. 386 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: I was very surprised initially that the brothers spoke out 387 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 3: so vociferously against it. And I was very surprised where 388 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: you know, two months ago they thanked me and said, 389 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 3: you know, actually you helped us, like you you did 390 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: a good thing. I was surprised at that. I'm always 391 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 3: I'm always surprised at success and I always expect failure. 392 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: I guess you're that guy. You yeah, Because like you know, 393 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 3: I have always lived my life as a Catholic. 394 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: I was an altar boy. 395 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 3: Right, So my motto on my life, I mean in 396 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: the choir of all things, yes, and running cross country. 397 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: Don't forget I was a. 398 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: Job a little bit forgiving. 399 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 3: My motto in my life has been, guess what happens 400 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: when the pope dies? 401 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: You get a new pope. 402 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: That's always what I have been raised to think. So 403 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: if something doesn't work out, roll up your sleeves and 404 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: try again. You know, when I started off, I was 405 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: in a writer's group of six people. I was in 406 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 3: two writers groups. The first one. They were all much 407 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 3: more talented than me. But the problem was they just 408 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: they gave up. They got one rejection and they literally psychologically. 409 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: You know, you're in politics. It's it's devastating when you're 410 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 3: not chosen, you know. And in politics, like in show business, 411 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: you've won big. You know that feeling where you win, 412 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: and you also know the feeling well maybe not, I 413 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 3: don't think you've ever really publicly lost that much, but 414 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: you know you've you've had a bit. 415 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: Of recall efforts, I mean, to the edge, but. 416 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 2: You beat it. 417 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: There's no but the loss that I've had experience. 418 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: And you know, I've had friends who've run for big 419 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 3: offices and lost and it's devastated, it's personal, and I guess. 420 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: You just feel that way. You felt that way, but 421 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: you were resilient. 422 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 3: I just was like, what can I learn from it? 423 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: And I always take to my bed for a day, 424 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 3: you know, I always am like, I have a martini 425 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: and take to my bed. But then I'm like, all right, well, 426 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: what are you going to do here? You go on 427 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 3: because the next one might be a hit. And in 428 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: my case, I've been blessed enough that that's exactly what 429 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 3: happened in my career. 430 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: Honestly, do you you just write a list down of 431 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: all these crazy ideas. You're on a trip, taking a vacation, 432 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: and then you see, you know, I don't know, you 433 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: see a statue of someone. You're like, I'm going to 434 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: do a movie on Marcus Aurelius or something. 435 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: Or Da Vinci. 436 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: No one's talked about Da Vinci, and he's you know, 437 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: he's an interesting character. And then ten years later you 438 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: go back to the diary and you go, oh, yeah, 439 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: what about that Da Vinci idea? 440 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: I do have a little black book that it always 441 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 3: starts off, what about dot dot dot right? I have 442 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 3: that I've been writing ideas down for you know, twenty 443 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: two years. The model of my careers always do the 444 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 3: opposite of what you just did. So, for example, if 445 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: you look at my fall in September, I have nine 446 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 3: one one Nashville, which is very straight up the middle Americana. 447 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 3: Good guys solve, you know, solving problems. You root for 448 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 3: them heroes, right, And then I did the complete opposite 449 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 3: of that, which then in October comes Monster season three, 450 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: which is about ed Gean. 451 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what Gan? No? 452 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: Okay, Psycho was based on ed Geen America. Silence of 453 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: the Lambs just based on that. 454 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: Jesus, I don't want to watch it. 455 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: Why do you want to watch all this negative stuff? 456 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: I don't know that it's negative. You like, you love 457 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: all that stuff. 458 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: I remember, by the way, the Menendez that we were 459 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: having full disclosure. I think it was a lunch we 460 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: did and you start talking to me about this and 461 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: you all but said I'm sorry. You said you're sorry, 462 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, I didn't fully appreciate. Oh right, 463 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: you were. I think, I mean sorry. 464 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what people are going to say, but 465 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: I think I think, well. 466 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: This is what I knew from them an indes thing. 467 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: You know, I moved to la in nineteen eighty nine, 468 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 3: so that was when you're new to a city, and 469 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 3: that double, you know, almost had happened soon after I 470 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 3: was you know, when I would see Dominic Donn at 471 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: the Chateau Marmont. 