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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're hitting

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Speaker 1: the town in Austin tonight for the iHeart Podcast Awards,

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Speaker 1: and by the end of the night, we're going to

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Speaker 1: be best friends with Chelsea Handler.

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Speaker 2: Just putting it out in the universe.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday, March tenth, and on today's show, we'll be

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Speaker 1: skipping the need to know and getting straight to the

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Speaker 1: meat of our conversation with Alicia Montano, retired, an eight

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Speaker 1: hundred meter Olympic bronze medallist and founder of the nonprofit

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Speaker 1: and mother now known as For All Mothers.

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Speaker 2: She talked about going viral.

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Speaker 1: After competing while eight months pregnant, pushing back on the

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Speaker 1: idea that women have to earn their right to enter

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Speaker 1: motherhood with their accolades, and her decision to break a

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Speaker 1: non disclosure agreement to participate in a video op ed

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Speaker 1: in The New York Times called Nike told me to

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Speaker 1: dream crazy until I wanted a baby.

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Speaker 2: Here's a little snippet from that powerful piece.

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Speaker 3: Not having any system in place to protect our female athletes,

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Speaker 3: it puts our health at risk. Our sponsors know this

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Speaker 3: isn't right, which is why they implement confidentiality clauses that

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Speaker 3: forbid us from talk about the scale of the problem,

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Speaker 3: which prevents us from being able to change it. So

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Speaker 3: companies like Nike tell us to dream crazy. We say,

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Speaker 3: how about you stop treating our pregnancies like injuries? Then

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Speaker 3: they tell us to believe in something, We say, how

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Speaker 3: about maternity leave? How about when you tell my daughter

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Speaker 3: she can achieve anything, you back it up?

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Speaker 2: Wild stuff.

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Speaker 1: That conversation's coming up right after this, joining us now.

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Speaker 1: She's an Olympic bronze medalist, two time bronze medalist in

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Speaker 1: the World Championships, a bronze medalist in the Indoor World Championships,

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Speaker 1: and a six time USA Outdoor Track and Field champion,

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Speaker 1: all in the eight hundred meters. She's also the author

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Speaker 1: of the book Feel Good Fitness, and the founder and

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Speaker 1: which is committed to breaking down the societal and institutional

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Speaker 1: barriers that too often forced women to choose between career,

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Speaker 1: competition caregiving. Their mission is to create a world where

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Speaker 1: no woman has to choose between being a mother and

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Speaker 1: an athlete. She's a mom of three, the runner with

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Speaker 1: the flower in her hair. It's Alicia Montano. What's up, Alicia.

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Speaker 4: Hey Sarah, thank you so much for having me. Thank

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Speaker 4: you for that, thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's so much to get to.

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Speaker 1: We've been wanting to have a conversation about moms and

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Speaker 1: sports for so long, and you're the perfect person to

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Speaker 1: do this. You know, I just listed off your many victories,

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Speaker 1: all your top finishes, but perhaps the most well known

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Speaker 1: race of your career was not a top finish. It

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Speaker 1: came back in twenty fourteen, you competed at the USA

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Speaker 1: Outdoor Track and Field Championships, well, eight months pregnant, eight

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Speaker 1: months That moment seems to loom even larger now with

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Speaker 1: the work that you're doing for moms. Can you take

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Speaker 1: me back to that day in twenty fourteen. Why was

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Speaker 1: it important for you to race?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So in twenty fourteen, you know, I decided I was

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Speaker 3: going to race at our US Track and Field Nationals

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Speaker 3: at eight months pregnant, after going through a behind the

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Speaker 3: scene sort of battle with the sports industry. You know,

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Speaker 3: the status quo was if you became pregnant or wanted

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Speaker 3: And these conversations were ones that were being had but

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Speaker 3: weren't in the forefront. And I knew that I needed

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Speaker 3: to make the invisible visible because ultimately, what it would

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Speaker 3: their new contracts and say, okay, well, what were to

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Speaker 3: happen if I were to become pregnant? Sponsors, brands, corporations

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Speaker 3: could easily just say we would just pause your contract

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Speaker 3: a shocker to hear that that was actually happening, and

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Speaker 3: They were like, I hope you're not worried about your contract.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I absolutely am, but yea, thank

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, those visuals of you running with your

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Speaker 1: of people. But at the time you were also criticis

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Speaker 1: can you talk about the folks who didn't think you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, ignorance exists, and that's something that

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Speaker 3: you were going to face in every facet of your life.

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Speaker 3: You know, these are probably the same people that would

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Speaker 3: not assume or believe that I would also become an Olympian,

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Speaker 3: studies that are out now that are like, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not going to do a box.