472 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: And you know. 473 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 3: What I was aware of is that during COVID a 474 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 3: lot of young people on TikTok had made it a thing, 475 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: and I kind of, you know, I'd like to be 476 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: aware of what people are saying culturally. Listen, it hadn't 477 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: even aired, but I think what I said to you, 478 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 3: if TikTok is any indication, I think people will be 479 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 3: very interested in this. 480 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: But again, I don't know. It could be a bomb. Yeah. 481 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: And the reason and I said we'll talk in here, 482 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: we are we'll. 483 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: Talk only because you knew cause and effect and great 484 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: it will bring this back. There'll be conversations about their 485 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: sentencing ultimately led to their resentencing. And we're just a 486 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: few weeks away August twenty. First and second, I think 487 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: where the pro board is going to make a decision 488 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: and make a recommendation, it lands on my desk, mister Murphy. 489 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: That's heavy stuff, heavy stuff, and you know what, intentionally, 490 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: and I remember that conversation with you. I remember going 491 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: back and I kept having a temptation to want to 492 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: see it, but with the recognition always back in my 493 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: mind that this thing may land on my desk. I 494 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: don't want to be persuaded by something that's not in 495 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: the files. 496 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. But also I think it's interesting because. 497 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: When I was writing it, you know, we had an 498 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: interesting writer's room where I was the one person in 499 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 3: the room who kept saying, I'm not so, I don't 500 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: think they. 501 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: Should get out. I was the voice of like, I 502 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 2: don't know. 503 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: I told me this at the lunch. I remember, yes, And. 504 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 3: You know what I think that was is I think 505 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 3: generation generationally, young people have a much different way of 506 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 3: identifying and talking about and navigating abuse than we did. 507 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: It's just like I remember that trial too. It wasn't 508 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: even something you could imagine or you know, people our 509 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: age are very different than younger people in terms of 510 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 3: what they see as abuse and can talk about it. 511 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: We did not, So in a weird way, what has happened. 512 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: Through the show is I was really really educated a 513 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: lot by the other people in the writer's room and 514 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 3: by the actors. I was astonished at how I went 515 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 3: into something with such a predetermined point of view and 516 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 3: came out of it at the end of it thinking, 517 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 3: you know where I am today is I really do 518 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 3: think they should be released. I do think they should 519 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: be paroled. And I did not think that when I 520 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 3: started that is that. 521 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: Evolved very recently. It evolved over the course of just 522 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: that that discourse with friends, people observing, people that watched it. Mean, 523 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: is it tell me what's been your journey in terms 524 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: of coming to that conclusion? 525 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: It was just a lot of things. 526 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: It was it was learning about Listen, what happened between 527 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: the Menindaz brothers was between them and their two parents, 528 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 3: and nobody else will ever know what happened, right. What 529 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 3: happened to me was there was a lot of very 530 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 3: interesting voices in my path along the way. You know, 531 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 3: for example, one of my good friends who's the star 532 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 3: of one of my shows coming up, Kim Kardashian. You 533 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 3: may have heard of her, arguably the most famous woman 534 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: on the. 535 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: Face of the earth. 536 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: You know, she's a very big victims rights advocate, and 537 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 3: she's very very smart, and she's you know, I can't 538 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 3: even get her on the phone to talk about our 539 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 3: show right now because she's practicing for the bar. 540 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: And she's constantly reaching out talking about cases advocating for 541 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: our fire crews that are part of our estates prison 542 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of substance there. 543 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, She's an amazing person and very very educated about 544 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 3: this topic. And so she went she she watched the show. 545 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 3: I sent it to her early because she said, what 546 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 3: can I see this? And I sent it to her early. Yeah, 547 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 3: And she was really obsessed with it and then went 548 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 3: to visit them and then called me up and said, 549 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: you know, like I really feel like they deserve to 550 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 3: be parolled. 551 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: And I said why. 552 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: And she talked a lot about a really interesting points 553 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: of view that I had not really thought about, which is, 554 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: you know, they were they were under twenty five, you know, 555 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: which I think is an interesting point of view. Yeah, 556 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: there's many studies that shows, you know, the prefrontal cortex 557 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 3: for men do not fully develop, So there's that argument. Also, 558 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 3: they've been modeled prisoners. Also, if I was very moved 559 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: by their family recently and how the family is so unified, 560 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 3: and I guess it just begs the question, like if not, 561 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 3: now when like, what benefit to society do we have 562 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 3: by keeping them there? If they can come out of 563 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 3: prison and actually serve some good, right, I think that's 564 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 3: a powerful thing. 565 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. The flip side is I've had people 566 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: say what good can come from sending a message that 567 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: you can kill both of your parents and be released? Sure, 568 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: well as society benefited with them being released, which is 569 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting. The prole process is a much 570 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 1: more limited process. You can't even get it. The conversation 571 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 1: there is have they exercised a process to rehabilitate themselves 572 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: and through an independent psych evaluation and risk assessment, are 573 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: they quote unquote suitable for parole on the basis of 574 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: in prison behavior and a series of other criteria that's 575 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: well established and laid out. And so it's an almost 576 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: separate it's not almost, but it is a separate question 577 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: then the broader feeling of whether or not it's the 578 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: right or wrong thing. So it's an interesting for these things. 579 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: That's why for me, I didn't want to be colored 580 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: or don't want to be colored by sort of the 581 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: atmospheric So I had to deal with this with on 582 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: which was that was I mean, that's a whole another 583 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: one of these days, we'll see your your efforts. I 584 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: want to see what you pulled together. I think had 585 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: enough of me. 586 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: May well, what do I ask you about? 587 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 3: What about you know one of the recent Manson girls tough? 588 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: How did you make that decisions? Brutal? 589 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I've had I've had multiple opportunities and the 590 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: burden opportunities, the gift bananan one's perspective to make judgments 591 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: on that. There's a number of the Manson folks that 592 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: have been rejected by the last three governors that I 593 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: rejected a few times. The last rejection was overturned by 594 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: the court that felt we were we were abusing our 595 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: discretion in our prole office. 596 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 2: And they're tough. 597 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: I mean, And it's thinks notoriety works in both ways, right, 598 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: it works absolutely for you, but it is a sword 599 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: used against you at the same time. And I think 600 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: that's what the Menendez what what what your series did 601 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: is it really elevated that conversation as well, because there 602 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: are a lot of other people in prison that don't 603 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: get any attention, that don't even get in front of 604 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: the parole board, that don't have advocates that don't have 605 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian making phone calls, that don't have their day 606 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: in court, so to speak, at least the court of 607 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: the parole board. And uh. And so it's, you know, 608 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: it's trying to balance all that. Same time, you've got 609 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: people that were releasing that have done equivalent or worse, 610 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: that have spent. 611 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: Less time right less time. 612 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 3: It's a very it's a very slippery slope and it's 613 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 3: a really hard road. And I feel for you, but 614 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. 615 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: It's sort of like. 616 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 3: The penal system in this country operates differently than any 617 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 3: other country on Earth, and you have to question why 618 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 3: and like, I mean, my god, if they could get 619 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: out and help two people, like, isn't that worth it 620 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: in some way? 621 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. 622 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm being too catholic about it all, but I 623 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: was astonished that I flipped, and I really did flip, 624 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: and I flipped. 625 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember how long ago that launch was, 626 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: but you were you were definitely not there. 627 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 3: I was not because you asked me blank and I said, 628 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. 629 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: I was very on the fence about it. 630 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: And yeah, and also I just think listening to people 631 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: younger than you was part of the job for me 632 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 3: at this point. Yeah, it reminds me of the general 633 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 3: there's a big generational shift happening in like Hollywood in particular, 634 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: and also maybe I'm just that age. But I tried 635 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: to listen with an open heart and educate myself about 636 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: abuse and victims and it was an interesting process for me. 637 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: And of course I love the show so much because 638 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 3: you asked me, why are you making this gross thing 639 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 3: all the time? 640 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: No, I've been back to yeah, back to what We'll get 641 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: back to the Hannibal lecter of this stuff. 