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Speaker 1: I mean you knew that it was and healthy, and

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Speaker 1: years later you competed pregnant again. Twenty seventeen US Championships.

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Speaker 1: You were five months pregnant. And I'm wondering, when you

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Speaker 2: Do you view them.

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Speaker 1: Do you view them as a personal statement about what

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Speaker 3: I feel the first I felt that, you know, the

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Speaker 3: So when I after I had my daughter, you know,

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Speaker 3: we want to talk about your contract and your performance

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Speaker 3: And there is this the clauses within your contracts that

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Speaker 3: of that that protects your contract. So ultimately their upper

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Speaker 4: There's no congratulations, nothing like that, like.

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Speaker 4: So I you know that next year I did.

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Speaker 3: more thinking of it like protecting myself in my career

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Speaker 2: It was advocacy for self and others at the same.

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Speaker 3: You know, so I did all that in that first year,

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Speaker 3: they have to earn their happiness and they have to

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Speaker 3: you know, the question of like, well, what do you

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Speaker 3: and which is always a hilarious question to me. It's

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Speaker 3: want to keep doing my thing. But answered the question

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Speaker 1: When we come back more with Alicia Montagno stick around.

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Speaker 1: You inspire all sorts of change by stepping up and

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Speaker 3: on us soil to have these poliam moments not just

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00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 3: be for the athletes, but to be for society. And

443
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: with those white papers, we've got a few more that

444
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 3: are coming out we're really excited about. We have our

445
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 3: Fertility white paper that's coming out that helps inform our

446
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 3: expanded language for our model provisions, which is known as

447
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: our gold standard for contractual language, and it adds more

448
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 3: caveats in there that support the entire journey of what

449
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 3: it could look like in pursuing motherhood and protects those

450
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 3: athletes by adding in words that protect their fertility and

451
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: any treatment that might need to go along with it.

452
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: It also says things in their like pregnancy loss and

453
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: protects that athlete from a psychological safety and physical standpoint.

454
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: You know, we just recognize how important it is for

455
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: us to record those words. So we've had different NNGBS

456
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: players associations reach out to us to help craft these practices.

457
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Speaker 4: I'm very excited.

458
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: In June there's going to be an announcement of one

459
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: of our of our players associations that we have connected

460
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: with which ultimately had us work with the governing body.

461
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 4: So it's very exciting with that.

462
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: And then we've got over a dozen players associations and

463
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 3: MGBs who are we're crafting best practices with them, and

464
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 3: so I really see the snowball effect and I see

465
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 3: us reaching our goal by LA twenty twenty eight of

466
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: standardizing all of the sports amazing.

467
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Speaker 1: There's like some pretty severe examples when it comes to

468
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: like cost of being a mom and having a family

469
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: in certain sports like Bob's led. We had Alana Meyer's

470
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: tailor on and she's had to pay childcare costs out

471
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: of pocket. It's an expensive sport to begin with, but

472
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: then to pay to have her children travel and have

473
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: a nanny and all this other stuff. Do you intentionally

474
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: expand outside the sports you already work with or do

475
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: you wait for other sports to come to you.

476
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 3: We intentionally expand outside of the sports we work with.

477
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: But it's also naturally synergetic, you know, it ends up

478
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: being we're following, you know, the athletes who are mothers,

479
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: and we hear a power moment. I might write congratulations,

480
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: and they might write back to me, Alicia, thank you,

481
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: congratulations for helping create this you know, landscape for us,

482
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 3: and then the conversation gets started. So there's this very

483
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 3: natural connection that does end up happening. And I love

484
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 3: that you mentioned Alana Mayer Taylor. She's absolutely incredible. She's

485
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 3: just a force. You know, she's just a force. And

486
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: we also have supported her, we continue to support her

487
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: or she was one of our legacy champions and one

488
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: of our change makers. But what you mentioned about the

489
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 3: financial repercussions and needing more support and recognizing in order

490
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: for this sport to go, it does require an athlete

491
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: to be gone from their home for a month at

492
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 3: a time, and so that does mean, you know, if

493
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: I have a family with me, I need to be

494
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: able to bring them with me. And if there are

495
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: not you know, if they're not best practices in place

496
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: that support her family, that ultimately means that you're pushing

497
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: her out of either the sport or an opportunity to

498
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: pursue her motherhood. And so we have research that's coming

499
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: out now, actually we're launching it in the next couple

500
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: of weeks, called the Motherhood Penalty in Sports, and from

501
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: that we hope to have a white paper by June,

502
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: but it is essentially talking about the motherhood penalty and

503
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: matching that to the sports arena. And we face the

504
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 3: same struggles across the board of what the motherhod penalty is.