642 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: Like well, like it's a it's a it's a point 643 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: of view, like try to. 644 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: Relax here, and you're making me watch this stuff. I'm 645 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: trying to go to bed. 646 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 2: I got a beautiful, buzzy law show coming up with. 647 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: I need to be relaxed, you need. 648 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: I got enough stress in my life. Okay, Yeah, you're 649 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: introducing all this additional anxiety. 650 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: I know murdered Dahmer. 651 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 3: Seriously, see, maybe you can now with you get this 652 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: what the twenty first twenty second? Yeah, then you can 653 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 3: watch the Meninda's Brothers over your labor day and. 654 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 4: Maybe I'm going to do see if I made the 655 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 4: right right like before, I would love for you to 656 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 4: watch it actually, because the thing about that show that 657 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 4: I love is asked the question are monsters made or 658 00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 4: are they born? 659 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: And your and what is your Ultimately? 660 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,479 Speaker 3: I think ultimately in the case of these two brothers, 661 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 3: I think they were made made. 662 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you think that's always the case. 663 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: I think that's what I love about the show, Like 664 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 3: if it's very complicated, like you can be. You know, 665 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 3: if you think about season three which is coming up, 666 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 3: where Charlie Hunting plays Ed Green, which is not you know, 667 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 3: for the squeamish, but really what it is about is 668 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: this was an This was a person who was mentally ill, 669 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 3: who is an undiagnosed schizophrenic his entire life, and not 670 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 3: until it was too late, till he was in prison, 671 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 3: I believe in his fifties was he diagnosed. So it 672 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 3: really is sort of a story about mental health and awareness. 673 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 3: That's what I love about telling this for the stories. 674 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 3: I'm not in it for the blood, I'm not in 675 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 3: it for the gore. I'm in it for like, well, 676 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 3: what is it was he made or was he born? 677 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: That way? 678 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: I think that that story of Ed Geen is both 679 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: he was born that way and made that way. 680 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and are you do you do? 681 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: I mean, so you have a team doing that research, 682 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: but you're writing I mean you're I mean as you're 683 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: writing this, is it coming from your own research? 684 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 3: I mean on all of my shows that are are 685 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: you know? True stories? I always say based on my research, 686 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 3: Like I have a very large amount of researchers who 687 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 3: spend years before we write something like if you look 688 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 3: at at Geen JFK. Carolyn Bassett, we spend a lot 689 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 3: of time, you know, because those things what you try 690 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 3: and do with the biopic, right is you don't want 691 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 3: to do a Wikipedia thing. You want to find like 692 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 3: the most bizarre factoys. Then you're like, oh that, like yeah, yeah, 693 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 3: you know. I remember when we were doing Dummer. I 694 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 3: was astonished by the fact that he and I never 695 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: heard this before, that he in prison would play whale 696 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 3: noises to fall asleep. 697 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 2: You can't make that up, No, you cannot make that up. 698 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 3: So it's like, well we have to put that and 699 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: that launched the sound of the score, like it's fascinating. 700 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 2: You should watch it. You would like it. 701 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 1: Don't you get handled gleat what. 702 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 2: Is your favorite show on TV? Right now? As a 703 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 2: pop culture guy, you watch stuff. 704 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: I watch a little stuff, not a lot of stuff. 705 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: You you called me to say you got to watch 706 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: The Politician. 707 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 2: Remember you did that? Okay, so you're going. 708 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: To watch that. Watch that. 709 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: You're just guy, right, I want I love that. 710 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: Makes me feel good, like a little tear in my eye, 711 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. 712 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: I love that show. 713 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, last great life is So here's the thing 714 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 3: about hard, right, well, this is my business, does this right? 715 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 3: Life is hard. Everybody's struggling. So I think you either 716 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 3: want to watch something that makes you forget it and 717 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 3: makes you laugh and it's light, or you want something 718 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 3: that is dark where you can put your anxiety into true. 719 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: I did that with OJ. I mean that was next level, 720 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: was fantastic. I was, come on, yeah, that was a 721 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: good one. 722 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 2: What good? 723 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: It was great? 724 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 2: I loved doing it. 725 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: Wasn't that was off the charts good. 726 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 3: But again that was like that had been kicking around, 727 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 3: nobody wanted to make that. It's it's funny about you 728 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 3: think now, like, well, yeah, the home Run, but it was. 729 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 3: It's it's always interesting to me about what because it 730 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 3: you know, when we were making it. So many people said, 731 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 3: why are you making this to me? And I was like, 732 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. 733 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 2: I like the story, you know,