505
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: It's we get paid less.

506
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: Where you're not taken serious for our work, you know,

507
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 3: because of our motherhood, and considerations are not made on

508
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 3: how to both support our motherhood and also our careers,

509
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: and we oftentimes lose our rank the same way we

510
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 3: face in society across all industries.

511
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 4: In the motherhood penalty.

512
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Speaker 1: And in sports, it's like a literal rank. It's like, well,

513
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: you're coming back, so you're no longer number one in

514
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: the world. We make you work your way back up,

515
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: even though you're still the same person that you were.

516
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: For those who are unfamiliar to the motherhood penalty, they say,

517
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: on average, mothers make sixty three cents for every dollar

518
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: paid before they became mothers.

519
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: So it's a.

520
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: Phenomenon where your paid decreases as a result of becoming

521
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: a mother, regardless of whether there are any changes in

522
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: your work or your output, or your time or anything else.

523
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Speaker 1: I'm curious if you think there's anyone or any league

524
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: in particular getting it right, doing a great job.

525
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: You know, Unrivaled. The new leagues are just they're crushing it.

526
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: To me, it's like they understand, like, yeah, that's system

527
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 3: not working. We have to keep beating down their doors

528
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 3: in order to make it right. Here's what we're gonna do.

529
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: So I love what Unrivaleds doing.

530
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: I know.

531
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Speaker 3: The LPGA tour had like a traveling sort of childcare.

532
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: That's that's pretty awesome. We also had WTA, which is

533
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: the Women's Setness Association, who was already creating some language.

534
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: We've been connected with them as well. They're doing a

535
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: great job. I mean in WSL. You know, there's some

536
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: stuff to connect on that that's kind of coming out

537
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 3: part of the work that we're doing, and I'm excited

538
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: about with them.

539
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm glad that it's a long list.

540
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it can be tricky at times to

541
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: support women athletes and their family planning choices, but also

542
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: run a business that relies on the availability of those athletes.

543
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: So are there policies you recommend or are there places

544
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: you're seeing it in action where the mothers are served

545
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: and also teams are protected from the competitive and monetary

546
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: losses suffered when they lose an important player for a

547
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: season or part of a season to pregnancy.

548
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: You know what we want to see in businesses, these players, associations,

549
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: and these brands sort of grow with the sport. I

550
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: think athletes are commoditized enough that there to me, I

551
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: think there's always should be a conversation and room to

552
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: have the conversation on how we can do better.

553
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: To holistically support each other. But I do think the

554
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: answer isn't penalizing the athlete.

555
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: So you know, but there needs to be some sort

556
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: of catch for the league itself that allows for some

557
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: of them have policies that essentially say, like, the team

558
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: was put in a hardship because they had spent X

559
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: money on a player that is now not going to

560
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: play the whole season, So do they get a hardship

561
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: player that's allowed to come in that doesn't count against

562
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: the salary cap?

563
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: Things like that, Because you know.

564
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: Such a great point.

565
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: The more money that's being spent and invested into these

566
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: women's professional leagues in order to operate at the highest

567
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: level with the same legitimacy as men's professional leagues, it

568
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: can't just be a shrug. If millions of dollars are

569
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: spent on a team and their top player misses an

570
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: entire season and it drastically impacts their ability to compete.

571
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: That affects ticket sales, likelihood of playoff and championship bonuses,

572
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: merch all the other stuff. Right, So it's about both

573
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: prioritizing the woman and her choices and also protecting the

574
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: sport and the team because the investment won't be there

575
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: if there isn't a guarantee that there is that legitimacy

576
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: and professionalism.

577
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, exactly that, exactly that. And I know the

578
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: PWHL which is the Professional Women's Hockey League that just launched,

579
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: absolutely incredible, they are working through that sort of holistic

580
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: protection of the sport because you're right, it is you know,

581
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: we're talking about the business part of it and the

582
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: return on the investment. But if you protect the athlete

583
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: and you allow them this runway to get back into

584
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: the sport and be protected both from a finance perspective

585
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: at psychological and physical perspective, you ultimately are protecting that investment. Right,

586
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: and then you as a as a brand NDB Players

587
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: Association now figure out your landscape of yeah, what does

588
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: it look like when we have ex player out for

589
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: the next what are we going to have out for

590
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: like twelve, twelve to sixteen months.

591
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because losing the player altogether because your policies

592
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: don't allow for them to have.

593
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: Both is terrible for the sport.

594
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: It's crazy, and so as not having enough policies to

595
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: protect teams in leagues so that they feel comfortable being

596
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: supportive and offering up the best policies for women who

597
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: do make that choice. We're running out of time here,

598
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: but I had two quick questions I wanted to ask

599
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: you that are just a slightly slightly different. I know

600
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: that you expect to get your Olympic bronze medal.

601
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: More than a decade after the race finished.

602
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: I've missed out on some really big podium moments because

603
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: of dopers. A lot of your medals awarded retroactively, and

604
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: two of your World Championship medals, one from twenty eleven,

605
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: the other from twenty thirteen you were award in twenty

606
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: nineteen and then last April because of the original gold

607
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: medals being found guilty of doping. You're upgraded to an

608
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Olympic bronze from the eight hundred meter at the twenty

609
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: twelve Olympics. Can you talk about what you missed by

610
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: not getting those medals in the moment and getting those

611
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: honors on the podium.

612
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: Wow, Sarah, you're gonna tear jerk me at the end here. Nah,

613
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 4: we're good.

614
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: You know, man, a decade, twelve years, that's a long

615
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: time for you guys to uh no and not do

616
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: the right thing. So for me, you know, the loss

617
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: financial loss is huge, you know, been quantifying it for

618
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: my you know, for purposes of legal purposes. Really yeah,

619
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: and it's been absolutely wild. There's some that you see

620
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: and some that you can't see. I remember being in

621
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: about a handful of common versations after that twenty twelve

622
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: Olympic Games going into the next quad, asking about you know,

623
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: new partnerships and you know, my accolades, and they're like, oh,

624
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 3: you're not a medalist.

625
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, well.

626
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: We're really looking for medalists, and that's what they are,

627
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: that's what they are looking for. They're looking for medalists

628
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: and who's going to sponsor them and that makes their

629
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: highlight reel all the more powerful. And then also you know,

630
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: family planning. You know, it's it's huge in that it's again.

631
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 3: We talked about this earlier where it was like, well,

632
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: you know, women face this negative psychological barrier when it

633
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 3: comes to choosing to expand their families based on what

634
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: accolades they've achieved yet and how that's going to be perceived.

635
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: Have they earned an opportunity to be holistically happy and

636
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: if that includes motherhood are you allowed.

637
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: To do that? Now? Have you done enough?

638
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: And for me, I had to make that choice where

639
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: I said, I know, I know, I know.

640
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 4: That was twenty ten. I won.

641
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: I got that one in real time twenty eleven, twenty twelve,

642
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, I didn't get in real time, and I

643
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: had my daughter. I became pregnant with my daughter and

644
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: had her that next year. And I had this conversation

645
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: with my husband and I said, I know are medaled

646
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: in all of those.

647
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 4: I meddled in every last one of those.

648
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: So I mean, I think psychological loss is something that

649
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: you can't quantify and.

650
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Decision making around whether you had goals that you hadn't

651
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: hit yet, and you had indeed hit them, do you

652
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: anticipate some pretty serious emotion when you actually get handed

653
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: that Olympic medal coming up here because you've gotten world

654
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: championships at other ones, but this is the Olympic bronze.

655
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: This is the Olympic bronze.

656
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: And that's like, you know, the dream, right every athlete

657
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: that is fighting for an opportunity to compete at the

658
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: pinnacle of their sport at the Olympic Games.

659
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 4: You want to fight for a medal.

660
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: And at the time, my grandma just turned one hundred.

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Speaker 3: And I can't forecast emotions, but I imagine I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: recognize that strength can have all of those things, whether

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Speaker 1: Well, it extends the time you have to wait for it,

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Speaker 1: but I do think it's cool how they've started doing

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Speaker 1: it at Olympics, so that you feel like you're a

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Speaker 1: when you get recognized alongside all these other incredible athletes

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Speaker 1: does give it a little bit more oomph than just

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Speaker 4: So yes, please, Yeah, And it's get to be home,

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Speaker 4: you know, on my current.

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Speaker 2: Home soil, which is really cool.

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Speaker 3: I'm hopeful they'll honor some of the things I want,

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Speaker 3: which is lots of tickets for my family to be there.

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Speaker 3: I want mine in stadium.

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Speaker 4: You know, I want that moment for me.

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Speaker 1: So askers are getters, so hopefully then that works out.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the time, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for your continued work. We'll be interested in catching up

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Speaker 1: even years down the road and see how the policies

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Speaker 1: you've already done.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much to Alicia for joining us. We got

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Speaker 2: to take another break back into jiff Welcome back slices.

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Speaker 1: We love that you're listening, but we want you to

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what to wear, and seriously, I mean like

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